Bush doesn’t say:
At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush’s Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine’s Soroush Shehabi. A grandson of one of the late Shah’s ministers, Soroush said, “Mr. President, I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized.”
“I know,” President Bush answered.
“But does Vice President Cheney know?” asked Soroush.
The president chuckled and walked away.
I wonder what one Iranian bomb will do to Israel?
February 9th, 2007 at 8:40 pmVice President Cheney knows. He and the War Profiteers are counting on it.
They might even be salivating at the prospect of 20 - 30 years of armed conflict, costing trillions upon trillions of dollars, all going to line their pockets.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:44 pmVice President Bush already knows what President Cheney thinks.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThey ALL want war. And the rest of us will be caught in the middle.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:46 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:48 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
Comment by Vince P
You keep saying that — I do not think you know what it means.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:02 pm#6: The extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant.
Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended” the government of Iran?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:05 pmI don’t think Bush really knows either.
As a non-Republican myself, I am all for bombing the shit out of the ENTIRE middle east. Kill everyone over there. They are all religious radicals - every one of em. Some are violent, some are just insane. They all need to be stopped.
The ONLY reason bombing the middle east is a bad idea is because the oil under the ground will burn… and it will burn for a LONG time… and that will do more damage to to ozone that you could possibly immagine.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:08 pmVince P. sez:
Vince, no one here is ‘attacking Americans’ or ‘defending the Iranian government’. Otherwise, your statement is correct.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:12 pmCheney wants this to back fire - to help build more war profiteering funds and to keep the media off the subject of the fact he is a proven treasonist.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:15 pmMy God… it is out there - he commited treason and what has the media been taliking about??? I am sick. I thought treason was punishable by death. And because of all the illegal spying Cheney is able to blackmale and threaten Congress to vote his way.
Of course bombing on Iran won’t backfire. You know what will backfire? Allowing Iran to get nukes and “wipe Israel off the map” as they made it clear they will do. I don’t care if it’s his last day in office, I want Bush to attack Iran. Once the surge finishes off the insurgents, keep about 20,000 troops in Iraq, and march the rest to Tehran. We are in position to strike. Or at least bomb them heavily. They are beggin’ for it.
And if you pacifist peacenick hippies don’t like that, move to Canada. We don’t need you anyway.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:16 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant. - Vince P
February 9th, 2007 at 9:22 pm*******************************
Choke on it Vince.
Various comments denying reality:
“You keep saying that — I do not think you know what it means”
“Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?”
“Vince, no one here is ‘attacking Americans’ or ‘defending the Iranian government’. Otherwise, your statement is correct.”
Reality:
“My God… it is out there - he commited treason and what has the media been taliking about??? I am sick. I thought treason was punishable by death. And because of all the illegal spying Cheney is able to blackmale and threaten Congress to vote his way.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:22 pm“
Comment by firehead
If people like you were kept in prison in the 1920s and 1930s in Germany instead of being let out to continue on to become nazis then WWII would not have happened… maybe that should be a lesson to us putting up with this crap.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:23 pmThe polls have it 70% to 30% peacenicks. IT COULD GET PRETTY LONELY IF YA GET YOUR WISH.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:24 pmFirehead: The Regressives here are allied with Iran, so it offends them greatly when the US doesn’t grovel to the Mullahs.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:25 pmAnd that goes for you to Vince P. All you extremists belong right next to the blind sheik in prison.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:26 pmHey firehead, enlist or go F-CK yourself, okay?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:26 pmah the hateful Leftists are now on a roll.
Froth traitors, froth!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:29 pmLet’s get something straight. Iran is NOT building a nuclear weapons program so they can throw it and their lives away by launching missles into Isreal. They are building a weapons program for the same reason every other country that has them or wants them is. As DEFENCE, not offense. They want everyone else to see they have a d**k now too. So what if they have nukes! So does Isreal, Pakistan, and India. If Isreal was so worried about Iran they would bomb them themselves. Isreal doesn’t need the U.S. to do that. Isreal is by far the most powerful country in the Middle East and don’t need our help defending themselves.
I am so sick and tired of Republicans being such cowards. Their afraid of everything. They are all hidding under their desks, curled up and wetting themselves, and they want everyone else to do the same thing. ‘Oh no! the terrorist don’t like us’. ‘Bin Laden thinks were weak’. I don’t care what Bin Laden or any person that thinks like him, thinks of me, or my country. I am not going through life scared of some fools who are to cowardly to do their own dirty work. Let the Republicans continue to be the nillys. As Sen. Web pointed out, if you Republicans can’t find your way, then the Democrats will show you.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:30 pmWell said Bill from Dover!
Bravo!
Could not have said it as well myself!!
Kudos!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:30 pmfirehead
Hippy I am not… With the history of all the LIES how can you believe one word from this proven criminal treasonist murderous administration? You have got the fear boy….
I want real leadership to stand up - maybe next week in Congress we will see this.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:31 pmDallas proves he knows nothing about the eschatology of the Iranian government. He proves that he talks only from his own Wishful Thinking.
Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology. Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:33 pm“Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?”
Or attacked Americans?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:36 pmI wonder what one Iranian bomb will do to Israel?
Comment by Vince P
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Probably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:43 pm“Could you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?â€
Or attacked Americans?
Comment by paland
Bill Clinton is a prime example. Look at who`s watch all this bullshit started under.
Bill ” Blowjobs are more important to me than the defense of my country and it`s people ” Clinton.
>And that goes for you to Vince P. All you extremists belong right next to the blind sheik in prison.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Hey fu(kwit?
learn the fu(k how to spell first before making such a pathetically stupid staement like this.
Since you are probably, no surely, too stupid to spot it yourself, here it is:
you to Vince P
to?
TOO! You Fu(kWit! With a capital C!!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:44 pmAnd this is how President Bush has conducted his personal style of diplomacy from the onset of his miserably disgusting adminstration. It’s like Circus of the Absurd or a really dark Fellini movie, but without the cool costumes or good acting.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:46 pmLooking at some of the above comments, I see some making mention that the liberals and leftists should maybe head to Canada. Actually, since the liberals are in the majority the fascists are the ones who should start thinking of making the move, instead. Bye, bye- Don’t let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya. You are a bunch of bed-wetting cowards who couldn’t punch your way out of a paper sack. Otherwise, your arguments would hold more promise and make more sense. Your cause is lost and your tomorrow’s are uncertain. Get a job. Stop being a drain on society.
JPV?
Fu(k You Fu(k witless
February 9th, 2007 at 9:46 pmCould you do me a favor and find one example of a prominent progressive who has “defended†the government of Iran?
Comment by Luke Skywalk
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Guys, why even bother responding to these simplistic and transparent Straw-Manâ„¢ arguments?
This sort of clumsily dispatched and ham handed BS is merely design to put detractors on the defensive, and derail any prospects of a real discussion.
The best thing to do, IMO, is to ignore these types all together.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmUmmmm folks…..let’s get it straight ok? IT’S ALL ABOUT THE OIL AND NOTHING ELSE! Bush originally wanted blanket permission to invade ANY country in the Middle East that he wanted to but Congress said “NO” and restricted the AUMF (Authorization to Use Military Force) to Iraq and Iraq only. Of course Bush is not satisfied with bringing chaos and destruction to Iraq alone. HE WANTS TO DESTABILIZE THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST AND TAKE THE OIL IN THE PROCESS!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmQuick Vince, hide! The boogie man is in your closet!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI’ll reason with you liberals. Tell me, what’s Chuck Shummer going to do to protect me from Iran getting nukes? What will speaker Pelosi to stop them from wiping Israel off the map?
Please, make me laugh.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pmA real journalist points out their errors.
Hey here is one of my own.
>And that goes for you to Vince P. All you extremists belong right next to the blind sheik in prison.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
Hey fu(kwit?
learn the fu(k how to spell first before making such a pathetically stupid staement like this.
Since you are probably, no surely, too stupid to spot it yourself, here it is:
staement like this.
should read: statement like this
TYPO
February 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pmVince, do you actually read what you post, or do you just string big words together in a futile attempt to sound intelligent?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pm“I know” and “I give a rat’s rear” are two different things.
They don’t know what they are doing.
If they really want no Iranian influence in Iraq, then the Iraqi govt will need disbanded and we’ll have to a find another hard-line thug (like Saddam) to intimidate/dominate the population (again).
Better to face facts. Iraq is mostly SHIA and will likely have a SHIA dominated government with strong ties and/or influence to Iran in the end. This will be true no matter what happens in the next few years.
Just face the facts and start opening the diplomatic channels now.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmProbably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
Comment by JPV
An eerily quiet, nuclear winter sort of peace….
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmSo organ donor, which organ did you donate? Your brain obviously. Clinton didn’t attack any Americans.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmhalos: quick! make silly immature quips and avoid the topic you don’t have the capacity to address.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:50 pmActually Vince the traitor is one of urine;
Ahmed Chalabi, touted by the neocons as the George Washington of “democratic” Iraq, was and is no doubt still quite friendly with the mullahs: such a good friend that he purportedly passed off to them vital U.S. secrets which seriously compromised our intelligence-gathering efforts in Iran.
And besides this Vince P, the neo-cons don’t want any log cabin Republicans. They hate you.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmProbably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
Comment by JPV — February 9, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
JPV?
Fu(k You Fu(k witless
Comment by cool spock explorer
I second that emotion!!
February 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmComment by organ donor
It goes for you also.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:51 pmBill is under some sort of delusion where the Middle East is currently stable.
Lets listen to Bill’s ideas, he knows nothing, but he hates Bush, and that’s good enough for Regressives.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:52 pmComment by firehead
Its called M.A.D.
Incase you missed it that is how we made it through the Cold War.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:53 pmDallas proves he knows nothing about the eschatology of the Iranian government. He proves that he talks only from his own Wishful Thinking.
Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology. Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
Comment by Vince P — February 9, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
Like I said. Scared out of his mind. Ignorance breeds fear. Vince get some help. Stop being afraid. The truth really doesn’t hurt, it’s the deniel of truth that is painful.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:53 pmBy the way, I am not a leftist. But I don’t hold the fact that you didn’t know that against you. It’s that ignorance thing getting in your way again.
organ donor:
Thanks.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:53 pmnot to mention, Vince P, that Plame was working on Iran, you know that agent who some Republican traitor outed?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pmIts called M.A.D.
Incase you missed it that is how we made it through the Cold War.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr
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Yep, a nuclear Iran would most likely have a stabilizing effect in the region.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pmvince, you are much too interesting and hold far too much potential to be taking up allies such as firehead…
you’re one dimensional thinking is disturbing, but firehead is just an idiot, so don’t belittle yourself
February 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pmJet: Keep your gay bashing to yourself.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI thought this was a moving link someone posted earlier.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:56 pm#31- Well, that’s a given. A lot more inhumanity has transpired in the process. Also, this adminstration never banked on the people reacting such as they are. Cheney thought that by intimidating the media he could control news leakage and no one would know what is really happening. He underestimated the resolve of the American people to stand up to bullies and smug, arrogant leaders that care nothing about the “mythical Little people”. Now, people are pissed off and saying “go to hell” for lying to me and treating me like an animal. So, yes, it is about the oil. But, there is also a whole domino effect taking place, as well.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:57 pmWow! The trolls are regurgitating all over themselves tonight! Do they realize that they’ve become the #1 Democratic Party “recruiting tool”??
February 9th, 2007 at 9:57 pmdallas: Well then please tell me how wrong I am and tell me what the Iranian gov believes it must do to meet the requirements for the return of the Imam Mahdi?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:58 pmpreventing nuclear proliferation is awful “hippy” of you professed haters of the left
February 9th, 2007 at 9:58 pmProbably bring peace to the Middle East, for once and for all.
Comment by JPV
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JPV?
Fu(k You Fu(k witless
Comment by cool spock explorer
I second that emotion!!
Comment by organ donor
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LOL! You may not like the comment that I made, but tell me that I’m wrong. Nice comment or not… it is the truth.
And it doesn’t mean I wish for this to happen either. I don’t. I’m just trying to use a provocative statement to illustrate a point regarding the dynamics in the region.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmorgan donor:
Thanks.
Comment by Vince P
Vince has to create moniker (himself) to agree with him.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmYep, a nuclear Iran would most likely have a stabilizing effect in the region.
Comment by JPV
Exactly. Israel will stop attacking their neighbors out of fear of things getting out of control just like America and Russia did.
Then maybe some day both of those undemocratic overly religious and bigoted countries will start signing their own agreements to reduce nukes etc. etc.
Or America could simply take the lead and push for a nuclear free middle east even though that would piss off Israel.
America has more than enough power to make sure Israel doesnt get overrun.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmWow! The trolls are regurgitating all over themselves tonight! Do they realize that they’ve become the #1 Democratic Party “recruiting tool�?
Comment by veritas
Said the Chalabi lover.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:01 pmLooks like the trolls are multiplying…this is what happens when you let them get out of hand.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:02 pmVince is just mad cause the Republicans don’t want him, the Democrats don’t want him, the independents don’t want him, nor do the progressives want him. And BWT Vince, no one is frothing or regurgitating over your ill informed, projectionist, inflammatory bias.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:03 pmAnd it doesn’t mean I wish for this to happen either. I don’t. I’m just trying to use a provocative statement to illustrate a point regarding the dynamics in the region.
Comment by JPV
Bullshit. You are an ANTISEMITE!
Go ahead, go the way of the Nazis.
Your fate is in joint Israeli and American hands.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:04 pmYou are a fool.
And BWT Vince, no one is frothing or regurgitating over your ill informed, projectionist, inflammatory bias.
Comment by Jet Mech
Say that fast 3 times. Heh.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:05 pmFunny comment there Mr. Bill Clinton Assassin Team.
The only problem is that I’m not a “Liberal”. LOL!
I’m an old fashioned “Conservative”. Unlike the “Neoconservetives”, who themselves are really “Liberals” in disguise.
The problem is that feeble minded dupes like you, aren’t bright enough to figure this out though. You guys are merely driven by mindless ideology and not logic.
That is, if you’re even a real person and not a clumsy GOP “Talking Pointsâ„¢” Bot. LOL!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:06 pm#24: Leftists persist in denying Islamic radicals the right to Islamic ideology.
I have no idea what you mean by this, but I suspect most liberals don’t care what sort of ideology a person holds, as long as he or she doesn’t try to blow anyone up.
Leftists persist on projecting their Marxism on people who despise Marx and Leftist.
You mean, like when liberals call Dick Cheney a communist? Yeah, I’m sick of that old line, too. I mean, no matter how much you reason with them, you just can’t get liberals to stop calling poor old Dick a commie.
Leftist must do this or else their entire worldview will crumble in the face of acknoweldging that the religious-inspired Muslims are not swayed by Leftist Anti-Americanism.
Huh?
Oh, yeah–and you still haven’t provided an example of a prominent progressive who has defended the Islamic government of Iran. I mean, since liberals are doing this all the time, it shouldn’t be too hard to find an example.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:07 pmOh, yeah–and you still haven’t provided an example of a prominent progressive who has defended the Islamic government of Iran. I mean, since liberals are doing this all the time, it shouldn’t be too hard to find an example.
Comment by Luke Skywalker
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Yep, I’m waiting too.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:08 pmVince,
If any one were to nuke Israel, it would most likely be someone living right there in Israel, one of the militant groups there who have been oppressed by Israel right there in their own backyard.
Iran knows if it were to nuke any place, it would be their end, they are not even that crazy to push the button ensuring all their population dies. Israel, the USA and UK have the capability to retaliate to any attack against any other ally, with enough nukes on submarines that the only people left alive on the planet are those in the submarines, at least until they surface for air, food, fuel.
The only ones I think capable of preemptively or in retaliation for another “terrorist attack” of nuking another country are you crazy idiots living here in the USA. A bible in one hand, the other finger on the trigger.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:09 pmFirehead, I don’t see you at your local recruiter.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:10 pmI never thought it possible. Someone who’s more delusional and a bigger stupid idiot than Vince P. I give you, firehead!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:10 pmThese videos are very moving too.
Iranian Guardian Council Secretary Jannati: Like Israel, America Is Weaker than a Spider Web
http://switch5.castup.net/ frames/ 20041020_MemriTV_Popup/ video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1261wmv&ak=null
Iraqi Ayatollah Ahmad Al-Baghdadi Talks about the Annihilation of America, Muslim Conquest of the World, and Declares His Support of Nuclear Bombs in the Hands of Muslim and Arab Countries
http://switch5.castup.net/ frames/ 20041020_MemriTV_Popup/ video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1135wmv&ak=null
February 9th, 2007 at 10:11 pmorgan donor sez:
And there it is. Talk about Israel long enough, and some wingnut will pull anti-semitism out of his ass.
Thanks, organ donor, for once again displaying the willful ignorance of the right.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:11 pmCheney is assuming that he can ride a camel through the eye of a needle. He is in for a disappointment.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:12 pmIran knows if it were to nuke any place, it would be their end, they are not even that crazy to push the button ensuring all their population dies. Israel, the USA and UK have the capability to retaliate to any attack against any other ally, with enough nukes on submarines that the only people left alive on the planet are those in the submarines, at least until they surface for air, food, fuel.
Comment by LeftyFromDenver
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Yep, pretty obvious. Hence, why the motivations of anybody advocating an attack on Iran is quite suspect, to say the least.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI wonder what ignorant log cabin republican troll will do to a thread?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
ROTFL!!! Sorry, Im late…
February 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pm#71: I give you . . . firehead!
Would you mind taking it back?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pm#1 Vince P.
I wonder what one Iranian bomb will do to Israel?
Considering that Israel has over 100 nuclear weapons and Iran has zero, and also considering that Israel has already drawn up plans for an attack on the Natanz uranium enrichment plant and has been doing practice runs for it for a couple of years now, that seems like a silly question.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:18 pmSpudge, you hit the nail on the head. Those righties yelling anti-semitism have no problem smearing Arabs…meaning they are anti-semetic.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pm#72: Thanks for the broken links, Vince. Very moving indeed.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pmDoes organ donor realize that the term SEMITE INCLUDES ARABS.
So, you pro-Isreali, anti-Arab folks need to learn what the true meaning of anti-Semite means.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
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Yep, you’re totally right. Yet these people, who don’t even fully understand the history or dynamics in the region, see fit to advocate the extermination of perhaps countless hundreds of thousands of people. IMO, they are nothing but mindless and sick sociopaths.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:22 pmhey juan, did you read my long winded response to your “the european left”? i’m not sure it got posted…..
February 9th, 2007 at 10:22 pmVince P. This is so easy. The leaders of Iran (the ones who claim to be religous) do the exact same thing that every other religous leader (ex. United States) does. They tell wild stories and warn of the coming savior so as to get the masses foaming at the mouth, ready to kill, or be killed in the name of God. This story is as old as man, and it is done for the same reason as it has always been done. POWER. Are there any major religous leaders anywhere in the world who aren’t wealthy? Who don’t hold a great deal of sway in the political arena? Look who has the real power in Iraq. It’s not the President, it is the religous leaders. The ones who send others off to blow themselves up while they sit back and get the power and glory. None of these religous leaders really believe what they say ( Ted Haggert).They aren’t stupid. They know they have a great racket going on. That is why the Iranian leaders aren’t going to bomb anybody. They have to good a thing going on.
Besides I really haven’t seen anyone, or anything that looks or acts like the Dajjal. When I do then I might become worried. If I where you though, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:26 pmThis is perhaps the most depraved thing I have ever seen:
Egyptian Cleric Sheik Muhammad Nassar Tells a Group of Children about Child Martyrdom in the Early Days of Islam
http://switch5.castup.net/ frames/ 20041020_MemriTV_Popup/ video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1185wmv&ak=null
February 9th, 2007 at 10:27 pmSorry, Luke. I was just bestowing him with his new title.
You ever hear the saying, “it’s easy for a smart person to act dumb, but virtually impossible for a dumb person to act smart?” It’s the tell tale sign of a most trolls here. The only thing worse is that there are women dumb enough to let themselves to be inseminated by them.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:29 pmThe extent leftist go to to attack Americans and defend the Islamic government in Iran is repugnant. -comment by Vince P
Saddam Hussien and his Sunni regime was Iran’s biggest competitor/strategic threat. We gave Saddam weapons so he could fight Iranian influence. Now you dumb inbred cowf$cking gunhumpers just turned the keys of Iraq and all its resources over to Iran. Sounds like you guys are doing more favors for Iran that we ever suggested.
Vince, your a real bright guy, its obvious you understand things like “the law of unintended consequences”… care to tell us how many of the political parties in the current DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Iraq have strong ties to IRan?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:29 pmFear (Vince P, firehead) is so good for business (Bush & Cheney).
About Israel…The Road to Damascus wasnt written yesterday.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:30 pmi’m not sure it got posted…..
Comment by karlx
It didnt. The only thing that was posted was a PS…
February 9th, 2007 at 10:31 pmThe bad links… sorry about that… they have a weird way of linking in the site.
Of the links previously given,, here are the replacement links that work
1
http://switch5.castup.net/ frames/ 20041020_MemriTV_Popup/ video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1261wmv&ak=null
2
http://switch5.castup.net/ frames/ 20041020_MemriTV_Popup/ video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1135wmv&ak=null
3 http://switch5.castup.net/ frames/ 20041020_MemriTV_Popup/ video_480×360.asp?ai=214&ar=1185wmv&ak=null
Hopefully, there’s no problem with these.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:33 pmantisemite in the context of our discussion asswipe which by the way is your and most progressives stance is anti Israeli.
Nice obfuscation attempt however. Nice try at attempting to maneuver the discussion slightly off key while you ALL stall for answers.
You are all pathetic ANTI SEMITES!
I am Jewish.
I know antisemites when I see and read what they are thinking.
Have you recently interviewed with FoxNews? Your tactics of baldface lying is really in demand over there I hear.
So…..Fu(k you you little antisemite Fu(witless.
With a BIG CAPITAL (
February 9th, 2007 at 10:33 pmdallas: you answered in generalities and platitudes. I’m asking for the specifics of the Iranian govt view since you know it and say I am wrong.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:34 pmJuan C and Karl the Commie X ?
Take your short q&a session offthread somewhere.
We are trying to discuss other more important things here.
Take it to TF
February 9th, 2007 at 10:36 pm91 is for Spudge_Boy
February 9th, 2007 at 10:37 pmVince P:
The ‘replacement links that work’ don’t work.
Well done.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:38 pmLet Iran have a nuclear weapon if they want… who cares? Pakistan has one. Sooner or later Musharaf’s enemies will take him out guess who will have that nuke then? Let the entire Middle East have nukes. If they want to turn each other into glass why should we care? All of this BS about Islamo-facism and kill the infidel who cares? The Middle East belongs to those that live there. If they want to destroy each other let them. Bush helped Iran complete the Shia Crescent. The Iranian mullahs have defacto control over the Shia led (Bush Sanctioned) Iraqi Government. So whats all the fuss about? Israel? They have enough nukes to protect themselves… Take a lesson from China. I dont see the Sunni or Shia radicals attacking them.
“No matter if it’s rogue’s oil or a friend’s oil, we don’t care,” said an energy adviser to the central government who spoke on the condition he not be identified, citing the threat of government disciplinary action. “Human rights? We don’t care. We care about oil. Whether Iran would have nuclear weapons or not is not our business. America cares, but Iran is not our neighbor. Anyone who helps China with energy is a friend.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2005/ 07/ 12/ AR2005071201546_pf.html
Were wasting 3/4 of a trillion dollars; lost 3100+ military personnel; almost broke our military machine all of this and more… FOR WHAT?
ENERGY supplies. Guess what? All these companies lined up signing these great 30 yr contracts in Iraq…. They will be worthless within 3 years. Perhaps they’ll be nationalized before then but I doubt it. Guess which super power won this conflict? China…they didnt spend a penny or fire a single bullet and they won everything we had. Prestiege, Power, Respect. Bushco and his neocons screwed our country. LOL and the Republican Party …well 50+% still support him. Go figure.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:39 pm#84 Vince P.
Yeah, that’s pretty extreme stuff, I’m sure. It would probably have the exact same effect on Iranians if they were to listen to the things that right-wing clowns in the U.S. say (i.e. “nuke the entire Middle East”, “kill all Muslims”). If they ever listened to an hour of Michael Savage or Glenn Beck or the asswipes on KSFO, it’s doubtful that they’d think they could trust Americans. They’d probably think we were all a bunch of hate-filled, murdering psychos. And it’s really just relatively few Americans who are. Unfortunately, someone has seen fit to give them their own radio shows.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pm93
Spudge_Boy this is for you. I am not letting you off the hook that easily.
antisemite in the context of our discussion asswipe which by the way is your and most progressives stance is anti Israeli.
Nice obfuscation attempt however. Nice try at attempting to maneuver the discussion slightly off key while you ALL stall for answers.
You are all pathetic ANTI SEMITES!
I am Jewish.
I know antisemites when I see and read what they are thinking.
Have you recently interviewed with FoxNews? Your tactics of baldface lying is really in demand over there I hear.
So…..Fu(k you you little antisemite Fu(witless.
With a BIG CAPITAL (
Comment by organ donor — February 9, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
February 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pm#90: Your links still aren’t working, Vince. But I suspect I get the point:
Iran = Bad Guy
George W. Bush = Good Guy
Good Guy kill Bad Guy. Problem solved.
Is that pretty much what you’re getting at?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:42 pm#95: If your earlier post was was for Spudge Boy, why do you say, “You are all pathetic ANTI SEMITES” (emphasis mine)? Seems like a pretty broad statement, when there are people who post here from a range of religious and ideological backgrounds.
Maybe you could be more specific and say something like, “I think anyone who disagrees with me is an anti-Semite! And I pull out my Jewish background because I think it gives me authority when it comes to identifying anti-Semitism!”
February 9th, 2007 at 10:46 pmVince you keep bringing up random statements by government officials of Iran as some sort of deluded proof of the intentions of the entire iranian government.
Does that mean that your willing to agree that any quote from any american government official should be used as an excuse for other countries to take violent action against america because of threats that person has made? Do you know someone in our government recently advocated the the military of a foreign country overthrow thier democratically elected government to accomodate our recent battle plans.
Therefore, according to your logic, you are admitting that america supports military coups against legitimate democracies.
How do you feel about that mr flaghumping freedumb luver?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:46 pmorgan donor sez:
WRONG, STUPID. Expressing disagreement with the policies of the state of Israel does not equate to hatred or hostility against the Jewish race, no matter how much you whine that it does.
That’s like saying people who have issues with the United States are ‘anti-christian’, since the population of the country is predominantly Christian.
Get it, dolt?
February 9th, 2007 at 10:48 pmGeez, they make it impossible to share an URL.
Anyway…
http://www.memritv.org
1 - Clip 1261
2 - Clip 1135
3 - Clip 1185
February 9th, 2007 at 10:52 pmIran is a peace loving nation! They’re a great democracy that has more rights than us. The people there enjoy a quality of life we don’t!
February 9th, 2007 at 10:55 pmDictionary definition:
an·ti-Sem·ite
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.
Nothing about the target being a Non-Jew.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:57 pmorgan donor sez:
OK, it’s official. You are completely full of shit.
Thanks for making it so clear, so I don’t have to waste any more time on you.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:58 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitic
Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, racial, or ethnic group, which can range in expression from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution. While the term’s etymology may imply that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, it is in practice used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews. The highly explicit ideology of Adolf Hitler’s Nazism was the most extreme example of this phenomenon, leading to the Holocaust.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:59 pmOh, dear. The trolls have gone bye-bye.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:01 pmi don’t want to give organ donor more attention than deserved; anyhow my comment to juan referenced to a general conversation concerning americans living in a bubble, you certainly seem to fit the bill, sad to see someone so blind with hate as well…
February 9th, 2007 at 11:02 pmHey Vince…it’s funny, but I don’t see the word ‘Israel’ anywhere in your definitions.
Please see post #107 to see why the use of ‘anti-semite’ in this context is bullshit. Kthx.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pmwhat is “tf”?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pmVince P
Thank you for that quick clarification. You are a genuine teammate of ” the cause ”
Thanks again. These Iranian mullah supporters know not what they do let alone hear.
Very sad indeed.
Any friend of Iran is an enemy of Mossad and Israel.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:07 pmName hijacking alert on aisle #110.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:08 pmwhat is “tf�
Comment by KarlX
ThinkFast thread.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:09 pmI believe the poster in 110 is sincere.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:11 pm116: so boring. Do I need to actually state the obvious?
If israel was an arab state none of you would be attacking it, it’s because it’s a Jewish state that you do.
Apparently the Progressives always take the side of the barbarians when it comes to the enemies of the Israel or America.
I attribute that to hatred of יהוה.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pm#110: Iran is a peace loving nation! They’re a great democracy that has more rights than us. The people there enjoy a quality of life we don’t!
Funny thing is–the name hijacking notwithstanding–I don’t doubt, that there are plenty of delusional conservatives who, despite all evidence to the contrary, actually believe that this is a typical liberal viewpoint.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pmokay, now that the guy accusing everyone of being an anti semite is gone, things get real quiet.
vince, i’d like to hear your thoughts on the numerous comments concerning an iranian listening in on some right wing american commentators: “bomb em all” “all muslims are terrosists”etc. You fall fairly silent when these comments come up.
do you see your shortcoming in this respect: we can find violence inciting extremist (in high places) everywhere.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:12 pm#122 If Israel were an Arab state they wouldn’t be oppressing Arabs. Der.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:14 pmBarbarians, Vincy? I consider you one. Should I declare war on you?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:15 pmKarlx: i talk to Iranians in Iran almost every day. Everything I’ve said here has been in regards to the Islamic government.
You’ll have to provide the full context of your quotations, I’m not familiar with anyone speaking like that.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:17 pmJpark: see my comment 6. Thank you for answering those earlier questions.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pm#122: Apparently the Progressives always take the side of the barbarians when it comes to the enemies of the Israel or America.
Hey Vince, I know I’ve asked this twice before, but I just can’t help myself. Can you find us an example of even one prominent American progressive who sides with terrorists against the United States? I mean, there are obviously a lot of them, which is why you’re so wild with rage. So one example shouldn’t be too much of a burden.
I Mossad, will stick a meathook up your ass and disembowel you like we have done to so many Palestinian women, children and civilians. All spys for Palestine. Every one. All killings justified.
You know, if I didn’t know any better, I’d say this sounds an awful lot like the behavior of a “barbarian.” [Note to TP: Feel free to delete.] Thanks for clarifying, though, and making such a compelling case that you’re the one who’s civilized.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pm122 vince
not many people here are going to be arguing for the virtues of the saudi arabian state or turkiey(to name a couple)
it’s incredible that the position of not wanting the U.S. to bomb Iran hence anti Israel hence anti semite! that makes me laugh, abusrd
February 9th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“Can you find us an example of even one prominent American progressive who sides with terrorists against the United States? ”
Keith Olbermann is Pro-Iran!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:20 pm#128 Sorry, I am no fan of Islamists, Christianist or Jewists. You, on the other hand just may be a Christianist.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThat was stupid, Mark.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWhich Muslims do YOU like Vincy? The Saudis? They are funding the Sunnis in Iraq. Your god, Bushy boy, is kinda in their pocket while they kill our soldiers.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:23 pmHe is is a supporter of Iran!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:24 pm#131: Keith Olbermann is Pro-Iran!
Mark, thanks so much for this incisive and cutting-edge commentary. Would you care to provide a link to Olbermann’s pro-Iran manifesto, or cutting and pasting it into a post? Thanks.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:25 pm#135: He is is a supporter of Iran!
Apply, rinse, repeat.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:28 pmMark is a Saudi loyalist!!!!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:28 pm127 vince
February 9th, 2007 at 11:29 pmsorry can’t provide links and quotes, but i have the feeling that George Bush included Iran as one of three nations he called the Axis of Evil. Come on, don’t play stupid.
I miss Chase.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:29 pmVince P sez:
So stupid. Did you even bother to read my post?
Wrong, jackass. We attack it because it is the single most destabilizing influence in the entire world. We attack it because it violates international law with impunity. We attack it because it uses cluster mines and white phosphorus on Palestinian children. There are more reasons, but you get the drift.
Reread what I wrote above, and then tell me who the ‘barbarians’ are.
Spoken like a true zealot. Well done. I’m sure your “יהוה” is proud of you.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:30 pmChris Matthews is pro-Iran and has admitted his admiration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:32 pmTripMaster Monkey,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pmIran commits human rights abuses of Women and Gays. Why no condemnation of Iran?
“The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrorists’ or ‘The Enemy.’ They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win.” — Michael Moore
February 9th, 2007 at 11:35 pmMark, you are what they call “slow”, aren’t you?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#141: We attack it because it is the single most destabilizing influence in the entire world. We attack it because it violates international law with impunity. We attack it because it uses cluster mines and white phosphorus on Palestinian children.
Although I agree with some of what you’re saying, I can’t go along with your acceptance of Vince’s word “attack.” I’m content to criticize Israel’s government for all the reasons you’ve outlined, but with all the crazy crap flying around this page, I want to be clear that I wouldn’t advocate “attacking” Israel in a military sense. I don’t think Vince understands the difference, so I’m clarifying–not trying to sound holier than thou.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pmThe Left supports Iran.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:36 pmVince, what would happen if the Iranians rose up against their elected government. Would you demonize them, too?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:37 pmMark sez:
Why must you neocons always think in such absolutes? You assume that because I speak out against the crimes of Israel, I condone the crimes of Iran?
That’s just plain idiotic, but sadly, that’s what I’ve come to expect from you wingnuts.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pm#142: Chris Matthews is pro-Iran and has admitted his admiration of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!
I dislike Chris Matthews so much I’m tempted to accept this at face value. But I’ll bite: can you provide a link, please, sir? Or are you just going to keep throwing out names until (you hope) something sticks?
Also, I truly hope you’re not citing Chris Matthews as an example of a “progressive.”
February 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pmMy favorite current or former Muslims
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
February 9th, 2007 at 11:39 pmWaled Shoebad
Noonie Darwish
Wafa Sultan
Ibn Warraq
They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow — and they will win.†— Michael Moore
Comment by Vince P
You have a problem with looking at things from a different perspective, don’t you?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:40 pm#147: The Left supports Iran.
This, of course, makes perfect sense. The Left is notorious for supporting radical right-wing governments.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:40 pmTripMaster Monkey,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:41 pmSo why doesn’t the Left ever speak out against the Iranian government or offer support to the Iranian opposition?
L’il Dick has no soul…
…his money and his power to manipulate are all that matters to him…
…he could give less than a damn about how many die…
..in his quest for globalization…
…the destruction of the unionized working poor/middle class…
… dominanated by corporate “privatized” America….
…where the rich industrialist and political blue-blood class has everything…
February 9th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#143
because its off topic?
we officialy condemn the said abuses
now on to u.s./israeli plans to bomb iran: see #141
(vince, you see the company you keep, firehead, mark; embarrassing)
February 9th, 2007 at 11:43 pm>You have a problem with looking at things from a different perspective, don’t you?
Not at all. I acknoweldge thier motivation are those that they say they are. the teachings of the Koran.
Its you folk who deny that.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:43 pmVince, you would be more sincere if you told us which Christianist you liked the most. Robertson? Falwell? Dobson?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:44 pmKarlX,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:46 pmWhat about Ahmadinejad calls to wipe out Israel and America? I guess that’s ok with the Left.
#146 is a very good point
goodnight peoples, gotta two year old waiting to order me around at thebreak of dawn
February 9th, 2007 at 11:46 pmciao
Vince, what is your favorite book in the bible? Genesis? Exodus? Leviticus? I would love to quote some of these to you. Let me know.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:47 pmJpark: the topic is Islam. Address it.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:48 pmI admire Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Sheik Nasrallah and Osama Bin Laden! They’re freedom fighters!
February 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pmVince, my point is Islam is no different from Christianity…address it.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pm#159 Mark, you dumbass. Tell me exactly how much power Ahmedinejad has!! Or don’t you know he is nothing but a figurehead?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:50 pmYah, 163 wasn’t me, of course. I must be winning because the losers have to smear me.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pmmark sez:
Funny…this looks a lot like ’speaking out’.
Of course, Human Rights Watch is notoriously right-wing, isn’t it?
</snark>
February 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pmJpark: so in other words you’re either a deliberate liar or massively ignorant. talking to you gives no value to me. bye.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:53 pm159
o jeez, mark, “okay with the left?” i’m sure most “lefties” would not be “okay” with these rhetorical threats, but i’d hope they wouldn’t be “ökay” bombing the speaker’s nation….
later
February 9th, 2007 at 11:55 pmTripMaster Monkey,
February 9th, 2007 at 11:55 pmWhy no threads at Think Progress condemnin g the Iranian regime?
Too much for you Vince? Poor righty can’t fight against truth, eh?
February 9th, 2007 at 11:56 pmMark: I’m sure they had a thread on Iran once, probably in 2004 to go with the BBC article.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:57 pmCongratulations on your victory over Vince, JPark. You know you’ve won when they have to resort to namejacking to try to gain an advantage.
Let’s just hope he follows through on his last statement and stays gone.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:58 pmIslam preaches wiping out through violence other non Muslims. Christianity belives in forgiveness and loving thy neigbor. Big difference.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#171 What regime would that be. Ahmedinejad? Cause he is kind of a pussy. Nothing but talk. If you want in depth talk about Iran you should look up the democratic push before Bush decided Iran was in the Axis of EVIL.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#175 The bible calls for the stoning of non-believers.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:00 amMark sez:
You’ll have to take that up with the Think Progress editors, Mark.
Let me know when you’re ready to get back on topic.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:00 amJpark: you talk out of your ass. if you knew things about islam and christianity you wouldn’t have said what you did. i been in discussions with leftists for years regarding this issue, you’re the typical clone, saying nothing that hasn’t been perseverated a million times by your just as dumb comrades.
so you’re not going to be a liliputian to me.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:00 am#174 Thanks, TPM, I think it was more likely that Mark was the offending hijacker. I still have hope that Vince is an honest debater, no matter how much I have insulted him. :)
February 10th, 2007 at 12:01 amJPark,
February 10th, 2007 at 12:01 amYour just a Pro-Iran idiot.
Have you read the bible Vince?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:02 amTripMaster Monkey : yes, he can win at employing the skills of a junior high school cheerleader. i’ll let him win at that game.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:02 am#179 Vince, I am no follower. You want to debate? I am game. I will not spew lame talking points. I would hope you could do the same.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:03 amI am game Vince. Lets see what you have?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:04 amOk, Mark. Nice one. Good doggie.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:04 am#154: So why doesn’t the Left ever speak out against the Iranian government or offer support to the Iranian opposition[?]
I dunno. Maybe it’s because the Left has repeatedly spoken out against the Iranian government. After two minutes of Googling:
Recent statements calling the Holocaust “a myth” show how “divorced from reality,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his supporters are, U.S. Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA)said Thursday.
“President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is an extreme ideologue whose hateful attacks against our ally Israel must be condemned in the strongest possible terms all over the world,” the Massachusetts Democrat [John Kerry] said.
“After Ahmadinejad announced his intention to hold a second abominable anti-Semitic conference, the international community spoke again as one with a resounding voice,” [Alcee] Hastings [D-FL] said. “And in the few remaining hours of the Congress last December, I authored and was proud to lead the House of Representatives in an unanimous vote to condemn Iran’s commitment to hold such a [conference].”
I know, I know. Pesky facts. Don’t let them interfere with your prejudices about progressives, Mark.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amI already know JPark’s “point”
He’s going to say 2 Chron 15:13 says to stone unbelievers, as if it was a religious commandment.
Instead , 2 Chron 15:13 is talking about a historical narrative of events that happened in Judah between the death of Soloman and the babylonian captivitiy.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amVince P sez:
Translation: I can’t refute your points, so I’ll just continue bloviating about how I have more knowledge than you on the subject (an assertion that is demonstrably false, but that’s never stopped me before…)
Disregarding for just a moment the extreme concentration of STUPID in that statement, it’s amusing how you’ve allegedly faced these arguments a ‘million times before’, and yet you’re still powerless to refute them.
Can I buy some pot from you?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:08 amAll Religions are the root of ALL evil… LOL there I started WWIII.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:10 am