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	<title>Comments on: Norquist: Bush&#8217;s Advisers Telling Him &#8216;Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How Smart We Are&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: DoctorD</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What will happen if the US Nukes Iran? The US will become the new &quot;Axis of Evil&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt;

Bush desperately wants to start a war with Iran as a last gasp effort to salvage something beyond ignominious defeat for his &quot;Legacy&quot;. All of the scenarios spelled out in the War Games the Joint Chiefs did in the last five years have said that starting a war with Iran will inevitably lead to a nuclear first strike against Iran&#039;s Natanz and Esfahan facilities.

The War Games Scenario for the Iran War goes like this:
1. The US or Israel [with US cooperation] prepares to bomb Iran&#039;s nuclear facilities at Natanz and Esfahan. A few Generals and Admirals resign but the attack happens anyway. The attack causes major surface damage but does not penetrate through the layers of reinforced concrete and steel to the level of the Centrifuges and Uranium processing facilities. The attack is a failure but it starts a US/Israeli war with Iran. 
2. Iran announces it is withdrawing from the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran attacks any oil tankers passing through the Straights of Hormuz and the US Aircraft Carriers and their escorts in the gulf using swarming speedboats, torpedoes and silkworm cruise missiles and sinks at least 1 carrier and several other ships causing 2000-3000 US casualties.
3. The US Air-force starts large scale bombing of Iran&#039;s infrastructure.
4. Iran&#039;s Revolutionary Guard invades southern Iraq with 300,000-400,000 ground troops and cuts off all supplies to US forces in southern and western Iraq.
5. The US bombs areas of southern Iraq where Iranian soldiers are blocking US supplies and the US bombing causes mass civilian casualties.
6. The Iraqi Government orders the US to leave Iraq immediately or be attacked by the Iraqi Army. The Iraqi Shiite and Sunni Mullahs issue a Fatwa directing all Insurgents and Militias to attack US soldiers and not each other. 
7. US forces are besieged by 300,000 Iranians and 200,000 Iraqi Army, Insurgents and Militia soldiers. After 60 days of intense fighting and 10,000-20,000 US casualties, the US bases in Iraq run out of fuel, ammunition and food.
8. The US troops in southern Iraq, western Iraq and Bagdad are forced to &quot;Retreat Under Fire&quot; to the Kurdish north leaving behind all of their heavy equipment.
9. The Iranians seize the abandoned US weapons and bring in fuel and supplies and turn the weapons on the US.
10. The US claimes the excuse of &quot;Protecting US Troops&quot; and uses tactical nuclear bombs to attack the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Militia forces in southern Iraq and nuclear bunker buster bombs to destroy Natanz and Esfahan in Iran. There are 300,000 immediate civilian casualties caused by the blast and radiation and 750,000 cases of radiation poisoning in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Northern India. 
11. All Oil production in Iraq and Iran stops for 6-9 months [25% of world oil production]. All Middle-East Oil shipments through the Straights of Hormuz are stopped [20% of world oil production]. All middle-eastern countries together impose a total Oil Embargo on supplies to the US and Israel. Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina join in the Oil Embargo. Gasoline and Heating Fuel-oil prices rise to $10.00 per gallon, Natural Gas prices rise to $5.00 per CCF and gasoline rationing is imposed. Energy intensive industries shut down. Frequent major blackouts occur crippling the server farms that power the Internet. The US economy suffers a meltdown. 
12. Iran abrogates the Non-Proliferation Treaty and reprocesses Plutonium from their research reactors to produce 1-2 nuclear bombs which are used to destroy Tel Aviv. Israel responds with their own nuclear bombs destroying Tehran. 
13. A general war of all Islam vs. the US and Israel ensues. All US bases in the middle-east are attacked causing 50,000-75,000 US casualties before the US forces can escape. Israel is invaded from all sides by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories. The US and Israel are branded by the world as the &quot;Axis of Evil&quot;.

Imagine a world where the US is reviled by every other nation for the unforgivable damage we have done to innocent civilians. Where the US is under a Permanent Oil Embargo by all OPEC member states. Where Canada, Mexico and South America join Europe and Asia to ban all trade with the US and evict all US Military bases from their soil. Where all US citizens with any connection to the Bush Administration are under indictment by The Hague and are put on a No-Fly List banning them from from travel outside the US. Where all US multi-national corporations are boycotted or banned by the rest of the world or are forced to split and change their names to avoid anti-US sentiment.

All this and more can happen if Bush decides to Nuke Iran.

Bush is the Decider. He makes the Decisions and the rest of us have to live with the consequences. Bush&#039;s Decisions about the Middle-East have been uniformly bad. Some of them have been worse than bad; they have crossed the line into the zone of Criminal Negligence and Suicidal Stupidity.

The worst Decision Bush has made in his two terms as President has been to insist that the use of Nuclear Bunker Buster bombs remain in the Pentagon&#039;s planning for dealing with Iran.

Iran may be telling the truth or Iran may be lying when they say that they are only trying to enrich Uranium for nuclear power. If Iran is telling the truth and their goal is just nuclear power, then using a Nuke against Iran will guarantee that Iran will go for The Bomb in self defense. If Iran is lying then using a Nuke against Iran will only delay Iran getting The Bomb by one or two years and will guarantee that they will attempt to use it against the US or Israel.

The US B61-11 Nuclear Bunker Buster bomb is only able to penetrate hard rock to a depth of 10-20 feet before it detonates. At 20ft penetration and maximum yield, the B61-11 can only destroy a facility that is buried less than 600ft below ground. Blast forces can be blocked by simple inexpensive materials like a 100ft thick layer of gravel or bags of sand or granulated salt. The limitations of the B61-11 have been known for years and any Iranian weapons facility will have been built with those limits in mind.

If Iran is actually trying to build a Nuclear Bomb, they will probably have done what Iraq and Pakistan did by building a secret second facility buried deep under ground under the publicly visible facilities at Natanz and Esfahan.

The Natanz facility in Iran is known to have a double roof of thick reinforced concrete with 50-75ft of gravel between the concrete layers. The roof is sufficient to protect against any non-nuclear bunker buster (even the US air forces MOAB bomb). Natanz could probably also survive a low yield Nuclear Bunker Buster bomb.

If the US actually used the B61-11 bomb in Iran against the Natanz or Esfahan facilities more than 500,000 civilian deaths could be expected in iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.

The short term concequence of the US starting a war with a Nuclear First Strike will be
Bush/Cheney&#039;s Impeachment and Trial for Treason. The long term concequence will be the meltdown of the US economy and a world wide depression that would probably last a decade or more. The final concequence will be massive nuclear proliferation by every country capable of developing nuclear weapons resulting in an eventual all-out Nuclear War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What will happen if the US Nukes Iran? The US will become the new &#8220;Axis of Evil&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p>Bush desperately wants to start a war with Iran as a last gasp effort to salvage something beyond ignominious defeat for his &#8220;Legacy&#8221;. All of the scenarios spelled out in the War Games the Joint Chiefs did in the last five years have said that starting a war with Iran will inevitably lead to a nuclear first strike against Iran&#8217;s Natanz and Esfahan facilities.</p>
<p>The War Games Scenario for the Iran War goes like this:<br />
1. The US or Israel [with US cooperation] prepares to bomb Iran&#8217;s nuclear facilities at Natanz and Esfahan. A few Generals and Admirals resign but the attack happens anyway. The attack causes major surface damage but does not penetrate through the layers of reinforced concrete and steel to the level of the Centrifuges and Uranium processing facilities. The attack is a failure but it starts a US/Israeli war with Iran.<br />
2. Iran announces it is withdrawing from the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran attacks any oil tankers passing through the Straights of Hormuz and the US Aircraft Carriers and their escorts in the gulf using swarming speedboats, torpedoes and silkworm cruise missiles and sinks at least 1 carrier and several other ships causing 2000-3000 US casualties.<br />
3. The US Air-force starts large scale bombing of Iran&#8217;s infrastructure.<br />
4. Iran&#8217;s Revolutionary Guard invades southern Iraq with 300,000-400,000 ground troops and cuts off all supplies to US forces in southern and western Iraq.<br />
5. The US bombs areas of southern Iraq where Iranian soldiers are blocking US supplies and the US bombing causes mass civilian casualties.<br />
6. The Iraqi Government orders the US to leave Iraq immediately or be attacked by the Iraqi Army. The Iraqi Shiite and Sunni Mullahs issue a Fatwa directing all Insurgents and Militias to attack US soldiers and not each other.<br />
7. US forces are besieged by 300,000 Iranians and 200,000 Iraqi Army, Insurgents and Militia soldiers. After 60 days of intense fighting and 10,000-20,000 US casualties, the US bases in Iraq run out of fuel, ammunition and food.<br />
8. The US troops in southern Iraq, western Iraq and Bagdad are forced to &#8220;Retreat Under Fire&#8221; to the Kurdish north leaving behind all of their heavy equipment.<br />
9. The Iranians seize the abandoned US weapons and bring in fuel and supplies and turn the weapons on the US.<br />
10. The US claimes the excuse of &#8220;Protecting US Troops&#8221; and uses tactical nuclear bombs to attack the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and Militia forces in southern Iraq and nuclear bunker buster bombs to destroy Natanz and Esfahan in Iran. There are 300,000 immediate civilian casualties caused by the blast and radiation and 750,000 cases of radiation poisoning in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Northern India.<br />
11. All Oil production in Iraq and Iran stops for 6-9 months [25% of world oil production]. All Middle-East Oil shipments through the Straights of Hormuz are stopped [20% of world oil production]. All middle-eastern countries together impose a total Oil Embargo on supplies to the US and Israel. Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina join in the Oil Embargo. Gasoline and Heating Fuel-oil prices rise to $10.00 per gallon, Natural Gas prices rise to $5.00 per CCF and gasoline rationing is imposed. Energy intensive industries shut down. Frequent major blackouts occur crippling the server farms that power the Internet. The US economy suffers a meltdown.<br />
12. Iran abrogates the Non-Proliferation Treaty and reprocesses Plutonium from their research reactors to produce 1-2 nuclear bombs which are used to destroy Tel Aviv. Israel responds with their own nuclear bombs destroying Tehran.<br />
13. A general war of all Islam vs. the US and Israel ensues. All US bases in the middle-east are attacked causing 50,000-75,000 US casualties before the US forces can escape. Israel is invaded from all sides by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Lebanon and the Palestinian Territories. The US and Israel are branded by the world as the &#8220;Axis of Evil&#8221;.</p>
<p>Imagine a world where the US is reviled by every other nation for the unforgivable damage we have done to innocent civilians. Where the US is under a Permanent Oil Embargo by all OPEC member states. Where Canada, Mexico and South America join Europe and Asia to ban all trade with the US and evict all US Military bases from their soil. Where all US citizens with any connection to the Bush Administration are under indictment by The Hague and are put on a No-Fly List banning them from from travel outside the US. Where all US multi-national corporations are boycotted or banned by the rest of the world or are forced to split and change their names to avoid anti-US sentiment.</p>
<p>All this and more can happen if Bush decides to Nuke Iran.</p>
<p>Bush is the Decider. He makes the Decisions and the rest of us have to live with the consequences. Bush&#8217;s Decisions about the Middle-East have been uniformly bad. Some of them have been worse than bad; they have crossed the line into the zone of Criminal Negligence and Suicidal Stupidity.</p>
<p>The worst Decision Bush has made in his two terms as President has been to insist that the use of Nuclear Bunker Buster bombs remain in the Pentagon&#8217;s planning for dealing with Iran.</p>
<p>Iran may be telling the truth or Iran may be lying when they say that they are only trying to enrich Uranium for nuclear power. If Iran is telling the truth and their goal is just nuclear power, then using a Nuke against Iran will guarantee that Iran will go for The Bomb in self defense. If Iran is lying then using a Nuke against Iran will only delay Iran getting The Bomb by one or two years and will guarantee that they will attempt to use it against the US or Israel.</p>
<p>The US B61-11 Nuclear Bunker Buster bomb is only able to penetrate hard rock to a depth of 10-20 feet before it detonates. At 20ft penetration and maximum yield, the B61-11 can only destroy a facility that is buried less than 600ft below ground. Blast forces can be blocked by simple inexpensive materials like a 100ft thick layer of gravel or bags of sand or granulated salt. The limitations of the B61-11 have been known for years and any Iranian weapons facility will have been built with those limits in mind.</p>
<p>If Iran is actually trying to build a Nuclear Bomb, they will probably have done what Iraq and Pakistan did by building a secret second facility buried deep under ground under the publicly visible facilities at Natanz and Esfahan.</p>
<p>The Natanz facility in Iran is known to have a double roof of thick reinforced concrete with 50-75ft of gravel between the concrete layers. The roof is sufficient to protect against any non-nuclear bunker buster (even the US air forces MOAB bomb). Natanz could probably also survive a low yield Nuclear Bunker Buster bomb.</p>
<p>If the US actually used the B61-11 bomb in Iran against the Natanz or Esfahan facilities more than 500,000 civilian deaths could be expected in iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.</p>
<p>The short term concequence of the US starting a war with a Nuclear First Strike will be<br />
Bush/Cheney&#8217;s Impeachment and Trial for Treason. The long term concequence will be the meltdown of the US economy and a world wide depression that would probably last a decade or more. The final concequence will be massive nuclear proliferation by every country capable of developing nuclear weapons resulting in an eventual all-out Nuclear War.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1980875', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1824839</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to get the truth in my head. We went to war with Iraq for a lie. We want to continue war in Iraq because we are profiting.We went to war with Iraq and it will allow the United States to be in control of the last supply of oil. We may go to war with Iran and that will, in most expert opinions lead to an all out nuclear war. My question ? Why is every American and citizen of the world NOT ON THE STREET DEMANDING THE RESIGNATION OF BUSH AND CHENEY NOW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to get the truth in my head. We went to war with Iraq for a lie. We want to continue war in Iraq because we are profiting.We went to war with Iraq and it will allow the United States to be in control of the last supply of oil. We may go to war with Iran and that will, in most expert opinions lead to an all out nuclear war. My question ? Why is every American and citizen of the world NOT ON THE STREET DEMANDING THE RESIGNATION OF BUSH AND CHENEY NOW?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1824839', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Iran helping Insurgents - Debate Politics Forums</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1727713</link>
		<dc:creator>Iran helping Insurgents - Debate Politics Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the administration&#039;s former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs.   Think Progress » Norquist: Bushâ€™s Advisers Telling Him â€˜Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How ... For example, Richard Perle, a former Bush administration official, has said, “I have very little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the administration&#8217;s former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs.   Think Progress » Norquist: Bushâ€™s Advisers Telling Him â€˜Invade Iran. Then Everyone Will See How &#8230; For example, Richard Perle, a former Bush administration official, has said, “I have very little [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1727713', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jud</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1695878</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I say nukem&#039; back to the stone age ! all of em !&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I say nukem&#8217; back to the stone age ! all of em !</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1695878', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hobojo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1688772</link>
		<dc:creator>hobojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NORQUIST-this chicken sh*t should be drowned in bathtub filled with horse piszz they are all greedy cowards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NORQUIST-this chicken sh*t should be drowned in bathtub filled with horse piszz they are all greedy cowards.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1688772', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hobojo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1688725</link>
		<dc:creator>hobojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have about said it all the selected moron has never ceased to amaze me with his stupidty.If he has one thriving brain cell left in his ugly mug he won&#039;t do another cowardly air strike on Iran and kill thousands of innocent people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have about said it all the selected moron has never ceased to amaze me with his stupidty.If he has one thriving brain cell left in his ugly mug he won&#8217;t do another cowardly air strike on Iran and kill thousands of innocent people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1688725', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: creasybear</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1684551</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#214: Why spend so much energy smashing a fly?
Comment by Ernie Oporto &lt;/em&gt;

Oh, I thought Iraq was also a gnat. &lt;em&gt;Didn&#039;t morons like you tell us the war would take about 2 months? &lt;/em&gt;So, Iran is now your fly, and you really want to go through the trouble of nuking this fly for Israel. Hmmm, maybe you should know what the entire Arab world is thinking:

The Arabs really fervently pray America is dumb enough to ever attack Iran, and I assure you that this will be the final war in that region for Israel and America. There&#039;s been a leak that there&#039;s been secret meetings btn the Syrians (Who know they are next), and Iranians, and other unmentioned four Arab countries, with the Russian and Chinese. 
Do, you really think we&#039;d just walk away after dropping a bomb on their land. No. Only a dolt like you think it would be that simple.
Killing people in a country that never attacked you was never simple. I hope Bush isn&#039;t as really dumb as you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>#214: Why spend so much energy smashing a fly?<br />
Comment by Ernie Oporto </em></p>
<p>Oh, I thought Iraq was also a gnat. <em>Didn&#8217;t morons like you tell us the war would take about 2 months? </em>So, Iran is now your fly, and you really want to go through the trouble of nuking this fly for Israel. Hmmm, maybe you should know what the entire Arab world is thinking:</p>
<p>The Arabs really fervently pray America is dumb enough to ever attack Iran, and I assure you that this will be the final war in that region for Israel and America. There&#8217;s been a leak that there&#8217;s been secret meetings btn the Syrians (Who know they are next), and Iranians, and other unmentioned four Arab countries, with the Russian and Chinese.<br />
Do, you really think we&#8217;d just walk away after dropping a bomb on their land. No. Only a dolt like you think it would be that simple.<br />
Killing people in a country that never attacked you was never simple. I hope Bush isn&#8217;t as really dumb as you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1684551', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jt</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1684202</link>
		<dc:creator>jt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS IS NOT ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS...THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL.  THIS IS ABOUT THE ILLITERATI...THE WESTERN CENTRAL BANKERS...THE FED...THE ELITISTS...THE FIAT CURRENCY THIEVES..THIS IS ABOUT CONTINUATION OF DOLLAR HEGEMONY!!!

This is about the Central Banker elitists...the Fed...the &quot;Illuminati&quot;...the OneWorldGovt supremacists...trying to maintain their seat of power by their controlling of almost all govts of the world thru the printing press...no, not Gutenberg&#039;s...we&#039;re talking GREEN ink...FRNs.  Those who don&#039;t understand this just don&#039;t understand.  This is not about Bush...this is not about Republicans or Democrats.  This is not about the people of the US or our safety.  This is pure and simple about maintaining the status quo of the fiat currency system and the subjugation of the American people and the people of all Western societies under the thumb of the banking elitists.  Nothing more...nothing less.

The Federal Reserve Bank MUST BE SHUT DOWN!!!...without that, none of this will stop.  They and their fellow elitist CBs will continue to fund wars...BOTH SIDES...until what remains of a free and proud people...who once were willing to die for their freedoms...once again stand up and demand the have their country returned to them...and the power to make money...REAL money...based on gold/silver...is returned to the representatives of the people...the Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS IS NOT ABOUT NUCLEAR WEAPONS&#8230;THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL.  THIS IS ABOUT THE ILLITERATI&#8230;THE WESTERN CENTRAL BANKERS&#8230;THE FED&#8230;THE ELITISTS&#8230;THE FIAT CURRENCY THIEVES..THIS IS ABOUT CONTINUATION OF DOLLAR HEGEMONY!!!</p>
<p>This is about the Central Banker elitists&#8230;the Fed&#8230;the &#8220;Illuminati&#8221;&#8230;the OneWorldGovt supremacists&#8230;trying to maintain their seat of power by their controlling of almost all govts of the world thru the printing press&#8230;no, not Gutenberg&#8217;s&#8230;we&#8217;re talking GREEN ink&#8230;FRNs.  Those who don&#8217;t understand this just don&#8217;t understand.  This is not about Bush&#8230;this is not about Republicans or Democrats.  This is not about the people of the US or our safety.  This is pure and simple about maintaining the status quo of the fiat currency system and the subjugation of the American people and the people of all Western societies under the thumb of the banking elitists.  Nothing more&#8230;nothing less.</p>
<p>The Federal Reserve Bank MUST BE SHUT DOWN!!!&#8230;without that, none of this will stop.  They and their fellow elitist CBs will continue to fund wars&#8230;BOTH SIDES&#8230;until what remains of a free and proud people&#8230;who once were willing to die for their freedoms&#8230;once again stand up and demand the have their country returned to them&#8230;and the power to make money&#8230;REAL money&#8230;based on gold/silver&#8230;is returned to the representatives of the people&#8230;the Congress.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1684202', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ross Dudnick</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1683898</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Dudnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has it not been said in the past, that if there were an all out war that Bush could cancel the elections and declare himself our president/comander in chief/king george/emperor?  I truly believe that this is what he is up to.  I listen to Air America, and they have agreed that this could happen under certain circumstances.  Oh yea, marshal law too.  I mean just look at the weak presidential candidates they are running out there.  Be aware people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it not been said in the past, that if there were an all out war that Bush could cancel the elections and declare himself our president/comander in chief/king george/emperor?  I truly believe that this is what he is up to.  I listen to Air America, and they have agreed that this could happen under certain circumstances.  Oh yea, marshal law too.  I mean just look at the weak presidential candidates they are running out there.  Be aware people.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1683898', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kaye</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1683769</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Bush torpedoes Iran and then Iran torpedoes our economy.  Smart, real smart.  Will it ever end?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bush torpedoes Iran and then Iran torpedoes our economy.  Smart, real smart.  Will it ever end?!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1683769', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: null</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1683631</link>
		<dc:creator>null</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhh.......................I am so depressed about this whole Iraq, Iran--NUCLEAR thing!  We are so undone by hubris!!  How can humankind be so unthinking and stupid?  Maybe you had better pass me the Kool Aid!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhh&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I am so depressed about this whole Iraq, Iran&#8211;NUCLEAR thing!  We are so undone by hubris!!  How can humankind be so unthinking and stupid?  Maybe you had better pass me the Kool Aid!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1683631', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Stewart</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1683417</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE Americans! Do not let this continue. Stand up! Organise! Fight! 

The world is counting on you to save us from these monsters and their puppet. Time is running out.

YOU must do it. This does not mean making comments at a newpaper article. You have the power to KILL THESE WARMONGERS, not that I&#039;m suggesting you should. 
They can&#039;t be that hard to find. Do some research. Take a vacation. Hunt these white-collar avaricious genocidal killers down and stop them. The world might not find out your name, but everyone will be thankful for your actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE Americans! Do not let this continue. Stand up! Organise! Fight! </p>
<p>The world is counting on you to save us from these monsters and their puppet. Time is running out.</p>
<p>YOU must do it. This does not mean making comments at a newpaper article. You have the power to KILL THESE WARMONGERS, not that I&#8217;m suggesting you should.<br />
They can&#8217;t be that hard to find. Do some research. Take a vacation. Hunt these white-collar avaricious genocidal killers down and stop them. The world might not find out your name, but everyone will be thankful for your actions.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1683417', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: daron shields</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1683328</link>
		<dc:creator>daron shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s time it&#039;s time it&#039;s time to eliminate that evil pair cheney and bush</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s time it&#8217;s time it&#8217;s time to eliminate that evil pair cheney and bush<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1683328', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ronald Fleming</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1682710</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald Fleming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American people empeached former president Richard Nixon for far less damage to the United States credibility than George W. Bush is presently doing, yet Bush is still in office creating more mayhem that seems to have no control.
  The United States of America is the greatest and most powerful nation on earth today and I cannot understand how American&#039;s can sit by and do nothing while this present administration drags the country down the economic and politic sewer which will end in disaster and ruination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American people empeached former president Richard Nixon for far less damage to the United States credibility than George W. Bush is presently doing, yet Bush is still in office creating more mayhem that seems to have no control.<br />
  The United States of America is the greatest and most powerful nation on earth today and I cannot understand how American&#8217;s can sit by and do nothing while this present administration drags the country down the economic and politic sewer which will end in disaster and ruination.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1682710', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ernie Oporto</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1682522</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernie Oporto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 03:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@creasybear
You say cowardly, I say not worth too much more of our time.  Why spend so much energy smashing a fly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@creasybear<br />
You say cowardly, I say not worth too much more of our time.  Why spend so much energy smashing a fly?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1682522', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Archangel</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1681902</link>
		<dc:creator>Archangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he is stupid enough to invade Iran, because he doesn&#039;t realize how stupid all his warmongering has been, to date.

This is the &quot;Christian&quot; administration? How ironic.

Does Jerry Falwell think that Christ would initiate a preemptive strike?

Start a war with Iran and China/Russia will just land on either shore and take the hell over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he is stupid enough to invade Iran, because he doesn&#8217;t realize how stupid all his warmongering has been, to date.</p>
<p>This is the &#8220;Christian&#8221; administration? How ironic.</p>
<p>Does Jerry Falwell think that Christ would initiate a preemptive strike?</p>
<p>Start a war with Iran and China/Russia will just land on either shore and take the hell over.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1681902', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle_Ho</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1681530</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle_Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 00:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>withlovefromcanada; don&#039;t blame me, I voted for Kerry- I even voted for McGovern back in &#039;72.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>withlovefromcanada; don&#8217;t blame me, I voted for Kerry- I even voted for McGovern back in &#8216;72.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1681530', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sansri88</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1681473</link>
		<dc:creator>sansri88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>withlovefromcanada--hows the school system up there? and whats teh weather like nowadays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>withlovefromcanada&#8211;hows the school system up there? and whats teh weather like nowadays?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1681473', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sidney</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1681416</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 23:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
Did anyone think Isreal&#039;s reaction to two soldiers being kidnapped was a bit overkill? (with real killing!). I kinda thought it was a direct provocation to get Iran and Syria involved and thus justifying an American attack that would nicely sort out Isreal&#039;s enemies. 

Of course Iran and Syria didn&#039;t get involved so the problem remains. 


America has lost the high ground now and that&#039;s sad. I lost money betting (honestly, at a bookies) that you wouldn&#039;t re-elect the brainless chimp, but you did. 

Impeach him and his cronies ASAP before he can start this damn war. It affect all of us in allied countries

Oh, and no plane hit the pentagon on 9/11. Look to Isreal for the resources and commitment needed to pull that one off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone think Isreal&#8217;s reaction to two soldiers being kidnapped was a bit overkill? (with real killing!). I kinda thought it was a direct provocation to get Iran and Syria involved and thus justifying an American attack that would nicely sort out Isreal&#8217;s enemies. </p>
<p>Of course Iran and Syria didn&#8217;t get involved so the problem remains. </p>
<p>America has lost the high ground now and that&#8217;s sad. I lost money betting (honestly, at a bookies) that you wouldn&#8217;t re-elect the brainless chimp, but you did. </p>
<p>Impeach him and his cronies ASAP before he can start this damn war. It affect all of us in allied countries</p>
<p>Oh, and no plane hit the pentagon on 9/11. Look to Isreal for the resources and commitment needed to pull that one off.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1681416', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tom baker</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/07/unger-article/comment-page-5/#comment-1680963</link>
		<dc:creator>tom baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>200 - David, I hope you get to be right there on top of the first tank to roll across the border. Coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>200 &#8211; David, I hope you get to be right there on top of the first tank to roll across the border. Coward.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1680963', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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