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Fifth U.S. chopper downed in Iraq in two weeks.

“A Sea Knight helicopter went down northwest of Baghdad on Wednesday, the military said, the fifth helicopter lost in Iraq in just over two weeks. The CH-46 helicopter went down about 20 miles northwest of the capital, U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said, but he declined to comment on casualties.”

UPDATE: MSNBC: “U.S. official says all 7 people on chopper were killed in Iraq crash.”



80 Responses to “Fifth U.S. chopper downed in Iraq in two weeks.”

  1. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Sounds like the ’surge’ is working out swimmingly so far.

    How many more of our sons and daughters have to die for this administration’s imperialistic ambitions for global hegemony?


  2. firehead says:

    Great to see the liberals cheer American deaths. Go guy are something.


  3. Jeffrey says:

    They are getting good at this. I understand there is video in one of the attacks of a shoulder-fired weapon. This will not be the last chopper that will be shot down this month, I’m afraid.


  4. Raven says:

    The “Bagdhad offensive” is beginning.
    They will lay neighborhoods to waste, exactly as they did to Fallujah.
    A black zone will be created around the Green Zone, with even less electricity, water and services.
    Women, children, and the elderly will bear the brunt of the devestation.
    The insurgents will melt into the background, and reemerge with more recruits and no fewer weapons.
    And the American war machine will blame their failure on the Iraqi’s, and then Iran.
    And not neccesarily in that order.


  5. Jay Randal says:

    Pentagon keeps covering up for failures of the Bush Regime in Iraq!


  6. ForTruth says:

    No one is cheering deaths Firehead. We just know its inevidible. We want it to stop.

    This was all started for the control of global oil supply.


  7. RUCerious says:

    The deaths of all these soldiers lays squarely at the feet of the chymperor.
    Blast his eyes.


  8. VerbalKint says:

    Great to see the liberals cheer American deaths. Go guy are something.

    Comment by firehead — February 7, 2007 @ 10:43 am

    Another ridiculous strawman from a Bush bootlicking bedwetting cultist with nothing to say.


  9. john o. says:

    Don’t those insurgents know that the November election is over, so they don’t need to keep up the level of violence? What are they thinking?


  10. Manuel says:

    What’s really sad is that the Pentagon still denies that fire fron the groud causes most of this accidents, they always say that is under investigation, they want us to believe 5 choppers just broke down because of a mechanical failure or human error ??


  11. Sharon Cox says:

    More of this dreadful mess bull shit bush started..If it doesn’t improve soon I may have to start drinking Bailey’s in my morning coffee…..

    I have emailed all representatives and screamed my head off to stop this terrible war and get no response, any one else getting any result’s….?..Blessings


  12. firehead says:

    To ForTruth:

    This war had nothing to do with oil. That is a left wing talking point. This was was because Saddam violated UN resolutions 17 times. You don’t gamble with a madman and hope he doesn’t have WMDs, not in a post-9/11 world. You attack. Iran will be next.


  13. Raven says:

    A CH-46 is a big machine, it takes more than small arms fire to bring one down.
    Unless, of course, General Dynamics supplies parts to build them……..


  14. Raven says:

    The Republican party gambled with a madman in 2000, hoping he didn’t have weapons for the destruction of democracy.


  15. Yikes says:

    “This war had nothing to do with oil.”

    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Your butt must be pretty hot with your firehead stuck in it.


  16. Raven says:

    I think he mis-spelled his name, too, should be mire-head……


  17. Jay Randal says:

    So when does the Pentagon give the casualty figures for this copter crash? CH-46 is a big helicopter, so I bet about up to 30 soldiers could have died.


  18. TripMaster Monkey says:

    firehead sez:

    This war had nothing to do with oil. That is a left wing talking point. This was was because Saddam violated UN resolutions 17 times.

    I call bullshit. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was being planned as early as 1998. Check here for details.

    You don’t gamble with a madman and hope he doesn’t have WMDs, not in a post-9/11 world.

    We didn’t have to hope. All reliable intelligence stated unequivocally that Saddam had no WMDs. The administration knowingly cherry-picked intelligence reports, choosing the few unreliable reports that claimed evidence of WMDs soley because they dovetailed with the administration’s previously-laid plans to invade and occupy Iraq. Check here for details.

    You attack. Iran will be next.

    Yes, we know. It’s all part of this administration’s plan for global hegemony. Check here for details.


  19. DRxJ says:

    Iran will be next.
    Comment by finehead — February 7, 2007 @ 11:16 am

    And whose cheering for the death of Americans?

    to use your own quote
    Yes, go guy is something alright!


  20. Juan C says:

    This was was because Saddam violated UN resolutions 17 times.
    Comment by firehead

    Considering the US has vetoed 70+ UN resolutions, when do we bomb the US, f*ckhead?


  21. Zooey says:

    firehead,

    Since the 1950s, at least, this country has propped up every tyrant and dictator, regardless of what their politics were or what they did to their own citizens — as long as the flow of oil stayed constant.

    That’s why so many people on this planet hate our guts. Stop being a piss-soaked whiner, and do the research for yourself.

    Or, just turn on Fox and relax into the required stupor. Whatever you prefer.


  22. Yikes says:

    Juan C “Considering the US has vetoed 70+ UN resolutions, when do we bomb the US, f*ckhead?”

    Ouch, that will leave a mark!


  23. tarazan says:

    Didn’t Dick Cheney say of insurgency’I think they’re in the last throes’…that was end of May,2005.


  24. Zooey says:

    Considering the US has vetoed 70+ UN resolutions, when do we bomb the US, f*ckhead?
    Comment by Juan C

    That is a great point, Juan.

    People like firehead are always so concerned with other people’s poor behavior, but ignore the fact that the US is one of the worst behaved.


  25. Liberal in New Mexico says:

    The only thing that could make this horrible news sound bright would be to hear that Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Chertoff, Rumsfeld and Snow were all on that helicopter. So monkey-boy, what’s next? Are the Gods angry enough, yet?


  26. tarazan says:

    #12.-Firehead..> Our ally Israel violated UN resolutions and still is more than any other member in the UN body.Why then we didn’t bomb Israel?!!..if your theory is correct that we bomb nations and change regimes simply because they violated UN resoltuions…!


  27. Juan C says:

    but ignore the fact that the US is one of the worst behaved.
    Comment by Zooey

    Or choose to, Zoo. Like Exley and bob.

    How are you? Coffee was good. :)


  28. [B!] says:

    Now the Pentagon say’s it was a mechanical problem.
    Yea, riiight!
    Speaking of UN. resolutions,firehead,how many has Israel ignored?


  29. ForTruth says:

    I see Firehead has ingested many gallons of sperm-laden koolaid.


  30. Raven says:

    Israel is also, technically,
    a rogue nuclear state.
    It is understood that they have nuclear weapons, yet they refuse to declare such.
    They also had a lot of help developing these weapons….. Guess who helped, if not by actually providing them?


  31. ForTruth says:

    Golly Raven, who?

    I know the US provided them.


  32. ForTruth says:

    Kinda like Anvilhead.

    One would think Firehead would be in agreement with the global conquest of energy reserves. He probably is, but knows not to go there.


  33. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Boy…firehead shut up in a hurry, didn’t he?


  34. Raven says:

    …….right on, dude……


  35. Zooey says:

    How are you? Coffee was good. :)
    Comment by Juan C

    Doing well. Just getting ready to head to school for my first Geology exam. Feeling good about it. :-)

    How are you doing?


  36. Barfly says:

    Sorry to repost, but I think this is important:

    Paul Bremer told members of Congress today that he was aware that nonexistent “ghost employees” were on America’s payroll when he was administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq in 2003 and 2004.

    But because the real employees – who provided security for Iraqi ministries – were “74,000 armed men, it seemed a lesser risk to continue paying” everyone while trying to figure out who was actually showing up for work.

    “On the streets, you’d call that protection money,” remarked Congressman Danny Davis, an Illinois Democrat. When Davis asked whether any of that money had wound up in the hands of insurgents, Bremer said he didn’t know. But “if we stopped paying them, my judgment was we could have real trouble.”

    My Social Security funds are being used to arm the insurgents? So how the hell do I support the troops now? I’m supplying their enemies with money for weapons, and paying for “ghost employees.” And so are Ann Coulter, David Brooks, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, and all Americans who contribute payroll taxes. We have all been thoroughly Pogo’ed. Bush has officially tied Reagan as the most traitorous president in history. Funding insurgent attacks against American soldiers, sending more troops in to face these US -funded extremists, and gutting Social Security to do it. Another Bush Trifecta.


  37. Raven says:

    …. rock on, Zooey..:)


  38. firehead says:

    You liberals are something else. Like Dick Cheney said, we have to have the stomach for the fight. Like Rupert Murdoch said, on a historical basis, thse American deaths are minute. We probably lost 3000 troops in a month in World War II. You guys gotta get touch. If we had liberals in charge and the media of today back then, we would have cut n’ run right in the middle of the D-Day invasion! Too many casualites…oh I’m scared.


  39. karlX says:

    do people like firehead ever come back, having followed some of the educational links, and say: “Wow, I’ve been so blind”

    zooey, arent you at school?

    jaun must be on coffee cup number 6?

    is bob an american atrocities apologist? i havent seen that yet
    \
    #18, trip master monkey, that has got to be one of the best comments this week


  40. karlX says:

    firehead, i see you havent done the reading required of you by TripMaster in comment #18

    and werent you the one accusing us of cheering deaths of soldiers?
    and ow your saying 3000 is unimportant?
    have you enlisted?

    ignorance is not welcome here, unless you’re willing to listen


  41. karlX says:

    exley, you do have a point; but that said: many nations, including the u.s. have broken international law and not been bombed, invaded,etc. But, often a veto can be interpreted as a clue to crimes being commited by said nation. But the general point here being that you can’t expect others to follow international law, u.n. resolutions, if you yourself are not willing to follow them.


  42. DRxJ says:

    You liberals are something else. Like Dick Cheney said, we have to have the stomach for the fight.
    Comment by finehead — February 7, 2007 @ 12:28 pm

    Yes, we are something else. Basically not chickenhawks like yourself and Deadeye Dick. And what military branch did our V.P. serve?

    Like Rupert Murdoch said, on a historical basis, thse American deaths are minute.
    Oh really. A family less than 20 miles from where I live has lost their son, killed in Iraq. Please contact them and let them know how minute his death was!

    You guys gotta get touch
    That’s just creepy!

    If we had liberals in charge and the media of today back then, we would have cut n’ run right in the middle of the D-Day invasion!
    I’m curious, what party affilitation was Franklin D. Roosevelt? You might want to look that one up!

    Too many casualites…oh I’m scared.

    says the poster as he cheers American fatalities.

    C’mon boy. Enlist for the cause, NOW!


  43. klyde says:

    KarlIX @42

    it’s not ignorance, it’s mindless subservience to an ideology that turns the American idea on it’s head. Everything you and the others said firehead, exley and the rest already know but choose to reject because they have no other choice.


  44. karlX says:

    klyde,
    well that is a sad assessment, i guess i hold out hope that they’ll actaully learn a little, wake up a bit, see through their brainwashing…

    false hope i suppose


  45. TerrytheTurtle says:

    Like Dick Cheney said, we have to have the stomach for the fight. He didn’t in the 60s, so why pay attention to him now?

    thse American deaths are minute. We probably lost 3000 troops in a month in World War II. Ah, so now lives are cheap to you again. Why don’t you say that to one of those families. And this isn’t World War II dude, WWII started for the US when it was attacked, not when it did the attacking – and at least the troops new what the mission was and when it would be over.

    You guys gotta get touch. If we had liberals in charge You did – FDR.

    New troll please, this one is broken.


  46. Zooey says:

    zooey, arent you at school?
    Comment by karlX

    Nope. A friend is giving me a ride, so I didn’t have to run out to catch the bus. I’ll be out of here in a few minutes.

    Just so you know, I don’t work at school, I’m a student at school. :)

    Later, ya’ll!


  47. klyde says:

    well it was at 42


  48. Ron Paul for pres says:

    This war had nothing to do with oil. That is a left wing talking point. This was was because Saddam violated UN resolutions 17 times. You don’t gamble with a madman and hope he doesn’t have WMDs, not in a post-9/11 world. You attack. Iran will be next.

    Comment by firehead — February 7, 2007 @ 11:16 am

    Israel is in violation of about 35 UN resolutions. They have WMDs. I guess it’s time to invade. Can’t gamble, right?

    P.S. – Both Iraq and Afghanistan were entirely about oil.


  49. Kat says:

    # 11, Sharon –

    In an phone conference with bloggers yesterday, Russ Feingold, asked Americans to now CALL, FAX or set up a meeting with our Reps in Congress to voice our oppoistion towards escalation.

    I am not sure if I am allowed to name the blog here where this is printed, but the title of the piece is “Because Russ asked you to…”). There is a transcript of the conversation and it is really quite interesting.

    Please call, fax etc your Reps (and the others) to voice your opposition to the plans for our military in regards to Iraq. If they want to hear from us (supposedly), then We the People, need to speak and be heard!!!


  50. Barfly says:

    We probably lost 3000 troops in a month in World War II.

    And, ironically, during that war a Bush was also helping our enemies.

    Anything to say about CPA Bremer funneling cash to the same insurgents attacking American soldiers? That’s taking the concept of “friendly fire” to an absurdist extreme, don’t you think?


  51. karlX says:

    so where are people like firehead, how do we get through to such zombies; are they just busy eating up tv bites? soaking up biogotry from mother and father? angry and sheltered. isn’t someone teaching these children the ability think critically, to research and arrive at informed opinions; this is just depressing me today; maybe i need some of juan’s coffee….

    #45 ha, terry, that’s funny “broken troll”
    i’m picturing them being sent out by a troll bombardment machine


  52. Juan C says:

    this is just depressing me today; maybe i need some of juan’s coffee….
    Comment by karlX

    It was good. Strong without sugar…
    Hey, when does calcio begin again? You said you were in Italy, right?


  53. Juan C says:

    Zoo:

    Geology? In a sociology program?
    Wow…no wonder why you are a superpower…among other things.

    Everything is fine, Zoo. Im trying to get into teaching elementary and high school to adults. Lets hope. Its time to give something back to society. :)


  54. Exley says:

    karlX, #41

    I understand what you are saying. But not every violation of international law or UN Security Council Resolution carries with it the same type of enforcement action. A UN SC resolution finding that Denmark is infringing on the fishing rights of Norway (to use a made up example) will likely not result in UN approved military action against Denmark. By contrast, a UN SC resolution condemning a nation’s forced annexation of another country or support for terrorists could indeed result in such UN-sanctioned military action. In other words, the punishment has to fit the crime.


  55. Barfly says:

    By contrast, a UN SC resolution condemning a nation’s forced annexation of another country or support for terrorists could indeed result in such UN-sanctioned military action. In other words, the punishment has to fit the crime.

    Comment by Exley

    Forced annexation? That would be Kuwait, after George Bush 1 told Saddam we wouldn’t interfere? Kind of bathes your “punishment has to fit the crime” in a nonsensical light, don’t you agree?


  56. karlX says:

    juan,
    no sadly, we moved from italy to the u.s about 3 years ago (east coast now, moving west coast soon)

    hard to follow “calcio” from here (i dont have a tv, and it is hard to find good european calcio reports online)

    i was happy to see juventas booted down (i’m a Roma fan)
    and even happier to Berlusconi voted out, what a relief…

    Juan, are you in the u.s.?

    okay, back to the subject:
    “support of terrorism”, i’d love to see that concept applied universaly, you Exley?


  57. Juan C says:

    Juan, are you in the u.s.?
    Comment by karlX

    No, born in Argentina and living in Mexico. I liked Roma when Batistuta play there. Now, Totti is a great, great player…too bad he gets pissed too often.

    In other words, the punishment has to fit the crime.
    Comment by Exley

    mmm…lets see, what would be the punishment for this?

    The Republic of Nicaragua v. The United States of America was a case heard in 1986 by the International Court of Justice which found that the United States had violated international law by supporting Contra guerrillas in their war against the Nicaraguan government and by mining Nicaragua’s harbors. The Court ruled in Nicaragua’s favor, but the United States refused to abide by the Court’s decision, on the basis that the court erred in finding that it had jurisdiction to hear the case. The court stated that the United States had been involved in the “unlawful use of force

    On November 3, 1986 the United Nations General Assembly passed a non-binding resolution in order to pressure the U.S. to pay the fine. Only El Salvador, which also had disputes with Nicaragua, and Israel voted with the U.S. In spite of this resolution, the U.S. still elected not to pay the fine.

    What a champion of justice and democracy, Ex.


  58. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    This war had nothing to do with oil. That is a left wing talking point. This was was because Saddam violated UN resolutions 17 times. You don’t gamble with a madman and hope he doesn’t have WMDs, not in a post-9/11 world. You attack. Iran will be next.

    Comment by firehead

    Are you f*cking serious? Do you truly believe what you just posted?

    You are already gambling with a madman, a*shole!!!! BUSH!@!!!!! Boy you are an idiot.


  59. karlX says:

    #57 juan, when roma won the “scudetta” (italian championship) in 2002(?) they really had a fun team, they also had alot of brazilian greats like emerson. so you must be drinking good coffee? not easy to find around here, dunkin donuts and starbucks, you know since coming back to the U.S., it reminds me of what in grade school and highschool american students would learn about the USSR: a place dominated by an elite military culture brainwashing the down trodden masses. It’s what the U.S. now resembles, with little specks of hope like Democracy now! or hundreds of Thousands marching in Washington; i digress from an off point digression

    what did you think of the recent mexican elections? i was dissapointed, to put it mildly.

    how the hell do you pull those articles and stats out of nowhere? i was going to try to cite the case of nicaragua but realized it would take me an hour to gather up the necessary facts (to be used as an example of u.s. state sponsored terrorism, Ex), well done


  60. Exley says:

    Juan,

    The ICJ Nicaragua/U.S. case is widely criticized in international legal circles as an improper use of the court the court’s decision to hear the case was improvidently granted use for a myriad of reasons.

    One reason being that Nicaragua had no right to sue in the ICJ because Nicaragua had not accepted the compulsory jurisidiction of the Court, unlike the U.S. In other words, the Court incorrectly concluded that while Nicaragua refused to subject itself to ICJ jurisdiction, it could nonetheless sue other nations in the same forum.

    Beyond the fact that the ICJ improperly granted jurisdiction, the court also deviated from legal norms by denying the petition of El Salvador to intervene in the case, pursuant to Article 63 of the ICJ statute. The court even refused to hear oral arguments from El Salvador’s attorneys. For this, the ICJ was widely criticized.

    With the court ignoring its own rules for the granting of jurisdiction, the U.S. withdrew from the proceedings, as was its legal right. Thus, during the trial on the merits, the representatives of the U.S. did not appear nor was any evidence or arguments presented by the United States.

    Even when deciding the case on the merits, the ICJ did not find that the U.S. had violared the United Nations charter.

    Moreover, dissenting judges criticized the majority for its decision, determining that Nicaragua was an aggressor. One judge wrote:

    “Nicaragua has not come to court with clean hands. On the contrary, as an agressor, indirectly responsible — but ultimately responsible — for large numbers of deaths and widespread destruction in El Salvador, apparently much exceeding that which Nicaragua has sustained. Nicaragua’s hands are odiously unclean. Nicaragua has compounded its sins by misrepresenting them in court.”

    Indeed, in 1991 Nicaragua asked that its suit against the United States be withdrawn. This was officially done in 1992.


  61. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Ah, more disinformation from everyone’s favorite support of terrorism, Exley.

    The ruling did in many ways clarify issues surrounding prohibition of the use of force and the right of self-defence. Arming and training the Contra was found to be in breach with principles of non-intervention and prohibition of use of force, as was laying mines in Nicaraguan territorial waters.

    Nicaragua’s dealings with the armed opposition in El Salvador, although it might be considered a breach with the principle of non-intervention and the prohibition of use of force, did not constitute “an armed attack” which is the wording in article 51 justifying the right of self-defence.

    The Court also considered the United States claim to be acting in collective self-defence of El Salvador, and found the conditions for this not reached, as El Salvador never requested the assistance of the United States on the grounds of self-defence.

    Please note Exley, that item one violated UN Customary International Law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_international_law

    I hope you don’t practice law for a living, you’re unsuited to the profession.


  62. Juan C says:

    well done
    Comment by karlX

    I just use google.com, a search machine and typed: US vs Nicaragua + UN resolution. Its from a site named wikipedia.

    Now, dont offend by the simplicity of my instructions, it is just that certain people, like my parents, dont know how to use internet and since your question remind me theirs, thats why I put it that way.

    After Columbia, I would say that Mexico has the best grains of coffee. But I dont drink coffee from Starbucks or other US company or from Nestle, they win 30 times what the farmer wins. Its modern slavery and its allowed by the WTO.

    Mexican elections: Just like latinamerican elections. Middle class afraid of changes that contribute to a fair society. Ruling class inventing propaganda to stay in power and lower classes struggling to survive. Same thing, different days. I am as dissapointed as you, but in a sense, I guess its OK, probably when we realise how dumb we are as a society, we can start changing things.


  63. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Indeed, in 1991 Nicaragua asked that its suit against the United States be withdrawn. This was officially done in 1992. Comment by Exley — February 7, 2007 @ 4:19 pm

    Of course they did, we were going to continue boycotting them if they didn’t. It doesn’t change the fact we violated the law, and that the UN found us guilty of doing so.

    We are in fact more in violation of international law than Saddam was, but hey, who cares when the US does immoral acts. We’re doing it for God, right? We can safely set aside our morals to prevent a larger moral catastrophe, right?

    You moral relativists are so cute when support illegal acts and terrorism while claiming the high ground. You’re like small children that claim you had the toys first. Too bad there wasn’t a supernanny around to help your parents raise responsible and mature children. The world would have been a better place if that had happened.


  64. Juan C says:

    Moreover, dissenting judges criticized the majority for its decision, determining that Nicaragua was an aggressor.

    Ha ha ha!!!!

    Ok, Ex, whatever. You bring me all the “law” you want. I will bring justice when you are prepared for that.


  65. Exley says:

    Moreover, Juan, you are incorrect when you write that a “fine” was imposed upon the United States. Indeed, the ICJ specifically rejected Nicaragua’s request for an interim award of damages:

    ” It also considers that there is no provision in the Statute of the Court either specifically empowering it or debarring it from making an interim award of the kind requested. In a cases in which one Party is not appearing, the Court should refrain from any unnecessary act which might prove an obstacle to a negotiated settlement. The Court therefore does not consider that it can accede at this stage to this request by Nicaragua.”


  66. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Ah, Exley the prince of inaccurate propaganda strikes again.

    “The Court is requested to adjudge and declare that compensation is due to Nicaragua, the quantum thereof to be fixed subsequently, and to award to Nicaragua the sum of 370.2 million US dollars as an interim award. After satisfying itself that it has jurisdiction to order reparation, the Court considers appropriate the request of Nicaragua for the nature and amount of the reparation to be determined in a subsequent phase of the proceedings. It also considers that there is no provision in the Statute of the Court either specifically empowering it or debarring it from making an interim award of the kind requested. In a cases in which one Party is not appearing, the Court should refrain from any unnecessary act which might prove an obstacle to a negotiated settlement. The Court therefore does not consider that it can accede at this stage to this request by Nicaragua.”

    http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/icases/inus/inus_isummaries/inus_isummary_19860


  67. Exley says:

    Exactly, #66. As I said, no fine was assessed or levied against the U.S. It is clear your knowledge and understanding of the case does not extend beyond using Google and Wikipedia.


  68. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Exactly, #66. As I said, no fine was assessed or levied against the U.S. Comment by Exley — February 7, 2007 @ 7:24 pm

    Yet the decision was decided that one was due.

    (13) By twelve votes to three,
    Decides that the United States of America is under an obligation to make reparation to the Republic of Nicaragua for all injury caused to Nicaragua by the breaches of obligations under customary international law enumerated above;

    IN FAVOUR: President Nagendra Singh; Vice-President de Lacharrière; Judges Lachs, Ruda, Elias, Ago, Sette-Camara, Mbaye, Bedjaoui, Ni and Evensen; Judge ad hoc Colliard;

    AGAINST: Judges Oda, Schwebel and Sir Robert Jennings.
    (14) By fourteen votes to one,

    Decides that the United States of America is under an obligation to make reparation to the Republic of Nicaragua for all injury caused to Nicaragua by the breaches of the Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation between the Parties signed at Managua on 21 January 1956;

    IN FAVOUR: President Nagendra Singh; Vice-President de Lacharrière; Judges Lachs, Ruda, Elias, Oda, Ago, Sette-Camara, Sir Robert Jennings, Mbaye, Bedjaoui, Ni and Evensen; Judge ad hoc Colliard;

    AGAINST: Judge Schwebel.

    (15) By fourteen votes to one,

    Decides that the form and amount of such reparation, failing agreement between the Parties, will be settled by the Court, and reserves for this purpose the subsequent procedure in the case;

    IN FAVOUR: President Nagendra Singh; Vice-President de Lacharrière; Judges Lachs, Ruda, Elias, Oda, Ago, Sette Camara, Sir Robert Jennings, Mbaye, Bedjaoui, Ni and Evensen; Judge ad hoc Colliard;

    AGAINST: Judge Schwebel.

    It is clear your knowledge and understanding of the case does not extend beyond using Google and Wikipedia.
    Comment by Exley — February 7, 2007 @ 7:24 pm

    It is clear your knowledge and understanding of the case does not extend beyond talking points. The judgement was that reparations were due. Whether those occurred, were settled, or were finally dropped by the Nicaraguans as a means to end the embargo against them is a different matter. International law sided with Nicaragua, and categorically decided that reparations were due.

    Check, and mate.


  69. Exley says:

    Incorrect again:

    “In spite of this resolution, the U.S. still elected not to pay the fine.”

    As I have demonstrated, there was no “fine” assessed or levied that the U.S. “elected not to pay.”

    Game, set, and match.


  70. outtamind says:

    Woooooooo Hoooooooooooooooo !!!

    Fight On Iraqi Freedom Fighters !!!!!!!!!!

    Repel and Destroy All Invaders and Occupiers and OIL Stealers !!!!

    The Fight Is Becoming A Little More Fair, No ??


  71. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    As I have demonstrated, there was no “fine” assessed or levied that the U.S. “elected not to pay.”
    Game, set, and match.
    Comment by Exley — February 7, 2007 @ 7:46 pm

    Sure there was, the ruling established that a fine was due. The US just dragged out the settlement on how much the fine would be, until they could help rig an election in their favor through the embargo.

    Game, set, and match.

    You really aren’t a very good player though. You move the goalposts, like all ‘con-men’ do.


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