Norquist: Bush’s Advisers Telling Him ‘Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How Smart We Are’
Norquist: Bush’s Advisers Telling Him ‘Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How Smart We Are’
In this month’s issue of Vanity Fair, Craig Unger writes that the same neoconservative advisers who advocated for the Iraq war are now recycling the same tactics to push for the bombing of Iran. Unger reports that not all of Bush’s key conservative allies are pleased with the administration’s course on Iran:
“Everything the advocates of war said would happen hasn’t happened,” says the president of Americans for Tax Reform, Grover Norquist, an influential conservative who backed the Iraq invasion. “And all the things the critics said would happen have happened. [The president's neoconservative advisers] are effectively saying, ‘Invade Iran. Then everyone will see how smart we are.’ But after you’ve lost x number of times at the roulette wheel, do you double-down?”
For example, Richard Perle, a former Bush administration official, has said, “I have very little doubt” that Bush would order “necessary military action” against Iran. “Make no mistake, President Bush will need to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities before leaving office,” wrote American Enterprise Institute analyst Joshua Muravchik.
Two other important points from the Unger article:
1) Retired Defense Intelligence official Patrick Lang told Unger that Bush has ordered StratCom — the military command responsible for “nuclear weapons, missile defense and protection against weapons of mass destruction” — to draw up plans for a “massive strike against Iran.” Lang noted that the shift away from Central Command “to StratCom indicates they are talking about a really punishing air-force and naval air attack [on Iran].”
2) Former CIA officer Philip Giraldi said, “I’ve heard from sources at the Pentagon that their impression is that the White House has made a decision that war is going to happen.”
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Everyone knows how stupid they are with the Iraq invasion - this would make us doubly stupid & ignorant!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:04 pmwe already know how smart Bush is...
February 7th, 2007 at 5:12 pm....which is why we are so distraught......
" the White House has made a decision that war is going to happen.†This is a surprise? Are shocked that lil' Georgie would make a brash and arrogant decision that is contrary to ALL the advice, right or left, that he has received? After all, he's a rough, tough real man who takes risks 'cause that's what they do in the movies. Yup.
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February 7th, 2007 at 5:13 pmmore punishing that
February 7th, 2007 at 5:13 pmSHOCK AND AWE?!?!?!?!
‘Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How Smart We Are’
The man couldn't find oil in Texas...
He's done nothing successful in his entire presidency of 6 years...
Iraq is a worse mess than it ever was under Saddam...
The National Deficit is in the trillions...
No healthcare, no social security solution, no educational achievements, no solution for Global Warming, and on and on and on...
It's beyond the point of redemption.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:14 pmBush and his ilk are determined to make the world hate us beyond repair and make as much money for Halliburton before the investigations of the post Bush years. Congress and the Senate have to get going and rein these people in. Then the PEOPLE have to have massive and frequent demonstrations against this administration and its crimes against humanity.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:15 pmHideous.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:17 pmI have always thought that war with Iran was largely hyperbole. Now, not so much.
I have always thought the blowback alone (ie Pakistani, Saudi revolution) was enough of a deterrent for this course of action. Now, not so much.
But WTF, we will all probably be dead from global warming in thirty years anyway.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:17 pmGrover is criticizing Bush? Wow.
You know what? All this is obvious.
The neocons are going to see how right the rest of us are when the US attacks Iran and we end up chimpeaching.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:18 pmAre we going to sit and wait for stupid to make his move? We need to pressure Congress to get on the stick and sabotage this adminstration's plans. I am often writting to my Congressmen/women and I hope everyone else is, too. The reality is becoming increasingly dangerous and stark. It's becoming a frigging free for all and has just got to come to a stop.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:19 pmHow...
S tupid
M en
A gainst
R eason &
T riggerhappy
... we are.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:20 pmDon't go away mad Nortwit - just go away disillusioned.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:20 pmBrzezinski on the possibility of a false flag attack to get the Iran attack going:
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/060207falseflag.htm
The neocons aren't Nazis btw, they're basically Trotskyites.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:21 pm"But WTF, we will all probably be dead from global warming in thirty years anyway."
Panic much? The consensus average estimate is less than 2 degrees centigrade over a century IIRC. Hardly apocalyptical.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:23 pmThis only confirms what Sy Hersch has been writing about in The New Yorker. This White House and their republican stooges on the Hill would love to to see this happen.
Call or write your elected official in your state and tell them that if they give consent or support to the assclown in the White House that they will be out on their ass in the next election.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI wonder why Pres. Bush is working to keep the hard-liners in Iran in power?
Iran has publicly said that they benefit if the US attacks Iran, because then the citizens that are losing faith in the current hard-liners would be supported because "everyone supports the leaders in a crisis".
I guess Pres. Bush just doesn't care if he keeps fundamentalist anti-American leaders in power. Pres. Bush just wants more war, based on his misguided actions.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:25 pmPENAC and the rest of these Neocon fools just cannot, even for a moment, look at what they've done and see mistakes.
"But after you’ve lost x number of times at the roulette wheel, do you double-down?†I don't like the roulette analogy because, at a game of roulette, you have a chance to be right on each spin. The Neocons' game plan is more akin to sticking your head into a deep fat fryer. After you've done it a dozen times and have come out screaming, do you really think you should stick your now-scabby head in once more to bob for that elusive french fry?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:25 pmI don't read the quacky Prison Planet, but that seems like a good article. I read it. Yup, here we go. It's for our own good and we just don't know it. We need to have control of the world's energy supplies so we can keep drivin' big rigs, and buy lots more stuff.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:25 pmNeocons are grasping at the last straws here folks, its all they have left.
Comment by ForTruth — February 7, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
I read somewhere that when a group or ideology finds itself on the verge of oblivion or extinction, that it will resort to desperate measures. And that in the 1970's, when the majority of people were rejecting traditional forms of organized religion, the Fundamentalists emerged in an attempt to 'save' themselves from deletion...
Seems the neocons are definitely on the same sort of warpath... We're in trouble. They'd sooner die than admit defeat or accept their own fallability...
February 7th, 2007 at 5:28 pmNow Bush will blame anyone for invading Iraq. This only shows just how incompetent he really is. Now are Americans to believe that Bush had nothing to do with all these lies and mistakes. Just as weak as he was when he was scared to serve in the military. Bush is waiting for Daddy to get him out of this like Daddy has done all his life.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:29 pmAlright, my post disappeared.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:29 pmSeems the neocons are definitely on the same sort of warpath… We’re in trouble. They’d sooner die than admit defeat or accept their own fallability…
Comment by unbelievable
Seems you were able to save a piece of my deleted post.
I agree, these morons would rather die than admit defeat.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:31 pmGee, what a surprise. Could PNAC and Billy Kristol have been far behind?
Btw, has anyone been paying attention to the Federal Air Marshal Service, particularly the one in Las Vegas? They’re putting innocent people on international terrorist databases just to make quota each month if they even so much as take a picture on a plane. However, if you’re a Middle Easterner trying to blend in with Mexican immigrants, they’re told to ignore you. Who Cares if Passenger 57 is Speaking Spanish With a Middle Eastern Accent?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:33 pmMine, too. I was simply saying that George, Sr. should hire a spooky-hit to take out a monkey. That's all.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:33 pm#5. Your point is taken. But, the national debt is approximately $8.669T. The 2006 "on budget" deficit is $434B. The total budget deficit reported by the media for 2006 is $248B.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:34 pmAlright, my post disappeared.
Comment by ForTruth — February 7, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
I saw that... Part of it is in my post. Well, unless that one disappears too.
I just had one disappear a few minutes ago from another thread. Must be another one of those technology black hole days...
February 7th, 2007 at 5:35 pm"Then everyone will see how smart we are."
February 7th, 2007 at 5:35 pm(sigh)
It's just too easy...
Dumb asses bushco. They really do think that their shit smells like roses.
They won't be happy till armageddon does arrive.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:37 pmhey, my posts are either disappearing or getting cut off. WTF?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
I don't know how Bush thinks attacking Iran is a good idea ... the way things are, they would kick our ass ... I don't even think we have the military capability to put down a rebellion at home since we've drained all our military resources in Iraq.
And on top of that, are not China and Russia buddy buddy with Iran? Do we really want to have a confrontation with those sleeping giants?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:41 pm#30 Uncle_Ho
looks like the proletariat needs to dust off their pitchforks and torches.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:42 pmThe total budget deficit reported by the media for 2006 is $248B.
Comment by Jeffrey Stewart — February 7, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Being a visual imager, I sometimes interchange words that are similar. It's a side effect that comes from translating pictures into language, because letters and numbers are devoid of meaning for me. I often say hundreds when I mean thousands, and things like that...
February 7th, 2007 at 5:42 pmHell yeah! Bring 'em on! Only two short years left to screw the working class and enrich Lockheed, KBR, and Exxon. Our so-called 'allies' (not to mention 65% of our citizens) just can't appreciate how visionary the Bush Doctrine is in the post 9/11 world.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI see two scenarios -indepdndently or coordinated:
February 7th, 2007 at 5:43 pmBush will provoke an attack from the Persian Gulf.
Israel will provoke an attack if they don't attack first directly.
In either case, Bush will be there. He thinks he has all the powers of a king - The Senate still acts as if he were king, despite his failing popularity. The Dems wil have to wrest control over the stubborn Republicans and act like the adults in this playground.
This is no game - but Bush seems to treat it like one.
Time for a different kind of preemptive strike! Congress MUST authorize NO MONEY and NO ENDORSEMENT for an attack on IRAN. Do it now, before Bush starts World War III.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBush and his admin and advisors are like a bad comedy movie. They are the frat boys who think the only way to redeem themselves after their crazy scheme fails is to come up with an even crazier scheme!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:45 pmNow I understand the reasoning behind the "surge". Those extra troops will come in handy after Bush conducts Texas style diplomacy with Iran from 30,000 feet. I can't believe Gates would sign off on something like yhis. Who the hell is the voice of reason among theses people?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:45 pmlooks like the proletariat needs to dust off their pitchforks and torches.
Comment by AshenShard — February 7, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Karl Marx would be proud! :)
February 7th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWow, the insanity of it. I wonder, how could an administration that consistently treats the constitution as a set of guidelines rather than all but immutable law, ignores what the people want, have two wars we can't afford, how could they make such a stupid move?
This is madness, I used to feel safe in this country, but if we do this I'm fairly sure the terrorists WILL attack. If this crap had happened thirty or forty years ago, they'd be gone! GWB, Cheney, Rove, all of them. They wouldn't have taken the White House a second time. Why, for the love of God do they keep doing it? You can say "They just want to make money", but seriously, they'd make more money if they just cut their loses and left Iraq, and they could have made more money from the start if they invaded Iraq properly and stole their oil like honest republicans.
My question is; what the hell is the 2008 election going to look like? My God, will there even be an election? I'm starting to wonder, and the fact that I need to is un-American. GWB has done all the other illegal sh*t before, he's even stolen an election (maybe two). No one said it's above him to call off the elections indefinitely because of some fictitious terrorist plot.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:46 pmI think all the comments advocating anarchy, beheading, murder, death, extinction and revolt are being deleted. How come? It's not like we're bad people... just a little upset. That's all. STORM THE CASTLE! KILL THE MONSTER! FIRE... GOOODDD!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:49 pmImpeach now.
Who is that idiot talking about global warming on this thread? Oh, never mind, a brainless koolaid drunk troll.
I had two posts on another thread today that took a pathologically long time to appear, after which they both disappeared, then reappeared, then disappeared. Who knows?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:52 pmAnyone know where I can get one of those really cool Guy Fawkes masks?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:53 pm(Like in the movie V for Vendetta)
Hey, where is Seixxon? He should be here telling us the Grover Norquist is brainwashing us to hate Bush.
Oh, Seixxon? Ohhh Seixxonnnn? Where are you?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThere was an article in CNN today about a massive hacker attack on the internets. Maybe this is the reason for disappearing posts. Whether the rigth wing blogs are affected as well remains to be seen. I don't go there.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:56 pmCan the Congress send notice to the Naval and Air commanders to ignore orders to attack?
February 7th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThey are the constitutional entity that has the power to declare war.
Only the congress.
If they publicly notified the theater commanders that the president will be impeached if he gives the order, and anyone who obeys it will never be promoted again in their military careers, would that prevent a unilateral attack????
If not, then what would? anybody?
#36 Badger
I am with you Bud! My preemptive strike would be impeachment and get rid of ALL the trash. The fines alone from all the crooks in bushco could balance the Democrats budget for the next 18 years (Pelosi 2007-2008, Clinton 2008-2016, Obama 2016-2024 +/- a year or so as I am too lazy to be exact)). The assets confiscated under the RICO act including OPEGC (Big Oil, Pharms, Energy, Government Contractors) would retire the National Debt. We could save a lot more money by sending the bushco to GITMO instead of Leavenworth and then giving GITMO back to Fidel to run.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI think all the comments advocating anarchy, beheading, murder, death, extinction and revolt are being deleted. How come?
Comment by Liberal in New Mexico — February 7, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
They (suggestions of violence) are seen as an even bigger no-no than namejacking, flaming, and posting text in the form of a mouse with an e r e c t i o n...
You aren't a regular until you've had comments deleted for mild forms of this :D
February 7th, 2007 at 5:57 pm#41 LNM - You bring pitchfork, me bring torch!
February 7th, 2007 at 5:57 pmIf people think Iraq is a mess, we haven't seen anything compared to the kind of mess this would cause. Iran has the potential to fight back hard, and it won't just be limited to the other side of the globe where none of us has to see it firsthand either. It will be REALLY REALLY nasty.
February 7th, 2007 at 5:58 pmOh, Seixxon? Ohhh Seixxonnnn? Where are you?
Comment by VerbalKint — February 7, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
You can probably find him on his own blog bitching about being banned from DailyKos and TP for spamming (though he says it is for his opposing point of view)...
February 7th, 2007 at 5:59 pmThere was an article in CNN today about a massive hacker attack on the internets. Maybe this is the reason for disappearing posts.
Nope, it looks like a local problem.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:01 pmOh, and Seixxon, Tim Russert just contradicted Libby's story in his testimony today.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:01 pmIt is quite obvious that somewhere in the Heart of Texas there is a bunker big enough to hold all of bushco and deep enough to weather a bunch of big boomers. Perhaps Daddy Bush's holdover from the '50's?
In the movie Field of Dreams it was said "Build it and they will come."
February 7th, 2007 at 6:03 pmIn the nightmare Blunder of Bush it will be said "They weren't supposed to come here."
Apprears KBR's concentration camps will not sit idle after all. Isn't Fascism grand?
February 7th, 2007 at 6:04 pmSomebody wrote this - maybe here - anyway it's what came to mind reading this:
Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, neo-cons are from Uranus.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:05 pmWhat? MY anus? No, no no... Must be George's anus.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:10 pm#48 Unbelievable
That "God-damned piece of paper" that DUHbya fouls every chance he gets says you and I cannot advocate great bodily harm to the useless SOB. We can kick him out, slap his face, slander his name all over the place, but Uh Huh Honey, stay off his blue, suede (I apologize Elvis and Carl) life. Put him away but do not advocate a violent overthrow and abdication of King George the Dumb.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:12 pmSend his advisors first.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:14 pm#48- Maybe we can send him a case of scotch, an ounce of crack and a five pound bag of pretzels and let him kill himself.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:19 pmfrom L. ad- "to" + visum, neut. pp. of videre "to see" (see vision).
February 7th, 2007 at 6:24 pmWhy does the chymp take advice from the same jackanapes that brought us the stunning success that is Iraq?
Is he not capable of "seeing"?
#61, I'll pitch in if it's a truckload of scotch, a kilo of crack and a Mongo candygram...
February 7th, 2007 at 6:26 pmour goal, as it were, is to reduce Norquist to the size where he can be drowned in a bathtub
February 7th, 2007 at 6:28 pm#62- Well... alrighty, then! (But, we REALLY need the pretzels!)
February 7th, 2007 at 6:33 pm#64, LNM - got a Costco near? I think they carry 25 # drums of pretzels with lots of salt...
February 7th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThe consensus average estimate is less than 2 degrees centigrade over a century IIRC. Hardly apocalyptical.
Comment by Random Rightie — February 7, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
It doesn't sound like much, but in fact it is pretty apocalyptical. And the latest consensus average estimate is considerably higher than that.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:41 pmHey Raven, I know your probably kidding but if you really want a Guy Fawkes mask, here you go:
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RU4418
But seriously, the neocons need to be stopped. Congress needs to start the impeachment of Bush before he carries out their insane agenda.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:43 pmHow about a pound of Humbolt weed, and all the White Castles he can eat?
February 7th, 2007 at 6:43 pmLaura needs to save our great nation and take out stupid POTUS and VPOTUS at the next luncheon. Use the salad fork, Laura!!
February 7th, 2007 at 6:47 pm68 - no f'ing way - he can have all the cheap liquor, crack, crank, and pretzels (and hiv+ manwhores), but i can't condone wasting valuable resources, no matter how important the mission.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:48 pmRU; I prefer claymores and frags. Call in an airstrike on the WH- drop snake & nape.
February 7th, 2007 at 6:53 pm"I love the smell of napalm in the morning".
February 7th, 2007 at 6:57 pmGood Morning PERSIA . . .
Boys and girls remember . . . when you hear the air raid siren that means . . .
DUCK AND COVER!!!
And if you have a radiation suit in your backpack, swell! Put it on!
February 7th, 2007 at 6:58 pmOh yeah, f-cking brilliant.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:00 pmWith Bush being the Decider and all, I wonder if the human race will survive. What a fool.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:05 pmwatch this video of Iran: http://lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Send it to your friends.
Iran is NOT what the hate mongers want you to believe.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:12 pm#44: Patrick Lang, Sam Gardiner, and Philip Giraldi have all been the major sources behind every single story about plans about bombing Iran. Oh, just might want to mention that all of them are connected to Larry Johnson's Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. What a coincidence.
#51: I have never been banned by TP nor DailyKos. DailyKos commenters down-rated every single comment I made and if this is done enough, your posting privileges are revoked. Thus, I still have an account, but I cannot post anything. This was also attempted at TPMCafe, but a brave moderator saw what was going on and put my comments back.
#53: Of course he did, that's the entire basis of Fitzgerald's indictment. But did Russert tell the truth? David Gregory and Andrea Mitchell know.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:13 pmDon't make Bush go to extremes before we take action and let him know that the budget he is using on war is our money, and needs to go toward the things we support- like the Millennium Development Goals for example! We have to hold him accountable to our goals!
February 7th, 2007 at 7:13 pmAddendum: So now you guys believe every word Grover Norquist says? How precious is that? LOL!
February 7th, 2007 at 7:14 pmBush has taken over the United States!
February 7th, 2007 at 7:18 pmHe as destroyed the U.S. Constitution!
Bush will take over the World!
He has looted the U.S. Treasury!
He will have enough for a private army, and forced military labor camps!
Bush also has the Nukes, and WILL use them.
Bush is not living in a Bubble....We are!
We live in a bubble thinking our Governmental leaders will save us from Bush, and make everything all right.
Your watching a puppet show in the Congress and the Senate.
They sold us out.
Get out of your "God Bless America" Bubble....The Republic has been taken over, and is gone!
Impeach as soon as order is given. We should begin with gonzales and work up. send rummy to the Hague for trial.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:19 pmWill we awaken too late?
February 7th, 2007 at 7:19 pmWho's running this show?
You happy?
Time to think about your alternatives?
Look up, or straight down?
If they bomb Iran, rumors are gas will be $10 per gallon. That will reallly screw the economy. How do you prepare for that? Everything will stop.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:22 pmwhere are the democrats?
February 7th, 2007 at 7:29 pmThere was an article in CNN today about a massive hacker attack on the internets. Maybe this is the reason for disappearing posts. Whether the rigth wing blogs are affected as well remains to be seen. I don’t go there.
Comment by doro — February 7, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
This may be true. I heard that the attack was on servers that handle .org websites. Something like 6 of 13 huge computers were attacked. Although TP has had problems with posts disappearing for a while so I doubt that the attacks are a cause here at TP.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:33 pm“Everything the advocates of war said would happen hasn’t happened,†“And all the things the critics said would happen have happened."
February 7th, 2007 at 7:39 pmYes sir, Mr. Norquist that, for once, from your mouth, is the truth. But it is way too little too late.
#44: Patrick Lang, Sam Gardiner, and Philip Giraldi have all been the major sources behind every single story about plans about bombing Iran. Oh, just might want to mention that all of them are connected to Larry Johnson’s Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. What a coincidence.
“Make no mistake, President Bush will need to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities before leaving office,†wrote American Enterprise Institute analyst Joshua Muravchik.
You forgot this AEI analcyst Seixon.
Back to your same misleading ways I see.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:46 pmI think that what Grover meant to say was Bush's Advisers Tell Bush To Invade Iran, Then Everyone Will See How STUPID We Are! I don't think that I could be in the same room with Norquist without being extremely tempted to bitchslap that warmongering chickenhawk! He and Cheney, both afraid of their own shadows, are probably joined at the hip.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:48 pmI'm contacting my representatives and asking them what I should do to protect myself from the economic disaster when Bush invades Iraq. I live in Texas and all my representatives have their noses deeply inserted in the President's posterior.
I will be curious to hear what advice they have to give.
Buy duct tape?
February 7th, 2007 at 7:48 pmHoard gasoline?
Grow your own vegetables
Sell apples on the corner
seixon, you cutie - i've never believed anything norquist has said, but i do believe pres. dipstick and his puppetmasters are going to try something incredible stupid and completely, strategically wrongheaded in Iran. if bathtub drownings are what is required to avert disaster, then so be it.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:51 pmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/14/AR2006041401907_pf.html
February 7th, 2007 at 7:52 pmIt's important to talk about war planning that's real. And it is for Iran. In early 2003, even as U.S. forces were on the brink of war with Iraq, the Army had already begun conducting an analysis for a full-scale war with Iran. The analysis, called TIRANNT, for "theater Iran near term," was coupled with a mock scenario for a Marine Corps invasion and a simulation of the Iranian missile force. U.S. and British planners conducted a Caspian Sea war game around the same time. And Bush directed the U.S. Strategic Command to draw up a global strike war plan for an attack against Iranian weapons of mass destruction.
So now you guys believe every word Grover Norquist says? How precious is that? LOL!
Comment by Seixon
Actually Grover doesn't even believe every word he says therefore it would be impossible to believe what Nortwit says.
How gullible were you to believe him eh?
February 7th, 2007 at 7:55 pmCan you envision a scenario where gasoline goes to $10 per gallon, as rumored, if Bush nukes IRan and Iran retaliates.
Most highway traffic would cease, obviously. Airplane flight would be out of the question. Businesses would turn to working over the internet, but electricity prices would skyrocket too since gasoline is used to power many generators.
Supermarket deliveries would grind to a halt. Import/export of goods would stop.
February 7th, 2007 at 7:59 pmThe number of Norwegians studying in the US has been reduced by 50 per cent over the last 10 years.
Thank God
http://www.norwaypost.no/
Soldiers from the Norwegian Home Guard may in future be participating in international missions.
Hey Seixon go serve ya lazy hack.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:00 pmtom baker,
I'm sorry I'm not convinced by this VIPS propaganda operation, but these same people have been suggesting an attack on Iran was imminent for 2 years now. At what point do you guys get a clue and realize that you're being had?
February 7th, 2007 at 8:01 pmA shortage of health workers has led temporary staff agency Adecco to consider importing labour from countries like South Korea and the Philippines. The Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation (Norad) is critical.
Heh. Seixon maybe you can find you a Korean wife.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:02 pmFormer Vice President Al Gore was nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his wide-reaching efforts to draw the world's attention to the dangers of global warming, a Norwegian lawmaker said Thursday
How Precious!!
February 7th, 2007 at 8:05 pmIn early 2003, even as U.S. forces were on the brink of war with Iraq, the Army had already begun conducting an analysis for a full-scale war with Iran. The analysis, called TIRANNT, for "theater Iran near term,"
Seixon you aint telling us anything new.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:07 pmI’m sorry I’m not convinced by this VIPS propaganda operation,
Wha?? Your wanting to grow up and be a pundit right?
February 7th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI really appreciated all the facts given in this article - It seems as though we have already proven to the world how powerful we can be... wouldn't it be the "smartest" to use our power for constructive change, rather than more powerful violence? Hopefully articles like Unger's in popular publications like Vanity Fair will help circulate the truth. Thank you Think Progress for your balanced and interesting analysis of this subject - I really enjoy your writing.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:11 pmIvade with what?
February 7th, 2007 at 8:20 pmHopefully the people will get the opportunity to try and properly dispense justice to...
...all of the degenerate gamblers in the White House, Congress, and Repulsivescum echo chambers...
February 7th, 2007 at 8:37 pmPeople,
It's WAY past time for talk about the Democrat Congress having any moderating effect. Bush will do what he will do and that's that. Once a false flag operation or otherwise is conducted, the resulting pressure on the Democrats will be so intense that they will side with the war hawks, just as they did post 9/11.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:39 pmI'm telling you NOW, it's time for a GENERAL STRIKE nationwide. This is not a labor strike and does not have to be sanctioned by the corporate world. This is THE grassroots action that CAN and WILL work to STOP the MADNESS NOW. In France, the truck drivers stop ALL COMMERCE nationwide by creating NATIONWIDE ROADBLOCKS. It's effective. They get what they demand.
Bush's key advice to America after 9/11 was 'Go Shopping'. If we want to fight the Bush Policies, we must STOP THE WHEELS OF COMMERCE. This corrupt American domestic and foreign policy is being driven by CORPORATE INFLUENCE. If you want to influence it you must INFLUENCE THE CORPORATIONS.
It's WAY PAST TIME for diplomatic and legislative solutions. Our democracy is broken. If it were not broken, we would not be in Iraq right now. It's TIME FOR RASH EFFECTIVE PERSUASIVE ACTION, in the form of PUNISHING GENERAL STRIKES until THE PEOPLE attain for ourselves what is in our best interest.
This is the last and only chance for rapid change of course. If Bush goes Nuclear with an unprecedented aggressive attack on Iran, the type of chaos that we see on television from the streets of Iraq, will soon visit us right here at home. The breathtaking idiots spun Iraq into a cesspool of violence and unpredictibility. An attack on Iran, especially an nuclear one, will truely open the gates of hell and none of us can know the depths of agony we and millions of others will experience.
Sorry if this is off-topic, but why is Buzzflash linking to this thread using the following headline:
Bush's Presses for Armageddon Nuking of Iran. Some in Pentagon Say Decision is Already Set in Stone.
A little over the top, don't you think?
February 7th, 2007 at 8:40 pmWow. The war crimes trial in the Hague for these people will have more defendants than Nuremberg. BTW The neocons may be Trotskyites, but the Bush Crime Family are definitely Nazis, pure and true.
February 7th, 2007 at 8:43 pmbeing had? by whom? General Dynamics??
what a hoot!!
February 7th, 2007 at 8:52 pmLook, whaddarya whinin' about? If the Good Lord Jesus, praise be unto his Mighty SUV of Vengeance, is not considerate enough to get the apocalypse rolling on St. George's watch, then gosh-dern-gol-dangit the boy's a'gonna have to take matters into his own hands. Yankees calls it "swaggerin'," but he calls it "walkin'!"
St. George, all hail his Mighty Codpiece of Victory, knows he 'n' his'n is a'goin' thru them Pearly Gates to sit at the Right Hand of Our Lord 'n' Savior, praise Him and His Minuteman III of Justice.
By Golly if'n he don't already got the bumper sticker on Air Force I, God bless its Mighty Pratt & Whitneys of Thunder: "Warning: In Case of Passion This Airborne Command Post Will be Unmanned."
So come to the Lord now, ye Heathen, God Smite the Secular Progressives a Mighty Blow, because "before it's too late" means "in the next 12 months" -- Praise the Lord (and pass the highly enriched uranium).
February 7th, 2007 at 9:17 pmTP? Could you do something with this posters name?
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
It is mischaracterizing someone elses name in a bad light.
Your attention to this matter is greatly appreciated.
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus needs to be BANNED!
February 7th, 2007 at 9:31 pmAll of which indicates that Impeachment nust be on the table and threatened at every juncture of decision making in this Administration. If you do this: impeachment. If you do that: impeachment. The sword of Damocles must be held over their heads and decapitation must be the threat. Democrats had better grow some balls or this administration will continue to violate every law as they march in Fascist goose-step towards Martial Law and a Dictatorship - was it not GWBush who said "it would be much easier if it were a Dictatorship, especially if I were the Dictator"?
February 7th, 2007 at 9:41 pmWe are at the threshold beyond which there is no return. Progessives and stalwarts of the Left had better get over the fact that at some point - and perhaps sooner than we think - revolution at the point of a gun is going to be necessary. Gun laws are now in our favor and we need to educate the right that this administration is as much a threat to them, as it is to us. Arm and defend the Constitution. Prepare for war!
Have no fear, my children. God is on the neoconservatives side.
He willed the Colts to win the Super Bowl!
February 7th, 2007 at 9:50 pmThe Double Trifecta
Prior to our engaging Iraq, there was a trifecta favoring a war with Iran: the mullahs in charge there, their position on our regime change list as a member of the axis of evil, and Iran’s refusal to stand down on uranium enrichment.
With the emerging of the Iraq quagmire, the probability of war with Iran became favored by the double trifecta: the preceding plus their interfering with our Iraq project, a US president who needs a wider war to shield his Iraq failure, and as payback to Iran for being the grande beneficiary of that failure.
jon
February 7th, 2007 at 10:02 pmConnecting the dots: From human behaviors to Ecosystem decline
http://StudentsForTheEarth.org
i agree with General Strike. there are only two things Bush understands: weapons and money...
let's try the money angle first.
obviously, the democrats are not going to do anything to stop this mad man.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:06 pm"‘Invade Iran. Then everyone will see how smart we are.’ " Yeah shoot yourself in the face to prove your intelligence! LOL! It is so hard to believe that these people are actually running the country.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:09 pmI am a American tax payer. George Bush works for me and i want to FIRE him
February 7th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThe man couldn’t find oil in Texas…
He’s done nothing successful in his entire presidency of 6 years…
Iraq is a worse mess than it ever was under Saddam…
The National Deficit is in the trillions…
No healthcare, no social security solution, no educational achievements, no solution for Global Warming, and on and on and on…
It’s beyond the point of redemption.
Well said.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:25 pmNo one is talking about the elephant in the room. It is Israel and AIPAC and AJL and PNAC and Zionisism. They have their people strategically placed within the government (Perle, Wolfowitz, Chertoff, Lieberman,etc.) and have been planning a Lebanon, Iraq, Iranian, Syrian, et.al. take over of the entire middle east for domination of the oil and supposed protection of Israel. They don't see what happened to Germany and Hitler, and history is doomed to repeat. Us lowly American Citizens can't stop it, the Legislature won't (they've sold out to Israel) but the world will not stand by and watch us blow it up and radiate it. Russia and China will be sure to put us in our box, because the world sees us as the real terrorists and see Cheney and Bush as Hitler like dictators. War III is already begun But NO ONE wants to talk about it or admit it. Sad.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:34 pmIf one takes the really long view, one imagines that America approaches a point where we might learn something crucial about our character flaws, and learn to be better. But the way societies learn in durable ways usually requires that things really go to hell in a handbasket. Dubya seems hellbent to deliver the whole enchilada: Crippling debt, the elimination of the middle class, the end of Constitutional Law. And now this = Global Thermonuclear War.
A moderately sized nuclear war ( carried out on cities) will for some time, stir up enough particulate matter to offset global warming. So the really good news is that there are probably some cockroaches on a low-lying tropical atol who will benefit from Dubya's policies.
Unless I am mistaken, it was not those cockroaches who put him in office.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:50 pmOne question...why doesn't congress make a resolution that he can't. I am sure that the republicans in congress would get on board this. And if he does something stupid all congress has to do is send in the national guard and goose step him and cheney out the door of the white house. Defying congress and the constitution is TREASON isn't it.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThey are actually going to invade Iran!?!?...
Former CIA officer Phillip Giraldi said, “I’ve heard from sources at the Pentagon that their impression is that the White House has made a decision that war is going to happen.â€...
February 7th, 2007 at 11:16 pmMarge, why would the republicans get onboard?
February 7th, 2007 at 11:26 pmand what good would another resolution do?
it might put them on record opposing the deed, but who will be around to read it after he nukes iran?
I do agree with #100 -- a general strike or similar intense wake-up call, to break into the madmen's nightmare. how does anyone get MobveOn. USA Today and 10000 other points of light to pick up on this ASAP
keep it up children we've got a ways to go yet ...
February 7th, 2007 at 11:28 pmJust like they did with the Viet Nam War...the Johnson Administration created the 'Gulf of Tonkin incident' to throw the country full throttle, 250,000 troops and more into the 'Viet Nam Conflict'...a 'conflict' that damaged America irreparably although Reagan, Bush, and Clinton tried to make war 'okay again'.
Last night I dreamed that all of the airline companies and all owners of private jets flew to Iraq and brought all of our remaining 'troops' home! And they succeeded. It's up to us.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:29 pmNo ones after the people of Iran. The U.S. is just trying to stop Iran, which already supplies weapons to U.S.'s enemies, from sharing its nuclear technology with countries, terrorist organizations rather, that are willing to use it against us.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:34 pmsorry guys,
Whatever horrors might befall the world from an invasion in Iran would pale in comparison with Iran getting The Bomb (and the atomic race it would set off in the region).
February 7th, 2007 at 11:41 pmHey..nothing THIS wrong..has ever been changed by, protesting or writing to your local (bought and sold) reprehensible in congress..(it) the insanity, will get alot worse, before it can get better..so,,downsize, liquidate and whatever you do, don't let them take, what makes you...you........separate and protect yourself..Resist, vaccinations and understand, the plan is to reduce the population..I've done the math. It's a losing hand..Anyway you look at it......it's all by design..all in the plan..Ofcourse, knowing that, doesn't stop the anger and frustration....Don't drive yourself crazy.. Try to bend with the times of change, however hard that is, and you will not break...After all: what good are you broken?..Know this: on 12/21/2012 the world as we know it will align itself to the center of the galaxcy..All of the planets and the sun, all lined up to the exact center of the universe..that is fact..and the great circle of life shall renew itself once more..as it has, for enons...and you, will have been just a small (but very important) contribution to the (oneness)..to which we all belong..All is, as it should be.....Sleep well....
February 7th, 2007 at 11:49 pmumm...would i be able to get to canada in time just in case? im really worried about this...even as a high schooler
February 7th, 2007 at 11:51 pmWhat I find really amazing is when Bush first proposed the war against Iraq, if ANYBODY had the nerve to suggest it was a bad idea or wrong or based on bad information they got burned and buried in EVERY forum, blog or newsgroup. Now the tide has changed, where are all the ra ra patriotic Americans that labeled us UN patriotic? Have you crawled back into the woodwork? Admitted you were wrong? or like Kerry changed your mind? For the first time in years one can be against the war and not get flamed. How many people have to die and where are the WMD or Ben Laden or the links to terrorism? What we need to do is attack everybody that doesn't agree with us then we will be like, wait for it!... Terrorists.
February 7th, 2007 at 11:53 pmMaybe its time for a revolution (ala Guillotine like the french did)
February 8th, 2007 at 12:04 amI thought we were at war with Eurasia. Now we're at war with East Asia?
February 8th, 2007 at 12:15 amike and myname,
i guess u dont believe in talk or negotiations.
(bush doesnt talk with people he talks at them)
intel says the iranians are a number of years away from being dangerous....in the meantime, there are other options besides nuking iranians.
(the radiation clouds would affect afghanistan, pakistan, and india, btw)
o yes! i nearly forgot, just as bushiepoo lost the midterm elections, so did the president of iran...if bush attacks he will only strengthen the hardliners and assure the silencing of all dissent in iran.
besides, if we bomb iran unprovoked, all bets are off...
February 8th, 2007 at 12:19 amany 'self-respecting' islamist with a device in the usa will martyr himself to level one of our cities.
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February 8th, 2007 at 12:26 amGW has 2 years left in office, a low approval rating and nothing left to lose.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:33 amI would not doubt that if he can get around the people on the Hill he'll go for it. Americans and particularly conservatives hold grudges for a very long time and none have forgotten the embarassment of 1979 when Iran stuck it too them. The world can't really think any worse of you, especially if you market it right.
More politically effective for Bush, and far less expensive, would be to reach an agreement with Iran "just in time" to avoid war. They drop their nuclear program, and in return they get Iraq as a Shiite theocracy allied to Iran. Oh, wait, they already have that, don't they? Saddam Hussein was Iran's worst enemy in the world. Was Bush's toppling of his regime a quid pro quo granted by Bush in advance of expected repayment by the ayatollahs, which would take the form of their "capitulating" to Bush's demands at a moment best suited to Karl Rove's political needs? Don't laugh, because a similar quid pro quo happened before, involving many of the same players who run today's White House. "Students" controlled by the Ayatollah Khomeini's Iranian government held 52 US Embassy hostages just long enough to maximally embarass and help defeat Jimmy Carter in the 1980 presidential election, then dramatically released them at the moment of Ronald Reagan's inauguration, and for this helpful manuever Khomeini was (rather obviously) repaid by shiploads of advanced American weapons covertly and ilegally sent to Iran by the Reagan/Bush I White House during the so-called Iran/Contra operation, the perpetrators of which were later pardoned by Dubya's father, who is widely believed to have run the operation for Reagan out of his then-Vice Presidential office.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:36 amIs there anyone involved in this insane scheme who has any military experience at all?
We do not have enough troops for the occupation of Iraq. How could we possibly have enough to fight a large, organized Iranian army?
What worries me in the long term are two things:
How stigmatised the US will become if we carry out as massive an attack as has been speculated here.
How weak our country is growing by the day. What is a rising Chinese government official, who served in the military and whose son is in the military like any other Chinese man his age, to make of a country that would rather send vollunteers under contract on repeated tours of duty than start up a draft?
February 8th, 2007 at 12:44 amI just hope Iran isn't bullshitting us and actually DOES have some nukes- or we are going to look like jackasses.
Also, there is a silver lining here. During the time we've spent inflaming the hell out of the region (coincidentally the length of time Bush has been in office) Iran has morphed from "least crazy Iran in decades" to the "Iran that is just like what we THOUGHT Iraq was".
So if we attack Iran before Akmadenijad (or whatever) is tossed out by his people, then we are kinda getting the bad guy, sorry....EVIL DOER that Saddam really failed to live up to.
I mean sure, the 9/11 attack that got us off on all these fantastic adventures was launched with planes, not bombs and by stateless drifters, not Presidents of distant nations but.... you say toe-may-toe, I say to-ma-togh.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:51 amNot going to happen, at least in the next two years. Remember, Congress must approve military actions against sovereign nations, and that would be absurd given the current popularity of the Iraq war.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:02 amWelcome to totalitarianism.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:13 amHello ..
Well, i cant believe most of the comments are from American people since they are filled with such hatred feelings towards your president.
Though you cannot see it, but history is being made as we speak, and the world is already in a WW III route. though some left wingers all over the world believe that war can be stopped at any time. I AM TELLING YOU IT CANT ! . I have to things to say to you that will make you understand, First, I'm a Jew, a grandson to a holocaust survivor and to a partisan, from my mother's side, my father's family are from Morocco.
Israel has undergone about 7-8 wars in its 60 years of state. most of them were started by not one , but at least 3 Arab countries at the same time. The 6-days war, Yuk Kippur War, The liberation war(in which you can say almost all of the Arab countries took part, including, IRAQ, Lybia, and other countries which Israel has no border with.
War is not something you can stop before it happens .. You can tactic your way into a lower amount of casualties , .. But Your enemy will still be your enemy, and now you are facing the enemy which Israel has been facing for the last 60 to 120 years. The Muslims and the Arabs, most of this countries are States in which the regime is dictating the life of its citizens, most of them are rule by 1 to 12 people who cannot be replaced by any mean then a revolution .. some of this countries have gone at least 4 Armed revolutions in the past 70 years ( IRAQ, Egypt. Syria etc ... ).
This countries and regime, along with their religion will not let you sleep until they have made their faith a ruler of the world ... this is why so many people immigrate to your countries(Yours = USA , Europe Canada etc).
more specifically about Iran. Just like the Nazis in 1933 who said " WE ARE GOING TO KILL ALL THE JEWS AND CONQUER ALL OF WORLD AND DO THAT AND THAT AND TAHT !". Iran is saying to you very clearly now. "WE ARE GOING TO ATTACK ISRAEL WHEN WE CAN". To justify that they are revoking the holocaust. The American people can stand now next to their troops and Government and support them in an historical fix, To prevent a second Jewish holocaust, Or you can demonstrate against attacking the only country which is an immediate treat to the world's peace . IRAN .
Roy Harush
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February 8th, 2007 at 1:59 amstop bitch here! WRITE YOUR CONGRESS
February 8th, 2007 at 2:21 amwrite the senators and house !
hand write your letters, it'l take you 5 minutes to find their address in google!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no one here cares what you say, TELL CONGRESS YOUR THOUGHTS
Most crooked, corrupt Evil President we ever elected. And the Evil man is voted Villain of the world by 25%, second is Bin Laden at 8% and Satan at 1%. He does not know how to solve any other problems. All he knows how to abuse young kids as canon fodder and US military hardware to kill as many people as he can in the name of GOD, while he did everything to get out of war himself....
February 8th, 2007 at 2:31 amlets ship the bush daughters off to war...this guy has no problems with shipping other peoples children off to war that was made all on false pretenses..
February 8th, 2007 at 2:38 amWe are approaching benevolent?? dictatorship!
Democrats must cut military funds. Allow only enough to pass to support withdrawal of our troups to safe ground. Apply the nuclear option against filibuster if absolutely necessary in response to the republicans attempt to block. Let the onus of our troups remaining in harm's way be on the head of the man who can command them to withdraw.
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February 8th, 2007 at 2:57 am130. I mean sure, the 9/11 attack that got us off on all these fantastic adventures was launched with planes, not bombs and by stateless drifters, not Presidents of distant nations but….
Check this out, Danny:
http://www.truth911.net/
"OK, you've covered your ass ..." - "President" GW Bush before 9/11
I do also like the general strike idea; I wish the soldiers in Iraq would go on one first (I doubt the leadership there would be surprised if they did revolt).
February 8th, 2007 at 2:58 amWell, Bush created the "New Iraq" and look how successful that has….uh, oh, forgot they haven't been calling it the "New Iraq" lately have they? Come to think of it, they haven't been referring to the "Old Iraq" or even "Old Europe" much either these days. Wonder why? In any case, it looks like we'll have the "New Iran" soon too!
I fear all of this continuous nuke-terrorism-war-mongering is a mindless far-right demonic tantrum for the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan combined with their seething anger at being rejected by the American public. Since they do not respect the Constitution, our democratic process and values, or the people it should be no surprise this continuous regurgitation of same old crap. Anyone--Americans, Europeans, Islam, non-fundamentalist, scientists, teachers, white and blue collar workers, businesses, etc--that disagree with them are simply enemies that must be stopped or destroyed. Always the 'us against them' mindset. Everything reduced to simplistic platitudes, which deny reality to deliver more destruction regardless of the ultimate consequences in failure. This is the politics of the "true believers" where ordinary decent folk become simple fodder for their "progroms".
Who would have ever thought that an American President could even contemplate bringing the world close to the brink over a country with as little world respect as Iran? (At least with the old Soviet Union we had something very real to fear--like, tens of thousands of armed and aimed nukes ready to launch not only at us but all that protected centuries of hard earned liberal humanity across the globe). Who would have ever thought such a President could ignore a world's warning of impending ecological disaster in global warming only to knowingly dismiss it like some new Flat Earth Society? Who would have ever thought that an American administration could have done so much collective damage to our national reputation, economy, education, and sense of social responsibility, while leaving our great great grandchildren to pick up and pay its debts?
If these guys are in charge much longer we will be not only be worrying about a world in chaos, global warming, and centuries of tit for tat revenge hatred but a whole new perspective of life in the Dark Ages.
February 8th, 2007 at 3:45 amA war with Iran will very likely convince
ALL the Iranian people that possessing a nuclear bomb would be the only way to avoid another war in future and discouraging their potential enemy from attacking Iran.
Being forced by drawing itself out of NPT
and having the mass support, it would be easier for every Iranian government to go forward to achieve this goal.
A war will also be catastrophic for USA. There are still many iraninan who have suffered from Iraq-Iran war which was provocated by USA and they truely blame
the Americans for that sufferings.
All information about Iranian army
movements during that war
(gathered by american sattelites) was
sent directly to Saddam; just to mention one.
There are actually millions of Iranians who are thirsty for an oppurtunity to revenge.
They have both the will and the power (sophisticated light weaponry) to defeat
Americans in a long war.
Bombing nuclear facilities is just the beginning. This decision will be made by Americans. However the end, will be decided by Iranian resistance.
The conclusion is that a war is not of any
good neither to Americans nor to Iranian.
Best regards
February 8th, 2007 at 4:10 amGavmish
"The man couldn’t find oil in Texas…
He’s done nothing successful in his entire presidency of 6 years…
Iraq is a worse mess than it ever was under Saddam…
The National Deficit is in the trillions…
No healthcare, no social security solution, no educational achievements, no solution for Global Warming, and on and on and on…
It’s beyond the point of redemption. "
Thats a matter of fact.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:16 am"The man couldn’t find oil in Texas…
He’s done nothing successful in his entire presidency of 6 years…
Iraq is a worse mess than it ever was under Saddam…
The National Deficit is in the trillions…
No healthcare, no social security solution, no educational achievements, no solution for Global Warming, and on and on and on…
It’s beyond the point of redemption."
Thats true.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:18 am"Though you cannot see it, but history is being made as we speak, and the world is already in a WW III route. though some left wingers all over the world believe that war can be stopped at any time. I AM TELLING YOU IT CANT !"
You are so right! Wow, now that I've accepted and surrendered to armageddon, I do feel GREAT! Remember kids: War=Peace! It's time to trust our leaders to nuke the RIGHT people, that makes it Okay. Eat more fear, it makes lovely turds like the one I just read.
Thank you moron death squad for your "enlightened perspecitive."
February 8th, 2007 at 4:38 amSCARY, Bush may be the Anti Christ. We can change history if we demand his resignation now! Not just Bush but Cheny too!
February 8th, 2007 at 4:49 amWHEN WILL WE, AMERICANS STOP PUTTING OUR NOSE ON OTHER COUNTRIES? WTF!
February 8th, 2007 at 4:55 amIsn't there a provision in the Constitution that allows for the removal of a President (and, by extension, a vice-president) on grounds of insanity? Impeachment procedures would be far too lengthy and would allow George "Strangelove" Bush to go ahead with his insane plans.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:57 amThe war in Iran will be a cover up . Bush, chenny will displace blame and they think they will continue to fear monger. This administration is caught in a web of lies , just like Nixon. We must stop them before they try to cover up with another un law full war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 8th, 2007 at 5:45 amIt's time for impeachment.
February 8th, 2007 at 5:49 amif so much as an american bullet flies across the iranian border you can kiss 3/4 of the world good bye in under a week because iran is NOT going to be scared to fire that first missile and wipe out israel and start WW3 and global nuclear war...
February 8th, 2007 at 6:33 amnothing in this article is new- sorry. and why didnt author mention PNAC so readers had real info that reveals full scope/pattern of these same players schemes?
February 8th, 2007 at 6:41 am#152 yeah its not new. Nothing is. Just trying to let you know that alot of us in the forum know what The chairman of PNAC is William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and FOX News regular and also a jew with deep Israeli-ties who wants the U.S. in another war with Iran as Israel's patsy.
February 8th, 2007 at 6:53 amIf we must bomb someone in the Mid East, let's bomb the "settlements". Getting rid of those racist land thieves might show the World that we are actually trying to promote peace and justice over there.
February 8th, 2007 at 7:19 amJust as the "ungrateful violent Iraqis" meme has been sown like so much spring seed, look for the "of course we have to guard and control the oil" meme to come out from under wraps this March or April.
It will go, "we must protect the world's oil resources, because the violent ungrateful Iraqis are incapable of doing so. We will prevent the world's (formerly the Iraqis') oil from falling into the hands of the terrorists, or the French."
Next up: Medal of Freedom for Dick Cheney
February 8th, 2007 at 8:02 amQuestion: Where does the real blame lie respective to what occurred within 1930s Germany - the international elite who funded the Nazi machine, the Nazi's themselves, or, the majority of the German populace, who sat back and allowed evil to manifest?
Silence = consent.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:05 amthe ape is showing its dumb face again. bush is definitely the stupidest president this country has ever seen - what a shame. they should use his speeches in drug treatment clinics.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:08 amimpeach bush, hang him for war crime!!!
February 8th, 2007 at 8:11 amI love the way Americans operate! You have a president who lost an election but went to the White House anyway. They re-elected him once more and he took you to an unwinnable war on fals pretence, while speding billions in the process and not forgetting the heartbroken families who lost love once. Now if you say he is on the verge on a new war with a formidable enemy - you remind me of Alfred Lord Tennisons' Charge of the Light Brigade. Good luck!! You will need to upgrade the company that produces body bags.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:18 amIf the war between US and Iran happens, you guys better start saving gas money or buy a bike!
February 8th, 2007 at 8:19 amBush and Co were hardly what I would call "stupid" or "reckless" when they invaded Iraq. In fact, they HAD to do it, they had NO choice in the matter.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:30 am1. Saddam had transferred from dollars to euros and he was the first major oil producing country to do so but he certanly wasnt going to be the last. Now Iran has done the same thing. Once the other oil producing countries would have seen the benefits of switching and seen how the falling dollar is wipign their profits they would have done the same and it would have been bye bye dollar
as world reserve currency.
2. If Bush hadnt invaded Iraq he would have appeared weak while fighting his "war on terrorism." After all, what was there left to shoot in Afganistan?
3. US economy is war based economy. The USA needs a major war every 10 years to survive. Invading Iraq Bush is making sure all the nice companies in USA are making now billions of dollars. The Wolf made sure of that. Sure, you average people aint making shit off the Iraq war, but who cares about you? The RIGHT people are getting rich off Iraq and THATS whats important.
To Random Rightie: Sure sure,
consensus average estimate is less than 2 degrees centigrade over a century. It doesnt sound like much right? But when we start having trouble producing food for the 6.5 billion people due to all the side effects that come with global warming. Then I dont wanna hear complain when you have to start paying 5 dollars for a loaf of bread and ridicilous prices for food, ok?
The only thing this administration has accomplished in anything it has attempted has been to make bad situations worse. What I want to know is why Congress is so afraid of them? Congress is the only hope we have and it seems filled with cowards.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:39 amI would have love to see all of your comments the day after 911, I'm sure things were different! Should the Iraq war still be going on...NO! Was it the right thing to invade...YES! It had to be done, was there weapons of mass destruction...maybe not, was the potential there to become a nuclear power...YES! Sorry I'm just tired of the Bush Bashing.....he not the best president but hell, what would Al Gore have done in these situations.....Yeah so Bush isn't so Bad.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:45 amThis is scary stuff. BUT
February 8th, 2007 at 8:47 amIf you really want to be scared, face the truth:
on the issues that really matter, there is absolutely NO difference between the Democrats and Republicans. They are both owned by the same corporations, the same AIPAC, and the same media monopoly.
America, you are enslaved.
Don't worry! Remember: Thanks to the Democrats in Congress IMPEACHMENT IS OFF THE TABLE. Which means Bush is free to wreak more hell upon the world...
The Dems can make all the excuses in the world: THEY ENABLED THIS WAR and now they are pretending to do something to stop the spiraling disaster from continuing.
STOP the funding now (except of course to support our soliders already on the ground) and START impeachment tomorrow.
February 8th, 2007 at 8:50 amP.S. John - you have it EXACTLY right: There is absolutely NO difference between the Democrats and Republicans. They are both owned by the same corporations, the same AIPAC, and the same media monopoly. America, you are enslaved.
February 8th, 2007 at 9:05 amAmerican wont go to war with Iran.......they dont have the bollox
February 8th, 2007 at 9:08 amThe very idea of invading Iran is so blitheringly stupid I doubt the reliability of the "leaked" opinions. Personally I remain committed to the ongoing success we have achieved with the invasion of Austria. While it's true that additional troops will be needed to subdue the Catholicist insurgents in the south, every indication is that - with more massive funding - we can turn the rogue nation of Austria into a stronghold of moderation (or a wasteland - whichever comes first) God Bless America!
February 8th, 2007 at 9:09 amDropping nuclear bombs on non-nuclear Iran will end the United States as we know it. Not only is such an action immoral and illegal, it will kill the soul of our country and all the reasons that our ancestors came here in the first place. We've already done enough damage to the Middle East with Depleted Uranium and spreading of chaos under the guise of "blame the victim". Attacking Iran will be the straw that broke the camel's back.
February 8th, 2007 at 9:22 amCongress will sit on their hands until we all take to the streets and storm the Capitol!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 8th, 2007 at 9:30 amThere must be riots in the streets if that little fool attacks Iran. There's no way Congress can be relied on to stop him - no toothless paper threat is going to restrain Junior. The only thing to do in the event of an attack or invasion is to take to the streets, my friends.
February 8th, 2007 at 9:36 amGrover Norquist is a worse war criminal and facist than Bill Kristol and Karl Rove all rolled into one. Why is a liberal site quoting this facist pig?
February 8th, 2007 at 9:49 amDumb stupid idiot Bush. History will judge you -- and what it's worst, all the americans-- for just doing nothing to stop this. Just like germans in 1942.
February 8th, 2007 at 9:53 amIf my faith in my country has any basis whatsoever, then after all this is over, there are going to be some trials and some hangings. We have to talk in these stark terms if we are to save our republic. The delusion that we can just pass non-binding resolutions or even binding resolutions to counter fanatics will ultimately lead to our ruin.
February 8th, 2007 at 9:55 amThe U.S. as a democratic, constitutional republic is plunging head-long into the abyss at the hands of these neocon madmen. If - and it looks increasingly likely that it'll be when - they stage their nuclear war crime against the innocent men, women, and children of Iran, and which will, without saying, result in untold thousands of civilian deaths in Iran and South Asia, the Islamic world's anger against the West will be stoked to an incandescent level heretofore unconceived, and it will be just as likely, nay inevitable, that many, many innocent lives in the West will be lost in reciprocal attacks of revenge - likely nuclear or biological - by al Qaeda and other factions. Such attacks will give Bush, his cabal of fascist maniacs, and his bible-thumping "End Times" supporters the excuse they need to impose the theocratic police state on North America they all long for.
We are watching the deliberately plotted and executed Death of America, and, by extension, the World, at the hands of these psychotics...
Keep a clear eye,
Neil H.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:04 amWhitby, Ontario
What's one more war for Israel sold as America's War. The American cattle will be effectively driven to another war. Just watch. Another Tonkin incident (perhaps in US), a few blackmailed (by AIPAC/MOSSAD )US generals with dire and fantastic end-of-the-world pronouncements; a smattering of whore politicians in Europe (like Blair). I see the propaganda lie-machine going into overdrive on this ... poor soccermoms w/ child custody but wicked Iranian husband took kids to Iran and Evil Irani court system won't return 'em; homosexual bars raided in Teheran, Poor parents of dead GI blaming Iranian Gov't because their kid got his head shot off; The New Hitler in Tean"It's just like 1938", Christain minority and Bahais treated badly (remember the phony story of the yellow stars planted and debunked awile ago?, blah blah . "Obama agrees Iran Must BE Stopped" ; Hillary Urges Military Action"...future headlines ...........you just know some dissident Iranian who claims to be an inner-circle nuclear weapons physicist will claim the nukes will be ready in days. The only good thing will be that the stupid American goyim will be looking to blame the rats who caused gas to go up to $6/gal
February 8th, 2007 at 10:09 amWhy, of course people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on
February 8th, 2007 at 10:13 ama farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out
of it is to come back to the farm in one piece? Naturally the
common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England,
nor for that matter Germany. That is understood. But after all, it
is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is
always simple to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy,
or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought
to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is
tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for
lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works
the same in any country....
--Herman Goering at Nuremburg Trials
Do we want to stop war? STOP Israel. Force them to recognise a palestinian country and to keep inside their bordes. The rest of the world would support the US on doing this.
I dont' think US will bomb Iran. Someone 'intelligent' in the Pentagon seems to be working to cause a huge civil-war on Irak and extend it to Iran.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:15 am"It's The Pentagon, Stupid" should be the slogan for the (Real) Democratic party.
"In assessing the future utility and applicability of Rapid Dominance, it is crucial to consider the political context in which force is likely to be employed.
As we enter the next century, the probability is low that an over-riding, massive, direct threat posed by a peer-competitor to the US will emerge in the near term.
Without compelling reasons, public tolerance toward American sacrifice abroad will remain low and may even decrease."
"Unless a new menace materializes, defense is headed for less of the same. Such [defense spending] reductions may have no strategic consequences.
However, that is an outcome that we believe should not be left to chance."
Shock and Awe: Achieving Rapid Dominance (1996)
by Harlan K. Ullman and James P. Wade National Defense University
http://www.dodccrp.org/shockIndex.html
http://stj911.org/
February 8th, 2007 at 10:25 amInvade Iran?
February 8th, 2007 at 10:25 amBrilliant move?
Come on. Look at the consequences. Death. Destruction. A draft. Untoward federal spending. The demise of entitlements. An astronomical price rise in oil. Terrorism at home. Public unrest. Foreign intervention. The rise of Russia and China. An explosion of all moslem states and their unification. The sealing of the straits of Hormuz. Revolution in Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The rise of Chavez and more Communism in Latin America. The pissobolitu of strikes against the american army and navy in the mideast. A missile attack on Israel.
What does Bush have to gain?
Nothing.
When is someone in Congress going to grow some balls and Impeach Bush before he destroys our nation?
February 8th, 2007 at 10:30 amIt's obvious that despite the elections, the scandals and the total failure of Bush's current foreign policy that he is still The Decider (TM). Given that he is also a de facto dictator (signing statements prove he has no interest in ANY legislation of the former and current Congress) - he will proceed with this invasion or air strike.
Then the American people will have to decide which course of action to take:
1. Continue to allow Bush to fail.
2. Continue to allow Bush to fail.
or
3. Continue to allow Bush to fail.
Since the voters have no interest in actually getting a return on our investment (eg, the BILLIONS lost, stolen and embezzeled in Iraq), I suggest that the public is interested only in American Idol, Survivor, the latest K-Fed issue, what Brittany is having for lunch, and what to wear at the country club.
This nation has lost its will to continue to be a world power. Bush will go down in history as the man who made that happen. When our economic engine grinds to a halt, when the coastlines are swamped by oceans that have moved inland, when insurance companies will not be able to bailout those who live on the shorelines, when our economic engine that fuels the planet fails, when the oil no longer is easy to get or as plentiful, it will be way too late.
Kiss the America you knew goodbye because it's not coming back any time soon.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:34 amWhy dont you just come invade Canada... I mean... why not?
February 8th, 2007 at 11:07 amthis war on iran is totally going to kick ass
February 8th, 2007 at 11:21 am181............... I'd like to kick your ass!
February 8th, 2007 at 11:32 amOne must consider that even if on the surface invasion of Iran seems totally illogical, that;
1. The elite have their reasons, and
2. "I'm the decider"
Let's look at number one for a minute. There's a lot of money to (continue to) be made from at least starting a conventional war with Iran, and it would be a relatively easy thing to do and accomplish three goals; It would keep the money flowing into the coffers of the neocon elite while driving the deficit up and the middle and lower classes further down to serfdom, and enabling the government to more easily reinstate the draft. What's insane to 70% fills the bill for the top 1%. The remaining 29% is slag.
February 8th, 2007 at 11:54 amAs far as the number two reason, the decider will do as he pleases, with everyone believing that the elite are behind him, which they probably are, but where in this are our great military minds? Are they privvy to the closed door meetings of the oval office? The answer is NO. This is an important area that seems to have been overlooked. The President of the U.S. is the Commander in Chief who must be obeyed by all military forces, UNLESS he is deemed traitorious, incapable, or insane, then it is the DUTY of the military to relieve him of his command, especially during a time of war. I would say that it's high time for the top brass to step up to the plate as it has become quite obvious that the CIC has fulfilled at least two, and quite possibly all three of these "requirements".
As far as who's next in the chene(y) of command, the same goes for anyone who is in lock-step with the CIC.
Victory to the resistance everywhere!
February 8th, 2007 at 12:08 pmLets blame it all on the Pres!!! Nevermind he had plenty of willing members of Congress, House, and Senate from both sides of the aisle backing him.
People, pull your collective head out of your asses and realize that the problem goes beyond the President, its embedded in our political structure.
Democrats will do the exact same things as the Republicans, except you will get taxed more while doing it. GG.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI agree that there is no difference between Dems and Republicans. How do you want that? With or without lube?
February 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThis war will hasten the fall of the Amerikan Empire; so not all is bad. Some day we may return to a constitutional republic, but we should ethnically cleanse Amerika, first: clean the South of redneck christians.
February 8th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPaul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumesfeld and Dick Cheney are the key elements in US and Tony Blair the head of British Labor party is the European element for starting the invasion and occupation of Iraq, they also are the key elements in advocating the war with Iran and finally the (militarily) occupation of entire Middle East and Central Asia where the Empire ambitions in controlling the world economy ends, these elements don’t want anything more and that’s all they are asking or rather in terms of US militarism and Neo-Cons regime they are demanding it. This idea was, “to conquer†the geopolitical and economical (Mainly OIL) area in Middle East and Central Asia started with Bill Clinton and Madeline Albright (The Neo-conservatism from left…?) when they started the Balkan (Yugoslavia) invasion to have more axes to Oil and Gas rich central Asia and Kosovo was the best and shortest route (from Caspian Sea to Red Sea and then to former Yugoslavia) to import the Gas and Oil to Central Europe from Central Asia.
Then US and British (Oil companies with Dick Cheney being the head of Halliburton) hade some success by separating Yugoslavia, placing their militarism in some Balkan countries and by now placing the missiles defense system in Ceck republic and Bulgaria and so in Alaska and now they are talking to place the same system in Iraq and rest of the Middle East. One of the reasons behind democrats (some elements) whom are not willing to impeach Bush and his elements is the fact that democrats are as guilty as GOP when they agreed to invade Iraq and war in Yugoslavia, which the argument in being guilty or not is argued by the GOP as well and therefore nothing is happening. In reality Bush and his Neo-Cons actually challenges the house and the senate and therefore changes its course regarding Iraq, yet not willing to pull out of Iraq even dough its been recommended by some of very close tied to the Iraq occupation . Everyone knows that invasion of Iraq was and the occupation of Iraq is illegal unless the government of Iraq firmly and through UN asks for the US and British militarism regimes to stay, (under the existing situation and its implemented government, Iraqi regime have no other alternatives but to beg the US and British to stay for now) and to invade Iraq by the Bush regime this man been asking the senate and democrats cooperation’s and its been granted to him by the same people that criticize him, beside, the idea of dividing Yugoslavia and Iraq invasion is in conjunctions with the idea in occupation and thereby control of the world most sources in energy oil and gas (world economic control), so what is the base or a reason for argument…? And what can the democrats produce to show the world that US is the # 1 in democracy where it’s social justice system has a functioning system that works for democracy…? so where is the argument regarding a functioning democracy… if that was the case these elements who started the war in Viet Nam,Yugoslavia and now Iraq would have been prosecuted before they would even been able to convince both a democrats and a republican president into these wars, if that was the case the Viet Nam war and its democrats elements for war crime and act against humanity would have been prosecuted by now… so the entire matter is upon the people, their understanding of a functioning democracy, or those (elements) that are against such existence will continue with their Imperial ambitions’ no matter which side they belong to.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:25 pmIt is the occupation of Iraq that may have been the mistake, but not the invasion. Similarly with Iran, punish them if you must, but hit them and get the hell our right away this time. Hit them enough to make them remember the punch for some time, but do not incapacitate them. No boots on the ground needed - just some B-2s.
February 8th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#189 Ernie Oporto.
February 8th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWhat a big COWARD you must be!
You hit them and run? sounds like a the warfare of some FULLY ARMED BUT DANGEROUSLY DUMB COUNTRY. Don't tell me this is our only war strategy. The Israelis did that against Hizbollah, but oh God, not the US Army. That would send a big signal that we are as lazy and stupid as the IDF.
bypass iran and go straight to isreal where the real trouble lies,israel is the one pushing bush to invade iran,and israel is the one that should be bombed for getting us into iraq
February 8th, 2007 at 2:31 pmfinatic molla they dont need to have bomb
February 8th, 2007 at 2:37 pmthey have lots of oil
they are going to bomb israel today and split iraq with Suria.
And kill minority in iran and export terrorist to world
dems sold out to war also,two party system dead in america,vote green or indy,notice dems wont stop the funding for the war they also voted for, with a few exceptions like barbara lee,no more wars for israel,time to force israel to sign the n.p.t. and start inspections in israel first,then we can talk about iran
February 8th, 2007 at 2:39 pmdid iran invade another nation?,no that was us,so cut out all this spreading terrorism bull,you want to see who is spreading terrorism,go look in the mirror
February 8th, 2007 at 2:41 pmIsrael is out of control and one of the keys to lasting peace in the region going forward. We must stop giving them carte blanche to rape the Palestinians of their land and dignity. How about we start supplying the Palestinians and Lebanese with money, arms, tanks, and helicopters? Even out the fight a little? Cut off all funding and arms shipments to Israel until they destroy all illegal settlements, retreat to their own borders, and recognize a Palestinian state.
February 8th, 2007 at 3:04 pmAnd I'm not saying the Palestinians don't have their own issues, e.g. the current Hamas vs. secularists struggle which is stupidly playing right into Israel's hands. But Israel is a rabid shih-tzu that must be brought to heel.
Carter was right and what he said was mild in the extreme. Anyone criticizing Israel is immediately & unfairly branded as an anti-Semite. That's bullshit and needs to be stopped. Stop Israel now.
Why is Rice saying that we will not attack Iran?
February 8th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWhy is Rice saying that we will not attack Iran?
Comment by Herb Schaffler
Because Rice lies through that gap in her teeth.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:22 pmHow about "Let's Bomb Iran so the Whole Country Can See How DUMB AND DUMBER we neocons are!" NOW THAT SOUNDS A HELL OF A LOT MORE LIKE IT, DON'T YOU THINK, Norquist, YOU UNMITIGATED PIECE OF S*IT AND repugnant-repub right wingnut!!!!!
February 8th, 2007 at 4:27 pmMore politically effective for Bush, and far less expensive, would be to reach an agreement with Iran “just in time†to avoid war. They drop their nuclear program, and in return they get Iraq as a Shiite theocracy allied to Iran. Oh, wait, they already have that, don’t they? Saddam Hussein was Iran’s worst enemy in the world. Was Bush’s toppling of his regime a quid pro quo granted by Bush in advance of expected repayment by the ayatollahs, which would take the form of their “capitulating†to Bush’s demands at a moment best suited to Karl Rove’s political needs? Don’t laugh, because a similar quid pro quo happened before, involving many of the same players who run today’s White House. “Students†controlled by the Ayatollah Khomeini’s Iranian government held 52 US Embassy hostages just long enough to maximally embarass and help defeat Jimmy Carter in the 1980 presidential election, then dramatically released them at the moment of Ronald Reagan’s inauguration, and for this helpful manuever Khomeini was (rather obviously) repaid by shiploads of advanced American weapons covertly and ilegally sent to Iran by the Reagan/Bush I White House during the so-called Iran/Contra operation, the perpetrators of which were later pardoned by Dubya’s father, who is widely believed to have run the operation for Reagan out of his then-Vice Presidential office.
Comment by Bill Frey — February 8, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Bill, you are basically spot-on with this. You missed a couple of important points:
1- They were NOT 'students' in any sense of the word; most likely they were trained bodyguards of Khomeini who infiltrated the schools as their cover. Only professionals could have taken the embassy so quickly and with no real bloodshed.
2- Reagan sent Poppybush to negotiate with Khomeini's agents in Paris at the same time Carter had people there negotiating a release of the hostages. There was an approximate 2-week timeframe in 1980 when Poppy was nowhere to be found in the USA, and there are confirming witnesses who saw him in Paris as that time. This was the original October Surprise (intended to surprise Reagan, but actually surprising Carter), and the Republikommunists have used it very well ever since. In fact, the only thing that derailed their plans in the 90's was Ross Perot, who, despite their best efforts to keep the party unified, sent the nit-wits voting for him, and the sane few to Clinton, leaving the sheep in the middle to vote for Poppy, and then Dolepineapple.
It is more than time for impeachment. Pelosi has to be convinced to put that back on the table immediately. She was a fool for ever saying it was off the table, especially considering the total lack of regard Dumbya has for anyone who opposes him.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI hope we invade iran, i think you are all just pussies with some candy coated view of the world. viva la dubya
February 8th, 2007 at 4:48 pm### All commentators here would do well to keep one thing in mind. The era of US one-man show running the world is over. Iraq is a glaring reminder of that fact.
Another thing to remember is the global rush towards democratic and equal rights for every body on earth. And that every second person walking our planet is either a Chinese or an Indian. Their concern for the future shape of the world will soon come to outweigh and displace US and Western global interests and presumption of God-given rights.
There is no way US with Israel and the West could tame Iran militarily; because an actual invasion of the country is fully ruled out by all concerned.
Many Israelis and their American sympathizers, with Hiroshima and Nagasaki in mind, think that a couple of nuclear strikes on Iran would do the trick. That won't do it either. Whether an H-bomb would soften Iran is a difficult question to answer at this point.
Japan did not succumb when 100.000 perished in Tokyo fire-bombing. Or when another 150.000 died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They surrendered when over one million Russians invaded from the north.
Iran could do just as well as Japanese, if not better under the present circumstances, when it comes to it.
February 8th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDear all Americains !
If you would have not been so dumb electing him twice, non of this would have happen !
So now, what you will all do about this ? Complaining and do nothing like everybody does in this thread ?
Oh and by the way, all those trillions of dolats ali-burton is making right now, comes directly from your yearly tax payments... Dont take it badly but you're kind of paying for the drama you're all whining about right now !
So since it is un-constitutional to pay taxes in USA why you just dont stop paying anual taxes instead of whining and waiting on someone else to do something at your place ?
February 8th, 2007 at 4:59 pm200 - David, I hope you get to be right there on top of the first tank to roll across the border. Coward.
February 8th, 2007 at 5:36 pmDid anyone think Isreal's reaction to two soldiers being kidnapped was a bit overkill? (with real killing!). I kinda thought it was a direct provocation to get Iran and Syria involved and thus justifying an American attack that would nicely sort out Isreal's enemies.
Of course Iran and Syria didn't get involved so the problem remains.
America has lost the high ground now and that's sad. I lost money betting (honestly, at a bookies) that you wouldn't re-elect the brainless chimp, but you did.
Impeach him and his cronies ASAP before he can start this damn war. It affect all of us in allied countries
Oh, and no plane hit the pentagon on 9/11. Look to Isreal for the resources and commitment needed to pull that one off.
February 8th, 2007 at 6:45 pmwithlovefromcanada--hows the school system up there? and whats teh weather like nowadays?
February 8th, 2007 at 6:53 pmwithlovefromcanada; don't blame me, I voted for Kerry- I even voted for McGovern back in '72.
February 8th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI think he is stupid enough to invade Iran, because he doesn't realize how stupid all his warmongering has been, to date.
This is the "Christian" administration? How ironic.
Does Jerry Falwell think that Christ would initiate a preemptive strike?
Start a war with Iran and China/Russia will just land on either shore and take the hell over.
February 8th, 2007 at 7:46 pm@creasybear
February 8th, 2007 at 10:10 pmYou say cowardly, I say not worth too much more of our time. Why spend so much energy smashing a fly?
The American people empeached former president Richard Nixon for far less damage to the United States credibility than George W. Bush is presently doing, yet Bush is still in office creating more mayhem that seems to have no control.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:53 pmThe United States of America is the greatest and most powerful nation on earth today and I cannot understand how American's can sit by and do nothing while this present administration drags the country down the economic and politic sewer which will end in disaster and ruination.
it's time it's time it's time to eliminate that evil pair cheney and bush
February 9th, 2007 at 12:01 amPLEASE Americans! Do not let this continue. Stand up! Organise! Fight!
The world is counting on you to save us from these monsters and their puppet. Time is running out.
YOU must do it. This does not mean making comments at a newpaper article. You have the power to KILL THESE WARMONGERS, not that I'm suggesting you should.
February 9th, 2007 at 12:17 amThey can't be that hard to find. Do some research. Take a vacation. Hunt these white-collar avaricious genocidal killers down and stop them. The world might not find out your name, but everyone will be thankful for your actions.
Ohhhh.......................I am so depressed about this whole Iraq, Iran--NUCLEAR thing! We are so undone by hubris!! How can humankind be so unthinking and stupid? Maybe you had better pass me the Kool Aid!!!
February 9th, 2007 at 12:57 amSo Bush torpedoes Iran and then Iran torpedoes our economy. Smart, real smart. Will it ever end?!
February 9th, 2007 at 1:12 amHas it not been said in the past, that if there were an all out war that Bush could cancel the elections and declare himself our president/comander in chief/king george/emperor? I truly believe that this is what he is up to. I listen to Air America, and they have agreed that this could happen under certain circumstances. Oh yea, marshal law too. I mean just look at the weak presidential candidates they are running out there. Be aware people.
February 9th, 2007 at 1:25 amTHIS IS NOT ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS...THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL. THIS IS ABOUT THE ILLITERATI...THE WESTERN CENTRAL BANKERS...THE FED...THE ELITISTS...THE FIAT CURRENCY THIEVES..THIS IS ABOUT CONTINUATION OF DOLLAR HEGEMONY!!!
This is about the Central Banker elitists...the Fed...the "Illuminati"...the OneWorldGovt supremacists...trying to maintain their seat of power by their controlling of almost all govts of the world thru the printing press...no, not Gutenberg's...we're talking GREEN ink...FRNs. Those who don't understand this just don't understand. This is not about Bush...this is not about Republicans or Democrats. This is not about the people of the US or our safety. This is pure and simple about maintaining the status quo of the fiat currency system and the subjugation of the American people and the people of all Western societies under the thumb of the banking elitists. Nothing more...nothing less.
The Federal Reserve Bank MUST BE SHUT DOWN!!!...without that, none of this will stop. They and their fellow elitist CBs will continue to fund wars...BOTH SIDES...until what remains of a free and proud people...who once were willing to die for their freedoms...once again stand up and demand the have their country returned to them...and the power to make money...REAL money...based on gold/silver...is returned to the representatives of the people...the Congress.
February 9th, 2007 at 2:19 am#214: Why spend so much energy smashing a fly?
Comment by Ernie Oporto
Oh, I thought Iraq was also a gnat. Didn't morons like you tell us the war would take about 2 months? So, Iran is now your fly, and you really want to go through the trouble of nuking this fly for Israel. Hmmm, maybe you should know what the entire Arab world is thinking:
The Arabs really fervently pray America is dumb enough to ever attack Iran, and I assure you that this will be the final war in that region for Israel and America. There's been a leak that there's been secret meetings btn the Syrians (Who know they are next), and Iranians, and other unmentioned four Arab countries, with the Russian and Chinese.
February 9th, 2007 at 3:49 amDo, you really think we'd just walk away after dropping a bomb on their land. No. Only a dolt like you think it would be that simple.
Killing people in a country that never attacked you was never simple. I hope Bush isn't as really dumb as you.
I think you have about said it all the selected moron has never ceased to amaze me with his stupidty.If he has one thriving brain cell left in his ugly mug he won't do another cowardly air strike on Iran and kill thousands of innocent people.
February 9th, 2007 at 4:07 pmNORQUIST-this chicken sh*t should be drowned in bathtub filled with horse piszz they are all greedy cowards.
February 9th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI say nukem' back to the stone age ! all of em !
February 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pm[...] the administration's former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs. Think Progress » Norquist: Bush’s Advisers Telling Him ‘Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How ... For example, Richard Perle, a former Bush administration official, has said, “I have very little [...]
February 13th, 2007 at 8:38 amI am trying to get the truth in my head. We went to war with Iraq for a lie. We want to continue war in Iraq because we are profiting.We went to war with Iraq and it will allow the United States to be in control of the last supply of oil. We may go to war with Iran and that will, in most expert opinions lead to an all out nuclear war. My question ? Why is every American and citizen of the world NOT ON THE STREET DEMANDING THE RESIGNATION OF BUSH AND CHENEY NOW?
February 20th, 2007 at 3:45 amWhat will happen if the US Nukes Iran? The US will become the new "Axis of Evil".
Bush desperately wants to start a war with Iran as a last gasp effort to salvage something beyond ignominious defeat for his "Legacy". All of the scenarios spelled out in the War Games the Joint Chiefs did in the last five years have said that starting a war with Iran will inevitably lead to a nuclear first strike against Iran's Natanz and Esfahan facilities.
The War Games Scenario for the Iran War goes like this:
1. The US or Israel [with US cooperation] prepares to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities at Natanz and Esfahan. A few Generals and Admirals resign but the attack happens anyway. The attack causes major surface damage but does not penetrate through the layers of reinforced concrete and steel to the level of the Centrifuges and Uranium processing facilities. The attack is a failure but it starts a US/Israeli war with Iran.
2. Iran announces it is withdrawing from the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran attacks any oil tankers passing through the Straights of Hormuz and the US Aircraft Carriers and their escorts in the gulf using swarming speedboats, torpedoes and silkworm cruise missiles and sinks at least 1 carrier and several other ships causing 2000-3000 US casualties.
3. The US Air-force starts large scale bombing of Iran's infrastructure.
4. Iran's Revolutionary Guard invades southern Iraq with 300,000-400,000 ground troops and cuts off all supplies to US forces in southern and western Iraq.
5. The US bombs areas of southern Iraq where Iranian soldiers are blocking US supplies and the US bombing causes mass civilian casualties.
6. The Iraqi Government orders the US to leave Iraq immediately or be attacked by the Iraqi Army. The Iraqi Shiite and Sunni Mullahs issue a Fatwa directing all Insurgents and Militias to attack US soldiers and not each other.
7. US forces are besieged by 300,000 Iranians and 200,000 Iraqi Army, Insurgents and Militia soldiers. After 60 days of intense fighting and 10,000-20,000 US casualties, the US bases in Iraq run out of fuel, ammunition and food.
8. The US troops in southern Iraq, western Iraq and Bagdad are forced to "Retreat Under Fire" to the Kurdish north leaving behind all of their heavy equipment.
9. The Iranians seize the abandoned US weapons and bring in fuel and supplies and turn the weapons on the US.
10. The US claimes the excuse of "Protecting US Troops" and uses tactical nuclear bombs to attack the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Militia forces in southern Iraq and nuclear bunker buster bombs to destroy Natanz and Esfahan in Iran. There are 300,000 immediate civilian casualties caused by the blast and radiation and 750,000 cases of radiation poisoning in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Northern India.
11. All Oil production in Iraq and Iran stops for 6-9 months [25% of world oil production]. All Middle-East Oil shipments through the Straights of Hormuz are stopped [20% of world oil production]. All middle-eastern countries together impose a total Oil Embargo on supplies to the US and Israel. Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina join in the Oil Embargo. Gasoline and Heating Fuel-oil prices rise to $10.00 per gallon, Natural Gas prices rise to $5.00 per CCF and gasoline rationing is imposed. Energy intensive industries shut down. Frequent major blackouts occur crippling the server farms that power the Internet. The US economy suffers a meltdown.
12. Iran abrogates the Non-Proliferation Treaty and reprocesses Plutonium from their research reactors to produce 1-2 nuclear bombs which are used to destroy Tel Aviv. Israel responds with their own nuclear bombs destroying Tehran.
13. A general war of all Islam vs. the US and Israel ensues. All US bases in the middle-east are attacked causing 50,000-75,000 US casualties before the US forces can escape. Israel is invaded from all sides by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories. The US and Israel are branded by the world as the "Axis of Evil".
Imagine a world where the US is reviled by every other nation for the unforgivable damage we have done to innocent civilians. Where the US is under a Permanent Oil Embargo by all OPEC member states. Where Canada, Mexico and South America join Europe and Asia to ban all trade with the US and evict all US Military bases from their soil. Where all US citizens with any connection to the Bush Administration are under indictment by The Hague and are put on a No-Fly List banning them from from travel outside the US. Where all US multi-national corporations are boycotted or banned by the rest of the world or are forced to split and change their names to avoid anti-US sentiment.
All this and more can happen if Bush decides to Nuke Iran.
Bush is the Decider. He makes the Decisions and the rest of us have to live with the consequences. Bush's Decisions about the Middle-East have been uniformly bad. Some of them have been worse than bad; they have crossed the line into the zone of Criminal Negligence and Suicidal Stupidity.
The worst Decision Bush has made in his two terms as President has been to insist that the use of Nuclear Bunker Buster bombs remain in the Pentagon's planning for dealing with Iran.
Iran may be telling the truth or Iran may be lying when they say that they are only trying to enrich Uranium for nuclear power. If Iran is telling the truth and their goal is just nuclear power, then using a Nuke against Iran will guarantee that Iran will go for The Bomb in self defense. If Iran is lying then using a Nuke against Iran will only delay Iran getting The Bomb by one or two years and will guarantee that they will attempt to use it against the US or Israel.
The US B61-11 Nuclear Bunker Buster bomb is only able to penetrate hard rock to a depth of 10-20 feet before it detonates. At 20ft penetration and maximum yield, the B61-11 can only destroy a facility that is buried less than 600ft below ground. Blast forces can be blocked by simple inexpensive materials like a 100ft thick layer of gravel or bags of sand or granulated salt. The limitations of the B61-11 have been known for years and any Iranian weapons facility will have been built with those limits in mind.
If Iran is actually trying to build a Nuclear Bomb, they will probably have done what Iraq and Pakistan did by building a secret second facility buried deep under ground under the publicly visible facilities at Natanz and Esfahan.
The Natanz facility in Iran is known to have a double roof of thick reinforced concrete with 50-75ft of gravel between the concrete layers. The roof is sufficient to protect against any non-nuclear bunker buster (even the US air forces MOAB bomb). Natanz could probably also survive a low yield Nuclear Bunker Buster bomb.
If the US actually used the B61-11 bomb in Iran against the Natanz or Esfahan facilities more than 500,000 civilian deaths could be expected in iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.
The short term concequence of the US starting a war with a Nuclear First Strike will be
March 3rd, 2007 at 5:18 amBush/Cheney's Impeachment and Trial for Treason. The long term concequence will be the meltdown of the US economy and a world wide depression that would probably last a decade or more. The final concequence will be massive nuclear proliferation by every country capable of developing nuclear weapons resulting in an eventual all-out Nuclear War.