O’Reilly And Beck Agree: We’re ‘Afraid’ To Have ‘A Lot Of African-American Friends’
O’Reilly And Beck Agree: We’re ‘Afraid’ To Have ‘A Lot Of African-American Friends’
Last night on Fox News, Bill O’Reilly led a discussion about Sen. Joe Biden’s (D-DE) racially-insensitive remarks toward Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). But instead of exlusively focusing on why the remarks were condescending to African-Americans, he said blacks should “feel sorry for us white folks here, because I’m telling you now I’m afraid to say anything. … White Americans are terrified.” Watch it:
My Two Sense points out that CNN’s Glenn Beck hosted a similar discussion last night, during which he said, “I don’t have a lot of African-American friends, and I think part of it is because I’m afraid that I would be in an open conversation, and I would say something that somebody would take wrong, and then it would be a nightmare.” Watch it:
As The New York Times’s Lynette Clemetson notes, “When whites use the word [articulate] in reference to blacks, it often carries a subtext of amazement, even bewilderment. … Such a subtext is inherently offensive because it suggests that the recipient of the ‘compliment’ is notably different from other black people.”
Transcripts below:
O’REILLY: Now you got to feel sorry for us white folks here, because I’m telling you now I’m afraid to say anything. You know, you’re an articulate guy, doctor, but I’m never going to say that. You’re a smart guy. Is that bad if I say you’re a smart guy? … Yes, absolutely, instead of black and white Americans coming together, white Americans are terrified. They’re terrified. Now we can’t even say you’re articulate? We can’t even give you guys compliments because they may be taken as condescension?
BECK: You know, Shelby, I don’t know if anybody else in the audience — oh, this is just going to be a blog nightmare over the next few days. But let me just be honest and play my cards face up on the table.
I was thinking about this just last week. I don’t have a lot of African-American friends, and I think part of it is because I’m afraid that I would be in an open conversation, and I would say something that somebody would take wrong, and then it would be a nightmare. Am I alone in feeling that?
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Why don’t they just come out and admit they’re members of the KKK.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:14 pmHow tone deaf do these people have to be? The insensitivity/stupidity is astounding.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pmNow what self respecting African American man or woman would want to be anywhere near either of these contempable bozos?
February 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIt’s so considerate of O’Reilly and Beck - super-polite, really - to admit how racist they are. That way, there’s no misunderstanding, no shattered expectations, no one gets hurt — well not directly, anyway. Now back to their regularly scheduled hating.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:15 pmwe’re over in the anti escalation vote thread and tp posts us some tv crap from faux news; just when we were getting to how TP is not actaully a progressive site, but a dem site, we are given fox news as a topic? whatever
February 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAt least Beck knows his limitations… He would say something stupid. The only problem is he’s the one who misunderstands it’s meaning and impact - or he doesn’t care.
Racism is racism - whether by ignorance or choice.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pmDid any of you watch the shows?
February 6th, 2007 at 2:19 pmnotice Beck says “this will be a blog nightmare”.
welcome to your nightmare. MUHAHAHAHA.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWTF!!! ” I’m afraid to say anything!” What kind of argument is this.
No Bill/Glenn, you dont have Black freinds because your racist!
February 6th, 2007 at 2:21 pmIf O’Liely and Beck can’t trust themselves enough to speak then they should keep their foolish mouths closed! I suppose when one has bigotry so engrained, it is impossible to realize that your words may be inflammatory…..but then, all anchors on Faux News open mouth and insert foot. There’s nothing there between the ears and it’s becoming increasingly more apparent to viewers who are feeling sorry for the poor sots. Got a loofah, Bill??? whoops I dropped the soap….
February 6th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIDIOTS!!!
There are trailer park white folk down here in Texas who you might say are verbally challenged, (actually quite a few folks here are, I’m not as dad is from Ohio), folks that are educated and traveled, not so much. Expecting black folk from the hood, or those who are uneducated, or live in that type of enviroment to speak like Obama Barack or Colin Powell is unrealistic. What is our presidents excuse, he is a YALE graduate.
I don’t often agree with O’Liely but I respect his credentials and he is a GOOD speaker. Beck is a good speaker too, just hard to digest, unless he is doing the soft stuff like he did with Janice Dickenson as guest one night. That was a good show!
Glenn and Bill, you NEED some black friends, don’t know what you are missing…
February 6th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“I’m afraid to say anything”……the answer to that is quite simple: DON’T EVEN OPEN YOUR FOUL LITTLE TRAPS!
February 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm#
Did any of you watch the shows?
Comment by Kevin — February 6, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Only when I need a good laxative. Otherwise no. Did you watch Olbermann? or the Daily Show last night?
February 6th, 2007 at 2:25 pmDid you watch the shows, Kevin?
February 6th, 2007 at 2:25 pmis it racist to say that i wish all rap on tv had subtitles so that i could understand what they are saying? even m&m…
February 6th, 2007 at 2:26 pmis it?
Did the rightwing hacks mention that Bush made similar comments about Obama??!? ha!
February 6th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI watched O’Reilly. First of all, he was talking about the flack Bush (not Biden) has been getting for saying that Obama was articulate. That “articulate†is some sort of code word that is some sort of racial slur. But as you know, it depends on who said it. Biden get’s a free pass.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pmNo Katy,
That means you are as old as I am… :)
February 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pmExpecting black folk from the hood, or those who are uneducated, or live in that type of enviroment to speak like Obama Barack or Colin Powell is unrealistic. What is our presidents excuse, he is a YALE graduate.
…
Comment by Texas Juice — February 6, 2007 @ 2:23 pm
i think that is an excellent point, and so obvious…
February 6th, 2007 at 2:29 pmwhite or black or blue or green - EDUCATION matters.
and again, obvious, the degree doesn’t.
Do these guys even get out and see America? Seriously, where have they been living. Republicans are so isolated, it’s not even funny. In their own little bubble, with a bunch of yes men.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:30 pmNo. But I’m not making rash statements about the show without watching it ether,
February 6th, 2007 at 2:31 pmKevin,
Biden doesn’t get a free pass.
Are you saying our president should???
February 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pmRacism is racism - whether by ignorance or choice.
Comment by Technodaoist — February 6, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
No. Ignorance only needs to be corrected. The choice (or willfull ignorance) needs to be mercilessly stepped on. Make sure exactly what you are arguing about before you open your mouth. If Biden is just ignorant, then this whole issue shouldn’t even have happened. There are plenty of reasons to hate Biden. I don’t need to make up one.
On the other hand, if he was motivated to be racially “indelicate” and just misplaced the line somewhere, then he should be kicked in the face several times. Either way, the discussion is pointless. We know what he said, and since he’s a politician, so we can’t trust what HE says about why he said it, so…. end of story, we can all not vote for him next time and go on about our business.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pmSo Beck was afraid to say something in an open conversation but says that on national TV. Why don’t I believe him.
Excellent point Texas Juice. Wouldn’t you agree Kevin?
February 6th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#
No. But I’m not making rash statements about the show without watching it ether,
Comment by Kevin — February 6, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Just pointing out the absurdity of your comments Kevin, jeez drop the chip on your shoulder. Face it watching the show, when these kind of statements are made is irrelevant. I realize that you need to fear something, but you have a wide range of choices, Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, Gays. Perhaps just pick one, be alot simpler at least.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:36 pmSo, we’ve returned to the late 60’s, early 70’s.
First off, we’ve recreated a horrific war in which hundreds of thousands of people are murdered through our direct actions or due to our creation and that no one can justify yet everyone is an expert on how to finish it so that we can retain our “honor”.
Next we are recreating the race issues. The only variance is that now the racist mantra is not “some of my best friends are nigg*rs”, but has been changed to “I can’t have nigg*rs as friends because it will probably expose my racism”.
And then instead of the ozone and pollution crisis, we now have the global warming and space pollution crisis.
Gee, all we have to do now is have the economy go to sh*t. Oh, wait…
February 6th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYes he did. If any conservative senator had said what Biden said, you all would have asked for his head and his resignation.
No, The President should not get a free pass. But calling a black man articulate is not a racial slur. It’s a complement.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:40 pmNo. Ignorance only needs to be corrected. The choice (or willfull ignorance) needs to be mercilessly stepped on.
Comment by swordsbane
You are speaking of methods of dealing with racism. I was not. Your own statements indicate there are different types and reasons for racism. That was all my stament said. Make sure exactly what you are arguing about before you open your mouth.
In order to clarify what we are discussing. Are your comments re: biden directed at me? I think you are reading several posts and responding to them all at once… but I’m not sure so I ask.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:40 pmThis is all too bad. I think Biden is the most qualified of the Dem candidates that I’ve seen so far (which isn’t saying much), but it appears that he’s been stopped before he even started.
I was told that CNN always refers to Obama with his middle name - Barak Hussein Obama - is that true?
I don’t care about his skin color, just his appearance as Del in the Crying Game.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:40 pmWere Sen. Biden’s remarks honestly racially insensitive? C’mon…get over it.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:43 pm“No. But I’m not making rash statements about the show without watching it ether”
sometimes really stupid comments don’t need a larger context for a closer examination, especially when the people making them have long records of saying things that are unquestionably stupid and offensive.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThis has nothing to do with fear. It has to do with liberal/progressives calling anyone that does not agree with them a raciest.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pmI don’t care about his skin color
February 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pmComment by Jason Misogynist Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Total Bull Crap from one of the biggest racist on this blog.
Again, Bull Crap!
you had me at “I think Biden is the most qualified of the Dem candidates.” idiot.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pmAnyone notice how clean and articulate those Christians Beck and O’Rielly are?
February 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI don’t care about his skin color, just his appearance as Del in the Crying Game.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Racists don’t need skin color to hate… They rationalize it any way they can.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#7 - No Kev, and I don’t do meth either, for much the same reason
What’s with the sudden storm of big, stinky Red Herring getting tossed around all over the place. It’s obviously the result of the rightpundits getting together with Tony Snow to construct a media gameplan to help out the President (for whom they all have latent homosexual cravings) There’s a war on the needs to be stopped, a band of wacked-out radicals controlling our Gov’t and Military, and a hell of lot higher priorities to deal with.
Losers like Beck and OReilly need to either keep treading water in the deep end, or get out of the pool -
Losers like Kev and Hendler can live on a diet of red herring all they want. Real Americans shouldn’t have to.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:50 pmI am clean and articulate, and I am not even black.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:51 pmNo Katy,
That means you are as old as I am… :)
Comment by Technodaoist — February 6, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
whew! so glad to know that…
i’m really not racist… but my lily-white upbringing in my lily-white region of illinois has had an unfortunate affect on some of my initial reactions to many events and circumstances… i never really understood the racism that was just a fact of life around me - until i moved away and lived and worked among black and other races in a larger city… then i understood why there is racism… but i also then understood why it is so WRONG…
and my kids helped to further develop my sense of civil righteousness, as they grew up more tolerant and moved on to college (i didn’t) where racial diversity is just a given…
but, you know, i still have no idea what mick jagger is saying in parts of jumpin’ jack flash, among others… heh…
February 6th, 2007 at 2:55 pmI am clean and articulate, and I am not even black.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Once again - Jason M. Hendler becomes the Alan Smithee of TP…
It only illustrates the foolishness of his own statements all the better.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pmO’stupid-o is just another tool of the wealthy, American royalty. And Bill is not invited to the Bilderbergs.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHear that ladies, Jason says he’s well-groomed. Don’t fall all over yourselves getting to him.
February 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pmI am clean and articulate, and I am not even black. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 2:51 pm
At least that’s what my crazy momma says. You all know me to be a smelly, inarticulate, bigoted, homophobic and misogynistic prick. That’s why I keep making these hateful comments, and think you people are wrong for criticizing me! I’m a scrawny little Aspergers Cracker, that’s too stupid to know what a fool I am! Fear me, I am white!
February 6th, 2007 at 2:58 pmI don’t care about his skin color, just his appearance as Del in the Crying Game. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Not to be confused with my appearance on Dateline’s to catch a predator!
February 6th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#42, For Truth,
Assuming you are a woman, I will shave if you do ;).
February 6th, 2007 at 3:01 pmOnly white guys with small weiners are afraid to have a black friend.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:03 pmAssuming you are a woman, I will shave if you do ;).
Comment by Jason Misogynist Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:01
Oh Geez! I think I just threw up in my mouth
February 6th, 2007 at 3:04 pmAssuming you are a woman, I will shave if you do ;). Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
But I’ll need to start with my palms, since I’m a Neanderthal sexist fool.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:05 pmKevin,
Missed your reply about Biden.
We apparently have differing definitions of “Free Pass”. It is kind of subjective, I suppose. Biden was criticized. Biden was mocked. Biden screwed up his candidacy the day he announced it. No one needed his head, because it was obvious he’d already lost it…
Sorry everybody for shifting the topic, but racism knows no skin color… It should be confronted in all its forms.
Beck and O’Reilly still suck.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:05 pmOnly white guys with small weiners are afraid to have a black friend. Comment by ForTruth — February 6, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
How did you know why I was still single, and hated women so much?
February 6th, 2007 at 3:05 pmJason I’m a man. I already shaved today. And you give me the creeps.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pmOnly white guys with small weiners are afraid to have a black friend.
Comment by ForTruth
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
So THAT’s why I get along with everyone!!!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:07 pmWow, not only do you have a feminazi attempting to emasculate men, but you now have a strawman feeding you the responses you crave ….
February 6th, 2007 at 3:10 pmEveryone notice how Jason Ignores me, like most good conservatives? It’s easier to be a hate filled self righteous bigoted prick when you ignore your conscience!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:11 pm#51, ForTruth,
You are a man? Wow, your opinions, diction and tenor caused me to think you were female - my bad.
#52, Techno,
True or not, that is too much information.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pm“I don’t have a lot of African-American friends…”
and they don’t even realize that it is not by THEIR choice.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThe tragedy is that due to our society’s intolerance of Accidentally Externalized Racsim Syndrome, there are some perfectly lovely Negroes out there being deprived of the friendships of Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly.
Just further proof that the Liberal oppression of White Men also hurts those of less fortunate coloration.
I hope Bill and Glenn will bravely risk the personal comfort that is the God-given Right of Rich White Men — and reach out to some Persons of Color, whether they deserve it or not.
God bless you, Glenn and Bill.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWow, not only do you have a feminazi attempting to emasculate men, but you now have a strawman feeding you the responses you crave …. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Only white men with little weiners and no girlfriends think a strong woman is a feminazi. Oh wait, that defines jason doesn’t it?
Just remember everyone, when you’re a depraved lunatic, it’s everyone else that’s wrong, and that’s why you’re single, miserable, and so full of bile! It’s not because you’re a crazed lunatic, with the social skills of noodle. It’s because everyone else is a feminazi!
See how easy that is!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:13 pmOh, and to all you ignorant racists out there, do you like apples?
You see, sometime in the next 5 to 10 years your “race” will become the minority. Yep, that means that the black, brown, yellow, and red folk will be in the majority and will assume power over EVERYTHING. Of course, I’m sure that they will be every bit as sensitive, inclusive, and understanding as you whities have been while you’ve been the “majority”.
So, how do you like them apples?
(h/t to Goodwill Hunting for the best set up ever)
February 6th, 2007 at 3:14 pmFor everyone that didn’t guess, what I crave is ‘Del from the Crying Game’. I know I’m screwed up, but that’s why I’m still single, and think hate is the new love!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWow, not only do you have a feminazi attempting to emasculate men
Comment by Jason Misogynist Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Care to back that up as to whom you are refering to?
you now have a strawman feeding you the responses you crave
February 6th, 2007 at 3:15 pmUhhhh, what?
Yup Jason I’ve been a male all my life.
When were you planning on becoming a man?
February 6th, 2007 at 3:16 pmHey, Urban Heat, I don’t care who you think is the best Democrat. I don’t remember you being elected or selected as a Democratic leader or consultant.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:16 pmfor truth - know that the ladies of TP have never had any doubt about your gender… must be just those who are confused about their own…
February 6th, 2007 at 3:18 pmLOL too funny Jason, I happen to like strong willed women, the sex is better.
hehe
February 6th, 2007 at 3:19 pmJason blames the feminism movement for his inability to get some trim.
Trust me Jasey, there are plenty of “traditional” women out there who want to fit the stereotypical role. Funny thing is Jasper, this is the last place you would find any.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:20 pmThanks Katy,
I feel secure now again. Phew.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#63, PLC,
I remember Biden sitting on a Senate panel, asking Bank of America why they were charging their customers a fee everytime they withdrew money from and ATM, when the bank was holding and earning interest on that money through loans they were making. He made BofA look like the jerks they were. After that, I really liked him.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:24 pm#65, Krazny,
That is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSome of those Republicans are articulate -they only sleep with their siblings some of the time!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:26 pmYou are a man? Wow, your opinions, diction and tenor caused me to think you were female - my bad.
Really? You were confused about this:
Hear that ladies, Jason says he’s well-groomed. Don’t fall all over yourselves getting to him.
Comment by ForTruth — February 6, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
Wow, only a lonely male living vicariously through blogs on the internets could ascertain that ForTruth was a woman. Had he said, Let’s not fall all over ourselves getting to him, then you would have a case.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:27 pmDude, it’s gotta be the Ivy League Stanford Education!
That is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
and you STILL didn’t figure it out??? …
February 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pmyou can’t even take a hint, let alone understand directions…
white Americans are terrified. They’re terrified. Now we can’t even say you’re articulate?
::sigh::
Yeah, those poor, poor, oppresed white men. There is no end to their suffering, is there?
On top of economic depravation, the humiliation of living in fear, terror of saying something bad about minorities. Unless they’re in front of a microphone. Then it’s ok.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:31 pmWhat black person in his or her right mind would want to be friends with people like Beck or O’Reilly?
February 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThat is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Can’t blame them though, when you’re a fumbling fool that can’t do anything right though. Wait, who do I know that acts that way. Just sayin’ it explains the hatred of women, doesn’t it? Or maybe it’s just the asperbers that makes me so stupid to basic social cues that I actually think everyone else is wrong. Fool that I am, how could I possibly come to grips with my complete and utter failure as a man. It’s the women’s fault that they think I’m a creepy serial rapist and child molester.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#65, Krazny,
That is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
If that is what you think sex ought to be, then there is a reason your not getting laid.
PS the Del thing from the crying game is old, and stale, if you check that would also mean Barack Obama played the sun god Ra in Stargate.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“That is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.”
is that from one of o’reilly’s “books”? or is it from one of his calls to his coworkers?
February 6th, 2007 at 3:33 pmYou are a man? Wow, your opinions, diction and tenor caused me to think you were female - my bad. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
Because I have poor diction, and a bitchy tenor, I assume that anyone that acts masculine is a woman. See how that works?
And people wonder why the whole world thinks I’m a gay man!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:34 pmFrightened little white men?
Wow, I’m surprised. Wait a minute, no I’m not.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:36 pm.
If that is what you think sex ought to be, then there is a reason your not getting laid. Comment by Krazny — February 6, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
The reason my boy Jason is not getting laid, is that he has a severe case of Aspergers, coupled with a bad case of parenting, resulting in a boy so Creepy and Wierd women think he’s either a stalker or a child molester. But don’t look on his computer, his kiddie porn collection has to be returned to Mark Foley soon!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:37 pmThat is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
There really is such thing as a talking donkey. Damn.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:39 pmI think Jason is actually asking for help. I’ve educated him on some female topics before. I hope he learned something.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#76, Krazny,
Good catch (no pun intended).
Not only does Barack look like that effeminate transvestite actor, but he resembles the carvings / glyphs of Akenhaten, the egyption pharoah suspected of being a hermaphrodite (now termed chimerism).
February 6th, 2007 at 3:40 pmOne would think my “dick-shun” would say it all.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:41 pmJason,
I was pointing out to you, that Barack Obama, did not play the characters in either movie. It was an actor named Jay something, you can look it up on imdb.com. I realize you want to make him appear effeminate, but truth is he doesn’t.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pmThat is no surprise - they tell you to hold still while they do it right.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
Okay, my little virgin bud, the next time you’re with a woman, t……(smirk) te…..(bfffttt!)(smirk!)(bfffftttt!!!!)
Hold on 1 second……
Whew. I’m back.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:45 pm…tell her you just want to “hold still”. Yeah, women just adore it when you hold still during a heated, passionate round of horizontal.
You’ve so much to learn
oops, that’s spelled Akhenaten, who landed Nefertiti, second only to Helen of Troy for her famed beauty …
February 6th, 2007 at 3:49 pmNot only does Barack look like that effeminate transvestite actor, but he resembles the carvings / glyphs of Akenhaten, the egyption pharoah suspected of being a hermaphrodite (now termed chimerism).
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Jason has a CRUSH on Obama - how cute! Only a closet gay man would think someone as manly as Obama looks like a potential mate!
Come out of the Closet Jason!!!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pm“I don’t have a lot of African-American friends, and I think part of it is because I’m afraid that I would be in an open conversation, and I would say something that somebody would take wrong, and then it would be a nightmare.â€
So gated communities aren’t enough for these closet racists. They cordon off their circle of friends, just in case something offensive might slip out. Of course, there’s also the cluelessness in recognizing that when some (most?) white people hear something offensive said about black people, they’re often offended by it too. Good God, O’Reilly and Beck are such morons, even for Irishmen–oops! Sorry! Please don’t take that the wrong way!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:50 pmoops, that’s spelled Akhenaten, who landed Nefertiti, second only to Helen of Troy for her famed beauty … Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Yet he got laid, and you can’t. How SAD for you!
February 6th, 2007 at 3:51 pmJason,
What is with your obsession with masculinity? Take this comment, for instance:
[…] not only do you have a feminazi attempting to emasculate men […]
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
I don’t know exactly who you are talking about, but I assume by “you have” you mean to say “people in this blog”. If that is so -get a clue. It’s a blog. There is no possible way anyone can emasculate men here, on “the internets”.
You may want to stop using this line; it makes your masculinity (or rather, your own sense of it) sound a tad, well, frail.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:53 pmAfter some research on the term hermaphrodite on wikipedia, it is now known as chimerism, but the general term that covers all those conditions is intersex.
Barack Hussein Obama resembles individuals who portray, or are suspected of being, intersex.
February 6th, 2007 at 3:57 pmOh, and Jason,
It is most puzzling that you should try to associate Obama with “effeminate” -he is married (to a woman) and is a father of two (I think it’s two. Could be more, I am not sure).
February 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThe only people “afraid” to be around black people are bigotted a$$holes.
Who watches these guys??
February 6th, 2007 at 3:59 pmBarack Hussein Obama resembles individuals who portray, or are suspected of being, intersex.
Comment by Jason Misogynist Hendler — February 6, 2007
Only in your demented little world, Jason. Only in your demented… little… world.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:02 pmJason is very stereotypical when it comes to genders. He must have a narrow view of that sort of thing. He thinks articulate, compassionate men, who take a shower must be gay.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pmWell, looks like they at least
have their talking points
synched up nice and sweet.
Strange, It never even occurred to
me to have to watch what I say to or
around any of my black friends! Well,
maybe that’s because I’m not a racist
or a bigot or a coward.
I guess when you actually HAVE
February 6th, 2007 at 4:03 pmblack friends, you realize they’re
not so different and scary after all!
I think saying a black person is “articulate” is a slur in that is ASSUMES that, because they’re black, they’re usually NOT articulate. Sort of how you have to say “Bob the Republican is an ok guy, very open minded.”
February 6th, 2007 at 4:05 pmO’Lielly and Beck the Fly-Speck typify the worst in American Society of the kind of tintype demagogue who fans the flames of race and class hatred and try to portray themselves as “just one of the guys” who
February 6th, 2007 at 4:07 pmwould want you to have a beer and chat with them at the local tavern–YEAH, WEARING THOUSAND PLUS DOLLAR JOSEPH ABBOUD(tm) SUITS AND A WARDROBE THAT COULD FEED STARVING PEOPLE IN AMERICA FOR A YEAR…SMACKS OF HYPER-HYPOCRISY TO ME…O’Lielly and Beck should be flushed down the toilet to join the other OFFAL like Ann Coulter-geist, Michelle Malkin, Victor Davis Hanson, Charles Krauthammer, Melanie Morgan, Tony Blankley, Pat Buchanan, Ed Rogers, Bill Kristol, other repugnant-repubs(republican)SCUM in the sewers of forgotten IDIOT-logues and Jingoistic Fascist EXCREMENT!
Barack Hussein Obama resembles individuals who portray, or are suspected of being, intersex. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Poor Jason, sees one movie about an intersexed man, and produces an entire stereotype and obsession with people that look like the ‘actor’ in the movie! The ‘assbergers’ really makes Jason quite the a** doesn’t it?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe only way Jason can reconcile finding Obama sexually appealing, is to categorize him as effeminate. It never dawned on Jason, that he might be the effeminate one! Poor thing!
February 6th, 2007 at 4:09 pm#98, KikiD,
Let me ask a simple question?
Is it possible, that in stating “Barack is articulate”, doesn’t imply that blacks generally can’t be articulate, but that blacks generally aren’t? and in so stating that, is that racist?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:11 pmMaybe they’ve been around the block too many times, been screwed too many times, and it just ain’t in thier “nay-cha”. I have black friends and rule-of-thumb is -and should always be- treat each other as equals. What’s so freaking hard about that? Unless, of course, you’re superficial and insincere. Then, it’s a real problem.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:12 pmNot to defend them, but I think their points are simply that it’s often a minefield when race enters the conversation. I mean, I’d like to think that I’m about as non-racist as possbile, but one of Obama’s biggest strengths is that he’s an extremely articulate guy, and he’s got amazing charisma.
Now, I don’t mean that in the “articulate for a black guy” sense, I mean “articulate for a human being”. I think it’s a perfectly apt description of Obama and one that has nothing whatsoever to do with his race.
However, according to Lynette Clemetson, if I happened to be a public figure and described him as articulate, I’d suddenly be racist and condescending. Even Biden’s comments of Obama being “clean” — what if he just meant in the political sense of being free from any baggage? There are plenty of white politicians that I wouldn’t describe as being clean, so that strikes me as a perfectly reasonable description of a relative newcomer to the political scene.
Again, not to defend those guys, but there does seem to be an inordinate number of “code words” that somehow mean that you’re racist, and since I’m pretty sure I’m not aware of every single one of them, it’s really like a minefield when discussions of race come up. If you were a political figure, would you risk discussing it? And if you wouldn’t, doesn’t the blogosphere’s desire to jump down anyone’s throat who even APPEARS to have said something that MIGHT be racially-insensitive actually hurt our ability to have a open, honest discussion on race in America?
February 6th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“Oh, he’s so articulate. He speaks so well. He talks so well. That’s what people say about retarded people!” - Chris Rock in reference to white folk speaking about Colin Powell circa 1996 (I think).
February 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWell, believe me when I say that Bush is INARTICULATE and looks like a pointy-eared, cross-eyed pink monkey. Now, that’s rude, but true.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:33 pmJason M. Hendler
How did you get to be such an expert on homosexuality throughout history.
Was that your major or minor, or just extra credit.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:36 pmI want Glennn and Billl to have Carlos Mencia on as a guest to discuss issues of race.
Other than that, I want the red herring cleared from the damned table. There is much work to be done, a President to impeach, and a BUNCH of republican’ts to forever marginalize, and the discussions that beck oreilly and limbaugh have started are NOTHING BUT SMOKE AND RED HERRING.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYou see, sometime in the next 5 to 10 years your “race†will become the minority.
Comment by Tuber
In this planet, white people are a minority.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:41 pmIs it possible, that in stating “Barack is articulateâ€, doesn’t imply that blacks generally can’t be articulate, but that blacks generally aren’t? and in so stating that, is that racist? Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
You don’t know many black people do you? What a homophobic, racists and stupid bigot Jason is.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI went skiing on Sunday at our local ski area. There were more non-English speaking people than English speaking people. (It wasn’t all Spanish either). I think we need to get real used to that. I don’t think it can be stopped. Their money is as green as anyone’s.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pmIn Mexico and Argentina, personal experience, bumping into a black person is a strange, almost fascinating event. It is like looking a person from a far far land. People always stare at a black person with curiosity. Must be like Rwandan kids looking at the white doctor from Europe.
In Mexico, I dont think that anyone is racist against black people, I guess we are busy being racists with natives. In Argentina, women are crazy about black guys and men are crazy about black women. There are more black people in Argentina than in Mexico, because of brazilians and columbians. Negro is a common word to call black people and nobody see this as an insulting word, not even the black person. It is pretty much like calling one as fattie, skinnie, shortie, etc, which in spanish words are like tender words to describe that person, almost never used as an insult. This is an non-issue in these countries.
February 6th, 2007 at 4:58 pmIn Latin countries I am “Flaco”. Its a nice word.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:01 pmYou don’t know many black people do you? What a homophobic, racists and stupid bigot Jason is.
What’s so racist about noting that the portion of the American population that can be considered “articulate” is pretty substantially white? Is it racist to note that white kids have better test scores than black kids too?
Again, pointing out differences between races isn’t inherently racist, and calling people names when they do so just makes people want to avoid the subject entirely.
There’s a difference between saying that “Blacks are inherently less articulate than whites” and “Blacks in general are less articulate than whites”.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:05 pmAgain, pointing out differences between races isn’t inherently racist, and calling people names when they do so just makes people want to avoid the subject entirely. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Actually it is, because it’s anecdotal, stereotyping, and in fact the very basis of racism and bigotry. The reason you avoid the subject in real life, is because you are a bigot, and you get called on it.
There’s a difference between saying that “Blacks are inherently less articulate than whites†and “Blacks in general are less articulate than whitesâ€. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Yeah, one is eugenics, the other is good old fashioned cracker bigotry and ignorance.
Thanks for continuing to prove what a bunch of racist bigots you are.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmWhat’s so racist about noting that the portion of the American population that can be considered “articulate†is pretty substantially white? Is it racist to note that white kids have better test scores than black kids too?
Comment by EvilCornbread
Idiocy and a complete lack of social history sense.
Why do you think that jewish, germans, russians, english, scottish people have contributed so much to science, technology and culture since the Industrial Revolution for example? Becuz they have the opportunity to educate themselves in some way. Now, do you think that sub-saharan boys have the same opportunity to attend school or they just are lazy people who enjoy spending most of their time finding something to eat in the garbage?
Kids who dont have to worry about food, paying rent, transportation to school, books and tuition fees, probably will do better in SCHOOL, than those that do have to WORRY. What an idiot you are. BTW, do you know which country has the highest percentage of genius kids? India.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:14 pmI am caucasian. I talked to another caucasian guy from Tennessee the other day, and could not understand a word he said. He was, in fact, very inarticulate. I have also spoken to other Southern white folks who I couldn’t understand on the phone. There are those white folks in New England states who are very difficult to understand for a native midwesterner like me. Therefore, Cornbread, your argument is wrongheaded, because you’re looking selectively at only one piece of the picture, which does not surprise me, based on my understanding of troll culture.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:19 pmIdiocy and a complete lack of social history sense.
If you’d take a moment to stop and think before kneejerking and clicking submit, you’d realize that you’re just supporting my point.
There are all sorts of social and economical reasons why white kids, in general, have higher test scores than black kids. That doesn’t make it not true. And it doesn’t make me a racist for mentioning it. Likewise for “articulateness”, which I’m fairly confident correlates strongly with educational performance.
Hell, if you support affirmative action, aren’t you inherently acknowledging that there are clear and well-defined differences or inequalities between the status of different races?
Yeah, one is eugenics, the other is good old fashioned cracker bigotry and ignorance.
Wait, do you honestly believe that there are just as many people who would generally be considered “articulate” that are black as white? I have a very hard time believing that — not because of any inherent deficiency in black people, but simply because of historical and continuing inequalities of opportunity. If you actually believe that’s true, I think the “ignorant” moniker would fit you far more than it would fit me.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:37 pm“The insensitivity/stupidity is astounding”
It is? I don’t get it. Please explain?
February 6th, 2007 at 5:42 pm“It’s so considerate of O’Reilly and Beck - super-polite, really - to admit how racist they are”
I didn’t get that and I watched O’Reilly last night. Where was he displaying anything racist?
February 6th, 2007 at 5:44 pmLikewise for “articulatenessâ€, which I’m fairly confident correlates strongly with educational performance.
That’s your anecdotal bigotry and stereotyping again. Verbal skills are often a factor of the person’s innate skills. Many highly articulate people are completely or nearly illiterate.
Many literate people like yourself, are seemingly incompetent to think, reason or ‘articulate’ a rational argument. See how that works, cracker?
Wait, do you honestly believe that there are just as many people who would generally be considered “articulate†that are black as white? Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Making suppositions based on your own anecdotal experience is the very definition of stereotyping and bigotry.
I have a very hard time believing that — not because of any inherent deficiency in black people, but simply because of historical and continuing inequalities of opportunity.
Economic and Educational Opportunities don’t constitute or even relate to articulate speech. I refer you to exhibit A., President Bush, a graduate of both Harvard and Yale. Educated, but utterly inarticulate. Obama went to the same university - and he’s articulate.
If you actually believe that’s true, I think the “ignorant†moniker would fit you far more than it would fit me. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
That’s what you get for falsely believing you’re thinking about the issue. It’s also why you’re a bigot.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:48 pm#117: Therefore, Cornbread, your argument is wrongheaded, because you’re looking selectively at only one piece of the picture, which does not surprise me, based on my understanding of troll culture.
In fact, you’ll note that I’ve always made assertions in the general case. I’ve intentionally NOT been selective in my assertions. You, however, have selectively chosen two examples in an attempt to “disprove” my point, which logically doesn’t make any sense (two counterexamples isn’t sufficient to disprove a generalized assertion).
Of course there are white people who are inarticulate. Most are, in fact. Articulateness isn’t exactly a common trait.
However, just to be clear, I’m making the following assertion:
1. Articulateness tends to correlate to the affluent due to it being a more desired attribute (note the distributions of things like high school debate clubs).
2. White people are, in general, more affluent than black people.
Neither of those statements are particularly controversial, at least IMO.
Therefore white people are more likely to value attributes like articulateness, and you’ll see more articulate white people than articulate black people.
Again, I’m not asserting that this is because of any inherent flaw in black people, but, much like test scores, is probably due to socio-economic-related differences in opportunity.
PS - why is it that anyone that disagrees with someone considered a troll? Unlike you, I’ve made no personal attacks, I’ve remained emotionless, and been factual and logical. Disagreement does not equate with “trollhood”.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pm#120,
Time to go back to your trailer, I think Nancy Grace is about to come on and I think her guest is the “cured” Rev Haggard. You surely don’t want to miss that.
Oh, and be sure to say “hello” to you father and your cousin when you see him.
Bye.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pmIt is? I don’t get it. Please explain? Comment by michael — February 6, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
If only you had the capacity to learn, this would be possible.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:01 pmI didn’t get that and I watched O’Reilly last night. Where was he displaying anything racist? Comment by michael — February 6, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Thanks for confirming your bigotry yet again.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmVerbal skills are often a factor of the person’s innate skills. Many highly articulate people are completely or nearly illiterate.
So just so we’re crystal clear, you’re saying that verbal skills (ie articulateness) are innate and therefore evenly distributed among all racial and socio economical classes, regardless of education level or opportunities for public speaking training
I’m saying that certain socioeconomic classes — more specifically, the affluent — provide better education and training in things like vocabulary and speachcraft, and therefore will result in better verbal skills and a correlation with more articulate people.
Is that pretty much accurate? Because that’s what I’m getting out of this. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Given those two opposing statements, I think the latter is pretty obviously more likely to be true. The simple fact is that there are virtually NO traits whatsoever that are truly evenly distributed among all races and socioeconomic classes. You can say I lack reason or am believing something with no evidence all you want, but I think you’re asserting something that is far FAR less likely to be true than I am. All the folks reading this thread can come to their own conclusions.
Oh, and for everyone’s daily dose of irony, let me just quote two things you said in the very same post:
Making suppositions based on your own anecdotal experience is the very definition of stereotyping and bigotry.
I refer you to exhibit A., President Bush, a graduate of both Harvard and Yale. Educated, but utterly inarticulate. Obama went to the same university - and he’s articulate.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
(zomg was I just racist there?)
February 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmBeing articulate requires a strong grasp of language. I could be wrong, but I don’t think a person who is nearly illiterate, could be that articulate. The overall breadth of vocabulary would not be present. They may enunciate very well, but articulation has a very different meaning.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:05 pm1. Articulateness tends to correlate to the affluent due to it being a more desired attribute (note the distributions of things like high school debate clubs). Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
This is your anecdotal opinion. I offer GW and Paris Hilton to refute your anecdote as exhibit A.
2. White people are, in general, more affluent than black people.
Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Money doesn’t produce intellect, nor does attending school creating intellect or critical thinking. For exhibit B, you prove that nicely.
Neither of those statements are particularly controversial, at least IMO. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Of course it’s your opinion - that’s what bigotry is always based on.
Therefore white people are more likely to value attributes like articulateness, and you’ll see more articulate white people than articulate black people. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Articulate is used to describe someone that can express themselves clearly and effectively. It doesn’t mean the person who knows latin. Many would argue that plain speech (including the bad at it GW) is more articulate than a more educated person that beats around the bush, and talks in circles like michael.
Again, I’m not asserting that this is because of any inherent flaw in black people, but, much like test scores, is probably due to socio-economic-related differences in opportunity. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Or it could just be your ignorance of what the word articulate means, and your inherent bigotry and biases.
PS - why is it that anyone that disagrees with someone considered a troll? Unlike you, I’ve made no personal attacks, I’ve remained emotionless, and been factual and logical. Disagreement does not equate with “trollhoodâ€. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
You haven’t been factual or logical. You’ve been anecdotal, bigoted and produced completely stupid and fallacious arguments. That’s the summary description of a troll.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:10 pm#122,
Gee, I’m articulate, clean, not “affluent”, and not “white”. So, I’m an anomaly? I’m an aberration in your universe?
Therein lay your problem. You see, you already have expectations and generalizations (stereotypes) that you assign to “races”. That is what is called racism. You cannot see it because you refuse to acknowledge the foundation of your argument is racist.
Think of it this way, all men are created equal. Skin tone, spiritual beliefs, choice of love interest, and physical attributes have nothing to do with anything. Otherwise, the statement that “all men are created equal” is false. If that statement is false, then so is our Constitution, the bible, the Quran, and the Torah, since they are all based upon that premise.
I hope that helped.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:16 pm…It is pretty much like calling one as fattie, skinnie, shortie, etc, which in spanish words are like tender words to describe that person, almost never used as an insult. This is an non-issue in these countries.
Comment by Juan C — February 6, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
that whole comment - what a nice lesson you presented to us…
February 6th, 2007 at 6:25 pmthank you…
Juan,
Seems American’s self esteem and ego’s are too sensitive. At least in this day and age. Poeple go back and shoot others over a child’s snowball fight. Ususally folks get that defensive when they know deep down they are inadequate.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pmStop labeling people as black and gay in your mind and just say “a person” and you wont have this problem. When I get my check cashed it is by a bank teller… not a black bank teller… not a women bank teller… not a gay women bank teller…
Stop believing in the “choosen people” and then you can start believing in the U.S. Constitution … ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhat O’Reilly said is actually a very good reason to have a black friend, getting to know someone will help not only reduce your won prejudice, but also help them reduce theirs. Bill missed the boat terribly on this. Reach out to others, help reduce the racial divide, don’t enlarge it.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pmThis is your anecdotal opinion. I offer GW and Paris Hilton to refute your anecdote as exhibit A.
Two examples do not refute a generalization. And I’m the one that you say is not being logical? You’re failing logic 101 with statements like these.
Money doesn’t produce intellect, nor does attending school creating intellect or critical thinking.
Money doesn’t produce intellect directly, but having money opens opportunities in developing intellect and critical thinking that aren’t available to the poor or those who are unable to attend school.
Of course it’s your opinion - that’s what bigotry is always based on.
Until someone starts posting links to scientific studies, it’s all opinion, including everything that you’ve posted. The whole idea of debate is deciding who’s opinion makes more sense and is better backed up by supporting information.
You haven’t been factual or logical.
Feel free to point out a place where I was factually wrong, or have a logical inconsistency. Be specific.
I’ve already done so for you — your assertion that that articulateness is perfectly evenly distributed among all races and socio economic classes is pretty obviously not true. I note you didn’t respond to that particular portion of my post.
Gee, I’m articulate, clean, not “affluentâ€, and not “whiteâ€. So, I’m an anomaly? I’m an aberration in your universe?
Well, anyone who is articulate is an anomaly — there just aren’t very many truly articulate people out there, in my experience.
But statistically, yes, in today’s America, an articulate black person is more anomalous than an articulate white person. Do you really believe that, statistically, that’s not true?
Would it be racist to note that, on average, the top scorer on a test is less likely to be a black student than a white student?
Again, I’m talking as a whole. Of course there are individual counterexamples, as there are for any generalization. But counterexamples don’t invalidate the general observation.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmtroll appellation withdrawn, Tuber, with apology. Nonetheless, I disagree with your premise re: articulacy, and the examples I gave show how and why.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:44 pmCornbread, rather. I understand you are not a troll.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:45 pmI wonder how articulate intersex people are, and if that makes Barack more or less unique ….
February 6th, 2007 at 6:48 pm#134,
Again, I’m talking as a whole. Of course there are individual counterexamples, as there are for any generalization. But counterexamples don’t invalidate the general observation.
Actually, yes they do. That’s the whole point my ignorant (by choice, it seems) friend. Also, show me the statistics (and be aware that I have education and substantial experience in such) that you reference when you say:
But statistically, yes, in today’s America, an articulate black person is more anomalous than an articulate white person. Do you really believe that, statistically, that’s not true?
I need to see this factual information because otherwise you would be making a claim based upon your own biases and “feelings” and stating them as fact. Which, of course, would be quite a despicable thing to do and very much an act of desperation due to a weak and devoid of facts argument.
I see now that you do not want help, you only seek someone to tell you that it is okay to be racist. It is not.
I suggest that you read Mein Kampf. Although penned by an extremist, it is based upon the same principles that you are promoting.
Keep in mind that you telling me that I am an anomaly and aberration simply just by “being” is akin to you telling me that I have been misspelling and mispronouncing my own name for my entire life. Just as absurd.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#135,
Huh?
February 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pmI wonder how articulate intersex people are, and if that makes Barack more or less unique ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Bigot.
It has nothing to do with his skin color? How do you not get that? Really? Sheesh!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by NOT Gregor Samsa — February 6, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Shoo fly!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmI wonder how articulate intersex people are, and if that makes Barack more or less unique …. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
I wonder how articulate those people that suffer from severe aspbergers are, and if your complete stupidity makes you more or less unique.
Stupid crackers.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:22 pmNobody’s saying Biden (or anyone else) is a blatant racist for referring to an educated black person as “articulate.” But it does sound condescending when he uses “articulate” to describe an educated black person, and doesn’t use it to describe members of any other racial groups. After all, articulate simply means you can speak in full sentences, not that you are exceptionally smart or gifted. Though it may not have been intentional racism on Biden’s part, it’s nonetheless insulting, and reaks of a more subtle, ingrained racism.
As far as O’Reilly and Beck go, they are simply bad entertainment who pander to the lowest elements in society. Make no mistake people — they thrive on this kind of publicity. Only someone extremely inarticulate would actually take them seriously. Yes, I wish they would get off the air because of the neanderthals out there who get validation from them, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon. All you can do is enlighten people with facts and informed commentary.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:26 pmTwo examples do not refute a generalization. And I’m the one that you say is not being logical? You’re failing logic 101 with statements like these. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Ah, a glimmer of intellect, you get so close, then fail like most conservatives. My very point was that anecdotal evidence is just that - anecdotal. My argument was that you are being completely stupid in your assumptions, without facts or methodology - just as I posted. Because your personal experience and bigotry informs you, but nothing more.
You ironically applied the correct logic to my post, but not to your own. Sigh - the republicans prove once again that they are incapable of reason.
Money doesn’t produce intellect directly, but having money opens opportunities in developing intellect and critical thinking that aren’t available to the poor or those who are unable to attend school. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Schools don’t teach critical thinking for the most part, so this is a fallacious argument. Once again you prove that you can’t think critically.
Your ‘argument’, also forgets that the ’street’, ‘life’, ‘work’ and the pressures of surviving can just as effectively if not more effectively create critical thinking. Those undereducated minorities can see right past the scams you self professed cons can’t. Anecdotally you lose again.
Until someone starts posting links to scientific studies, it’s all opinion, including everything that you’ve posted. The whole idea of debate is deciding who’s opinion makes more sense and is better backed up by supporting information. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Ah, the crux of racism! Racism is exactly that, opinion based on race. Thanks for criticizing your ‘opinion’.
Feel free to point out a place where I was factually wrong, or have a logical inconsistency. Be specific. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Everywhere. You don’t appear to know what the word articulate means, you judge anecdotally without any ‘facts’ other than your opinions. Your logic is entirely inconsistent, because it’s your own judgement that you yourself are articulate because you’re white and educated. Both are false premises.
I’ve already done so for you — your assertion that that articulateness is perfectly evenly distributed among all races and socio economic classes is pretty obviously not true. I note you didn’t respond to that particular portion of my post. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
You don’t know it isn’t. As I tried to demonstrate, all you have is your own anecdotal PREJUDICES, and nothing more.
Well, anyone who is articulate is an anomaly — there just aren’t very many truly articulate people out there, in my experience.Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
How would someone as inarticulate as yourself know or judge this?
But statistically, yes, in today’s America, an articulate black person is more anomalous than an articulate white person. Do you really believe that, statistically, that’s not true?Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
And a lying bigoted republican that relies on racism, and anecdotal stereotyping is as common as a republican.
Again, I’m talking as a whole. Of course there are individual counterexamples, as there are for any generalization. But counterexamples don’t invalidate the general observation. Comment by EvilCornbread — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
An unscientific ‘general observation’ is the definition of a prejudice. Too bad someone like yourself who ‘claims’ to be educated is unaware of this basic premise. It explains why you’re such a bigot though.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI am clean and articulate, and I am not even black, but I am a hypocrite that drops my religion, and Jesus’ teachings, as it suits me.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:05 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
BORe belongs on the front cover of the national enquirer with a alien falafel probe firmly wedged in his despicable derrier.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:32 pm