Hagel: McCain Resolution Is ‘Disingenuous’ And ‘Intellectually Dishonest’
Hagel: McCain Resolution Is ‘Disingenuous’ And ‘Intellectually Dishonest’
This morning on ABC’s This Week, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) blasted the Iraq war resolution introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), which calls for benchmarks, but says nothing about what will occur if the benchmarks aren’t met.
“I think if you want to go to a disingenuous resolution, this idea about putting benchmarks on the Iraqi government…and then having no consequences, now that’s intellectually dishonest,” he said. “So what are the consequences? Are we then going to pull out? If the benchmarks are not met by the Maliki government, are we then going to walk out? Are we then going to bring our troops home? Are we going to cut funding? Now, that falls more in the intellectually dishonest category.”
Watch it:
Asked about the resolution this morning on ABC’s This Week, McCain declared, “Well, the consequences are obvious.” But, he said, “I can’t tell you what the other options are, because there are no good options to this.”
Transcript:
There’s a difference. The other position that Senator Warner — and I think there are now 12 bipartisan members of the Senate on that resolution — that resolution states very clearly we disagree with adding more troops into Iraq. Very simply put, we disagree with escalating our military involvement in Iraq.
That is totally different, George, then saying let’s get out, let’s cut the funds. This notion that somehow we’re not supporting our troops, that’s not true. In fact, I think if you want to go to a disingenuous resolution, this idea about putting benchmarks on the Iraqi government…
STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator McCain’s idea.
HAGEL: Yes, and then having no consequences, now that’s intellectually dishonest. So what are the consequences? Are we then going to pull out? If the benchmarks are not met by the Maliki government, are we then going to walk out? Are we then going to bring our troops home? Are we going to cut funding? Now, that falls more in the intellectually dishonest category.
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Consequences have been ignored for six years. Why start now? And why the Iraqi government and not ours?
All I can say is *&^%$#@!
February 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pmYeh, what options do you have when you are caught killing people in order to steal their money (oil)? Kill them all and any witnesses as well. If you do that you could probably have enough balls to get elected to the Senate. Do you think just maybe? You could probably even qualify to be President. Do you think? Send in more troops until they are all dead. Send in atomic submarines and blast them out of their homes and beds. We need there to be no witnesses. Kill everone. We can win all we need is more killing and destruction. Cut back on health care buy more weapons. Who needs health care if we kill everone.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:16 pmNice to see Hagel acting like a reasonable Conservative.
Mc Cain should watch and learn…
February 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmHAGEL: Yes, and then having no consequences, now that’s intellectually dishonest. So what are the consequences?
Chuck;the consequences are we sack the puppet Maliki govt.,appoint someone else,and give ourselves justification to stay for atleast 3 more Friedman units until the new govt. ‘works things out’.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:21 pmThen repeat when necessary.
It is wonderful to see Republicans, such as Hagel, going after the idiots in their party. The time is long past for sanity to come back to that party.
John McCain is talking about the alternative resolution being intellectually dishonest and right away starts talking about how it is a vote against the troops and their job. Of course he doesn’t mention anything about it being a no cofidence in the administration.
What a hypocrite.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:26 pmOne set of benchmarks and consequences was set today. Bush got us into this mess and it up to him to get us out. If he has not solved the problem by January 2009 I will solve it for him. I will end this war in January 2009 if I am elected President. A paraphrase or near quote from Hillary. You can’t get any more definite than that.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:28 pmLet me ask you “cut and runners” a question?
Do you think out military is strong/good enough to win this war?
February 4th, 2007 at 1:38 pmHagel is making a lot of common sense. If McCain wants to put ‘benchmarks’…like what he is saying, then what does McCain say , if they don’t work. McCain will be looking for the advice of Lieberman on this one.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pm“A paraphrase or near quote from Hillary. You can’t get any more definite than that.”
I think Nixon said about the same thing in 1968.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmAsked about the resolution this morning on ABC’s This Week, McCain declared, “Well, the consequences are obvious.â€
If McCain’s resolution setting benchmarks has such obvious consequences, then they should be spelled out in his resolution. There are no consequences when the goal posts keep being moved back, which is exactly what the Bush administration has been doing. McCain’s resolution is just smoke and mirrors, and reflects his continuing support for Bush’s policies. He’s also calling for an even larger escalation (though I’ve yet to hear him or any of the Bush supporters calling it anything but a “surge), which he knows damn well we don’t have the forces for. McCain, in his run for President, thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#
Let me ask you “cut and runners†a question?
Do you think out military is strong/good enough to win this war?
Comment by michael — February 4, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
There is no military solution for the chaos in Iraq. Our troops, which have been doing an amazing job, cannot win this war because it can’t create jobs, it can’t improve the infrastrure, it can’t negotiate with other countries in the region, it can’t control the Maliki government which is closely aligned with the Shite militias and Iran as well.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:45 pmMahdi Army gains strength through unwitting aid of U.S.
…
Al-Sadr’s success in infiltrating Iraqi security forces says much about the continued inability of American commanders in Iraq to counter the classic insurgent tactic of using popular support to trump superior military firepower. Lacking attack helicopters and other sophisticated weapons, al-Sadr’s men have expanded their empire with borrowed trucks and free lunches for militiamen.
After U.S. units pounded al-Sadr’s men in August 2004, the cleric apparently decided that instead of facing American tanks, he’d use the Americans’ plans to build Iraqi security forces to rebuild his own militia.
So while Iraq’s other main Shiite militia, the Badr Brigade, concentrated in 2005 on packing Iraqi intelligence bureaus with high-level officers who could coordinate sectarian assassinations, al-Sadr went after the rank and file.
His recruits began flooding into the Iraqi army and police, receiving training, uniforms and equipment either directly from the U.S. military or from the American-backed Iraqi Defense Ministry.
The infiltration by al-Sadr’s men, coupled with his strength in Iraq’s parliament after U.S.-backed elections, gave him leeway to operate death squads throughout the capital, according to more than a week of interviews with American soldiers patrolling Baghdad. Some U.S.-trained units carried out sectarian killings themselves, while others, manning checkpoints, allowed militiamen to pass.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16600612.htm
February 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmAll major media news and political talk shows recently all about Iran…Bin Ladin has been forgotten by the media so is Afghanstan and first war, Saddam is also gone with his WMDS story. All talk now is about Ahmadinajad of Iran and IEDs .
Looks like another war is in the making…while Congress and Senate debating about what went wrong in Iraq war, the signs are showing another war is in the making with Iran. So the last elections in November will not mean anything to the administration..that is what Cheney said ” Congress cannot stop us from moving forward”..and forward means war with Iran.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“Our troops, which have been doing an amazing job, cannot win this war”
WRONG! Our troops can’t win this war because there are those of you who:
-accuse them of torture at Ahbu Graib
-accuse them of torture at Gitmo
-accuse them of flushing the koran down the toilet
-accuse them of terrorizing women and children at night
-accuse them of being in Iraq because they are dumb
-reveal our intelligence gathering methods
-reveal our secret prisons
-forge military records of our President
All of the above were done by liberal progressives. You can’t associate ANY of the above with Republicans! It’s bad enough that our troops have to worry about some insurgent shooting them in the back over there. Now they have to worry about liberal progressives stabbing them in the back at home. Your kind are traitors and should be dealt with accordingly!
February 4th, 2007 at 1:57 pm“Let me ask you “cut and runners†a question?
Do you think out military is strong/good enough to win this war?
Comment by michael”
Let me ask you a few questions Michael. Why are you giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Why do you want to have our brave soldiers die in Iraq when our enemy is in Afghanistan? Why is bush’s ego more important than the men and women in uniform? Why do you want to keep putting our troops in harms way without sufficient body armor? If you think the war in Iraq is so important, why aren’t you over there fighting?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHail Hagel! or Heil Hagel! Take your pcik.
The RepubliDem Presidential pick of Progressives for 2008.
What a bunch of losers you non-patriots are.
And you better leave my hero Kristol alone too and stop telling jokes about him or else.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmaccuse them of torture at Ahbu Graib
not an accusation a fact
-accuse them of torture at Gitmo
not an accusation a fact
-accuse them of flushing the koran down the toilet
not an accusation a fact
-accuse them of terrorizing women and children at night
not an accusation a fact
-accuse them of being in Iraq because they are dumb
Nice…one comment taken out of context made by one person. You repugnuts are good at that.
-reveal our intelligence gathering methods
The US does not need to violate the constitution to gather intelligence. Just this admin. Why won’t they reveal the plan to congress? Because they are spying on people they should not be spying on.
-reveal our secret prisons
We shouldn’t have secret prisons.
-forge military records of our President
They did not need to be forged. He is a deserter who is sending other peoples children to die when he would not “fight for his country!”
Why do you always come to this site spewing nonsense and venom? You have nothing to offer. No intelligent debate, no facts to back up your accusations. Just more noecon talking points.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pmJules,
You are blatantly and openly gay, give it a rest huh?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:19 pmUs Christians cannot hear you.
And we refuse to.
Let me ask you “cut and runners†a question?
Do you think out military is strong/good enough to win this war?
Comment by michael — February 4, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Even though the troops should not have forced to fight this illegal and immoral war concocted by a group of Neocons, they did remove a dictator and his government and destroyed his feeble military. What you people are now asking them to do is occupy a country that does not want to be occupied.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pmre post 14
You’re obviously a dead-ender republican, or barney…and no amount of logic or reason will sink past the talking points that infect your brain. However, either there was torture at Abu Grabib, or Linsdey England would not be in prison right now. (maybe naked man piles is erotica to you) there is torture in Gitmo, by bush’s own account. He has admitted to waterboarding and that meets the standard of torture according to the Geneva Conventions. (It doesn’t matter if he changes the definition of how he defines torture.) Explain how the troops are stopped because someone ran a story about the Koran in the toilet. Explain how women and children are not terrified by armed men breaking into their homes in the middle of the night and taking away their fathers and older brothers? Are you claiming that the troops have only arrested guilty men? That no innocent men were ever taken into custody? If that’s your point, why would the military have said that over 85% of those held in Abu Grabib were not guilty of anything?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:21 pmname one liberal progressive who has said the troops are dumb? For that matter define liberal progressive. As far as our intelligence gathering methods being revealed, bush has blown at least two major operations (one in England and one in Pakistan) by making premature announcements for publicity. What kind of country do you want to live in? Why should the greatest, freeist country in the world need “secret” prisons? Fascist countries have secret prisons dude! And finally, we get to the issue of forging military records for bush. It’s a shame he and cheney can’t produce any military records for themselves, but that’s becuase one is a draft dodger and the other is still AWOL.
Comment by crystaltips and alistair — February 4, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Wow…as opposed to being a closeted gay like the majority of you right wingnuts!!!
February 4th, 2007 at 2:24 pmSorry for the big Off Topic but this is for WaltTheMan:
What are you after anyway? Gutenberg is one of the most foremost of German inventors. I remember when Pops hauled me to von Neumann’s house and I saw those carved letters and sizing trays.
Comment by WaltTheMan
He is a romantic character (died in poverty, etc) and somehow I can regard him as an engineer. I am writing an essay about engineers and their society. Gutenberg is one of the most forgotten engineers in history in comparison with Neil Armstrong, Prandtl, Da Vinci or even Alfred Hitchcock. Thats why I asked.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:24 pmIm considering also Watt, Carnot and even Sergei Korolev. Furthermore, I am writing about how Sputnik changed the engineering education in the US. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Do you think out military is strong/good enough to win this war?
Comment by michael
Define win, michael. Perhaps the army can use you to really win this occupation.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pmDo you think out military is strong/good enough to win this war?
Comment by michael — February 4, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
How old are you?
It’s a valid question so that I can understand if you are simply too young to have enough life experiences to understand that what you are asking is devoid of reality - or if you are a mature person who thinks in absolutes so strongly that reality is excused when uncomfortable.
Knowing this will better help me give you the appropriate response…
February 4th, 2007 at 2:31 pm“Michael” you lying little prick, your still here? How’s it feel to be one of the dumbest 15% of the Country?
Who made these accusations?
-accuse them of torture at Ahbu Graib
-accuse them of torture at Gitmo
-accuse them of flushing the koran down the toilet
-accuse them of terrorizing women and children at night.
Who made these accusations MICHAEL?
(All I listed have proven to be true.)
I’ll tell you who FREAK.
Our own Military personelle, Our interrigators, Our MP’s. Our Prison Guards, The Red Cross and any other decent American that witnessed this behavior, that’s who.
You don’t care because your not a decent person and because your a liar michael. The truth disagrees with one of your favorite lies. That George Bush can never do wrong and everything that goes wrong is sombody elses fault. What leadershit.
There are videotapes and pictures but that would never change your mind because you want the lies to be true like a babies blankie michael you can’t let go.
So, Keep sucking your thumb and making your cooing noises, I know you’ll keep lying until ther’s nothing left to lie about.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:36 pmWhy do you always come to this site spewing nonsense and venom?
You have nothing to offer.
Comment by Jules — February 4, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
I think you answered your own question : )
February 4th, 2007 at 2:36 pmHagel is correct. John McCain cannot believe that a 20+K “surge” will work any more than does any one else. Maybe an 400 K surge would work (for the time they are there, if we could find that many troops), but there is still a big issue with: whom to shoot at today, tomorrow, and the next day. Different group each day/week/month?
The problem is that there is not one enemy, there is not one ally. The Iraqi govt is not politically of one face. There is not a good picture of what government or governments may result here because of political/economic/factional unrest.
Sure if the Iraqi govt meets the milestones, and more importantly, becomes economically viable, there is a chance that the govt will survive. However, even if stability comes, where are the jobs to keep all facets occupied? Where is the money to rebuild the oil infrastructure (destroyed via sanction before this war was even started)?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:44 pm#9 Arnold
Nixon didn’t even know Bush in 1968. And even if he did, Nixon was a Repuglican and Repuglicans NEVER tell the truth.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:45 pmcrystaltips and alistair.
Squeeze them shut.
C’mon now, really squeeze your eyes shut. Push your hands together hard, no, harder. There, now Jesus can hear your prayers. Maybe put up a hand every once in a while, yeah. Throw in an allejuia.
Now tell JESUS CHRIST that you support torture, and genocide. Tell him that you would persecute every gay man and woman he created to the ends of the earth. Tell jesus you don’t think they should be allowed to live. Are you racists too. Yeah, I’m sure you have a huge hard-on for a 10,000 mile fence as well.
Your can call yourselves Christians all you want but your as far from Jesus’s teachings as you can get.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:49 pmComment #14 seems to indicate that we are losing the war in Iraq simply because the truth came out, not because of any mistakes made by the military or civilian leadership. It doesn’t matter that our government by its own admission tortures people, maintains secret prisons, or spies on its own citizens. No, that isn’t the problem at all. It only is a problem that liberals accuse the leadership of doing these things.
I would suggest that michael pull his head out of his a*s, but obviously that isn’t going to be possible for this koolaid drunk idiot.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:49 pmGreat posts, mparker. I think you really captured the essence of michael with post #25. Keep telling these trolls the truth about themselves.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:53 pmOur troops can’t possibly win a victory at this point because michael is not there with them. Without him at their side, they cannot hope to bring this war to a successful conclusion. They need him desparately, but michael prefers instead to stay and hang out with the terrorist sympathizers here at thinkprogress. Why michael, oh why do you hate the troops so much?
February 4th, 2007 at 2:54 pmMichael’s repeated reliance on the cut’n'run characterization is a good sign that this fool is beyond hope. Even Karl Rove’s jackbooted propagandists dropped this phrase months ago, long after having milked it dry. Maybe the droolers watching Fox News still respond to it, but trying to sell this talking point at TP is like trying to sell pork at a kosher market.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:09 pmYou remind me of Cindy Shehhan with your imbicilic rantings.
Comment by mparker? you suck muslim dick! —
Oh, you are a brave guy. Mocking a grieving mother and hiding behind a poster name.
You had a mother at any point of your life, would you like others mockering her becuz you die? Great dude, you must be.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:26 pmAwwwww you don’t like my ranting.
You like michaels lying better.
Ohhhh, I’m like Cindy Sheehan.
Firstl, I would not in any way take that as an insult but frankly would not consider myself worthy to be compared to her. She has said more and done more and has lost more then I have will ever do and she is still fighting strong.
Is that YOUR answer michael? Is that why torture is ok to lie about. What a comeback.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:28 pmComment by mparker? you suck muslim dick! — February 4, 2007 @
Translation: Comment by michael.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:29 pmThe Only Thing That Needs To Be Said
By: Nicole Belle on Sunday, February 4th, 2007 at 12:45 PM - PST
Of course, this is going to buried in the back of the newspapers and all the pundits will conveniently forget it in their discussion of whether we’re justified in aggression against Iran. In fact, I’m willing to bet that Timmeh will have Dick Cheney on in the next few weeks and the Big Dick will talk about how it’s “pretty well confirmed” that Iran is funding the terrorists in Iraq and not one syllable will be uttered about this report.
LA Times: (h/t SPK)
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 02/ 04/ the-only-thing-that-needs-to-be-said/
February 4th, 2007 at 4:03 pm.
Chuck Hagel should trade party places with Joe Lieberman. Some politicians, like Joe, understand the ramifications of not answering an enemy who has declared war on you and others don’t. Has anyone proposed Chuck for the board of the Smedley Butler Contrition Club? (The club specializes “rear view mirror” thinking.) What a fine addition to the clubs’ roles!
February 4th, 2007 at 4:08 pm“not an accusation a fact”
Those photos showed NO torture. The only torture that occured was in your wild liberal imagination!
“Because they are spying on people they should not be spying on.”
WHO?
“We shouldn’t have secret prisons”
I didn’t realize you had such a brilliant military mind? We are at war with people who want to slit our throats! Leave the tactics to the people who have been training most of their lives for not weasley amateurs like you!
“They did not need to be forged”
The fact is they were forged by the cowardly left!
“He is a deserter”
He completed his obligation just like the rest of us, did you?
February 4th, 2007 at 4:14 pmmichael, I hate to break it to you but as long as you follow this neocon agenda, then it is you who is a traitor to your country.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:21 pmSee? The impulsive vomit spewed from Michael’s feeble brain keeps pouring forth, free of logic and undeterred by any facts that get in the way.
This freak can’t be helped.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:22 pmMichael, you are paranoid and living in a fantasy world.
Soldiers in Iraq are against the surge.
Are they liberals? Are they cut and runners?
Here’s the news:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/16616389.htm
Try reading some reality for a change and step out of your delusional system. You think there was no torture at Abu Ghraib? Why did so many Congressman, Democratic and Republican, who had access to films and photos nobody else ahs seen, say what they saw was horrendous and would damage America’s reputation?
You’ll have an answer to that, no doubt, and it will be 50% nonsense and 50% rage. What is it about the truth that makes you so angry?
February 4th, 2007 at 4:22 pmKeep the lie going michael. keep it going until there are none left. You can be the last fool left, michael.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:24 pmI suppose that loser-freak Michael doesn’t believe it is torture to kill someone by torturing them, just so long as it doesn’t appear in a photograph that he arbitrarily defines as not showing torture.
Freak, multiple homicides were committed by interrogators in Abu Ghraib, according to reports by U.S. military investigators. How do you explain that?
February 4th, 2007 at 4:27 pmDear Michaal
do you ever deal in facts you inbred imbecile? Before you question my military experience, why don’t you come clean on your own? If your postings here is any indication you haven’t gotten past the cub scouts.
But since you want to talk tactics, explain how going into Iraq is going to catch Bin laden? He is the only person who is laughing at you harder than me.
Another thing why aren’t you over in Iraq defending us against those evil terrrists? Is it because you’re a coward?
February 4th, 2007 at 4:31 pmVerbalKint
He explains it by using circluar logic. We do it it’s not torture, they do it it is. If you speak out against it, you’re a gay unpatriotic commie, you pretend it didn’t happen you’re a real american. That’s why draft dodgers like cheney, rush, newtie, and orielly are patriots, why bush can be awol and still be strong tuff guys, while guys like kerry and gore, who both actually served in vietnam are cowards. Keep in mind that tim mcvie voted republican the last time he voted.
the great thing about circular logic is that when your head starts spinning it makes it easier to get it up your a$$.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pmComment by Bob
Did you sack the “hacker?”
February 4th, 2007 at 4:53 pmYayyy, for Hagel. Booo, for McCain. McCain would be embarrassed, if he wasn’t such a putz. He reminds me of a really bad spy movie, where the agent is told ONLY what he NEEDS to know. In McCain’s case, he doesn’t need to know much and as for any enduring personal qualities, there are none. He’s a big white blank and a pasty-faced zero. When he opens his mouth, a dark cavern appears. I expect bats to come flying out.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pmHere is a link of pictures of the torture that didn’t occur in michaels world.
http://www.chris-floyd.com/abu/
Who is being spied on illegally?
US Citizens in in every case where the FISA court has not approved it. Literally, all of us, and this began before 911.
About secret prisons.
They are illegal. That’s why Bush made them a secret. If they were legal they would not have needed the secrecy. A prison, secret or not is NOT a tactic genius.
Bush is not a deserter? HA HA HA HA.
No document has been shown to be forged and if they were forged it dosen’t change the fact that Bush’s commander and his secretary both agreed publicly that those documents reflected what actually occured. He also didn’t take his required physical.
When Bush had the chance to be the dreamy hero of your fantasies,
BUSH CUT AND RAN LIKE THE COWARD HE IS.
I wonder what happened in michaels world.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm#7 - michael,
February 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pmAt current levels of casualties and refuges, Iraq will run out of Iraqis in about 53 years. The US casualties rate is immaterial as they will be replaced. The real fear that our military is at risk of running out of weapons and ammo as well as personal armor. The administration has seen to it that that is already happening. Cheap bastards.
Bob, yes, what little logic they employ is circular, but Bush worshippers like Michael rarely get that close to logic. Most of their spew is a frightening jumble of ignorant fear, racist hatred, blind nationalism, and, above all else, raging hypocrisy.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:08 pmNow I can be sorry for being off topic and this is for Juan C:
I only have personal experience of the Sputnik revolution. My father was in aerospace and I was selected as an accellerated science subject when during the 11th year of my schooling (Sputnik was launched during that year.). Armstrong (the inventer of FM radio also suffered a struggle. He jumped off of his front porch roof after years of harrassment from RCA, fatal result.). trueblue has my email address as well as yours, I think, perhaps she can provide us a link outside of this forum. She has the capability of asking each of us in a concealed linkup.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:14 pmmichael (aka chickenhawk):
Mother - army air corp
2 uncles - army - 1 during the Korean war, 1 during vietnam
Me- 6 years AF
Sister - 8 years AF
Brother - 4 years AF
Husband - 4 years Navy
Brother-in-law - 8 years Navy
Other Brother-in-law - 4 years Navy
Your turn!!
February 4th, 2007 at 5:24 pm#54 - Jules,
February 4th, 2007 at 5:29 pmTwo branches, three matchups, how did y’all do that?
A chastened President Bush ventured into enemy territory on Saturday to address the annual gathering of House Democrats. Obliterated in the November elections and facing both abysmal poll numbers and open rebellion over Iraq within his own party, the formerly fierce Bush with tail between his legs feigned a spirit of bipartisan cooperation:
“I welcome debate at a time of war and I hope you know that. Nor do I consider a belief that if you don’t happen to agree with me, you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do. You can get that thought out of your mind if that’s what some believe.”
As it turns out, that is exactly what President Bush, his Republican Party and its amen corner appear to believe.
For the details, see:
February 4th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“Two-Faced Bush Appeases ‘Defeatocrats’”
Two branches, three matchups, how did y’all do that?
Comment by WaltTheMan — February 4, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
The Brother’s-in-law are my husbands brothers. I actually did forget one though. My sisters husband spent 6 years AF.
My families military history goes back even further than this. I actually have an ancestor that fought in the revolutionary war. On the “American” side, of course. God help them, I could belong to the Daughters of the American Revolution!
My family has always been proud to be American, even if we were not always proud of its leaders!!!
February 4th, 2007 at 5:34 pm#57 - Jules,
February 4th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI had two ancestors (one died from wounds) who served in the Revolution, but somehow that does not qualify me for the DAR. Somehow SAR does not appeal to me - especially when the fatal ‘S’ is added.
What position does Hagel support? What’s his well-defined plan? If there is one, I haven’t seen it. At least we have Obama and some other Dems proposing plans. Actual plans. What’s Hagel’s plan?
February 4th, 2007 at 5:52 pmre 58
Whatever dude. do you have a point or are you just a complete knucklehead?
February 4th, 2007 at 5:57 pmWhatever dude. do you have a point or are you just a complete knucklehead?
Comment by Bob — February 4, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Just some troll highjacking Barfly’s name!!
February 4th, 2007 at 6:01 pmJust some troll highjacking Barfly’s name!!
Comment by Jules — February 4, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
It is happening on every thread.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:04 pmJules,
Thanks, I’m new here. Whoever it is is the reason we need laws against child porn. He’s probably some parishioner of the Rev. Ted Haggert.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:09 pmJuan,
February 4th, 2007 at 6:11 pmHere’s a link to Armstrong (not Neil). It is a real tragety!
Comment by Bob — February 4, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Welcome. I really wish there were something TP could do about the highjacking, but it seems to happen quite often lately. I am pretty sure it is one individual.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmBob,
The freak posting under Barfly’s identity is a regular here (unfortunately). It goes by many names, but regulars here seem have chosen “rachel” to identify it during discussion. It posts many ridiculous things, but it seems to have a particular fascination with male-on-male pedophilia and rape. The fact that it sometimes sounds like a devout evangelical Republican might be a coincidence, but maybe not.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWalt, just came back. Thanks a lot.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI will write true. If you dont mind, I wouldnt find wrong at all a Halley-Newton relationship. :)
Comment by Barfly
[SQUEEK! SQUEEK!]
Rachael! Come here girl! You’ve got poop on your foot, and you’re leaving tracks all over the place! Sit! Rachael! Sit! I’ve got your favorite chew toy . . .
[SQUEEK! SQUEEK!]
Sorry folks, she’s slipped out of the bathroom again . . .
February 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pmAnd thanks for spreading the word, Verbalkint.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:27 pm#68 - Juan C,
February 4th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI’ll write true as well. Cheers!
And thanks for spreading the word, Verbalkint.
Comment by Barfly — February 4, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Watch out, folks! Don’t step in the poop! ;-)
February 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#68 - Me to Juan C,
February 4th, 2007 at 6:41 pmDone on #71.
Chuck Hagel is behaving and speaking out like a TRUE AMERICAN–it is a shame he belongs to the repugnant-repubs(aka republican)party,
February 4th, 2007 at 6:57 pmas he sure is not acting like or talking like a repugnant-repub! Bravo
to Chuck Hagel, and I am glad he told off that flip-flopping yellow-bellied, craven-insane opportunist John McCain…”straight-talk express” indeed! “Double-talk repugnant-repub psychobabble” like
the vomit-shit that comes out of Tony Snow’s maw is more like it for
McCain’s idiocy–Chuck Hagel is a refreshing and lightning-strike against
the repugnant-repubs’ lies and demogogy–the only benchmarks that McCain and Bush know about are the skid-/hash- marks from their male tricks that they slept with! Chuck Hagel is a TRUE AMERICAN!!!!!
Barfly,
When can I tongue your browneye?
Ooops! wrong blog.
TP PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS GO THRU
too la
February 4th, 2007 at 7:04 pmI am glad to see that Mr Hagel is not kow towing. I hope that he continues to do so.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:06 pmComment by VerbalKunt
Rachel wants to lick your eyeball?
Man that is one weird dude/chick.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:10 pmChuck Hagel is behaving and speaking out like a TRUE AMERICAN–it is a shame he belongs to the repugnant-repubs(aka republican)party, -Ray
I also like what Ron Paul has to say.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:14 pmhttp://www.house.gov/ paul/ congrec/ congrec2007/ cr011807.htm
HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
Before the U.S. House of Representatives
January 18, 2007
Everybody Supports the Troops
Mr. Speaker, I have never met anyone who did not support our troops. Sometimes, however, we hear accusations that someone or some group does not support the men and women serving in our armed forces. This is pure demagoguery, and it’s intellectually dishonest. The accusers play on emotions to gain support for controversial policies, implying that those who disagree are unpatriotic. But keeping our troops out of harm’s way, especially when war is unnecessary, is never unpatriotic. There’s no better way to support the troops.
I am glad to see that Mr Hagel is not kow towing. I hope that he continues to do so.
Comment by Jet Mech
That’s my main concern — will he follow through?
February 4th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThat’s my main concern — will he follow through?
Comment by Zooey — February 4, 2007
Well I can only hope. I think the politicians have begun to realize that with the internet and ‘the google’ people are wising up. Looking to the future we may yet have a centrist (or Independent for lack of better word) government.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:20 pmDid yah git enny sleep Zoo?
February 4th, 2007 at 7:23 pmDid yah git enny sleep Zoo?
Comment by Jet Mech
I did, thanks Jet Mech. The 102 fever finally broke around noon. It’s amazing how quickly I started to feel human again. :)
PS - I knew you weren’t my ex. You’re too nice to be him. Heh.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:27 pmAre we the only three not glued to the television?
February 4th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI did, thanks Jet Mech. The 102 fever finally broke around noon. It’s amazing how quickly I started to feel human again. :)
Good.
PS - I knew you weren’t my ex. You’re too nice to be him. Heh.
O us apes have our bads days as well, you know throwing the samsonite luggage around the cage n all.
Oooo Oooo!!
February 4th, 2007 at 7:33 pmAre we the only three not glued to the television?
Comment by Jules
I was watching the game for a bit. Funny Commericials =)
February 4th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWhat’s on TV?
February 4th, 2007 at 7:36 pmsuper-bowl walt
February 4th, 2007 at 7:38 pmda colts were winning
Sen. Hagel is positioning himself to take down Sen. McCain, so he can get the GOP nomination for president in 2008. Hagel being a Vietnam vet can castrate McCain politically. I hope Hagel does destroy McCain before 2008.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:50 pmThe superbowl is today? Huh. *yawn*
February 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pmSen. Hagel is positioning himself to take down Sen. McCain, so he can get the GOP nomination for president in 2008.
There sure are alot of senators going for nominations. The trend of late has been for Governors to become president (Clinton, Bush) One Republican Mayor, thats being overlooked is Roy Blunts son, But I have heard nothing about his, Or Jeb Bush running. Gulianni has expressed interest however,
February 4th, 2007 at 8:01 pm#91 - Jesus christ, rachel/Joannie, will you give it a rest?
February 4th, 2007 at 8:07 pmRachel/Joanie I guess maybe from TV you think people here are gay or pedophiles. I am not gay and I am not a pedophile and I have a 20 year old daughter and I do not live in Canada.
Now, I suppose your a conservative christian, I am a christian, but did you know that 40% of Christian are addicted to pornography in this country? And that many of those films have lesbian sex scenes?
no one should ever have sex with a minor, male or female ok? So no matter what you may THINK about people here, you are quite wrong in your assumptions.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:17 pmJet Mech , Zooey -
February 4th, 2007 at 10:34 pmI know that the SB is on, but it is just a game at this point in history. The adverts are the thing now, but if you program the TiVo correctly, you can cancel everything else between them.
Juan C,
February 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pmI am off to the sack, will look in Email and ‘Think Fast’ tommorow.
Hagel: “McCain Resolution Is ‘Disingenuous’ And ‘Intellectually Dishonest”
…just like the rest of the administration.
February 5th, 2007 at 4:17 amThe views of the local people should also be taken under consideration and incorporated in the govt. to ensure non-escalation of civil wa like situation.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
February 5th, 2007 at 5:10 amMe too. Ron Paul seems to be the ONLY one in the entire House who GETS IT.
He’s running for president. I plan to vote for him. He’s not really a Republican, more like a Libertarian that just happened to be in the Republican Party back when it wasn’t a complete freakshow.
If he makes it past the primary, I’d be surprised, but this is the ONE MAN running for president that would actually change things. Not even Obama would make the changes this man would make.
Progressives, Look into this man. Read his floor speeches. You will see, he sees the real underlying problems with this country and aims to resolve them. Don’t dismiss him because he has an R behind his name. He’s the real deal, folks.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:17 amMichael…If I forge your driver’s license, does that mean you don’t have one?
Karl Rove forged that and made sure that the Dridge Report and other ‘independent” blogs had the info.
And when it comes to “cut and run”…Reagan cut and ran from Lebanon. Nixon cut and ran from VietNam. Eisenhower was prepared to cut and run from Korea. Bush #1 cit and ran from Iraq in the first place.
And the only reason Clinton left Somalia is because Senators like John McCain said that Congrtess had the right and responsibility to end a military engagement it disagreed with.
but those are facts, and we know that you folks don’t accept facts.
February 5th, 2007 at 5:21 pm