America, this is your health care system:
By on Feb 9th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
America, this is your health care system:
“A paraplegic man wearing a soiled hospital gown and a broken colostomy bag was found crawling in a gutter in skid row in Los Angeles on Thursday after allegedly being dumped in the street by a Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center van, police said. The incident, witnessed by more than two dozen people, was described by police as a particularly outrageous case of ‘homeless dumping’ that has plagued the downtown area.”
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If this person is an Iraq veteran I am sure you peoiple here will applaude this maneuver.
My opinion?
If the person isn`t a vet, why even stop when you dump?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pmWhy not just go the speed limit, open the back or side van door, and …. bombs away!!
Oh my god, that makes me feel faint.
Isn’t that a crime?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:23 pmWelcome to America! Even Iraq had a socialized healthcare system before we bombed the country back into the Stone Age for no reason. Here in the United States where we tout the notion that we’re a top, leading nation -number 1- disadvantaged people are treated like animals and recieve no health care at all, if they don’t have thier own insurance. The veterans who come back from fighting this insane war are left to fend for themselves. Pensions have been cut, VA funding has been cut, everything- has been cut or done away with, entirely. It really is a sin that this government that loves to shovel money on crony business and friendly corporations, neglects the people.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:24 pmMy God, our country has lost it’s heart and mind. What on earth will it take for it to wake up? It’s unbelievable. 20 years ago people wouldn’t even have imagined this was possible. It is time to recognize that our people are lost and tumbling into some warp hole. We are seeing the destruction of a society. People don’t seem to be grounded in reality …..s if everything is must a video game, text message, or tv show. As if things are removed from some sort of direct living experience. People don’t feel it seems…..
February 9th, 2007 at 10:27 pmI re-read my comment and it is pretty strong. But….I have to say, in my view, it’s this bad.
reminds me of the condition that some of the clients come home in: total mess, and rushed out of the hospital or rehab center….
i “nice” horror story like this should wake people up, unless you have serious mental health issues like der repub
February 9th, 2007 at 10:27 pmComment by der republikan gunntterbund
Sick f*ck.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:29 pmLiberal in New Mexico. I hear you. Your comment: “It really is a sin that this government that loves to shovel money on crony business and friendly corporations, neglects the people.”
People have forgotten that the government in America IS the people. It is a shame that we even talk about whether our government “neglects” us or does not neglect us. It puts the “government” above us….seperate. We need to remember that WE THE PEOPLE are the government. We have people to represent our needs in a town called Washington. The media has created a sort of Hollywood government that intimidates the ordinary American…fancy suits, cars, dinners, events….all “as seen on TV”. It is not the people that are neglecting the people, but small group of criminal radicals that has taken over the controls …out of the hands of us, the true government.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:33 pmAnd it was a Christian Van. Republicans have no respect for the elderly or vets. If you want to know what’s going to happen to the Iraqi vets in a Republican world, here’s your answer!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWell, let’s just thank God we don’t have socialized medicine. Think of how much worse it would be!
</snark>
February 9th, 2007 at 10:36 pmHmm, I was going to leave a comment until I notice that it was one of our vehicles that dropped this guy off. Come on TEAM, lets get some news that we can bash the libs with. We’re losing this battle here.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:38 pmIf you want to know what’s going to happen to the Iraqi vets in a Republican world, here’s your answer!
— seny
They are already practically booting them to the streets, jobless.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:39 pm“Well, let’s just thank God we don’t have socialized medicine. Think of how much worse it would be!”
OK, I’ll bite. just how much worse could it be? Downtown LA is about like Bagdad, only worse.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:43 pmYes Spudge Boy….I agree. The media is a big part of this. It’s like putting a virus in the drinking water and everyone gets sick. The warped ones have the megaphone and blast it out to millions. But it’s more than that. We as a people have been in this fantasy land just about from about the time Disneyland opened. ( well not exactly …probably maybe before this) We have been living on air in this country….beliefs such as: “we’re no. 1 ( better than others) ” “shoot first and think later ( brute force is good) ” I look at the Marlborough Man now and I want to puke. I used to find him attractive in an American “tough guy sort of way”
February 9th, 2007 at 10:45 pm( leaving out the smoking issue for a minute) when I was much youngher. It’s as if the bill for this country’s arrogance and self centeredness is coming due. For real. We are an addictied and Narcissistic Nation. When addicts hit bottom it ain’t pretty. What is it we have to face? We aren’t number 1 and never were. It was a fantasy. All people are equal and valuable. 2 Money and Beauty don’t cut it…it’s a shallow petty vulgar American dream ( Anna Nicole bought into it and it didn’t deliever did it. ) 3. The world is shrinking and the cowboy’s range with it. 4. Brute strength will not save us……we have become a very two dimensional comic book people. ….Well……I’ll stop….but boy could I go on.
Well said, s.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThe top 0.1% need more weath. They’ll fix everything, lol.
Go Team Terror.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:58 pmhttp://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=4969&IssueNum=191
GO KUCINICH GO!!!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:03 pmZooey…..a bonnie eve to ya.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pm#2
February 9th, 2007 at 11:05 pmMaking charges like that proves only one thing: You are one twisted jerk!
#6 s
February 9th, 2007 at 11:08 pmI don’t think your comment is too strong — I agree with you — we are slipping into a society we soon may not recognize as America.
Zooey…..a bonnie eve to ya.
Comment by s
Good evening, s. Doing well? Other than the obvious, of course.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pmRPFP, wouldn’t a true libertarian agree?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:13 pmMarie sez:
Puts me in mind of this excerpt from Milton Mayer’s They Thought They Were Free.
Worth a read. Pretty chilling how closely history is repeating itself.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:14 pmYes Zooey, thank you. :)
February 9th, 2007 at 11:19 pmLeadership affects a society from the top down…
…we have become a truly selfish, inhumane society under the Bushites…
…right wing, inbred, Bushite Repulsivescum connedselfservative demons…
…have possessed the soul of our nation…
…we are adrift, under an evil spell…
…the Bushites are our enemy…
INVESTIGATE
February 9th, 2007 at 11:19 pmIMPEACH
INCARCERATE
IMPOUND
That excerpt should be shared widely TripMaster.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:21 pm#25 TMM
February 9th, 2007 at 11:30 pmChilling – that is an understatement. Thanks for the link.
It makes me nauseous to see the similarity in America today under this dictatorial regime of pseudo-christianist fascists.
I agree with s, TMM.
Chilling…
February 9th, 2007 at 11:30 pm#25
February 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pmtrip master,
my god, yes, i read the book for a 20thcentury european hist. class many a moon ago; that is what the U.S. resembles in many respects
As an earlier poster said, it happens all the time in Los Angeles. And after the initial PR brouhaha cools down, the killer hospitals resume their sordid practices. Unless and until Hospital Administrators AND van drivers are BOTH arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit attempted murder, the practice will escalate. In America today, the vilest most sordid tendencies are growing the fastest.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:40 pmThis is a bit wild but is pretty passionate and that is good to see. Perhaps people are starting to move ….it has a 60s feel.
Video: Shrub
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/videos
February 9th, 2007 at 11:42 pmre: #33 the link doesn’t seem to work terribly well. The video “Shrub” is at AfterDowningStreet.org
February 9th, 2007 at 11:45 pmWhen my two friends and I saw those bricks of $100 bills, we knew we had an opportunity. We knew that you only get so many chances, and you have to make a decision whether you want to take the plunge. There are moral issues, you know. So we took a few bricks each. And each one had almost half a million in it. Then we went AWOL.
The war hadn’t been going on very long, but we knew it was going to get ugly and real bloody. So we took the bricks and then knew we had to disappear. One of my buddies had the resources for us to use a military plane to reach the outlying area’s. From there we had to hide our tracks. We knew that they would charge us for desertion. So we knew the path we had to take. Now that I look back at it all, I see that nobody was following us. They were too busy covering their own tracks.
We live in a nice place now. We watch each others backs and are the best of friends. There have been no threats or discoveries, but we keep an eye out. You just never know. We have enough to live like Kings for the rest of our lives. I won’t tell you where we live but it is nice. Far from the blood and horror. Far from the police states that the former free countries are turning to. We are free now.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pmThis was happening in LA back in the early 80’s too. You’d hear something about it and then nothing. It’s eerie to see it still happening after all these years.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:50 pmThis immoral pathetic greed began in the 80’s during the Reagan administration. Before Reagan, profiteering from health care was not done, considered immoral for the most part. But when Reagan came in that ‘rule’ changed. Now look how far our country has degenerated…there are no words to discribe this hideous way we now treat others. And I say ‘we’ as we are not in the streets yet trying to change this disgrace.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:57 pmWe disperately need universal health care. To the selfish that is out of the question. My parents are part of the ’selfish’ being the staunch republicans they are and it is so hard to understand.
best healthcare in the world
February 10th, 2007 at 12:02 am#35.. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry
February 10th, 2007 at 12:11 am35 – tell us more….
February 10th, 2007 at 12:19 amComment by not a hero — February 9, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
You sir, are FULL of SHIT!
You are the biggest purveyor of ripe bullshit I have seen on this site in quite a long time.
Next to ForTruth and unbelievable and most people on that one bitch Rachels list.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:37 amSpeak English bullshit or shut up, moron.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:46 amSpeak English bullshit or shut up, moron.
Comment by JPark
it’s rachel again, trying to pretend its not rachel, the batsh*t crazy troll
February 10th, 2007 at 12:57 am“Oh my god, that makes me feel faint.
Isn’t that a crime?
Comment by Zooey — February 9, 2007 @ 10:23 pm”
zooey, you liberal kook, maybe they should dump these people off at your house?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:01 amWayne, Rachel is Santo? I have never seen anybody mangle the English language like Santo!
February 10th, 2007 at 1:04 amLooks like Rachel is now Michael, too.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:05 amLooks like Rachel is now Michael, too.
Comment by JPark
yeah, nameswitching as always.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:09 amBusy as a cat trying to cover crap on a marble floor. =D
I always did hate that unending scritch, scritch, scritch sound.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:12 amWayne, Rachel is Santo?
yeah, it let is slip in a thread the other day.
multiple personality disorder in overdrive, I would diagnose haha
February 10th, 2007 at 1:13 amStill waiting for you liberals to comment on William Arkin?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:24 amStill waiting for you liberals to comment on William Arkin?
—– michael
Really slow huh,michael?
look in the “Senate staffer picks fight with Iraq vets” thread for my condemnation of Arkin’s post.
Now that link you had promised before, liar?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:29 amPlus your MOS when you left the service, since you claimed to be a vet.
Comment by Lee
I would go way more back in time. I know, this maybe seem unrelated but think about it: The industrial revolution. Hordes of peasants and farmers going into the cities looking for a better income and working in factories with the worse working conditions in history (other than slavery). No wonder why Marx was inspired by this terrible sight in his famous book. After the industrial revolution it was more important to produce goods and stuff for people who could afford it, than people itself. Now, yeah, since the beginning of the 80´s in the past century, there was the current economical trend to privatize everything, that nothing interfers in the path of trade: no governments, institutions, laws, rights, etc. Everything can be stepped on if it gets in the way of money.
The signs are very clear. If a corporation needs to fire hundreds of workers in the US to move the factory to Bangladesh and use kids with no fingers in order to produce their stuff, they will do it. Unions will protest, but unions will be labeled as anti-progress, cuz they seem to attack the very heart of free trade, which means that the corporation can do as it wants, cuz is the symbol of freedom.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:38 ammichael posts only late at night because it’s when mom & dad are sleeping and he can finally slip out of the basement, unnoticed.
If there is anyone in this thread for whom the topic hits close to home, that is him.
On topic,
God forbid the US should get universal health care -we don’t want another expensive entitlement program. Freeloaders everywhere might feel entitled to sound medical treatment and a good health. Can you imagine? Average folk in good health!? The US would become almost like a First World country. Perish the thought!!
/sarcasm off
February 10th, 2007 at 1:47 am” Really slow huh,michael?
look in the “Senate staffer picks fight with Iraq vets†thread for my condemnation of Arkin’s post.
Now that link you had promised before, liar?
Plus your MOS when you left the service, since you claimed to be a vet.
Comment by Wayne — February 10, 2007 @ 1:29 am”
Went back and read your non-answer. How about explaining to us here your condemnation?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:48 am“God forbid the US should get universal health care -we don’t want another expensive entitlement program. Freeloaders everywhere might feel entitled to sound medical treatment and a good health. Can you imagine? Average folk in good health!? The US would become almost like a First World country. Perish the thought!”
You talk about someone who should be monitored by mom and dad! Is the cost for this going to come from………….?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:51 amHow about explaining to us here your condemnation?
Comment by michael — February 10, 2007 @ 1:48 am
“us”, Keemosabee?
Leave the rest of us out of your delusions.
Or do you usually refer to yourself in plural terms?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:53 amComment by Juan C
Yeah what we are seeing now is a strong comeback of the old west “Robber Baron” days, when corruption from comapnies, corporations and the government was totally rampant. Unions were neutered in the Reagan presidency, the trend for workers rights have gone downhill since.
Outsourcing is a real problem, not just factory jobs. Call Dell tech support, you get a person in india that barely speaks english and tries to troubleshoot your computer by a script. Terrible service.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:56 amAlmost all of the computer companies have outsourced at least part of their tech support out of the US
Went back and read your non-answer. How about explaining to us here your condemnation? —- michael
Either you’re lying again or your reading comprehension is very lacking.
try reading it again, slower this time…….
Now about that link proving your statement that only 30,000 were at the washington rally?
February 10th, 2007 at 2:03 amAlso your MOS, since you claimed to be a vet.
You do know your MOS, don’t you?
Hey, come on, michael is a real troll.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:06 amHe left his Arkin post in every thread to see if somebody picked it up. Stop feeding it.
Juan C
You are right…
But when you look through history has it ever been this bad here or anywhere:
‘A paraplegic man wearing a soiled hospital gown and a broken colostomy bag was found crawling in a gutter in skid row in Los Angeles’
Can it get any worse than this? If we can not take care of our own then it seems our sense of humanity is lost.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:07 amYou talk about someone who should be monitored by mom and dad!
Comment by michael — February 10, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Says the incontinent troll who has posted the same rubbish in all the threads. Talk about needing supervision.
Why don’t you tell us what your MOS is? Wayne and I want to know.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:07 am**crickets chirping***
take you that long to remember your MOS?
February 10th, 2007 at 2:09 amStop feeding it.
— Juan C
Yeah, you’re right…
February 10th, 2007 at 2:13 am** putting down the troll whacking mallet….
;)
Can it get any worse than this? If we can not take care of our own then it seems our sense of humanity is lost.
Comment by Lee
Yes, it can. Women in Africa are getting abortions without anesthesia. Every 3 seconds somebody dies of hunger. 7 y/o thai prostitutes are being sold in the black market. Amazonas is being deployed by paper and pharma companies. Poor III world country families are having as many children as possible cuz they signify labor hands. Wal-Mart is getting their millions becuz of unlawful competition (dumping) and stuff manufactured in some guatemalan sweatshop.
This is happening in our planet, right now.
Money is more valuable than life, right now. Corporation interests are more valuable than our right to breath clean air or drink potable water.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:19 amIf this person is an Iraq veteran I am sure you peoiple here will applaude this maneuver.
My opinion?
If the person isn`t a vet, why even stop when you dump?
February 10th, 2007 at 2:37 amWhy not just go the speed limit, open the back or side van door, and …. bombs away!!
Well, let’s just thank God we don’t have socialized medicine. Think of how much worse it would be!
Sarcasm: So in the OFF position the button dial pegged out!
February 10th, 2007 at 2:41 amComment by der republikan gunntterbund
You are one seriously deranged sociopath.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:43 amWell, let’s just thank God we don’t have socialized medicine. Think of how much worse it would be!
Sarcasm: So in the OFF position the button dial pegged out!
Speaking of medicine, in order for me to give mouth to mouth recussitation, the person to be saved has to meet these criteria and it is very simple really.
1) They have to be white.
2) They have to be dying.
3) If your skin tone isn`t caucasian, you can forget it as far as I am concerned for you will lay there until Kingdom Come before I touch you.
4) An Israeli or an Israeli military component soldier without question, of course
February 10th, 2007 at 2:48 amWayne,
That is Rachel/Angie from GA/Santo/Joanie, etc, etc etc
No point in replying to it at all. Big waste of time and bandwidth….
February 10th, 2007 at 2:48 amupdate to my lifesaving measures guidelines.
ANY American military soldier. For they are our staunchest ally.
Thank God for America!
Israel says thank you America and we love you and we will fight and come to your side in your hour of need as you have done for us.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:51 amNo point in replying to it at all. Big waste of time and bandwidth….
Comment by Gregor Samsa —
Now now. Don`t try to exclude everyone because you cannot keep up with me in debate grasshopper.
I know you always feel left out because you are too timid to debate me after the 3 trouncings I have handed to you.
Really like handing you your ass for a hat.
Literally.
No more needs said.
Nuff said.
Who are these goons you equate me with?
February 10th, 2007 at 2:58 amGregor Samsa,
Yet another unfounded claim by the left wing. I believe in the old addage ” You are what you eat ”
In TP posters case this can be read ” You are what you read here at TP ”
No wonder you all look and smell like bullshit!
February 10th, 2007 at 3:35 amAnother shining example of ‘compassionate conservatism’ at work. Most people would not treat a dog this way. Disgusting.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:46 amYet another unfounded claim by the left wing. I believe in the old addage †You are what you eat â€
In TP posters case this can be read †You are what you read here at TP â€
No wonder you all look and smell like bullshit!
February 10th, 2007 at 6:07 amThe Administrators of this hospital need to be in prison. This is an example of where the system of corruption known as capitalism has taken us. This kind of behavior would be unimaginable in any other developed (and most under-develped) countires. This could just as well be you or I and I have read about poeple being dumped in the wrst areas that were not homeless. We can and must do better!
February 10th, 2007 at 7:06 amLooks like Rachel is now Michael, too.
Comment by JPark — February 10, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Gee, sounds like the name Michael is a pretty common name.
Like William-Ted-John etc.
If you don`t have one iota of proof, why not shut the fu(k up?
February 10th, 2007 at 7:12 amHey dickhead, the point is we don’t want things like this to happen to anybody. WAR vet (Iraq isn’t the only war with vets dumbass) or not a vet. C0cksucker.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
You’re such a f**king hypocrit. You who applauds the death of any Republican, who spews his venom against the Administration on a daily basis, suddenly has compassion? Yeah right! I bet you’d change your tune in a heartbeat if you found out that the poor bastard dumped in skid row voted for Bush twice and doesn’t believe global warming is man caused. Stop pretending you care about those who share his plight. This story is only useful to TP and it’s pet idiots because you believe a nationalized health care system would have prevented this.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:19 am20 WOL,
Yes that little cocksucker Fudge_Packer_Boy is an assbag. Just like the defective one the paraplegic was wearing.
Only twice as smelly.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:58 amLife in America with the Republic Party in charge.
But hey, they are building a new school in Iraq with our money right now!
-GSD
February 10th, 2007 at 8:35 amComment by Spudge_Boy — February 9, 2007 @ 10:26 pm to which 20WOL responded by February 10, 2007 @ 7:19 am
Wow, a little less than 8 hours to respond with baseless attacks. Yeah, it takes real guts to argue with someone who is sleeping (being he’s from the west coast, et al). But since your buddy’s not here to respond, I will:
February 10th, 2007 at 8:43 amYou who applauds the death of any Republican, who spews his venom against the Administration on a daily basis, suddenly has compassion?
Please link where Spudge has ever applauded the death of any Republican. As for the rest of your nonsensical sentence, of course we spew venom against this administration on a daily basis, because thousands of our soldiers died for many lies, and we want the rest of them home, safely, now (that’s called compassion, son)
I bet you’d change your tune in a heartbeat if you found out that the poor bastard dumped in skid row voted for Bush twice and doesn’t believe global warming is man caused
Again, Spudge isn’t here to defend (which basically was your purpose, eh?), but not one single person, politcal affiliation, race, or sex should ever be treated as such. Nice practice of Christianity there, eh 20?
This story is only useful to TP and it’s pet idiots because you believe a nationalized health care system would have prevented this.
No, this story is useful to show the need for greater compassion in this country regarding the poor, the elderly, the homeless, the sick. Something which is obviously you don’t have.
But hey, definelty show how tough you are on the internets by confronting a poster 8 hours later.
Can you say chickenhawk?
I knew you could
Reichwingnut solution to patient dumping: Send them all to Halliburton Concentration Camps and make them into soap.
Heil Chimpler!
February 10th, 2007 at 9:03 amOff topic:
MUNICH, Germany – Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the United States Saturday for the “almost uncontained” use of force in the world, and for encouraging other countries to acquire nuclear weapons.
In what his spokesman acknowledged were his harshest attacks on the U.S. since taking office in 2000, Putin also criticized U.S. plans for missile defense systems and NATO’s expansion.
Putin told a security forum attracting top officials that “we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations” and that “one state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way.
“This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law,” Putin told the gathering
February 10th, 2007 at 9:03 am#55 (Rachel, Michael, Whomever you are)….”the cost for this SHOULD be coming from the billions we are spending to destroy people in Iraq!”. That’s where the money SHOULD be coming from!
As for the state of the health care system in this country, it’s gone from bad to worse since Hillary (an attorney) began tamering with it back in Clinton’s administration. Her meddling in the health care of this country put it on a track of self-destruction. (Although liberal I am hardly a Hillary fan and, quite frankly, don’t trust her motives, her empty speeches, and her obviously “pro war” posture; after all, Hillary did vote “yes” (congressional abdication of power) to enable this war profiteering despot to advance HIS personal goals in Iraq.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:10 amThe Repuke trolls in here are sick, disgusting, inhuman psychotics. They are proff that the Religious Reich is morally bankrupt.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:11 amWhen it comes to healthcare, America is a third world nation.
This behavior would be appalling if I hadn’t become so used to it from the hypocritical Christianists…
February 10th, 2007 at 9:14 amTP, we love you guys, but really – delete the comments from the freaks – and start a registration system so you can ban them permanently.
Thanks
February 10th, 2007 at 9:17 amMichigan Republican Activist Charged with Rape in Cleveland
CLEVELAND (AP) — The chairman of a Michigan young Republicans group is accused of raping a 21-year-old woman while both were in Cleveland for a convention last July.
A grand jury in Cleveland returned a 17-count indictment Wednesday against 32-year-old Michael Flory, including charges of rape, kidnapping and aggravated burglary. Flory is chairman of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, an organization for members of the party between 18 and 40.
Sounds alot like the ‘moral’ types (Rachel, Vince, Santo et al) we get here
February 10th, 2007 at 9:26 amOf course at 445 billion dollar defense budget , who can afford anything !!..Spending 10-12 billions a month in Iraq is sucking everything else dry. The defense budget was 279 billions in 1999…mashroomed in ten years in large numbers…
If a war breaks up with Iran..the Americans will be asked to put more money on the table to keep it going on and to feed it.
This time we are in it alone. Tony Blair of England is in his way out..British Parliament in no rush to start another war…
Don’t expect a check from Israel….It is always the other way around. Meaning more billions of dollars for more conflicts and wars by the Neocons war party.
How many hospitals will 12 billion dollars build? ! that is just one month expense in Iraq…and we have been in this close to 47 months.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:39 ambecause you believe a nationalized health care system would have prevented this.
Comment by 20wordsorless — February 10, 2007 @ 7:19 am
Duh- Yea !
Comment by Fudge_Packer_Boy – You Suck Purple Shafted Arab Cock!! — February 10, 2007 @ 7:58 am
Have fun with your friend.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:41 amVladimir Putin just laid down the line saying that the US is seeking global dominance and that is causing instability.
I get the feeling Russia won’t just let the US attack Iran.
Now Russia could really fight back.
-GSD
February 10th, 2007 at 9:44 amWhats unusual about the BK members is how much they overlook all the disgusting elements of their own party and embrace and cover for them. They think Marxism is ‘leftist’ when Marx (who wasn’t) Marx, wrote Das Kapitalism. Marxism is not progressive, yet the BK’s will parrot that.
I really have no idea what the free republic site stands for anymore. Their posts are uninformed, highly biased, hypocritical, full of abusive language and terribly written. None, not one, of their so called ‘Articles’ are original or interesting (unless you like to read regurgitated pseudo-conservative bile)
Duh- Yea !
Comment by Fudge_Packer_Boy – You Suck Purple Shafted Arab Cock!! — February 10, 2007 @ 7:58 am
Heres one now, a child, who ignores the fact that it was George who held the Arabs hand and exchanged kisses.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:46 amDuh- Yea !
Comment by Fudge_Packer_Boy – You Suck Purple Shafted Arab Cock!! — February 10, 2007 @ 7:58 am
I would think it would be brown, but apparently you have experience with such matters. Guess I’ll have to take your word for it cause I have never seen such a thing.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:49 amI wouldn’t treat a dog like this, let alone a human being. Why didn’t this man at least have his clothing returned to him? Surely he must have been wearing some when he was brought into the hospital — and regardless of what condition it was in, it would have been better than just a hospital gown.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:00 amFor those not aware, this happens all the time in Los Angeles. There is a huge investigation going on right now. I am surprised they did this in the middle of the investigation.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 9, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
It’s sad. But, in a way, I’m not surprised. For over 20 years now small towns and cities have flooded large cities like LA and NY with their “problem patients” using a practive referred to “Greyhound Therapy.”
Greyhound is a reference to the bus company. In small towns and cities around the country you just unload your problem cases (those patients that are taking up too much time or money) by taking the patient down to the bus station. Then you buy a one-way ticket to LA or NY, etc. and then help the patient board the bus. The small towns benefit in 2 ways. They “get rid of” a problem patient and they save money in the long because it’s one less case to deal with.
Here’s a link:
http://www.wordspy.com/words/Greyhoundtherapy.asp
February 10th, 2007 at 10:09 amHealth Care “rationing” at it’s finest. We can thank Hillary for meddling in our health care system (an attorney tampering with medicine?) for the disintegration of it initially during her husband’s terms….which she botched abysmally, BTW. I’m wondering precisely what her forte and “draw” might be….she can’t speak to large crowds without sounding rote and angry – she botched the health care system at the time and then allowed Bush to come in with Big Pharma and monopolize it all because when she got through with it, it was seriously “broken”. I don’t believe that she can be trusted; besides, has anyone gotten a very clear picture of “who Hillary actually is”?? I know she was a dyed-in-the-wool Rethug back in the 70’s….and is definitely “pro war” in her personal philosophy….so would the “real Hillary” please stand up? Besides, when the Whitewater debacle is revisited along with the mysterious suicide of her lover/partner scrutinized, I doubt that she will hold up as a candidate. Too many skeletons in her closet/too fuzzy around the edges as to what Hillary really believes.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:19 amBut back to health care and the subject of this thread, I believe our system is severly compromised and the “rationing” we all feared and dreaded is clearly here. We should not be providing “free health care to illegal aliens” which is what we currently are doing and kicking our own indigent citizens out of our health care institutions. Something clearly is wrong with this scenario! Wasn’t there a thread last week about an illegal alien (aka “criminal” in this country according to our laws??) who is bringing suit about not being afforded “proper” health care while he/she was being held? How twisted is this?
February 10th, 2007 at 10:21 amAre “illegal aliens” now entitled to “proper health care” in this country as “criminals”??
February 10th, 2007 at 10:22 am#80
Comment by DRxJ
…we spew venom against this administration on a daily basis, because thousands of our soldiers died for many lies, and we want the rest of them home, safely, now (that’s called compassion, son)
You don’t give a rats ass about the soldiers. Casualties are only useful statistics to use in support of your constant attack on the Bush administration, as well as your investment into our defeat.
…Again, Spudge isn’t here to defend (which basically was your purpose, eh?), but not one single person, politcal affiliation, race, or sex should ever be treated as such. Nice practice of Christianity there, eh 20?
You completely missed the point asswipe. The regular posters here at TP are some of the most hate-filled and vicious people I’ve ever encountered. You (collectively) say the most cruel and insensitive things about everyone who has a different stance than you–without exception. I’m not going to waste my time documenting what your buddy Spudge, or even you have said in the past. How about you prove that he hasn’t applauded the death of a Republican. Pick a topic—Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, Walmart, Nixon’s death, Fords death, Ken Lay’s death, oil companies, conservatives, Christians, etc, and show me where you guys (including your buddy fudge) haven’t ripped and railed against anything you oppose. You’ve proved (collectively) many times over that you detest your fellow citizens on the right–even wishing harm upon them, and now you expect me to believe that you and spudge care about everyone? Ha! Sell that bologna to someone else, I’m not buying it son.
…But hey, definelty show how tough you are on the internets by confronting a poster 8 hours later.
Get a life moron. I have better things to do than sit in front of my computer and wait for TP to post an article. So I saw the article 8 hours later, big deal. Is that supposed to be significant or something? While you’re attempting to be a lion behind the keyboard today, I’ll be out getting some exercise, and visiting with family and friends—have a nice day.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:33 amEven zoo animals are treated with decency.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:33 amTP, we love you guys, but really – delete the comments from the freaks – and start a registration system so you can ban them permanently.
Thanks
Comment by unbelievable —
Looks like you’ll be posting somewhere else.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:35 am#96 Comment by veritas
funny, when I made th esame arguement, I was jumped all over and called several names that should not be used in polite company.
This is uncalled for.
Let’s take care of our citizens first. Then help everyone else.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:35 amMore and more I believe that we Americans will have to take to the streets, in the near future, in order to secure some basic human rights for our people that are appreciated and funded by all other industrialized countries in the world. Last week I saw Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) ask Secretary of the Treasury Paulson to defend some basic questions about the budget submitted by the Bush administration. Secretary Paulson couldn’t answers coherently any of the questions. He was obviously embaressed. Here’s a man who was making $50 million/year at Goldman Sachs unable to answer the following: 1. Why is the US the only industrialized country in the world without universal healthcare?, 2. In order to resolve any shortcomings in the Social Security System, why couldn’t we just eliminate the salary caps any make wealthy people pay the fixed amount into social security on their total income?, and 3. How is it even moral that the Bush administration is cutting aid to children, veterans benefits, and funding for medicad while at the same time cutting taxes for the richest Americans? The Secretary looked like a dear caught in the headlights of a car. His response was ” well you and I just disagree on these issues”! The best country in the world heh? Tell that bullshit to the paraplegic dumped on the street by a hospital or to the elderly unable to pay for healthcare or medications. We must as a people start to value our social needs more than we value a new weapons system. We must start to vote our own self-interests because the government we now have only represents the wealthy and business.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:54 amHow twisted is this?
Comment by veritas
I dont know. You should probably not give any service to illegal aliens…nevermind they work as hard as you will ever know after traveling through the desert and being harrased all the time.
What amazes me, veritas, is that when some public service go wrong, the first ones to be blamed are the poorest people. Why dont you blame your rich, fat, government and the 300 richest families in the US about this issue? It is so easy to blame illegals…right, cuz no one is going to defend them.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:58 amYou don’t give a rats ass about the soldiers.
Comment by 20wordsormore — February 10, 2007 @ 10:33 am
Yep, as I stated yesterday, my families’ donation of clothes and other supplies proves we don’t give a rats ass. Our constant prayers for all soldiers’ safe return home to be with family is another indication of our apathy.
I’ll say it again: chickenhawk
You completely missed the point asswipe. The regular posters here at TP are some of the most hate-filled and vicious people I’ve ever encountered
coming from mr. saint on a stick! If you want to argue about hate-filled and viciousness, it would help your cause if you didn’t start with attacks like asswipe or moron.
You (collectively) say the most cruel and insensitive things about everyone who has a different stance than you–without exception. I’m not going to waste my time documenting what your buddy Spudge, or even you have said in the past.
Translation: I can’t back my statement up with facts or links.
(side note: besides calling you a chickenhawk, what have I posted that is cruel and insensitive. Take your time)
Get a life moron. I have better things to do than sit in front of my computer and wait for TP to post an article.
and yet, here you are!
While you’re attempting to be a lion behind the keyboard today, I’ll be out getting some exercise, and visiting with family and friends—have a nice day.
Translation: I really can’t refute anything DRxJ posted, especially with facts, so I’ll terminate this discussion as only I can, by running away.
chickenhawk
NEXT!!
February 10th, 2007 at 10:59 amJuan C – I still believe in the rule of law in this country, don’t you? And, by definition, an “illegal alien” is simply that – totally ILLEGAL and a CRIMINAL by our standards of law. I am not speaking about “legal immigrants” who have gone through the proper channels to be here – I am speaking about the criminals who have sneaked into this country illegally. Please don’t try to muddy those waters because intelligent posters here definitely are aware of the difference. Why aren’t you, Juan, Juan, Juan?? BTW, isn’t your moniker Spanish?
February 10th, 2007 at 11:04 amHeard on another blog that the biggest roundup of illegal aliens is about to take place soon – was it in NY?
February 10th, 2007 at 11:06 am#101 Couldn’t agree with you more and anyone who believes that illegal aliens who, BTW, do not pay income taxes because they do not have a legitimate SSN (ahem!) and who have closed down Emergency Rooms in Texas because they fill them and don’t pay a dime of their bill (double ahem!)….are somehow “entitled” to something from this country???? Hello???? Anyone home in those dim-witted, addled, incoherent brains out there – these people are here “illegally”?? Would anyone attempt to venture a guess at how long any of us who entered a foreign country illegally would be allowed to stay with appropriate immigration papers? We’d either be tossed out immediately or sent back home pronto! That’s the way it is and that’s what we, the people, THE CITIZENRY (ahem…sorry illegals but you are not “us” by any stretch of your overly-activated imaginations…..
Why have immigration laws in the first place if they are a sham?
February 10th, 2007 at 11:09 amThomas Jefferson wrote (and for those illegals who may not know who he is, he’s an ExPresident and author of our Constitution (ahem))…..
One Who trades their liberties for the facade of “security” ends up with neither – liberty or security. This is precisely what we’ve done. We’ve given up our constitutional freedoms (or have had them usurped) in exchange for the lie about our security. Open borders = Security?? Not in my book! How absurd are these neocons? Time to get all of them and their demented thought processes out of the leadership of this country.
Open Borders = Contaminated Security
February 10th, 2007 at 11:12 amLooks like you’ll be posting somewhere else.
Comment by 20wordsorless — February 10, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Nope.
You won’t be chasing me away.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:14 am“TP, we love you guys, but really – delete the comments from the freaks – and start a registration system so you can ban them permanently.”
No, don’t do this. Then we would be just like the right wing sites. If only lefties could post here then it would be boring. Let them post as what they say is comical, and they don’t try to be. If you don’t like what they say, then don’t read that post.
I will not register with sites because I think the NSA and the Bush administration could be knocking at my door first when they come to take us all to their newly built camps. If you want freedom, then registration is not the answer.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:16 amI still believe in the rule of law in this country, don’t you?
Yeah, as long as it is applied to everybody, not just the lower classes. See, law is a terrific instrument to keep the upper classes in power. Example? Death penalty. How many rich guys have been put to death? Oh, rich guys dont murder or rape? Yeah, right. Perhaps Im not an intelligent poster, but I rather defend unjustice than law. There are laws against invasions and US is occupying a sovereign country. There are laws against murder and people still murder each other, US with the highest rates…so please, dont bring the “proper channels” to a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Health care service problems ARE NOT due to illegals. Do you agree with that?
BTW, isn’t your moniker Spanish?
Comment by veritas
Yes, yours is latin. So?
February 10th, 2007 at 11:17 am(ahem…sorry illegals but you are not “us†by any stretch of your overly-activated imaginations…..
Are you addressing me? Im not that important., but since my post you have been like this. It seems you have a serious issue with illegals. Do you think Im an illegal?
February 10th, 2007 at 11:19 am#107 We want the illegals here. Lord knows I wouldn’t want my kids in the fields picking crops, or making beds in Las Vegas.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:20 amOpen Borders = Contaminated Security
Comment by veritas
Now, you are just being xenophobic.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:21 amOops…sorry. Defend justice than law.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:26 amComment by Juan C
If I own a small business. And then I hire 9 friends. And I tell them that we are going to split the profits 10 ways and we all should be able to make a good living at about $100k each a year. THEN I let 1000 “illegals” into the company and that $100k gets watered down to $1K each …well now I just scewed my 9 friends who cannot make a decent living anymore.
From a numbers perspective it seems that it makes no sense to just shrug at unlimited immigration no matter what race the people are or where they come from. Over population is bad.
I read a while back that with certain types of infestations of insects in peoples lawns that all you have to do to get rid of them all is to simply add alot more and they starve each other out. (not to compare people to insects just trying to think of a real world example of over population == bad).
I really just dont understand why over population (aka illegals) is just shrugged at by many on this site. I even have had my posting deleted simply because I said univeral health care is not possible with unlimited population from unlimited immigration.
Maybe you have this figured out…. or you just dont care until it is too late?
February 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amComment by arches
Indeed.
Freedom of Speech and Truth serve a greater purpose that pays for itself in the long run.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:32 amzooey, you liberal kook, maybe they should dump these people off at your house?
Comment by michael
Yeah, that’s a great idea. I’ll get them what they need. Thanks.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:44 amMaybe you have this figured out…. or you just dont care until it is too late?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Lets see: Germany has 232 hab/km². Mexico has 55 hab/km². Argentina has 13.9 hab/km². Germany is a G-7 country. Mexico has half of its population in poverty. I dont find overpopulation being a problem at all for Germany.
Oh, and dont hire illegals, Gerald.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:44 amNo, don’t do this. Then we would be just like the right wing sites. If only lefties could post here then it would be boring.
Not at all… Rightwingers would register. The sane ones. You are an insane one. We don’t want you here.
Let them post as what they say is comical, and they don’t try to be. If you don’t like what they say, then don’t read that post.
It’s not that simple when you keep changing names every other post, and write 2o of them in a row.
I will not register with sites because I think the NSA and the Bush administration could be knocking at my door first when they come to take us all to their newly built camps.
Clearly you are paranoid, and not progressive…
If you want freedom, then registration is not the answer.
Comment by arches — February 10, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Rachel/Santo, you can pretend to be a liberal, you just can’t pull it off.
You don’t want registration because you won’t be able to posthere anymore.
Yet another reason to do it – Santo doesn’t want it.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amJustice and Law are mutually exclusive terms – Justice is generally used as the object of a preposition while Law is clearly a noun. What about that and the english language don’t you comprehend?
But thanks for playing (into our hands again!) !!
February 10th, 2007 at 11:59 am#115 – “define justice than law” – Is this supposed to be a sentence? Obviously, your lack of education is sadly parading here.
I believe that you may have meant (if you passed English in this country) Your use of the term “than” instead of “then” clearly indicates your uneducated status.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pmBravo….it’s Latin for “truth” – which clearly is something of which you know very little, Juan Troll C.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:02 pmBill illegal roundup with deportation coming …. it’s in the works.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pmOh, and dont hire illegals, Gerald.
Comment by Juan C
Land mass is on the messure… we are not packing eggs.
There is a limit on money, health care, food, schools, jobs, doctors, nurses, on and on and on.
A system that is quickly thrown out of balance will break. That is what global warming is all about.
I would think that helping other countries to build their OWN sustainable systems would work far better than throwing Americas out of balance.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI believe that you may have meant (if you passed English in this country) Your use of the term “than†instead of “then†clearly indicates your uneducated status.
Comment by veritas
It’s a fact of life: whenever criticizing someone’s use of spelling, grammar, or puntuation, the “teacher” invariably makes a mistake. Let’s see if Veritas can spot his own mistake.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmVeritas, I said:
Defend justice than law.
Comment by Juan C
Where do you see define? I said: I rather defend justice than law.
What about that and the english language don’t you comprehend?
Comment by veritas
Dont worry about me.
Juan Troll C.
Whatever.
When you calm down, maybe you can answer this part of my post:
There are laws against invasions and US is occupying a sovereign country. There are laws against murder and people still murder each other, US with the highest rates…so please, dont bring the “proper channels†to a discussion that has nothing to do with it. Health care service problems ARE NOT due to illegals. Do you agree with that?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pmBravo….it’s Latin for “truthâ€
Hey, in vino, Veritas?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWow, veritas -having a hissy fit, aren’t we?
So anyone with a Spanish first name is an illegal alien, and stupid?
I liked your “What about that and the english language don’t you comprehend?” Nice touch.
By the way, “English” needs to be capitalised. Oh, and you should show Juan a taste of your superior intellect. Debate him in Spanish.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI would think that helping other countries to build their OWN sustainable systems would work far better than throwing Americas out of balance.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Now, Gerald, I am not advocating hordes of illegals rushing into the US. These people left their homes and their families to provide them a better life. I understand the concern of US citizens but what US citizens should do, as I do in my own country is to ask the government to prevent this things from happening attacking the causes, not the consequences. I just dont understand why it is always easier for the average citizen to blame the poor people instead of blaming the government. NOw, Gerald, do you think that the health service issue is an illegal-caused problem? Come on, you are throwing billions each day in that clumsy occupation but illegals are to be blamed…I mean, really, come on.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:21 pmNo I think politics being used in the place of technology is the issue with our medical state. If we pushed politics to the side and look for the most efficient way to handle th health care load with technology AND fair capitalism then the problem would be solved… UNLESS 10s of millions of illegals overload the system.
You said to attack the cause. The cause appears to be that the mexicans need to come to America to have a decent life. Otherwise they would just stay home…. sounds like to me they need some help making their OWN sustainable system. But instead they just come here.
If we could stop politicing EVERYTHING and just get some technocrats to solve these issues from a technical perspective then we could share that knowledge with Mexico so they could build their own highly efficient health care system… and economy…. and education system… we here in America have the money and the brains to figure out the best systems and then if we REALLY believe in the Jesus thing then we would SHARE that with others in need….
Seems simple to me… Dont exploit America… instead stay home and copy the good things America does and dont copy the bad things America does…. and if America would try helping others instead of only self interests then in the long run we are helping ourselves as well.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmBravo….it’s Latin for “truth†– which clearly is something of which you know very little, Juan Troll C.
Comment by veritas
Stop calling Juan a troll, you clueless ass.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmNow, Gerald, I am not advocating hordes of illegals rushing into the US.
Comment by Juan C
It has already happened and is continuing.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI really just dont understand why over population (aka illegals) is just shrugged at by many on this site. I even have had my posting deleted simply because I said univeral health care is not possible with unlimited population from unlimited immigration.
Maybe you have this figured out…. or you just dont care until it is too late?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Quit hyperventilating, Gerald. In all of your considered (I hope) words, I missed the part where you call for more penalties for those who hire illegals - which is the only real way to keep them from coming to the US, isn’t it?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pmwhich is the only real way to keep them from coming to the US, isn’t it?
Comment by Barfly
No.
If you would bother reading my word rather than imagining nonexistant emotions on my part (hyperventilating)… you would see me explaining exactly how I think we should solve the problem.
After we crushed Germany and Japan we didnt prop them up on a welfare system. We helped them rebuild their systems into sustainable and rich power houses. I just dont see why we dont help Mexico become the Japan of the next century. Maybe get Americans driving to Mexico to get good jobs and visa-versa rather than just a one way influx.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:38 pmEvery one involved in this should be sent here; http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/010306gulagsforamericans.htm
February 10th, 2007 at 12:43 pmBravo….it’s Latin for “truth†– which clearly is something of which you know very little, Juan Troll C.
Comment by veritas — February 10, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
Not acceptable. Not here.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:50 pmIf we could stop politicing EVERYTHING and just get some technocrats to solve these issues from a technical perspective
News for you. Since 1982 the mexican government has followed every single economical and social advice from technocrats, they had solved nothing regarding the poorest people. In fact, the trend is that middle class is vanishing and poor people is increasing. We have privatized everything since those times, under the excuse that public industry is bad, inefficient and corrupt (which is true, but also the private industry). I would like some economist explain to me how after a privatizing fever in Latinamerica, external debt is even more unpayable, and population has seen his income reduced crisis after crisis. True, a lot of that responsibility goes to our corrupt governments, no doubt about that, in fact, we are to be blamed, cuz we put these a-holes in the government.
But we dont want any help. Nobody wants US help, we all know how that help evolves into. We just dont want our resources given almost for free to foreig corporations, we dont want to be told how to live our lives or told us what stuff we have to buy. I agree with you, latinamerican governments should do more to support these people and keeping them here. But there are no jobs, Gerald, they went all to China and Thailand. But I dont read your protest again WTO and IMF or WorldBank who supports these kind of trade, this kind of abuse against unemployed people and kids who have to work 12 hours with no services whatsoever. I dont read your protest again corporations who promote this. I dont read your protest against technocrats whose economical doctrine is profit-above-all. Instead I read your example about insects.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pmZoo, Gregor and Barfly.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pmMy English really sucks. ;)
Thanks.
If you would bother reading my word rather than imagining nonexistant emotions on my part
I was reading your words, and wondering why none of them included “increased penalties for employers?”
February 10th, 2007 at 12:54 pmNot realistic.
Comment by Barfly
So you are saying that because of the very people that are causing this bad system to exist dont want it to be made better that it is unrealistic to do the right thing? That is like saying we cant leave Iraq because Al Qeada would think we are weak…. who CARES what they think?
The point was that rebuilding Germany and Japan WORKED. So it could work again anywhere that we choose to help and the helpee choose to accept that help.
America needs a new source of energy. Lets say that Gore to win the presidency and the democrats get even more of Congress and a plan is put forth to put the new solar panels on all American homes and to pay Mexico to build factories to make them for us…. two birds with one stone.
Of coarse in a REAL plan all the details would have to be worked out so it would be realistic, but the point is that technology and economic growth can accomplish just about anything. Doubts and fears fix nothing.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmWe helped them rebuild their systems into sustainable and rich power houses.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
My post was deleted.
With the condition that they hadnt a communist government and that they bought american products in order to get out of the hole.
Its not help Gerald, its trade, and we have had a lot of that here. Its like promoting free trade in Africa, well, after all the valuable resources that europeans have taken from Africa, the least that they can do is to return what they took from them…but I wont hold my breath.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:09 pmbut the point is that technology and economic growth can accomplish just about anything.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
WRONG. Equal chances for everybody accomplish just about everything. Economic growth is against equal chances…
February 10th, 2007 at 1:11 pmMy English really sucks. ;)
Thanks.
Comment by Juan C
Your english is great. :)
February 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pmbut the point is that technology and economic growth can accomplish just about anything.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
WRONG. Equal chances for everybody accomplish just about everything. Economic growth is against equal chances…
Comment by Juan C
When my pay check gets bigger that is economic growth. Then I have a more equal change to afford insurance or retirement or to start my own small business… enonomic growth is like electricty applied to an electric engine… it make things happen.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:15 pmThis site is so jacked… you would think after being up for a couple years they could keep the posts from just disappearing… I write software for a living and that includes websites. This website is crap. I have never had a database driven site just eat its own data and send it off into a blackhole somewhere… that is called data corruption and is a sign of an unstable data environment… hire a professional to fix this crap…
February 10th, 2007 at 1:23 pmWhen my pay check gets bigger that is economic growth.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
When one guy makes 20 million, thousands of other people lose. I didnt invent this, I see it every f*cking day.
And yeah, I will complain all my life every time I see somebody supporting economic exploitation. Who do you think is paying your bigger check? The company? Yeah, right. Its the people, most of them poor. Why do you think every year the gap between rich and poor gets bigger and bigger? Am I inventing something? No, it´s right there if you want to see it. But you want to be in your well-balanced society, ok, I admire that about the US, but you have to look further and see, that one day you will lose your job cuz raw capitalism is all about accumulation of wealth, the gap is widening, have you noticed this? One day, one guy will have everything, while the other wont have anything. You think Im inventing? Thats the trend…
February 10th, 2007 at 1:25 pmEven when/if the minimum wage is increased, those recipients of the increase still won’t able to afford insurance, retirement or start their own small business. Where then is their economic growth?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by Juan C
Look up “economies of scale”.
If we can make our technological society stream lined and we SHARE the technology we should be able to make the American quality of life available to all people that want it. Poor and rich. If there are poor people somewhere being exploited it is because of GREED like you mentioned NOT necessity. If we use some of our money to specifically foster systems of growth for the poor (think FDRs New Deal) then we can totally change the quality of life for all of central and south Americans. Same for Africans and the Middle East. The greedy bastard Americans have learned how to push technology to great extremes. I think that power should be used to give back to the people that have been expoited… and since giving away all we have in America would be dumb we should instead help them build a system like ours so it is a WIN-WIN.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmOk, Gerald, truce. I agree with some things.
I dont hate capitalism just becuz Im resented. Im in the upper-middle class. I dont hate people making money or rich guys. What I cant stand is that the rights of those people making money step upon the rights of people. In this world, if you have the money, you can have sex with a 12 y/o russian. Thats sick, but why? becuz money has more value than a life. This is what this society is leaning towards… if you have money, you can get away with everything. Why? Becuz money is more valuable than laws or rights. There are hundreds of examples.
I would like to see a moderate capitalism, perhaps that could work, but so far that is not happening. I dont mind people getting rich, but seriously, how many rich people do you think have made their wealth honestly and by not breaking any law?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI dont mind people getting rich, but seriously, how many rich people do you think have made their wealth honestly and by not breaking any law?
Comment by Juan C
Judging from history most of the big BIG corporations going back for all of humanity (before they were even called corporations) most of them broke all kinds of “laws” or just plain morality. From the robber barrans to the slave traders to the spanish forced labor of the south and central Americans. That is one of those human scourges that could be solved with just a little common decency… like Jesus and Bhudda and Ghandi had said… it doesnt take a big sacrafice… just a little common decency.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:47 pm(cue the Lee Greenwood music……)
ahm prawd t’bee a uh-murr-i-kin
cuz at least i think i’m free….
sweet jesus – how many times is something like this repeated in cities around the country???
February 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pmPerhaps you haven’t been keeping up on current events, but Wal-Mart and SEIU are teaming up to come up with a health proposal to cover all.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:08 pmBehold, Bush’s America. With injustice for all and if you have no medical benefits, you are dumped on skid row.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI’m tired of having my tax dollars pay for healthcare for illegal aliens when americans are dumped on the streets with their colostomy bags. Something’s definitely wrong with this picture.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:30 pmSchizophrenic trolls are on the loose today – it’s Saturday – whee!
February 10th, 2007 at 2:31 pmEuthanasia works and its accepted by progressives and fascist alike.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pm151 Amen, Gerald – Why is that so hard for a consistent majority to accept?
(imho, it’s part of the proof that we really are just fancy monkeys, like Kurt Vonnegut would say)
February 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pmLife in Bushworld…..
February 10th, 2007 at 4:41 pm#139 – Juan C,
February 10th, 2007 at 5:38 pmMy Spanish doesn’t even sip.
Disgusting. Disgusting. Disgusting.
And our president is cutting health-care funds by 300 million dollars. Instead of spendng, what, a day’s less time in Iraq (300 million is probably a days work)…
Sick.
February 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pmIt’s not really the behaviour you’d expect from a so-called Christian nation is it?
February 10th, 2007 at 5:52 pmdixie,
Some christians must be higher quality than other christians. We know for certain they’re higher quality than the rest of us.
/sarcasm
February 10th, 2007 at 6:09 pmSo you are saying that because of the very people that are causing this bad system to exist dont want it to be made better that it is unrealistic to do the right thing? That is like saying we cant leave Iraq because Al Qeada would think we are weak…. who CARES what they think?
No, I’m saying “they” will actively take steps to nullify any such actions, and they will get their american business associates to also take actions to derail it. And it isn’t just the US and Mexico involved, y’know. Maqueadoras, run by the Chinese, the South Koreans, the Japanese, and even some European business interests, capitalize on Mexico’s illegal Central and South American immigrants. Any change in the current state of affairs would upset Mexico’s labor supply applecart, which capitalizes on the poor, and illegals coming to Mexico. They like the status quo just fine.
America needs a new source of energy. Lets say that Gore to win the presidency and the democrats get even more of Congress and a plan is put forth to put the new solar panels on all American homes and to pay Mexico to build factories to make them for us…. two birds with one stone.
Sounds promising – except that then (as now) they are competing with American companies, using American labor, health, and safety practices. Mexico has repeatedly demonstrated a lack of enforcement of environmental statutes, and any such program would naturally lead to an even worse pollution situation in Mexico. Just as we foolishly thought we could install democracy in a country that has never previously known it, tampering with another country’s immigration policies either overtly or indirectly, is destined to failure, unless they ask for help first.
Of coarse in a REAL plan all the details would have to be worked out so it would be realistic, but the point is that technology and economic growth can accomplish just about anything. Doubts and fears fix nothing.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
I’m as liberal as the next guy here, but years of experience in human nature leads me to believe that “technology and economic growth can accomplish just about anything” is just plain fairy-tale talk. People act from self-interest (or perceived self-interest), and in many instances will go out of their way to sabotage a perfectly good idea, simply because someone convinced them it was bad, or a threat, and they didn’t want to waste any time thinking about the issue.
February 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pmComment by Zooey — February 10, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
Zooey,
You will not hear one person from the Christianist, Jesusmongering a$$wipes like Falwell or Robertson even lifting slight voice to outrages like this!!! You cannot know Jesus without a ph*cking heart!!!
Christian nation? BULLSHIT!!!!!
February 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pm#139 – Juan C,
My Spanish doesn’t even sip.
Comment by WaltTheMan
I just got that one!! ROTFL!!
February 10th, 2007 at 8:56 pm#166 – Juan C,
February 10th, 2007 at 11:05 pmIt took you over three hours to comprehend? But then, my wife falls out of the bed in histerics at 6 or 7 AM occassionally after I mention something over a pre-dinner appetizer and drink tete a’ tete.
Walt:
2:58 to read it. And then 2 to understand it…
Still…slow.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:14 amI moved to Calfornia from the Midwest recently because of my job, and I have never seen a health care system as broken as California’s, with so many uninsured people and a fragmented provider system with competing HMOs, PPOs, insurance companies, MediCal and hospitals that all seem to work at odds with each other and whose bottom line is profit. The county hospitals are truly the worst, where patients get care as bad as in some really poor third world country. The worst excesses of America’s current health care system is found here in California. some sort of single payer system needs to be instituted here to start reforming health care here.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:57 pm