Comments on: The Rev. Ted Haggard http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:07:35 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Tell Z Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-2015824 Tell Z Truth Tue, 06 Mar 2007 05:19:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-2015824 enuchs were not gay men... they were men who were castrated (celibate) to be a servant to the master.... why do many gay guys (like yourself) use this verse to justify your gay lifestyle?... christians do not hate you, we just believe in adam and eve, not adam and steve... if you are gay, then say it!... but dont try to mix your opinion with the God's Word, the bible... I am not perfect AT ALL, in fact I am a sinner just like you, and everybody else in this world, and i am not saying that i am better than you either, but it is not right, according to the bible, to like other men... enuchs were not gay men… they were men who were castrated (celibate) to be a servant to the master…. why do many gay guys (like yourself) use this verse to justify your gay lifestyle?… christians do not hate you, we just believe in adam and eve, not adam and steve… if you are gay, then say it!… but dont try to mix your opinion with the God’s Word, the bible… I am not perfect AT ALL, in fact I am a sinner just like you, and everybody else in this world, and i am not saying that i am better than you either, but it is not right, according to the bible, to like other men…

]]> By: mikhail http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1987805 mikhail Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:11:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1987805 Evangelicals and christians in general tend to be so obsessed with sex, gender and genitals to the point that you would think that morality = sex and nothing more. Why I suppose in an evangelical’s mind a heterosexual drug dealer is ‘morally’ superior to a gay philanthropist. Christians in general are guilty of being self righteous and are constantly pretending to ‘love the sinner but hate the sin ‘ as if they can really do that -hah.!!! May I remind them that the oft repeated mantra of the modern pharasees ‘ love the sinner but not the sin’ is not a quote from Jesus , but a glib semantic invention of some self righteous baptist minister. Careful scholars of biblical texts who are familiar with the intricacies of ancient oriental languages are wont to not read their bias into isolated quotations. Jesus had no problems with gays ( natural eunuchs born of the mother’s womb). If you are anti-gay or condemnatory of gay people than you are out of sync with Jesus. This is what Jesus said: KJV Matthew 19:12 12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. No less an authority than Jesus said it is o.k. to be gay, and for you to accept it. Who do you wish to follow - Jesus (of Nazareth) or Jerry (Falwell). For more detail discussion of this biblical position on the acceptance of gay people by no less an authority than JESUS - THE SON OF GOD , I refer you to this link : http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/gaysJesus2.htm Mikhail - a child of the intelligent Universe <strong></strong> Evangelicals and christians in general tend to be so obsessed with sex, gender and genitals to the point that you would think that morality = sex and nothing more. Why I suppose in an evangelical’s mind a heterosexual drug dealer is ‘morally’ superior to a gay philanthropist. Christians in general are guilty of being self righteous and are constantly pretending to ‘love the sinner but hate the sin ‘ as if they can really do that -hah.!!!

May I remind them that the oft repeated mantra of the modern pharasees ‘ love the sinner but not the sin’ is not a quote from Jesus , but a glib semantic invention of some self righteous baptist minister.

Careful scholars of biblical texts who are familiar with the intricacies of ancient oriental languages are wont to not read their bias into isolated quotations.

Jesus had no problems with gays ( natural eunuchs born of the mother’s womb). If you are anti-gay or condemnatory of gay people than you are out of sync with Jesus.

This is what Jesus said:

KJV Matthew 19:12
12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

No less an authority than Jesus said it is o.k. to be gay, and for you to accept it. Who do you wish to follow – Jesus (of Nazareth) or Jerry (Falwell).

For more detail discussion of this biblical position on the acceptance of gay people by no less an authority than JESUS – THE SON OF GOD , I refer you to this link :

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/gaysJesus2.htm

Mikhail – a child of the intelligent Universe

]]> By: mikhail http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1987803 mikhail Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:10:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1987803 Evangelicals and christians in general tend to be so obsessed with sex, gender and genitals to the point that you would think that morality = sex and nothing more. Why I suppose in an evangelical’s mind a heterosexual drug dealer is ‘morally’ superior to a gay philanthropist. Christians in general are guilty of being self righteous and are constantly pretending to ‘love the sinner but hate the sin ‘ as if they can really do that -hah.!!! May I remind them that the oft repeated mantra of the modern pharasees ‘ love the sinner but not the sin’ is not a quote from Jesus , but a glib semantic invention of some self righteous baptist minister. Careful scholars of biblical texts who are familiar with the intricacies of ancient oriental languages are wont to not read their bias into isolated quotations. Jesus had no problems with gays ( natural eunuchs born of the mother’s womb). If you are anti-gay or condemnatory of gay people than you are out of sync with Jesus. This is what Jesus said: KJV Matthew 19:12 12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. No less an authority than Jesus said it is o.k. to be gay, and for you to accept it. Who do you wish to follow - Jesus (of Nazareth) or Jerry (Falwell). For more detail discussion of this biblical position on the acceptance of gay people by no less an authority than JESUS - THE SON OF GOD , I refer you to this link : http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/gaysJesus2.htm Mikhail - a child of the intelligent Universe Evangelicals and christians in general tend to be so obsessed with sex, gender and genitals to the point that you would think that morality = sex and nothing more. Why I suppose in an evangelical’s mind a heterosexual drug dealer is ‘morally’ superior to a gay philanthropist. Christians in general are guilty of being self righteous and are constantly pretending to ‘love the sinner but hate the sin ‘ as if they can really do that -hah.!!!

May I remind them that the oft repeated mantra of the modern pharasees ‘ love the sinner but not the sin’ is not a quote from Jesus , but a glib semantic invention of some self righteous baptist minister.

Careful scholars of biblical texts who are familiar with the intricacies of ancient oriental languages are wont to not read their bias into isolated quotations.

Jesus had no problems with gays ( natural eunuchs born of the mother’s womb). If you are anti-gay or condemnatory of gay people than you are out of sync with Jesus.

This is what Jesus said:

KJV Matthew 19:12
12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

No less an authority than Jesus said it is o.k. to be gay, and for you to accept it. Who do you wish to follow – Jesus (of Nazareth) or Jerry (Falwell).

For more detail discussion of this biblical position on the acceptance of gay people by no less an authority than JESUS – THE SON OF GOD , I refer you to this link :

http://www.hiddenmeanings.com/gaysJesus2.htm

Mikhail – a child of the intelligent Universe

]]> By: Tell Z Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1902407 Tell Z Truth Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:34:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1902407 You are absolutely right, love God and love your neighbor wether he or she is a sinner or not, gay or straight, you are right my brother.... You are absolutely right, love God and love your neighbor wether he or she is a sinner or not, gay or straight, you are right my brother….

]]> By: mikhail http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1867844 mikhail Fri, 23 Feb 2007 09:16:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1867844 why are christians so obsessed with other peoples sexuality..so obsessed with sex, gender and genitals...really, don’t they worry about real stuff , like poverty, famine, environmental degradation, war and pestilence, the rich gettting richer and the poor getting more destitute. Why do they get so obessed with homosexuals, claiming it is a threat to the family ..HOW? if your husband runs off with the hussy next door, how can it be the fault of gays/lesbians? How can gays/lesbians be responsible for 505 divorce rate ( incidentally highest divorce are in the bible belt ha ha ). If your son does drug and your daughter gets laid while on booze - how is that the fault of gays/lesbians. Christians historically sought out scape-goats..they used to blame Jews, then blacks, then gypsies , then women and now since it is no longer fashionable to blame jews or blacks etc, they have to pick on vulnerable minorities like gays and lesbians. Hitler did not kill 6 million jews in a vacuum. Centuries of marginalization and denigration and demonizing of jews as Jesus killer enable common german citizens to exercise false moral authority in killing jews. In like fashion centuries of demonizing and denigration of homosexuals embolden wicked and otherwise morally bankrupt ‘straight’ bigots to descrimiaate and do violence to gay and lesbian and other sexual minorities . Furthermore picking on a scape-goat makes christians feel superior and ‘saved’. Denigrating others is easier than exercising love,charity and compassion which is actually the most basic teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Sadly Christians hardly practise the most important commandemt of Jesus ie. Love God then immediately love your neighbour as yourself ( be he/she gay or staight). It is AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS WHEN THEY IN FACT DO NOT PRACTISE THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT OF JESUS !!! THEY WOULD RATHER BE HYPOCRITES AND BE LIKE THE PHARASEES OF OLD DUUUH ! mikhail - a child of the Universe why are christians so obsessed with other peoples sexuality..so obsessed with sex, gender and genitals…really, don’t they worry about real stuff , like poverty, famine, environmental degradation, war and pestilence, the rich gettting richer and the poor getting more destitute.

Why do they get so obessed with homosexuals, claiming it is a threat to the family ..HOW? if your husband runs off with the hussy next door, how can it be the fault of gays/lesbians? How can gays/lesbians be responsible for 505 divorce rate ( incidentally highest divorce are in the bible belt ha ha ).

If your son does drug and your daughter gets laid while on booze – how is that the fault of gays/lesbians. Christians historically sought out scape-goats..they used to blame Jews, then blacks, then gypsies , then women and now since it is no longer fashionable to blame jews or blacks etc, they have to pick on vulnerable minorities like gays and lesbians.

Hitler did not kill 6 million jews in a vacuum. Centuries of marginalization and denigration and demonizing of jews as Jesus killer enable common german citizens to exercise false moral authority in killing jews. In like fashion centuries of demonizing and denigration of homosexuals embolden wicked and otherwise morally bankrupt ‘straight’ bigots to descrimiaate and do violence to gay and lesbian and other sexual minorities .

Furthermore picking on a scape-goat makes christians feel superior and ‘saved’. Denigrating others is easier than exercising love,charity and compassion which is actually the most basic teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Sadly Christians hardly practise the most important commandemt of Jesus ie. Love God then immediately love your neighbour as yourself ( be he/she gay or staight).

It is AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS WHEN THEY IN FACT DO NOT PRACTISE THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT OF JESUS !!! THEY WOULD RATHER BE HYPOCRITES AND BE LIKE THE PHARASEES OF OLD DUUUH !

mikhail – a child of the Universe

]]> By: Tell Z Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1803941 Tell Z Truth Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:33:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1803941 To Mrs Democrat Soldier: Where in the bible did you find that? (New or Old Testament? Author?Chapter? Verse? To Mrs Democrat Soldier:
Where in the bible did you find that?
(New or Old Testament? Author?Chapter? Verse?

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1686434 Democrat Soldier Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:44:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1686434 #142 - So, if it's in the Bible, it must be true? So, do you beat your slaves like the Bible says is OK, as long as they live loonger than 1 day after the beating? Do you kill your children if they curse you, like the Bible says you should? Do you burn everything a woman touches during "that time of the month" like the Bible says you should? Why not!?!? If the Bible is the "final auhority" then you must agree with my above statements! #142 – So, if it’s in the Bible, it must be true?

So, do you beat your slaves like the Bible says is OK, as long as they live loonger than 1 day after the beating?

Do you kill your children if they curse you, like the Bible says you should?

Do you burn everything a woman touches during “that time of the month” like the Bible says you should?

Why not!?!? If the Bible is the “final auhority” then you must agree with my above statements!

]]> By: Tell Z truth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1674679 Tell Z truth Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:58:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1674679 Guys, first of all men of the world and children of God will never understand eachother, stop wasting your time debating... If you are truly children of God, then you should compasionate, patient, and understanding of eachother, addressing your concerns with love.... it sounds to me that neither of you want to think is wrong.... i say read your bible, pray about it, then ask God for wisdom.... if your conclusion does not align with the bible, then its probably not true and should not be followed.... only One is true remember... He is the way(seek him for direction), the truth (read the bible), and the life (the good shepard gives good life to his sheep)... Lastly, pastor Haggard did wrong but must be forgiven, and you cannot trust him so soon.... Yes of course we can pray for him and pray with him; homosexuality is not contagious, but through God's perfect grace we can definately be healed, only time will tell.... We should hope for best for Mr. Haggard, I just dont think that he would be a good idea if he preached the word to the flock, i think he's talent would be more suited in helping those who are going through the same thing via the Word of God...GOD BLESS and lets forgive and forget.......CHEERS! Guys, first of all men of the world and children of God will never understand eachother, stop wasting your time debating… If you are truly children of God, then you should compasionate, patient, and understanding of eachother, addressing your concerns with love…. it sounds to me that neither of you want to think is wrong…. i say read your bible, pray about it, then ask God for wisdom…. if your conclusion does not align with the bible, then its probably not true and should not be followed…. only One is true remember… He is the way(seek him for direction), the truth (read the bible), and the life (the good shepard gives good life to his sheep)… Lastly, pastor Haggard did wrong but must be forgiven, and you cannot trust him so soon…. Yes of course we can pray for him and pray with him; homosexuality is not contagious, but through God’s perfect grace we can definately be healed, only time will tell…. We should hope for best for Mr. Haggard, I just dont think that he would be a good idea if he preached the word to the flock, i think he’s talent would be more suited in helping those who are going through the same thing via the Word of God…GOD BLESS and lets forgive and forget…….CHEERS!

]]> By: sfvalues http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1669060 sfvalues Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:44:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1669060 Daryll, Do you have a job or anything? Or, are you between semesters now? You seem to have an awful lot of free time to do your byble thumbing and tell the rest of us to repent so we can spend eternity with you. Funny Ted/Art/WhateverHerNameIsNow is planning on studying psychology. Good thing he's studying online: that makes the restrooms in the campus library a lot safer. steve. Daryll, Do you have a job or anything? Or, are you between semesters now? You seem to have an awful lot of free time to do your byble thumbing and tell the rest of us to repent so we can spend eternity with you.

Funny Ted/Art/WhateverHerNameIsNow is planning on studying psychology. Good thing he’s studying online: that makes the restrooms in the campus library a lot safer.

steve.

]]> By: STL Cynic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1667003 STL Cynic Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:44:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1667003 Unfortunately for Ted, I heard that his first sermon when returned to the pulpit will be on his love for Peter. Unfortunately for Ted, I heard that his first sermon when returned to the pulpit will be on his love for Peter.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1666879 big papa Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:15:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1666879 We’re just trying to reverse your plan by instilling biblical standards into our society. Comment by Daryll — <em><strong>Daryll's (Conned'self-servative) "biblical standards: don't abort 'em... but don't support 'em ...pro-life...except in Iraq, Afghanistan or in the ghettoes of the U.S... ...kill everyone who's not like "them"... ...I too can be an oppressor one day, with the right tax cut... ...hypocrisy is good, if you can get away with it...</strong></em> ...God must be chompin at the bit to send Daryll and his kind to hell... ...I know I am... We’re just trying to reverse your plan by instilling biblical standards into our society.

Comment by Daryll —

Daryll’s (Conned’self-servative) “biblical standards:

don’t abort ‘em… but don’t support ‘em

…pro-life…except in Iraq, Afghanistan or in the ghettoes of the U.S…

…kill everyone who’s not like “them”…

…I too can be an oppressor one day, with the right tax cut…

…hypocrisy is good, if you can get away with it…

…God must be chompin at the bit to send Daryll and his kind to hell…

…I know I am…

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1666410 Democrat Soldier Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:37:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1666410 #136 - I'm reminded of the old joke: What's the difference between a "straight man" and a "curious bisexual man"? About a six-pack of beer. To us gays, it's not just a joke, but the truth. #136 – I’m reminded of the old joke:
What’s the difference between a “straight man” and a “curious bisexual man”?

About a six-pack of beer.

To us gays, it’s not just a joke, but the truth.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1661298 Jay Randal Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:36:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1661298 Lee > they had Haggard watch all 4 versions of the Snickers ad, that has 2 rednecks kissing while both eating a Snickers candy bar, then they do weird things to each other or try to kill themselves drinking motor oil. After Haggard saw the commercials, he claims he is cured of being a homosexual > lol not. Lee > they had Haggard watch all 4 versions of the Snickers ad, that has 2 rednecks kissing while both eating a Snickers candy bar, then they do weird things to each other or try to kill themselves drinking motor oil. After Haggard saw the commercials, he claims he is cured of being a homosexual > lol not.

]]> By: Lee http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1661074 Lee Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:20:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1661074 Exactly how do you think they drove the homosexuality out of Haggard? Did they give him a six-pack of beer? Order him a subscription to Playboy? Did they have him attend numerous hockey games? Did they have him watch Cinemax After Dark?! WTF??!!!! Exactly how do you think they drove the homosexuality out of Haggard?

Did they give him a six-pack of beer? Order him a subscription to Playboy? Did they have him attend numerous hockey games? Did they have him watch Cinemax After Dark?!

WTF??!!!!

]]> By: Lee http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1661031 Lee Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:15:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1661031 Now that he is, uh, "cured", do you think Bush will turn to him again for religious counsel?!! Now that he is, uh, “cured”, do you think Bush will turn to him again for religious counsel?!!

]]> By: Gerald Gibson Jr http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1660158 Gerald Gibson Jr Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:45:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1660158 Ever been with a gay male prostitute? Then you are gay and always will be. Do we look like a bunch of idiots or are you just a self delusioned christian? Ever been with a gay male prostitute? Then you are gay and always will be. Do we look like a bunch of idiots or are you just a self delusioned christian?

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1659910 Bluedog49 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:56:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1659910 And, verily as St. Daryll fought the scourge of liberalism, he was surrounded by Pagans and, his head having exploded, rose to sit at the right hand of Bush almighty. Amen. And, verily as St. Daryll fought the scourge of liberalism, he was surrounded by Pagans and, his head having exploded, rose to sit at the right hand of Bush almighty. Amen.

]]> By: DRxJ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1659862 DRxJ Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:43:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1659862 #133 Earthling, methinks Yikes was posting about our own Saint Daryll, who only pipes in with his nonsensical posts that deal with his version of sin (homosexuality). He, Saint Daryll, offers nothing in regards to other threads. He's a closet homosexual, and he's trying damn hard to supress that by offering (often wrongly) Biblical passages. Hey, maybe you two could hook up? You could probably help St. Daryll overcome his <em>confusion</em> #133
Earthling, methinks Yikes was posting about our own Saint Daryll, who only pipes in with his nonsensical posts that deal with his version of sin (homosexuality).
He, Saint Daryll, offers nothing in regards to other threads. He’s a closet homosexual, and he’s trying damn hard to supress that by offering (often wrongly) Biblical passages.
Hey, maybe you two could hook up? You could probably help St. Daryll overcome his confusion

]]> By: Earthling http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1659832 Earthling Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:35:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1659832 Yikes -- Actually, I post in many categories. I happen to be gay, and don't pretend to be something else. Y'all could learn a thing or two about being truthful. I'm not hiding. Why are you? If you're too stupid to see I was mocking the "god is gonna getcha" stance of these latent homosexuals, then you're too stupid. Yikes — Actually, I post in many categories. I happen to be gay, and don’t pretend to be something else. Y’all could learn a thing or two about being truthful. I’m not hiding. Why are you? If you’re too stupid to see I was mocking the “god is gonna getcha” stance of these latent homosexuals, then you’re too stupid.

]]> By: Lucifer http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/comment-page-3/#comment-1658878 Lucifer Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:20:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/06/the-rev-ted-haggard/#comment-1658878 He must have seen that Snickers commercial. He must have seen that Snickers commercial.

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