Popular Teen TV Show To Claim Morning-After Pill Can Cause A Miscarriage
Popular Teen TV Show To Claim Morning-After Pill Can Cause A Miscarriage
Tonight, the CW network will air an episode of Veronica Mars that is based on misleading right-wing claims about contraception. The show is about a young woman named Veronica Mars, who is both a college student and a part-time private investigator. This week, Veronica is hired by Bonnie, “a promiscuous classmate, to find out who secretly slipped her the morning after pill, causing her to have a miscarriage“:
The basis for tonight’s Veronica Mars episode is more than just an innocent factual error. It dangerously confuses the facts on women’s health and furthers incorrect right-wing claims.
The morning-after pill — also known as Plan B — is not an abortion drug. It is a form of emergency contraception that when “taken within 72 hours of unprotected sex, the two-pill series can lower the risk of pregnancy by up to 89 percent.” It cannot cause a miscarriage. Plan B works only when taken before a woman becomes pregnant.
While Plan B is now available over the counter to women ages 18 and older, it comes after three years of political stonewalling by the Bush administration. In 2003, a panel of independent advisers told the FDA that it “overwhelmingly backed nonprescription sales [of Plan B] for all ages.” But the Bush administration interfered and blocked Plan B sales in a pander to the right wing, which argues that the drug increases promiscuity. (See the real facts here.)
Veronica Mars is extremely popular among young women, the very women who need accurate health information. E-mail Paul Hewitt, CW’s Director of Publicity, and tell him that CW needs to correct its information on emergency contraception.
UPDATE: In tonight’s episode, Bonnie makes clear that a friend slipped her RU-486, the abortion pill. But as of the show’s airing, CW’s website still lists the morning after pill as the cause of the character’s miscarriage.
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Right-wingers lie. The ones who pretend to be Christian seem to be the biggest liars of all. Go figure.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:56 pmMisinformation is the founding father of fascism.
February 6th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSorry but I do not routinely watch television, what is the "CW" network?
February 6th, 2007 at 5:58 pmIs THIS why Mary Cheney is pregnant? Those bastards!
February 6th, 2007 at 5:59 pmTuber,
CW was the merging of two failing networks, but I don't recall the names lol.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#3- A new network. C is for CBS, and W is for Warner. It plays a lot of new, crazy stuff, like: The Daily Buzz morning news, Seinfeld reruns, That 70's Show reruns, and of course, Veronica Mars. I actually like the network, as far as corporate networks go.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:02 pmI suppose it doesn't occur to these geniuses that it's specifically called "The Morning After" pill for a very big and obvious reason?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:03 pmSorry but I do not routinely watch television, what is the “CW†network?
Comment by Tuber — February 6, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
I don't watch television, either (I do love Netflix, though), but I will guess that CW stands for Country-Western and it is culturally centered on the Bible belt.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmSorry but I do not routinely watch television, what is the “CW†network?
Comment by Tuber — February 6, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
The WB and UPN merged to create CW channel.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pm#5, #6 dang, guessed wrong
February 6th, 2007 at 6:04 pmAmanda - Enough on Veronica Mars - I think you should alert progressives about John Edwards forward thinking plan to revolutionize health insurance. So what's a few raised taxes? Just ask former President Mondale.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:06 pmi have a theory, it goes like this:
basically, amanda was slacking off and avoiding doing the research for her last post of the day. hmm, she says, what's on tv tonight? maybe, i'll check out the gilmore girls...and maybe veronica mars, that's a good show, too. voila...the last post of the day writes itself! blogging is magic! slacking off *is* research!
i'm not sayin', i'm just sayin'.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:07 pm#5, #6 dang, guessed wrong....AGAIN!Comment by VerbalKint
February 6th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThe ones who pretend to be Christian seem to be the biggest liars of all. Go figure.
Comment by VerbalKint — February 6, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
The Christian religion would do itself a great service to axe the Old Testament out of their holy book, and revise the New Testament to recognize women as human beings.
Too many of the fundamental variety see us as recepticles and incubators which they can command to be perpetually pregnant with their seeds. Appalling.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:07 pmCould we have a "After Dubya" pill. Just erase the whole mess and start fresh.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmHoly crap, I thought CW stood for Country Western, or maybe Comedy Weenies...
February 6th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI'm amazed at all the "channels" people watch.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:09 pmSo what’s a few raised taxes? Just ask former President Mondale.
Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Stop trying to subvert the thread.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:09 pmSalient Weenis,
May you never have to walk in a poor mans shoes, or go without basic needs being met.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:13 pmAmanda-
This is an excellent thread. In fact, if we could have more threads where we could reference and use the word 'period' in context to the menstrual cycle, which is a well-known deterent to squimish homo-latent male conservatives, then perhaps we'd have less visits from those more misogynistic viral varieties... : )
Keep up the good work!
February 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pmWe all know that TV shows play fast and loose with reality if it interferes with a plot line. Still, I'm a fan of the Veronica Mars show, and generally impressed by its quality, so I'm disappointed that they dropped the ball on this one.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:14 pmI'm guessing the promiscuous classmate was trying to find out who slipped her the pill to thank them.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:15 pm#18- It can't help it. It's brain is broken, along with it's arms. Actually, Edwards is very up front about having to raise taxes for his proposed health insurance plan, which will be AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE. Imagine that-
February 6th, 2007 at 6:17 pmCancha just go get cotterized and stop those nasty "periods"?
(ok its just a freindly question)
February 6th, 2007 at 6:18 pmIf that is the case, then Barbara missed many opportunities to insure the survival of hundreds of thousands of human beings. That is a real pity.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pmGood thing I ususally don't watch TV. I call it the garbage box.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pmWe've fought so hard to get this 'over the counter'- which is really behind the counter and only if your 18 yrs. or over with proper i.d. and only at some pharmacies and only allowed by some 'pharmacists' who dole it out if not against their 'moral clause'. Now, this program can undo so much of the hard work so many of us have done to make this available to the very people who need it!! What a cruel injustice! Makes one wonder what the writers and network are thinking..... are they this ignorant??? OR is it that they just hate women?!
February 6th, 2007 at 6:19 pm"CW": Imagine the Nazis and Disney collaborating on a network.
There you have it!
February 6th, 2007 at 6:21 pmOh crap, if we have National Health care, folks like Venus might have to forgoe the kitchen remodel for another year, she might have to drive that 50,000 dollar vehicle another year instead of getting a new one. She might not be able to support that loser family member she has been supporting, she might have to get a vacation home NOT on the golf course. She might have to go without a plasma screen in every room. Yeah I can see why those poor folks would be cheated if we had national health care.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:22 pmOff topic but worth posting.
Here's what the Senate managed to debate and pass today:
"For Release:
February 6, 2007
U.S. Sen. Wayne Allard Honors Former President Ronald Reagan
Senate Passes Legislation to Make February 6, 2007, “Ronald Reagan Dayâ€
Washington, D.C. – U.S. Sen. Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) announced today that the U.S. Senate passed a bipartisan resolution honoring our nation’s 40th president, Ronald Reagan, by officially declaring February 6, 2007, “Ronald Reagan Day.†U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) co-sponsored the resolution.
“Today, on what would have been his 96th birthday, we praise the life and accomplishments of the Great Communicator,†said Allard. “President Ronald Reagan was a man who meant so much to so many through his noble efforts to spread the ideals of democracy around the world.â€
“Ronald Reagan dared to do the impossible, not because it was easy but because it had to be done,†said Allard. “His is a legacy that we will always cherish. I remain firm in my admiration of this great leader whose integrity was always unquestioned.†"
Happy Ronald Ray-Gun Day! How many US soldiers died today?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI think that the morning after pill should be made available to everyone, except Re-pubics. They should be made to carry thier fetus to full-term and then have to either live with mommy and daddy or off by themselves, in an old double-wide on some dirt road. After all- It's the Christian thing to do, isn't it?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:25 pm#18 - Just trying to discuss progressive politics with my favorite tax hikers.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:26 pmAmanda - Enough on Veronica Mars - I think you should alert progressives about John Edwards forward thinking plan to revolutionize health insurance. So what’s a few raised taxes? Just ask former President Mondale.
Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
So tell me, what is your explanation for why the U.S. spends fully twice as much money on health care per capita than the rest of the developed world, and achieves quantifiably worse outcomes by almost every measure, be it life expectancy, infant mortality, or whatever? C'mon smart guy, I'm waiting for your answer.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pmMr Hewitt,
In Veronica Mars' February 6th episode, the Morning After Pill is incorrectly referenced as an abortive substance. The pill is simply a pregnancy preventative along the lines of other oral birth control methods. It cannot trigger a miscarriage as this episode of the show portrays.
As a big fan of the show and a high school teacher, I am disappointed that this misinformation is being presented in such an influential show.
I hope you'll seriously consider a retraction of this message in your next episode - in the best interest of your teenage viewers.
Thank you
February 6th, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe bible states that you shouldn't consume strong drink. If everyone wants to truly follow God's word then the morning after pill isn't necessary.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmGod made 2 plans.
Plan A- Smart people.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmPlan B- Democrats.
Anytopic #1: Veronica Mars? I'd hit it!
Anytopic #2: “Ronald Reagan Dayâ€
... at least it's only for 2007 ...
"I remain firm in my admiration of this great leader
whose integrity was always unquestioned."
... COUGH HACK HACK!!
February 6th, 2007 at 6:30 pmand people complain about North Korean press releases?
#18 - Just trying to discuss progressive politics with my favorite tax hikers. Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Yeah, and we're just trying to discuss progressive politics with our favorite borrow, waste, corrupt, steal, oppress, attack, hate, and murder republicans. Isn't freedom a beautiful thing? We're so happy that you can find it on our site, since it's not available in the redstate world! You're welcome for our generosity, even though you don't deserve it!
February 6th, 2007 at 6:31 pmIt can’t help it. It’s brain is broken, along with it’s arms.
Comment by Liberal in New Mexico — February 6, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Clearly someone who is a control freak in need of attention.
I have a boy in one of my classes who comes from a rotten childhood. He can't stand for anyone else to be the center of attention, and when he isn't in the spotlight, he flat out tells me that I'm hurting his feelings and he wants me to pay attention to him... It's not much different from people like this.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pmThe bible states that you shouldn’t consume strong drink. If everyone wants to truly follow God’s word then the morning after pill isn’t necessary. Comment by Daryll — February 6, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Beer isn't strong drink, but 12 of them later and you might still need the pill.
For someone that claims to be college educated, you're even more stupid than the private school scum of uranus and her little dog michael.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:32 pmFor Truth - You try to make people who are against raising taxes sound selfish - how about cutting spending? Bottom line - it's not YOUR money, it's NOT Washington's money. (You can choose to think your money belongs in a collective pot - I don't.)
Every dime NOT spent or invested provides less job growth and fewer jobs in the re-modeling industry, automobile industry, entertainment industry, or even your macrame business. Besides you're forgetting the hundreds of thousands of young working adults who choose not to avail themselves of insurance.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:33 pmCancha just go get cotterized and stop those nasty “periods�
Comment by ForTruth — February 6, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I've heard that's an option. You can also take the pill without monthly breaks, so you don't have to have an invasive surgery, or another period.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:33 pmAs a big fan of the show and a high school teacher,
Comment by unbelievable — February 6, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Should read: I am not concerned at all about any of this, I just wanted another chance to state my bogus credentials.
Thank you.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:33 pmGod made 2 plans.
Plan A- Smart people.
Plan B- Democrats. Comment by gil gibralter — February 6, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
What about Plan C, where the devil created republicans?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:34 pmWhat do we want, a high cost of living, with no health care. Or, do we want a high cost of living, with health care for all? By the way, our taxes have been inadvertantly raised anyway, by increased cost of living expenses and a national deficit that just doesn't end.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pmOh crap, if we have National Health care, folks like Venus might have to forgoe the kitchen remodel for another year, she might have to drive that 50,000 dollar vehicle another year instead of getting a new one.
Comment by ForTruth — February 6, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Actually, if we went to a single-payer system like every other developed country in the world, we would save a lot of money, the health care would improve, and the health insurance issue would no longer distort business economics the way it does with our present employer-based system.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThe bible states that you shouldn’t consume strong drink. If everyone wants to truly follow God’s word then the morning after pill isn’t necessary.
Comment by Daryll
Mr. pick and choose. This could easily be extended to many medications and drinks. The car isn't necessary either, but we insist on using it. Clothing isn't necessary either, but we insist on using it. See where I'm going here Charlatan?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pmShould read: I am not concerned at all about any of this, I just wanted another chance to state my bogus credentials.
Thank you. Comment by pierre jaccard — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
I wasn't aware that the topic was the spawn of uranus and her little dog michal?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:35 pmJust trying to discuss progressive politics with my favorite tax hikers.
Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Wrong thread. You need to find the one that talks about how Bush has spent 800 billion dollars on the massacre of Iraqi, so you can compare the pitiance of taxes needed to give us quality healthcare for everyone in comparison to the war deficit..
This one is about a women's reproductive rights.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:37 pm1. I'm going to laugh if the episode synopsis was simply written wrong (Amanda, next time make sure the episode actually airs before you do a post like this).
2. The CW, with "That 70s Show" featuring pot-smoking in almost every show, and the Gilmore Girls, which often makes cracks at Republicans and parodies the rich way of life, you're suggesting that this was not just some goof-up by some dumb writer trying to make a storyline work, but an evil right-wing plot to misinform women?
3. Why would right-wingers try to fool women into thinking that Plan B is an abortion pill? Wouldn't that make women who have gotten pregnant and who want to have an abortion get interested in the pill, and thus do the exact opposite of what the right-wing wants?
4. This thread is even more stupid than the one about the Snickers commercial. Think Progress sinks to yet another new low. I guess every TV producer in the country is now going to have to submit their manuscripts to Think Progress for "quality-control".
February 6th, 2007 at 6:37 pmWeenis,
Most folks who are against raising taxes are against it for selfish reasons. Don't try to sound like you are all about the economy, trying to appear so generous.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pmYou are all about your personal economy. I've already read many of your rants about taxes. Just because you changed your name doesn't change who you are.
Every dime NOT spent or invested provides less job growth and fewer jobs in the re-modeling industry, automobile industry, entertainment industry, or even your macrame business.
Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
What you are pushing here is called supply-side economics, and it has been proven to not work at the low tax rates in the U.S. This is the conclusion of the Bush's own experts at the U.S. Treasury Department.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:39 pmYes Weenis, lets cut spending on the most expensive thing we all pay for,
YOU GUESSED IT.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThe bible states that you shouldn’t consume strong drink. If everyone wants to truly follow God’s word then the morning after pill isn’t necessary.
Comment by Daryll — February 6, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
We don't. Especially those of us who reject your retarded god who can't even get the creation story right, much less treat women like human beings.
Strong drink? You don't drink a pill.
Go read a science book.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmExcuse me, but isn't "pierre jaccard" French for "peter jacket"?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmIf the promiscuous classmates' friend had been wearing one, this whole discussion would be moot.
Gee Daryll,
I wasn't aware that if you don't drink, then you can't possibly get raped.
/sarcasm off
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pm#35,
Hey, I like this game. So, since the bible doesn't say anything about women laying with women, then lesbians are just great! And then, of course, we should stone all sinners (old testament) before we forgive and accept them (new testament) and stop casting stones. Oh, and we should be punished for going against God's commandements (thou shall not kill, thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife or possessions) for our actions in Iraq, which, in the eye-for-an-eye scenario means that 7 million Americans (comp#35,
Hey, I like this game. So, since the bible doesn't say anything about women laying with women, then lesbians are just great! And then, of course, we should stone all sinners (old testament) before we forgive and accept them (new testament) and stop casting stones. Oh, and we should be punished for going against God's commandments (thou shall not kill, thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife or possessions) for our actions in Iraq, which, in the eye-for-an-eye scenario means that 7 million Americans (comparable percentage) need to be exterminated immediately.
By the way, are you volunteering?
arable percentage) need to be exterminated immediately.
By the way, are you volunteering?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmVeronica Mars used to be a smart show, but it has seriously jumped the shark this year.
While the first seasons had some interesting comments on class in America, this season has had some serious missteps, including having a group of feminists fake rapes to get back at a fraternity that tormented a friend of theirs.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmI see Mitey Coprolite/Valiant Venus is back, only with a new screen name.
Same moronic rants, though. Change her moniker was like putting lipstick on herself, er, a pig...
February 6th, 2007 at 6:41 pmAll women accept Venus have reproductive rights.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI am all for "reproducing" the act of "reproduction" as much as possible. And practice makes perfect. It helps to be in shape for those longer practice sessions.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:43 pmBottom line - it’s not YOUR money, it’s NOT Washington’s money.
Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you're not talking about George Washington...
It is OUR money. Who do you think earns it so that the government can take it? Not you rich loophole gluttons. The money belongs to We the People, and we don't want your kind wasting it in Iraq. We want National Healthcare.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:44 pm#39- Thanks. I've had exchanges with "it" before. YUK! Now, I need a bath. I heard Edwards talk the other night and I'm liking what I hear. We DO need a modern and twenty-first century health care package for this country. Taxes be damned!
February 6th, 2007 at 6:46 pmShould read: I am not concerned at all about any of this, I just wanted another chance to state my bogus credentials.
Comment by pierre jaccard — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
No one pretends to be a teacher. If I wanted to be bogus, I would have claimed to be an ob/gyn doctor, since they are respected and anyone who knows a teacher knows that teachers are not (ever hear "Those who can do and those who can't teach?" Not exactly complimentary now is it?)
Why don't you go get a life of your own so you can stop being jealous of mine?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pmAlmost makes me want to go out and get a television........
February 6th, 2007 at 6:47 pmHow can so much happen while I was at work today? It will take me all night to catch up on the threads. How can anyone have time to watch the tele?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI see Mitey Coprolite/Valiant Venus is back, only with a new screen name.
So much for my wish that he had finally been banned...
Same moronic rants, though. Change her moniker was like putting lipstick on herself, er, a pig…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 6, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
LOL
February 6th, 2007 at 6:52 pm65
I stupid question with a suitably stupid answer.
Next!
You are a really unlikable person did you know that?
NO ONE here likes you or looks forward to your comments.
I know I have emailed everyone here almost, with ZERO exceptions, you are simply not wanted here.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pmSo if VV really is MA, at least it is trying to cover its tracks by abandoning all that obnoxious formatting it used to use.
By the way, is MA's page still up on myspace? I would like to check it out if possible.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:55 pmI would have claimed to be an ob/gyn doctor, [...]
Comment by unbelievable — February 6, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Why, you could have claimed to be a lawyer in San Diego, who successfuly represents people in death penalty cases!
If you are going to lie, you might as well aim as high as possible...
/sarcasm off
February 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmsorry to mention anything substantive here, but isn't the "morning after pill" just a high dose of birth control? If a pregnant woman takes birth control pills, can she have a miscarriage? just askin
February 6th, 2007 at 6:56 pmAll women accept Venus have reproductive rights.
Comment by ForTruth — February 6, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Venus (MA) is not concerned about reproductive rights because since the re-assignment surgery it has no reproductive organs.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:57 pmUnbelievable,
Venus is far from wealthy. She pulls in around 40 grand a year tops,
and I have a feeling that's a bit of an embellishment.
What's the matter, venus? Overcast day in Redondo Beach bringing
you down? Don't you have a senior designer to attend to? Why spend
all of this energy proving what a piece of sh*t you really are, when
you could be out honing your craft?
22 is not supposed to be a lonely age. You're going to regret missing it.
regret... why so much regret, child?
February 6th, 2007 at 6:57 pmCool, my son's best friend's Dad is a producer on Veronica Mars. I'll have to get the scoop on this.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:57 pmFirst, I agree that this episode is misleading...
However, it is not wholly incorrect.
If you define pregnancy as beginning at conception, as the Britannica Concise Encyclopedia and Columbia University Press Encyclopedia (see Answers: pregnancy) does...
And if in this particular instance, the Morning After Pill is preventing implantation after ovulation and conception have occurred (see MayoClinic: Morning-after pill)...
Then, a miscarriage has technically occurred.
Obviously, this isn't what everyone thinks of when they say miscarriage. Also, most of the time this Pill prevents ovulation before conception can occur, and there is disagreement of whether pregnancy begins at fertilization or implantation. But, if you're going to attack Pro-Lifers/Anti-Choicers for being dishonest, you should be extra careful to get your facts straight.
February 6th, 2007 at 6:58 pmFor Truth - You try to make people who are against raising taxes sound selfish - how about cutting spending? Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
You try to make people who are for raising taxes sound selfish - how about cut kickbacks to republican run companies, while spending our money wisely?
Bottom line - it’s not YOUR money, it’s NOT Washington’s money. (You can choose to think your money belongs in a collective pot - I don’t.)Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
That's true, it's OUR money that washington controls on OUR BEHALF. We're americans, and we agree as a civil society to have taxes that become OUR MONEY. If you want to keep YOUR money, you can always move to one of those third world african countries that don't have taxes! Please, help yourself!
Every dime NOT spent or invested provides less job growth and fewer jobs in the re-modeling industry, automobile industry, entertainment industry, or even your macrame business. Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Taxes don't get spent? Wow, that would be news to most people! Can you prove that taxes increase job growth or investment? I'll help you out by pointing out that the tax cuts under Bush produced the worst job growth and recovery in almost a century.
Besides you’re forgetting the hundreds of thousands of young working adults who choose not to avail themselves of insurance. Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Many of whom become sick and destroy their lives, as well as acting as disease vectors costing the whole society. But nice work defending a failing system. You must have practice at that, being a natural born failure?
Please INSURE our society, by taking you and your loser family to a 3rd world society more fitting your Neanderthal values.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:00 pmTHE WRONG STUFF
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250415,00.html
MORE REASON WHY WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM AND GO WITH BURT RATTAN’S DESIGNS OF AN INEXPENSIVE REUSEABLE SPACECRAFT.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#69 Pierre, here's an exception for you. If you've emailed 'almost everyone here' to ask them what thier opinion of UB is, then you have way too much time on your hands. Get a life, preferably your own.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:02 pmThe sun just went down and the freaks are starting to come out of the woodwork again.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI know I have emailed everyone here almost, with ZERO exceptions, you are simply not wanted here.
Comment by pierre jaccard — February 6, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Not only is that not logically possible, but it's really desperate of you to pretend that you email most everyone here to look popular.
You're just upset that I suggested you find an alternative place to post. Only an unliked person with no self-esteem would respond as you have. And, unlike you, I'm not here to be popular, liked or be nominated Homecoming Queen.
Seriously, get a life.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:04 pmHere's the spawn of uranus page. Not only is she single, but she's neither a lawyer, married, nor a military veteran.
Imagine that, a 'con' that lies!!!!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:04 pmLink to valiant venus.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
February 6th, 2007 at 7:05 pmMORE REASON WHY WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM AND GO WITH BURT RATTAN’S DESIGNS OF AN INEXPENSIVE REUSEABLE SPACECRAFT. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
More reason why you family values nuts should be forcibly medicated - starting with you.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWhy, you could have claimed to be a lawyer in San Diego, who successfuly represents people in death penalty cases! If you are going to lie, you might as well aim as high as possible…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 6, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
LOL... Supreme Court Judge? :)
February 6th, 2007 at 7:06 pmWe are merely expressing our free will and expression.
Comment by NOT Gregor Samsa — February 6, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
You seriously are FUBAR.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:08 pm#64 - "Taxes be damned!"
Spoken like a true conservative!! (Maybe you were trying to convey the following -
February 6th, 2007 at 7:10 pm"Who cares about taxes going up? Especially those of us who contribute nothing to society."?)
MORE REASON WHY WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM AND GO WITH BURT RATTAN’S DESIGNS OF AN INEXPENSIVE REUSEABLE SPACECRAFT.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 6, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Dude, lay off the caffeine. And stop trying to derail the thread.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:11 pm.. hate to be a pest, but, is the girl in the picture Veronica Mars, or her promiscuous classmate?... just curious.........
February 6th, 2007 at 7:12 pmThere's a lot to dislike about this show (who the hell thought it was a good idea for Logan to hook up with Madison?), but the morning after pill issue isn't one of them. The only reference, as far as I can remember, is the title. The character who has the miscarriage specifically refers to RU-486. I think the writers just fell in love with that title ("There's Got To Be a Morning After Pill"). The average viewer watching the show will have no idea what the title of the episode is.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:12 pmLink to valiant venus.
Thanks!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWhat!?
Someone hijacked my name? Wow -I have a groupie. Too bad it's a troll. A promiscuous troll, to boot: She hijacks names indiscriminately.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:13 pmGet a life, preferably your own.
Comment by Quadrajet — February 6, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Thanks : )
I emailed TP about the name-jacker immitating Gregor. It's probably the same pathetic freak.
I don't take it seriously. It's just misery trying to create itself some company. It picked the wrong target.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThanks, Jason, for today's sidetrack.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:17 pmAnd, oh, it's Bert RUTAN
(Rattan is a type of furniture.)
Here’s the spawn of uranus page. Not only is she single, but she’s neither a lawyer, married, nor a military veteran.
Comment by ValiantVenusSpanOfUranusConscience — February 6, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
That's the first - and last - time I will visit myspace... Ugh!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:19 pmThen, a miscarriage has technically occurred.
Comment by David M. Simpson — February 6, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
The episode is wholy incorrect, and a miscarriage has not occurred. Not even technically.
Miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion "is the natural or spontaneous end of a pregnancy at a stage where the embryo or the fetus is incapable of surviving".
The "morning after pill" prevents the pregnancy from happening in the first place -hence no miscarriage is possible.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmis the girl in the picture Veronica Mars, or her promiscuous classmate?… just curious………
Comment by naughty neptune — February 6, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Veronica
February 6th, 2007 at 7:20 pmLink to valiant venus.
Comment by ValiantVenusSpanOfUranusConscience — February 6, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
Wow, I don't remember who it was here that called her Barney Fife with boobs, but man is that accurate!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:22 pmSomeone hijacked my name? Wow -I have a groupie. Too bad it’s a troll. A promiscuous troll, to boot: She hijacks names indiscriminately.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 6, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
It posted that trash on several threads. Therefore, logic points to Rachel/Santo.
I really hope TP is going to start registration.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:23 pmToo bad about this. Well I hope the facts can be set straight. One thing- The Millennium Development Goals - can help stop misconceptions from occuring. We need to get the goals we agreed on in 2000 to the forefront of our policy!!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe episode is actually about Mifepristone (RU4876). It can be used within the first two months of pregnancy to cause an abortion. You can see the scene where this is discussed here:
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v226460Qt3NhDqt
I blame the CW promo department mostly for this one since their promotions are almost always inaccurate in some major way. I'd have to admit the episode title doesn't help.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:24 pmHere’s the spawn of uranus page. Not only is she single, but she’s neither a lawyer, married, nor a military veteran.
Weird stuff.
It looks like she has an eating disorder.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:25 pm#98....
February 6th, 2007 at 7:26 pm................oh well........
Who's gonna volunteer to take our mighty hagette to the all-you-can-eat buffet?
February 6th, 2007 at 7:30 pmYeah, it's Santo/Rachel allright....
Hey Santo; stop being such a wanker. Get a life, a boyfriend, girlfriend, both -I don't really care.
Do something useful with your time. Like building castles out of playdough or someting...
February 6th, 2007 at 7:31 pmWho’s gonna volunteer to take our mighty hagette to the all-you-can-eat buffet?
Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Let's volunteer Jason Fact Mangler to do it. He could use a date...
February 6th, 2007 at 7:33 pmWeird stuff. It looks like she has an eating disorder. Comment by VerbalKint — February 6, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
One of many disorders based on her page, and posts here. What a f'd up piece of work.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:34 pmI don't even get myspace, its all jumbled and confusing. And I am not about to try to figure it out. Hopefully that really wasn't the MA.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:35 pmWho’s gonna volunteer to take our mighty hagette to the all-you-can-eat buffet?
Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
We need to persuade her to smoke some good weed first. It really ups the appetite. I have read that this can be effective when treating anorexics.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:36 pmLet’s volunteer Jason Fact Mangler to do it. He could use a date… Comment by unbelievable — February 6, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Ewwwhhh, children with servere Aspbergers, Anorexia and low self esteem. That's cruel!
February 6th, 2007 at 7:36 pmI have read that this can be effective when treating anorexics.
Comment by VerbalKint
Yeah I've only read about that whole weed = +appetite thing too.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:43 pmAnd we feel the same fu*king way dumb a$$. Stop wasting our money on your failed Iraq policy. You can choose to think your money belongs in a collective pot - I don’t.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:43 pmI don’t even get myspace, its all jumbled and confusing. And I am not about to try to figure it out. Hopefully that really wasn’t the MA. Comment by ForTruth — February 6, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
She lives in San Diego, just finished college (obsession with professors), works with money for a living and is a fan of Ann Coulter, and she changed her alias when she got caught.
She has several blog entries that talk about 'Torts', 'liberals', 'white-people' and 'abortions'. Sounds just like the resident uranus spawn here. Just click the 'View All Blog Entries' on her myspace. What a sad, pathetic loser! I'd feel sorry for her if she wasn't such a vile hateful person.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:44 pmFortunately, I'm working on my issues of being attracted to crazy women, I was only attracted to that astronaut until she got charged with murder. I'm really improving. I promise not to be attracted to that crazy ass eating disorder girl, who you call MA.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:45 pmCW Network to combine WB, UPN in CBS-Warner venture beginning in September.
By Jessica Seid, CNNMoney.com staff writer
January 24, 2006: 1:50 PM EST
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Warner Brothers and CBS Corp. announced plans Tuesday for the creation of a new broadcast television network, called CW, that would replace the WB and UPN networks in the fall of this year.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:49 pmEwwwhhh, children with servere Aspbergers, Anorexia and low self esteem. That’s cruel!
Comment by ValiantVenusSpanOfUranusConscience
This is offensive to me.
If you want to be a parody, you have to educate yourself.
Asperger's Syndrome -- by definition -- cannot be severe. It is a form of high functioning autism. Jason claims to have it. Fine.
He does not act the way he does because of his Asperger's Syndrome, he acts that way because he likes to be an ass.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:49 pm#114, I can add that she reads Ann Coulter too. Plus there is that little animation showing Che Guevara shooting himself in the mouth with a gun.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:50 pm#84 - Jason, MySpace? Pleeeeaaaase. I'll let all you people without "people" friends enjoy the virtual community.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pmGregor - rachel/nabla is doing her thing with your handle on the Iran thread.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pmValiantVenusSpanOfUranusConscience —
Oh crap that really was her?
I'm not going back to look. I don't understand the deal. If you are an average Joe-ette like most of us, how could the belief system be that way? Ugh.
I wouldn't doubt some serious personal issues with "libs". Someone who was liberal really personally wronged her, like a parent. Just sayin'
February 6th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI do enjoy the TP version of "Extra". Give me more dirt...
February 6th, 2007 at 7:55 pmwow
February 6th, 2007 at 7:57 pmSpeaking of right wingers, if you hate the Scientologists as much as I do, then you're going to love this post about one of the most extraordinary examples of reverse religious persecution that you'll ever read anywhere.
Imagine being forced to go on the run for 7 years because you made a pun about Scientologists?
February 6th, 2007 at 7:57 pm#98 "That’s the first - and last - time I will visit myspace… Ugh!"
Spoken like a fat chick.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
MA, get off the computer and get something to eat....
February 6th, 2007 at 7:58 pmTechnically, a failure to implant is a miscarriage but the woman who has this type of "miscarriage" never realizes that it occurred. So while the pill could cause a "miscarriage," the idea of the show that the morning after pill could be given to a woman who knows she is pregnant and cause her to lose the pregnancy is just nonsense.
February 6th, 2007 at 7:59 pm"MA, get off the computer and get something to eat…."
Spoken like a fat, beer guzzling, Whopper chomping kind of guy.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:03 pm#125.........
February 6th, 2007 at 8:03 pm.......you are out of orbit............
Super skinny circles under the eyes Venus.
Heh.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:07 pmAsperger’s Syndrome — by definition — cannot be severe. It is a form of high functioning autism. Jason claims to have it. Fine. Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
I'm assuming you know someone that's highly functional with aspergers, and if so, that's great to hear!
As I've read the literature, symptoms vary a great deal in this disorder, and the sufferers must be taught coping strategies, best at a young age. There are also several 'non-core' problem behaviors that can occur, including aggression and self-injury in more severe case. So from that standpoint, severe refers to his particular inability to recognize and handle his own 'Socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior and interpersonal interaction', one of the clinical symptoms of the disease. For instance the whole 'Del' thing is a great example.
So, I hate to correct you, but the medical experts disagree with you.
He does not act the way he does because of his Asperger’s Syndrome, he acts that way because he likes to be an ass. Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Don't be so sure. Just because people have been taught to overcome many limitations of their Aspbergers, doesn't mean that those without the benefit of that assistance will/can function properly. Whether you like it or not, it is a social disorder that causes many sufferers to not be able to function in a 'normal' manner socially.
The range of symptoms varies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspergers
In particular I suggest you look at the 'central coherence' aspect.
The truth is sometimes offensive, sorry you offended by this one, but I assure you, not nearly as offended as I am by the bigoted and hateful behaviors of people like Hendler.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:09 pmHaggard claim he is cured
February 6th, 2007 at 8:09 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/02/06/ted-haggard-cured/
#98 “That’s the first - and last - time I will visit myspace… Ugh!â€
Spoken like a fat chick. Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Spoken like a screwed up anorexic. Eat a tictac.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:10 pmBush has been lowering taxes for six years, yet the auto industry has somehow managed to lay off tens of thousands of workers. Go figure.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pm#84 - Jason, MySpace? Pleeeeaaaase. I’ll let all you people without “people†friends enjoy the virtual community. Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
You're busted aphrodite. Eat a tictac you freak.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pmActually, the pill in question on tonight's episode of "Veronica Mars" is RU486, which DOES cause miscarriage.. NOT "Plan B" or the "morning after pill."
February 6th, 2007 at 8:12 pmMA, I see your myspace page also contains a couple of entries from 'cranklab' - the pieces are all starting to fall into place now, you poor thing. Too much Drano.....
February 6th, 2007 at 8:18 pmTerry,
Thanks, his garbage is everywhere.
Now he's hijacking unbelievable's moniker...
February 6th, 2007 at 8:29 pmThe truth is sometimes offensive, sorry you offended by this one, but I assure you, not nearly as offended as I am by the bigoted and hateful behaviors of people like Hendler.
Comment by ValiantVenusSpanOfUranusConscience
Is it safe to assume you are finished patronizing me? You can save it for the trolls.
After you've spent the last 20 years reading everything ever written on autism, and 25 years raising a child with autism, come back and talk to me. In the meantime, can you give it a rest?
Jason played the Asperger's card when he first started commenting here. He did it to try to weasel his way in and get a "pass." Fortunately no one gave him the pass. One can be diagnosed with Asperger's, or any other developmental disability, and still be an over the top assh*le. There's lots to dislike about Jason, and far down on the list is the Asperger's.
I'm asking you for a little sensitivity -- not for Jason, but for people who are actually trying to get along in this world while dealing with the effects of autism or Asperger's.
February 6th, 2007 at 8:30 pmYikes! Seems all the looney left calls RW liars but in fact your fairy tales about how Plan B works shows your "religion" is lying about pharmacology.
Plan B is an abortifacient 75-89% of the time, based on the govt (ya know, the people the secular left loves) and the manufacturer's own data.
Get over it....abortion KILLS!
:-)
February 6th, 2007 at 8:36 pmFrom what I understand, the episode description for tonights Veronica Mars is slightly off. Having said that, it sounds as if the original post on this issue may have been based off of the description, rather than what actually happens in the episode. I recommend the "Veronica Mars in the Media" thread over at Televisionwithoutpity. (Or the spoiler thread at the same site. I don't want to give too much away here.)
February 6th, 2007 at 8:38 pmIs it safe to assume you are finished patronizing me? You can save it for the trolls. Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Not my intention, but I can see how you might feel that way.
After you’ve spent the last 20 years reading everything ever written on autism, and 25 years raising a child with autism, come back and talk to me. In the meantime, can you give it a rest? Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
It would help if you didn't patronize others on the topic that disagree with your conclusions. Especially when they post specific wording that categorically state there are variations in the functioning and behaviors of many children.
Whether you like it or not, it is an impairment that must be overcome. The more severe the impairment, the more difficult to overcome the negative symptoms. No offense, but what I've read contradicts what you've read. Please review the particular study I cited.
Jason played the Asperger’s card when he first started commenting here. He did it to try to weasel his way in and get a “pass.†Fortunately no one gave him the pass. One can be diagnosed with Asperger’s, or any other developmental disability, and still be an over the top assh*le. There’s lots to dislike about Jason, and far down on the list is the Asperger’s. Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Well, we're not going to disagree with the a**hole issue. Whether you like it or not, the disability does impact him, his reasoning, and everything else. While you may have saved your child, Jason wasn't saved by his parents, it's clear he does suffer from a severe mental health issue. You're sensitive about people not mistreating or attacking your child, but you cannot and should not disregard the affect of that disease on him.
I’m asking you for a little sensitivity — not for Jason, but for people who are actually trying to get along in this world while dealing with the effects of autism or Asperger’s. Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Uh, I was giving sensitivity - that's why I said 'severe aspergers' which he apparently has. It is most certainly difficult for people with the disease, but it is a 'mental' illness that in the case of Jason is both severe and untreated. How can you expect people to help the unfortunately like Jason, when you won't even admit that his mental illness might be at the core of his 'a**hole'. You do realize they could be the one and the same with this 'individual' - right?
February 6th, 2007 at 8:45 pmAnd you know, I actually like Veronica Mars. But as #2 states: "Misinformation is the founding father of m."
February 6th, 2007 at 8:47 pmYikes! Seems all the looney left calls RW liars but in fact your fairy tales about how Plan B works shows your “religion†is lying about pharmacology. Comment by BoMeister — February 6, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Says, the guy who came here to lie.
Plan B is an abortifacient 75-89% of the time, based on the govt (ya know, the people the secular left loves) and the manufacturer’s own data. Comment by BoMeister — February 6, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Really? Because an abortion detaches an egg from the uterus, but plan-b works by preventing the egg from leaving the ovaries, and/or preventing it from attaching from the uterus. That's according to the manufacturers website.
Are you really trying to redefine abortion - yet again? Because by your lunatic definition, fertility clinics are abortion clinics! LOONIE!!!
Get over it….abortion KILLS! :-) Comment by BoMeister — February 6, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
So does poverty, poisoned water and soil, war, smoking, fatty food and the death penalty. But you crackers all seem to be very fond of those forms of death! Hypocrite!
February 6th, 2007 at 8:50 pmThe crackers also like death when its a non-JudeoChristian type.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:00 pmThe girl in question just said someone gave her RU486. They haven't said anything at all about Plan B, or "morning after pill." Whoever's in charge of writing copy for the website is clearly just stupid.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:04 pmYou do realize they could be the one and the same with this ‘individual’ - right?
Comment by ValiantVenusSpawnOfUranusConscience
Sorry, but you blew your entire argument out the window but categorizing Asperger's Syndrome as a "mental illness." It is not a mental illness, it's a developmental disorder.
This is what I'm talking about, whoever you are. I think the people on TP respect your knowledge and your ability to parody, but you rattle off Asperger's is a mental illness, and now there are a bunch of people misinformed on Asperger's.
I'm not asking you to stop harassing Jason, I'm simply asking you to drop Asperger's off your list of ammunition against him.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:11 pmReally? Because an abortion detaches an egg from the uterus, but plan-b works by preventing the egg from leaving the ovaries, and/or preventing it from attaching from the uterus. That’s according to the manufacturers website.
Comment by ValiantVenusSpawnOfUranusConscience — February 6, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
"abortion, expulsion of the products of conception before the embryo or fetus is viable." Columbia University Press Encyclopedia
"Abortion is a generic term for pregnancies that do not end in a livebirth or a stillbirth. It is the premature expulsion from the uterus of the products of conception, which include the placenta, bag of waters, and fetus, if present." Encyclopedia for Public Health
(see Answers: abortion)
These definitions (as well as any definition of 'pregnancy' as beginning at fertilization) suggest that "preventing [the fertilized egg] from attaching [to] the uterus" is abortion. However, some definitions of 'abortion' and 'pregnancy' rule out contra-implantation techniques as abortive and classify them as contraceptive.
We need uniformity in our definitions.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate."
February 6th, 2007 at 9:12 pmThe crackers also like death when its a non-JudeoChristian type.
Comment by ForTruth
I, I mean WE, just love when that happens. :)
February 6th, 2007 at 9:13 pmComment by Israeli Soldier
I feel all warm and fuzzy now, not.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:17 pmThese are the geniuses who dreamed up this episode of stoopid: Tricia Brock - Director, John Enbom - Writer (teleplay), Phil Klemmer - Writer (teleplay), Jonathan Moskin - Writer (story) (teleplay), David Mulei - Writer (story) The latter two are the brilliant savants who think Plan B is capable of causing a miscarriage. Braindead media indeed.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:18 pmThe episode's title is "There's got to be a morning after pill" but this seems primarily a play on words because they do only mention RU486, which can be used the morning after but is primarily used as an abortifacient. They're not talking about the Plan B pill which is the hormoe progestin.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:19 pmSorry, but you blew your entire argument out the window but categorizing Asperger’s Syndrome as a “mental illness.†It is not a mental illness, it’s a developmental disorder. Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Tell that to the physicians profession.
It's a treatable mental illness, as many are. But you disregard reality with your statement.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:20 pmValiantVenusSpawnOfUranusConscience — February 6, 2007 @ 9:20 pm
Yes the Asperger's syndrome is in the DSM, however it is under sub-category of developmental disorders and disorders of childhood. The mental health systems generally take Aspergers clients because they do not meet the functioning criteria for Developmental Disability services. So its really a developmental disorder which gets treated as a mental disorder.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:26 pmIf you look in the actual DSM full volume, and not on the internet, you would get a better picture of where Asperger's is. So you leave the diagnostics up to the parents, and the professionals. (Because the parent knows the child better than anyone)
Just sayin'
February 6th, 2007 at 9:31 pm*
I’m not asking you to stop harassing Jason, I’m simply asking you to drop Asperger’s off your list of ammunition against him.
Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
exactly...
February 6th, 2007 at 9:34 pm.
AS correlates with Asperger’s Disorder defined in section 299.80 of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) by six main criteria
It’s a treatable mental illness, as many are. But you disregard reality with your statement.
Comment by ValiantVenusSpawnOfUranusConscience
You have to READ the section, you can't just cite it.
Nevermind -- ForTruth has it handled. What he says....
February 6th, 2007 at 9:42 pmCould we all just please drop references to Asperger's Disorder and other types of illnesses and disorders when simply discussing political (however serious they may be) disagreements?T here is a "line." And it shouldn't be crossed. Let's argue our points on the merits and avoid ignorance-based cruelty (especially when it can hurt children).
February 6th, 2007 at 9:43 pmUm, before you start writing network heads and such - HOW ABOUT WATCHING THE EPISODE FIRST!
In the first five minutes of the episode, yes, there is this girl who is given RU-486 and it causes her to loose her baby. RU-486 in high doses is the "abortion pill". Sometimes it is used in low doses as a emergency contraceptive (the morning after pill) but if you just look up RU-486 you will see that it is an abortion pill when used in the first two months of pregnancy. Look it up.
If you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Veronica Mars is one of *THE* most liberal shows on television. Not only does it feature a strong, female heroine, even politically you can't watch an episode without a Bush-bashing, "homeland security" joke, or other conservative dig.
Crying wolf is very unattractive. Next time, actually view the material that pisses you off before you start making a stink. Two lines of a summary written by an intern based on a log line isn't enough to make claims of a vast right wing conspiracy to stop "teenagers" from having proper sexual education.
A friend of mine sent me this link, recommending this site - if this is the type of "story" you guys post, I don't think I'll be bothering to make a bookmark.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:50 pmLet’s argue our points on the merits and avoid ignorance-based cruelty (especially when it can hurt children).
Comment by Exley
*gulp*
Thanks, Exley.
February 6th, 2007 at 9:51 pmThe episode summary for the show said 'morning after pill,' as does the title of the episode, but it turns out the episode says it was RU-486.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:00 pmA. Wade,
VM has been very liberal, and is one of the few shows on TV to remotely broach issues of class, but this season the politics has been kind of creepy, with the caricature of feminists, for example.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:02 pm#159
No need to thank me, Zooey ...Politics is politics. Policy differences are policy differences. But making light of learning/developmental disorders is just ignorant and detracts from the substance of of people's disagreements...
BTW. Just curious...It is about 9 degrees here on the Mid-Atlantic East Coast....What's going on in Idaho?
February 6th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWas it intentional? Naming it RU486?
"Are You For 86"
Like it was "86ed"
February 6th, 2007 at 10:08 pmSee Zooey, people love the weather. We had 60 degrees.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:09 pmSpoken like a fat chick.
Comment by valiant venus — February 6, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
I'm a vegan dumbass.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pmBTW. Just curious…It is about 9 degrees here on the Mid-Atlantic East Coast….What’s going on in Idaho?
Comment by Exley
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! The frigid air finally blew east! We were about 45 balmy degrees today -- even though it was foggy this afternoon. Very enjoyable!
Yes, ForTruth, you're always telling me people love the weather, and now I finally believe you. I am a weather convert. :-D
February 6th, 2007 at 10:16 pmI’m a vegan dumbass.
Comment by unbelievable
Oy. Puncuation.....just sayin'
Heh.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:17 pm(especially when it can hurt children).
Comment by Exley
Like clusterbombs?
February 6th, 2007 at 10:19 pm*punctuation*
Heh.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:23 pmI remember 45 degrees....It was nice. Well, it is supposed to reach 30 degrees tomorrow. Just enough for snow....2-3 inches forecast. Not a lot, but enough to make things annoying for tomorrow's commute.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:23 pmOy. Puncuation…..just sayin’
Comment by Zooey — February 6, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
It occured to me, just as I hit 'post', that I forgot the comma... LOL
It's a consequence of having been red marked for using too many in college papers (for fear of failing for not using enough, as warned by HS English teachers) that I now don't use enough... :)
So how's school going?
February 6th, 2007 at 10:24 pmLike clusterbombs?
Comment by Juan C — February 6, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Touche'!
February 6th, 2007 at 10:27 pmHey, Flaco, how are you doing? :)
Hi, UnB and Zoo. UnB, yours was a funny post. Looks like a buddhist making fun of herself. :)
February 6th, 2007 at 10:32 pmWow, the stupidest show on television just turned into the stupidest propaganda machine on television.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:32 pmSo how’s school going?
Comment by unbelievable
Just always put the comma between you and the dumbass. Heh.
School is making me crazy, but I'm in a forgiving mood. One exam tomorrow -- three next week -- two on the same day back-to-back. That prof knows I put a contract out on him.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:34 pmem>Touche’!
Comment by unbelievable — February 6, 2007 @ 10:27 pm"Touche????" That is used when countering an argument or "thrust" made in a fencing match or debate ... I was just cautioning against making light of developmental challenges....Sheesh! Not everythings an argument!
February 6th, 2007 at 10:34 pmHi Juan, what's the temperature there? I have to ask because I'm a weather convert. :)
February 6th, 2007 at 10:40 pmActually your article has some misinformation as well. The morning after pill CAN and often DOES act as an abortifac. It works first to prevent ovulation (and thus not allowing the egg to be fertilized), which is not abortion, but it ALSO works to prevent an already fertilized egg from implanting in the womb. At that point, conception has already occured, so it would then be abortion. It is only if the zygote has already implanted that the morning after pill would be ineffective. You would do well to correct the information in your own article.
February 6th, 2007 at 10:53 pmHi Juan, what’s the temperature there? I have to ask because I’m a weather convert. :)
Comment by Zooey
Its cold. Like 10 °C or less. I cant stand cold.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:02 pmAt that point, conception has already occured, so it would then be abortion.
Comment by Eamon — February 6, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Still not true. An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy.
Pregnancy is defined as "the carrying of one or more embryos or fetuses by female mammals, including humans, inside their bodies," and it "starts with implantation." If the zygote fails to implant, the woman never becomes pregnant.
The "morning after pill" prevents implantation, which in turn prevents pregnancy, whhich in turn means there is no abortion.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:08 pmIts cold. Like 10 °C or less. I cant stand cold.
Comment by Juan C
I'm sorry! It was 7C here today, but I was happy about it. Our snow is almost gone. I didn't realize it got so cold down there. *shiver*
February 6th, 2007 at 11:10 pmIf the zygote fails to implant, the woman never becomes pregnant.
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I have a feeling that in EamonWorld the woman isn't considered a serious factor in the equation.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:12 pmCan we please get correct information and not jump to conclusions anymore? The show correctly labeled the drug in the episode but yet it gets all this ill will. Let an episode air then make your comments. Its a shame. Veronica is a great show with low ratings that don't need negative reaction to hurt them even more.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:22 pmJarred,
I have a question. I don't have television anymore, but before I canned the cable I saw commercials for this show, and this girl always had the same expression -- the above -- on her face. What's up with that?
February 6th, 2007 at 11:26 pmUh, I have major doubts that this episode was factually correct even referencing RU-486.
Ru-486 is a two-drug, two-dose regime that requires two different dosing times. Without the second drug, which induces contractions (the first one destroys the fetus) her body would not have begun expelling the fetus for some time. In fact, she could even go septic and die. So unless this was covered (or someone slipped her TWO drugs on two different days), it's a load of crap and misrepresents what the "abortion pill" is.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:31 pmZooey,
I have the feeling you are right.
And just to share a random thought with you: The information in the wikipedia is consistent with what our doctor told us when my wife was pregnant -I was annoyed that the doctor seemed to be talking down to us, but I figured we could always use a refresher course in basic human anatomy and reproductive system. But I digress.
She also told us a lot of zygotes fail to implant naturally, with no human intervention (I forget the exact %), and that something like 30% of all pregnancies terminate, also naturally, within the first trimester.
A couple who are very good friends of ours, are having the hardest time getting pregnant; she has had two miscarriages. Needless to say, they are not the happiest couple on Earth.
You'd think that if god were really pro-life, no zygote would go unimplanted, and no embryo would ever be miscarried.
Go figure.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:41 pmFIRST: to the people who say this article is crying wolf, don't be silly. the article points out a serious problem - the fact that people interchange RU-486 and the morning after pill. there is enough confusion about these two very different drugs without a smart show like veronica mars blurring the lines further. that is not to say that within the show there are any problems, it is just a matter of the title of the show and certain advertisements/blurbs.
SECOND: i love the show, but it is deeply problematic in its portrayals of certain 'types' of characters, namely the feminists (though i don't ever remember the word 'feminist' actually being used, which is a bad sign too maybe).
THIRD: i would like to agree with those who have pointed out that the morning after pill does NOT terminate pregnancies, despite the fact that it may sometimes prevent a fertilized egg from implanting. look at it this way - if all it takes is a fertilized egg floating around in something to make that thing pregnant, then would ingesting a fertilized egg would make you pregnant, or putting a fetilized egg in a petri dish would mean the dish was pregnant. clearly this is not possible. pregnancy is the state in which the woman is in, not the state of the ovum.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:57 pmYou’d think that if god were really pro-life, no zygote would go unimplanted, and no embryo would ever be miscarried.
Go figure.
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I've heard it's a huge number of zygotes that go unimplanted, and then very many don't make it long. All things are not perfect -- not zygotes, not the uterus lining, etc. Imagine if every egg ever fertilized resulted in a birth -- we'd be living 6 deep, or more. Oy.
February 6th, 2007 at 11:57 pm#165 - "I’m a vegan dumbass." Comment by unbelievable
I couldn't have said it better, teacher!
February 7th, 2007 at 12:30 amThe pill in question was NOT the morning after pill. The character on Veronica Mars was slipped RU486, which causes a miscarriage.
If you're going to write an article about it, at least get your facts straight.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:05 amRachel, why don’t you move to Thailand, or some other child sex vacation destination? You could indulge your sick fantasies, and help the local economy at the same time. And if they happened to lock you up, we’d all benefit. You could act out to your heart’s content, and gain valuable cultural information about other countries’ treatment of their criminally-deviant inmates. You could even write a book about your “exploits,†and possibly gain a much wider audience than you’ll ever get here. And our benefit is quite obvious; we wouln’t have to slog through all the cut-and-paste tripe.
Whattaya say? We’ll even pass the hat, and buy your ticket.
February 7th, 2007 at 2:54 amMe @ #51:
And then:
Ahahahahahaha!
Have you learned your lesson now, Amanda? Looks like who ever is manning the CW website is just about as incompetent as Amanda.
February 7th, 2007 at 3:28 amThe Bilpolar debates on Pro and Anti Abortion is a long debate with people having their own justifications.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2007 at 5:18 amThis is disappointing. I really like this show and I'm definitely NOT a teen girl, unless you subtract several decades and switch a chromosome here or there. I'm going to give them the benefit of a doubt - they are being stupidly ignorant, and are streamlining concepts to fit the TV screen (like web pages that open instantly, bugs that work perfectly and so on). They probably asked some teen focus group what they thought, and it flew, because it wouldn't be so creepy if it just "prevented" pregnancy. I doubt CW will wake up to the error until much too late.
Regarding my taste for dippy crime dramas, all I can say is that there's a lot there that's NOT dumb. Some of the dialog is VERY funny, and there are some great complexities in the plot - usually two or three issues to solve, typically a small one per show and one or two that span weeks or the whole season. The relationships aren't totally idiotic and the characters are only slightly one-dimensional.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:50 amYou might want to update that update, Amanda: although the Bonnie character does state that she was given RU486, Veronica tells Keith mid-episode that Bonnie's miscarrage was caused by "the morning-after pill"--so there's a serious inconistency in the script that suggests that the writers don't know the difference between the two. So it's not just the CW promo materials that are to blame here; the writers messed up as well.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:07 amI have never been to this site before, and after this post I doubt I ever will again. I understand your concern about the "misinformation." But ultimately, it was you who propagated misinformation. The show made it very clear that the drug used was RU486. In fact, the term "morning after pill" was never used in the episode at all. It was used in the title, which I think was intended to be a shout out to the Maureen McGovern song than a direct reference to content. The average viewer does not know the titles of individual episodes, anyway. So this is clearly a case of you making a mountain out of a mole hill. As for the episode description on the website, that was written by the "promo monkeys" (as VM fans call them) at CW, not the producers of the show. Don't blame the show for that. It is a great show that does not shy away from addressing controversial topics. It's by far one of the most well written and performed shows on tv today. (To the person who posted about Kristen Bell's expression always being the same clearly has never seen the show.) I encourage you all to watch the show yourself instead of letting bloggers misinform you. Think progress=thinking for yourself.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:28 amIt's easy to mislead, made more likely when matters are complained of based on expectation rather than fact.
Any young woman who watched the show would have been informed throughout that the pill that caused the termination of the pregnancy was RU-486. The error you report is in an episode description. Pre-air episode descriptions are misleading by their nature, particularly in a mystery show - else what is the point of watching the episodes. It seems extremely unlikely that any young woman is going to take medical advice from an episode description of an episode they don't even watch.
You might want to update that update, Amanda: although the Bonnie character does state that she was given RU486, Veronica tells Keith mid-episode that Bonnie’s miscarrage was caused by “the morning-after pillâ€â€“so there’s a serious inconistency in the script that suggests that the writers don’t know the difference between the two. So it’s not just the CW promo materials that are to blame here; the writers messed up as well.
This is also incorrect. The dialogue is as follows:
VERONICA: No. No! Dad, no. I am not now, nor have I ever been, pregnant. I visited the clinic for a case. Someone slipped this girl RU-486, and it caused a miscarriage.
The "morning after pill" referred to in the title was not what was given, or said to be given, to a girl to cause the end of her pregnancy. It was the metaphorical pill Veronica needed to wipe out the image of her boyfriend together with a girl she hated. The fact that there was not such a pill ended her relationship with him.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:17 amAll fat and skinny chicks gather round. Heh.
February 7th, 2007 at 12:19 pmGee, could ThinkProgress's own correction about the misinformation your site posted about the content of last night's episode of Veronica Mars be any more discreet?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander - if organizations like ThinkProgress want others to correct misinformation, maybe you should try getting your own facts straight first, eh?
Brain dead, indeed.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:17 pmGregor and Zooey,
I think you two need to take a human anatomy class or at least pick up a book. There is not a single science book, biology book, human emryology book, ect. in existance that states that life begins anywhere but at conception. This is scientific fact and Wikipedia hardly counts as a scholarly source; anyone can write or edit an article on there. Find me an actual science text book that states life begins elsewhere but at conception. If you are arguing against scientific fact, which you are, then you are arguing from a completely arbitrary definition of life that you have made up yourself to defend taking that life.
And Zooey, don't give me that b.s. about not caring about women. To qoute flyers and a sweatshirt a friend of mine made, "Call me an extremist, but I think dismembering babies is wrong". I DO care about women, which is why I think they deserve better than a dismembered baby and the emotional and physical damage abortion does to the woman's own body. I happen to believe that ALL human life is equal and valuable. Pretty horrible person, aren't I?
Abortion does not make you un-pregnant; it makes you the mother of a dead child.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmIt's not about politics - it's not about what networks trying to spew out messages. It's not even about religion. It's all about quality control. The writers didn't take time with their research. The writers just met their deadlines as fast as they could. The network didn't do their part with quality control - they just say air it, we got the advertising funds. In this world it's all about quality control - in this case lack of it. They get the job done as fast as they can. The network also has to take the writers word for it...they are the so called content experts.
February 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pmSeriously? You should pull this article because it really skews the truth. My pet cause is the misconceptions about the morning after pill, but as a regular VMars viewer, someone who actually watched this episode, they made it clear that the drug slipped to the character was RU-487, and never referred to it as the morning after pill. Although I see you added a statement to the bottom of your original post, doesn't seem like anyone is seeing it, and this is a defamation of a great little show.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:26 pmDoes it occur to anyone that the morning after pill's stated purpose is essentially to cause a miscarriage on a very early pregnancy...
February 7th, 2007 at 4:47 pm203. Did they not have sex education at your school? Or wait... did your school buy into that Newt Gingrich Gives the Facts of Life program? Conception isn't instantaneous. The morning after pill prevents implantation which can also happen without the morning after pill. Lots and lots of fertilized eggs never implant and are carried out of the woman during menses.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:35 pmSo, can't stand it, since sometimes the zygote doesn't implant for some natural reason or another, it's ok to just go ahead and prevent it from implanting? I don't follow your reasoning. And what kind education have you recieved? Conception isn't instantaneous? Yes, in fact it is. Conception and implantation are two completely different processes. Boy do I wish people would either take a human development class or pick up a book at least once before arguing this issue.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:27 pmHere's a study, with several nations participating, of mifepristone (outdated investigational name ru486) used as a morning after pill.
As an antiprogestin agent mifepristone has many different effects on the reproductive process, not just aborting an already implanted human embryo. Hope my link works, because my html is rusty, but it's an easy google anyway.
mifepristone study
Yes, Eamon is correct that the life of a human organism starts with fertilization, and this is the salient moral controversy, not the ACOG's redefinition of the term 'pregnancy'.
Some people would use accidental human deaths to justify willful killing.
For example, one might say that natural failures to implant justifies killing human embryos up to the blastocyst stage, miscarriages of embryos or fetuses justifies later surgical or chemical abortions, still births justify the infanticide occuring presently at certain hospitals.
I do not agree that natural deaths justify willful killing.
Since mifepristone, levonorgestrel, various other progestins, and estrogen progestin combinations have all been used as morning after pills, and "morning after" is not literal, since there may be a delay in the use of any of these pills, there seems to be not much, other than the personal sensitivities of the author, to inspire the protest against CW.
February 8th, 2007 at 5:55 pmKilling humans is killing humans. Does it really matter when in the lifespan of the human organism that this killing occurs?
Your facts are wrong. The episode isn't about Plan B, it's about RU 486. They're completely different drugs.
February 16th, 2007 at 9:00 pmI've heard the writers for the show thought the mix-up would be funny, but its more obnoxious than anything & only feeds into the misinformation about sexual health information. It would have only been funny if so many did not confuse the two- which the writers did by clearly minimalizing & incorrectly portraying the 'ease' of a medical abortion.
The administration of RU-486 (a Medical Abortion) is a lot more complex than simply 'slipping someone the pill' & it causing a miscarriage- there are a few other chemicals that must be given to cause a medical abortion- so it actually looks like the writers goofed up, were sloppy in there research & won't admit their mistake or flat out misled viewers with this issue. Note to writers- its only funny if its a clear flub that can be identified by the majority of the public.
#203 You are confusing what constitutes a pregnancy. Medically speaking, a pregnancy only occurs IF and ONLY IF implantation of an embyro occurs. The morning after pill (and birth control pills) does in some cases prevent implantation, but it does not end an established pregnancy (technically speaking). You may feel it 'ends a life' b/c it prevents the embryo (or human life as you may call it) from implanting, but to call it a pregnancy is factually wrong. The morning after pills stated use & actual purpose is to #1 prevent ovulation (which prevents the creation of an embryo (human life as you call it) & the morning after pill does this very thing in the vast majority of its uses. Indeed though, it can & does prevent an embryo (not a pregnancy) from implanting & starting a pregnancy, but to actually terminate a pregnancy(even a very early one) is incorrect. Once the embryo implants, it takes a lot more than a simple dose of progestin (morning after pill) to actually cause a miscarriage or abortion, and indeed even RU-486 (abortion pill) can not single handedly cause an abortion in most cases & other chemicals & hormones must be involved.
February 19th, 2007 at 6:30 pm