Does Cheney know bombing Iran will backfire?
By on Feb 9th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Does Cheney know bombing Iran will backfire?
Bush doesn’t say:
At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush’s Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine’s Soroush Shehabi. A grandson of one of the late Shah’s ministers, Soroush said, “Mr. President, I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized.”
“I know,” President Bush answered.
“But does Vice President Cheney know?” asked Soroush.
The president chuckled and walked away.
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I wonder what one Iranian bomb will do to Israel?
February 9th, 2007 at 8:40 pmVice President Cheney knows. He and the War Profiteers are counting on it.
They might even be salivating at the prospect of 20 - 30 years of armed conflict, costing trillions upon trillions of dollars, all going to line their pockets.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:44 pmVice President Bush already knows what President Cheney thinks.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThey ALL want war. And the rest of us will be caught in the middle.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:46 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
Comment by Vince P
You keep saying that -- I do not think you know what it means.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:02 pm#6: The extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has "defended" the government of Iran?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI don't think Bush really knows either.
As a non-Republican myself, I am all for bombing the shit out of the ENTIRE middle east. Kill everyone over there. They are all religious radicals - every one of em. Some are violent, some are just insane. They all need to be stopped.
The ONLY reason bombing the middle east is a bad idea is because the oil under the ground will burn... and it will burn for a LONG time... and that will do more damage to to ozone that you could possibly immagine.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:08 pmVince P. sez:
Vince, no one here is 'attacking Americans' or 'defending the Iranian government'. Otherwise, your statement is correct.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:12 pmCheney wants this to back fire - to help build more war profiteering funds and to keep the media off the subject of the fact he is a proven treasonist.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:15 pmMy God... it is out there - he commited treason and what has the media been taliking about??? I am sick. I thought treason was punishable by death. And because of all the illegal spying Cheney is able to blackmale and threaten Congress to vote his way.
Of course bombing on Iran won't backfire. You know what will backfire? Allowing Iran to get nukes and "wipe Israel off the map" as they made it clear they will do. I don't care if it's his last day in office, I want Bush to attack Iran. Once the surge finishes off the insurgents, keep about 20,000 troops in Iraq, and march the rest to Tehran. We are in position to strike. Or at least bomb them heavily. They are beggin' for it.
And if you pacifist peacenick hippies don't like that, move to Canada. We don't need you anyway.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:16 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant. - Vince P
February 9th, 2007 at 9:22 pm*******************************
Choke on it Vince.
Various comments denying reality:
"You keep saying that — I do not think you know what it means"
"Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?"
"Vince, no one here is ‘attacking Americans’ or ‘defending the Iranian government’. Otherwise, your statement is correct."
Reality:
"My God… it is out there - he commited treason and what has the media been taliking about??? I am sick. I thought treason was punishable by death. And because of all the illegal spying Cheney is able to blackmale and threaten Congress to vote his way.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:22 pm"
Comment by firehead
If people like you were kept in prison in the 1920s and 1930s in Germany instead of being let out to continue on to become nazis then WWII would not have happened... maybe that should be a lesson to us putting up with this crap.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThe polls have it 70% to 30% peacenicks. IT COULD GET PRETTY LONELY IF YA GET YOUR WISH.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:24 pmFirehead: The Regressives here are allied with Iran, so it offends them greatly when the US doesn't grovel to the Mullahs.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:25 pmAnd that goes for you to Vince P. All you extremists belong right next to the blind sheik in prison.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:26 pmHey firehead, enlist or go F-CK yourself, okay?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:26 pmah the hateful Leftists are now on a roll.
Froth traitors, froth!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:29 pmLet's get something straight. Iran is NOT building a nuclear weapons program so they can throw it and their lives away by launching missles into Isreal. They are building a weapons program for the same reason every other country that has them or wants them is. As DEFENCE, not offense. They want everyone else to see they have a d**k now too. So what if they have nukes! So does Isreal, Pakistan, and India. If Isreal was so worried about Iran they would bomb them themselves. Isreal doesn't need the U.S. to do that. Isreal is by far the most powerful country in the Middle East and don't need our help defending themselves.
I am so sick and tired of Republicans being such cowards. Their afraid of everything. They are all hidding under their desks, curled up and wetting themselves, and they want everyone else to do the same thing. 'Oh no! the terrorist don't like us'. 'Bin Laden thinks were weak'. I don't care what Bin Laden or any person that thinks like him, thinks of me, or my country. I am not going through life scared of some fools who are to cowardly to do their own dirty work. Let the Republicans continue to be the nillys. As Sen. Web pointed out, if you Republicans can't find your way, then the Democrats will show you.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:30 pmWell said Bill from Dover!
Bravo!
Could not have said it as well myself!!
Kudos!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:30 pmfirehead
Hippy I am not... With the history of all the LIES how can you believe one word from this proven criminal treasonist murderous administration? You have got the fear boy....
I want real leadership to stand up - maybe next week in Congress we will see this.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:31 pmDallas proves he knows nothing about the eschatology of the Iranian government. He proves that he talks only from his own Wishful Thinking.
Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology. Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:33 pm"Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?"
Or attacked Americans?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:36 pmI wonder what one Iranian bomb will do to Israel?
Comment by Vince P
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Probably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:43 pm“Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?â€
Or attacked Americans?
Comment by paland
Bill Clinton is a prime example. Look at who`s watch all this bullshit started under.
Bill " Blowjobs are more important to me than the defense of my country and it`s people " Clinton.
>And that goes for you to Vince P. All you extremists belong right next to the blind sheik in prison.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Hey fu(kwit?
learn the fu(k how to spell first before making such a pathetically stupid staement like this.
Since you are probably, no surely, too stupid to spot it yourself, here it is:
you to Vince P
to?
TOO! You Fu(kWit! With a capital C!!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:44 pmAnd this is how President Bush has conducted his personal style of diplomacy from the onset of his miserably disgusting adminstration. It's like Circus of the Absurd or a really dark Fellini movie, but without the cool costumes or good acting.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:46 pmLooking at some of the above comments, I see some making mention that the liberals and leftists should maybe head to Canada. Actually, since the liberals are in the majority the fascists are the ones who should start thinking of making the move, instead. Bye, bye- Don't let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya. You are a bunch of bed-wetting cowards who couldn't punch your way out of a paper sack. Otherwise, your arguments would hold more promise and make more sense. Your cause is lost and your tomorrow's are uncertain. Get a job. Stop being a drain on society.
JPV?
Fu(k You Fu(k witless
February 9th, 2007 at 9:46 pmCould you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?
Comment by Luke Skywalk
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Guys, why even bother responding to these simplistic and transparent Straw-Manâ„¢ arguments?
This sort of clumsily dispatched and ham handed BS is merely design to put detractors on the defensive, and derail any prospects of a real discussion.
The best thing to do, IMO, is to ignore these types all together.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmUmmmm folks.....let's get it straight ok? IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OIL AND NOTHING ELSE! Bush originally wanted blanket permission to invade ANY country in the Middle East that he wanted to but Congress said "NO" and restricted the AUMF (Authorization to Use Military Force) to Iraq and Iraq only. Of course Bush is not satisfied with bringing chaos and destruction to Iraq alone. HE WANTS TO DESTABILIZE THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST AND TAKE THE OIL IN THE PROCESS!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmQuick Vince, hide! The boogie man is in your closet!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI'll reason with you liberals. Tell me, what's Chuck Shummer going to do to protect me from Iran getting nukes? What will speaker Pelosi to stop them from wiping Israel off the map?
Please, make me laugh.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pmA real journalist points out their errors.
Hey here is one of my own.
>And that goes for you to Vince P. All you extremists belong right next to the blind sheik in prison.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Hey fu(kwit?
learn the fu(k how to spell first before making such a pathetically stupid staement like this.
Since you are probably, no surely, too stupid to spot it yourself, here it is:
staement like this.
should read: statement like this
TYPO
February 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pmVince, do you actually read what you post, or do you just string big words together in a futile attempt to sound intelligent?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pm"I know" and "I give a rat's rear" are two different things.
They don't know what they are doing.
If they really want no Iranian influence in Iraq, then the Iraqi govt will need disbanded and we'll have to a find another hard-line thug (like Saddam) to intimidate/dominate the population (again).
Better to face facts. Iraq is mostly SHIA and will likely have a SHIA dominated government with strong ties and/or influence to Iran in the end. This will be true no matter what happens in the next few years.
Just face the facts and start opening the diplomatic channels now.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmProbably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
Comment by JPV
An eerily quiet, nuclear winter sort of peace....
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmSo organ donor, which organ did you donate? Your brain obviously. Clinton didn't attack any Americans.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmhalos: quick! make silly immature quips and avoid the topic you don't have the capacity to address.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmActually Vince the traitor is one of urine;
Ahmed Chalabi, touted by the neocons as the George Washington of "democratic" Iraq, was and is no doubt still quite friendly with the mullahs: such a good friend that he purportedly passed off to them vital U.S. secrets which seriously compromised our intelligence-gathering efforts in Iran.
And besides this Vince P, the neo-cons don't want any log cabin Republicans. They hate you.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmProbably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
Comment by JPV — February 9, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
JPV?
Fu(k You Fu(k witless
Comment by cool spock explorer
I second that emotion!!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmComment by organ donor
It goes for you also.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmBill is under some sort of delusion where the Middle East is currently stable.
Lets listen to Bill's ideas, he knows nothing, but he hates Bush, and that's good enough for Regressives.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:52 pmComment by firehead
Its called M.A.D.
Incase you missed it that is how we made it through the Cold War.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:53 pmDallas proves he knows nothing about the eschatology of the Iranian government. He proves that he talks only from his own Wishful Thinking.
Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology. Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
Comment by Vince P — February 9, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Like I said. Scared out of his mind. Ignorance breeds fear. Vince get some help. Stop being afraid. The truth really doesn't hurt, it's the deniel of truth that is painful.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:53 pmBy the way, I am not a leftist. But I don't hold the fact that you didn't know that against you. It's that ignorance thing getting in your way again.
organ donor:
Thanks.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:53 pmnot to mention, Vince P, that Plame was working on Iran, you know that agent who some Republican traitor outed?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pmIts called M.A.D.
Incase you missed it that is how we made it through the Cold War.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
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Yep, a nuclear Iran would most likely have a stabilizing effect in the region.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pmvince, you are much too interesting and hold far too much potential to be taking up allies such as firehead...
you're one dimensional thinking is disturbing, but firehead is just an idiot, so don't belittle yourself
February 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pmJet: Keep your gay bashing to yourself.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI thought this was a moving link someone posted earlier.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:56 pm#31- Well, that's a given. A lot more inhumanity has transpired in the process. Also, this adminstration never banked on the people reacting such as they are. Cheney thought that by intimidating the media he could control news leakage and no one would know what is really happening. He underestimated the resolve of the American people to stand up to bullies and smug, arrogant leaders that care nothing about the "mythical Little people". Now, people are pissed off and saying "go to hell" for lying to me and treating me like an animal. So, yes, it is about the oil. But, there is also a whole domino effect taking place, as well.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWow! The trolls are regurgitating all over themselves tonight! Do they realize that they've become the #1 Democratic Party "recruiting tool"??
February 9th, 2007 at 9:57 pmdallas: Well then please tell me how wrong I am and tell me what the Iranian gov believes it must do to meet the requirements for the return of the Imam Mahdi?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:58 pmpreventing nuclear proliferation is awful "hippy" of you professed haters of the left
February 9th, 2007 at 9:58 pmProbably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
Comment by JPV
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JPV?
Fu(k You Fu(k witless
Comment by cool spock explorer
I second that emotion!!
Comment by organ donor
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LOL! You may not like the comment that I made, but tell me that I'm wrong. Nice comment or not... it is the truth.
And it doesn't mean I wish for this to happen either. I don't. I'm just trying to use a provocative statement to illustrate a point regarding the dynamics in the region.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmorgan donor:
Thanks.
Comment by Vince P
Vince has to create moniker (himself) to agree with him.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmYep, a nuclear Iran would most likely have a stabilizing effect in the region.
Comment by JPV
Exactly. Israel will stop attacking their neighbors out of fear of things getting out of control just like America and Russia did.
Then maybe some day both of those undemocratic overly religious and bigoted countries will start signing their own agreements to reduce nukes etc. etc.
Or America could simply take the lead and push for a nuclear free middle east even though that would piss off Israel.
America has more than enough power to make sure Israel doesnt get overrun.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmWow! The trolls are regurgitating all over themselves tonight! Do they realize that they’ve become the #1 Democratic Party “recruiting tool�?
Comment by veritas
Said the Chalabi lover.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:01 pmLooks like the trolls are multiplying...this is what happens when you let them get out of hand.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:02 pmVince is just mad cause the Republicans don't want him, the Democrats don't want him, the independents don't want him, nor do the progressives want him. And BWT Vince, no one is frothing or regurgitating over your ill informed, projectionist, inflammatory bias.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:03 pmAnd it doesn’t mean I wish for this to happen either. I don’t. I’m just trying to use a provocative statement to illustrate a point regarding the dynamics in the region.
Comment by JPV
Bullshit. You are an ANTISEMITE!
Go ahead, go the way of the Nazis.
Your fate is in joint Israeli and American hands.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:04 pmYou are a fool.
And BWT Vince, no one is frothing or regurgitating over your ill informed, projectionist, inflammatory bias.
Comment by Jet Mech
Say that fast 3 times. Heh.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:05 pmFunny comment there Mr. Bill Clinton Assassin Team.
The only problem is that I'm not a "Liberal". LOL!
I'm an old fashioned "Conservative". Unlike the "Neoconservetives", who themselves are really "Liberals" in disguise.
The problem is that feeble minded dupes like you, aren't bright enough to figure this out though. You guys are merely driven by mindless ideology and not logic.
That is, if you're even a real person and not a clumsy GOP "Talking Pointsâ„¢" Bot. LOL!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:06 pm#24: Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology.
I have no idea what you mean by this, but I suspect most liberals don't care what sort of ideology a person holds, as long as he or she doesn't try to blow anyone up.
Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
You mean, like when liberals call Dick Cheney a communist? Yeah, I'm sick of that old line, too. I mean, no matter how much you reason with them, you just can't get liberals to stop calling poor old Dick a commie.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
Huh?
Oh, yeah--and you still haven't provided an example of a prominent progressive who has defended the Islamic government of Iran. I mean, since liberals are doing this all the time, it shouldn't be too hard to find an example.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:07 pmOh, yeah–and you still haven’t provided an example of a prominent progressive who has defended the Islamic government of Iran. I mean, since liberals are doing this all the time, it shouldn’t be too hard to find an example.
Comment by Luke Skywalker
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Yep, I'm waiting too.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:08 pmVince,
If any one were to nuke Israel, it would most likely be someone living right there in Israel, one of the militant groups there who have been oppressed by Israel right there in their own backyard.
Iran knows if it were to nuke any place, it would be their end, they are not even that crazy to push the button ensuring all their population dies. Israel, the USA and UK have the capability to retaliate to any attack against any other ally, with enough nukes on submarines that the only people left alive on the planet are those in the submarines, at least until they surface for air, food, fuel.
The only ones I think capable of preemptively or in retaliation for another "terrorist attack" of nuking another country are you crazy idiots living here in the USA. A bible in one hand, the other finger on the trigger.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:09 pmFirehead, I don't see you at your local recruiter.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:10 pmI never thought it possible. Someone who's more delusional and a bigger stupid idiot than Vince P. I give you, firehead!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:10 pmThese videos are very moving too.
Iranian Guardian Council Secretary Jannati: Like Israel, America Is Weaker than a Spider Web
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1261wmv&ak=null
Iraqi Ayatollah Ahmad Al-Baghdadi Talks about the Annihilation of America, Muslim Conquest of the World, and Declares His Support of Nuclear Bombs in the Hands of Muslim and Arab Countries
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1135wmv&ak=null
February 9th, 2007 at 10:11 pmorgan donor sez:
And there it is. Talk about Israel long enough, and some wingnut will pull anti-semitism out of his ass.
Thanks, organ donor, for once again displaying the willful ignorance of the right.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:11 pmCheney is assuming that he can ride a camel through the eye of a needle. He is in for a disappointment.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:12 pmIran knows if it were to nuke any place, it would be their end, they are not even that crazy to push the button ensuring all their population dies. Israel, the USA and UK have the capability to retaliate to any attack against any other ally, with enough nukes on submarines that the only people left alive on the planet are those in the submarines, at least until they surface for air, food, fuel.
Comment by LeftyFromDenver
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Yep, pretty obvious. Hence, why the motivations of anybody advocating an attack on Iran is quite suspect, to say the least.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI wonder what ignorant log cabin republican troll will do to a thread?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
ROTFL!!! Sorry, Im late...
February 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pm#71: I give you . . . firehead!
Would you mind taking it back?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pm#1 Vince P.
I wonder what one Iranian bomb will do to Israel?
Considering that Israel has over 100 nuclear weapons and Iran has zero, and also considering that Israel has already drawn up plans for an attack on the Natanz uranium enrichment plant and has been doing practice runs for it for a couple of years now, that seems like a silly question.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pmSpudge, you hit the nail on the head. Those righties yelling anti-semitism have no problem smearing Arabs...meaning they are anti-semetic.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pm#72: Thanks for the broken links, Vince. Very moving indeed.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pmDoes organ donor realize that the term SEMITE INCLUDES ARABS.
So, you pro-Isreali, anti-Arab folks need to learn what the true meaning of anti-Semite means.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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Yep, you're totally right. Yet these people, who don't even fully understand the history or dynamics in the region, see fit to advocate the extermination of perhaps countless hundreds of thousands of people. IMO, they are nothing but mindless and sick sociopaths.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:22 pmhey juan, did you read my long winded response to your "the european left"? i'm not sure it got posted.....
February 9th, 2007 at 10:22 pmVince P. This is so easy. The leaders of Iran (the ones who claim to be religous) do the exact same thing that every other religous leader (ex. United States) does. They tell wild stories and warn of the coming savior so as to get the masses foaming at the mouth, ready to kill, or be killed in the name of God. This story is as old as man, and it is done for the same reason as it has always been done. POWER. Are there any major religous leaders anywhere in the world who aren't wealthy? Who don't hold a great deal of sway in the political arena? Look who has the real power in Iraq. It's not the President, it is the religous leaders. The ones who send others off to blow themselves up while they sit back and get the power and glory. None of these religous leaders really believe what they say ( Ted Haggert).They aren't stupid. They know they have a great racket going on. That is why the Iranian leaders aren't going to bomb anybody. They have to good a thing going on.
Besides I really haven't seen anyone, or anything that looks or acts like the Dajjal. When I do then I might become worried. If I where you though, I wouldn't hold my breath.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:26 pmThis is perhaps the most depraved thing I have ever seen:
Egyptian Cleric Sheik Muhammad Nassar Tells a Group of Children about Child Martyrdom in the Early Days of Islam
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1185wmv&ak=null
February 9th, 2007 at 10:27 pmSorry, Luke. I was just bestowing him with his new title.
You ever hear the saying, "it's easy for a smart person to act dumb, but virtually impossible for a dumb person to act smart?" It's the tell tale sign of a most trolls here. The only thing worse is that there are women dumb enough to let themselves to be inseminated by them.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:29 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant. -comment by Vince P
Saddam Hussien and his Sunni regime was Iran's biggest competitor/strategic threat. We gave Saddam weapons so he could fight Iranian influence. Now you dumb inbred cowf$cking gunhumpers just turned the keys of Iraq and all its resources over to Iran. Sounds like you guys are doing more favors for Iran that we ever suggested.
Vince, your a real bright guy, its obvious you understand things like "the law of unintended consequences"... care to tell us how many of the political parties in the current DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Iraq have strong ties to IRan?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:29 pmFear (Vince P, firehead) is so good for business (Bush & Cheney).
About Israel...The Road to Damascus wasnt written yesterday.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:30 pmi’m not sure it got posted…..
Comment by karlx
It didnt. The only thing that was posted was a PS...
February 9th, 2007 at 10:31 pmThe bad links... sorry about that... they have a weird way of linking in the site.
Of the links previously given,, here are the replacement links that work
1
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1261wmv&ak=null
2
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1135wmv&ak=null
3 http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1185wmv&ak=null
Hopefully, there's no problem with these.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:33 pmantisemite in the context of our discussion asswipe which by the way is your and most progressives stance is anti Israeli.
Nice obfuscation attempt however. Nice try at attempting to maneuver the discussion slightly off key while you ALL stall for answers.
You are all pathetic ANTI SEMITES!
I am Jewish.
I know antisemites when I see and read what they are thinking.
Have you recently interviewed with FoxNews? Your tactics of baldface lying is really in demand over there I hear.
So.....Fu(k you you little antisemite Fu(witless.
With a BIG CAPITAL (
February 9th, 2007 at 10:33 pmdallas: you answered in generalities and platitudes. I'm asking for the specifics of the Iranian govt view since you know it and say I am wrong.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:34 pmJuan C and Karl the Commie X ?
Take your short q&a session offthread somewhere.
We are trying to discuss other more important things here.
Take it to TF
February 9th, 2007 at 10:36 pm91 is for Spudge_Boy
February 9th, 2007 at 10:37 pmVince P:
The 'replacement links that work' don't work.
Well done.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:38 pmLet Iran have a nuclear weapon if they want... who cares? Pakistan has one. Sooner or later Musharaf's enemies will take him out guess who will have that nuke then? Let the entire Middle East have nukes. If they want to turn each other into glass why should we care? All of this BS about Islamo-facism and kill the infidel who cares? The Middle East belongs to those that live there. If they want to destroy each other let them. Bush helped Iran complete the Shia Crescent. The Iranian mullahs have defacto control over the Shia led (Bush Sanctioned) Iraqi Government. So whats all the fuss about? Israel? They have enough nukes to protect themselves... Take a lesson from China. I dont see the Sunni or Shia radicals attacking them.
"No matter if it's rogue's oil or a friend's oil, we don't care," said an energy adviser to the central government who spoke on the condition he not be identified, citing the threat of government disciplinary action. "Human rights? We don't care. We care about oil. Whether Iran would have nuclear weapons or not is not our business. America cares, but Iran is not our neighbor. Anyone who helps China with energy is a friend."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201546_pf.html
Were wasting 3/4 of a trillion dollars; lost 3100+ military personnel; almost broke our military machine all of this and more... FOR WHAT?
ENERGY supplies. Guess what? All these companies lined up signing these great 30 yr contracts in Iraq.... They will be worthless within 3 years. Perhaps they'll be nationalized before then but I doubt it. Guess which super power won this conflict? China...they didnt spend a penny or fire a single bullet and they won everything we had. Prestiege, Power, Respect. Bushco and his neocons screwed our country. LOL and the Republican Party ...well 50+% still support him. Go figure.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:39 pm#84 Vince P.
Yeah, that's pretty extreme stuff, I'm sure. It would probably have the exact same effect on Iranians if they were to listen to the things that right-wing clowns in the U.S. say (i.e. "nuke the entire Middle East", "kill all Muslims"). If they ever listened to an hour of Michael Savage or Glenn Beck or the asswipes on KSFO, it's doubtful that they'd think they could trust Americans. They'd probably think we were all a bunch of hate-filled, murdering psychos. And it's really just relatively few Americans who are. Unfortunately, someone has seen fit to give them their own radio shows.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pm93
Spudge_Boy this is for you. I am not letting you off the hook that easily.
antisemite in the context of our discussion asswipe which by the way is your and most progressives stance is anti Israeli.
Nice obfuscation attempt however. Nice try at attempting to maneuver the discussion slightly off key while you ALL stall for answers.
You are all pathetic ANTI SEMITES!
I am Jewish.
I know antisemites when I see and read what they are thinking.
Have you recently interviewed with FoxNews? Your tactics of baldface lying is really in demand over there I hear.
So…..Fu(k you you little antisemite Fu(witless.
With a BIG CAPITAL (
Comment by organ donor — February 9, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
February 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pm#90: Your links still aren't working, Vince. But I suspect I get the point:
Iran = Bad Guy
George W. Bush = Good Guy
Good Guy kill Bad Guy. Problem solved.
Is that pretty much what you're getting at?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:42 pm#95: If your earlier post was was for Spudge Boy, why do you say, "You are all pathetic ANTI SEMITES" (emphasis mine)? Seems like a pretty broad statement, when there are people who post here from a range of religious and ideological backgrounds.
Maybe you could be more specific and say something like, "I think anyone who disagrees with me is an anti-Semite! And I pull out my Jewish background because I think it gives me authority when it comes to identifying anti-Semitism!"
February 9th, 2007 at 10:46 pmVince you keep bringing up random statements by government officials of Iran as some sort of deluded proof of the intentions of the entire iranian government.
Does that mean that your willing to agree that any quote from any american government official should be used as an excuse for other countries to take violent action against america because of threats that person has made? Do you know someone in our government recently advocated the the military of a foreign country overthrow thier democratically elected government to accomodate our recent battle plans.
Therefore, according to your logic, you are admitting that america supports military coups against legitimate democracies.
How do you feel about that mr flaghumping freedumb luver?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:46 pmorgan donor sez:
WRONG, STUPID. Expressing disagreement with the policies of the state of Israel does not equate to hatred or hostility against the Jewish race, no matter how much you whine that it does.
That's like saying people who have issues with the United States are 'anti-christian', since the population of the country is predominantly Christian.
Get it, dolt?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:48 pmGeez, they make it impossible to share an URL.
Anyway...
http://www.memritv.org
1 - Clip 1261
2 - Clip 1135
3 - Clip 1185
February 9th, 2007 at 10:52 pmIran is a peace loving nation! They're a great democracy that has more rights than us. The people there enjoy a quality of life we don't!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:55 pmDictionary definition:
an·ti-Sem·ite
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.
Nothing about the target being a Non-Jew.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:57 pmorgan donor sez:
OK, it's official. You are completely full of shit.
Thanks for making it so clear, so I don't have to waste any more time on you.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:58 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitic
Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group, which can range in expression from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution. While the term's etymology may imply that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, it is in practice used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews. The highly explicit ideology of Adolf Hitler's Nazism was the most extreme example of this phenomenon, leading to the Holocaust.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:59 pmOh, dear. The trolls have gone bye-bye.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:01 pmi don't want to give organ donor more attention than deserved; anyhow my comment to juan referenced to a general conversation concerning americans living in a bubble, you certainly seem to fit the bill, sad to see someone so blind with hate as well...
February 9th, 2007 at 11:02 pmHey Vince...it's funny, but I don't see the word 'Israel' anywhere in your definitions.
Please see post #107 to see why the use of 'anti-semite' in this context is bullshit. Kthx.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pmwhat is "tf"?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pmVince P
Thank you for that quick clarification. You are a genuine teammate of " the cause "
Thanks again. These Iranian mullah supporters know not what they do let alone hear.
Very sad indeed.
Any friend of Iran is an enemy of Mossad and Israel.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:07 pmName hijacking alert on aisle #110.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:08 pmwhat is “tf�
Comment by KarlX
ThinkFast thread.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:09 pmI believe the poster in 110 is sincere.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:11 pm116: so boring. Do I need to actually state the obvious?
If israel was an arab state none of you would be attacking it, it's because it's a Jewish state that you do.
Apparently the Progressives always take the side of the barbarians when it comes to the enemies of the Israel or America.
I attribute that to hatred of יהוה.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pm#110: Iran is a peace loving nation! They’re a great democracy that has more rights than us. The people there enjoy a quality of life we don’t!
Funny thing is--the name hijacking notwithstanding--I don't doubt, that there are plenty of delusional conservatives who, despite all evidence to the contrary, actually believe that this is a typical liberal viewpoint.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pmokay, now that the guy accusing everyone of being an anti semite is gone, things get real quiet.
vince, i'd like to hear your thoughts on the numerous comments concerning an iranian listening in on some right wing american commentators: "bomb em all" "all muslims are terrosists"etc. You fall fairly silent when these comments come up.
do you see your shortcoming in this respect: we can find violence inciting extremist (in high places) everywhere.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pm#122 If Israel were an Arab state they wouldn't be oppressing Arabs. Der.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:14 pmBarbarians, Vincy? I consider you one. Should I declare war on you?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:15 pmKarlx: i talk to Iranians in Iran almost every day. Everything I've said here has been in regards to the Islamic government.
You'll have to provide the full context of your quotations, I'm not familiar with anyone speaking like that.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:17 pmJpark: see my comment 6. Thank you for answering those earlier questions.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pm#122: Apparently the Progressives always take the side of the barbarians when it comes to the enemies of the Israel or America.
Hey Vince, I know I've asked this twice before, but I just can't help myself. Can you find us an example of even one prominent American progressive who sides with terrorists against the United States? I mean, there are obviously a lot of them, which is why you're so wild with rage. So one example shouldn't be too much of a burden.
I Mossad, will stick a meathook up your ass and disembowel you like we have done to so many Palestinian women, children and civilians. All spys for Palestine. Every one. All killings justified.
You know, if I didn't know any better, I'd say this sounds an awful lot like the behavior of a "barbarian." [Note to TP: Feel free to delete.] Thanks for clarifying, though, and making such a compelling case that you're the one who's civilized.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pm122 vince
not many people here are going to be arguing for the virtues of the saudi arabian state or turkiey(to name a couple)
it's incredible that the position of not wanting the U.S. to bomb Iran hence anti Israel hence anti semite! that makes me laugh, abusrd
February 9th, 2007 at 11:19 pm"Can you find us an example of even one prominent American progressive who sides with terrorists against the United States? "
Keith Olbermann is Pro-Iran!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:20 pm#128 Sorry, I am no fan of Islamists, Christianist or Jewists. You, on the other hand just may be a Christianist.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThat was stupid, Mark.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWhich Muslims do YOU like Vincy? The Saudis? They are funding the Sunnis in Iraq. Your god, Bushy boy, is kinda in their pocket while they kill our soldiers.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:23 pmHe is is a supporter of Iran!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:24 pm#131: Keith Olbermann is Pro-Iran!
Mark, thanks so much for this incisive and cutting-edge commentary. Would you care to provide a link to Olbermann's pro-Iran manifesto, or cutting and pasting it into a post? Thanks.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:25 pm#135: He is is a supporter of Iran!
Apply, rinse, repeat.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:28 pmMark is a Saudi loyalist!!!!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:28 pm127 vince
February 9th, 2007 at 11:29 pmsorry can't provide links and quotes, but i have the feeling that George Bush included Iran as one of three nations he called the Axis of Evil. Come on, don't play stupid.
I miss Chase.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:29 pmVince P sez:
So stupid. Did you even bother to read my post?
Wrong, jackass. We attack it because it is the single most destabilizing influence in the entire world. We attack it because it violates international law with impunity. We attack it because it uses cluster mines and white phosphorus on Palestinian children. There are more reasons, but you get the drift.
Reread what I wrote above, and then tell me who the 'barbarians' are.
Spoken like a true zealot. Well done. I'm sure your "יהוה" is proud of you.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:30 pmChris Matthews is pro-Iran and has admitted his admiration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:32 pmTripMaster Monkey,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pmIran commits human rights abuses of Women and Gays. Why no condemnation of Iran?
"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win." -- Michael Moore
February 9th, 2007 at 11:35 pmMark, you are what they call "slow", aren't you?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#141: We attack it because it is the single most destabilizing influence in the entire world. We attack it because it violates international law with impunity. We attack it because it uses cluster mines and white phosphorus on Palestinian children.
Although I agree with some of what you're saying, I can't go along with your acceptance of Vince's word "attack." I'm content to criticize Israel's government for all the reasons you've outlined, but with all the crazy crap flying around this page, I want to be clear that I wouldn't advocate "attacking" Israel in a military sense. I don't think Vince understands the difference, so I'm clarifying--not trying to sound holier than thou.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pmThe Left supports Iran.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pmVince, what would happen if the Iranians rose up against their elected government. Would you demonize them, too?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:37 pmMark sez:
Why must you neocons always think in such absolutes? You assume that because I speak out against the crimes of Israel, I condone the crimes of Iran?
That's just plain idiotic, but sadly, that's what I've come to expect from you wingnuts.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pm#142: Chris Matthews is pro-Iran and has admitted his admiration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
I dislike Chris Matthews so much I'm tempted to accept this at face value. But I'll bite: can you provide a link, please, sir? Or are you just going to keep throwing out names until (you hope) something sticks?
Also, I truly hope you're not citing Chris Matthews as an example of a "progressive."
February 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pmMy favorite current or former Muslims
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
February 9th, 2007 at 11:39 pmWaled Shoebad
Noonie Darwish
Wafa Sultan
Ibn Warraq
They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win.†— Michael Moore
Comment by Vince P
You have a problem with looking at things from a different perspective, don't you?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:40 pm#147: The Left supports Iran.
This, of course, makes perfect sense. The Left is notorious for supporting radical right-wing governments.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:40 pmTripMaster Monkey,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:41 pmSo why doesn't the Left ever speak out against the Iranian government or offer support to the Iranian opposition?
L'il Dick has no soul...
...his money and his power to manipulate are all that matters to him...
...he could give less than a damn about how many die...
..in his quest for globalization...
...the destruction of the unionized working poor/middle class...
... dominanated by corporate "privatized" America....
...where the rich industrialist and political blue-blood class has everything...
February 9th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#143
because its off topic?
we officialy condemn the said abuses
now on to u.s./israeli plans to bomb iran: see #141
(vince, you see the company you keep, firehead, mark; embarrassing)
February 9th, 2007 at 11:43 pm>You have a problem with looking at things from a different perspective, don’t you?
Not at all. I acknoweldge thier motivation are those that they say they are. the teachings of the Koran.
Its you folk who deny that.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:43 pmVince, you would be more sincere if you told us which Christianist you liked the most. Robertson? Falwell? Dobson?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:44 pmKarlX,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWhat about Ahmadinejad calls to wipe out Israel and America? I guess that's ok with the Left.
#146 is a very good point
goodnight peoples, gotta two year old waiting to order me around at thebreak of dawn
February 9th, 2007 at 11:46 pmciao
Vince, what is your favorite book in the bible? Genesis? Exodus? Leviticus? I would love to quote some of these to you. Let me know.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:47 pmJpark: the topic is Islam. Address it.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:48 pmI admire Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Sheik Nasrallah and Osama Bin Laden! They're freedom fighters!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pmVince, my point is Islam is no different from Christianity...address it.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pm#159 Mark, you dumbass. Tell me exactly how much power Ahmedinejad has!! Or don't you know he is nothing but a figurehead?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:50 pmYah, 163 wasn't me, of course. I must be winning because the losers have to smear me.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pmmark sez:
Funny...this looks a lot like 'speaking out'.
Of course, Human Rights Watch is notoriously right-wing, isn't it?
</snark>
February 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pmJpark: so in other words you're either a deliberate liar or massively ignorant. talking to you gives no value to me. bye.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:53 pm159
o jeez, mark, "okay with the left?" i'm sure most "lefties" would not be "okay" with these rhetorical threats, but i'd hope they wouldn't be "ökay" bombing the speaker's nation....
later
February 9th, 2007 at 11:55 pmTripMaster Monkey,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:55 pmWhy no threads at Think Progress condemnin g the Iranian regime?
Too much for you Vince? Poor righty can't fight against truth, eh?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:56 pmMark: I'm sure they had a thread on Iran once, probably in 2004 to go with the BBC article.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:57 pmCongratulations on your victory over Vince, JPark. You know you've won when they have to resort to namejacking to try to gain an advantage.
Let's just hope he follows through on his last statement and stays gone.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:58 pmIslam preaches wiping out through violence other non Muslims. Christianity belives in forgiveness and loving thy neigbor. Big difference.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#171 What regime would that be. Ahmedinejad? Cause he is kind of a pussy. Nothing but talk. If you want in depth talk about Iran you should look up the democratic push before Bush decided Iran was in the Axis of EVIL.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#175 The bible calls for the stoning of non-believers.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:00 amMark sez:
You'll have to take that up with the Think Progress editors, Mark.
Let me know when you're ready to get back on topic.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:00 amJpark: you talk out of your ass. if you knew things about islam and christianity you wouldn't have said what you did. i been in discussions with leftists for years regarding this issue, you're the typical clone, saying nothing that hasn't been perseverated a million times by your just as dumb comrades.
so you're not going to be a liliputian to me.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:00 am#174 Thanks, TPM, I think it was more likely that Mark was the offending hijacker. I still have hope that Vince is an honest debater, no matter how much I have insulted him. :)
February 10th, 2007 at 12:01 amJPark,
February 10th, 2007 at 12:01 amYour just a Pro-Iran idiot.
Have you read the bible Vince?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:02 amTripMaster Monkey : yes, he can win at employing the skills of a junior high school cheerleader. i'll let him win at that game.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:02 am#179 Vince, I am no follower. You want to debate? I am game. I will not spew lame talking points. I would hope you could do the same.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:03 amI am game Vince. Lets see what you have?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:04 amOk, Mark. Nice one. Good doggie.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:04 am#154: So why doesn’t the Left ever speak out against the Iranian government or offer support to the Iranian opposition[?]
I dunno. Maybe it's because the Left has repeatedly spoken out against the Iranian government. After two minutes of Googling:
Recent statements calling the Holocaust "a myth" show how "divorced from reality," Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his supporters are, U.S. Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA)said Thursday.
"President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is an extreme ideologue whose hateful attacks against our ally Israel must be condemned in the strongest possible terms all over the world," the Massachusetts Democrat [John Kerry] said.
"After Ahmadinejad announced his intention to hold a second abominable anti-Semitic conference, the international community spoke again as one with a resounding voice," [Alcee] Hastings [D-FL] said. "And in the few remaining hours of the Congress last December, I authored and was proud to lead the House of Representatives in an unanimous vote to condemn Iran's commitment to hold such a [conference]."
I know, I know. Pesky facts. Don't let them interfere with your prejudices about progressives, Mark.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amI already know JPark's "point"
He's going to say 2 Chron 15:13 says to stone unbelievers, as if it was a religious commandment.
Instead , 2 Chron 15:13 is talking about a historical narrative of events that happened in Judah between the death of Soloman and the babylonian captivitiy.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amVince P sez:
Translation: I can't refute your points, so I'll just continue bloviating about how I have more knowledge than you on the subject (an assertion that is demonstrably false, but that's never stopped me before...)
Disregarding for just a moment the extreme concentration of STUPID in that statement, it's amusing how you've allegedly faced these arguments a 'million times before', and yet you're still powerless to refute them.
Can I buy some pot from you?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:08 amAll Religions are the root of ALL evil... LOL there I started WWIII.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:10 amVince, so it is not applicable anymore? Perhaps a Muslim would say the same about an infidel?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:11 amLOL, TPM, I didn't quite understand that hatchet job on the English language either but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for a few minutes.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:12 amCheck out this video on You Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tNw87A1f3Y
9 MINUTES of unambigious Koranic verses (2 seconds per verse... over 500 in all) stating what should be done to non-Muslims
February 10th, 2007 at 12:13 amAlthough I may be so hungry for a good debate with an intelligent righty (I know, there are about 4 of them) that I am being too soft.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:13 amOK, Vince, watch 5 minutes of the 700 Club. What is your point? All of you religious people are hateful.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:15 amLuke Skywalker,
February 10th, 2007 at 12:15 amWhy then aren't these condemnations of Iran not widely published?
See how Jpark cannnot comprehend. 2 Chronicles 15:3 is not anything more than relating what had happened under the administration of a king. Not one person other than him thinks it's a command, nor have they ever thought it.
Now the 500+ verses which take over 9 minutes to show (2 seconds per verse) in the Koran are quite clear... they are not story, they are proscriptive commands for the Muslim to execute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tNw87A1f3Y
February 10th, 2007 at 12:16 amJPark: i'm laughing at your so-called "debating skills".. thanks for confirming you know nothing.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:20 amSee how Vince rationalizes the call for the deaths of the unbelievers?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:20 am#194: Although I may be so hungry for a good debate with an intelligent righty (I know, there are about 4 of them) that I am being too soft.
You're definitely being soft. I've been trying to debate Vince all night, and he refuses to respond directly to any of my posts. Instead mostly we get wild, inaccurate generalizations about "leftists" and threats of violence.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:21 amLeviticus is not a history lesson, Vince. It is a blueprint on how to live.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:21 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJweJ02Ar0c
This video is pretty good too... watch how some Muslims in our country threaten our rights.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amjpark: that part of bible is talking about a Jewish civil war. Why do you keep lying about it?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amVince, if you are laughing, you are a fool.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amVince P sez:
Hey, Viince...you might recognize this reading from your magic book:
'Unambiguous' enough for you?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:23 amJPark,
February 10th, 2007 at 12:23 amThe Old Testament is a historical record of thr ancient Isrealis. The Koran is instructing Muslims to exterminat Non-Muslims. Big difference. But like all Leftists you don't care. The Muslims are your allies so you support them!
Trip, he is one of those "selective" Christians. He eats lobster, though it will send him to hell.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:24 amI refuse to get into a Bible debate. That's Islam-Avoidance Tactic #1.
Address my points about Islam by discussing Islam.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:27 amI'm so dissappointed in you all.... really not what I intended when I gave you free will... I thought you'd be smart about it all instead of being stupid... thought you'd realise that your only salvation is to help each other out during your stay in purgatory.... but, it is your choice to be stupid...so, I say to you... Enjoy the hell you're creating on this level... Good Luck, and I Bless!
February 10th, 2007 at 12:27 am#196: Why then aren’t these condemnations of Iran not widely published?
It must be because the "liberal media" want Americans to think that only Republicans oppose Holocaust-denying idiots like Ahmadinejad.
I haven't a freaking clue. Why don't you ask the editors at USA Today why they published Bush's remarks about Iran's stupid Holocaust-denying conference without noting Kerry's, Lantos's, or Hastings's? I'm sure they'll have a fascinating reply that will make you feel much better.
Interesting how you've already moved the goalposts back. Before, you were asking why the Left "never" speaks out against the Iranian government. Now, you're asking why these condemnations aren't widely circulated.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:27 am#207 Ok, there. Yep, pigs were taken over by demons and driven into the sea. Shut up, already.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:27 amLOL, Vince, of course you do because you know your book is no better than theirs.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:29 amNo, Vince, address your own bullshit. Their bullshit is weak. Why is your bullshit any more superior? Or less violent?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:30 amIf you are going to attack a religion you had damn well better be able to defend your own.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:31 amJPark sez:
That's a big no-no...someone as secure in their faith as Vince should know that you can't pich and choose what parts of the Bible you like and which you don't. After all, if Christians could do that, Muslims could too, so all his ranting about verses in the Koran preaching death to infidels would be irrelevant.
In case Vince is reading this, here's a few reminders that the Bible is an all-or-nothing proposition:
February 10th, 2007 at 12:31 am
Vince P sez:
What a fscking joke. Vince can preach all day about how evil Islam is, but he's unwilling to defend his own magic book.
Not much of a Christian, are you?
Vince, you're a fraud and a joke.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:34 amTPM, great resources!!!
February 10th, 2007 at 12:35 am#206: The Old Testament is a historical record of thr ancient Isrealis.
So, all the religious leaders who cite passages from the Old Testament as ways of telling us how to live--they're just citing a "historical record"? So we can ignore all the moral laws and codes (the Ten Commandments, for example) until we get to the New Testament? That's absolutely stunning, Mark.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:35 amLike I said, I been discussing this for years.
IT NEVER FAILS. The subject is ALWAYS changed to the Bible. You will never address the issue. There is something so profound in your minds that prevent you from going near it.
Some Muslims are striving to kill you and your families in the most real terms and they are doing so because of thier devout religious piety and love for thier God.
You refuse to even look into that.
What causes such craven self-hatred.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:35 amThis isn't about me. What sort of logic are you using?
Islam is what it is no matter if I was born or not.
You're not invalidating my message because the truth I'm saying has nothing to do with me. It has to do with other people.
So these silly swipes at me only prove that you don't have any information that can factually dispute my contentions.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:38 amVince, you can't defend the violence in the bible. Why do Muslims have to defend violence in the koran? Hypocrite.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:38 amWhat causes such craven self-hatred.
Comment by Vince P — February 10, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Perhaps a question you should examine more closely Vince, I think you know what I mean......
February 10th, 2007 at 12:40 am>Why do Muslims have to defend violence in the koran? Hypocrite.
I never said they had to defend anything. Liar.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:40 amJPark sez:
Thanks, JPark. Debunking rabid Christofascists is one of my hobbies. ^_^
Luke Skywalker sez:
Stunning, and demonstrably false. See post #215 for details.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:42 am#223 What??? You were just saying Islam was the root of all evil!!!
February 10th, 2007 at 12:43 am>Not much of a Christian, are you?
I never claimed to be one.
Thats your preconception and your need to stereotype.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:43 amVince, thanks for showing us what a disingenuous troll you are.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:45 am#219: IT NEVER FAILS. The subject is ALWAYS changed to the Bible. You will never address the issue. There is something so profound in your minds that prevent you from going near it.
Dude, you're trying to make the case that Muslims are inherently violent because their holy book preaches violence. I assume you're also saying that Jews are not inherently barbaric, right? (Actually, maybe I'm wrong on this point--you did, after all, talk about how much you enjoy "disemboweling" "so many Palestinian women, children and civilians".) It makes sense, then, to compare the two books to see if your argument holds water--to see if the Koran uses violent rhetoric that isn't present in the Old Testament. To say the least, you haven't made a very persuasive case. In fact, you've made yourself look like a psychotic, homocidal moron.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:46 amGood night.
Try to get some facts so that you can argue in a way other than just foaming at the mouth with invective. pathetic.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:47 amVince P sez:
Pity that you haven't improved in all that time...
So, you ought to be used to it by now. As JPark said, if you are going to attack a religion you had damn well better be able to defend your own. Failing to do so makes you a hypocrite of the basest order. You seem to be comfortable with that. However, this means you have no grounds for objection when we dismiss you.
Projection.
See post #205, as you obviously haven't read it yet.
More projection...typical of the rabid Christofascist. Sad, really.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:48 amAh, I see my mistake. I mistook Vince for that other guy. My mistake, and my apologies. But my basic argument still stands.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:48 amExterminate Muslims! genoc ide is he solution. Slobadon Milosevic was the man!
February 10th, 2007 at 12:51 amAny of you fu(kwits want to debate me?
I did not think so.
Typical lefto-fascists.
All blow and no go.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:52 amVince P sez:
I call bullshit. From one of your earlier posts:
Apparently the Progressives always take the side of the barbarians when it comes to the enemies of the Israel or America.
I attribute that to hatred of יהוה.
You're obviously either Christian or Jewish...and the one thing that both faiths share is the Old Testament...you know...the one you persist in ignoring, and which you refuse to defend.
You stand exposed as a hypocrite and a liar...again.
May יהוה have mercy on your soul.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:55 am#229: Try to get some facts so that you can argue in a way other than just foaming at the mouth with invective.
Like this crap, for instance?
you’re the typical clone, saying nothing that hasn’t been perseverated a million times by your just as dumb comrades
Apparently the Progressives always take the side of the barbarians when it comes to the enemies of the Israel or America.
Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology. Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:56 amThe debate has now ended lefto-fascists.
Thanks for playing.
Better luck next time.
You lost. Vince and I won.
Bye Bye.
If you ever need argan, let me know. I will get you one off of the battlefield with the Palestinians. I will give you a good price for you provide an excellent arena for me to show my debating skills.
Again, thanks for playing and better luck next time.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:57 amSee post #205, as you obviously haven’t read it yet.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — February 10, 2007 @ 12:48 am
As I think Barney Frank said, "I can read it to you but I can't understand it for you"
February 10th, 2007 at 12:59 amorgan donor sez:
No thanks, organ donor. you showed yourself to be incapable of rational discussion about the time you identified yourself as a "Mossad agent" and started threatening other posters with your "meathook".
Go to bed, "organ donor"...it's past your bedtime, and I know you don't want to miss your Saturday morning cartoons.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:00 am#236: You lost. Vince and I won.
You're right, dude. You are sooooo smart. That business about disemboweling women and children? That was a brilliant debating strategy if ever I saw one.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:00 amOrgan donor, next time you're on the battlefield why not pick up a frontal lobe - or two - for yourself?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:01 amOrgan donor. I am hoping that organ isn't the brain. I am pretty sure if I had a stroke and was reduced to babbling, incoherent sentences it would be an improvement over what you have to offer.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:06 amVince is full of something. I haven't seen any facts trickling out though.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:07 amVice President Cheney knows. He and the War Profiteers are counting on it.
They might even be salivating at the prospect of 20 - 30 years of armed conflict, costing trillions upon trillions of dollars, all going to line their pockets.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
February 10th, 2007 at 1:08 am#238 It is pretty hard to debate someone who is wholly delusional and not very bright. Kerry did a nice job at it but I can't imagine I would.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:09 amAttention, TP Staff:
Please procure a few more trolls for this thread. It looks like "Vince P" and "organ donor"`are broken.
Sorry.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:12 amVince P, Im sorry for your butt. It must be aching so much with all the ass kicking tonight.
You said you have been discussing this over years with your leftist friends: who are they? The KKK? Or iranians in Iran...yeah, sure. They probably wave a scimitar when they speak to you, right? Poor puppy, you sound so scared.
Last time I checked it was Israel who has killed more arabs.
Last time I checked it was Israel who has an unknown number of nukes and unwilling to clarify this.
Last time I checked it was Israel who has vetoed more UN resolutions than Iran, North Korea and Venezuela together. I guess the axis of evil has to be nukeless in order to be really evil, right?
Last time I checked it was Israel who decides the amount of money that Palestine government receives.
Last time I checked it was Israel having the fishing resources of Palestine.
Last time I checked it was Israel invading Lebanon and bombing a UN office.
And I dont hate jewish people. I just dont accept unjustice.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:13 amStill waiting for you liberals to comment on William Arkin?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:24 amJuan C,
We have reason to believe there are Iranian and Iraqi insurgent spies operating in and about this site.
This is why I am here. And I thought what the hell, I might as well start commenting while I am here. You are absolutely right. This is common public knowledge. I could shock you with what is NOT public within the Israeli government and military operations.
Your list is " very weak " indeed. I am glad to see that is ALL you have seen or have knowledge of. This means, that our Mossad has been very effective at dis and mis information.
I also believe you are a communist sympathizer and a coward. The Communists and their philosophy has killed millions of Israelis over the years. I would think nothing of disemboweling another common commie with my meathook fu(kwitless.
Don`t fu(k with Mossad ass-winder.
Last time I checked it was Israel who has killed more arabs.
Last time I checked it was Israel who has an unknown number of nukes and unwilling to clarify this.
Last time I checked it was Israel who has vetoed more UN resolutions than Iran, North Korea and Venezuela together. I guess the axis of evil has to be nukeless in order to be really evil, right?
Last time I checked it was Israel who decides the amount of money that Palestine government receives.
Last time I checked it was Israel having the fishing resources of Palestine.
Last time I checked it was Israel invading Lebanon and bombing a UN office.
This is all you know?
HaHaHa
You "know" so little you " silly little communist " as Jackie Kennedy said of Lee Harvey Oswald. I guess that little red headed fu(k John Kennedy FINALLY got his just desserts.
Poof! He was gone. Courtesy of what is now called.... Mossad.
NOW you finally KNOW something newsworthy.
-Your Neighborhood Mossad Agent
February 10th, 2007 at 1:26 ammichael sez:
"Still waiting"? This is the first time you've mentioned him on this thread, genius.
Also, (I have to ask)....relevance???
Go to bed, michael...you're overtired.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:32 amI don’t think Bush really knows either.
As a non-Republican myself, I am all for bombing the shit out of the ENTIRE middle east. Kill everyone over there. They are all religious radicals - every one of em. Some are violent, some are just insane. They all need to be stopped.
Comment by Anonymous By Choice — February 9, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
Funny...the terrorists apparently feel the same about America. Oh, but I get where you are coming from. As long as it's the Americans doing the bombing and the killing, it's A-OK by you.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:37 amIt's simply amazing the amount of trouble making Isreal, and the Cold War caused after WW2. Really makes you wonder if the isolationists were right and if the world would have been a better place if Germany rulled Europe and the Ottoman Empire stayed intact.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:39 amComment by Palestinian Organ Donor
February 10th, 2007 at 1:40 am
Once the surge finishes off the insurgents, keep about 20,000 troops in Iraq, and march the rest to Tehran.
Comment by firehead — February 9, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
That one statement proves without a doubt what an idiot you are. 130,000 troops (give or take 10,000 or 20,000) have been fighting the insurgents for almost 4 years. A group of insurgents that our local paper recently said numbered in the "several thousands."
Are we winning? Well, it depends on who you ask. Recently that question was asked of the following three people. Their answers:
Bush: Yes, we are winning.
Robert Gates: We are not winning.
Tony Snow: Are we winning? I don't know. How do you define winning?
It's also telling that you make reference to "insurgents" and not "terrorists." You know, the 7% or so that make up the enemy. We invaded Iraq. The Iraqis want us out. You blame them for that? I'm sure if an enemy invaded America to capture and put Bush on trial, I'm sure you'd just lay down your guns and be hauled away peacefully. Right?
Bush said we'd leave if the new Iraqi government asked us to. They asked. Yet we are still there.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:47 am"#
michael sez:
Still waiting for you liberals to comment on William Arkin?
“Still waiting� This is the first time you’ve mentioned him on this thread, genius.
Also, (I have to ask)….relevance???
Go to bed, michael…you’re overtired.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — February 10, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Trip, nothing to say in his defense?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:55 am"Funny…the terrorists apparently feel the same about America. Oh, but I get where you are coming from. As long as it’s the Americans doing the bombing and the killing, it’s A-OK by you."
No, except for oil, they contribute very little to the existence of this planet. They are all expendable!
February 10th, 2007 at 1:58 am*yawn*
Comment by Juan C —
Because I have hit a nerve and you know I am right.
You and that Karl X are both Chavez commie supporters and confidants.
Just admit it.
Just what I thought NO NUTS Chavez/Palestine/Iran follower and lover.
Whatever Hugo Chavez/Iran supporter and ANTISEMITE!
To hell with you heathen.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:00 amThey are all expendable!
Comment by michael — February 10, 2007 @ 1:58 am
As if you contribute anything to this world. Bonehead.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:02 amorgan donor = rachel b.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:21 amCan I buy some pot from you?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — February 10, 2007 @ 12:08 am
What flavor would you like and how much would you like?
I have some friends in the Mossad that finances their operations with the sale of narcotics.
I used to use a long time ago and they always had the best shit around ( in the world). They import from the Netherlands. They are still heavily involved in the trade of narcotics and weapons.
Anything you want. I am sure they would either have on hand or could get within 24 hours.
I could just grab you a 10 lb. bale next time I go visit them for their weekly briefing if you like. Free of charge. 10 lbs. is nothing when you are dealing in 1000`s of pounds at a time.
They have a virtual drug warehouse. Anything you want they have it or like I say can get it in 24 hrs or less. Chances are VERY GOOD they have whatever a person could want IN STOCK.
But what flavor?
February 10th, 2007 at 2:25 amscrew loose = rachel b.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:12 amTP you better post a full transcription or a full videotape or none of this is factual.
It is merely an elementary faux attempt at forcing things to become your reality which the sane people of the world will not allow to happen.
I like that idea. Alot.
I want you freaks to stay away from my family and all sane individuals in the world.
I wish there was a way to either deport you, or my favorite, systematically exterminate the registered democrat voting base.
I Mean the records are all there. It would be a fairly simple matter to round all of these democrats up and systematically exterminate them and their families.
A school lunch program could be implemented for the children.
In areas over 70% registered democrat, aerial bombardment of chemical weapons would work nicely to thin you antiAmericans out.
Then this country could once again live up to her full potential and birthright. Without the constant espionage attempts by you leftist fascists. And the poisoning of our childrens minds with this insane notion that America should take care of the world.
One big welfare state.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:22 amYou are modern day communists.
One and all.
Yet another unfounded claim by the left wing. I believe in the old addage †You are what you eat â€
In TP posters case this can be read †You are what you read here at TP â€
No wonder you all look and smell like bullshit!
February 10th, 2007 at 3:36 amnytimes:Iraq bomb iran made
February 10th, 2007 at 4:15 amnytimes:Iraq bomb iran made
Sorry, but color me unconvinced. Let's see what kind of evidence is released, first. Does Curveball ring any bells? The NYT was convinced of his claims as well. Their track record at debunking administration claims is horrible.
February 10th, 2007 at 4:33 amnytimes:Iraq bomb iran made
Brought to you by the same crew who told us they knew where the WMD were, in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
They also knew that the trucks were mobile chemical labs.
They also knew about Iraq's nuclear program.
Now they want us to believe they know where those bombs come from. How convenient that the evidence always points at one of the members of the Axis of Evil.
February 10th, 2007 at 4:44 amTheir track record at debunking administration claims is horrible.
Comment by Barfly
So is TP`s.
February 10th, 2007 at 4:45 amHow convenient that the evidence always points at one of the members of the Axis of Evil.
Thats why they are called that frontal labotomy candidate # 1
February 10th, 2007 at 4:47 amHow convenient that the evidence always points at one of the members of the Axis of Evil.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 10, 2007 @ 4:44 am
Thats why they are called that frontal labotomy candidate # 1
February 10th, 2007 at 4:48 am269 + 270 = A truthful blend of reality and common sense.
Obviously this Gregor Samsa posesses neither.
February 10th, 2007 at 4:52 amVince P; & trolls: we leftests are NOT defending Iran, we are trying to prevent our 'decider' from doing something REALLY STUPID.
The greatest threat to world peace is the Bush administration.
February 10th, 2007 at 4:53 amThe funding for the coup was stolen by DOD Comptroller Dov Zakheim in advance of 9/11. He stole $7 trillion and sent it to Israel.
Why do you think Cheney has no fear of Congress cutting off funding for the Crusade?
Arrest David Rockefeller - they all work for him.
It’s time to raise the level of discourse where the term “Conspiracy†is concerned:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/ intell/ library/ reports/ 2005/ franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm
We’ve all been conditioned to snicker and ridicule when non-professionals offer theories about conspiracies. It’s time to talk about all of these theories and unravel the whole thing.
The Abramoff, AIPAC and Libby Trials are ALL THE SAME CONSPIRACY:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
Cheney sent Ledeen to meet with Ambassador Mel Sembler in Italy to plant the forged Niger document.
COINCIDENTALLY…
Mel sembler heads up Scooter Libby’s Legal defense fund
AND
Despite the fact he’s a lifelong Republican, Sembler held a fundraiser for Lieberman in Palm Beach - in coordination with Rove and the WH.
Connect ALL the dots…
Lieberman is now assigned the task of protecting Chertoff.
How does McCain factor in?
A New Jersey-based investment banker deeply involved in fund-raising efforts for the 2004 Republican convention, Lewis Eisenberg, is signing on with Mr. McCain. Mr. Eisenberg is a former Goldman Sachs partner who served as chairman of the Port Authority board at the time of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
It was Eisenberg who passed the $15 billion Asbestos Liability represented by the Twin Towers onto Larry Silverstein, the man who confessed publicly to having Building 7 “PULLED†by explosives – despite the fact that no plane struck it:
Pull the entire thread and don’t stop pulling.
The Asbestos liability belonged to Halliburton, having acquired it along with his acquisition of Dresser.
GW included the issue in his State of the Union speech in 2005:
“To make our economy stronger and more competitive, America must reward, not punish, the efforts and dreams of entrepreneurs. Small business is the path of advancement, especially for women and minorities, so we must free small businesses from needless regulation and protect honest job-creators from junk lawsuits. (Applause.) Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims — and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year.â€
FULL CIRCLE.
Jay Rockefeller is going to "investigate?" Uh huh - sure he is.
February 10th, 2007 at 5:57 amYou are modern day communists.
One and all.
Comment by gullivers travels
You bet I am.
February 10th, 2007 at 8:52 amListen, you b*stard Vinnie P.Mr Putin is telling your Chimpy not to play stupid idiotic games in the middle east or both will transform your beloved Chicago into some sort of concrete microwave oven.
The democrats are a bunch of cowards and demagogues.
At least the little tiny russian president has some balls to show your b*stard in chief the way to global stability.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1053774820070210
February 10th, 2007 at 8:59 amThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
Comment by Vince P — February 9, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Pointing out the corruption of Bush and Cheney is NOT an attack on America, as those two crinimals do not represent America.
What's more shocking is the extent you will go to support people who do not represent America. What's that say about you? (Hint: not much).
February 10th, 2007 at 9:38 amSo is TP`s.
Comment by squint eastwood
Ooh. A cheap shot from the cheap seats; who'da thunk it? Back to oblivion with you, Squint.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:16 pmI hadn't taken Darth Cheney for an Apocolyptic type. I had assumed he was just an ego maniacal and greedy bastard.
I'm startin' to think I might have been wrong. He's doing every thing he can to bring on the next world war.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:41 pmHector: I think you spent too much time in Ibiza and now you're perpetually unhappy.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:18 pmUnbelievable: If you may have noticed, I dont go out of my way to support or defend the adminsitration.
Iran is a threat regardless and I'm focused on my enemy, .. i guess you're focused on yours.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:20 pmVinnie, true I'm really unhappy considering a real possibility that your country ruins another sovereign and free country in the middle east like Iran.And owner of a culture and history you only can dream of.
Lil' Hitler Bush has this in his particular agenda.Definitely, I'm unhappy.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:13 pmGulliver - you hateful c*cksucker - thanks for declaring your enemy-of-mine status....I sincerely hope that we'll get a shot at a civil war of our own, so that intelligent, forward-thinking people can demonstrate to you 30%er's that this is OUR country, NOT yours, and that we can and will fight and defend the Constitution (which we are able to read and comprehend on our own, because we are not windowlicking mouthbreathers) against its domestic enemies (that means you and your ilk)
If you had the attention span, you'd have discovered already that a lot of Veterans frequent this site, and have military training and skills (as opposed to ppl like you, who think they've learned something by watching chuck norris movies). Taking on the left for control of this country would be a WAY bigger chore than you believe it to be, but you and your wingnut militia buddies are welcome to give it a try...in fact - I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GIVE IT A SHOT - I'm ready, willing, and armed.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pmVince - you're still hysterical : tell your top bf to slap you back to reason, like they did in the old movies. It'll work, just pretend you're Katharine Hepburn, and he's John Wayne.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:19 pm"Vince, no one here is ‘attacking Americans’ "
Mmm hmm...
"I sincerely hope that we’ll get a shot at a civil war of our own, so that intelligent, forward-thinking people can demonstrate to you 30%er’s that this is OUR country, NOT yours, and that we can and will fight and defend the Constitution"
February 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pm"Vince - you’re still hysterical"
Whatever you say tom.. you're ready for a Civil War because of comment on a message board.
lol
February 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pmHector: Of course you're unhappy. The US wont appease Islamic fanatics. This makes it almost impossible for you to ignore it.
February 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pmVinnie, you are as fanatic as the ones you try (in vain) to demonize.The thing is you consider yourself " the morally legitimate" to kill them.Ya know what....you s*uck
February 10th, 2007 at 2:54 pmVince, I'm ready for a Civil War because, for the last 30 years, I've paid close attention to the fact that vested interests have been dishonestly manipulating the American public, and particular segments of it (xenophobic/jingoistic religious nationalists) with really disgusting consequences. If you'd read Gulliver's post, and didn't feel like taking a shot back at him, then I don't think you have a full appreciation of what it really means to "defend our freedom". If you're really a member of the gay community, you should have a deep appreciation of how tenuous that freedom can be, and what kind of bravery and sacrifice is required to attain it.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:01 pmWhat am I fanatical about? My own defense against the Jihad? Yes I am.
You should be too. You live in Spain. You have to know your country will be facing the jihad too, it's inevitable. Spain was once under Dar al Islam. They'll be coming for Spain with the ferocity they are currently using against Israel trying to reclaim the land there. What's ironic is that you're probably against Israel. Were Israel to ever fall, the sense of justification in Islamic circles will go through the roof. It only took the Arabs 100 years to go from Arabia to Spain when the religion was founded.
I hope the govt watches you since your loyality is questionable.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:04 pmso vince, you're not familiar with the Red Scare, McCarthyism, or American history generally. as far as your islamic empire argument is concerned, if we want to fo all the way back to the first millenium a.d., we can find examples of many failed imperial enterprises of all kinds. you are dishonestly cherrypicking true history to make a false argument about the state of affairs that applies today. you are also being hysterical about a threat that is miniscule to you, to us, and to the next generation, and that's all there is to it. life on earth is a very risky proposition at best. be grateful you weren't born in Sudan or Honduras. pissing away the nations wealth and status in light of .00001 odds is just stupid. nothing else. wisdom is far mor important than knowledge. get some.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe funny thing about McCarthy is that HE WAS CORRECT. The fact that his name is still slandered is testiment to the power of the left to control language for thier political ends.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:20 pmOMG!!! Vince you are the moral equivalent of a Salem witch hunter. Do you somehow imagine McCarthy saved America from Soviet domination?? I am now, as I noticed the other smart people were a few threads and dozens of posts ago - ignoring you, in hopes you will decide to take your jibber-jabber elsewhere.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:37 pmtom: only a partisan hack like you can go from taking my statement that says that McCarthy (papers released in the 90s vindicated his allegations), to your screed "Do you somehow imagine McCarthy saved America from Soviet domination??"
Um no, idiot. All I said was his allegations were true.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:52 pmThis is an interesting blog entry from an Iranian who spent some time living in America and is now back in Iran. What's interesting is the part when he mentions that at some schools they start every morning with "DEATH TO AMERICA". It's like Hitler youth, this happens in many other Arab/Muslim countries too. [No, I am not saying Iranians are Arab]
“By the time they are six, Iranian children are already schizophrenic,†a young friend tells me and my friend. “I mean, when we were six, we already knew there were two worlds: one at home and one at school. We knew that we could not talk about what went on at home with our classmates. We knew how to keep secrets. Soon, we understood who we could joke with and who we had to tell that our parents prayed 100 times a day. In school, we had to learn to pray and we would look at each other and laugh. We had to chant “Death to America†every morning, and to pass each grade we had to talk about how much we hated America and how much we loved Mohammad. It’s crazy. That’s why Iranians develop such a good sense of humor. We make a joke about everything.â€
“Are things still that way?†another friend asks.
“I don’t know. It was during the war with Iraq then. It was a more intense time.â€
“Keivan’s niece still has to hate America and pass Koran classes. They don’t chant Down with America at her school, but some schools do. When she was younger they chanted every morning.†Sometimes I think it is good. Knowledge of the Koran means that they do not depend on the mullahs for interpretation. Iran’s youth are much better versed in the ambiguities of the Koran than their parents.
When I am out with children, they do not let me tell people that I am from America. Given the warm response I have received from almost every Iranian I have met, I wondered what they were so nervous about. Now I know: it’s school that makes them worried.
February 10th, 2007 at 5:10 pmThanks Vince,
You just reinforced my belief that Iran is good people and bombing them would be a monumental mistake.
Hurry, now you go find some other mystical sh*t to scare you into hating people you don't even know or understand.
February 10th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWhere did I say to bomb them?
February 10th, 2007 at 5:22 pmVince,
If you hadn't derailed the thread you'd remember that it's about bombing Iran.
Duh?
February 10th, 2007 at 5:43 pmANSWER THE QUESTION
Where did I say to bomb them?
February 10th, 2007 at 6:47 pmWell good, Arnaud de Brorchgrave of the Moonie owned UPI is who we quote when we want a gem. De Borchgrave was head of the Washington Times when Moon was working overtime to put people like Bush and the new right in power. Arnaud now sees that his Frankenstein is not good for the world so he doesn't like him.
De Borchgrave is a main reason we have the horror in the first place. The MF'er.
February 10th, 2007 at 6:50 pmDoes anyone have any twink or preteen sex videos for sale or trade?
My present collection is boring the hell out of me. Trades and cash?
I prefer young boy videos age 4-8 is my age range. Anyone?
I like to seduce them with Fudge Stripe cookies by Keebler.
Hence my name, E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy. I like to play the role of E.L. Fudge, the Keebler elf.
The boys get transfixed with what I say and this is when I make my move.
Email me about your offers.
E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy
February 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pmVince,
If you hadn’t derailed the thread you’d remember that it’s about bombing Iran.
Duh?
Comment by wake-n-bake
Typical maneuver of a defeated debater.
Watch "shaky flake" squirm folks.
Hilarious!!
Shaky Flake? You are a typical democrumb monstrosity.
A boil on Americas ass.
Please consider posting elsewhere?
You add nothing. Nada. Zero to the debate here.
Now go back and visit your grandpa and let him have " his way " with you huh?
February 10th, 2007 at 7:28 pmDoes anyone have any twink or preteen sex videos for sale or trade?
My present collection is boring the hell out of me. Trades and cash?
I prefer young boy videos age 4-8 is my age range. Anyone?
I like to seduce them with Fudge Stripe cookies by Keebler.
Hence my name, E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy. I like to play the role of E.L. Fudge, the Keebler elf.
The boys get transfixed with what I say and this is when I make my move.
Email me about your offers.
E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy
February 10th, 2007 at 7:36 pmA jew reconciled islam, christianity and Judaism. All different part of One organ
February 10th, 2007 at 11:55 pmhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-208619888961779202
Islam is explicitly not reconciled with Jews / Christians.
Qur'an 5:59 "Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?' Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine."
Qur'an 5:82 "You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims."
Ishaq:258 "The Jews used to turn men away from Islam. So Allah said, ‘Many Scripture folk wish to make you unbelievers after you have believed. They are envious. Be indulgent until Allah gives you his orders [to rob them, rape them, sell them into slavery, and murder them.]"
Ishaq:262 "Some Muslims remained friends with Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse." "You believe in their Book [though you don't have a clue what it says] while they deny your book, so you have more right to hate them than they have to hate you."
February 11th, 2007 at 12:06 amIshaq:364 "Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate."
Qur'an 3:67 "Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah."
Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘The Hour [The End Times] will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
Qur'an 33:26 "Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before."
February 11th, 2007 at 12:14 amthere is coding in the Quran like Torah. It has numerical under structure.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:20 amRead "Fazallah Astrabadi and the Hurufis" , And Bezel Wisdon by Ibni Arabi. Exsoteric
meaning do not seem to reconcile but esoterically all three religion do reconcile. Of course, problem is muslim christian and jews take everything literally in their book. So no
end of War and Violence and it will continue until we really dig like meru
foundation has has done in there research. Literal meaning of the scriptures had the least signigicant meaning to the Letterist/Sufis and Kabbalist in Judaism. People see according to the level of spirtual growth.
People who are superficial see the garment, or the body not the soul which his most important ascpect of the text.
For Chrisitan, the literal reading of the Bible leads to Protestantism... for the Muslim, the literal reading of the Koran, the Hadith and the Sira leads to jihad.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:26 amAhmedia sect of Islam belives "Jihad of the PEN/Konwledge" ,Also Bahai
February 11th, 2007 at 12:48 amfaith reconciled all religion which is offshoot of Islam.
had typo on the titles
Fazlallah Astarabadi and the Hurufis
Ibn-Al-Arabi: The Bezels of Wisdom (Classics of Western Spirituality Series)
February 11th, 2007 at 1:00 amI would love Jihad of the Pen. I just dont see that being pursuasive to her more traditional believers, who believe in taking her head off for advocating something that Mohemmed did not.
Muslims are very receptive to teachings that have basis in the core written texts.. the Koran, the Hadith, and the Sira. This is the fundamental challenge the so-called moderates have in countering Jihadism. As Mohemmed was developing Islam it went from being somewhat moderate to intolerant, warlike, and violent against non-believers and the older teachings were abrogated by the newer, violent teachings. Anyone looking for explicit teachings AGAINST Jihad will not find any in the Islamic texts. It makes it very hard to delegitimize the Jihad.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:22 amin order to fight radicalism you have to fight with knowledge. It does not
February 11th, 2007 at 1:46 amhelp if you say you support democracy at the same time we try to dislodge democratic elected governments. We also support auto-cratic ,monarchy in the middle east but selective democracy in few countries. Also disarment
works only if all partys mutually reduce arms. You cannot say to your neighbor you cannot have nuclear technology while you have few thousand nuclear thousands warheards. 500 Billion would be well spent if we spend the money on education ,religious tolerance, promoting democracy and mass information awareness. Fanatics will be there in all religion but violence will not solve it. It may solve it for a while but it will come back to us with might strength.
Kaes: If I were to believe you wanted to fight radicalism then you would actually say things against them instead of being devoted to tearing down your own country.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:51 ami am not tearing anyone. I am pointing out icoherent in policies that causes
February 11th, 2007 at 2:07 amlong term issues. One person cannot fight radicalism like a country and institutions can. We cannot make other people grow up overnight but
we can create the environment that helps them grow. If we impinge on the free will of other people they will impinge on ours. Of course we need to defend us from harm any shape of form . I don't think we are so weak. In martail art the fighting skills are used in only self-defence not going out and causing trouble or invite problesm and fight them later. With power also comes responsibility to use it wisely.
kaes: The United States will never be able to "solve" Islamic radicalism. That's something that has to come from inside Islam. Now if you see my points above, the odds of that happening are very slim because Islam does not allow itself to undergo such radical reexamation. It's a religion about Submission, not questioning, being part of a tribe, anti-individualism.
It's been 1,400 years that this ideology has been on earth, and it's really no different now than it was then. I think it's safe to conclude that Earth wont survive another 1,400 years of this ideology. If it wont reform itself, then it must destroyed.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:35 amhow do plan to destroy a belief. You can only show a better interpertation of the belief or showing him there is more to his belief. Also people in power do not want masses to be librated. Religion has been used as a mnd control tool for ages. Don't think people in power are ignorant, they are using religion also. Also a countires elected officials are not representaton of public opnion. Only 5% of the population may be radical .We cannot harm the 95% because of that. Yes refrom has to come within not from outside. Thats why violence will not reform it. This applies to radicalism in all form in all religion.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:49 amThe percentage of radicals is higher than 5%, but taking your 5% figure as being true... that's 50,000,000 !
I'm not confident the forces of good will make it.
Like you say, it *is* impossible to stop such a decentralized belief.
I rather go out fighting than submit.
(Assuming Jihad will continually be waged as long as the Koran is the basis of a poltical ideology)
February 11th, 2007 at 3:13 amTalking to people like Vince does no good. Vince wants to beleive in a vast islamic conspiracy that threatens us all, no matter how little evidence there is. 9-11 killed less people than an average week of violence in america does. In the past 20 years, slipping in the bathtub has killed about 10 times as many americans as muslims have. Every form of WMD, with the exception of smallpox and nuclear weapons, are, logisitically, incredibly ineffective weapons. Anyone whose looked into the science of them understands this. The psychological fear they create is far more powerful than thier actual effects. Smallpox and nukes both take the scientific and intellectual resources of an actual nation to create, and the idea that a state would risk annihilation by turning over such weapons to stateless, unpredictable and uncontrollable fanatics is so absurd it borders on fantasy.
We're living in an Orwell novel these days, and people like vince are the enabling cattle that trod along blindly, listening to the words of Big Brother and being utterly convinced of thier truth, no matter how many of their lies become apparent. "We know where the weapons are." "We know without a doubt that Saddam was weapons of mass destruction." "The united states faces a grave threat [from men without tanks, planes, long range missles, or an organized army]."
Doesnt matter what Bush says, people like vince will beleive. Dont even waste your time arguing with the guy, he will never under any circumstances admit he or Bush is wrong, or that Bush says things he knows isnt true just to take us into war. His "lets not talk about the violence in my book of fairytales", lets just talk about the violence in the brown peoples book of fairytales, argument shows his complete and utter inability to put himself in other peoples shoes. People like vince who blindly obey what their leaders tell them are basically a perfect example of how the holocaust was able to happen. He's ignorant, probably white trash, and refuses to examine the concept of hipocracy as it applies to his own idealogy and method of thinking.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:05 pmWhitey: Keep your simplemindedness to yourself, it's embarassing.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:13 pmVince - A real easy way for you to "go out fighting" is readily available, or are you already enlightening us from a tent outside Tikrit, where you're stationed with a platoon of our uniformed service people?
g'head - enlist.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:51 pmThe only plausible explanation for the policy of the Bush Administratin in the Middle East is malevolent intent. Discount that possibility and the whole picture is confusing. Consider the possibility of malevolent intent and everything falls into place. So, if you want to be rational as opposed to blindly partisan, you have to seriously consider the possibility that the Bush Administration is driven by malevolent intent.
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