McCain Flip-Flops In 47 Seconds: Claims Success Is Not Realistic In ‘A Few Months,’ Then Says It Is
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McCain Flip-Flops In 47 Seconds: Claims Success Is Not Realistic In ‘A Few Months,’ Then Says It Is
On ABC’s This Week, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said it is unrealistic to expect the escalation strategy to change the situation in Iraq in “a few months”:
MCCAIN: Took us a long time to get in the situation we’re in, and to say that — and somehow assume that in a few months, that things are going to get all better I think is not realistic.
Just 47 seconds later, McCain said we’ll know whether the escalation strategy is working “in a few months”:
STEPHANOPOULOS: You say it’s all in. How long are you going to give it to work?
MCCAIN: I think in the case of the Iraqi government cooperating and doing what’s necessary, we can know fairly well in a few months.
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Someone call the guiness book of world records!!
February 4th, 2007 at 12:03 pmAnd this is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for President.
No he isn’t.
Yes he is.
No, yes, maybe….what do the polls say. Yes…no, wait… let’s do another poll….
February 4th, 2007 at 12:05 pmSomething is seriously wrong with McCain — healthwise.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:06 pmhmmm, sounds like the ’straight talk express’ has jumped the tracks
February 4th, 2007 at 12:06 pmBLAH BLAH BLAH…
February 4th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWhat a putz, he’s so busy positioning he doesn’t even know what he thinks.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:09 pmSomething is seriously wrong with McCain — healthwise.
Comment by Zooey — February 4, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
This, after the last thread today, and I think you’re right.
I don’t remember much of Reagan, but from what people have described, it sounds similar… The inability to remember things.
Or, being a neocon, he can’t remain consistent when he is simply parroting the Bush Regime’s policies without iunderstanding them.
Either way, one of his friends should politely point it out to him…
February 4th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMCCAIN: Took us a long time to get in the situation we’re in…
well, no, actually it didn’t… pretty much from the beginning, when the looting started, this “situation” began…
February 4th, 2007 at 12:11 pmand they were warned… and the warnings were disregarded…
…
http://www.alz.org/
10 warning signs of Alzheimer’s:
1. Memory loss.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:14 pm2. Difficulty performing familiar tasks.
3. Problems with language.
4. Disorientation to time and place.
5. Poor or decreased judgment.
6. Problems with abstract thinking.
7. Misplacing things.
8. Changes in mood or behavior.
9. Changes in personality.
10. Loss of initiative.
and all this moron does is work his ticket for the job of king. he really thinks he is going to be the successor to the criminal empire that dick has set up?
February 4th, 2007 at 12:19 pma perpetual candidate. synonym; psychotic, sociopath, etc…
one of these interviews and he is going to pop
This is what happens to someone who tries to talk out of both sides of his mouth!
February 4th, 2007 at 12:22 pmI don’t think McCain will be the frontrunner in 08. Apart from health and age problems, he has decided to tie himself to the Bush war plan ( if you can call it a plan) in order to win over the republican base. This base is set to split wide open over this war and other cultural issues. McCain will go down with it. Look for Gingrich to take over his supporters thru clever media manipulation (aka lies).
February 4th, 2007 at 12:22 pm“At least in Vietnam Bush Had an exit strategy”
February 4th, 2007 at 12:23 pm—Bumper Sticker
WHAT? I don’t see ANY flip flop!
He said to ASSUME things will get better in a few months is unrealistic. (Which doesn’t really make sense in itself, because why is the act of assuming unrealistic? People do it all the time - it’s quite real).
Then he was saying we could know fairly well IF things got better in the case of the Iraqi government.
In short, he said to ASSUME is unrealistic, but in a few months we won’t have to assume because we’ll know after seeing what happens.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:24 pmSen.. McCain is a sick man. No one seems to want to bring up the fact that he is fighting cancer and from his appearances he seems to be losing. I also think, after reading this, his cancer has mestastized to his brain. This publicizing of McCain as a presidential forerunner should be stopped. This speculation that should Cheney resign, or have a fatal heart attack from the stress of his office (and that of presidunce Bush) be revealed as the petty, vengeful office it is, run by a man with no conscience and no thought as to the reputation of his country, with only one thought–his money and the accumulation of more and more–to leave perhaps to his wife, the porno writer and one of his daughters who is carrying the child of an unknown and secret father.
This advertising of McCain is bizarre–but then, so is everythiing else put out by the Bush administration. Bush acted the clown again, in front of the Democrats at their retreat–and they all clapped and hee hawed and slapped their thighs, showing that their boss is once again, the little spoiled frat boy from Kennebunkport, Yale and Harvard, who has been the cause of hundreds of thousands of deaths–innocent deaths–and we applaud this fool for acting foolish? It’s his stand up–he has nothing to pressent but clowing. Did he once again look under the desk for the terrorists?
February 4th, 2007 at 12:26 pmIt’s not McCain we have to watch, it’s Mr. Gulliani. Capt. Ed is trying to make Rudi out to be the take him or leave him choice among conservatives. Joe Liberman has a better chance of becoming the GOP’s nominee than Sen. McCain right now. Read, if you can stomach it, David Limbaugh’s latest drivel about the notion of an anti war left. They have been trying to revive the alternative point supposing that Sen. Kerry was President right now. This is how desperate the Right has become jus tlike that little monkey trying to shove that cork back in the elephant’s ass. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ news/ article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54066
February 4th, 2007 at 12:27 pmI figured it out…..
The new strategy of the disingenuous politicians is this:
Say everything….cover all bases….so that each group hears what it wants to hear. Flip Flop no longer applies since the society has been dumbed down and become numb and confused. See, there is so much corruption and so much information out there at any given time that the game has changed. In this new age, just say it all. People can show a YouTube of the snip that they agree with and enough people will buy into it, ignoring the other statements or opposing Youtube clip, because that is what they want to do. People believe what they choose to believe. The thugs ( McCain,Bush,Rove, Cheny etc etc ) KNOW THIS WELL.
Nutshell?: Truth is an endangered “species” Al Gore’s new book called The Assault On Reason, I hope, will do a good job of pointing out our collective confusion on all this. 15 years ago, people assumed that there was truth and that is was a good thing to adhere to. No longer.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:43 pmHe said to ASSUME things will get better in a few months is unrealistic. (Which doesn’t really make sense in itself, because why is the act of assuming unrealistic? People do it all the time - it’s quite real).
Didn’t war supporters assume we would be greeted as liberators?
Yes, people do it all the time; accept FALSE assumptions, based on pie-in-the-sky assertions, that is. Makes perfect sense to me.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:46 pmIt is ironic that the Conservatives big criticism of the progressives is “Moral Relativism”. One can pursue the Truth without claiming to know the Truth. I think the internet has changed things dramatically. It is much harder to get away with the Big Lie, with millions of blog readers having access to google. Even if Al Gore didn’t invent it.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmPlease, someone, somewhere who can manage McCain, look him up in a padded room before he injures himself, or even worse, this nation. Frankly, having seen it happen in my dearest elderly aunt, I think McCain is starting to show signs of senile dementia. I don’t mean this as an insult, I state it with all due concern for his welfare. And America’s.
February 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmall aboard the ‘zero dignity express’!
February 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmBadger: It cuts both ways. Yes, the truth is out there but the sheer volume of information, including disinformation and contradiction is confusing. That is my point. Politicians now use confusion as a tool. If McCain etc. can say “everything” and cover his bases, he is still going to have a large group of people that will attach to what they want to hear.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis is the portion of human nature that the right wing has seen and decided to cash in on. i.e. , again, Our desire to see things as we wish to see them. So, confusion, conflicting statements is seen as a strategy now by the scumbags….I believe. Cause it’s harder to pin down. Well, they CAN BE PINNED DOWN, but we are in the age of “truthiness” or the “Assault on Reason” and for reasons I stated above, it’s much harder to do so.
I despise John McCain and believe he has done some major flip-flopping but you are taking his two quotes out of context. The first statement is in context of the war, the second statement is in context of the Iraqi government’s cooperation.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:18 pmTrue…disinformation and contradiction are confusing. But is easier to see a lie, than to know the truth. Those who are convinced of their Righteousness will always see things their way….but with a major disaster like the War in Iraq, most people are open to information. Fortunately, it is also easier to Recognize a Good Idea, than it is to Have a Good Idea. The media has a major problem with “Not following Through” with a story. Obvious Lies go uncorrected (Except on NPR). On Issues that matter, like the lives of our troops, “truthiness” doesn’t cut it for voters.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:24 pmWeathervane McCain… at it again.
John McCain is another example of needing “age limits” in Congress.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:30 pmMc Cain has lost it.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:37 pmSenator McCain nuanced distinction between the quixotic assumption that a troop escalation would improve the situation in Iraq and the ability to judge in a few months whether or not said escalation was effectual is not a “flip-flop.” What you are probably alluding to is the disparity between McCain’s fervent push to deploy more troops and his ostensible newfound lack of confidence in such a maneuver.
Stop splitting and spinning the man’s words; just make the case that few experts believe that an escalation is beneficial.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:40 pmHow can Anything in the Middle East be judged in a few months. Look at Afghanistan!
February 4th, 2007 at 1:44 pmRick James: “See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody’s couch like it’s something to do? Come on. I got a little more sense then that.
[pause] Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie’s couch.”
Seriously, I doubt this is a senior moment. I think Dishonest John is just trying to pull the wool over our eyes. He’s so used to getting away with anything in the media. It’s also unclear, from the clip, what he means by “we’ll know in a few months”. I daresay it has more to do with putting responsibility on the creaky, dysfunctional Iraqi government than anything else.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:50 pmPlease, please nominate this clown Repubs. He will be so easily defeated. He creates more ammo for the other side everytime he opens his mouth. I would like to invite everyone to lovely St. Paul in summer 08 to give McCain a nice welcome.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI think McCain is taking tranquilizers to help him manage his temper, which he is famous for. He appears more medicated than ill.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmSo, when does MoveOn create an ad about this and start running it? This thing needs to be shown to the country five times a day, every day, for the next 20 months, so much so that just the image of McCain causes laughter and disgust among Americans….Very rarely do you get handed something so clear as this….
February 4th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHow can we find out what medication McCain is on ?His views are so violently contradicted by the circumstances of his environs that this character must be on medication.Is this who should be Prez ? Someone who’s core belief changes according to the gallery before him ?I don’t think so folks.
February 4th, 2007 at 1:59 pmI am beginning to think McCain has symptoms of Dementia, because he clearly cannot recall what he says moment to moment. The man has clearly lost his mind. I feel sorry for the sane people in AZ who have this man representing them.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:00 pmGotta agree with Tollins here. I was going to say much the same. But since he used words like quixotic and alluding what am I left with? I can’t compete.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:03 pm@impeachcheneythenbush
I think McCain is taking tranquilizers to help him manage his temper, which he is famous for. He appears more medicated than ill.
Good point. I have noticed what looks for all the world like a flattened affect when he is on TV. Something typical of someone on certain mood-altering medications.
Much is made of The McCain Temper. Flashes of temper can be found in those who suffer from depressive conditions. Considering his history and his age, it is not an unlikely scenario.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:22 pmI think you’ve all got it wrong. McCain didn’t actually flip-flop here. He said it would get “all better” in a few months, but that in a few months we would know how it was going. That’s not a contradiction.
Let me add that I yield to no one in my disdain for McCain.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:37 pmMy heart goes out to him. All of those years in captivity with the Vietnamese beating the crap out of him have taken a tool. I think the term is punch drunk. So long champ.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:41 pmI think Bush’s stategy is to string along “a few months” until he is bac k cutting brush on his ranch. Then it will be the next president’s problem. We won’t know the true Damage of this folly for years.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:44 pmMy heart goes out to him. All of those years in captivity with the Vietnamese beating the crap out of him have taken a toll. I think the term is punch drunk. So long champ.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI agree with comment #38. This is not a flip flop! I distrust McCain as much as the next guy and detest this wasteful war, but come on people let’s be a little more fair and accurate. It’s this kind of crap that gives bloggers (and liberals) a bad name.
February 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThe Friedman unit needs to be redefined, or at least provide a conversion table:
1FU = 5000 iraqi lives = 300 GIs = $100 B tax dollars
February 4th, 2007 at 2:56 pm#10 - oh crap. I answered “yes” to 9 out of the 10 on the list!
February 4th, 2007 at 3:12 pm#10 - oh crap. I answered “yes†to 9 out of the 10 on the list!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
ha! …i got 6 or 7! … but i figured it was menopause!
February 4th, 2007 at 3:16 pmwhat’s YOUR excuse?!? :-)
Yes, people do it all the time; accept FALSE assumptions, based on pie-in-the-sky assertions, that is. Makes perfect sense to me.
Comment by Barfly — February 4, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
You mean that`s why people think you are actually smart then?
February 4th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#10 - oh crap. I answered “yes†to 9 out of the 10 on the list!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 4, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
ha! …i got 6 or 7! … but i figured it was menopause!
what’s YOUR excuse?!? :-)
Comment by katy — February 4, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Ha! That was priceless!
Thank you for the great laughs Moderator Katy.
You made my day once again.
Now my day is complete.
Keep up the good work!
February 4th, 2007 at 3:20 pmI’m not a big fan of Senator McCain, but I don’t consider this a flip-flop. He says we won’t be “all better” in a few months, but we can sense the trend in a few months. This is not a contradiction. Detectable trends predate final conclusions.
There are plenty of other issues to debate than this one.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:23 pmA man who tell lies merely hides the truth, but the man who tells half lies has forgotten where he put it…
From the film Lawrence of Arabia…
February 4th, 2007 at 3:24 pmAnd here all this time I thought that ‘flip-flopping’ was a Democratic thing, based on the BS from all the neocons. Let’s just see how many of those right-wing leaning pundits on Faux-n0-news and elsewhere get their undies in a knot over Mc flipping and flopping.
February 4th, 2007 at 3:38 pmOh, c’mon! Save the flip-flop accusations for actual flip-flops (McCain’s are legion, but this ain’t one).
There is no contradiction (and hence no flip-flop) between saying it’s unrealistic to expect the situation to “get all better” in a few months and saying on the other hand that it should be possible to tell in a few months if “the Iraqi government [is] cooperating and doing what’s necessary” (i.e., this could certainly occur without everything “get[ting] all better”).
Mealy-mouthed weaseling? Sure.
Flip-flop? No way.
But then, again, on the OTHER other hand, Kerry’s much-ridiculed “voted for the $87B before I voted against it” malaprop wasn’t a flip-flop either, since the 2 votes were on 2 different bills, the first — that he voted for — fiscally responsible and the second, not.
Still, if we sink to their deceitful standards — become them to beat them — we lose, anyway.
Jus’ sayin’.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:09 pmThere is no contradiction (and hence no flip-flop) between saying it’s unrealistic to expect the situation to “get all better†in a few months and saying on the other hand that it should be possible to tell in a few months if “the Iraqi government [is] cooperating and doing what’s necessary†(i.e., this could certainly occur without everything “get[ting] all betterâ€).
Thank you, Gary. 100% correct.
I appreciate the desire to tear down McCain, but ThinkProgress is ostensibly a “nonpartisan” site. You shouldn’t be attacking Republicans at every trivial opportunity just for the sake of attacking them.
There are plenty of legitimate things to criticize McCain for. A “flip flop” like this is not one of them.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:21 pmThose who are convinced of their Righteousness will always see things their way -S
Such as what Socrates was up against. Those whom thought themselves righteous were not, and the truly righteous paid the price. Jesus as well suffered the same fate. Both dismissed material posessions and thought more of their fellow man than they did of themselves.
Those today whom consider themselves righteous can be easily spotted by their lack of caring for other men and their obsession with money, or power, and materialism and they truly fear those who are righteous.
Wisdom does not come from knowledge or material posessions, it comes from lack of materialism and complete removal of ones bias. Then and only then shall ones nimbus become apparent.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:38 pmStill, if we sink to their deceitful standards — become them to beat them — we lose, anyway. Jus’ sayin’.
Comment by gary1
Such is the problem with fundamentalists today, they are good people, but having stooped to their deceitful ways, the means justify the ends, they have actually done just the opposite of what Socrates, or Jesus, whom neither ever wrote a thing, was driving at.
Capitalism, while serving us well as a nation, shall also bring us to our knees if we do not recognize these simple things and share our wealth instead of trying to commandeer others wealth or resources. Mans hatred and his obsession with gratification and empowerment is also his downfall.
February 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pmthat things are going to get all better
vs.
the Iraqi government cooperating and doing what’s necessary
How exactly are these the same thing?
February 4th, 2007 at 5:20 pm10 warning signs of Alzheimer’s as applied to George W. Bush
1. Memory loss- yes (booze, pot and cocaine consumption tends to do that to you…)
2. Difficulty performing familiar tasks- yes (riding bikes, eating pretzels…)
3. Problems with language- yes, and on a legendary scale…
4. Disorientation to time and place- yes, tends to think he’s back at the ranch clearing brush, or leading the roman legions into battle, or wearing the maillot jaune in the tour de france (tour de freedom)…
5. Poor or decreased judgment- yes, constantly and consistently…
6. Problems with abstract thinking- yes, again on a legendary scale…
7. Misplacing things- yes, well, the truth anyway…
8. Changes in mood or behavior- yes, when the adults tell him he can’t have what he wants…
9. Changes in personality-no, regrettably…
10. Loss of initiative-no initially, but yes once he’s found someone else to blame the fiasco on…
Score: 8 1/2 of 10
February 4th, 2007 at 5:31 pmthe opponent(iran and the islamo=nazi’s) has escalated (insurgancy,rpg’s,molitia’s etc.)
now we are discussing : arm-up
or give-in
side step from Malaki : “get out of my country,You are
attracting the (for innocent iraqi people) deadly iranian forces ”
Ladies and Gentlemen , here is no room for riding politics and
maneuvering voters . We are in the war , we have committed our
Forces and Arsenal, We will prevail, here.
What we don’t have on infantry we’ll have to make up with the
arsenal .We should not hesitate to use nukes , even if the
equation calls for sparing more American lives in this war
or have millions of opponents die instead.
It boiles down to the July/August 1945 decision.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe opponent(iran and the islamo=nazi’s) has escalated (insurgancy,rpg’s,molitia’s etc.)
now we are discussing : arm-up ( = American escalation)
or give-in
side stab from Malaki : “get out of my country,You are
attracting the (for innocent iraqi people) deadly iranian forces â€
Ladies and Gentlemen , here is no room for riding politics and
maneuvering voters . We are in the war , we have committed our
Forces and Arsenal, We will prevail, here.
What we don’t have on infantry we’ll have to make up with the
arsenal .We should not hesitate to use nukes , even if the
equation calls for sparing more American lives in this war
or have millions of opponents die instead.
It boiles down to the July/August 1945 decision.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:42 pmit is so ironic that Easter is about capital punishment. Religion has many good Values, but tolerance isn’t one of them.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:43 pmJoe Knee Dough…well said. It’s easy to “say” things. Not so easy to be loving. Being loving as I presently see it means, among other things, to allow others to be themselves and to know, in humility, that we are all living a mystery. To claim the only path to the truth or that we “own” the truth is arrogant, stupid, unloving, dangerous, and greedy. I don’t even like the word tolerance much because embedded within it is often entitlement and holier than thou thinking. How dare anyone “tolerate” other views? Tolerate? How arrogant and condescending. How about recognizing the rights of others to hold those views and to be open to learning from others? Once we lock onto a narrow view of “the truth” we start to ripen and rot in my opinion. This is in no way an excuse to be immoral, unkind, or “anything goes.” I’m a liberal and proud to be so. The word comes from the word liberty….freedom. Freedom to be, to search life long, to grow.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThis isn’t wishy washy, it’s a realization of how vast this thing we are participating in ( life) is.
Yay, Tollins. You said it WAY better than I could. This site needs to be more honest if it is to gain credibility. If your job, Think Progress, is to preach to the choir and get your ditoheads all bobbing up and down, then you’re doing a heckuva job. If your job is to convince people in the middle and maybe even convert some on the other side of the fence, then you fail miserably by being dishonest.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:55 pmMcCain is a despicable coward and a flip-flopping, yellow-bellied, two-faced, lying skunk who would sell his own grandmother out to benefit himself politically…ditto for Joe Lieberman, these two dastardly traitors to True American ideals should be expunged from the American political scene for their complete lack of scruples and principles…a worse pair of
February 4th, 2007 at 5:59 pmTRAITORS I have never seen, nor ever hope to see! The quicker these
two are pulled from the political stage, along with CHIMPya and the
majority of repugnant(read republican)scum like Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee, Rudy Giuliani, etc., the better off America will be! Lieberman is a democrat? In name only!
To be fair, he said success won’t happen in a few months, but we’ll know if the strategy is working in a few months. I’m just sayin’.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:02 pmGary and Dave are correct. There is no contradiction and no flip-flop.
You might want to edit your post so you don’t continue to look like an idiot.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNot sure if this showed up…there was no flip-flop or contradiction. You’d best edit your post so you don’t continue to look like a fool.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:09 pmwe won’t know if the strategy is working in a few months. We might know that it has failed miserably in a few months. Remember Rumsfeld’s comments about running out of targets in Afghanistan. Well…they are back. An insurgency will lay low when the fighting heats up, and come back later to fight another day. Classic guerilla strategy, which Bush refuses to recognize. There is NO military solution to our adventure in Iraq.
February 4th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by Barfly
[SQUEEK! SQUEEK!]
Rachael! Come here girl! You’ve got poop on your foot, and you’re leaving tracks all over the place! Sit! Rachael! Sit! I’ve got your favorite chew toy . . .
[SQUEEK! SQUEEK!]
Sorry folks, she’s slipped out of the bathroom again . . .
February 4th, 2007 at 6:24 pmWatching that is pure torture
February 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmre: post no. 69
See folks, that’s Barfly’s “level” of awareness. Say no more. That is Barfly’s and Spudge Boy’s response to post #65
What a crock
February 4th, 2007 at 6:57 pmBarfly,
When can I tongue your browneye?
Ooops! wrong blog.
TP PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS GO THRU
too la
February 4th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWho cares about McCain says anyway. Every day it’s McCain said this McCain said that. Enough already.
February 4th, 2007 at 7:10 pmMcCain is a senile warmongering fool who must retire from the Senate and never run for political office again for his worthless life being a Bush butt kisser. Shame on him!
February 4th, 2007 at 7:59 pmYeah john noe, go crawl back into your comfy hole. Don’t pay any attention to what’s going down and who is swallowing it hook line and sinker. It won’t end up affecting your life …right? ……right…..!!!????
February 4th, 2007 at 8:02 pms - Did you see my comment at #76? I agree with everything you’re saying, believe me, but this is trolling — not Barfly or unbelievable.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:14 pmJohn McCain is a corrupt, delusional, dishonest, buffoon.
He’s an independent or maverick as Marie Antoinette was compassionate.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:15 pmLook, I detest the lies and crap that pour out of McCain’s mouth on a daily basis, but you folks are context-picking on this one. I watched the MTP interview this morning and there was a distinction between seeing things “getting all better” in a few months as opposed to seeing evidence of the Iraqi government cooperating in a few months.
That’s not a flip-flop. It’s a stupid bit of semantic play on McCain’s part, but if you LISTEN to his words, it’s TWO different things: (1) it’s not reasonable to expect things to “get all better” in a few months, but (2) it is reasonable to expect to see whether the Iraqi government is doing their part within a few months.
We will NEVER be able to overcome the radical right-wingers like McCain and his ilk if we keep doing the kind of misreading and uncritical thinking that shows through the comments on this story. McCain didn’t flip-flop, but he did use this interview to explain that his proposed resolution about the “surge” has NO consequences, and thus, no value.
Stop nitpicking (inaccurately) the flip-flop here, and start paying attention to what he ACTUALLY SAID…or we’ll never be able to overcome the neocons who want to bury America.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:23 pmbigdavefromqueens
should read:
Big Dumb Dave From Queens
I bitchslap the back of your head and watch your greasy hair fly up.
You big dumb buffoon. Get off your grandmas computer already.
Back to the 7th grade science books for you Dumbo, school bright and early in the morning.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:25 pmre above:
There is NO military solution to our adventure in Iraq.
this would mean there is no solution.
Because the very ultimate solution of all resolve is and stays the
military one .
Re. Malaki above , his side stab to the US
He is preparig for later , when Amadinashad will have te controls
in Iraq respectively at least in SAdr -City and in the south .
So he can always say ” I never like the US , I pushed them out ”
Re McCain
is getting old . Eating pills etc. he should endorse ,George Kawashili Rush Or Levin . A man of consistance , able to bring total resolve
( absolute US prevailing) into the theatre (middle east) .
RE:
Costs of prevailing = Billions
If it is 800 or 400 billions
If it exceeds 800 billions $
It does not come into play , as long as we prevail .It will never come into play, because maintaining us to be number 1 on earth
entitles us to furthermore print those $$$
and give them to the soldiers , Defense contractors , Governmentemployees etc. and a reasonable ratio to the other
5 currencies will be maintained.
(there are Canada,AUstralia,EURO,YEN and Swissfrancs)
or some commander in chief equivalent to them
February 4th, 2007 at 8:40 pmI think in the case of the Iraqi government cooperating and doing what’s necessary, we can know fairly well in a few months.
I have to say it doesn’t quite sound like a flip-flop to me.
Yes, McCain is walking a fine semantic line, but I am not sure I would qualify it as a “flip-flop”. You can know whether or not the Iraqi government is cooperating without the situation getting “all better” in a matter of months. Theoretically at least.
His statement to me seems like a re-phrase of the old tired “the next three to six months” or the “we’re about to turn a corner” talking points.
Bottom line: It doesn’t carry much weight anyway.
February 4th, 2007 at 8:41 pmre above:
There is NO military solution to our adventure in Iraq.
this would mean there is no solution.
Because the very ultimate solution of all resolve is and stays the
military one .
Re. Malaki above , his side stab to the US
He is preparig for later , when Amadinashad will have te controls
in Iraq respectively at least in SAdr -City and in the south .
So he can always say †I never like the US , I pushed them out â€
Re McCain
is getting old . Eating pills etc. he should endorse ,George Kawashili Rush Or Levin .
or some commander in chief equivalent to them.
A man of consistance , able to bring total resolve
( absolute US prevailing) into the theatre (middle east) .
RE:
Costs of prevailing = Billions
If it is 800 or 400 billions
If it exceeds 800 billions $
It does not come into play , as long as we prevail .It will never come into play, because maintaining us to be number 1 on earth
February 4th, 2007 at 8:45 pmentitles us to furthermore print those $$$
and give them to the soldiers , Defense contractors , Governmentemployees etc. and a reasonable ratio to the other
5 currencies will be maintained.
(there are Canada,AUstralia,EURO,YEN and Swissfrancs)
# 79 Zooey….thanks for the info. How do you ( or does one ) know who is hijacking names? Does one have to be intelligent to figure it out? I hope not or I may be in trouble!
s Pipes ;)
February 4th, 2007 at 9:19 pmHow do you ( or does one ) know who is hijacking names? Does one have to be intelligent to figure it out? I hope not or I may be in trouble!
Once you’ve been around here for quite a while, you’ll get to know the various commenters’ styles. No way are Barfly or unbelievable involved in crap like that.
s Pipes ;)
Comment by s
Heh. Thanks for that video clip. Nice. :)
February 4th, 2007 at 9:34 pmBarfly,
Please see: #76, 79, 86, 87.
s is fairly new here.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:06 pmMcCain Flip-Flops In 47 Seconds: Claims Success Is Not Realistic In ‘A Few Months’
I’ll bet he can top it before the next election. All he has to do is get rid of that nervous twitch he does right before the flop; he can shave eight or nine seconds off that time, easy.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:07 pmAnd thanks, Dame Zooey, you’re a classy skirt.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:08 pmAnd thanks, Dame Zooey, you’re a classy skirt.
Comment by Barfly
High praise indeed, from the Dazzling Barfly. :)
February 4th, 2007 at 10:11 pmMcCain’s usually full of shit, but not this one time. A key part of the (doomed to fail) surge plan is to establish security “benchmarks” for the Maliki government to hit as a condition to maintaining the higher troop level (or possibly any troops at all). McCain is saying there won’t be peace in a few months, but in that time frame we’ll know if the Iraqi government is getting its shit together or not.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pmUm, He’s Not Contradicting Himself…
This is supposedly an instance of John McCain contradicting himself inside of a minute:MCCAIN: Took us a long time to get in the situation we’re in, and to say that — and somehow assume that in a few months, that…
February 4th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWhat we need is a McCain wind up doll. Twist this guys nuts a little and he’ll say whatever you want (there is no way for him to stay on message because he is waiting to be told what to say). The last thing this country needs is more has been leadership from weak knee republicans like this loser! Just ask his buddies at the Hanoi Hotel.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:41 pmWow, Think Progress can’t even fool their own fans anymore. Things must be going slow if they have to invent flip-flops out of thin air. Can’t TP just do 3 more threads on global warming instead of inventing stuff about McCain? Sheesh.
February 5th, 2007 at 4:20 am“Took us a long time to get in the situation we’re in”… Not at all Senator. We got into the catastrophuck we’re in almost overnight. Had it taken us longer, Bush’s lies would’ve been discovered even before he could start bombing Baghdad. Secondly, as soon as Americans set foot on the ground in Iraq we had the chaos that is the chaos of today. As soon as Saddam was out of power we could call this conflict a civil war, be it that there is a third party between the two fires. Thirdly, if you think making chaos is a slow process and progress is a fast one, take yourself back to high school. Here’s some wisdom: “building a beautiful sandcastle could take hours, days, even weeks, but he who wants to destroy it is done in seconds” Bush only needed a second to convict Saddam, we need another 2000 years before we can start talking of truth and freedom again. THAT’s a LONG time, senator
February 5th, 2007 at 8:03 amFirst off he said we will know if the plan is working in a couple months. Thats different then his earlier statement. The plan could be working and not all is well.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:41 amseems like hillary is trying to get the flip flop phrase attached to mccain
February 5th, 2007 at 11:15 amQuizmos, I love the idea of the wind-up doll. Perhaps we can get one of the dem. campaigns to start mass producing these things?
February 5th, 2007 at 11:21 amSure McCain is an idiot but he isn’t actually “flip-flopping” here… he’s talking about two different things. And not that what he’s saying isn’t totally misguided either…he’s just not actually flip-flopping the way the author makes him seem to.
February 5th, 2007 at 4:51 pmI’d like to add my opinion with those that say that McCain didn’t flip-flop. He was clearly talking about two different situations. Let’s not use our ammo of truth to support disingenuous claims.
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