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ThinkFast: February 7, 2007

By Think Progress on Feb 7th, 2007 at 9:05 am

ThinkFast: February 7, 2007


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On grand jury audiotapes played at his trial yesterday, Scooter Libby claimed he learned about Valerie Plame’s CIA identity from Vice President Cheney, “forgot it, then learned it again” from Tim Russert “a month later.”

Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty testified yesterday that a senior federal prosecutor in Arkansas was removed for political reasons to make room for a former aide to Karl Rove. McNulty claimed that at least six other U.S. attorneys were fired for “performance-related” issues, including Carol Lam, who oversaw the prosecution of former Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA).

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has introduced legislation to raise the “veil of secrecy” on the work of military contractors. The bill requires several departments to report the number of contractors and subcontractors employed in Iraq and Afghanistan, a description of their work, and the total costs of contracts there.

Lawmakers are unhappy about the 110th Congress’s five-day work week. A “visibly annoyed” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) said, “I just told [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] I won’t be back by 4:30″ for the vote Monday, “even though I’m catching a 1:55 flight.” Both Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) have said they will keep the full work week, despite the complaints.

“Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) says he’s optimistic about achieving his longstanding legislative priority this year — requiring electronic voting machines to have paper backups so election results can be verified.” Hold reintroduced his paper trail bill on Monday, and it is “widely expected to become law.”

Tourism is in Crawford, TX — President Bush’s hometown — is lagging. Some residents say the hard times reflect “the president’s sinking popularity over the war in Iraq and a daunting influx of anti-war protesters.”

“The biggest sexual discrimination case in U.S. history advanced against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. on Tuesday when a top court ruled that more than a million women could join a suit charging bias in pay and promotions.”

“After 10 years and $1.7 billion, this is what the Marines Corps got for its investment in a new amphibious vehicle: A craft that breaks down about an average of once every 4 1/2 hours, leaks and sometimes veers off course,” the Washington Post reports, “And for that, the contractor, General Dynamics of Falls Church, received $80 million in bonuses.”

“The growing number of immigrant entrepreneurs in major U.S. cities is giving a huge lift to urban economies and even outpacing self-employed native-born Americans,” according to a new report..

And finally: “Why did Rep. Dan Burton (R-IN) miss 19 House votes over four days in mid-January? Where was he?” As it turned out, Burton took a week off from work to play golf at the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic in Palm Springs, CA. In 2000, Burton “scheduled a panel field hearing in nearby Los Angeles the same week as the Bob Hope event,” purportedly to “study whether Soviet agents had ever hidden secret stashes of weapons in the United States in case World War III broke out.” “It’s my understanding that there are many potential targets for Russian sabotage in California,” Burton said at the time.

What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.



126 Responses to “ThinkFast: February 7, 2007”

  1. Kay says:

    Dang It ALL!

    I was going to be spending my vacation in Crawford. I was gonna take my veHICle and see the sights of good ‘ol Crawford.

    I reckon this is enough for me to go Nucluar!


  2. Juan C says:

    A “visibly annoyed” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) said, “I just told [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] I won’t be back by 4:30″ for the vote Monday, “even though I’m catching a 1:55 flight.”

    This piece of —- should be taken to a black poor neighborhood, adopt 3 children and get three jobs. Or taken to San Diego to work along with latin illegals for just a daily job…

    Yeah, Im gonna go for a cup of coffee to chill out.



  3. Juan C says:

    U.S. military says copter down in Iraq

    BAGHDAD, Iraq – A Sea Knight helicopter went down northwest of Baghdad on Wednesday, the military said, the fifth helicopter lost in Iraq in just over two weeks.

    The CH-46 helicopter went down about 20 miles northwest of the capital, U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said, but he declined to comment on casualties.


  4. Briseadh na Faire says:

    McNulty responded later: “When I hear you talk about the politicizing of the Department of Justice, it’s like a knife in my heart.

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it?


  5. Larry from C says:

    Yesterday Buzzflash ran this headline story, from 2003, that if true would amount to the biggest fraud and mismanagement in history. Yet I don’t remember hearing anything about it in the corporate media.

    MILITARY WASTE UNDER FIRE
    $1 TRILLION missing — Bush plan targets Pentagon accounting

    To put it in context 1 Trillion is 100x’s the 10 Billion we all know is missing in Iraq. Just imagine losing $10 Billion–ONE-HUNDRED days in a row!

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL


  6. loretta says:

    aren’t they funny? Cryin’ like babies–don’t tell me this joker can’t get a Sunday afternoon or Monday morning flight, either. We should all demand that our elected officials publish their schedules like Tester in MT.


  7. doro says:

    After 10 years and $1.7 billion, this is what the Marines Corps got for its investment in a new amphibious vehicle: A craft that breaks down about an average of once every 4 1/2 hours, leaks and sometimes veers off course,” the Washington Post reports, “And for that, the contractor, General Dynamics of Falls Church, received $80 million in bonuses.”

    Sounds to me as if it was developed by Microsoft.


  8. Zimzone says:

    Tourism is in Crawford, TX — President Bush’s hometown — is lagging.
    Our President is lagging, sagging while gagging the truth.
    W’s determination to make some kind of legacy is killing our young. It’s killing our National resources. He’s managed to make America one of, if not the most, hated countries on the planet.
    He uses the natural patriotism of our citizens as a smokescreen to keep any sunlight out of what’s really going on in Iraq.
    I never thought I’d see the day that an American president would use lies & deceit to cover his own ass.
    Pathetic.
    Impeach, Incarcerate & never forget.


  9. Juan C says:

    Sounds to me as if it was developed by Microsoft.
    Comment by doro

    Maybe General Dynamics are using russian spare parts.


  10. Democrat Soldier says:

    “Lawmakers are unhappy about the 110th Congress’s five-day work week.”

    Oh, my! It must be really difficult to get to work on-time five days out of the week! How much more difficult can life be for our elected congressmembers!

    Tough cookies! Everyone else working a full time job has hours they have to work, and they get off their lazy hineys and do it or get fired.

    Maybe the House & Senate should give all members a report-card that shows the number of legislative days held, and the absences of each member in relation. Then you could see if your representative or senator is working full-time or not!


  11. TripMaster Monkey says:

    On grand jury audiotapes played at his trial yesterday, Scooter Libby claimed he learned about Valerie Plame’s CIA identity from Vice President Cheney, “forgot it, then learned it again from NBC News reporter Tim Russert a month later.”

    Russert is on the stand today, and he’s expected to join everyone else who’ve lined up to call Libby a liar.

    Don’t lose sight of this one, folks…this is impeachment-grade material.


  12. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Let’s see. Senators and Representatives, our employees, get paid over $150,000 a year, and they’re griping to us, their boss, about having to work 5 days a week?

    Three cheers to Senator Jon Tester:

    “That’s what I signed up for,” said Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont. “We shouldn’t complain about a little inconvenience. I got a lot of people in my state working two five-day weeks,” he added, referring to constituents with two or more jobs.


  13. dlet says:

    “The growing number of immigrant entrepreneurs in major U.S. cities is giving a huge lift to urban economies and even outpacing self-employed native-born Americans,”

    I guess that tired old saying needs to be changed to “Immigrants are creating the jobs that Americans don’t want to.”


  14. veritas says:

    Amazing how the thieves and crooks in Congress show their arsses when they have to put in a 40 hour work week like the rest of us peons!


  15. Quadrajet says:

    Reid and Pelosi seem to be unmoved by Pat’s whining. Maybe he should try clicking his heels three times and repeating ‘there’s no place like the 109th’


  16. veritas says:

    And, since they are paid by “us”, let’s fire their royal arsses out of Congress the first chance we get. I believe they’ve all forgotten for whom they work these days. We pay their salaries – all of them – even the royalty in the WH – Emperor Dumbya and his cohort, Royal Dickie-Do-Do. The people need to remind them that they serve “at the pleasure of the people”.


  17. Briseadh na Faire says:


    “General Dynamics of Falls Church, received $80 million in bonuses.”

    And who do we find on the Board of Directors of General Dynamics?

    Why, it’s Jack Keane, one of the architects of Bush’s plan to implement a “surge” in Iraq. So, here’s an ex-general, making a profit of the lives of soldiers.


  18. veritas says:

    Another thought might be this: if they are unhappy about their cushy jobs in Congress and their royal salaries, then perhaps they might like being deployed to Iraq instead?? Give them the choice.


  19. veritas says:

    #18 What sleazy webs they weave! I believe we need to investigate and “out” all those making mucho dinero off this war machine “gravy train” and then correlate how they vote….hahahah! It’s a “no brainer” but I do believe that since they are on the payroll of the american people, the american people have a right to know for whom they “really” work. Let’s get out the dawgs and dig in for some investigative work.


  20. Curious Teddy says:

    Great that is all consumers need now is for a bunch of angry women to drive up child slave labor prices even further. I happen to like paying cheaper prices for my goods on the backs of child slave labor in foreign lands. Women, you are not helping the economy by punishing Wal Mart for your lack of being able to read a timeclock.

    One person screwed their timecard up and it kept multiplying over time, and that is how it affected these one million women.

    It isn`t WalMarts fault they hire people this stupid and then they turn around and sue them! How UnAmerican!!

    Go ahead women, drive my prices up even more, you are only hurting the economy which is war driven. And when you hurt a war driven economy, you prolong the war.

    I will be cursing you women twice on the way to WalMart from now on. Once for driving up prices with this ridiculous and frivolous lawsuit. Second for prolonging the war through economic extortion of WalMart. Someone has to make these costs up and you can bet it won`t be the child laborers in distant lands.

    They will be forced to workj harder and longer now to make up for the cost punishment that WalMart will soon be recieving at that hands of and angry mob of tampons.


  21. Briseadh na Faire says:

    Dan Burton (R-IN) miss[ed] 19 House votes over four days in mid-January

    I wonder if the people in Indiana feel like their employee is doing the job he’s being paid over $150k to do?


  22. VerbalKint says:

    Add McNulty to the docket for the coming Nuremberg II trials.


  23. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Oh look…Rachel’s back.


  24. klyde says:

    I can’t wait to hear Timmy Punkinhead on the stand.


  25. Evil Spaniard says:

    So, if having 3 jobs to pay the bills is “an american value” (ha ha ha!), whining and moaning about having one and not wantig to work the full 40 hours what is?


  26. VerbalKint says:

    Comment by Curious Teddy — February 7, 2007 @ 9:43 am

    Surely you jest, Teddy. No one wants to be seen as a pathetic, whining, woman-hating, corporate bootlicker bereft of a soul, which is how your post reads.


  27. ed says:

    Comment by Curious Teddy — February 7, 2007 @ 9:43 am

    Women, you are not helping the economy by punishing Wal Mart for your lack of being able to read a timeclock.

    One person screwed their timecard up and it kept multiplying over time, and that is how it affected these one million women.

    Can you offer any explanation at all for these remarks?


  28. Quadrajet says:

    Curious Teddy no doubt, but we’re even less interested in what you’re wearing than what your posting Rachel


  29. Juan C says:

    Ignore the troll…come on, lets do this for one day at least no matter what she posts…


  30. hacker bob says:

    Ignore the troll…come on, lets do this for one day at least no matter what she posts…

    Comment by Juan C

    Thanks for the reminder Juan.


  31. big papa says:

    MILITARY WASTE UNDER FIRE
    $1 TRILLION missing — Bush plan targets Pentagon accounting

    Comment by Larry from C #6

    That money isn’t MISSING!

    …and Bushiva and his criminal co-conspirators…

    …know EXACTLY where it is…

    …they also know that…

    …the dumb a*s al Crackkker hordes who worship them…

    …are more concerned with striking down Roe v Wade, same-sex marriage, and keeping lazy n***ers off welfare…

    …Bin Laden…

    …w/ Bushiva, L’il Dick and the House of Saud’s help…

    …is going to BANKRUPT our (the working poor/middle class’) children…


  32. Juan C says:

    Hey, Spaniard, whos your team in Spain?


  33. Raven says:

    Regarding Pat Roberts’ inability to make it back in time for a vote on Monday….
    Keep up the good work, Pat.
    See if you can convince more of your lazy, do nothing fellow neo-cons to join you!


  34. ForTruth says:

    “The biggest sexual discrimination case in U.S. history advanced against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. on Tuesday when a top court ruled that more than a million women could join a suit charging bias in pay and promotions.”

    Wow, thats some fast operating karma.


  35. ForTruth says:

    “After 10 years and $1.7 billion, this is what the Marines Corps got for its investment in a new amphibious vehicle: A craft that breaks down about an average of once every 4 1/2 hours, leaks and sometimes veers off course,” the Washington Post reports, “And for that, the contractor, General Dynamics of Falls Church, received $80 million in bonuses.”

    Yup, Microsoft must have been involved somehow.


  36. ForTruth says:

    On grand jury audiotapes played at his trial yesterday, Scooter Libby claimed he learned about Valerie Plame’s CIA identity from Vice President Cheney, “forgot it, then learned it again” from Tim Russert “a month later.”

    It’s a wonder Scooter was able to do his job with a memory like that.


  37. ForTruth says:

    Lawmakers are unhappy about the 110th Congress’s five-day work week. A “visibly annoyed” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) said, “I just told [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] I won’t be back by 4:30″ for the vote Monday, “even though I’m catching a 1:55 flight.” Both Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) have said they will keep the full work week, despite the complaints

    Seems Pat “your rights don’t mean anything if your dead” Roberts is getting his Karma too. Roberts is an a-hole.


  38. Juan C says:

    …is going to BANKRUPT our (the working poor/middle class’) children…
    Comment by big papa

    I remember the 2001 crash down in Argentina, when there were no money in the banks and the middle class went raging to burn the Congress. People were eating dogs, cats and rats to survive. I remember watching trucks full of food from the government and hordes of people jumping over each other to get the food packages just like in Africa. I remember the looting, how kids went into meat stores and police officers beating at them… One journalist said that this was a master plan to starve to death the third part of argentinian population. They almost did it. Now you probably know why I dont believe in governments…


  39. Jeffrey Stewart says:

    Could everyone please read this excellent article?

    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/020707P.shtml


  40. pgw says:

    if there’s one thing that could’ve stopped the planes from flying into the wtc on 9/11, it’s an amphibious vehicle. also, it’s probably really really helpful in a war in the middle of a desert.


  41. And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid says:

    “The biggest sexual discrimination case in U.S. history advanced against Wal-Mart Stores Inc. on Tuesday when a top court ruled that more than a million women could join a suit charging bias in pay and promotions.”

    I would normally not come to the defense of Wal-Mart, but isn’t it true that women in pretty much any industry in the U.S. could have the same claims? It seems there is a lot of data showing women, on the average, make less than men in the same jobs. I’m sure there are reams of studies as to why this is the case, but I’m just throwing this out there. Wal-Mart certainly isn’t the sole offender here.


  42. TheToonGuy says:

    It seems to me that the best way to get legislation passed through congress is to schedule votes on Monday and Friday when most of the Republicans are off on their extended weekends.


  43. Raven says:

    Regarding Rep. Burton and his fears of secret stashes of Russian weapons in California:
    He seems to have gotten faulty intelligence.
    It was stashes of homegrown on the Russian River.


  44. ForTruth says:

    Wal-Mart certainly isn’t the sole offender here.

    Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid

    Correct, but the one who is up front, with the biggest exposure, gets noticed. I call it Karma.


  45. hacker bob says:

    if there’s one thing that could’ve stopped the planes from flying into the wtc on 9/11, it’s an amphibious vehicle. also, it’s probably really really helpful in a war in the middle of a desert.

    Comment by pgw

    Actually, they work pretty well is the desert, as there is no water to flood them out.

    Seriously, they do work well in the desert. The AAAV(Advanced Amphibious Assalt Vehicle) as well as it’s predicessor the AAV were designed to carry troops from ships to land, and once on land they are basically an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC)similar to the Bradley Fighting Vehicle the Army uses.


  46. Juan C says:

    Correct, but the one who is up front, with the biggest exposure, gets noticed. I call it Karma.
    Comment by ForTruth

    Besides being richer than 150 countries should have some moral sense…ha ha ha. What did I just say??? A corporation having moral sense? Sorry…


  47. VerbalKint says:

    From what I have read in the financial news, WalMart has its work cut out for it with this lawsuit. Apparently the numbers with regard to promoting women look very bad for them. By the way, this particular suit doesn’t have anything to do with timecards. That is a different suit against WalMart, in which there is overwhelming proof that WalMart store managers forced workers to clock out during breaks and to continue working after clocking out at the end of the shift.


  48. Zooey says:

    What did I just say??? A corporation having moral sense? Sorry…
    Comment by Juan C

    Oy, Juan. Have another coffee. :)


  49. TripMaster Monkey says:

    hacker bob sez:

    Seriously, they do work well in the desert. The AAAV(Advanced Amphibious Assalt Vehicle) as well as it’s predicessor the AAV were designed to carry troops from ships to land, and once on land they are basically an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC)similar to the Bradley Fighting Vehicle the Army uses.

    Indeed. The whole debacle sounds like Pentagon Wars, part II.

    Comforting to know that we can’t seem to learn from our mistakes…


  50. hacker bob says:

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey

    Thanks for the movie tip. I’ll pick it up.

    Sad thing, I see the waste every day.


  51. ForTruth says:

    Jeffrey Stewart’s Truthout article is pretty good. Makes sense. We all knew it.


  52. Zooey says:

    TP Commenters!

    I exchanged emails with Faiz last night regarding our most persistent troll. Basically, he said that when the nasty stuff comes up, we should let him know right away. He needs to know the moniker the trouble-maker is using. (I just copy & paste the entire comment and then email it to him, identifying which thread it’s on.) He said he’s trying to weed out this garbage.

    We should not feed this troll! It thrives on the attention! Just copy it to Faiz, and move on.

    Faiz also said it’s ok to use some naughty language, but it reflects poorly on our community. Oh heck…


  53. pgw says:

    “Seriously, they do work well in the desert.”

    well then it’s a good thing they have new ones that break down every four hours


  54. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    I do recognize that Congress does not keep regular 9-5 hours, meeting some nights. Therefore, I can see not being in session Monday morning or Friday afternoon as compensation and allowing the representatives to get home for the weekend. But, given that the 109th Congress shut out much debate and left a royal mess to fix and clean up, two or three months of overtime is in order. If some of the old 109th representatives don’t like it, perhaps they only have to worry about putting up with it until November 2008 when they can look for another job. I’m sure they have plenty of lobbyist contacts. In fact, they can resign early if they are really that disturbed (apply which ever meaning to this word you would prefer).


  55. RUCerious says:

    Its a damn shame we went to war with the incompetent bunglers we had, instead of having logisticians who understood what is and isn’t possible.
    Not that going to war was justified or acceptable in the first place. Just sayin.


  56. Manhattanite says:

    “Lawmakers are unhappy about the 110th Congress’s five-day work week.”

    Considering that the 109th Congress only managed to pass two out of eleven of this year’s appropriation bills, it is about time that the 110th gets to work. Why can’t Roberts take an early morning flight on Mondays? He is not going to be there for a 4: 30 vote? Fine! By the time 2008 rolls along, all we’ll have to do is count how many votes he missed…


  57. Jay Randal says:

    United Nations Must Partition Iraq Into Three Viable New Countries!
    Wednesday 7th of February 2007
    by Jay Randal

    The United States misadventure occupation of Iraq has caused that nation to degenerate into an ethnic sectarian civil war and is no longer a viable nation.

    Therefore the United Nations must step forward to partition Iraq into three new countries as follows:

    1) Kurdistan comprising the area of northern Iraq, with Kirkuk as its capital, Mosul and Irbil included, but given only half of the Kirkuk oil fields region.

    2) Sunni-Iraq comprising the area of central Iraq, with Baghdad as its capital, Tikrit and Ramadi included, and given half of Kirkuk oil fields region.

    Shia-Iraq comprising the area of southern Iraq, with Basra as its capital, Karbala and Najaf included, and given complete control of Basra oil fields.

    Kurds must agree to give-up all claims to ancestral lands in Turkey, and Turkomans in Iraq would be relocated back into Turkey. Shia in Baghdad would be relocated to southern Iraq, and Sunni in the south/north relocated to central Iraq. US leaves Sunni-Iraq area.

    ( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)

    PS: US government would be obligated to pay for relocation of Iraqi ethnic groups and to construct the border fencing between 3 nations. This could all be done by Christmas 2007, so troops pulled out then.


  58. karlX says:

    is this “news” making it into MSM? No tv, and don’t read the paper


  59. karlX says:

    53 TP Commenters!

    I exchanged emails with Faiz last night regarding our most persistent troll. Basically, he said that when the nasty stuff comes up, we should let him know right away. He needs to know the moniker the trouble-maker is using. (I just copy & paste the entire comment and then email it to him, identifying which thread it’s on.) He said he’s trying to weed out this garbage.

    We should not feed this troll! It thrives on the attention! Just copy it to Faiz, and move on.

    Faiz also said it’s ok to use some naughty language, but it reflects poorly on our community. Oh heck…

    Comment by zooey

    you should put this comment of yours in every thread for the next few days


  60. big papa says:

    Now you probably know why I dont believe in governments…

    Comment by Juan C 339

    Juan,

    I don’t believe the concept of government is neccessarily bad…

    …it’s the greedy, evil, racist people who run them…

    …that ruin the experiment, and the concept of “society”…


  61. Zooey says:

    you should put this comment of yours in every thread for the next few days
    Comment by karlX

    That is so totally annoying! I have to go to school in a bit. If troll activity heats up, ya’ll have my permission to copy it where needed. :)


  62. VerbalKint says:

    Faiz contacted me, too, so I suspect that he contacted several regulars. Let’s keep on patrol here and let him know right away when a thread starts getting trashed. If the troll’s comments are filtered out or removed immediately it will go away, and probably soon. A concerted effort at immediate removal has been proven to work with graffiti vandalism, and it can work here, too.


  63. VerbalKint says:

    Oh, and one more thing: the numero uno troll behavior to report immediately is any instance of namejacking.


  64. Liberal in New Mexico says:

    Even with the 110th’s 4-day workweek, they are still in session twice as much as the 109th ever was. Hell, there were weeks when the 109th didn’t even meet, and forbade the Democratic members to assemble, either. (Remember that little incident with the Dems in the basement?) Regardless, the Re-pubics are just unhappy little campers who love to whine and cry thier crocodile tears. They love that shallow display of insincerity for all to see.


  65. Bluestocking says:

    On grand jury audiotapes played at his trial yesterday, Scooter Libby claimed he learned about Valerie Plame’s CIA identity from Vice President Cheney, “forgot it, then learned it again” from Tim Russert “a month later.”

    ***********************************

    Scooter seems to have an astoundingly short memory. I don’t know about anyone else — but I don’t usually forget something that someone tells me after only a month, and especially not if it relates to an important project that I’m involved in at work. Let’s remember that according to the Department of Justice, at about the time that Libby learned about Plame’s CIA identity from Cheney, he was gathering information about Joseph Wilson’s trip to Niger in 2002 — the trip which contradicted the claims Bush made in his 2003 State of the Union address that Saddam Hussein had attempted to acquire uranium yellowcake from Africa. Is it really likely that Libby would have forgotten information pertinent to these efforts — and especially if (as is suspected) he was looking for a way in which to discredit Wilson?

    The wheels on the bus go round and round
    Round and round, round and round,
    The wheels on the bus go round and round…
    Right over Libby’s ass!


  66. Juan C says:

    …that ruin the experiment, and the concept of “society”…
    Comment by big papa

    Big papa, one hypothetical question:
    if asked to run the country, would you do it knowing what kind of people and interests are dwelling there?

    Or furthermore, do you think we, you and me, will be different to them?


  67. Evil Spaniard says:

    #33 Hey, Spaniard, whos your team in Spain?

    Comment by Juan C — February 7, 2007 @ 10:04 am

    Well, that’s a somewhat difficult question. When I was a kid, and I didn’t knew better, and thanks to the influence of my bigger brother, who really liked the sports, far more than me. I used to like to watch some matches of the Real Madrid basketball team. That was a great era, because there were great players then, Solozabal, Wayne Brabender,Corbalan, Llorente… I used to watch too matches of the Barcelona basketball team, because two of the players (Chicho Sibilio, Epi) had been students in the same high school than me and my brother, and of around the same age of my bigger brother.

    But that was a short period. As I grew, I become less interested in watching sports as I’ve been always a bit nerdy :D

    Nowadays, I’m not a great fan of football either, because I find it too oriented to win no matter how (specially the F.C. Barcelona), using too much trickery, forcing faults and penalty and corner shots, instead of nice classic games. I miss the “jogo bonito”.

    And the Real Madrid football club, as goes a joke around here “Tiene más figuras que el Belén”. Too much starplayers, and not so much quality at all. BTW, to the fans of the SF Galaxy, Beckham is an ultra expensive caprice. He’s far more interested in doing ads and PR for personnal gain that in playing football. He doesn’t plays bad, for sure, but his stardom had nothing ado with the excellence of his football play here.


  68. Marie says:

    Peter Pace said the law of averages may have caught up with us in Iraq. Now there’s a new euphemism for more soldiers were killed today.


  69. Raymond Funamoto says:

    Poor Scooter–to be turning SENILE at such an early age! Libby should just TURN agin’ Torticola Cheney, Rove and CHIMPya and see to it that those creeps get dragged into the investigation, so TA TA TA TA! IT’S CHIMPeachment TIME! Pat Roberts, my ASS BLEEDS for you, you F**KING PIECE OF REPUGNANT-REPUB S**T! If you don’t like it and can’t stand the heat, GET THE HELL OUT OF THE KITCHEN, i.e., Washington, and GO BACK TO Kansas where you came from, and take Toto(read Barney) and your poisonous spider colleague Sam Brownback the Scarecrow Man of Straw with you! “Have to work 5 days,” INDEED! Roberts, you LAZY SLACK-ASS NO-GOOD VARMINT!!!!


  70. Marie says:

    “if there’s one thing that could’ve stopped the planes from flying into the wtc on 9/11, it’s an amphibious vehicle. also, it’s probably really really helpful in a war in the middle of a desert.”

    Comment by pgw — February 7, 2007 @ 10:13 am

    You’re right, but I bet they’d like to use them in the Persian Gulf when Bush begins the war with Iran.
    The Bushies have been planning a ME takeover of oil fields for many years. Damn the costs — the taxpayers will foot the bill while they and General Dynamics, Hallibuton, CACI and others will become as rich as the Saudi princes.


  71. Seixon says:

    TripMaster,

    Russert is on the stand today, and he’s expected to join everyone else who’ve lined up to call Libby a liar.

    What trial have you been following? Most of the witnesses have been unreliable and hard of remembering things exactly. Hell, Ari Fleischer has been Libby’s biggest thorn in the side so far.

    Don’t lose sight of this one, folks…this is impeachment-grade material.

    Whose impeachment?


  72. RUCerious says:

    #65 LNM –
    Regardless, the Re-pubics are just unhappy little campers who love to whine and cry thier crocodile tears.

    Are those the ones with the curly hair?


  73. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Marie
    Comment by pgw

    You two do realize that the AAAV has been in development since 1997, right? These things are not a Bush creation.


  74. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    What trial have you been following? Most of the witnesses have been unreliable and hard of remembering things exactly. Hell, Ari Fleischer has been Libby’s biggest thorn in the side so far. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

    The only think more funny than you calling others ‘unreliable’, is you ignoring that that ‘unreliable’ testimony keeps coming up with the same outcome against Scooter.

    Thanks for reinforcing that you 20%ers live in your own alternative reality devoid of facts, context, reason, rationality or critical thinking.

    Whose impeachment? Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

    You mean “who’s impeachment”. Who do you think, sport? Oh wait, for a second I thought maybe you could think – my mistake!


  75. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    Lord Seixon

    You are extremely late with your neocon talking points about the “unreliability” of those witnesses. The inter-reliability of those witness trumps Scooter’s “memory problems”. Does the neocon kool-aid cost a lot in Norway, with the shipping costs and all?


  76. Bluedog49 says:

    Seixon: “Whose impeachment?”

    Cheney’s of course. Haven’t you been paying attention. Cheney destroyed an intelligence asset for political purposes. Manipulating intelligence apparatus for political reasons was at the heart of one of the articles of impeachment for Nixon.


  77. DRxJ says:

    Does the neocon kool-aid cost a lot in Norway, with the shipping costs and all?
    Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — February 7, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

    No, but because of the expiration date due to travel time, it can cause one to become paranoid (ie thinking someone is out to get him, posting that someone called his daddy…etc)


  78. Bluedog49 says:

    I would like Bush cultists like Sexion, to imagine for a moment what would have happened if it had been reported that VP Gore had initiated a political attack which destroyed a CIA intelligence asset engaged in tracking the proliferation of illegal weapons of mass destruction. Sexion, can you get your tortured mind around that?


  79. Marie says:

    #74 patronizing hacker bob
    Yes, we do. We are an equal opportunity critic — but we also know that Bush&Co would never be one to recognize a failure and cut his losses.


  80. hacker bob says:

    #74 patronizing hacker bob
    Yes, we do. We are an equal opportunity critic — but we also know that Bush&Co would never be one to recognize a failure and cut his losses.

    Comment by Marie

    I was just pointing out that these things are not really new.


  81. big papa says:

    Or furthermore, do you think we, you and me, will be different to them?

    Comment by Juan C #67

    Juan,

    I believe I understand the premise of your question…

    …and TRULY the answer is not simplistic…

    …when really good hearted, well-intentioned people enter the pit of government…

    …they find that it is a “quid pro quo” , mutual admiration society…

    …one has to make deals in order to get what one wants, all too often selling one’s soul…

    …I would hope that the sum total of my life experiences would place me in a category where I would be honest and wise enough to take my cases to the people…

    …were I President and had a plan that was for the uplifting of all the people, but was being given the runaround by the players in the House and Senate…

    …I would call press conferences EVERYDAY, and have the people speak!

    After all, the office of the presidency is supposed to be for ALL of the people…

    …not the racist, elitist few…

    …and this is where our leaders have gone wrong…

    …they have (for the most part- and ESPECIALLY the Republican scumbag presidents) NOT been for the least of us…

    …as much as for those who fill their pockets…

    …how many houses and cars does one man need anyway Juan?


  82. Juan C says:

    Comment by big papa

    Truly excellent post…as always.


  83. Bluedog49 says:

    Juan, public servants who believe in civil government generally do a better job of governing. Politicians who get elected saying they don’t believe in government see their power as a chance to enhance wealth and almost never do an effective job. They don’t believe in it and they tend to prove to themselves that it doesn’t work.


  84. Seixon says:

    ValiantVenus,

    The only think more funny than you calling others ‘unreliable’, is you ignoring that that ‘unreliable’ testimony keeps coming up with the same outcome against Scooter.

    Sigh. I guess you’ll have to wait until the jury reaches a verdict to see the light.

    You mean “who’s impeachment”.

    No, I mean whose impeachment. Pains me to teach you the English language, but “who’s” is the same as saying “who is” while “whose” is the possessive form of who. Go study some elementary school English, then maybe you’ll understand what’s really going on at the Libby trial. You know, because that requires English skills.

    As far as the impeachment goes, let’s have a word from your brainwashed friends….

    PLC,

    You are extremely late with your neocon talking points about the “unreliability” of those witnesses. The inter-reliability of those witness trumps Scooter’s “memory problems”. Does the neocon kool-aid cost a lot in Norway, with the shipping costs and all?

    Judy Miller doesn’t remember jack. Cooper didn’t remember things correctly. Russert is getting sacked as I write this. Grossman doesn’t know if he remembers correctly. Come on, who are you kidding? Have you actually read the testimony, or just read what your liberal puppermasters told you to think about it?

    Bluedog49,

    Cheney’s of course. Haven’t you been paying attention. Cheney destroyed an intelligence asset for political purposes. Manipulating intelligence apparatus for political reasons was at the heart of one of the articles of impeachment for Nixon.

    Yet there has still not been presented one shred of evidence showing that Cheney instructed anyone to disclose Plame’s name to anyone to “destroy” her. In fact, the INR disclosed it nonchalantly in a memo to the State Department, everyone at the State Department knew about it, and Libby told the FBI straight up that he first heard about Plame from Cheney.

    In other words, you would have me believe that Cheney’s chief of staff needlessly admitted straight up to the FBI that his boss told him about Plame. The guy who outed Plame, Novak, got the info from Richard Armitage. Did Cheney instruct Armitage to out Plame?

    Did you read the memo of talking points about Wilson’s trip handed down by the OVP to Cathie Martin, submitted into evidence at trial? Did you notice that Valerie Plame was no where on that memo?

    Where’s the grounds for impeachment here, other than in your brainwashed fevered little minds?


  85. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Sigh. I guess you’ll have to wait until the jury reaches a verdict to see the light. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

    What’s really sad, is that we all know that even when the jury rules against libby, you still won’t see the light.

    You have convenient brain syndrome that way…


  86. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Go study some elementary school English, then maybe you’ll understand what’s really going on at the Libby trial. You know, because that requires English skills. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

    With hate filled, and derogatory statements like that, you wonder why you get banned? Too funny. It’s all everyone else’s fault – right?

    It’s more fun to see you get all start assed when people correct your grammar and language skills. I rather enjoyed watching you fully turn into the 2 year old brat that informs your ‘reasoning’. VERY FUNNY!!!


  87. Seixon says:

    ValiantVenus,

    I think Libby might get charged on 1-3 of the counts, but not all 5. I don’t put a lot of probability in that, though, as most of them hinge on whether or not Tim Russert has been truthful. I’m not sure how that is supposed to pass the test of “beyond reasonable doubt”. The defense just demonstrated (1) that Tim Russert doesn’t necessarily remember or pretends not to remember important phone calls and (2) that NBC’s statement about Russert’s involvement was false, something Russert denied although he proved himself that it was.

    We’ll see whose brain has a syndrome… Oh, and yes, I meant whose. LOL.


  88. Seixon says:

    With hate filled, and derogatory statements like that, you wonder why you get banned? Too funny. It’s all everyone else’s fault – right?

    What is “hate filled” (for those proficient in English, hate-filled) about pointing out your Bush-like English competency? So your “don’t you mean who’s” was not derogatory? Sorry, chap, but you thought you were being a smart-ass but quickly found yourself looking foolish. Try to spin it as you may.

    Oh, and I’ve never been banned from this site. TP management asked me to leave or start using an alias since some people *cough* here have it out for me no matter what I say or how I say it.

    It’s more fun to see you get all start assed when people correct your grammar and language skills. I rather enjoyed watching you fully turn into the 2 year old brat that informs your ‘reasoning’. VERY FUNNY!!!

    Start assed? Ehm, was this an attempt at being coherent? I’m a 2-year old who knows the English language better than you do? I’m a 2-year old for pointing out simple elementary school grammar to you, after you thought you were correcting me? LOL!

    You’re right, this is damn funny, mostly because you need to go back to the 4th grade and learn English all over again before you start debating with the adults, thinking you know the English language better than them when you don’t.


  89. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    What is “hate filled” (for those proficient in English, hate-filled) about pointing out your Bush-like English competency? Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    I think it was the reference to ‘grade school english’.

    So your “don’t you mean who’s” was not derogatory? Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    Not at all, it was a simple question. You could have responded to it without insisting that my english competency was that of a child. Especially when your response was one of a child.

    Sorry, chap, but you thought you were being a smart-ass but quickly found yourself looking foolish. Try to spin it as you may. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    Yeah, very mature behavior. I rather enjoyed baiting you, and I received just what I expected. A very childish, and insecure response. Are you often criticized for your lack of proficiency in the english language? It must get tiresome! :)


  90. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Oh, and I’ve never been banned from this site. TP management asked me to leave or start using an alias since some people *cough* here have it out for me no matter what I say or how I say it. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    Yeah, it’s everyone else’s fault. So you’re saying that TP was so irresponsible that they wouldn’t ban those other people for their bad behavior, and you were asked to leave because others couldn’t control themselves?

    Like I said, your response is just as I expected.

    Tell me bringer of light, if you hadn’t left freely, do you believe you would have been banned? After all, if you were doing nothing wrong, why were you politely asked to leave?

    It must be fun to have your brain. Everyone else is always responsible for your failures – SWEET!


  91. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Start assed? Ehm, was this an attempt at being coherent? I’m a 2-year old who knows the English language better than you do? I’m a 2-year old for pointing out simple elementary school grammar to you, after you thought you were correcting me? LOL!Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    There are many 2 year olds (even 20 year olds) that have excellent grammar and no social skills. Acting like a child doesn’t refer to the vocabulary, it refers to a lack of proper social skills, restraints and mature behaviors. It’s why people generally don’t like you, you’re childish.

    You’re right, this is damn funny, mostly because you need to go back to the 4th grade and learn English all over again before you start debating with the adults, thinking you know the English language better than them when you don’t. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    There, more childish behaviors, just as I said. I intentionally tweaked you, and just like a popup toy you shot out of your box. Who’s (eg. who is) laughing now grammar boy?


  92. Bluedog49 says:

    According to Sexion, there is “not a shred of evidence….”

    According to the latest from Associated Press: “According to trial transcripts, former White House staffer I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby testified before a grand jury in 2004 that Vice President Dick Cheney instructed him to divulge portions of a then-classified report to New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Libby testified that Cheney said authorization to leak a section of the report had come directly from President George W. Bush, the court transcripts state.”


  93. Seixon says:

    Valiant,

    I think it was the reference to ‘grade school english’.

    Not knowing the difference between “who’s” and “whose” is a matter of grade school English. English, with a capital E.

    Not at all, it was a simple question. You could have responded to it without insisting that my english competency was that of a child. Especially when your response was one of a child.

    What was the purpose of the question, other than to imply I had gotten my grammar wrong? Please do tell. I informed you quite maturely that you have the English proficiency of a child, because you have already demonstrated believing that “who’s” was the possessive form of who. This is the kind of thing one learns in grade school.

    Yeah, very mature behavior. I rather enjoyed baiting you, and I received just what I expected. A very childish, and insecure response. Are you often criticized for your lack of proficiency in the english language? It must get tiresome! :)

    Ah, so you asked me a random question, implying I had gotten my grammar wrong, only to get a reaction? Who do you think you’re fooling? A childish, insecure response?

    So hitting you with the language we call English, demonstrating to you quite bluntly that you’re a moron, was “childish” and “insecure”?

    No, I’m not often criticized for my lack of proficiency in English, mostly because I do not lack proficiency in English.

    This has got to be the lamest attempt at a row-back I’ve seen in weeks.


  94. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Not knowing the difference between “who’s” and “whose” is a matter of grade school English. English, with a capital E. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

    Assuming that someone asking you a question means their ignorance on the matter, is a matter of grade school assumptions. Something you appear to offer the world in abundance.


  95. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Ah, so you asked me a random question, implying I had gotten my grammar wrong, only to get a reaction? Who do you think you’re fooling? A childish, insecure response? Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

    Apparently you, who delivered the ultimate in a childish, insecure response. Thanks for playing!

    So hitting you with the language we call English, demonstrating to you quite bluntly that you’re a moron, was “childish” and “insecure”? Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

    No, assuming that someone asking you a question, then insulting them, and continuing to act like a petulant little boy was childish and insecure. As is always your behavior dear boy.

    No, I’m not often criticized for my lack of proficiency in English, mostly because I do not lack proficiency in English. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

    And yet your response was one that’s expected from someone insecure. Imagine that!

    This has got to be the lamest attempt at a row-back I’ve seen in weeks. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

    Yeah, isn’t it fun? I do adore watching the ‘assumptions’ you trolls make! It’s completely entertaining to see you wax parental, assume everything about everything, and then come out raging like a spoiled child.

    Your tendency to be easily baited, and fight like a screaming little brat is why you were asked to leave – you know that, right?


  96. Seixon says:

    Valiant,

    Yeah, it’s everyone else’s fault. So you’re saying that TP was so irresponsible that they wouldn’t ban those other people for their bad behavior, and you were asked to leave because others couldn’t control themselves?

    I guess I’ll just quote the email from TP, here’s Judd writing to me last summer:

    I would ask that you consider moderating the number of comments you write on a given thread. You tend to dominate the comment sections of many threads. We want to foster a broad discussion not one centered around one person.

    As you can see, the discussion became centered on me as a person, because people were more interested in attacking me and discussing me as a person than the topic.

    Tell me bringer of light, if you hadn’t left freely, do you believe you would have been banned? After all, if you were doing nothing wrong, why were you politely asked to leave?

    I reviewed the emails from TP just now, and I was apparently not even asked to leave, but I was asked to try and limit the number of posts I wrote, as you can see from Judd’s response above. So not only was I not banned, I was not even asked to leave. I wasn’t doing anything wrong, as you can see from Judd’s response.

    There are many 2 year olds (even 20 year olds) that have excellent grammar and no social skills. Acting like a child doesn’t refer to the vocabulary, it refers to a lack of proper social skills, restraints and mature behaviors. It’s why people generally don’t like you, you’re childish.

    I said nothing rude or childish in my first post, I simply asked you two questions. You responded by saying: “Thanks for reinforcing that you 20%ers live in your own alternative reality devoid of facts, context, reason, rationality or critical thinking.” Then you said I was unable to think. Do you really want to go down the road of claiming I’m the childish one, in order to evade the fact that you have poor grammar skills?

    There, more childish behaviors, just as I said. I intentionally tweaked you, and just like a popup toy you shot out of your box. Who’s (eg. who is) laughing now grammar boy?

    Ah yes, the old “I was making a mistake just so you’d point it out” charade. How lame and pathetic. There’s nothing childish about pointing out to someone who apparently thinks they have better grammar skills than you that they are, in fact, completely wrong.

    Bluedog49,

    According to the latest from Associated Press: “According to trial transcripts, former White House staffer I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby testified before a grand jury in 2004 that Vice President Dick Cheney instructed him to divulge portions of a then-classified report to New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Libby testified that Cheney said authorization to leak a section of the report had come directly from President George W. Bush, the court transcripts state.”

    The “report” in this context is the October 2002 NIE. Which didn’t mention Plame at all. But you knew that, I bet.


  97. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    As you can see, the discussion became centered on me as a person, because people were more interested in attacking me and discussing me as a person than the topic. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:37 pm

    Actually the email says you should limit your posts, because you try to dominate the threads. It doesn’t mention anything about other people, as you’ve fabricated artificially here as the reason.

    But did you notice, here you are again, misbehaving and attempting to dominate the threads.

    Very ‘mature’ of you.


  98. Bluedog49 says:

    Seixon, you’re swimming against the tide here. This trial is showing that Cheney destroyed an intelligence asset for political purposes. We now know that this asset was involved with tracking the proliferation of illegal nuclear weapons. My prediction is that Cheney will step down “for health reasons” or “to spend more time with his family” before the year’s out.


  99. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Ah yes, the old “I was making a mistake just so you’d point it out” charade. How lame and pathetic. There’s nothing childish about pointing out to someone who apparently thinks they have better grammar skills than you that they are, in fact, completely wrong.

    I asked a question, I didn’t ‘correct’ your grammar. But as always, your penchant for inaccuracy and spin are intact. No surprise :)


  100. Seixon says:

    Valiant,

    Assuming that someone asking you a question means their ignorance on the matter, is a matter of grade school assumptions. Something you appear to offer the world in abundance.

    There are about zero people that believe your spin about your dumb question. Give it up while you’re, well, you’re not ahead. Never mind.

    Your tendency to be easily baited, and fight like a screaming little brat is why you were asked to leave – you know that, right?

    Again, no one believes this fantasy you are now concocting to avoid the embarrassment of having messed up on simple elementary school grammar. I did not “scream”, I concisely pointed out to you, with a link to a dictionary, that you have the literacy of a 4th grader.


  101. Seixon says:

    Valiant,

    1. How could the threads become centered on me without other people talking about me?

    2. When someone says, “Don’t you mean….?” That implies that they believe you to be wrong, and what they are suggesting is correct. No one believes your concocted tale, so just admit it and move along.

    3. Let’s get back to the topic, shall we?

    Bluedog49,

    Yes, I surely am swimming against the tide here, but that is because, as you just demonstrated, those who hang out here fall for the traps that the media lay out. Reading AP’s account, you thought it was talking about declassifying the information on Plame, and that Cheney instructed Libby to leak information about Plame. However, as every bit of evidence and proof shows, Bush gave Cheney the authority back in March 2003 to declassify certain intelligence information, and Cheney declassified portions of the Octobert 2002 NIE, and instructed Libby to leak this to the press to rebut Wilson’s false allegations. Wilson’s wife was not in that NIE at all, but that’s exactly what you thought AP was talking about since they omitted which report it was.

    Again, I will ask you, what evidence is there that Cheney instructed anyone to leak Plame’s name to the press, or even more to the point, what evidence is there that Cheney knew that Plame’s status at the CIA was classified information?


  102. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    There are about zero people that believe your spin about your dumb question. Give it up while you’re, well, you’re not ahead. Never mind. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    That’s the problem with you Seixon, you always believe what you want, and spin it to suit you, no matter what. What you believe isn’t really relevant. The fact you disregard the fine details (like asking a question isn’t the same thing as making an accusation) is why you’re so incapable of processing the subtleties of the real world. You are unsuited and unskilled at the task you have assigned yourself. It’s also why your blog and your ‘commentaries’ are such a ‘joke’.

    Again, no one believes this fantasy you are now concocting to avoid the embarrassment of having messed up on simple elementary school grammar. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    I receive no embarrassment from messing up, because I’m not an insecure child. You however are so fearful of the chance that you might ‘mess up’, that create rigorous and relatively disturbing efforts to enforce your ‘opinion’ on the world. It’s why Larry Johnson and everyone else you encounter, thinks your an unbalanced freak.

    I did not “scream”, I concisely pointed out to you, with a link to a dictionary, that you have the literacy of a 4th grader.
    Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:42 pm

    You didn’t scream? You assumed that because I asked you a question, and inferred from that question that I was calling you ‘wrong’ and ‘ignorant’, the two things you can’t allow anyone to think of you.

    Your actions aren’t those of a mature, thoughtful, even functional adult. But I’m quite sure that isn’t the first time, nor will it be the last time you hear this.


  103. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    1. How could the threads become centered on me without other people talking about me? Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

    Yet lots of other trolls seem to avoid this. Wow, what could possibly be different about that – other than ‘you’.

    But I know it isn’t YOUR FAULT, it’s everyone else! :)

    2. When someone says, “Don’t you mean….?” That implies that they believe you to be wrong, and what they are suggesting is correct. No one believes your concocted tale, so just admit it and move along. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

    That’s my point. You assume that there’s only one right answer, and that kind of example is a great description. You can assume that it’s the most likely answer. But the problem is that many like yourself assume it’s the only answer, because it’s the one you wish to believe. You are so desperate to be right, even now, you now require that I admit that I am wrong, and you are right, despite the fact you have no evidence of this being the case. You only have your assumptions to go on, but to you that’s proof of 100% your correctness.

    It’s quite amusing how worked up, and freaked out you get!

    3. Let’s get back to the topic, shall we?Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

    Oh, but dear boy, the topic with you is always that you believe your opinion is 100% right, and everyone else is wrong. It’s why I teased you. You’re too immature to act as a pundit – but then again what pundit isn’t?


  104. Bluedog49 says:

    Sexion, do you really believe Cheney didn’t know what Plame was doing? Do you really believe Cheney did NOT seek to punish Wilson by ruining his wife’s career? Fine. I stand by my prediction. Cheney will be gone before the end of the year. He will resign rather than be forced to testify in front of Congress on this and a number of other issues. He will be remembered as one of the most lawless VP’s in the nation’s history. A disgrace.


  105. Bluedog49 says:

    Sexion, you are what I call a Bush cultist. A cultist tends to see everything through the false prism of his perception that his cult leader is infallible. A cultist bends and shapes the world to fit that view. A cultist tends to discount or disregard any information which might lead to questions about his cult leader’s infallibility. You seem unable to even imagine that your cult leaders have done anything wrong. I ask you again – if it had come out that Al Gore had instructed his people to discuss an intelligence asset with selected members of the media and, in the process, ruin her job at the CIA, how would republicans have responded to this?


  106. Seixon says:

    Valiant,

    I receive no embarrassment from messing up, because I’m not an insecure child.

    Yet instead of just admitting your mistake, you concoct a fabulist tale of trying to bait me with a pointless, stupid question. If that’s not insecure, I don’t know what is.

    You however are so fearful of the chance that you might ‘mess up’, that create rigorous and relatively disturbing efforts to enforce your ‘opinion’ on the world. It’s why Larry Johnson and everyone else you encounter, thinks your an unbalanced freak.

    LOL! Unbalanced freak? Have you ever read Larry commenting at his blog? Have you read the comments he send me by e-mail? Larry Johnson is the very definition of unbalanced. He is not in any position to pass judgment on anyone else being unbalanced.

    You didn’t scream? You assumed that because I asked you a question, and inferred from that question that I was calling you ‘wrong’ and ‘ignorant’, the two things you can’t allow anyone to think of you.

    Bla, bla, bla, no one is buying it. Give up.

    Yet lots of other trolls seem to avoid this. Wow, what could possibly be different about that – other than ‘you’.

    1. I’m not as anonymous as the other trolls here.
    2. They tend to leave when harassed, whereas I don’t.
    3. They tend to have poor arguments, because they are just like you guys – partisan spinsters.

    It’s quite amusing how worked up, and freaked out you get!

    I pointed out you asking me whether I meant to use bad grammar instead of the correct grammar I used, and then you concocted a fairytale about purposely asking me that to bait me into showing that you were wrong. Talk about freaking out. Give it a rest. I have already asked you to drop the matter, but you keep on going.

    Bluedog49,

    Sexion, do you really believe Cheney didn’t know what Plame was doing?

    I don’t make a habit of “believing”. I asked you for evidence of your belief, and you have none. I have no idea whether Cheney knew exactly what Plame was doing at the CIA, and neither do you.

    Do you really believe Cheney did NOT seek to punish Wilson by ruining his wife’s career?

    There was absolutely no reason to bring Wilson’s wife into the matter at all. Wilson’s allegations in the press were completely wrong, and all Cheney had to do was rebut them with the facts. The outing of Plame has only made the entire situation worse for Cheney, not the other way around. Wilson would be a nobody if it hadn’t been for all of this. Wilson would never have written a book, Plame would not have gotten a book deal. They wouldn’t have been all over the news. They wouldn’t have been plastered all over Vanity Fair and elsewhere.

    Meanwhile, the Bush administration has had to deal with this investigation for almost 4 years now, when it was Richard Armitage who caused it all to happen. Helllllooo?

    Why would Cheney do something completely unnecessary to put his own team at a disadvantage? It makes absolutely no sense.

    Fine. I stand by my prediction. Cheney will be gone before the end of the year. He will resign rather than be forced to testify in front of Congress on this and a number of other issues. He will be remembered as one of the most lawless VP’s in the nation’s history. A disgrace.

    That’s fine. It certainly is possible, but the Left has been talking about Cheney stepping down, being impeached, dying in office, etc, etc for about 6 years now. This wasn’t based on fact, but partisan fantasy.

    Sexion, you are what I call a Bush cultist. A cultist tends to see everything through the false prism of his perception that his cult leader is infallible.

    Right here you are projecting your own cultist machinations on me, you see everything through the prism of the Bush administration being guilty of everything. I asked you to offer evidence of your claim, you had none. You believe Cheney is guilty of something with no evidence. Talk about cultist.

    A cultist bends and shapes the world to fit that view. A cultist tends to discount or disregard any information which might lead to questions about his cult leader’s infallibility.

    You have not presented any information in need of bending. You have absolutely zero evidence that Cheney directed anyone to out Plame, other than your partisan belief that he did.

    You seem unable to even imagine that your cult leaders have done anything wrong.

    I don’t make a habit of imagining, but you have demonstrated you love doing it. You imagine Cheney being responsible for all sorts of things – with zero proof.

    I ask you again – if it had come out that Al Gore had instructed his people to discuss an intelligence asset with selected members of the media and, in the process, ruin her job at the CIA, how would republicans have responded to this?

    OK, well as I already pointed out to you, it has not “come out” that Cheney instructed anyone to talk to anyone about Plame. Cheney instructed Libby to leak portions of the NIE to the press to rebut Wilson’s false allegations. Your question is therefore irrelevant.


  107. Bluedog49 says:

    You keep ignoring the testimony that is happening daily and saying there is no proof. I’m not the one who refuses to look at the testimony and I’m not going to go to the trouble of cutting and pasting it for you. It’s in today’s Washington Post, yesterdays NYT, monday’s LA Times and a variety of other newspapers. Your game is to say that there is no proof and then obfuscate the issue with a bunch of meaningless details about the NIE. It’s useless to argue with you about this because you have this strange need to find anyway to absolve Cheney and Bush of any blame in any matter. You know damn good and well that if this were the 90’s and it were Gore, republicans would be calling for his head. You know this. It’s just the height of intellectual dishonesty for you to sit there and obfuscate. Disgusting. But, that is what I have come to expect from Bush cultists.


  108. Seixon says:

    Bluedog49,

    I have been following the trial and have been reading the testimony. There has not been revealed any evidence suggesting that Cheney instructed anyone to out Plame. None. In fact, many of the pieces of evidence show that Plame was not part of the talking points that the OVP was operating with while responding to the press.

    Read the talking points Cathie Martin received. Plame isn’t on there.

    You say “it” is in the WaPo, NYT, LATimes, yet you cannot cite anything to support your claim.

    It’s useless to argue with you about this because you have this strange need to find anyway to absolve Cheney and Bush of any blame in any matter.

    Again, you’re simply projecting your partisan behavior onto me. You seek to blame Cheney and Bush for everything, without proof. I am simply holding you accountable and asking you to prove your allegations, due to the fact that I have researched the matter and have not found anything to support your allegations.

    I’m not the one who refuses to look at the testimony and I’m not going to go to the trouble of cutting and pasting it for you.

    OK, look. If it really was true what you say, wouldn’t a liberal blog have written a post attempting to prove it? Start there and see if you can actually find evidence for your belief. OK? I gotta go to bed now, but drop me an email at blog@seixon.com whenever you find something to support your claim.

    And yes, had it been Clinton or Gore, the Republicans probably would be doing the same thing. But I’m not a Republican. I voted for Gore in 2000. I thought the Lewinsky matter was ridiculous. I could go on and on.

    Do not project your own faults onto me, for I am not what you think I am.


  109. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Yet instead of just admitting your mistake, you concoct a fabulist tale of trying to bait me with a pointless, stupid question. If that’s not insecure, I don’t know what is. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Like I said, you can’t admit that you falsely assume a ‘fact’, based on an ‘assumption’. You poor little child.

    The point was that I baited you with a pointless, stupid question, that I knew you wouldn’t be able to resist, or let go. Because it’s the foundation of who you are. The principle that there’s only one right answer, that everyone else is wrong. Even now, you cannot conceive of the possibility that you were wrong.

    It’s really amusing to watch how screwed up, petulant and childish you are.


  110. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    LOL! Unbalanced freak? Have you ever read Larry commenting at his blog? Have you read the comments he send me by e-mail? Larry Johnson is the very definition of unbalanced. He is not in any position to pass judgment on anyone else being unbalanced. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    You’re the one that thinks being called gay is a ’slur’. Yes your judgment is unbalanced, as are you.

    Bla, bla, bla, no one is buying it. Give up. Comment by Seixon — February 7, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

    Jumping to multiple conclusions, with only your prejudices to go on. And this is why you’re such a failure at debate and dialog. The desperation to be right, even when presented with the reality that you aren’t. You’re too funny little man.

    Yet lots of other trolls seem to avoid this. Wow, what could possibly be different about that – other than ‘you’.
    1. I’m not as anonymous as the other trolls here.
    2. They tend to leave when harassed, whereas I don’t.
    3. They tend to have poor arguments, because they are just like you guys – partisan spinsters.

    So the other trolls use different behaviors than you do, aren’t nearly as ‘good’ as you are, and therefore because you’re ‘better’, you are forced to attempt to dominate every thread with your babble.

    Typical conservative, it’s everyone else’s fault for why you fail. Are you sure you didn’t help write the Iraq strategy?


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    Your attention to this matter is greatly appreciated.

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