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	<title>Comments on: White House &#8216;red-faced&#8217; over Rove remark.</title>
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		<title>By: Caring Human</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1920203</link>
		<dc:creator>Caring Human</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is truly afraid of these low paying jobs? Not theDoctors, Engineers, Pilots, Nurses, but those who are uneducated . 

If in this Great nation of ours one cannot get theRIGHT Education Needed in TODAYS Workplace Requirements, Then they are to BLAME.

NO ONE IS TO BLAME FOR MY FAILURE OR SUCCESS EXCEPT &quot;MYSELF&quot;

 STOP BLAMING YOUR FAILURES &amp; IGNORANCE ON OTHERS.

 Speaking about immigration, DO YOU HAVE ANY LAW DEGREE IN IMMIGRATION LAW TO MAKE A KNOWLEDGABLE COMMENT?

Get REAL  if youre afraid of losing the Low paying dishwasher or lawnmower job , then get real and  get EDUCATED fast. The world has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is truly afraid of these low paying jobs? Not theDoctors, Engineers, Pilots, Nurses, but those who are uneducated . </p>
<p>If in this Great nation of ours one cannot get theRIGHT Education Needed in TODAYS Workplace Requirements, Then they are to BLAME.</p>
<p>NO ONE IS TO BLAME FOR MY FAILURE OR SUCCESS EXCEPT &#8220;MYSELF&#8221;</p>
<p> STOP BLAMING YOUR FAILURES &amp; IGNORANCE ON OTHERS.</p>
<p> Speaking about immigration, DO YOU HAVE ANY LAW DEGREE IN IMMIGRATION LAW TO MAKE A KNOWLEDGABLE COMMENT?</p>
<p>Get REAL  if youre afraid of losing the Low paying dishwasher or lawnmower job , then get real and  get EDUCATED fast. The world has changed.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1920203', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1724618</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rove comment isn&#039;t shocking. Let&#039;s face it, rich mercantilist Republicans have a low view of manual labor and the (sub-human, in their minds) people who perform it. High-minded liberals, despite their claims of caring for the poor, feel exactly the same way.

I know from personal experience. I took the non-traditional route after messing up in to school, and worked in a blue-collar job before going back a few years ago. When old friends - liberals, especially - I ran into heard what I did, they&#039;d go &quot;uhh, nice talking to you.&quot; Seriously. Now I&#039;m an engineer, and when I run into them they&#039;re more respectful. It&#039;s really quite pathetic.

But Rove&#039;s not the first person to say something like this. On CSPAN&#039;s &quot;Road to the White House&quot; show about a year ago, Mike Huckabee said something kinda similar: &quot;Just think, if we didn&#039;t have immigrants we&#039;d have to wash our own cars and make our own beds.&quot; I am not making that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rove comment isn&#8217;t shocking. Let&#8217;s face it, rich mercantilist Republicans have a low view of manual labor and the (sub-human, in their minds) people who perform it. High-minded liberals, despite their claims of caring for the poor, feel exactly the same way.</p>
<p>I know from personal experience. I took the non-traditional route after messing up in to school, and worked in a blue-collar job before going back a few years ago. When old friends &#8211; liberals, especially &#8211; I ran into heard what I did, they&#8217;d go &#8220;uhh, nice talking to you.&#8221; Seriously. Now I&#8217;m an engineer, and when I run into them they&#8217;re more respectful. It&#8217;s really quite pathetic.</p>
<p>But Rove&#8217;s not the first person to say something like this. On CSPAN&#8217;s &#8220;Road to the White House&#8221; show about a year ago, Mike Huckabee said something kinda similar: &#8220;Just think, if we didn&#8217;t have immigrants we&#8217;d have to wash our own cars and make our own beds.&#8221; I am not making that up.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1724618', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1720312</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe another democrat presidential candidate (Joe Biden) will be asked about his comment that you can&#039;t walk into a 7-11 without seeing an Indian behind the cash register.

Ouch.  Libs got some explaining to do.  lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe another democrat presidential candidate (Joe Biden) will be asked about his comment that you can&#8217;t walk into a 7-11 without seeing an Indian behind the cash register.</p>
<p>Ouch.  Libs got some explaining to do.  lol.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1720312', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1720262</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ain&#039;t half as embarrassing as Howard Dean, democrat presidential candidate and now DNC chair saying that republicans couldn&#039;t fill up a room of black people unless it was housekeeping staff.  Implying that all blacks can do is clean.

Wow.  Talk about patronizing and racist.  I love it when liberals sometimes forget what they are saying, and reveal their true racist selves.

LOVE IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ain&#8217;t half as embarrassing as Howard Dean, democrat presidential candidate and now DNC chair saying that republicans couldn&#8217;t fill up a room of black people unless it was housekeeping staff.  Implying that all blacks can do is clean.</p>
<p>Wow.  Talk about patronizing and racist.  I love it when liberals sometimes forget what they are saying, and reveal their true racist selves.</p>
<p>LOVE IT!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1720262', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cambel</title>
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		<dc:creator>cambel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point everybody seems to miss is that Rove and Bush are basically, no matter what they say, for open boarders.  Nice of them to still be lying to their own party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point everybody seems to miss is that Rove and Bush are basically, no matter what they say, for open boarders.  Nice of them to still be lying to their own party.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1716841', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tweedster</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1715934</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweedster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Illegals get the hell out of my country and quit stinkin up the show!&lt;/b&gt; 

Maybe the problem lies with the people who hire illegals?  Like, if they weren&#039;t offered the jobs - they wouldn&#039;t be working here?  Weird concept for someone who would rather blame a poor brown person than an exploitative (usually) white employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Illegals get the hell out of my country and quit stinkin up the show!</b> </p>
<p>Maybe the problem lies with the people who hire illegals?  Like, if they weren&#8217;t offered the jobs &#8211; they wouldn&#8217;t be working here?  Weird concept for someone who would rather blame a poor brown person than an exploitative (usually) white employer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1715934', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fairminded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fairminded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am no fan of Bush and his buddies, but frankly folks this is just nothing more than a politically incorrect comment. It&#039;s No Big Deal! In my opinion, people should pay more attention to Iraq war and the way they cooked up phony intelligence to start it, &lt;strong&gt;which had nothing to do with 911&lt;/strong&gt;. Donâ€™t misunderstand me folks, &lt;strong&gt;I am all for the Afghan war&lt;/strong&gt;, and I think we should take care of &lt;strong&gt;Osama &amp; Co&lt;/strong&gt;. first, even if we have to flatten the part of Pakistan where he is hiding in a cave somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am no fan of Bush and his buddies, but frankly folks this is just nothing more than a politically incorrect comment. It&#8217;s No Big Deal! In my opinion, people should pay more attention to Iraq war and the way they cooked up phony intelligence to start it, <strong>which had nothing to do with 911</strong>. Donâ€™t misunderstand me folks, <strong>I am all for the Afghan war</strong>, and I think we should take care of <strong>Osama &amp; Co</strong>. first, even if we have to flatten the part of Pakistan where he is hiding in a cave somewhere.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1706600', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fairminded</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fairminded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am no fan of Bush or his buddies, but frankly in my opinion it&#039;s just nothing more than a politically incorrect comment. No Big Deal! Move on folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am no fan of Bush or his buddies, but frankly in my opinion it&#8217;s just nothing more than a politically incorrect comment. No Big Deal! Move on folks!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1706472', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can get cheaper labour of suitable quality abroad, there&#039;s nothing about &#039;not having faith in our own people&#039; in it. It&#039;s a decision about profitability; they have to pay less to make the things, and we can buy them cheaper as a result.

Most Americans, it&#039;s true, haven&#039;t seen their incomes rise as much as the richest Americans. But why should they expect to? Was the previous situation even sustainable? When America was exporting more stuff to the rest of the world (because they were making decent stuff, cheap enough to export), surprise, Americans can have a higher-than-otherwise standard of living. When international competition gets going, and people in other countries get a chance to better themselves by exporting, growth in general American living standards might stagnate. But where you&#039;re at is still better, thanks to international trade, than if it hadn&#039;t happened at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can get cheaper labour of suitable quality abroad, there&#8217;s nothing about &#8216;not having faith in our own people&#8217; in it. It&#8217;s a decision about profitability; they have to pay less to make the things, and we can buy them cheaper as a result.</p>
<p>Most Americans, it&#8217;s true, haven&#8217;t seen their incomes rise as much as the richest Americans. But why should they expect to? Was the previous situation even sustainable? When America was exporting more stuff to the rest of the world (because they were making decent stuff, cheap enough to export), surprise, Americans can have a higher-than-otherwise standard of living. When international competition gets going, and people in other countries get a chance to better themselves by exporting, growth in general American living standards might stagnate. But where you&#8217;re at is still better, thanks to international trade, than if it hadn&#8217;t happened at all.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1706400', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: darrraugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrraugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but noticed you didn&#039;t put the first one on too much truth
for you? Of course you put on the one that I didn&#039;t mean to go on
not the one I did mean to go on.  I know of another left blogger who would have put on the first one .  Let&#039;s see if you will put this one on. Not that I care if you do or not.

I wonder ir you feel the parrallel of Rome and the United States before the fall.  Agressive wars and outstretched military, merging
powers ready to destroy us and hatred by the enitre people for
us.  We now have a Caesar who has lost touch with  both reality
and the people a long with a Govenrnent who is brought by
the highest bidder.  We have the equivalent of the Roman Senate
with petty bickering and power plays that argues while Rome
Burns.  But the rich and govemment officials consider the middle
class and poor as the Mob keeping them poor while trying to
distant themselves with money and power. The use of illegal  immigrants as Slaves from other countries and our industries
destroyed in the name of greed. Both were founded as a Republic
and a Democracy which made them a safe haven from poverty and
persecution. It now appears that this government considers itself
a theocracy, and the laws of this land as both outdated and easily
overcome.  We must put a stop to the hypocrisy, lies, semantics
and political double meaning in order to help this country survive.
Legal (NO Amnesty) Citizens, to improve our industries and jobs
both for our health and our protection!  NAFTA, CAFTA  and trade
with China have done little to increase the living standards of other
countries.  What the trade agreement have done is make the
few rich and many poorer even our military has to buy it&#039;s equipment
from other countries.  It seem very strange that a billion dollar
computer chip factory was built in Viet Nam.  Do our business leaders have so little faith in the abilities of their own people?  Finally stop looking at Wall Street as a guage for economic growth, look at the cost of living of the working families as compared to their wages!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but noticed you didn&#8217;t put the first one on too much truth<br />
for you? Of course you put on the one that I didn&#8217;t mean to go on<br />
not the one I did mean to go on.  I know of another left blogger who would have put on the first one .  Let&#8217;s see if you will put this one on. Not that I care if you do or not.</p>
<p>I wonder ir you feel the parrallel of Rome and the United States before the fall.  Agressive wars and outstretched military, merging<br />
powers ready to destroy us and hatred by the enitre people for<br />
us.  We now have a Caesar who has lost touch with  both reality<br />
and the people a long with a Govenrnent who is brought by<br />
the highest bidder.  We have the equivalent of the Roman Senate<br />
with petty bickering and power plays that argues while Rome<br />
Burns.  But the rich and govemment officials consider the middle<br />
class and poor as the Mob keeping them poor while trying to<br />
distant themselves with money and power. The use of illegal  immigrants as Slaves from other countries and our industries<br />
destroyed in the name of greed. Both were founded as a Republic<br />
and a Democracy which made them a safe haven from poverty and<br />
persecution. It now appears that this government considers itself<br />
a theocracy, and the laws of this land as both outdated and easily<br />
overcome.  We must put a stop to the hypocrisy, lies, semantics<br />
and political double meaning in order to help this country survive.<br />
Legal (NO Amnesty) Citizens, to improve our industries and jobs<br />
both for our health and our protection!  NAFTA, CAFTA  and trade<br />
with China have done little to increase the living standards of other<br />
countries.  What the trade agreement have done is make the<br />
few rich and many poorer even our military has to buy it&#8217;s equipment<br />
from other countries.  It seem very strange that a billion dollar<br />
computer chip factory was built in Viet Nam.  Do our business leaders have so little faith in the abilities of their own people?  Finally stop looking at Wall Street as a guage for economic growth, look at the cost of living of the working families as compared to their wages!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1706348', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TeaTime</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeaTime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 20:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Illegals get the hell out,&#039; (aka &#039;Dolt&#039;) wants immigrants &quot;to work hard and play by the rules like all of our ancestors had to.&quot;  Like many of his vitriolic comrades, Dolt mistakenly assumes each and every one of our ancestors came to this country legally, worked hard and played by the rules.  Cultural purists conveniently overlook the fact a great many of our ancestors did not come to this country legally, some were not hard workers, and many did not play by the rules.  And yet America did just fine nonetheless, and today many descendants of those immigrants are some of America&#039;s finest citizens.  

Very few Americans know with absolute certainty who each and every one of their ancestors was, how they entered this country, and how they lived their lives once they arrived.  Many Americans who are upstanding citizens today are descended from desperate immigrants who didn&#039;t play by the rules, who came into this country as stow aways on ships, or came with a secret past and slipped across a border somewhere and quietly disappeared anonymously into our melting pot.  In addition, the pages of American history are filled with stories of pirates, outlaws, bandits, train robbers, bootleggers, harlots and other hellions who broke the rules, and many are national icons.  

The plain truth is that when my illustrious ancestor William Brewster, whose image is on the ceiling in Congress, boarded the Mayflower, he did so with a warrant for sedition out for his arrest signed by King James I.  And the land patent America&#039;s most famous group of immigrants had in hand was not for Massachusetts, but for Virginia, so when the Pilgrims settled at Plymouth they broke the rules and settled illegally.  Should the millions of us who are Mayflower descendants be deported back to England because our ancestors did not arrive legally and some had criminal records?

Self-righteous people like Dolt who want to pretend each and every one of their ancestors were all law abiding and came to this country legally and immediately settled down in tidy little houses with white picket fences are deluding themselves and perpetuating the worst kind of bigoted cultural purity.  It is time that rational, sensible  Americans begin openly calling people on their bigotry and standing up to it.

The plain truth is the immigrants of today are no different than the countless millions of immigrants of times past who populate our family trees.  They are all looking for better lives for themselves and their children, just like our ancestors did.  Many are fleeing the killing fields of South and Central America, and come across our borders without papers because they were lost when their war-torn villages were sacked and burned.  Some come from parts of countries where there is so little government that the credentials necessary to get visas do not exist.  

Of course, we must secure our borders, and of course our goal should be that everyone who comes into our country should do so legally and in a civilized way.  We should not do this in a way that self-righteously ignors our own history and repeats the intolernace of the past by denigrating the immigrants of today.   

America is better than that.  Let&#039;s begin to make that promise real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Illegals get the hell out,&#8217; (aka &#8216;Dolt&#8217;) wants immigrants &#8220;to work hard and play by the rules like all of our ancestors had to.&#8221;  Like many of his vitriolic comrades, Dolt mistakenly assumes each and every one of our ancestors came to this country legally, worked hard and played by the rules.  Cultural purists conveniently overlook the fact a great many of our ancestors did not come to this country legally, some were not hard workers, and many did not play by the rules.  And yet America did just fine nonetheless, and today many descendants of those immigrants are some of America&#8217;s finest citizens.  </p>
<p>Very few Americans know with absolute certainty who each and every one of their ancestors was, how they entered this country, and how they lived their lives once they arrived.  Many Americans who are upstanding citizens today are descended from desperate immigrants who didn&#8217;t play by the rules, who came into this country as stow aways on ships, or came with a secret past and slipped across a border somewhere and quietly disappeared anonymously into our melting pot.  In addition, the pages of American history are filled with stories of pirates, outlaws, bandits, train robbers, bootleggers, harlots and other hellions who broke the rules, and many are national icons.  </p>
<p>The plain truth is that when my illustrious ancestor William Brewster, whose image is on the ceiling in Congress, boarded the Mayflower, he did so with a warrant for sedition out for his arrest signed by King James I.  And the land patent America&#8217;s most famous group of immigrants had in hand was not for Massachusetts, but for Virginia, so when the Pilgrims settled at Plymouth they broke the rules and settled illegally.  Should the millions of us who are Mayflower descendants be deported back to England because our ancestors did not arrive legally and some had criminal records?</p>
<p>Self-righteous people like Dolt who want to pretend each and every one of their ancestors were all law abiding and came to this country legally and immediately settled down in tidy little houses with white picket fences are deluding themselves and perpetuating the worst kind of bigoted cultural purity.  It is time that rational, sensible  Americans begin openly calling people on their bigotry and standing up to it.</p>
<p>The plain truth is the immigrants of today are no different than the countless millions of immigrants of times past who populate our family trees.  They are all looking for better lives for themselves and their children, just like our ancestors did.  Many are fleeing the killing fields of South and Central America, and come across our borders without papers because they were lost when their war-torn villages were sacked and burned.  Some come from parts of countries where there is so little government that the credentials necessary to get visas do not exist.  </p>
<p>Of course, we must secure our borders, and of course our goal should be that everyone who comes into our country should do so legally and in a civilized way.  We should not do this in a way that self-righteously ignors our own history and repeats the intolernace of the past by denigrating the immigrants of today.   </p>
<p>America is better than that.  Let&#8217;s begin to make that promise real.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1705918', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: darrraugh</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1703623</link>
		<dc:creator>darrraugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a nation of legal immigrants who came through Ellis Island.
And as far as the Native American race card. Well the Native Americans  when they did raids on the whites took the white woman
and the white young girls every time they did a raid.  So how pure
are they?  And in Ireland it was the Celts, the Viking and the Normans.  Does that mean all the Irish in Ireland are not Irish except for the 100% Celts.  NO

By the way in the book Rising Tide Progressives were for the perfect
man which leaves your party out.  And in the l920&#039;s they hooked up
with the KKK.  I don&#039;t care what you call yourselves but not Democrats.  Clintons stoled my father&#039;s Democratic Party when
the union base was low and the real old Democrats were old,
sick or dead and made it Republican like them through and
through.  Insult  to my father and the other old Democrats to
call yourselves Democrats. Clinton even calls himself Republican
Democrat and he should drop the Republican.  

I don&#039;t expect  you to put this comment on just like you didn&#039;t
the last one because you are Pravda and your bloggers are
too thin skinned to take it.  Exept Smdge boy now there you have
a good blogger and he could handle  my comments  and you
use to have some nice and intelligent bloggers what happened?  U Smudge boy smarter than your other bloggers. I just wish as vegan he didn&#039;t hunt.  And he has a cute persoanlity that your other bloggers lack.  Well I just speak out since I know you are too Pravda to put my last e-mail on and so this one too. Like Smudge boy  Hypocrites to say the mainstream is Pravda when so are you too for your little agendas.  All Shiny and flash on the outside to bring in the readers in for the dirty politicians you are working it for.

And tell Smudge boy for me what they are doing in LA dumping
the homeless should be called abandonment and against the
law. Here the paramedics bring the homeless to the hospitals
and they stay until they are well and then they give them cab
money to go to shelters.  Just like 40% of African American
men are unemployed and Bush and the Bubbactats aret taking
illegals over them.  They are taking illegals over the homeless
too. There was a show on homeless women . And the one
had a job and was living in her car.  And the other had two
bartendiing jobs and would save up money to rent a Ryder
truck for her and her cat to get off the street.  Bush and the
Bubacrats with Bush doing solo and the Bubbactats doing
back up for him.  Bubbacrats sold ou the American workers
and their families for the greedy  vote.  Oh  I could go on and
on against the Bubbacrats.  Only reason went this far because
know not go on because you are for your little agenda.  I don&#039;t
know you very well and was testing you and I was right.
Except for Smudge boy if he hasn&#039;t changed who is too good
for this blog.   And Edwards is you best one for president. the
rest are crap.  Edwards, Dobbs and Tancredo  New Hope, New
Happiness and New Excitement rest are crap. win win situation.

I will stop here but believe me I could write you a book about
Amnesty outsourcing and agaisnt the Bubbacrats. except for
Edwards etc  old man, bush/clinton/gore/bush/chaney all melt together and planned in some back room.  yes I could write you a book and true I am not a bull shitter  But you are  Pravda.  Only
smart one you have is Smudge boy.  How did you get him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a nation of legal immigrants who came through Ellis Island.<br />
And as far as the Native American race card. Well the Native Americans  when they did raids on the whites took the white woman<br />
and the white young girls every time they did a raid.  So how pure<br />
are they?  And in Ireland it was the Celts, the Viking and the Normans.  Does that mean all the Irish in Ireland are not Irish except for the 100% Celts.  NO</p>
<p>By the way in the book Rising Tide Progressives were for the perfect<br />
man which leaves your party out.  And in the l920&#8217;s they hooked up<br />
with the KKK.  I don&#8217;t care what you call yourselves but not Democrats.  Clintons stoled my father&#8217;s Democratic Party when<br />
the union base was low and the real old Democrats were old,<br />
sick or dead and made it Republican like them through and<br />
through.  Insult  to my father and the other old Democrats to<br />
call yourselves Democrats. Clinton even calls himself Republican<br />
Democrat and he should drop the Republican.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect  you to put this comment on just like you didn&#8217;t<br />
the last one because you are Pravda and your bloggers are<br />
too thin skinned to take it.  Exept Smdge boy now there you have<br />
a good blogger and he could handle  my comments  and you<br />
use to have some nice and intelligent bloggers what happened?  U Smudge boy smarter than your other bloggers. I just wish as vegan he didn&#8217;t hunt.  And he has a cute persoanlity that your other bloggers lack.  Well I just speak out since I know you are too Pravda to put my last e-mail on and so this one too. Like Smudge boy  Hypocrites to say the mainstream is Pravda when so are you too for your little agendas.  All Shiny and flash on the outside to bring in the readers in for the dirty politicians you are working it for.</p>
<p>And tell Smudge boy for me what they are doing in LA dumping<br />
the homeless should be called abandonment and against the<br />
law. Here the paramedics bring the homeless to the hospitals<br />
and they stay until they are well and then they give them cab<br />
money to go to shelters.  Just like 40% of African American<br />
men are unemployed and Bush and the Bubbactats aret taking<br />
illegals over them.  They are taking illegals over the homeless<br />
too. There was a show on homeless women . And the one<br />
had a job and was living in her car.  And the other had two<br />
bartendiing jobs and would save up money to rent a Ryder<br />
truck for her and her cat to get off the street.  Bush and the<br />
Bubacrats with Bush doing solo and the Bubbactats doing<br />
back up for him.  Bubbacrats sold ou the American workers<br />
and their families for the greedy  vote.  Oh  I could go on and<br />
on against the Bubbacrats.  Only reason went this far because<br />
know not go on because you are for your little agenda.  I don&#8217;t<br />
know you very well and was testing you and I was right.<br />
Except for Smudge boy if he hasn&#8217;t changed who is too good<br />
for this blog.   And Edwards is you best one for president. the<br />
rest are crap.  Edwards, Dobbs and Tancredo  New Hope, New<br />
Happiness and New Excitement rest are crap. win win situation.</p>
<p>I will stop here but believe me I could write you a book about<br />
Amnesty outsourcing and agaisnt the Bubbacrats. except for<br />
Edwards etc  old man, bush/clinton/gore/bush/chaney all melt together and planned in some back room.  yes I could write you a book and true I am not a bull shitter  But you are  Pravda.  Only<br />
smart one you have is Smudge boy.  How did you get him?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1703623', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1702714</link>
		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picking tomatoes is too good for the likes of anyone connected to the Whitehouse.  And the pickers know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking tomatoes is too good for the likes of anyone connected to the Whitehouse.  And the pickers know it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1702714', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roves&#039;s statements are outrageous, but hardly shocking.   Sadly, even the Democrats can&#039;t agree what to do totally on this one.  And to be honest, I&#039;m not sure where I stand.  I know if this were a perfect world Mexico would have strong trade unions that would get it&#039;s citizens fair equitable wages and health care, that wouldn&#039;t force Mexicans to risk their lives coming to the U.S. to earn a living.  But that isn&#039;t the situation.  They don&#039;t have strong enough unions. 

So where does that put the U.S.?   How should our U.S. trade unions respond?  We are a nation of immigrants largely.  How can we turn out backs on fellow immigrants and workers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roves&#8217;s statements are outrageous, but hardly shocking.   Sadly, even the Democrats can&#8217;t agree what to do totally on this one.  And to be honest, I&#8217;m not sure where I stand.  I know if this were a perfect world Mexico would have strong trade unions that would get it&#8217;s citizens fair equitable wages and health care, that wouldn&#8217;t force Mexicans to risk their lives coming to the U.S. to earn a living.  But that isn&#8217;t the situation.  They don&#8217;t have strong enough unions. </p>
<p>So where does that put the U.S.?   How should our U.S. trade unions respond?  We are a nation of immigrants largely.  How can we turn out backs on fellow immigrants and workers?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1702424', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just the evil overlords that are rich, Publius. Plenty of other people have bettered their situation by coming to America, and their descendents even moreso.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the evil overlords that are rich, Publius. Plenty of other people have bettered their situation by coming to America, and their descendents even moreso.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1702015', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/09/white-house-stands-by-rove-immigration-remark/comment-page-2/#comment-1699330</link>
		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody may already have said this, but Rove&#039;s statement doesn&#039;t make any sense.  If that is his objective, isn&#039;t it better that we have the &lt;em&gt;status quo&lt;/em&gt; than Bush&#039;s new policy?  I mean, someone with equal rights and privileges just might out compete his son and end up on top with his kid doing the dishes.
And, the &lt;em&gt;status quo&lt;/em&gt; is what we are going to get, BTW.  Too much money behind it.  Want to understand America?  Follow the Green.  Blame Bush, blame Rove, Blame Congress.  But, it&#039;s the guys who give money to both sides that want the &lt;em&gt;status quo&lt;/em&gt;.  They know that cheap labor, in the form of slaves, coolies, shanty Irish, etc... built this country and made them (our overlords, that is) rich.  That is an American tradition the illegals from the south continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody may already have said this, but Rove&#8217;s statement doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  If that is his objective, isn&#8217;t it better that we have the <em>status quo</em> than Bush&#8217;s new policy?  I mean, someone with equal rights and privileges just might out compete his son and end up on top with his kid doing the dishes.<br />
And, the <em>status quo</em> is what we are going to get, BTW.  Too much money behind it.  Want to understand America?  Follow the Green.  Blame Bush, blame Rove, Blame Congress.  But, it&#8217;s the guys who give money to both sides that want the <em>status quo</em>.  They know that cheap labor, in the form of slaves, coolies, shanty Irish, etc&#8230; built this country and made them (our overlords, that is) rich.  That is an American tradition the illegals from the south continue.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1699330', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 01:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œMy son picked berries and worked as the veggie boy at our local grocery store. He is now an armor officer with the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq. So, Karl, howabout it?
Comment by zealander â€” February 10, 2007 @ 12:53 amâ€

How about trying to be PROUD of your son?
Comment by michael 

As usual, michael reveals his poor reading comprehension.  Zealander&#039;s comment clearly shows that he/she is proud of the armor officer son.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œMy son picked berries and worked as the veggie boy at our local grocery store. He is now an armor officer with the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq. So, Karl, howabout it?<br />
Comment by zealander â€” February 10, 2007 @ 12:53 amâ€</p>
<p>How about trying to be PROUD of your son?<br />
Comment by michael </p>
<p>As usual, michael reveals his poor reading comprehension.  Zealander&#8217;s comment clearly shows that he/she is proud of the armor officer son.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1698432', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Redleg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redleg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad the liberals won&#039;t make a big stink out of Rove&#039;s comments like the wingnuts did over John Kerry&#039;s botched joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad the liberals won&#8217;t make a big stink out of Rove&#8217;s comments like the wingnuts did over John Kerry&#8217;s botched joke.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1698309', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roberto - Well, leaving aside for the moment that the children of political figures are often forced to attend private school for security reasons, I still think you&#039;re way off base here.  You&#039;re reading Rove&#039;s statement to mean that he simply doesn&#039;t want his kids to be the ones doing the least pleasant jobs.  That, in itself, is fine: no parent wants their kids stuck with unpleasant jobs.  Perfectly natural.  However, that&#039;s not all Rove was saying: he was also saying that the right way to make sure his nice, tidy, rich white kids don&#039;t have to pick fruit is to implement a system of immigration that perpetually dooms poor brown kids to that labor. 

The parents of poor brown kids don&#039;t want their children economically doomed to an inescapable future of fruit picking.  It would be wrong to legislate an immigration policy to achieve that result.  Yet that&#039;s precisely what Rove seems to want.  That&#039;s odious (as others have noted above).  Despite the protestations of White House flaks to the contrary, we both know this is the hidden message in Rove&#039;s statement.  And it&#039;s one specifically calibrated to capitalize on the fears of the white middle class to score political points.  Don&#039;t kid yourself otherwise.  

Though they&#039;re running away from it now that someone called &quot;bullshit&quot; on them, what they&#039;re really saying is &quot;let me keep exploiting darkie so your kids can have a free ride.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roberto &#8211; Well, leaving aside for the moment that the children of political figures are often forced to attend private school for security reasons, I still think you&#8217;re way off base here.  You&#8217;re reading Rove&#8217;s statement to mean that he simply doesn&#8217;t want his kids to be the ones doing the least pleasant jobs.  That, in itself, is fine: no parent wants their kids stuck with unpleasant jobs.  Perfectly natural.  However, that&#8217;s not all Rove was saying: he was also saying that the right way to make sure his nice, tidy, rich white kids don&#8217;t have to pick fruit is to implement a system of immigration that perpetually dooms poor brown kids to that labor. </p>
<p>The parents of poor brown kids don&#8217;t want their children economically doomed to an inescapable future of fruit picking.  It would be wrong to legislate an immigration policy to achieve that result.  Yet that&#8217;s precisely what Rove seems to want.  That&#8217;s odious (as others have noted above).  Despite the protestations of White House flaks to the contrary, we both know this is the hidden message in Rove&#8217;s statement.  And it&#8217;s one specifically calibrated to capitalize on the fears of the white middle class to score political points.  Don&#8217;t kid yourself otherwise.  </p>
<p>Though they&#8217;re running away from it now that someone called &#8220;bullshit&#8221; on them, what they&#8217;re really saying is &#8220;let me keep exploiting darkie so your kids can have a free ride.&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1698222', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 00:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, okay I don&#039;t get it .. how was what he said even remotely controversial?  I think if he had said the opposite, that he wants his kid to make a career doing those jobs .. that he would be a lying politician.  As much as people cringe at some of the folks in power now, at least they tell the truth.  Brace your selves for the next regime where, for example, where praise will be raised to high heaven about the glories of public education and public health care while their own sons and daughters are quietly sent to private schools and are treated by personal physicians who belong to their servant staff.  Hillary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, okay I don&#8217;t get it .. how was what he said even remotely controversial?  I think if he had said the opposite, that he wants his kid to make a career doing those jobs .. that he would be a lying politician.  As much as people cringe at some of the folks in power now, at least they tell the truth.  Brace your selves for the next regime where, for example, where praise will be raised to high heaven about the glories of public education and public health care while their own sons and daughters are quietly sent to private schools and are treated by personal physicians who belong to their servant staff.  Hillary?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1697999', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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