New Report Spells Out Catastrophic Consequences Of Military Action Against Iran
New Report Spells Out Catastrophic Consequences Of Military Action Against Iran
Yesterday, a coalition of British NGOs, think-tanks, and trade unions published a new report that assesses an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities would be “highly dangerous.”
The document, entitled “Time To Talk: The Case For Diplomatic Solutions On Iran,” warns that President Bush “feels duty-bound to stop Iran’s nuclear program. With little faith in diplomacy, the use of US military force remains a possibility, since Bush believes it unlikely that a…successor will have the ‘political courage’ to undertake a military strike.” There will likely be “great pressure on the President either to contemplate military action before he leaves office or to give the green light to Israeli strikes,” the report states.
The consequences of a U.S. or Israeli strike are “potentially so serious that complacency about the possible outcomes of a military strike could be perilous.” The report attacks “the assumption that targeted military strikes against Iran’s nuclear installations would effectively set back Iran’s nuclear program in the mid-to-long term.” Among the scenarios that the report lays out:
The underlying message is that, while the threat from Iran is serious and negotiations are difficult, “it cannot be said that the potential for diplomacy has been explored fully when direct talks between Iran and the US have not taken place.”
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But, but…. blowin stuff up is way more fun.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:36 pmBush won’t listen, he only knows two forms of diplomacy … giving away sensitive nuclear technology for mangos, and bombing oil rich countries on the premise that they are seeking nuclear technology.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:37 pmHow the heck have we dealt with Iran for the last 30 years?
(I might not want to know the answer)
February 6th, 2007 at 3:37 pmBut military action ALWAYS has the desired effect. Just look at Iraq.
People who oppose military action against Iran really just oppose all war, want Americans to die in the wars they don’t support, and also hate puppies and Jesus.
Everybody knows that.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:39 pm.
Solving problems through discussion and compromise is way more difficult than firin’ up the war machines, and operatin’ that joystick. I mean it sounds like more fun to me too. Oh yeah, this isn’t about “easy” or “fun”.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#4 Hey! I don’t have anything against puppies.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBush is a useless ineducable moron – just like all the unrepentant idiots who ever voted for him in any capacity. Whoever did not foresee this trainwreck of the Republic’s ideals, status, and reputation with this greedy, spoiled, little chimp in charge was not paying attention. He is a menace to the continued survival of the species and must be impeached without further delay or prevarication.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBush won’t listen, he only knows two forms of diplomacy
Uh, you forgot giving away sensitive nuclear technology so that freepers can magically find WMD in Iraq. Oh, and you also left out exposing intel assets like Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan during campaign season.
Wow! The Bush administration sure is tough on those terrists! And by “tough” I mean by the manly standards of our chickenhawk trolls.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:46 pm.
Did the report lay out how the Administration refused several times after 2001 to talk to Iran?
February 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pmOK, I know it, you know it, seems like everybody except the chymp knows it.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pmImpeach and remove before you have an “accidental” armageddon!
…but how else, besides a military strike, will the American populace learn the geographical location of Iran?!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pmDamn, we need someone in the White House who isn’t an insecure macho-boy.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pmCivilian casualties at the bottom of the list – how quaint, especially in light of the well-documented FACT that the vast majority of the overwhelmigly young Iranian civilian population is very much pro-American, pro-reform, and secular/progressive (funny how secular has opposing connotations when used “here” or about “there” – some nice troll want to explain that (y, didn’t think so))
Also, AMEN! Dr. Hoffman IV – I hope you’ve written your elected representatives with your expectations of them.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pmWow, two posts censored at the same time, thats a first. Why is TP censoring?
February 6th, 2007 at 3:54 pmcall your congress… tell them you agree with this…
STOP THE MADNESS. STOP THE MAD MAN.
TOLL FREE SWITCHBOARD NUMBERS:
800.828-0498
800.459.1887
800.614.2803
866.340.2981
the operator will ask which office/member you want… be POLITE…
February 6th, 2007 at 3:55 pm“New Report Spells Out Catastrophic Consequences Of Military Action Against Iran”
This is plan A for the BFEE. * only deals in catastrophies, 9/11, Iraq, Katrina. Let’s just add Iran to the list.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pmNeocons are champing at the bit to invade Iran and make a total “balls-up” of it as they did Iraq–and UN-AMERICAN creeps applaud their
February 6th, 2007 at 3:56 pmefforts by supporting them and CHIMPya’s criminal actions, then try
to change the subject by saying that those who do not support them are putting American lives at risk–GET A GRIP! YOU are the ones who are putting American soldiers’ lives at risk by supporting a surge or any continued American forces occupation of Iraq–BRING OUR TROOPS HOME RIGHT NOW and STOP SACRIFICING THEIR LIVES FOR CHIMPya and the neocons, repugnant-repubs(aka republican)own inflated self-importance and war-profiteering of the military industrial complex! I would personally be willing to go an fight if our country, America WERE REALLY IN DANGER, and not from meaningless waste of taxpayers’ money and American lives like the FIASCO and CATASTROPHE of Iraq–I AM TALKING ABOUT A REAL WAR LIKE WORLD WAR I, II, Korea–NOT FOOLISH FIASCOS like Vietnam and Iraq! COULD YOU, puppy and Jesus-Lover, SAY THE SAME? YOU and CHIMPya and the neocons would be the first to run and hide if REAL DANGER THREATENED AMERICA–NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!
My hats off to TP for reinstating those posts. Thank you.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pmWe all know that the threats against Iran have nothing to do with nuclear power or nuclear weapons and everything to do with oil and oil trading.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pmImpeachment is the only way to stop Bush.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pmIsn’t there a country song that celebrates not knowing the difference between Iran and Iraq? Seems many of my republicant base wouldn’t realize it would be any different than the war we’re already bungling.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pmAm I the only one to see the irony of the picture above? Sure it doesnt help to understand what talking is about…
February 6th, 2007 at 3:59 pmWhere is the thread that discusses Hezbolluh pouring arms into Palestine to support Hamas against Fatah?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI’ma no math wiz er nuffin but I’m pretty sure Iran’s attempt at one bomb is less than our several thousand woooooo doggy! Gotta go – ma dog’s lookin sexay. Praise Jeebus and protect our conservative, sexual repressive, lying through our teef, sister lovin West Virginia values!
February 6th, 2007 at 4:02 pmIMPEACH already
February 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWhere is the thread that discusses Hezbolluh pouring arms into Palestine to support Hamas against Fatah?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
It could be in your blog if you had one. It would be your own little private playground, and could post on any topic at will.
This one is about the dangers of the US using military force against Iran. You can make an on-topic comment like this:
Haven’t the people in the White House learnt nothing in the past four years?
Who is going to pay for this new military (mis)adventure? Besides the Iranians with their lifes, that is….
February 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pmThat is exactly why we are going to attack Iran.
“Catastrophic Consequences Of Military Action Against Iran”
February 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pmCredit to TP was premature, how scizoid of you to reinstate my two earlier benign on topic posts only for you to flip flop and censor them again. How very Progressive of you. I contribute here daily. Why the selective deletions? Kinda pathetic.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#13, excellent point about the youth of Iran.
They are very much pro-western, enjoy many of the same activities our youth do and think they are under extremist rule of law.
Do you think Bush cares? NO!
Thanks to years of power brokering, CIA secret plans, weapons trading / selling we can thank ourselves for where we are today with Iran.
I’m not saying they don’t have extremists. They do, & so do we. In fact, those 17-28%’rs are our extremists.
What the Hell ever happened to diplomacy?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:09 pmRice? (I know she’s no diplomat.)
Bush? (Right!)
Cheney? …you see where I’m going? Nobody in this administration has been tasked with actual diplomacy. Is it because Neosluts are so arrogant they can’t stoop to that level? Is it because they don’t have the skills to practice diplomcay? Or, is it that they just don’t care?
Wow, let me get this straight.
– The consequences are really, really, awful.
– We know this ahead of time.
– Attacking Iran would be the opposite of our National Interest
– Everyone would consider this the greatest stragetic blunder in human history…
We’ll that list point is really the selling point. Georgie Boy would go down in history, perhaps as an idiot, but go down in history all the same. I just don’t see how he can pass this up. When faced with multiple options, George always picks the worst one. ALWAYS!
Get used to it or… IMPEACH
February 6th, 2007 at 4:10 pmAGAIN??????????
That is exactly why we are going to attack Iran.
“Catastrophic Consequences Of Military Action Against Iranâ€
Comment by mehdi — February 6, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
Credit to TP was premature, how scizoid of you to reinstate my two earlier benign on topic posts only for you to flip flop and censor them again. How very Progressive of you. I contribute here daily. Why the selective deletions? Kinda pathetic.
Comment by Your Conscience — February 6, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
February 6th, 2007 at 4:10 pm#26 – J, it’s over at one of those rightie blogs – hurry!!!! go find it!!!!
February 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmWhy don’t you tell us which of those Arab organizations you support. Hamas who you are implying are terrorists or Yasser Arafat’s Fatah?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI agree Juan, looks like it’s a little late for talking, going by the picture……
February 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThe Chainee War Machine doesn’t want to talk, they have the Donald Rumpsfelt “leaner meaner military” stockpile of munitions that’s just burning a hole in their bunkers…..
And my personal favorite:
US pours cluster bombs in time for Israel to scatter them in Lebanese towns for children to pick up.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:12 pmDo all of you actually think progress will be made by hiding out with each other and agreeing with each other ? “He’s a chimp.” “Yeah, he’s a chimp.” “War is bad.” “Yeah, war is bad.” “The chimp wants to start a war.” “Yeah, the chimp wants to start a war.” “The chimp is bad.” “Yeah, the chimp is bad.” God, listen to yourselves.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pmYour Conscience,
Please give TP the benefit of the doubt, there is something strange going on with TP comments today. I sparred a little with Vince P in an earlier thread and when I answered his comment, the comment had disappeared but shown up again later, only for there to be 52 comments showing up when there were actually 81. I think there’s a ghost in the machine.
On topic. Israel bombs Iran = A suicide bombing
US bomb Iran = The middle east will explode
I do not think any of the two states can afford to commit such a criminally insane act. Heed Russ Feingold and call/write to your representative.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:18 pmJohnny B – thanks? for your non-contribution. Actually, many if not most of us correspond with our elected officials all the time. Maybe you’ve noticed, from the way the last elections went, and what our representatives are trying to do in D.C. right now. If you thought you were pissing in anyone’s cornflakes with your jaded-faux-wordly comment there, I’m afraid to inform you you’ve failed.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThis administration has never acted upon any diplomatic plan to try to ease tensions anywhere. Congress should.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:28 pmWhere is the thread that discusses Hezbolluh pouring arms into Palestine to support Hamas against Fatah?
Hizbullah? What, did they say “courtesy of Oliver North” on them?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pm.
Comment by Johnny Bnot Debate — February 6, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Post #37
February 6th, 2007 at 4:34 pmand here is another great argument from the right!
Bravo, Johnny, Bravo!
Doro – I already wrote my Reps today to say they should join with Feingold and do whatever is necessary (imo only impeachment will thwart them) to put these idiots on a leash until we can get DC the rest of the way cleaned up.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“He’s a chimp.†“Yeah, he’s a chimp.†“War is bad.†“Yeah, war is bad.†“The chimp wants to start a war.†“Yeah, the chimp wants to start a war.†“The chimp is bad.†“Yeah, the chimp is bad.†God, listen to yourselves.
Listen to ourselves? None of us wrote anything like that, you just made it up and put quotes around it. Who the hell do you think you are, David Broder?
If you want to whine about people being mean to that loser in the White House, I would hope you can navigate your way to Free Republic.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pm.
At this point we should hold Democrats responsible for the direction that this administration is going. They have to stop playing politics and start the impeachment process.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:45 pmBut it is you, Mr. Baker, that is pissing into the wind. Non-binding resolution anyone?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:46 pmTalking doesn’t make you money, war does.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:51 pmMake war to make money!
But it is you, Mr. Baker, that is pissing into the wind. Non-binding resolution anyone?
Comment by Johnny B
Looks like somebody didn’t read the news today. Oh, boy!
February 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pm.
this is the first time since the begining of islam that some christians and jews like bush,chaney,blair or olmert are trying to initiate a war against shias and households of prophet.it has never been happened in the history.jews or christians had always avoided any direct conflict with the shias or households of prophet.the war in khayber in madina against jews was the only single example available in history in which prophet himself oked and participated which resulted only five or six casualties.you can not produce a single witness of war ever initiated by shias against jews or christians or against fellow muslims.what america and britain are trying to start is a new and unjustified twist in history.you can not produce a single nation on earth that has or ever had a complaint against shias.the wrong always produces worst.this is the equation of the time.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pmWell, let’s see: sadam’s Irak represented a hi threat,Iran represents a medium threat with the potential of becoming a high threat,pakistan represents a huge threat everything changes in this country,N korea a starving mad wolf,Syria,Libia,Saudi Arabia,Sudan,Nigeria,Niger,Algeria,Maroc,Yemen and Egypt are infestated with radical organizations that suports violence againsts infidels-zero tolerance twards west.Russia and China are waiting to take a profit and to became majors and dominant players in the international economical market,so somthing must be done if we like it or not,if not everything is going to change,we’ll become third world countrys.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWatch this:
February 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmhttp://lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Send it to your friends
Iran is connected to Iraq, remember…………….
February 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmthat’s cute – JB works the rope-a-dope, even as the gop crumbles and impeachment looms on the horizon…..show must go on and all that, right johnny? i’m not pissin in the wind, i’m pissin on dubbie’s pages in the history book, so the kiddies of the future can all smell the stink of his failure!!
February 6th, 2007 at 5:12 pmDoes this mean JB hasn’t found the new non-non-binding resolution yet? Or maybe he doesn’t do his own research and is just working off of yesterday’s talking points, re-re-re-re-re-re-reforwarded to him from his own proprietary network of paranoid crackers.
I know the type.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:29 pm.
“….proprietary network of paranoid crackers.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA – seriously, Texan, I’m still chucklin over that one, and with your permission I’ll share it with everyone I know.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI recommend Stephen Kinzer’s excellent book about Iran. It is about how America arranged a coup in 1953 to install the Shah. Probably most Americans think the story of Iran began with the 1979 hostage crisis, and never heard of Persepolis. This shia vs. sunni conflict has a lot of similarities to the reformation in Christianity, and is likely to be just as bloody. Bush was playing with fire when he chose to invade Iraq , and exacerbated this long simmering Religious tension. Now things are getting way out of balance.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pmAfter 911, there was a massive rally in Tehran in sympathy with America. Attacking Iran would be Madness.
Watch this: http://lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Send it to your friends
Comment by kdoug — February 6, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
thank you…
February 6th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI love it when Bush cultists rush to their keyboards and type “why not a thread on…” take your pick. Hey cultist, I could go over to Free Republic and ask why there is no thread on gay male whores visiting the Bush whitehouse but what would be the point? If you don’t like the discussion, you’re free to butt out.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:49 pmum, they left out:
turning the world against us (even moreso).
February 6th, 2007 at 6:09 pmBush believes it unlikely that a…successor will have the ‘political courage’ to undertake a military strike.â€
Don’t suppose it would do any good for someone to explain the difference between stupidity and courage to this fool. Courage would be something like having gone to ‘nam rather than spending one’s time stateside defending the coast of Alabama from the Viet Cong (although to his credit I don’t recall a successful attack on Alabama during his time there). Stupidity would be like invading a country that wasn’t a threat, sending thousands to thier graves and billions into the toliet.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:36 pmDoes anybody think that Iran, or anybody else in OPEC, will continue to sell us oil after we bomb Iran?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pmIraq…Iran…. Whats the difference ?? Both have lots of what we need… OIL.. the world is survival of the fittest… Lets stop playing games and stop trying to make our selfs look like the good guys. We are the evil ones, we are going to thier land, killing there people, and taking their resources. If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then hello dumbass…its a Freakin Duck. America is a brute savage, maming other people and destroying world in more ways than one. We elected bush becuase he can make the majority of use feel fuzzy and warm about who we really are (Cowards that love to shop and eat fast food). Not Defenders of the Free World, but Destroyers of the Free World. As long as we continue to elect Scumbag A or Scumbag B nothing will change (the sad part A and B are prechoosen). Our country must collapse in order to free the world of America’s Strangle hold. I hope for the sake our nation that we are toppled, so the uber rich neo-con ulta white racist people flee like the cowards they are to destroy someone elses country, and real americans of all races will then unite to rebuild an America that is Actually built on principle and not slavery. Nations over the world have exsisted for may times longer than Americas short life span. Countries power increases and decreases, governments change, and new order is created. Not until this happens will the world be a better place. So rest easy tonight in your well heated house and be happy that you are living in this time. Americans 100 years from now will not be so fortunate, as our generations die out we leave america with merely one weak leg to stand on.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmDoes anybody think that Iran, or anybody else in OPEC, will continue to sell us oil after we bomb Iran?
Comment by jwrjr — February 6, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
I expect President Chavez to shut off the spigot – at least temporarily. It will be costly to Venezuela, but the Chinese will pick it up. OPEC consists of mainly Sunni arab nations apart fm a few oddballs – I expect they are happier to see the higher prices and the Iranians checked by their mercenary army: the US.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:45 pmTwo more posts by Think Progress hyping a possible attack on Iran. Isn’t it ironic that liberals and Democrats are drowning out the Bush administration in the debate on attacking/invading Iran?
Everyone who doesn’t get what I’m saying: all these stories in the news and on liberal blogs about possible attacks on Iran, how does it make you feel about the Bush administration?
Now pause for a second and think about that.
Now consider the fact that of everyone in Washington, the Bush administration is being the most silent on the prospects of attacking Iran.
Prospects of attacking Iran reflects negatively on the Bush administration, which is the entire purpose of flogging them. Day, after day, after day.
The media and blogs like Think Progress are brainwashing you into believing something you’ve believed all along, that Bush is going to invade Iran, Syria, etc, etc. The only thing missing is any indication from the Bush administration that they have a desire to do so.
Scott Ritter claimed we’d be attacking Iran in June 2005. Almost two years later, it still has not happened. Ray McGovern, speaking to a Democratic audience, offered up the ghost of an impending attack on Iran 7 weeks before the 2006 congressional elections and said, “We have 7 weeks to prevent this.”
What is the motive behind the constant and deafening coverage of possible attacks on Iran?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThe motive behind constant and deafening coverage is to try and get a somnolent and apathetic public, and a weak and cowering legislature; to wake up and defuse WWIII.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmSeixon: “how does it make you feel about the Bush administration?”
The cult member tends to see everything in terms of his cult leader. People are genuinely concerned that there may be an attack on Iran. To the Bush cultist, the important thing is how that makes one feel about the dear leader.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWhen we know that we have a certified sociopath with his finger on the trigger of this war, it’s time to be scared….to be very scared!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pm#64 That’s the problem – the Bush Administration has a corner on “devious maneuvering and manipulation” so they would become mute when planning something of this magnitude. Look at Iraq – that was planned well in advance of 9/11 as everyone is beginning to realize and recognize……and with a bit of dot connection, the sheer truth about what really was the impetus for this war (the downing of the WTC) will become quite apparent….Read “The New Pearl Harbor” if you want to see what I mean……and for seconds try reading: The Imperial Presidency by Arthur Schlessinger, Jr……your skin will crawl with the sheer Orwellianism of it all. This democracy is being hijacked while we type….and we are now powerless to stop it.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmThe intellectual bankruptcy on display in Seixon’s post (#64) is evident.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThe media and blogs like Think Progress are brainwashing you into believing something you’ve believed all along, Comment by Seixon — February 6, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
If you’ve believed it all along, it isn’t brainwashing. But understanding this would require a brain to wash – alas a facility you’re devoid of.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmThe U.S. just might be gearing up for action in Iran. My brother is a major and a commmunications commander on a E-3 Sentry in the USAF and he just told me today that he is being deployed for four months…somewhere. He won’t and can’t say, but I asked: “Is it where I think you are going?” i.e. Iraq, and he said you “You probably figured it out”. If anyone knows about this aircraft then you know that we don’t currently fly these over Iraq, so it leads me to believe something is about to go down with regards to Iran. This is all pure speculation of course.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMissing from this thread is the possession by Iran of sunburn22 and yakhonts anti-ship cruise missiles. It is just possible that the Iranians could sink the 5th fleet (or any other ship that ventures into the Persian Gulf). If we bomb them and then they sink our ships what do we do next? Nuclear weapons would be the appropriate punishment for such Iranian impudence. Remember, when Hiliary and Edwards are spouting ‘all options are on the table’ that nuclear weapons are one of those options.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:22 pmWhat is the motive behind the constant and deafening coverage of possible attacks on Iran?
well, it seems to be working!… no attacks on iran yet!
to repeat:
February 6th, 2007 at 7:22 pmThe motive behind constant and deafening coverage is to try and get a somnolent and apathetic public, and a weak and cowering legislature;
to wake up and defuse WWIII. -Lutefisk @ 6:56 pm
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I doubt that Invasion is in the cards for Iran. It is significant that an Admiral is in charge of a desert war. More likely cruise missiles from ships in the Persian Gulf. Will we be manipulated into it , or just blunder into it??? We need to get out of Iraq and difuse this peril before we start world war III. Before the cuban missile crisis, JFK had read the “Guns of August” by Barbara Tuchman, about how the world blundered into World War I. I shudder to think what Bush was reading before he chose to attack Iraq and open Pandora’s box.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:29 pmBy the way, Seixon, it was widely noted in the media that Bush made a very blunt threat against Iran in the SOTU, while carefully omitting the customary qualifier about diplomacy. This was widely viewed as unusual and rather ominous in diplomatic circles.
But keep sniffing up your butt, idiot, I guess you have to hide somewhere from the truth.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmSeixon; go f*ck yourself. If Bush ever told the truth about anything, his face would crack in two and fall off his shoulders. I would not believe W if he said ‘day is light and night is dark’. He has NO ONE to blame but himself for a credibility gap that is larger than the Grand Canyon.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Of course they are gearing up for action on Iran.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pmThey have been gearing up for many years for this eventuality.
The best guess scenario was to waltz into Iraq, set up the huge permanent bases, then settle back, recharge, and begin to create the excuses to attack Iran.
And now, in spite of a total fiasco in Iraq, the war machine grinds onward……..
For years the PNAC crowd were crowing something about “real men go to Teheran”. But Seixon isn’t a real man, so he wouldn’t understand.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:37 pmIt sounds pretty good if you ask me. F’em all and turn that whole place into a sheet of glass.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:38 pmHopefully #81’s nuanced approach is in the minority.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:50 pmHELP and WARNING to all
Off topic, but as I have a great deal of respect of the intelligence on this board, I am asking for answers. Yesterday, I received a letter from Bank of America stating they will be raising my credit card interest rate to 22% March 1st unless they get a latter from me disputing this by March 1st and there after if I used the card I would be charged 22%. My payment history with all creditors is excellent – I use bill pay electronically so no one can claim they did not receive payment therefore have an excuse to raise interest rates. B of A’s reasoning is over the balance which is only 1/3 of allowed credit line. I closed my account, but what scares me the most about this whole deal – what it I had not received the letter or tossed it away as junk therefore found out in March my interest rate was 22% and it was too late to dispute. I have another card at 2.9 fixed balance transfer… is this credit card company also going to try a sneak hike in interest rate. I plan to close all cards – can these companies raise the interest rate over closing an account?
February 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pmI plan to write to my congressperson and get this story out to warn all.
bush&gang don’t listen and won’t listen now-they are on their warpath and taking the world with them-misery loves company.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:33 pm#83: ALL credit card companies WILL try to rip you off in any and every way possible. It’s what they DO. They are USURERS.
Now, where are all the fundagelical wingnuts who usually scream about how this or that is “contrary to the Bible and God’s Will?” Usury most emphatically IS contrary to the Bible – it’s explicitly forbidden AND denounced in several places.
But of course it’s Big Bidness, so the fundagelical wingnuts will just shut up and kiss up.
And they’ll keep on screaming for “WAR, WAR, WAR – Kill all the infidels in God’s Holy Name!” (There, I dragged the thread back on topic!)
February 6th, 2007 at 8:41 pmSo now that answers one major question: How bad of a blunder is it to attack Iran?
February 6th, 2007 at 8:43 pmI agree with James Fallows, in his Atlantic article…Congress must authorize NO MONEY and NO ENDORSEMENT for military action against Iran, before we blunder into a catastrophe worse than in Iraq.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:45 pmTP will delete this before many can read it. It seems that TP will allow a sicko to hijack user’s names to promote child molestation while deleting complaints about it.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:01 pmOne likely consequence of a US attack on Iran not mentioned is the quick withdrawal of NATO and other coalition forces from both Afghanistan and Iraq and the collapse of any international support for the US outside of Israel. Probably the only discussion still in play in the WH is whether to go nuclear or conventional.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:07 pm# 74 Badger… You are correct. I think we can all agree that if Bush were president in October of 1961, the earth would be still a simmering wasteland.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:23 pmGod help us every one.
I like how the B of A credit issue comes up in the war against Iran thread.
THese two complaints are the same issue. Look at the banking industry, look at the neo cons (wolfawitz). what do they have in common?
those people who plot to finance you, and those people who plan wars and support the policy of Israel are one and the same.
iraq, 911, WW1, WW2, mandatory insurance, marxism, complete control of US media. same folks
Bush is a pawn. placed where he is. go find out about
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc/04-29-46.htm
streicher, what did he ever do?
go seek find.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:49 amWe have no total success in Afghanstan,the Taliban are cmoing back and growing in numbers, we have no success in Iraq after 4 years of fighting in Iraqi cities streets ; hundreds of billions spent on both wars…what makes us think we will win by starting a third war with Iran..the strongest,the most populated and the largest in size.
We look like a gambler on the table who keeps losing,and decided finally
February 7th, 2007 at 9:08 amto put everything he got in his pocket on the table hoping that he will recover some of his losses,but losing it all strtegically is a big possiblity.
Iran sucks, exterminate those carpet sellers!
February 7th, 2007 at 3:16 pmSo “Truth Teller” (love the irony), you are now a mass murderer? How freely right-wing-nut loons expose themselves as criminals.
The military draft starts the day after the NeoCriminals attack Iran. Kiss your kids goodbye.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:02 pmJack
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April 1st, 2008 at 2:47 am