Retired generals call Iran war ‘disastrous.’
Retired generals call Iran war ‘disastrous.’
“Three former high-ranking U.S. military officers have called for Britain to help defuse the crisis over Iran’s nuclear program, saying military action against Tehran would be a disaster for the region“:
In a letter to the Sunday Times newspaper, the three former officers urged President Bush to open talks, “without preconditions,” with the Iranian government in a bid to find a diplomatic solution.
The signatories were retired Lt. Gen. Robert G. Gard, a senior military fellow at the Center for Arms Control and Nonproliferation in Washington, D.C.; retired Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, former head of U.S. Central Command; and Vice Adm. Jack Shanahan, former director of the Center for Defense Information.
The officers said an attack “would have disastrous consequences for security in the region, coalition forces in Iraq and would further exacerbate regional and global tensions.”
“The current crisis must be resolved through diplomacy,” they said.
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Well, good luck, Generals, George has a “mind” of his own, you know. Maybe a coup uprising would be of some benefit, at this juncture. George just doesn’t seem to be repsonding well to his drugs.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pmBush won’t listen.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:40 pmOkay so they dig up 3 old dinosaur *retired generals to say it is a disaster. They are not today`s military. That is why they are retired. They should make a military law whereby you lose your pension and benefits for making off the cuf statements like these.
I would also venture to guess these three generals they marched out into the limelight are Murtha and Hoyer cronies.
Your credibility is already waining with me TP. Need you make my mind up for me in such a flamboyant and vacant manner?
These three generals are the ebst you can do? These three has
beens and washed out dinosaurs from another era?
War is technically very sanitary and very technologically advanced these days. Most warfare is one in the air. Just because we have house to house civil war in Iraq is no excuse to march these thress generals out and foist their ancient opinion upon the rest of us. I know this is tempting to do because of your stance on the war and all.
But these three?
Talk about unqualified to comment let alone try to open their mouths and shape policy. This is a Murtha and Hoyer propaganda stunt.
And a cheap one at that.
Those three?
Whew!
February 4th, 2007 at 10:49 pmYep the Iraq Fiasco War is a complete disaster, but the Congress is too spineless to end it!
February 4th, 2007 at 10:50 pmGeorge just doesn’t seem to be repsonding… responding… oh, drat – George is all f-ed up and if he had half a brain, he’d be dangerous, dammit! Now, go get his mother. He’s afraid of her and will do whatever the old bat says to do.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pmdonut lol > the Generals who kiss up to Bush are the worst kind. There is nothing worse than suck-up Generals!
February 4th, 2007 at 10:54 pmLiberal > Barbara Bush tells her son Junior that he is brilliant and wise, so she is no help anymore. I wish she would slap him silly, but she likes warmongering too.
February 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmwhy do retired generals hate america?
February 4th, 2007 at 10:58 pmwhy does George Bush hate America?
February 4th, 2007 at 11:08 pmwhy does Donut Wrangler hate America?
February 4th, 2007 at 11:24 pmAssclowns of the Week #58: Iran, You Ran, We All Ran From the Mushroom Cloud Edition is up. Enjoy. I’m going to bed.
February 4th, 2007 at 11:33 pmThe neocons have learned nothing from five years of catastrophe
February 4th, 2007 at 11:54 pmTheir zealous advocacy of the invasion of Iraq may have been a disaster, but now they want to do it all over again – in Iran
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2002290,00.html
Former PNACcia writes…not that they would want to learn anything.
On Thursday, January 11, 2007, Congressman Ron Paul of Texas (R) (but he’s really a Libertarian) hit the house floor and put on the record what many Americans fear might be coming down the pipe; a new Gulf of Tonkin incident to initiate a shooting war with Iran.
“The truth is that Iran, like Iraq, is a third-world nation without a significant military. Nothing in history hints that she is likely to invade a neighboring country, let alone America or Israel. I am concerned, however, that a contrived Gulf of Tonkin- type incident may occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.”
February 4th, 2007 at 11:57 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d8MIENVtKw&eurl=
Yes, the neocons are crazy enough.
donut wrangler = neocon deadender
February 4th, 2007 at 11:57 pmWhy just three retired generals? Why not three hundred? A number that large would cause quite a splash, and put a lot of pressure on Republicans to do something about Bush (i.e. impeach).
February 5th, 2007 at 12:00 amWell, just having people with military experience say some plan of Bush’s is a bad idea, should be enough to get him to forge ahead with it.
There’s something of the “I’ll show them — I’ll show EVERYBODY” in this man’s psychology. Unfortunately, he’s rolling the dice with our nation’s future on the line. And he’s coming up snake eyes consistently.
An anyway, how much “wrangling” does a donut require?
February 5th, 2007 at 12:03 amBy the way, donut brain, these generals can hardly be called wash outs. They were all top military leaders and didn’t wash out of anything. Hoar was head of CENTCOM for the first three years after Gulf War I, which I would call relevent experience.
So tell me, wrangler, just what are your qualifications that allow you to speak against these men? Use as much space as needed.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:11 amAn anyway, how much “wrangling†does a donut require?
Comment by KRank — February 5, 2007 @ 12:03 am
We will never know. It was just another troll drive by. If wrangler shows up again it will probably be under a different name.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:15 amThere have been planty of retired generals that have joined the majority of Americans that see through this weak, pitiful loser of a President. Put yourself in the shoes of a retired general, your whole career has been supporting the Commander in Chief. I find it amazing and damning to Boy George for ANY of them to speak against the idiot.
But damned he is with the souls of our soldiers his curse, and damned we are if we don’t stop him from warring against Iran.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:22 amWar is technically very sanitary and very technologically advanced these days. Most warfare is one in the air. Just because we have house to house civil war in Iraq is no excuse to march these thress generals out and foist their ancient opinion upon the rest of us. I know this is tempting to do because of your stance on the war and all. -DW
Seems we heard that before the Iraq war. Shock and Awe. That war was not won thru the air and is now being battled on the ground. Iran is three times the size of Iraq.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:24 amThere is nothing “sanitary” about war. What a bizarre concept. Donut brain has confused the Fox News portrayal of the war with the actual war. This line alone is a dead giveaway that we are dealing with a koolaid drinker.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:37 amwhy do retired generals hate america?
Comment by n69n
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/about/staff-bios/robert-g-gard-jr.html
He has written for well-known periodicals that focus on military and international affairs and lectured widely at U.S. and international universities and colleges, and at academic conferences. He is a member of the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Council on Foreign Relations. In 1996, General Gard joined Veterans for America as its military advisor.
His credentials look pretty solid.
February 5th, 2007 at 12:38 amDon’t confuse the chymp with facts and scholarly, well thought out opinions of people who know shit.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:00 amJust impeach his ass before he ignites WWIII
my guess is, a donut wrangler is a cop…
not to disparage law officers… just a hunch…
so, the superbowl went off well… no terrist attack… just rain…
the half-time show was THE best – an actual MARCHING BAND !!!
too bad they didn’t show more wide shots of that performance – the FLORIDA A&M MARCHING 100… they performed at an ILLINI game this past fall and blew the crowd away! … a real show band!…
and PRINCE was great also! … heh…
g’nite all…
oh, and good on the generals… we need all the help we can get…
February 5th, 2007 at 1:04 am.
Diplomacy doesn’t exist in George Bush’s very small “black and white” world. Bush uses evil methods in his war against evil and he’s completely unconscious of the fact that this is what he’s doing. Maybe George will learn to be an adult someday and learn to live in an adult world where people try to get along with each other through discussion and compromise. George Bush is a very, very dangerous simple-minded person.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:16 amI have to admit one thing. A Presidency cannot be fashioned after The West Wing episodes and cannot always be as entertaining as you or I may like it. Politics is a serious business. It is a hard nose free for all, all of the time these days, not just around election time as it used to be.
I must say I agree with Hagle when he says “If you wanted an easy job with no hazards, why are you in politics”
The contributors to this blog could themselves benefit from and pattern their conduct more after Hagle and less like Karl Rove.
February 5th, 2007 at 1:19 amOh THank you, alll mighty generals!!! We didn’t know attacking Iran would be a disaster while we are neck deep in a disaster of our own creation by invading Iraq. Thanks for the breaking story.
February 5th, 2007 at 2:05 amdonut wrangler = rachel b./Joanie Doe/patricia reglin/tranny
February 5th, 2007 at 2:26 amI have to admit one thing. A Presidency cannot be fashioned after The West Wing episodes and cannot always be as entertaining as you or I may like it. Politics is a serious business
You mean I have to take cat litter boxes seriously?
February 5th, 2007 at 2:56 amYou mean I have to take cat litter boxes seriously?
—- Jet Mech
Yeah, seriously dump them when they stink, kinda like what we need to do with Bushco.
Except the Democrats haven’t started impeachment proceedings yet…..
February 5th, 2007 at 3:03 amCan we possibly get a reporter to ask a follow-up question when our leading Democratic presidential aspirants (three of whom are also current Senators) say “all options are on the table” regarding Iran???
Here are 2 suggestions:
1) Is one of the “options” a preemptive military strike against Iran?
2) Well, if you can’t discuss specifics, here is a general question. Our official current foreign policy includes preemptive war. Do you accept or repudiate the Bush doctrine of preemptive war?
Clark has repudiated preemptive war. The others seem to be hedging. How about it, reporters? This is kinda important, you know?
February 5th, 2007 at 3:55 amObviously diplomatic channels should always be kept open by civilized socities. There should be a difference between dissident groups and legitimate powers that be.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
February 5th, 2007 at 4:53 am#3. donut wrangler, you should change your name to mushroom cloudy head.
I believe fat Dick and Butch(er) were just like you when they were your age.
February 5th, 2007 at 5:21 amLoud mouthed shnucks who want the war, but who can’t fight the war. (Not even Fat Dick could aim properly at a bird, and almost killed someone, let alone of joining the marine when he was young like you….And I think you are a bigger coward than Dickie…)
Besides, these 3 men you are trying to discredit were generals.
They already served their country, and their comments and views carry more reputation than anything the entire morons in the WhiteHouse and Congress could say. Or whatever wannbe chimps like you might think.
I beleive theres are a german, french and italian guys camped at natanz making films and waiting to be struck by US Bombs , will look Bad for you lot
February 5th, 2007 at 5:37 amWHY is there an abnormal fear of Iran that is felt by the American and not by the Russian, the Chinese, the Indian, the French, the German citizen
Its all to do with American past karma against Iran – Opening With an Apology
February 5th, 2007 at 5:48 amThe second aircraft carrier has passed though the Suez and is heading for Iran as we speak the troops for Baghdad are really for Iran , The war will start in 2 – 3 days
President Bush is sending Congress a $2.9 trillion budget that would provide billions of dollars for the war in Iraq, make his first-term tax cuts permanent and achieve a budget surplus three years after he leaves office.
This includes oil theft from Iraq and iran
I really hope you Americans gets hit by Nerve gas – I am really pissed with all of you
February 5th, 2007 at 5:56 amthe Democrats who now control Congress at least trying to avert this catastrophe, which may be the last? No — because they fully share the belief in American “exceptionalism” and in our “right” to worldwide hegemony. Is there even one prominent voice in America regularly explaining the horror of what we have already done, and what we may still do? No.
If this remains unchanged, and if we launch another war of blatant, unforgivable aggression, we will deserve everything we get — and more. Historians, if there are any in the years to come, will see what we were and what we did, and they will judge us accordingly.
I honestly don’t have the slightest idea what people are waiting for, before they finally begin to take action against the still worse nightmare that might be coming. I think most people must tell themselves that it won’t be “that bad.” But it will be; it will probably be worse than anything we can imagine.
The blindness and passivity of most Americans is unrelenting. It appears to be unchangeable. If we continue down this road, I doubt that even God will forgive us.
February 5th, 2007 at 6:04 amRetired generals are the only ones allowed to speak out and virtually all of them have repudiated Bush and his Iraq and Iran strategies.
February 5th, 2007 at 7:48 amHey Toby, where did you get the 2 or 3 day estimate from ?
Just wondering.
February 5th, 2007 at 7:54 amSorry, “Tobey”.
February 5th, 2007 at 7:55 amThese retired generals are not retarded.They know the main task of an active army is to operate in cases of self defense.
Irak, Iran….when did those countries declare war to the U.S….?
But it seems your imbecile stupid Moron in chief has already declared war on human intelligence.
By the way, to you all fascist warmongering trolls….f*ck you from behind….
February 5th, 2007 at 8:02 amBy the way, to you all fascist warmongering trolls….f*ck you from behind….
Comment by Hector Garcia
Shut your pie hole and go back to doing your nails you limp-wristed bastard.
February 5th, 2007 at 8:42 amBut the decider will decide that these retired generals are retired and that their position is unamerican and does nothing to support the troops. And so George will do the opposite.
February 5th, 2007 at 8:44 amNow that’s logical?
When will the generals just say, “Look, this is a crazy man doing the bidding of evil fascists. We have to refuse his orders.”
When will this happen?
February 5th, 2007 at 8:59 amYeah, Dude, I’m sure you are about as qualified to make these decisions as 5-Deferment Dick and Party Chimp.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:03 amDonut Wrangler – Hoar, being a centcom for Desert Storm – that makes him a Dinosaur?
By your definition, anyone one who had command experience in our last major conflict is too old to have any worthwhile advice – presumably too old to command.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:22 amI just took my drugs and their taking effect. It’s hard being schizoid you know. If I post anything before 8:00AM and after 4:00 PM please ignore it as the post is from my “evil” neo-con side. Please accept my humblest appologies and continue to ignore my rantings.
I’m really a nice guy when I’m not assuming numerous identities in order to postulize the propaganda of the neo-cons. Sure wish I hadn’t taken part in their drug test, I don’t feel like I am in charge of my thinking or for that matter I haven’t had an original thought in 6 years.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:30 amWow! Finally my drugs are taking effect. Did I post anything? If so please accept my humblest appologies. It’s hard to be schizoid you know.
If I post anything after 4:00 PM or before 8:00 AM ignore it!!! Those posts are from my evil “Neo-Con” side. I haven’t been the same since I volunteered six years ago in Karl’s drug test. Seems I am not in charge of myself anymore nor can I have an original thought of my own.
I’m really a nice guy you know during the daylight hours I sit in a donot establishment waiting to talk to good looking guys with the hope of friendship. I don’t really need the money, but they just hand it over to me when we part. Life is soooo good you know, I just wish I didn’t have to hide my “real” self from the other Neo-cons; they are sooooo attractive you know.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:36 amThanks for trying, guys, but you know the decider has already decided — the decision maker will do whateverthehell he pleases, regardless of your opinions, sorry.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:38 amI’m really a nice guy you know during the daylight hours I sit in a donot establishment waiting to talk to good looking guys with the hope of friendship. I don’t really need the money, but they just hand it over to me when we part. Life is soooo good you know, I just wish I didn’t have to hide my “real” self from the other Neo-cons; they are sooooo attractive you know.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:38 am20wol, you can do much better.Try again,once more.Use chimpy’s instruction manual if you do not have a clue.
February 5th, 2007 at 9:39 amHey 20 words or less
Do you eat donuts?
February 5th, 2007 at 9:43 amHey 20 words or less
Do you eat donuts?
Comment by donut wrangler
No, but check with Hector Garcia—I think he’ll swallow anything.
February 5th, 2007 at 10:08 amTry again,once more.Use chimpy’s instruction manual if you do not have a clue.
Comment by Hector Garcia
Great! They now have a magic 8 ball for liberals… I can’t wait to see the other random answers.
February 5th, 2007 at 10:21 amIf George invades Iran without permission from congress… he is guilty of treason.
February 5th, 2007 at 11:01 amI really hope you Americans gets hit by Nerve gas – I am really pissed with all of you
Comment by Tobey Tall — February 5, 2007 @ 5:56 am
The blindness and passivity of most Americans is unrelenting. It appears to be unchangeable. If we continue down this road, I doubt that even God will forgive us.
Comment by Tobey Tall — February 5, 2007 @ 6:04 am
Ok, Tobey. You’ve been trying to disguise yourself as British for sometime now. Obviously, you are one of us Americans that you condemn so roundly.
February 5th, 2007 at 2:58 pmLet’s be realistic — George is going to do what he damn well feels like doing and to hell with what anyone HAS to say — particularly if they have the expertise and experience to provide wise counsel. He didn’t listen to Shinsheki — he doesn’t listen to anyone except his ideological sycophants and anyone who kisses his ass and tells how wonderful he is.
February 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWho needs the advice of retired generals on WAR…
…when we’ve got the advice of…
…active duty cowards, chickenhawks, deferment kings and deserters in and around the White(man’s) House?
February 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pmThe Bush cultists protest: “What do a few life-long military men with long records of leading soldiers into battle know? Give me a young right-wing think-tank operative any day if you want to know about the best military strategy.”
February 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmYou all know that we DID destroy Iraq’s millitary and any sort of infrustructure that would oppose us. We cut of power, water, money. Destroyed all the millitary resistance and captured saddam. While I think that we should have used Iraq to help us attack iran and befriended saddam because he was not so radicle.I do not think that we would try to have a STANDING force in Iran. Those crazy suicide human waves would charge all over like when Iraq invaded Iran the first time. Iran is a seriouse threat, and if we go to war it will be a SERIOUSE air and navy assult. I cannot see the US trying to send in an invasion force. God, it would take at LEAST 300,000 american boys and thousands of lives would be lost. If you think that the Iraqies can put up a good insurgancey tahn i assure you the iranians can do 5X better. Their hatred for the west is long and deepfounded ever since the US supported the Shaw.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:30 am