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Civil war + escalation =

By Nico Pitney on Feb 10th, 2007 at 1:20 pm

Civil war + escalation =

“Iraqi commanders are urging the Americans to go after Sunni targets as the first focus of the military push to secure Baghdad, displaying a sectarian tilt that is delaying full implementation of the plan to drive gunmen from the streets,” the AP reports. “American officers, interviewed at the sprawling Camp Victory base at the western edge of the capital, also acknowledge they are finding little in their initial searches of Baghdad neighborhoods — suggesting either they received faulty intelligence or that the massive publicity that preceded the operation gave militants time to slip away.”



52 Responses to “Civil war + escalation =”

  1. Badmoodman says:

    either they received faulty intelligence or that the massive publicity that preceded the operation gave militants time to slip away.” – - Ya think?


  2. Wayne says:

    “Iraqi commanders are urging the Americans to go after Sunni targets as the first focus of the military push to secure Baghdad, displaying a sectarian tilt that is delaying full implementation of the plan to drive gunmen from the streets

    Great….. now we are going to be in the middle of a civil war. The Iraq Meat Grinder has just shifted to a higher speed.
    Just freeking great……


  3. wlgriffi says:

    “…suggesting either they received faulty intelligence …..”

    LOL!!! The Intell probably came from the office of th V.P..


  4. WaltTheMan says:

    That sounds like the Shia want our soldiers to do their dirty work for them. This mess is getting worse by the day.


  5. Briseadh na Faire says:

    This will be held up as a shining example that Bush’s escalation worked.


  6. firehead says:

    Who cares? Kill ‘em all.


  7. michael says:

    “either they received faulty intelligence or that the massive publicity that preceded the operation gave militants time to slip away.” – - Ya think?”

    Sort of like how you liberals reveal our intelligence gathering methods, our secret prisons!


  8. michael says:

    “Great….. now we are going to be in the middle of a civil war. The Iraq Meat Grinder has just shifted to a higher speed.
    Just freeking great……”

    What? You have no confidence in our military?


  9. michael says:

    “This will be held up as a shining example that Bush’s escalation worked”

    It’s amazing just how much hatred you losers have for any one person.


  10. AboveTheClouds says:

    Too bad we don’t have great minds like Rove, Cheney, Libby and Feith to help America get out of this mess they got us into. They’re too busy trying to stay out of jail.


  11. Liberal in New Mexico says:

    The Iraqui commanders are telling the Americans to go after the Sunni targets? It’s NO WONDER the intelligence appears faulty; that is in direct conflict with what the Saudis expect of us. The Saudis would prefer we support the Shiite population and the whole scene reeks to high heaven of thier (Saudi) interference. Something funny going on here…


  12. GSD says:

    The US/Bush policy broadcasted the punch for all of December and all of January. Of course the insurgents and militias have gone underground and have moved out of Baghdad where the US was planning Operation Stay and Die.

    Nice work Bush and McCain and Joe Lieberman.

    -GSD


  13. michael says:

    “Yes, because torture and gulags are the American way. Traitor.

    Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 10, 2007 @ 1:53 pm”

    It is? And I’m sure you can provide us with some examples to back up your stupid statement?


  14. Smack says:

    I doubt you can even find Iraq on a map, Michael.
    I doubt you know the meaning of the terms ‘Conservative’ or ‘Liberal’ , Michael.
    I doubt you know much of anything about this country’s history, because if you did, you’d be as outraged as the majority of Americans – Conservative and Liberal.

    You are a sycophant for an anachronistic political philosophy ,(Neo-Conservatism) whose time has come and go.

    I know that you will continue to spew your venom, here and elsewhere. I just want you to know that you aren’t fooling anyone here, except yourself. There is nothing you could ever say to convince NORMAL people here that Bush and Co. are anything but the worst sort of Traitorous Criminals.

    I wish you’d just go away, but I know you won’t. You feed of the negative energy you generate. Mission accomplished, Michael.

    You are despised here.


  15. michael says:

    “Confidence in our military ”

    No you don’t! One of your loser buddies said above:

    “now we are going to be in the middle of a civil war. The Iraq Meat Grinder has just shifted to a higher speed”


  16. michael says:

    “It is more than one person. You can’t froget Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, PNAC, AEI, etc. You.

    Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 10, 2007 @ 1:55 pm”

    And you probably can’t even explain why?


  17. Wayne says:

    Ahh, michael is back.

    lets see where were we…

    Ahh, you were going to provide a link for your statement on how many were at the DC ralley.
    Also a few of us requested your MOS when you got out of service.

    Inquiring minds want to know, micheal


  18. Jules says:

    Inquiring minds want to know, micheal

    Comment by Wayne — February 10, 2007 @ 2:19 pm

    He conveniently “disappears” when confronted. I have not one time seen him prove or provide a link to one of his inane comments.

    Pity we cannot get better trolls these days!!


  19. Juan C says:

    Inquiring minds want to know, micheal
    Comment by Wayne

    You are hilarious, Wayne. :)
    Poor Michael, lying boy…


  20. Briseadh na Faire says:


    Pity we cannot get better trolls these days!!

    Comment by Jules — February 10, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

    I think this dates back to the Reagan era cutting of funding for mental health. There is now a smaller pool of institutionalized individuals for Rove to draw from to fill the troll’s ranks.


  21. Wayne says:

    There is now a smaller pool of institutionalized individuals for Rove to draw from to fill the troll’s ranks.
    —- Briseadh na Faire

    LOL, good one.


  22. pigboy says:

    This ain’t about anything other than a massive PR Blitz here at home and has nothing to do with “wining” anything. Shrub only wants to prime the pump and escalate this ‘war’ to claim the Iranians are behind it all. Nothing more. If people get away or get killed in the PR Blitz it won’t matter to shrub or dicky.


  23. s says:

    Jules, Smack and Spudge Boy. Michael is part of “team BS”….the troll parade that punches in regularly to try to keep back the forces of reason. These people cannot think. They want to “trust the military” and want to be taken care of. They want to build a moat around themselves and invite only those inside that can prop up their fantasys. They are the ultimate cowards…afraid to question and afraid of the truth. Great job confronting this swill.


  24. veritas says:

    Everyone knows now that this was a “Feith-based war” to enable the war profiteers at the expense of the american people.


  25. s says:

    # 29 veritas…….oh yes

    Let us hope that a full blown “crisis of Feith” now sets in that will bring these thugs down


  26. veritas says:

    Although Feith has become the self-proclaimed scapegoat for the Bush Cabal, the people know that the buck stops at the top. These Rethugs believe that they are not responsible for the individuals in their employ – to whom they delegate. Just like the hit man hired by the irrate spouse, guess who goes to jail as well???

    It’s time to hold the “master minds” for all of the wrongdoing culpable and not allow them to continue to “pass the buck”.

    The Dems are not moving quickly enough and, if they do not bring about impeachment proceedings (there is plenty there to impeach upon) immediately, this country will find itself engaged in another imperialistic, illegal, amoral and senseless (not to mention one which will bankrupt this country economically and devastate it from the outside in) war.


  27. veritas says:

    But since we’ve been involved as “monkey in the middle” (or money in the middle as the case may also be) for almost a year now, let’s not call another war what it really is and, instead, call it a mere “escalation”. I believe the Bush Cabal is currently attempting to rewire Webster’s dictionary.


  28. veritas says:

    Michael Troll is comical in it’s attempt to continue to hijack the TP threads. What a joker!


  29. Whitey HermAphrodite says:

    Sort of like how you liberals reveal our intelligence gathering methods, our secret prisons!

    Dude… Bush and Maliki were publicly boasting about this suppposed crackdown/surge for weeks, if not months. No intelligence leak needed for that one.

    We know people like you think that informtion like “how far you need shove a broomstick up a childs a3s to get his dad to give you information” is top secret intelligence gathering info, but that, like pretty much everything else you say, is absurd. Bright lights, loud noises, sleep deprivation, drug injection, physical threats/abuse, pretending you know more than you already do, threats against family members, offers of leniency….these interrogation methods are readily known and discussed on the internet, and if you really think we have some super secret way of touturing people that only works because nobody else knows what it is, thats retarded. Your naive talking points make it obvious your as uneducated and ignorant as that hermaphrodite thats been mysteriously quiet around here, or at least isnt using the same handle since she/he it was outed as meth addled metal fan and not a lawyer.

    What? You have no confidence in our military?

    I understand that some things cannot be done. You cannot create “good guys” in a land where there are none. I dont think many people are arguing that the Us military can’t break things and kill people very well, the REAL issue is who are we allying ourselves with. The Shias are worse then the Sunnis.. thats why the same people pushing to invade Iraq helped saddam gas them 20 years ago.

    you sound like some other recently troll, you people always have to try and bring it back to “the troops” and thier place in some imaginary Star Wars type epic where the bad guys and the good guys are plainly labeled. So no micheal, I have no confidence that the american military can create good guys in Iraq where they dont exist. Armies are created to destroy stuff and break things.. not nationbuilding. I believe Dumbya actually said while running for presnit in 2000, until his handlers told him he needed to flip flop and invade iraq.

    micheal, please share with us which political parties in IRaq which have any real power are ones which are going to bring us a stable democracy which isnt heavily influenced by Islamic law and Iran?


  30. Marie says:

    Why are we going after Iraqi Sunnis at the behest of Iraqi Shiites? Whose lackey are we? Seems pretty clear that we are totally immersed in a civil war, and no matter how it turns out, we lose.


  31. Wayne says:

    They are the ultimate cowards…afraid to question and afraid of the truth. — s

    Yeah,it’s really interesting he tried to use my statement to argue with Spudge_boy , yet refuses to answer my questions for proof of previous statements.

    The Dems are not moving quickly enough — veritas

    yeah there was just an article on that subject.

    Democratic voters growing impatient with Congress


  32. Marie says:

    BTW, troll Michael is simply too stupid to reply to.


  33. veritas says:

    #3 you are absolutely right as in the Judith Miller case where the WH drafted up the information, sent it to Miller and Miller posted it in the NYTimes…..then the WH self-referred back to the information contained in the NY Times (Judith’s column) and used the very same information they cooked up in the first place as substantiation for their claim and upon which they were basing their findings. Pretty amazing stuff. They create the propaganda (lies), send it off to one of their “sycophants” in the mainstream media who believes they have the exclusive on it and hurriedly prints it….only to find that the authors then use it to puff up their logic. This is a propaganda circle jerk extraordinaire; that is, until the people discover their game! And they have.


  34. veritas says:

    Of course, the alternate possibility also exists that the sycophantic media whores knew it was propaganda in the first place and therefore are as culpable about spinning lies as truth as the ones creating it?? I think we need to get to the bottom of all of it.


  35. Manhattanite says:

    “Iraqi commanders are urging the Americans to go after Sunni targets as the first focus of the military push to secure Baghdad, displaying a sectarian tilt that is delaying full implementation of the plan to drive gunmen from the streets”

    That is just great. Now we are helping the Shia with their ethnic cleansing. No wonder the entire world hates us.


  36. Jet Mech says:

    Sort of like how you GOPers reveal our intelligence gathering methods, our secret prisons! _michael

    Hahahahaha your a real piece of work aint you Michael.

    Stay out of them adult bookstores ok?


  37. Jet Mech says:

    US think tank (CFR) urges retreat from Iraq
    An independent think tank warned that the situation in
    Iraq was beyond repair and urged that US forces should be pulled out whatever the result of the current “surge” of troops into Baghdad.
    A report from Washington’s Council on Foreign Relations concluded that a US military victory was impossible in Iraq, where “amateurish” post-invasion rule by American officials had seen Iraq collapse into civil war.

    So Michael whaddya think about this that the CFR (that Bush, Ford, Clinton Gingrich) has to say?

    I guess your gonna try to call them liberals?
    GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!


  38. Jet Mech says:

    http://www.cfr.org
    New Report Calls for Military Disengagement From Iraq

    Say Michael I read a poll from ‘promise keepers’ that some 75% of your type had porno addictions.

    Care to comment on those “values”?

    All them frigid women making ya a bit horny?
    Making you want to go pull a Pee Wee Herman in the dark rooms of a porno theatre?

    Hahahahaha


  39. Briseadh na Faire says:

    OFF TOPIC:

    Democrats note Cheney incident on their calendar

    Corpus Christi Caller-Times

    U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi sent out the Democrats’ 2007 calendar this week, which includes the House vote schedule, holidays, commemorative days, the dates when key economic data is published, the anniversaries of key acts of Congress and other special events.

    Included in the calendar is a Feb. 11 entry reminding House members of the anniversary of the day Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot fellow hunter Harry Whittington at the Armstrong Ranch.

    The item reads simply, “Cheney hunting accident (2006).”


  40. veritas says:

    Whatever happened to Dumbya’s official statement regarding “getting our troops out of harm’s way in the event of a Civil war?”. Once again, big fat lie! “Bush on the Couch” by Dr. Justin A. Frank is an eye-opener and makes the dx that this guy is certifiably sociopathic.


  41. Zooey says:

    The item reads simply, “Cheney hunting accident (2006).”
    Comment by Briseadh na Faire

    HI-LARIOUS!


  42. E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy says:

    Does anyone have any twink or preteen sex videos for sale or trade?

    My present collection is boring the hell out of me. Trades and cash?
    I prefer young boy videos age 4-8 is my age range. Anyone?
    I like to seduce them with Fudge Stripe cookies by Keebler.

    Hence my name, E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy. I like to play the role of E.L. Fudge, the Keebler elf.
    The boys get transfixed with what I say and this is when I make my move.

    Email me about your offers.

    E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy


  43. E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy III says:

    Does anyone have any twink or preteen sex videos for sale or trade?

    My present collection is boring the hell out of me. Trades and cash?
    I prefer young boy videos age 4-8 is my age range. Anyone?
    I like to seduce them with Fudge Stripe cookies by Keebler.

    Hence my name, E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy. I like to play the role of E.L. Fudge, the Keebler elf.
    The boys get transfixed with what I say and this is when I make my move.

    Email me about your offers.

    E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy


  44. E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy II says:

    Does anyone have any twink or preteen sex videos for sale or trade?

    My present collection is boring the hell out of me. Trades and cash?
    I prefer young boy videos age 4-8 is my age range. Anyone?
    I like to seduce them with Fudge Stripe cookies by Keebler.

    Hence my name, E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy. I like to play the role of E.L. Fudge, the Keebler elf.
    The boys get transfixed with what I say and this is when I make my move.

    Email me about your offers.

    E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy


  45. hacker bob says:

    Comment by E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy II — February 10, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

    Hey, you sick, child porn obsessed, f*ck. Post this crap elsewhere. If you can not even attempt honest, intellectual debate then shut up.


  46. WaltTheMan says:

    #50 – hacker bob,
    Ignore the tripe, er, trolls until TP can filter them out. They are the eqivalent to the NAZIs who jammed RFE(Radio Free Europe) during WWII.


  47. JPark says:

  48. JPark says:

    EL, you are on the wrong site. You might want to try the righty closet queen sites like redstate.


  49. troll alert says:

    E.L. Fudge… = rachel b.


  50. wake-n-bake says:

    who jammed RFE(Radio Free Europe) during WWII.
    Comment by WaltTheMan

    GREAT REM song too, BTW.


  51. wake-n-bake says:

    Ignore trolls and re-deploy ON TOPIC discussion…


  52. hacker bob says:

    Comment by WaltTheMan

    You know, I try not to take the bait but sometimes I just can’t help myself. I guess it is an impulse control issue. I just hate to see that crap sit on threads when much less offensive stuff gets deleted.



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