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ThinkFast: February 5, 2007

By Think Progress on Feb 5th, 2007 at 8:50 am

ThinkFast: February 5, 2007


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An historic Senate debate over Bush’s war policy is set to begin today, “but it’s not clear whether there will be a vote.” Conservatives are threatening to use a filibuster to block a vote on an anti-escalation resolution. “It may be the only way for Bush supporters to prevent a bipartisan vote of no confidence,” USA Today reports.

Lawmakers expressed “sticker shock” over President Bush’s proposed 2008 budget, which estimates $300 billion in new Iraq spending and $100 billion in cuts for Medicare and Medicaid. The budget also would “provide insufficient extra cash to maintain coverage for poor children currently enrolled in the Children’s Health Insurance Program.”

“After years of stockpiling findings and allegations,” House oversight chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) will “unleash four days of hearings this week aimed at exposing an array of ‘waste, fraud and abuse’ in government.” The first hearing, tomorrow, will feature former Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, who says he will present a “5,000- to 6,000-word treatise” explaining corruption during his tenure.

Apartment rents are set to rise by 5 percent this year, marking the third straight year of increases. “The discrepancy between the rise in apartment rentals and wages means workers will have to devote even more of their paychecks to housing.”

Three U.S. officials “familiar with unpublished intel” tell Newsweek that evidence of official Iranian involvement in Iraq is “ambiguous.” Meanwhile, the New York Times reports, the “many setbacks and outright failures of Tehran’s experimental program suggest that its bluster may outstrip its technical expertise.”

“Without a public debate or formal policy decision, contractors have become a virtual fourth branch of government,” as “spending on federal contracts has soared during the Bush administration, to about $400 billion last year from $207 billion in 2000.”

1,000: Number of people that the Iraqi Interior Ministry estimates to have been killed this past week, “due to gunbattles, drive-by shootings and bomb attacks.” This announcement follows an attack killing 130 people on Sunday, the second-deadliest attack since the U.S. invasion in 2003.

The poor in developing countries “will suffer the most, even though they are the least responsible for global warming,” U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said today. According to a World Bank report, “the annual costs of climate change impacts in exposed developing countries could range from several percent to tens of percent of gross domestic product.”

And finally: “When Sen. John E. Sununu (R-N.H.) saw reporters approaching him last week, he took off in a sprint, determined to say as little as possible about a nonbinding resolution opposing President Bush’s troop-escalation plan, which is expected to come before the Senate today. ‘You know where I stand,’ the senator…said repeatedly as he fled down stairways at the Capitol. ‘I’m still looking.’”



67 Responses to “ThinkFast: February 5, 2007”

  1. tarazan says:

    Senators who continue to use threat of using Fillibuster should be exposed to public. They are taking the path of closing doors on any hearing with regard to this war, unless they alter resolutions to suit their agenda. They should be exposed. Many of them will be running for re-election in 2008. Let the public be aware of such votes..no more behind doors discussions when it comes to wars…


  2. Mike Hunt says:

    The Repugnicans want to filibuster the vote to signify no confidence in Bush’s latest Iraqnam ploy. Funny how they went ballistic and called filibusters of court appointee’s unamerican, but now a filibuster is ok. Miserable bastards.


  3. Larry from C says:

    Three U.S. officials “familiar with unpublished intel” tell Newsweek that evidence of official Iranian involvement in Iraq is “ambiguous,”

    But American Involvement in Iran is rather clear:

    …Sources at former Cheney company Halliburton allege that, as recently as January of 2005, Halliburton sold key components for a nuclear reactor to an Iranian oil development company.

Additionally, throughout 2004 and 2005, Halliburton worked closely with Cyrus Nasseri, the vice chairman of the board of directors of Iran-based Oriental Oil Kish. Nasseri is also a key member of Iran’s nuclear development team. Nasseri was interrogated by Iranian authorities in late July 2005 for allegedly providing Halliburton with Iran’s nuclear secrets. Iranian government officials charged Nasseri with accepting as much as $1 million in bribes from Halliburton for this information.

    Halliburton has a long history of doing business in Iran, starting as early as 1995, while Vice President Cheney was chief executive of the company. “Halliburton Products and Services Ltd., works behind an unmarked door on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block.

    It was Halliburton’s secret sale of centrifuges to Iran that helped get the uranium enrichment program off the ground, according to a three-year investigation that includes interviews conducted with more than a dozen current and former Halliburton employees.

    If the U.S. ends up engaged in a war with Iran in the future, Cheney and Halliburton will bear the brunt of the blame.

    No, what’s disturbing about these facts is how little attention it has received from the mainstream media. But the public record speaks for itself, as do the thousands of pages of documents obtained by various federal agencies that show how Halliburton’s business dealings in Iran helped fund terrorist activities there—including the country’s nuclear enrichment program.


  4. Hand Banana says:

    Lawmakers expressed “sticker shock” over President Bush’s proposed 2008 budget, which estimates $300 billion in new Iraq spending and $100 billion in cuts for Medicare and Medicaid. The budget also would “provide insufficient extra cash to maintain coverage for poor children currently enrolled in the Children’s Health Insurance Program.”

    Are you sure they didn’t just laugh their asses off? “Sure, George, Sure.”


  5. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Larry from C, which is why we can expect yet another filibuster from Senators when it comes to HR 1, the bill passed by the House to fully implement the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. Tucked into that bill is this provision:

    Subtitle B–Further Actions Against Corporations Associated With Sanctioned Foreign Persons
    SEC. 1321. FINDINGS.
    The Congress finds the following:
    (1) Foreign persons and corporations engaging in nuclear black-market activities are motivated by reasons of commercial gain and profit.
    (2) Sanctions targeted solely against the business interests of the sanctioned person or business concern may be unsuccessful in halting these proliferation activities, as the sanctions may be seen merely as the cost of doing business, especially if the business interests of the parent or subsidiary corporate entities are unaffected by the sanctions.
    (3) Such narrow targeting of sanctions creates the incentive to create shell and `carve-out’ corporate entities to perform the proliferation activities and attract sanctions, leaving all other aspects of the larger corporation unaffected.
    (4) To dissuade corporations from allowing their associated commercial entities or persons from engaging in proliferation black-market activities, they must also be made to suffer financial loss and commercial disadvantage, and parent and subsidiary commercial enterprises must be held responsible for the proliferation activities of their associated entities.
    (5) If a corporation perceives that the United States Government will do everything possible to make its commercial activity difficult around the world, then that corporation has a powerful commercial incentive to prevent any further proliferation activity by its associated entities.
    (6) Therefore, the United States Government should seek to increase the risk of commercial loss for associated corporate entities for the proliferation actions of their subsidiaries.


  6. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Running talley of Republican Filibusters:

    Ethics Reform – filibustered.

    Minimum Wage – filibustered.

    Non-binding Resolution to oppose the esclation – filibuster threatened.

    Note: even the threat of a filibuster can keep something from coming to the floor for discussion and a vote.

    Meanwhile, more of our kids die each and every day the Senate “deliberates.”


  7. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    historic Senate debate over Bush’s war policy is set to begin today

    Lawmakers expressed “sticker shock” over President Bush’s proposed 2008 budget

    unleash four days of hearings this week aimed at exposing an array of ‘waste, fraud and abuse’ in government

    Now, I know why Bush has suddenly become a believer in “global warming” – it’s getting pretty hot there in the White House these days.


  8. Ron Paul for Pres says:

    “Without a public debate or formal policy decision, contractors have become a virtual fourth branch of government,” as “spending on federal contracts has soared during the Bush administration, to about $400 billion last year from $207 billion in 2000.”

    We need to rename the Bush administration the “Swindle and Spend Party.”


  9. Roger_Roger says:

    I also had “sticker Shock”. His budget is way to large. He should make cuts across the board. Some where in the range of a 40% cut is needed. I don’t blame the Dems and TP for wanting a much lower federal budget. This is insane.


  10. hacker bob says:

    I’ll try again. Looks like a case of linky-no-worky

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302439_watada05.html


  11. gogreen says:

    estimates $300 billion in new Iraq spending and $100 billion in cuts for Medicare and Medicaid. The budget also would “provide insufficient extra cash to maintain coverage for poor children currently enrolled in the Children’s Health Insurance Program.”

    You would think, with what amounts to intentional provacations such as this one, that the Demcrats would finally get tired of this and start letting the White House know that crap that like this is DOA. Bush needs to be slapped down, hard, in public.


  12. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Roger, “cuts across the board” means that the poor, the sick, the elderly and the children will bear the brunt of the burden of the combined effects of Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy and Bush’s Wars.

    Is that what you are calling for? Do you truely want the ones who can least afford it to bear the greatest burden?


  13. VerbalKint says:

    It is a given that the Republicans will use the filibuster extensively. We will also start hearing a lot more about “states’ rights” from these lying hypocrites. And their supporters either won’t notice, or more likely won’t care, because they too are flaming hypocrites.


  14. chimpeach says:

    House oversight chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) will “unleash four days of hearings this week aimed at exposing an array of ‘waste, fraud and abuse’ in government.”

    Cue the “Dragnet” theme. I could be wrong, but I suspect that Waxman’s hearings might weaken what little support Bush still has for escalating the war. People just don’t like seeing their tax dollars being flushed down the crapper or handed over to a bunch of crooks. Go figure.


  15. Larry from C says:

    #5 BNF, I pledge allegiance, to my stock certificates, of the Military Industrial Complex of America. And to the lobby, for which it stands, any number of nations, under weaponzied space, with RFID monitoring of my every move and military style justice for all.

    Maybe someone can improve on my new pledge?


  16. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Hacker Bob – from your article:

    Watada has stated that the war in Iraq is illegal and that he is duty-bound as an officer under international and military conventions to refuse unlawful orders. But his views against the war will mean little at his court-martial. A judge already has ruled that Watada cannot question the war’s legality as a defense.

    Yet, to fight in an illegal war could be considered an international war crime.

    Which is the higher duty: to obey orders which violate international law, or to refuse such orders?

    The Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive strike against sovereign countries which may, at some point in the future, pose a threat to the United States contravenes the U.N. Charter. As signatories to the U.N., the Charter is part of the United States’ supreme law of the land.


  17. Clyde the Ripper says:

    Hasn’t Sununu heard that the Neocons never “Cut and Run?”


  18. Marie says:

    I think Repugs believe they are the rule-makers – it kind of follows that W is the decision-maker.
    Democrats who threatened filibuster were obstructionists, hysterical, and possibly subversive — but Repugs are well within their rights as rule-makers.
    Americans just have to learn the rules of the game.


  19. pgw says:

    another proud moment in the life of John Sununu


  20. VerbalKint says:

    What makes me sickest about Republicans is how for many years they offerred high-minded theories on why their favored policies of tax and spending cuts supposedly would help the poor and middle classes, and how the poor in particular needed “tough love”, not government assistance, and blah, blah, blah. And Republicans were righteous in their indignation as they lectured Democrats, who they said were the selfish ones, and who they said were the ones hurting the poor.

    But events of the past few years have ripped the smiling mask off the hideous face of the Republican party and its members. We now know conclusively that Republicans don’t actually believe any of their own theories (States’ rights, anyone?), and have sold their soul to get their precious tax cuts and deregulation, no matter what the cost. And as the wealth of the rich grows without bound, and the income of the middle and lower classes continues to decline, Republicans have largely stopped pretending to believe in their own theories, and have focused on the brute task of looting and pillaging the country.


  21. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Briseadh na Faire

    I posted that just as a “here is one you missed” article.

    But, as for the issue of legality. Who, in the world community has LEGALLY determined that the war in Iraq is illegal? Not the U.N., and that is their job. They can not determine that it is illegal, as the U.S is (was) enforcing the U.N. imposed conditions of cease fire from the ‘91 Gulf War. So, if the war is not ILLEGAL, it must be legal.


  22. Liberal in New Mexico says:

    It would be smart if Congress put these investigations into fraud on the fast track. I’m sure that some of this corruption would give the various committees concerned some teeth into charges that might be brought and filed. As with much of the wheeling and dealing within this adminstration during this time, profiteering could be construed as treason and should be pursued, as such.


  23. Willy Wacker says:

    Perhaps this might put the war in perspective for the trolls who want to keep their tax cuts and the war going: Keeping troops in Iraq for another year and a half will cost nearly a quarter-trillion dollars — about $800 for every man, woman and child in the U.S.


  24. Krazny says:

    . So, if the war is not ILLEGAL, it must be legal.

    Comment by hacker bob — February 5, 2007 @ 10:08 am

    Bob you know as well as I do, that this isn’t an either or situation. I have to wonder how many vote by security council have been turned down by the US representative?


  25. doro says:

    Now, I know why Bush has suddenly become a believer in “global warming” – it’s getting pretty hot there in the White House these days.

    Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — February 5, 2007 @ 9:16 am

    Coffee hit Screen!


  26. Dogjudge says:

    Two comments about the Republican threatened filibuster.

    - Could someone please explain to me why the Democrats don’t use the “nuclear option” that the Republicans instituted?
    - Are these filibusters working because the Democrats can’t get 9 Republicans to vote with them? (I’m putting Liberman into this category), or is it because we now have a group of conservative Democrats who are going there own way?

    Thanks for any insight.


  27. smafdy says:

    Whatever happened to the “nuclear option”? Do the dems not have a large enough majority?

    #22, Liberal in New mexico:

    You’re absolutely correct here. The Dems are blowing the opportunity to finish these suckers off. They’re playing nice and being appeasers. Again. The dems need to back the Repubs up – demand respect.

    Someone should immediately send a bill for impeachment of Bush to the floor for a vote (not that that would be successful, but it would totally derail the Repubs attempts to control the House/Senate by technical fiat). Simultaneously, both Houses, in a coordinated effort, should launch serious investigations into where “the money” (Katrina, Iraq) went.


  28. Zooey says:

    Yeah, Rogerx2, 40% cuts in spending across the board. That would be funny if I didn’t know for certain you truly meant it.


  29. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    Three U.S. officials “familiar with unpublished intel” tell Newsweek that evidence of official Iranian involvement in Iraq is “ambiguous.” Meanwhile, the New York Times reports, the “many setbacks and outright failures of Tehran’s experimental program suggest that its bluster may outstrip its technical expertise.”

    I’m confused! Did the Bush administration take over Iran when I wasn’t looking? Or did it just export its ambigous involvement, outright failures, and bluster?


  30. Sharon Cox says:

    Thing’s have not gotten nearly hot enough for bull shit bush to please me…The day this lame duck is boiled in oil in some foreign secret prison will be a happy day for america and the world…Throw in a few fat potatoes like cheney, rice and the rest and we will have a good stew to throw to the reich winged pig’s at the trouth….Blessings, we need them….Impeach now….Imprison the day after.


  31. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Krazny

    I think it is that simple. It is either legal or it is not.

    Now, moral is a different story. That is something that can be debated all day long.


  32. nnoodles says:

    hmmmm, the Republicans want to filibuster, & the MSM has conveniently forgotten how they threw a hissy fit back when the Dems used that same threat.

    Really, does anyone take the MSM seriously anymore.
    what a joke. I’d laugh if my head wasn’t exploding.


  33. VerbalKint says:

    hacker bob, leading up to the war the Bush administration lobbied the UN security council with all its might, but in the end chose to not proceed with a vote, knowing that it would lose by a wide margin. Legal experts are virtually unanimous that had the US allowed the security council to vote, and lost that vote, then starting a war would be illegal. That is why the US chose as plan B to start the war on the basis of existing UN resolutions. Many legal scholars do not believe that the existing resolutions justified starting a war under the circumstances at the time. There is even less justification today, now that we know Iraq did not possess WMDs, and especially since we know that the Bush administration deliberately misled the world about the intelligence it allegedly had. The war is clearly illegal under international law, and Bush and his inner circle are guilty of major war crimes.


  34. Juan C says:

    That is something that can be debated all day long.
    Comment by hacker bob

    Really?


  35. PoliticalCritic says:

    Fleeing Republicans like Sununu is what we should expect from our politicians. None of them have a spine. They cower to the White House still.


  36. Clyde the Ripper says:

    Can anyone explain how a Federal Budget for Fiscal Year 2008 that is several $Billion short of being balanced can lead to a budget surplus in 2012?

    Judging from past recent experience (Daddy to Clinton( the only premise that works is that DUHbya is expecting a Democratic President for two of the three years after FY2008.

    Which brings up another question: If the Democrats are the “Tax and Spend” Party how did the Repugs blow a big surplus and accumulate the highest national Debt ever?

    Using the above logic, if DUHbya and company impeached this year the Iraq war would be ended within a few months and the Budget balanced in FY 2009. Considering the money saved in Iraq and Iran, to be recovered from the Contractor thieves for fraud and from big oil and the Pharms for windfall profits, and ending the tax break for the bushco corporate cronies the Democrats may well be able to eliminate the taxes on the middle and lower wage earners.


  37. Zooey says:

    An historic Senate debate over Bush’s war policy is set to begin today, “but it’s not clear whether there will be a vote.” Conservatives are threatening to use a filibuster to block a vote on an anti-escalation resolution. “It may be the only way for Bush supporters to prevent a bipartisan vote of no confidence,” USA Today reports.

    If you’re just gonna f*cking TALK about it, you might as well do nothing and save your breath.

    Why are the Dems frickin’ caving on this?


  38. paul says:

    If you haven’t seen the Hillary code pink video yet, here it is. In an honest moment before the Iraqi invasion, she laid out the justification for war better than I can do it.

    It is fifteen minutes long and doesn’t become substanative until minute 7 through the end. (I’ve watched an hours worth of 9/11 consriacy video; so you can do this)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

    I hope this dispels the notion that the war in Iraq was solely Bush’s idea and that he demanded to go to Iraq (for no good reason) over the objections of most, especially Democrats. It is also interesting to note that Bill Clinton used many of the same justifications that Bush did when he attacked Iraq in 1999. This was before Bush took office. Those same concerns were still present and more worrisome after 9/11.

    If you were (and are) truly against the war, watch the video. You will be proud of the ladies of code pink.


  39. Angry One says:

    President Bush to House Democrats on Saturday:

    “I welcome debate at a time of war and I hope you know that. Nor do I consider a belief that if you don’t happen to agree with me, you don’t share the same sense of patriotism I do. You can get that thought out of your mind if that’s what some believe.”

    As it turns out, that is exactly what President Bush, his Republican Party and its amen corner appear to believe. For the dark history, see:
    “Bush Denies GOP Treason Label for Democrats.”


  40. CarlX says:

    #15 Larry C, the new Pledge of Allegiance, maybe instead of “A stock certificates” it should read: ” I pledge allegiance to the Authoritarian Icon, of the Military Industrial Corporate complex of America”

    that is good, I’m going to save that one, print it, and pin it to my cubicle wall

    what makes this war is illegal is not the absence of a U.N. resolution AGAINST invading Iraq but the fact that there is no resolution AUTHORIZING the invasion. And the “U.S” can not make a case for being threatened by Iraq under Saddam.

    I can’t find Bob’s support of illegal vs legal; is bob arguing that the war is legal in domestic or international terms?

    I can’t agree more with Zooey; why are the dems caving on this? they would have 65% of us cheering in the streets if the cut funding for this ILEGAL war, and have 2008 presidency in the bag.


  41. Ken says:

    What a great government we have under our great president and his ilk. Another budget with more money to kill people and less to heal them. Another few years, and Medicare and Medicaid will be completely absorbed into the Pentagon budget.


  42. CarlX says:

    yeah, hillary is, as most rank and file dems, almost as nauseating as republicans; so why all the talk of TP as her “personal blog”?

    i’d actually like to know of a truely progressive blog site, instead of TP’s wanna be “progressiveness” (which in TP world = “all that’s wrong with the republicans and not much else”)

    any suggestions?


  43. veritas says:

    If the Dems cave on this one, then it’s clear that the mandate of american voters who placed their faith and trust in their words was, after all, smooth-talking election jargon and nothing else. If that is the case, then these newly-elected Dems will get the boot as well.

    It’s clear that they are all pandering to the american corporate crowd running this country (hallmark of fascism?) so we can’t expect much from them at this point.

    The trick is to find some people willing to “walk the talk” like Al Gore and get off their royal arsses and represent the people by finally DOING SOMETHING credible and worthwhile.


  44. Jay Randal says:

    Billions More For Iraq Fiasco War?
    5th of February 2007
    by Jay Randal

    The Bush Regime is asking the Congress to authorize another 100 billion dollars for the Iraq Fiasco War, and Afghanistan Occupation, on top of 70 billion that was already approved last September for fiscal 2007, and is already asking for an additional 145 billion for 2008, so 70 + 100 + 145 = 315 billion more for warfare.

    315 billion dollars to further fund a horrific debacle in Iraq, and protect the Opium trade in Afghanistan, while New Orleans rots back into a bug infested bayou and the US infrastructure molders into complete decay.

    The Social Security Trust Fund is supposedly drying up, but the Federal government is able to spend 315 billion dollars for warfare, and claims it has no clue how to pay future Social Security benefits to retirees.

    May one strongly suggest that Social Security shortfall comes out of the 315 billion about to be dumped down the rat hole in Iraq, and for measly couple billion that is needed to repair New Orleans decrepit levee system, and a few billion to repair bridges throughout the US, and how about funding for Universal Healthcare too.

    ( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)

    PS: Contact Sen. Harry Reid, FAX 1-202-224-7327, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, FAX 1-202-225-8259 telling them that billions more for war is wrong!


  45. theswan says:

    Money for war, no money for american’s medical health. Greed wins the day again.


  46. veritas says:

    #41 this administration cares nothing about it’s own people – the pivotal point where once-great civilizations perished upon which we currently find ourselves. When a civilization aggregiously pursues violence and death, then it’s clear that their own fears & egoic need to control (power) trump all else – even “life” which these reichwingnuts so passionately purport to care about….duh!!!) are ruling them – the certain demise of the group is imminent. In classic paranoia, as in this country of ours at this moment, the “enemy without” turns out to, in reality, be the much more fatal “enemy within” which ultimately brings about it’s own self-destruction.


  47. Joe Sixpack says:

    Can anyone explain how a Federal Budget for Fiscal Year 2008 that is several $Billion short of being balanced can lead to a budget surplus in 2012?
    Comment by Clyde the Ripper

    Sure. In five easy steps:

    1. Keep the tax cuts for the wealthy in place so they can continue to create good jobs overseas. 2. Finish gutting the democratic social programs like medicare and medicaid. 3. Continue to underfund agencies like the VA and Forest Service. 4. Don’t plan on rebuilding the Armed Forces and keep places like New Orleans on the back-burner. 5. Continue to submit inflated and bloated projected budgets a year in advance so when the actual budget comes in under the previous years projections it looks like you are finally balancing it.

    Everything will work out just fine as long as the next president follows Bush-logic and continues to take us down the same old Bush-Cheney path that got us into this mess in the first place.


  48. veritas says:

    Again, throwing “good money after bad” only brings about self-contamination. We, the people, need to make it clear that we come first – that our social programs to help ourselves (tending to one’s own garden) is primary; killing people and controlling their oil wells must be secondary (if at all even in the list of “ills”). It’s time to “cut this fascist regime off at the knees” by not funding their ridiculous killing schemes with our hard-earned tax dollars. Why not let the illegial aliens kick in a few bucks and fill out our military with their ranks if they so desperately want to be in this country?? Time for the people to repeat that very powerful phrase of yore: TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION! Tea, anyone??


  49. Briseadh na Faire says:


    But, as for the issue of legality. Who, in the world community has LEGALLY determined that the war in Iraq is illegal? Not the U.N., and that is their job. They can not determine that it is illegal, as the U.S is (was) enforcing the U.N. imposed conditions of cease fire from the ‘91 Gulf War. So, if the war is not ILLEGAL, it must be legal.

    Comment by hacker bob — February 5, 2007 @ 10:08 am

    Try your sophisms elsewhere, bob.

    Iraq war illegal, says Annan

    The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.
    He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally.

    The U.N. can’t determine that Bush’s War is illegal because Bush has veto power over any such finding. However, some future president may agree to allow an international war crimes tribunal.

    And have you already forgotten the war crimes charges filed in Germany against Rumsfeld?

    Just as Bush exerts universal jurisdiction against “unlawful alien enemy combatants,” several countries exert universal jurisdiction for war crimes.


  50. Parrotlover77 says:

    Whatever happened to the “nuclear option”? Do the dems not have a large enough majority?

    #22, Liberal in New mexico:

    You’re absolutely correct here. The Dems are blowing the opportunity to finish these suckers off. They’re playing nice and being appeasers. Again. The dems need to back the Repubs up – demand respect.

    I applaud the Dems for not threatening to use the “nuclear option” as that would eliminate an already weakened fillibuster. As frustrating as it is now, it has become a VITAL part of the U.S. government as it gives an “equalizing” power to the minority party. In fact, it is their ONLY equalizing power.

    Remember that the Dems will not always be in the majority. The change that the neocons suggested, the so-called “nuclear option” was a disgusting disgrace… a spit in the face to the U.S. government.

    I want the fillibuster to be more like the old days… Eliminate Senate Rule 22. You can’t just say “i’m fillibustering” and leave. You need to stay there, 24 hours per day, reading or saying anything, losing sleep, and so on. If you can’t make it, debate is closed and a vote can be taken.

    This makes you REALLY want it if you are willing to do that. You can’t just fillibuster anything. You have to save it for something big because it will require personal sacrifice. Do you think these repugs would do that if they had to fillibuster the old fashioned way?

    Also, to break a fillibuster should take 2/3 majority of the entire senate, not just 3/5 as now. I think the 2/3 of voting senate is too extreme, even for me, a fan of the fillibuster. :-)

    Of course, these changes should be made after W leaves office. ;-)


  51. Briseadh na Faire says:


    Keeping troops in Iraq for another year and a half will cost nearly a quarter-trillion dollars — about $800 for every man, woman and child in the U.S.

    Comment by Willy Wacker — February 5, 2007 @ 10:20 am

    That’s 7% of the gross annual income of someone working for minimum wage, but only .0003% of the gross annual income of the War Profiteer CEO’s annual income ($250 million).


  52. CarlX says:

    #48
    just to clarify: your illegal alien comment was sarcasm?


  53. Willy says:

    Lawmakers expressed “sticker shock” over President Bush’s proposed 2008 budget, which estimates $300 billion in new Iraq spending and $100 billion in cuts for Medicare and Medicaid. The budget also would “provide insufficient extra cash to maintain coverage for poor children currently enrolled in the Children’s Health Insurance Program.”

    “Without a public debate or formal policy decision, contractors have become a virtual fourth branch of government,” as “spending on federal contracts has soared during the Bush administration, to about $400 billion last year from $207 billion in 2000.”

    This is your typical mean-spirited Republicans who would rather spend billions on killing people than on helping people. Unless, of course, they’re helping their special interest contractors, then they’ll give them as much as they want and more. And then these Republicans have the audacity to call themselves “Christians” with “family values”. Such hypocrites.


  54. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    So, if the war is not ILLEGAL, it must be legal.

    Comment by hacker bob —

    Boy, you are an idiot!!!!


  55. Kat says:

    Maybe Sununu should have to face a crowd of returning military members or military families and try his little Run Johny Run tactic with them… think they will let him get away with that?

    What a coward, what a DISGRACE! What a miserable excuse for a human being… oh wait he’s a Repub warmongering Senator… enough said.


  56. TerrytheTurtle says:

    Larry from C at #3. Dude that is explosive stuff. We need you to give us a link or two to pursue.

    Iran bought nuclear technology from Halliburton during Cheney’s tenure?

    Let me repeat that:

    Iran bought nuclear technology from Halliburton during Cheney’s tenure?

    I knew Halliburton was in Iran and trying to do business, but dual-use technology? Why is that not in the ’so-called-liberal-media’?


  57. ForTruth says:

    Good idea #50 Parrotlover.

    Have the filibuster return to the old fashioned way.


  58. Barfly says:

    Have the filibuster return to the old fashioned way.

    Comment by ForTruth

    That’s not possible. The Republicans saw last time how easily cowed the dems were, when they threatened the nuclear option. Playing fair with them is an invitation to a beating. It has now been revealed that the filibuster is a toothless tactic, ’cause the repubs can remove it at any time, when they’re in the majority. Best to just nuke the damn thing and be done with it.


  59. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    Have the filibuster return to the old fashioned way. Comment by ForTruth

    You’d think a “conservative” would want this and would be advocating it, rather than progressives.


  60. drew_ill says:

    300 BILLION dollars…ok divide that by 365 days in a year and you get roughly $820 MILLION a DAY!!! Bet that makes all the Katrina victims who still don’t have a home feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You know, that feeling you get when your country is fighting an illegal, immoral, unpopular war, when it could have built over 4,100 homes (@ $200,000 per) with the funds from ONE day of this fiasco. Yep, real warm and fuzzy…



  61. Bluedog49 says:

    Interesting. Evidently some of our trolls are not aware of the commonly held view among mental health professionals that those with extreme hatred of gay people are often making up for the fact that they are latent homosexuals. The extreme degree of self-loathing among some people who harbor homosexual fantasies often manifests itself in violent feelings for gay people.

    Seek professional help, killer. It’s no crime to be gay.


  62. Sharon Cox says:

    Trash clean up on #62..How fitting a bigot with a name like a so typical troll…Sit down, post all you want or should I say crap all you want….Guess it doesn’t occure to troll’s that the working class have to work two job’s each to afford rent and a third job for food….Oh no they alway’s have to put relegion or sex into everything even when it is not the topic…Funny how many reich winged closeted gay’s there are….Now that’s your real problem, get them all out of the closet and your post’s won’t work any more….What am I saying, they don’t matter now….Poor hateful troll…


  63. Bluedog49 says:

    Strangelove, you need to up your dose of Lithium. LSD is the last thing you need since you’re obviously already an acute schizophrenic.


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