White House ‘red-faced’ over Rove remark.
By on Feb 9th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
White House ‘red-faced’ over Rove remark.
Karl Rove was quoted telling a group of conservatives he supports President Bush’s immigration policies because “I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas.” ABC reports: “The White House does not deny that Rove made the remark but claims it has been taken out of context. … Rove was not insulting those people in those jobs, the White House explained, he was, according to Perino, saying that every parent wants their child to have a high-skilled, high-wage job.”
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Let's put it in context then: Wouldn't I be a clueless ass if I said, “I don’t want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas?â€
--paraphrasing The Great Jon Stewart
February 9th, 2007 at 8:03 pmOf course the White House ( Now the Blight House) stands by Rove's remarks. The White House has contempt for anyone who can't afford to attend their parties- that's most of us folks. Rove is essentially saying, "let the immigrants do the shit jobs, but don't give them any rights or rewards for it. i.e....find a way to get them to do the dirty work and use the hell out of them." Charmed I'm sure.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:09 pmAfter all, isn't that what clever, chubby, pasty, sleazy, greedy, power hungry white boys do to get the respect of their clever, chubby, pasty, sleazy, greedy, power hungry peers? Yes, it is.
re:#2.......in other words, it is a badge of honor to screw other people in the Republican party
February 9th, 2007 at 8:10 pmSpin, boys, spin. I'd like to see you try to spin your way out of this one.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:12 pmhe was, according to Perino, saying that every parent wants their child to have a high-skilled, high-wage job.â€
And that is the way America is supposed to be. If an immigrant wants to work hard and play by the rules like all of our ancestors had to, then fine a highly skilled high paying job it is.
However, if said immigrant is going to take a low paying job and get free health care, free education, free this and free that, then that is what they CHOOSE to be, just another immigrant.
We all have choices to make as citizens of the United States of America. LEGAL immigrants are no exception.
If you are an ILLEGAL to begin with, well then you take what you can get right along with the chances you take and EARN to attain an ILLEGAL status.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:12 pmYou know, 'Illegals get the hell...' ah hell, that's way too long a handle to type out...I think I'll just call you 'dolt'.
You know, dolt, if you were to rid the U.S. of all illegals, the economy would collapse. What do you propose to do to remedy this situation?
February 9th, 2007 at 8:18 pm"Red Faced" eh? Did the White House say this? Sounds like it. It reminds me of their little framing attempt when they lost Congress..."we were thumped." Awww....how cute! Thumped...sounds like Thumper or some friendly Oxford game of cricket. Minimizes it doesn't it? That's the goal. "Red faced?" Awww....isn't that a shame and cute as well??? People feel sorry for people who's faces turn red...
Afraid not.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:19 pmThe Republicans were not thumped. They were ousted and beaten...badly. As they should have been. They can say "thump" till they drop. And they are not "red faced" They want us to THINK they are red faced so we'll see Rove's piggishness as just an embarressing little slip instead of the bigoted, prejudiced and indecent remark it was. No sale fat boy.
Yes Tripmaster.......dolt doesn't get it.
Republicans: "Get the hell out of my country!"
Democrats: " We are all in essence the same in this world and have to learn to respect each other and live together in peace. "
Big dif
February 9th, 2007 at 8:22 pmRove said exactly what he meant to say. Does anyone really think otherwise? This man, who is known as "The Architect" of GWB's presidency does not speak off the cuff.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:26 pmIf an immigrant wants to work hard and play by the rules like all of our ancestors had to,
Comment by Illegals get the hell out of my country and quit stinkin up the show! — February 9, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Playing by the rules those "ancestors had to" might prove a little complicated.
Killing Native-Americans to take their land is frowned upon nowadays. Let's not even go into the subject of slavery.
Oh, and Pres Bush's policies are partially about facing "the reality that millions of illegal immigrants are already here", and granting them legal status through a guest worker program. New times, new rules.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:28 pmRed faced? Rove's remarks were insensitive and ridiculous....those of a pure simpleton. What until the various congressional investigations get through with them and we'll see how "red faced" they're going to be. That, and Libby's trial which shows that they would stoop as low as outright "treason" against this country itself to implement their diabolical plot and agenda.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:35 pmKilling Native-Americans to take their land is frowned upon nowadays. Let’s not even go into the subject of slavery.
and you answered your OWN question....
New times, new rules.
You make all the sense in the world Gregor.
New times...New rules.
Perfect and spot on.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:37 pmRed faced, "thumpin'-d", and going nukular.....just wait until all the facts come a rollin' in - as they have been each and every day....one more songbird sings the Truth and the people get a bit closer to the day of reckoning of this administration.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:37 pmNew times…New rules.
BULLSHIT!!
February 9th, 2007 at 8:48 pmand you answered your OWN question….
Comment by Illegals get the hell out of my country and quit stinkin up the show! — February 9, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
I don't believe I asked any questions.
My point was simple: Past immigration policies were different. The tired old rhetoric "illegals should get in line like my ancestors did" is inane in that it completely ignores all the legal requirements that have been put in place since.
Also, Pres Bush is offering a guest worker program that would give legal status to those same people you want to "quit stinking up the place". It woud allow them to stay and "stink up the place".
Not surprising, my point went over your head. But thanks for the compliment anyway.
February 9th, 2007 at 8:50 pmFoot in mouth disease is contagious. This administration and the right wing republicans are digging their graves. Keep talking. Try explain yourself. Let's see this thing called politics accelerate and catch fire. YEEEEHAAAAAW
February 9th, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhen will enough Americans awaken to see the rotten, soulless, hideously wicked people that are running this government and demand they be removed?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:21 pmI'll BET the White House is red-faced. About as red as one of those infamous tomatoes, I'll wager you. These smug gents seem to be getting a little nervous. I wonder why? Maybe because they can't remember what story to tell. If they had only told the truth, there would be only one story to remember. The true story. Oh, well. Too bad. So sad! Bye, bye- See you in hell.
February 9th, 2007 at 9:31 pmsince a lot of immigrants are catholic, shouldn't bill donohue be screaming about how the pres has an intolerant hateful person working for him and demand that rove be fired?
February 9th, 2007 at 9:39 pmHopefully soon his 17- year old son will fing out about daddy and
February 9th, 2007 at 9:54 pmJeff Gannon.
Does Big Dick Cheney know that he has been ruthless and unfair during the last seven years? No that's wrong - he's been good for a few, bad for most.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:07 pmConsistency isn't dolt's strong point. Go easy on him.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:08 pmAs usual the MSM has quoted only part of Rove's statement, and then used it against him.
The full quote was "I don't want my son to have to pick tomatoes or make bed in Las Vegas OR TAHOE.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:15 pmOr San Francisco? I don't get it.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:19 pmKarl Rove has a kid that can pick tomatoes and make a bed?
Really?
Has Karl ever met this kid? Is he married, even? Or is this kid a pod person?
Anyway, can't believe Rove would have a kid who could do basic tasks. The overlords must be parenting him.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:27 pm#26 I am thinking he would need a surregate since he would never touch a woman.
February 9th, 2007 at 11:06 pmIt is amazing to me that any female would actually sleep with that smelly turd AND carry his child. Yuk!
February 10th, 2007 at 12:16 amLOL, well, personality is pretty important Manhattanite!! Oh, wait, he is a scummy leach. Sorry.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:26 amMy son picked berries and worked as the veggie boy at our local grocery store. He is now an armor officer with the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq. So, Karl, howabout it?
February 10th, 2007 at 12:53 amStill waiting for you liberals to comment on William Arkin?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:25 am"My son picked berries and worked as the veggie boy at our local grocery store. He is now an armor officer with the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq. So, Karl, howabout it?
Comment by zealander — February 10, 2007 @ 12:53 am"
How about trying to be PROUD of your son?
February 10th, 2007 at 1:30 amTHANK YOU THINK PROGRESS!!!!!! YOU ARE SO EXCELLENT!
February 10th, 2007 at 2:33 amYou are my new number one site. The best. The quintessential way to deal with the DEMONS among us!!!!!!
Post 2.
Of course the White House ( Now the Blight House) stands by Rove’s remarks. The White House has contempt for anyone who can’t afford to attend their parties- that’s most of us folks. Rove is essentially saying, “let the immigrants do the shit jobs, but don’t give them any rights or rewards for it. i.e….find a way to get them to do the dirty work and use the hell out of them.†Charmed I’m sure.
After all, isn’t that what clever, chubby, pasty, sleazy, greedy, power hungry white boys do to get the respect of their clever, chubby, pasty, sleazy, greedy, power hungry peers? Yes, it is.
Comment by s — February 9, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Post 3
re:#2…….in other words, it is a badge of honor to screw other people in the Republican party
Comment by s — February 9, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
WTF? There really are people who talk to themselves here.
February 10th, 2007 at 3:10 amSpooky.
New times…New rules.
BULLSHIT!!
Comment by freebird9 —
I merely repeated what Samsa himself said.
New time, new rules.
Oh and fu(k you with a capital (
February 10th, 2007 at 3:13 amThe privilege and entitlement these folks bask in is made possible by other peoples kids doing everything from harvesting the food to marching off to war.Why they think they deserve high position in a democratic country puzzles me.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:25 amSo how about instead of picking tomatoes and making beds in Las Vegas, the 17 year old son of Rove begin deciding in which branch of the armed services he'd like to enlist. Maybe he'd prefer him to be a Marine heading to Iraq.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:47 amHow on earth could the WH be any more embarrassed? Bush's record for the past six years is a total embarrassment. Rove's comments are a mere piss in the ocean compared to what Bush and his administration have done to embarrass themselves.
February 10th, 2007 at 8:40 amCarl's comment in any context is worse than the one made by Senator Kerry about those serving in Iraq but, isnt it interesting how less atttention is paid to this one. The Whie House Red Faced? I don't think it is possible they are quite like those Nazi's at the Nurenburg Trials they feel no embarrassment because in their minds they are just trying to help plus the people do appear to Love them. Our society must do some serios introspection and morphe away from the sanctification of violence and ignorance before we can see these guys for the idiots they are.
February 10th, 2007 at 8:48 amGood News, Karl:
There are many high paying jobs available for your son in Iraq just as soon as his next birthday arrives. It was revealed just yesterday that there are 240,000 private contractors in Iraq making three to four times the pay of the enlisted grunts who are trapped there until they come home in body bags - thanks to your brilliant "stop-loss" program.
Your son won't have to worry about what he'll be doing for a living, because once you send him into your intentionally-created meat grinder, he won't be.
February 10th, 2007 at 9:00 amThe entire ugly truth about Karl Rove is revealed right here:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
February 10th, 2007 at 9:03 amFirst, who knew Rove had a child? Second, who would sleep with this man? Third, Isn't he gay? Forth, if he thinks his son picking tomatoes is bad, have him try picking up his platoon-mates bodyparts after an IED explodes (this, of course, is purely hypothetical, not that he'll ever see a day's worth of combat).
February 10th, 2007 at 9:31 am#31: Still waiting for you liberals to comment on William Arkin?
Do you post this on every thread? Get a life, dude, and stay on topic.
February 10th, 2007 at 12:20 pmKarl needn't worry. He can always hire the indians to do those chores for him.
Check out my award-winning short comedy about outsourcing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XmOPHEL_3Q
February 10th, 2007 at 12:33 pmConversely, can you point to anyone who said "I want my 17-year-old son to have to pick tomatoes or make beds in Las Vegas"? Otherwise, how can you criticize Rove? It's the expression of parental preference, and the reason many Americans and Mexican immigrants, for that matter, go to work each day, in some cases picking tomatoes and making beds.
There used to be a United Negro College Fund ad that showed a black woman scrubbing floors with her hands so her son could go to college. Damn her and the UNCF for thier Rovian desire that she not want the same for her son!
February 10th, 2007 at 1:46 pmBut, but, but the Republican noise machine says that the "Liberal left" are the elitist snobs who hate Wal-Mart workers and the average American.
Yep. The Republican Party showing contempt for working Americans day in and day out.
-GSD
February 10th, 2007 at 1:54 pmthe Whitey House
February 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmFor once, I find myself in agreement with Rove. He's right, although it's crudely put.
February 10th, 2007 at 4:37 pmIllegals are not just picking tomatoes and making beds today. But
they are electricians, plumbers, brick layers etc which were $20
per hour middle class jobs that the illegals brought down to $9 per hour jobs. Just like the illegals brought down the meat packing jobs from $20 to $9 per hour jobs.
Carl Rove not only knows about it he is responsible for it
February 10th, 2007 at 4:42 pmBut
they are electricians, plumbers, brick layers etc which were $20
per hour middle class jobs that the illegals brought down to $9 per hour jobs. Just like the illegals brought down the meat packing jobs from $20 to $9 per hour jobs.
Hey, it's the free market in action! Shouldn't businesses be free to succeed by cutting their costs? Shouldn't the commodity of labor be subject to free-market competition?
Or would you rather have federal government intervention in the free market to correct the situation?
February 10th, 2007 at 5:07 pmSpeaking as a homeowner that sometimes has to employ electricians, plumbers, etc, I want them to be as cheap as possible for a given standard of work. You know, seeing as it's my money, that I earned, that's paying for them.
February 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pmWhile there is certainly more the White House can be doing to spread opportunity among all classes, I think most Americans understand and agree viscerally with Rove and want the same for their own 17-year olds. Who doesn't?
February 10th, 2007 at 5:46 pmYeah, Karl Rove is fat and he's a big fat meany who's fat and stuff (probably from eating cute fuzzy kittens). I mean we all know for sure he wants to bring back slavery for anyone who's not fat so he can sit around and get fatter.....and we all know he wants to send every minority group (including skinny white folks) to irack to sit on IEDs cause he's a smelly turd and oh yeah he's fat.
Yawn,
February 10th, 2007 at 6:05 pmYou kids crack me up with your predictable and oh so common shopping mall rhetoric. Aren't you missing Oprah "after the show"?
GET OVER YOURSELVES tee hee hee
Who doesn’t?
I don't. I (upper middle-class white guy) worked jobs like that growing up, and am the better for the experience. No one (regardless of socioeconomic status) wants their kid to spend their entire life working that kind of job, but that's not what Rove said. What he said was that he doesn't want his kid to do that kind of work, ever, because it's beneath him. That's odious.
February 10th, 2007 at 6:07 pmThe problem with Rove's comment has less to do with race than with class (not ALL illegal immigrants are Mexican you know). Of course he doesn't want his son to pick tomatoes or make beds, those are dirty, backbreaking jobs. Whether they pay $9 or $20 an hour, those sort of jobs are considered low and menial. His comment shows a lack of respect for those who have to work hard for a living. Many of whom are legal and still only barely scraping by.
It seems to me his intention was to remind "legal" Americans that without the ability to abuse immigrant labor with scandalously low wages and terrible working conditions our "legal" sons and daughters may have to do their work instead. Why aren't we as shocked by the abuses faced by those picking tomatoes and making beds as they are by Rove's clumsy verbal slight?
February 10th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWhen it comes to Americans jobs being taken offshore and here
by illegals I would rather have FDR's New Deal and the govenment owning the companies. Lose your job in the US and you lose your healthcare and you can get sick, worse, cost more and die. Lose every thing else as well as your dignity. Kiss you SS and pensions good bye too. Both parties are mean to US citizens and don't give a
damn about them. Bring back the industries and the worker's rights.
Love it or Leave it. Love to leave it
February 10th, 2007 at 6:45 pmI don't get this 'lack of respect' thing you're complaining about, Alosta. I sure as hell don't want myself doing those jobs, either; it's not because I don't 'respect' the people doing that (whatever the hell 'respect' really means) but because, as jobs, they're crap. I imagine that you don't want to do those jobs yourself (although, like me, you may well have done some of that sort of stuff in the past).
Whether or not the people doing those jobs deserve 'respect' is the same as it is for anyone else; it depends on them as individuals. Blanket 'respect' for a bunch of people you don't know seems to me to be pretty daft.
Also, I thought that my intestines would reach up my throat and strangle me for saying it, but I pretty much agree with Karl Rove.
February 10th, 2007 at 6:45 pmIn fact, immigration is one of the few things on which this administration have the right idea. There's a nicey-nice nonsense about some of the rhetoric, as if there will be no negative consequences for those Americans at the bottom of the work ladder, which is clearly untrue, but, stop the presses, life is hard.
February 10th, 2007 at 6:50 pmIt's one thing to enjoy a job, but another to respect the labor of someone who does it. We all agree that these are jobs we wouldn't want to do, therefore it's all the more important that we treat those stuck doing them with dignity. Certainly nobody wants to work in a hot field picking fruit all day, isn't it wrong to then add insult to injury by denigrating the value of those who do?
It would be silly to offer blanket respect to a group of people. But it's not silly to offer blanket respect for a type of labor. What Karl Rove said devalued the labor itself.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI agree with you Adam, This administration's immigration policy is one of the few, if not only, things I agree with. I'm not suggesting that we have no immigration policy, but that the entire discourse of the immigration policy carries as a hidden assumption the notion that manual labor is ignoble.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:06 pmUm, okay I don't get it .. how was what he said even remotely controversial? I think if he had said the opposite, that he wants his kid to make a career doing those jobs .. that he would be a lying politician. As much as people cringe at some of the folks in power now, at least they tell the truth. Brace your selves for the next regime where, for example, where praise will be raised to high heaven about the glories of public education and public health care while their own sons and daughters are quietly sent to private schools and are treated by personal physicians who belong to their servant staff. Hillary?
February 10th, 2007 at 7:12 pmRoberto - Well, leaving aside for the moment that the children of political figures are often forced to attend private school for security reasons, I still think you're way off base here. You're reading Rove's statement to mean that he simply doesn't want his kids to be the ones doing the least pleasant jobs. That, in itself, is fine: no parent wants their kids stuck with unpleasant jobs. Perfectly natural. However, that's not all Rove was saying: he was also saying that the right way to make sure his nice, tidy, rich white kids don't have to pick fruit is to implement a system of immigration that perpetually dooms poor brown kids to that labor.
The parents of poor brown kids don't want their children economically doomed to an inescapable future of fruit picking. It would be wrong to legislate an immigration policy to achieve that result. Yet that's precisely what Rove seems to want. That's odious (as others have noted above). Despite the protestations of White House flaks to the contrary, we both know this is the hidden message in Rove's statement. And it's one specifically calibrated to capitalize on the fears of the white middle class to score political points. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
Though they're running away from it now that someone called "bullshit" on them, what they're really saying is "let me keep exploiting darkie so your kids can have a free ride."
February 10th, 2007 at 7:30 pmToo bad the liberals won't make a big stink out of Rove's comments like the wingnuts did over John Kerry's botched joke.
February 10th, 2007 at 7:39 pm“My son picked berries and worked as the veggie boy at our local grocery store. He is now an armor officer with the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq. So, Karl, howabout it?
Comment by zealander — February 10, 2007 @ 12:53 amâ€
How about trying to be PROUD of your son?
Comment by michael
As usual, michael reveals his poor reading comprehension. Zealander's comment clearly shows that he/she is proud of the armor officer son.
February 10th, 2007 at 8:10 pmSomebody may already have said this, but Rove's statement doesn't make any sense. If that is his objective, isn't it better that we have the status quo than Bush's new policy? I mean, someone with equal rights and privileges just might out compete his son and end up on top with his kid doing the dishes.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:51 pmAnd, the status quo is what we are going to get, BTW. Too much money behind it. Want to understand America? Follow the Green. Blame Bush, blame Rove, Blame Congress. But, it's the guys who give money to both sides that want the status quo. They know that cheap labor, in the form of slaves, coolies, shanty Irish, etc... built this country and made them (our overlords, that is) rich. That is an American tradition the illegals from the south continue.
It's not just the evil overlords that are rich, Publius. Plenty of other people have bettered their situation by coming to America, and their descendents even moreso.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:19 amRoves's statements are outrageous, but hardly shocking. Sadly, even the Democrats can't agree what to do totally on this one. And to be honest, I'm not sure where I stand. I know if this were a perfect world Mexico would have strong trade unions that would get it's citizens fair equitable wages and health care, that wouldn't force Mexicans to risk their lives coming to the U.S. to earn a living. But that isn't the situation. They don't have strong enough unions.
So where does that put the U.S.? How should our U.S. trade unions respond? We are a nation of immigrants largely. How can we turn out backs on fellow immigrants and workers?
February 11th, 2007 at 8:11 amPicking tomatoes is too good for the likes of anyone connected to the Whitehouse. And the pickers know it.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:15 amWe are a nation of legal immigrants who came through Ellis Island.
And as far as the Native American race card. Well the Native Americans when they did raids on the whites took the white woman
and the white young girls every time they did a raid. So how pure
are they? And in Ireland it was the Celts, the Viking and the Normans. Does that mean all the Irish in Ireland are not Irish except for the 100% Celts. NO
By the way in the book Rising Tide Progressives were for the perfect
man which leaves your party out. And in the l920's they hooked up
with the KKK. I don't care what you call yourselves but not Democrats. Clintons stoled my father's Democratic Party when
the union base was low and the real old Democrats were old,
sick or dead and made it Republican like them through and
through. Insult to my father and the other old Democrats to
call yourselves Democrats. Clinton even calls himself Republican
Democrat and he should drop the Republican.
I don't expect you to put this comment on just like you didn't
the last one because you are Pravda and your bloggers are
too thin skinned to take it. Exept Smdge boy now there you have
a good blogger and he could handle my comments and you
use to have some nice and intelligent bloggers what happened? U Smudge boy smarter than your other bloggers. I just wish as vegan he didn't hunt. And he has a cute persoanlity that your other bloggers lack. Well I just speak out since I know you are too Pravda to put my last e-mail on and so this one too. Like Smudge boy Hypocrites to say the mainstream is Pravda when so are you too for your little agendas. All Shiny and flash on the outside to bring in the readers in for the dirty politicians you are working it for.
And tell Smudge boy for me what they are doing in LA dumping
the homeless should be called abandonment and against the
law. Here the paramedics bring the homeless to the hospitals
and they stay until they are well and then they give them cab
money to go to shelters. Just like 40% of African American
men are unemployed and Bush and the Bubbactats aret taking
illegals over them. They are taking illegals over the homeless
too. There was a show on homeless women . And the one
had a job and was living in her car. And the other had two
bartendiing jobs and would save up money to rent a Ryder
truck for her and her cat to get off the street. Bush and the
Bubacrats with Bush doing solo and the Bubbactats doing
back up for him. Bubbacrats sold ou the American workers
and their families for the greedy vote. Oh I could go on and
on against the Bubbacrats. Only reason went this far because
know not go on because you are for your little agenda. I don't
know you very well and was testing you and I was right.
Except for Smudge boy if he hasn't changed who is too good
for this blog. And Edwards is you best one for president. the
rest are crap. Edwards, Dobbs and Tancredo New Hope, New
Happiness and New Excitement rest are crap. win win situation.
I will stop here but believe me I could write you a book about
February 11th, 2007 at 12:04 pmAmnesty outsourcing and agaisnt the Bubbacrats. except for
Edwards etc old man, bush/clinton/gore/bush/chaney all melt together and planned in some back room. yes I could write you a book and true I am not a bull shitter But you are Pravda. Only
smart one you have is Smudge boy. How did you get him?
'Illegals get the hell out,' (aka 'Dolt') wants immigrants "to work hard and play by the rules like all of our ancestors had to." Like many of his vitriolic comrades, Dolt mistakenly assumes each and every one of our ancestors came to this country legally, worked hard and played by the rules. Cultural purists conveniently overlook the fact a great many of our ancestors did not come to this country legally, some were not hard workers, and many did not play by the rules. And yet America did just fine nonetheless, and today many descendants of those immigrants are some of America's finest citizens.
Very few Americans know with absolute certainty who each and every one of their ancestors was, how they entered this country, and how they lived their lives once they arrived. Many Americans who are upstanding citizens today are descended from desperate immigrants who didn't play by the rules, who came into this country as stow aways on ships, or came with a secret past and slipped across a border somewhere and quietly disappeared anonymously into our melting pot. In addition, the pages of American history are filled with stories of pirates, outlaws, bandits, train robbers, bootleggers, harlots and other hellions who broke the rules, and many are national icons.
The plain truth is that when my illustrious ancestor William Brewster, whose image is on the ceiling in Congress, boarded the Mayflower, he did so with a warrant for sedition out for his arrest signed by King James I. And the land patent America's most famous group of immigrants had in hand was not for Massachusetts, but for Virginia, so when the Pilgrims settled at Plymouth they broke the rules and settled illegally. Should the millions of us who are Mayflower descendants be deported back to England because our ancestors did not arrive legally and some had criminal records?
Self-righteous people like Dolt who want to pretend each and every one of their ancestors were all law abiding and came to this country legally and immediately settled down in tidy little houses with white picket fences are deluding themselves and perpetuating the worst kind of bigoted cultural purity. It is time that rational, sensible Americans begin openly calling people on their bigotry and standing up to it.
The plain truth is the immigrants of today are no different than the countless millions of immigrants of times past who populate our family trees. They are all looking for better lives for themselves and their children, just like our ancestors did. Many are fleeing the killing fields of South and Central America, and come across our borders without papers because they were lost when their war-torn villages were sacked and burned. Some come from parts of countries where there is so little government that the credentials necessary to get visas do not exist.
Of course, we must secure our borders, and of course our goal should be that everyone who comes into our country should do so legally and in a civilized way. We should not do this in a way that self-righteously ignors our own history and repeats the intolernace of the past by denigrating the immigrants of today.
America is better than that. Let's begin to make that promise real.
February 11th, 2007 at 3:43 pmYeah but noticed you didn't put the first one on too much truth
for you? Of course you put on the one that I didn't mean to go on
not the one I did mean to go on. I know of another left blogger who would have put on the first one . Let's see if you will put this one on. Not that I care if you do or not.
I wonder ir you feel the parrallel of Rome and the United States before the fall. Agressive wars and outstretched military, merging
February 11th, 2007 at 4:39 pmpowers ready to destroy us and hatred by the enitre people for
us. We now have a Caesar who has lost touch with both reality
and the people a long with a Govenrnent who is brought by
the highest bidder. We have the equivalent of the Roman Senate
with petty bickering and power plays that argues while Rome
Burns. But the rich and govemment officials consider the middle
class and poor as the Mob keeping them poor while trying to
distant themselves with money and power. The use of illegal immigrants as Slaves from other countries and our industries
destroyed in the name of greed. Both were founded as a Republic
and a Democracy which made them a safe haven from poverty and
persecution. It now appears that this government considers itself
a theocracy, and the laws of this land as both outdated and easily
overcome. We must put a stop to the hypocrisy, lies, semantics
and political double meaning in order to help this country survive.
Legal (NO Amnesty) Citizens, to improve our industries and jobs
both for our health and our protection! NAFTA, CAFTA and trade
with China have done little to increase the living standards of other
countries. What the trade agreement have done is make the
few rich and many poorer even our military has to buy it's equipment
from other countries. It seem very strange that a billion dollar
computer chip factory was built in Viet Nam. Do our business leaders have so little faith in the abilities of their own people? Finally stop looking at Wall Street as a guage for economic growth, look at the cost of living of the working families as compared to their wages!
If you can get cheaper labour of suitable quality abroad, there's nothing about 'not having faith in our own people' in it. It's a decision about profitability; they have to pay less to make the things, and we can buy them cheaper as a result.
Most Americans, it's true, haven't seen their incomes rise as much as the richest Americans. But why should they expect to? Was the previous situation even sustainable? When America was exporting more stuff to the rest of the world (because they were making decent stuff, cheap enough to export), surprise, Americans can have a higher-than-otherwise standard of living. When international competition gets going, and people in other countries get a chance to better themselves by exporting, growth in general American living standards might stagnate. But where you're at is still better, thanks to international trade, than if it hadn't happened at all.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWell, I am no fan of Bush or his buddies, but frankly in my opinion it's just nothing more than a politically incorrect comment. No Big Deal! Move on folks!
February 11th, 2007 at 4:55 pmWell, I am no fan of Bush and his buddies, but frankly folks this is just nothing more than a politically incorrect comment. It's No Big Deal! In my opinion, people should pay more attention to Iraq war and the way they cooked up phony intelligence to start it, which had nothing to do with 911. Don’t misunderstand me folks, I am all for the Afghan war, and I think we should take care of Osama & Co. first, even if we have to flatten the part of Pakistan where he is hiding in a cave somewhere.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:12 pmIllegals get the hell out of my country and quit stinkin up the show!
Maybe the problem lies with the people who hire illegals? Like, if they weren't offered the jobs - they wouldn't be working here? Weird concept for someone who would rather blame a poor brown person than an exploitative (usually) white employer.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:41 amThe point everybody seems to miss is that Rove and Bush are basically, no matter what they say, for open boarders. Nice of them to still be lying to their own party.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:39 pmThis ain't half as embarrassing as Howard Dean, democrat presidential candidate and now DNC chair saying that republicans couldn't fill up a room of black people unless it was housekeeping staff. Implying that all blacks can do is clean.
Wow. Talk about patronizing and racist. I love it when liberals sometimes forget what they are saying, and reveal their true racist selves.
LOVE IT!
February 12th, 2007 at 5:36 pmMaybe another democrat presidential candidate (Joe Biden) will be asked about his comment that you can't walk into a 7-11 without seeing an Indian behind the cash register.
Ouch. Libs got some explaining to do. lol.
February 12th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThe Rove comment isn't shocking. Let's face it, rich mercantilist Republicans have a low view of manual labor and the (sub-human, in their minds) people who perform it. High-minded liberals, despite their claims of caring for the poor, feel exactly the same way.
I know from personal experience. I took the non-traditional route after messing up in to school, and worked in a blue-collar job before going back a few years ago. When old friends - liberals, especially - I ran into heard what I did, they'd go "uhh, nice talking to you." Seriously. Now I'm an engineer, and when I run into them they're more respectful. It's really quite pathetic.
But Rove's not the first person to say something like this. On CSPAN's "Road to the White House" show about a year ago, Mike Huckabee said something kinda similar: "Just think, if we didn't have immigrants we'd have to wash our own cars and make our own beds." I am not making that up.
February 13th, 2007 at 1:47 amWho is truly afraid of these low paying jobs? Not theDoctors, Engineers, Pilots, Nurses, but those who are uneducated .
If in this Great nation of ours one cannot get theRIGHT Education Needed in TODAYS Workplace Requirements, Then they are to BLAME.
NO ONE IS TO BLAME FOR MY FAILURE OR SUCCESS EXCEPT "MYSELF"
STOP BLAMING YOUR FAILURES & IGNORANCE ON OTHERS.
Speaking about immigration, DO YOU HAVE ANY LAW DEGREE IN IMMIGRATION LAW TO MAKE A KNOWLEDGABLE COMMENT?
Get REAL if youre afraid of losing the Low paying dishwasher or lawnmower job , then get real and get EDUCATED fast. The world has changed.
February 26th, 2007 at 5:26 pm