Christian doctors back Texas HPV vaccine mandate.
By on Feb 7th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Christian doctors back Texas HPV vaccine mandate.
On Friday, Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) “signed an order Friday making Texas the first state to require that schoolgirls get vaccinated against the sexually transmitted virus that causes cervical cancer,” bypassing opposition from right-wing groups. The Christian Medical Association has now come out in support of Perry’s decision. CMA’s CEO notes that the HPV vaccine “will provide young women and girls with an important measure of protection against the virus.”
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Well, of course. It’s the “Christian thing to do”. Just ask the Governor. He’ll tell ya! Big Brother is alive and well at your local Baptist church.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:24 pmI think its all good that they will get this vaccine, but I don’t know what to think about how it was done. Republicans are always talking about popular sovereignty over issues. I think this could be a bad precedent. No matter how good the cause, an executive should not have the power to bypass the other parts of the government. That is what leads to a dictatorship.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:24 pmthis is the one of the few things I will ever agree with Rick Perry on. Good job governor.
I have yet to hear one valad explination of why this is a bad idea… how it could possibly encourage teens to have sex or how it takes away “parental right” whatever the hell that means.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:27 pmI’d also like to know if Perry received campaign contributions from the company that produces this vaccine.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:28 pmShouldn’t all women be penalized for their sexual promiscuity! After all, isn’t death from cancer is a suitable punishment? The male has nothing to do with this and should not be punished! The right wingers have a sound argument!
February 7th, 2007 at 4:29 pm/satire off
#2 Ashen,
What body of government sets the laws on all of the other vaccine requirements for kids? Is it a federal mandate or does it vary state by state?
I dont have kids so i have no clue.
But I DO think the good this will do far outweighs any possible gray area… if some one decides to make it a law that everyone must get the new shot for… lets say fertility. THEN we can look into the semantics…
its CANCER for gods sake! it can prevent CANCER in our CHIRLDEN!
February 7th, 2007 at 4:34 pmIf HPV caused male testicels to rot, vaccination would be mandatory double quick.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:34 pmConsidering the decline of religiosity among the youngest generations, the church seems to be realizing that, even for them, change is inevitable… Evolve or become obsolete.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWhile on the surface the idea sounds good, I have serious reservations about how legislation was bypassed, the lobbying actions of the drug company in question and the political involvement of said Christian Medical Association. The whole thing just simply reeks of sticky fingers, schmooze power and money. I trust these good fellas about as far as I can see ‘em.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:35 pmFrom what I read, a parent can opt out of the vaccine for their kid for moral or religious reasons so I have no problem with it. Bravo for Gov. Perry.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:36 pm#7, Doro
you are so very correct.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:40 pmIf HPV caused male testicels to rot, vaccination would be mandatory double quick.
Comment by doro — February 7, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Absolutely – it’s why this vaccine comes years AFTER Viagra, Cialis and the other impotency cures…
February 7th, 2007 at 4:40 pmGlad to hear it can be an option under certain conditions. I don’t think it should be forced on people. Funny the Christains are for it, which wouldn’t have anything to do with the revenue big pharma is set to make? Na, didn’t think so.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:42 pmI wish everyone would stop dropping that dirty word “Christian” everywhere as if it carried with it a sense of legitimacy.
“Christian” this, “Christian” that and now “Christian” doctors; please give us all a break.
Devoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth. They “believe” in things which, upon giving it some rational thought, would send them to the looney bin.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#6 hil
I don’t know much, but from my quick search, and I may be wrong, but the federal government indirectly requires different vaccines. Its all attached to funding states receive from the fed. And I know there are certain vaccinations that are required for going to schools, i don’t know about public schools, but i know i had to get a vaccination before i started university.
And I think this vaccine should be required, but I’m questioning the way it was done. I’d rather it been done through lawmaking than by decree.
February 7th, 2007 at 4:43 pmYou can’t say ‘v i a g r a’ or the post gets eaten…
February 7th, 2007 at 4:48 pmWhen this vaccine can prevent at least 70 percent of the deaths from cervical cancer, of course its the right thing to do and damn the critics anyway.
Anyone who opposes the vaccine is NOT a good person, period.
While it hurts to say this, Perry did the right thing this time.
This is about preventing a deadly disease, not some religious nuts trying to control everyone’s sexual activities.
Religious nutbags, get over yourselves, seriously
February 7th, 2007 at 4:50 pm“Christian†this, “Christian†that and now “Christian†doctors; please give us all a break.
It is they who make the distinction. They are some of the most divisive people on the planet.
Devoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth. They “believe†in things which, upon giving it some rational thought, would send them to the looney bin.
Comment by nofltwlt — February 7, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Too bad there’s not a vaccine for that :)
February 7th, 2007 at 4:53 pmWhen this vaccine can prevent at least 70 percent of the deaths from cervical cancer, of course its the right thing to do and damn the critics anyway.
Comment by Wayne — February 7, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Sometimes the end justify the means.
Unfortunately, the neocons don’t realize that it’s only when people benefit from those means…
February 7th, 2007 at 4:55 pmChristian doctors? Since when where physicians polled as to their religious affiliation? Besides, they’re too busy to fool with such inane bullcrap.
Who really cares what christians or doctors think about this vaccine anyway? This is an absurd issue which deserves zero consideration or time.
This should be a personal choice and not something decided upon by a gaggle of christian anythings!
February 7th, 2007 at 4:57 pmBesides, what do we know about this vaccine which seemingly just popped up on the radar recently? Who makes it (and which Bushco corporation this time will profit from this new “law”?) Follow the money trail…..follow the money trail and you may find yourselves surprised as to the veracity of the scientific information about this vaccine as well as who might stand to profit most from it.
How long were the test trials done? where were they done? What is the reputation of the individuals producing these trials?
What are the side effects of the vaccine? What are the side effects of this vaccine in ten years?? In 20 years?? When these kids reach maturity?
Remember Thalidomide anyone? Yeparoo…they thought this was a “wonder drug”, didn’t they??? And we know how that mangled children produced by women who took it.
This cavalier administration can be trusted with absolutely nothing….they’ve suppressed scientific data on global warming and now they miraculously come up with this new “wonder drug”???
This makes me very suspicious……we need far more information on this wonder vaccine before we should be supporting it without question.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:01 pmSounds like Bush taking care of his “Big Pharma” buddies to me! Extreme caution is necessary here before promotion of this wonder drug. People need to do their homework and trust no one any longer.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:03 pmBesides, what do we know about this vaccine which seemingly just popped up on the radar recently? — veritas
There is lots of info on the internet tubes.
Google is your friend.
This is a vaccine against a virus, not a wonder drug, genius….
February 7th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#4 Yes he did, the original stories on friday has the exact amount he received from Merck. He also has at least one ex-Merck person working for him.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:08 pmThis makes me very suspicious……we need far more information on this wonder vaccine before we should be supporting it without question.
— veritas
From the National Cancer Institute about the clinical trials.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:17 pmVaccine Protects Against Virus Linked to Half of All Cervical Cancers
#2 – “No matter how good the cause, an executive should not have the power to bypass the other parts of the government. That is what leads to a dictatorship.” Comment by AshenShard — February 7, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Well, Gov. Perry was groomed by then-Gov. “Duh-bya” Bush!
Is anyone else surprised by him slipping into the dictatorial realm?
I think this was the right decision to make. Parents are given opportunity to “opt out” of the vaccine for their children, so it’s not being forced upon anyone.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:21 pmBasically: I agree with veritas. There’s no need to require this vaccine.
If you don’t want HPV, don’t have sex. If you want to have sex, know that you might get HPV. If you want to have sex, but don’t want HPV, get the vaccine. We don’t need big brother telling us what to do. especially when its very likely that he’ll make a large profit from doing so.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:24 pmThese neocons have to be trained to recognize the difference between a vacine and a medicine. I learned in 5th grade science class when we were taught about the evolution of the smallpox and rabies vacines. I guess that means that most neocons dropped out or shut down their minds before fifth grade.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDon’t have sex?
When will you neocons accept that sex is just as much of a human need as all others?
Maybe when you stop denying your own homosexuality and finally experience it…
Sheesh…
February 7th, 2007 at 5:33 pmIn fact, I hate to break it to you – but you would not be here if your parents had not had sex. None of us would…
Deal with it.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWhen young girls find out they can’t have children or become deformed because of this vaccine all the so called Religious leaders and the Governor will have gotten their money and it will be up to the Federal Government to pay for medical treatment. This is all about people being paid for allowing kids to be experiment’s. Bush as lead the way for anyone to sell out for money even if it cost lives. Look at the GOP who are watching our troops die everyday yet doing nothing about trying to keep them safe. Life means nothing anymore it’s now a country of everyone for themselves. You wonder why kids are killing each other their doing by adult example.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:39 pmSex is a human need?
Who woulda thunk that?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:40 pmDevoutly religious people are the most dangerous people on earth. They “believe†in things which, upon giving it some rational thought, would send them to the looney bin.
Comment by nofltwlt — February 7, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
Too bad there’s not a vaccine for that :)
Comment by unbelievable — February 7, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
It’s not called a vaccine, it’s called deprogramming! The very thing the christians say they did to Haggert – except homosexuality cannot be deprogrammed but believing in fairy tales can be.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:40 pmWho woulda thunk that?
Comment by ForTruth — February 7, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Uh, well… you :D
February 7th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIt’s not called a vaccine, it’s called deprogramming!
Comment by Yikes — February 7, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
I wasn’t serious…
February 7th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIt’s not called a vaccine, it’s called deprogramming!
Comment by Yikes — February 7, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
I wasn’t serious…
Comment by unbelievable — February 7, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
I realize that unbelievable – but I was!!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:47 pmIf you want to have sex, but don’t want HPV, get the vaccine.Comment by shortman009
If you know about the virus. Many young girls don’t know, because education that involves sex and health issues is very much influenced by the evagelical right. Remember, every bit of information about contraception, condoms, sex makes the youth promiscuous, therefore they are not to know about this.
So what happens? You refuse to inform girls about the danger and then tell them they should have been vaccinated after they have been diagnosed with cervical cancer fifteen years after the infection? And what about the girls, whose parents refuse to vaccinate and/or inform, because of the above mentioned “reasons”?
There have been times when womens’ wombs were removed as a routine precaution at about the time of the menopause. Never mind the misery, they didn’t need that thing anymore, was what male doctors thought.
Make vaccination mandatory and reduce suffering!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:47 pmIf you don’t want HPV, don’t have sex.—- shortman009
And with this you show you have no understanding of human nature. People have sex, it is a natural drive. All the religious crap spouting in the world will stop them from having sex.
This is a vaccine against a deadly virus, are you really as stupid as your post shows?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI realize that unbelievable – but I was!!
Comment by Yikes — February 7, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
The cure for religion is reality-based education, which I suppose is the same as deprograming, really.
Some of my students were complaining about a guest speaker telling them that god loves them or some nonsense like that. I considered it a sign of hope…
February 7th, 2007 at 5:53 pmI think the libruls are at it again. The shots probably have some gay virus in them that makes you go gay. Help! Help! They are gonna pollute our precious bodily fluids!
February 7th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIn my opinion mandatory vaccination is a very scary thing. Right now in NY and many other states there is a rewuirement to vaccinate every child before entering school. THis is done while the child is developing and the vaccinations contain some serious chemicals including traces of mercury. There is agrowing number of medical professionals that believe this is a cause of the higher rates of autism that has been happening ever since the vaccinations started. The ONLY way to not have your child not subjected to a vaccine such as the one for chickenpox, which is not a major threat, and others is for religious reasons and not rational belief fo harm. We can see how pharmisuticals and their government lackeys “care” about the end user all the time and I would be very weary of this precident.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:05 pmHere’s another PRO CHOICE topic.
We were talking about this at work today, while I think the vaccine could be a wonderful thing, another side of me thinks it’s not so good to have it forced upon you. As other mentioned I question the Vaccine in the first place, how long has it been around? What have been the side effects? Who’s paying for these mandated shots? Does it contain mercury? I don’t really trust the drug companies much these days. They can make men grow hair, and get an erection, but they haven’t cured any diseases or even the common cold have they? I just see allowing this one forced vaccine, which seems to be a better vaccine humanity wise, opens the door later for more experimental vaccines forced upon us. After all our govt always knows what’s best for us right?
It’s our body, let us make the choice right?
February 7th, 2007 at 7:57 pmAnyone interested can read more about the vaccine here:
http://www.nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/HPVHOME.htm
February 7th, 2007 at 8:09 pmThe vaccine is better than abstinence!
Abstinence is not enough. Even if a woman waits until she is married before she has sex—or even waits until after she is married and only has sex when she wants to have a child (the ultimate goal of fundamentalists)–she can get HPV from her husband. Also, sadly, women can get raped. The vaccine protects women when abstinence can’t.
We need to keep reminding the fundamentalists—abstinence-only education does not increase abstinent behavior (but several comprehensive programs do). So, that is also not a plan to prevent cervical cancer. Especially since they support the wrong programs for their stated goals.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:36 pmSyphilis used to kill millions of people until the twentieth century. When effective antibiotic treatment first came out for syphilis in the early 20th century, there was an outcry from Christian conservatives who said that making treatment available was interfering with God’s will and promoting sexual promiscuity. There would be no debate about a cancer vaccine being mandatory if it dealt with other forms of cancer such as lung, breast, prostate and colon cancer or leukemias and lymphomas. Yet, because this particular vaccine deals with a cancer caused by a virus that is transmitted by sex, people start getting uptight about giving it to their daughters to prevent cervical cancer.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:36 pmThe reason to mandate vaccination is that the more people who get vaccinated, the less virus there is to be transmitted. This is how we were abile to eradicate polio in many areas of the world.
February 7th, 2007 at 9:38 pmWow. For people NOT supposed to have sex and from a government NOT willing to give out condoms, this seems like an extreme measure. Are even the good little Christian girls getting the shot? They have very little faith in those little skanks, eh?
I think I’ll have my daughter pass on this.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:10 pmExactly! Did they poll Muslim physicians? Hindu physicians? Jewish physicians? I think you know the answer as well as I do.
HELL NO!!!
Life in Jesusland…..
February 7th, 2007 at 10:44 pmMan, this post and its Christian hatred really turns off those of us who are Christian AND progressive. FYI, most of your liberal and humanist ideas would not have evolved in the West without Christ’s teachings. What liberal, radical or pprogressive religion did the Roman’s and Greeks preach? That’s what you would have today if not for Christ. “Religious people are the most dangerous people on earth?!…Puleeze. As if it hasn’t been mostly atheistic and nihilist idoelogies that have rained death on humanity over the past 100 years.
February 8th, 2007 at 3:32 amGood-bye.
As if it hasn’t been mostly atheistic and nihilist idoelogies that have rained death on humanity over the past 100 years.
Good-bye.
Comment by William — February 8, 2007 @ 3:32 am
Frankly, I think the cause has been the human nature in itself, and the religion (or lack of) the excuse to cause that rain of death. BTW, Hitler was a fervent catholic, many of his officers christian protestants and they slaughthered around 17 milion of ‘atheistic and nihilist’ soviets (soldiers and civilians altogether), among many other people of different religions. The first ones suffering the concentration camps were german socialist, communists and freethinkers, and Spanish Civil War exiliates. The emperor of Japan was a divine being himself (if you believe in the shintoist religion).
February 8th, 2007 at 7:29 amalright morons.
obviously people are going to have sex, duh. i wasn’t seriously implying that people shouldn’t. i know full well about human nature. but i’m mostly agreeing with jackie when she said When young girls find out they can’t have children or become deformed because of this vaccine all the so called Religious leaders and the Governor will have gotten their money and it will be up to the Federal Government to pay for medical treatment. This is all about people being paid for allowing kids to be experiment’s. Bush as lead the way for anyone to sell out for money even if it cost lives. Look at the GOP who are watching our troops die everyday yet doing nothing about trying to keep them safe. Life means nothing anymore it’s now a country of everyone for themselves. You wonder why kids are killing each other their doing by adult example.
i know girls my age that are getting the vaccine now and they all said “i don’t remember hearing about this in health class”. exactly. because they didn’t. this should also change. there’s nothing at all wrong with letting people decide for themselves what they want to do with themselves.
oh. and next time. please read my post past the part where it says don’t have sex so its not taken out of context. yes, context. it was hypothetical, best case.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:38 amBlah, blah, blah has it right. I surely don’t trust our government. Instead, there should be good, honest information disseminated and then the girls and their parents should make their choice. We have lost too much autonomy already and look where it it leading us.
February 8th, 2007 at 11:30 amQuit deifying Perry. He’s a snake. One decision that he made not because he cares, but because he’s in bed with pharma, and some progrossives start fawning all over him.
February 8th, 2007 at 11:34 amVeritas asks all the right questions. Read his/her comments. Incidentally, young people will always have sex. The drive is stronger than any prohibitions will ever be. The only thing the moral crusade against sex will produce is a dysfunctional sense of guilt.
February 8th, 2007 at 11:36 amAttention! Progress Report writers: I am glad you are covering the story of Gov. Perry’s mandating the HPV vaccine for girls, but what’s FREAKING ME OUT is that you keep putting it in the “Good News” column. As most of the above comments show, this news is riddled with ethical, medical, social, political, economic etc. problems – problems being “bad” things, not “good”. How ’bout puting it in the “State Watch” column? Thanks!
February 8th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI’d like to insert in this issue, that the Christian bashing is not well.
February 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 pmA group laying claim to a Christian title does not actually mean, categorically, that every one involved is Christian in heart, faith and true understanding of God’s Word.
If God didn’t give us free will, then we wouldn’t be here to learn and observe to “choose” between good and bad. Therefore, dictatorship is too far reaching…especially for one claiming to be a Christian by faith in trusting the will of God for humanity.
Governor Perry left an outlet for those unwilling to have, much less to pay for, their own children to become test trials. The only thing is, intimidation doesn’t stop with the “opt-out”, it’s only the beginning….and those who will choose it, will first have to know that it is an “option”….which is the unspoken and hidden right not offered nor afforded within the local schools innoculations program.
Yes, such a ruling…is a “ruling” and that’s the only fact that is currently clear.
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