Comments on: WSJ’s Paul Gigot: ‘We Didn’t Go To War Because Of Al Qaeda Links’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:57:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Vince P http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-5/#comment-1722652 Vince P Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:58:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1722652 Cole must think the world trade center towers were designed to topple over intact. lol. Cole must think the world trade center towers were designed to topple over intact. lol.

]]> By: Cole http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-5/#comment-1722616 Cole Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:51:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1722616 = honestly would not be surprised if one day we find out that Bush and the neonut gang knew ==== How can you say that? Just because the Bin Laden family is thick with the bush family and Osama is a son? Or just because Osama, sitting in a cave knew the date of a planned simulated attack on 911? And there was to be a stand down? Coincidence and pure dumb luck. Just because there was a quick hiding of and removal of all forensic evidence? Just because a Boing 757 would not fit in the hole in the Pentagon? Just because three buildings went down right into their footings? How can you say that? And the Hinkley family is thick with the bush family and a Hinkley son shot Reagan a few months into his presidentcy. Coincidence and lightening striking twice is not unusual. = honestly would not be surprised if one day we find out that Bush and the neonut gang knew ====
How can you say that? Just because the Bin Laden family is thick with the bush family and Osama is a son? Or just because Osama, sitting in a cave knew the date of a planned simulated attack on 911? And there was to be a stand down? Coincidence and pure dumb luck. Just because there was a quick hiding of and removal of all forensic evidence? Just because a Boing 757 would not fit in the hole in the Pentagon? Just because three buildings went down right into their footings? How can you say that?

And the Hinkley family is thick with the bush family and a Hinkley son shot Reagan a few months into his presidentcy. Coincidence and lightening striking twice is not unusual.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-5/#comment-1721708 keith Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:00:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1721708 I ain't saying they did it----but the Project for a New American Century did say they wanted to take a huge chunk of the Middle East because of its oil and natural gas---but that it would take "a new Pearl Harbor" before the American people would go along. It's in black and white. You could look it up. What's the average intercept time for a plane off course? Seven minutes? None were intercepted on 9/11 even though they had up to 100 minutes after the first hit the WTC. I ain't saying they did it. Who was in charge of security for the WTC and Reagan Airport? Marvin Bush and a Dubai firm? I ain't saying they did it. I ain’t saying they did it—-but the Project for a New American Century did say they wanted to take a huge chunk of the Middle East because of its oil and natural gas—but that it would take “a new Pearl Harbor” before the American people would go along. It’s in black and white. You could look it up. What’s the average intercept time for a plane off course? Seven minutes? None were intercepted on 9/11 even though they had up to 100 minutes after the first hit the WTC. I ain’t saying they did it. Who was in charge of security for the WTC and Reagan Airport? Marvin Bush and a Dubai firm? I ain’t saying they did it.

]]> By: John Kumma http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1721450 John Kumma Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:26:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1721450 Gigot is right , Bush and the neonuts invaded Iraq for oil and to profit from this so called "war"in the process . Al Qaeda , Bin Laden and 9 11 were all they needed , their dream come true , the perfect vehicle to enable them to get away with the invasion . I honestly would not be surprised if one day we find out that Bush and the neonut gang knew of the 911 plot before hand or even had a hand in it . The lives of others are of no concern to these people, they are only numbers and statistics , collateral , they have proved that . Treason , sabotage ... these guys are capable of doing just about anything to further their agenda , they have proved that too. Gigot is right , Bush and the neonuts invaded Iraq for oil and to profit from this so called “war”in the process . Al Qaeda , Bin Laden and 9 11 were all they needed , their dream come true , the perfect vehicle to enable them to get away with the invasion . I honestly would not be surprised if one day we find out that Bush and the neonut gang knew of the 911 plot before hand or even had a hand in it . The lives of others are of no concern to these people, they are only numbers and statistics , collateral , they have proved that . Treason , sabotage … these guys are capable of doing just about anything to further their agenda , they have proved that too.

]]> By: Ennealogic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1721355 Ennealogic Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:17:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1721355 You know, ages ago I wrote a post somewhere, after we pre-emptively invaded Iraq, asking the rest of the world to recognize what was happening and to exert some influence. My rationale then as now is that we the people of the US are not going to be able to force the necessary course corrections ourselves. It is going to take the rest of the world -- with whom we exist in some kind of reciprocal relationship -- to give us a hand. Come on, Europe. China. Russia. Far East. Down Under. Exert fiscal pressure. Use your bully pulpits, like Putin just did, to lay it on the line. The arrogant and foolhardy, supercilious stupidity perpetrated on the rest of the world by our own government must end. Trade out dollars for something else. Blockade your ports. Sanction the US! For God's sake, don't wait until it is too late to take action. We're writing our congresspeople and marching and blogging and podcasting and there's at least 70% of us now who know what the score is. If we raise arms, we are going to be cordoned off and thrown into internment camps, courtesy of Halliburton, and thanks to the un-Patriot Act, we'll vanish forever. Please lend us a hand. We the people who love our country and what it used to stand for beg you. You know, ages ago I wrote a post somewhere, after we pre-emptively invaded Iraq, asking the rest of the world to recognize what was happening and to exert some influence. My rationale then as now is that we the people of the US are not going to be able to force the necessary course corrections ourselves. It is going to take the rest of the world — with whom we exist in some kind of reciprocal relationship — to give us a hand.

Come on, Europe. China. Russia. Far East. Down Under. Exert fiscal pressure. Use your bully pulpits, like Putin just did, to lay it on the line. The arrogant and foolhardy, supercilious stupidity perpetrated on the rest of the world by our own government must end.

Trade out dollars for something else. Blockade your ports. Sanction the US!

For God’s sake, don’t wait until it is too late to take action. We’re writing our congresspeople and marching and blogging and podcasting and there’s at least 70% of us now who know what the score is. If we raise arms, we are going to be cordoned off and thrown into internment camps, courtesy of Halliburton, and thanks to the un-Patriot Act, we’ll vanish forever.

Please lend us a hand. We the people who love our country and what it used to stand for beg you.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1721234 keith Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:59:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1721234 Chemical and biological weapons do not remain potent for fifteen years. Sometimes their "life" is only months. If the weapons inspectors had NOT disposed of them and if they WERE buried in the desert---they would be useless. Chemical and biological weapons do not remain potent for fifteen years. Sometimes their “life” is only months. If the weapons inspectors had NOT disposed of them and if they WERE buried in the desert—they would be useless.

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1721194 keith Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:55:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1721194 Re: #195 You are referring to 1988 when, strongly supported by the Reagan-Bush administration and good buddy Rumsfeld, Iraq was in a war with Iran and the Kurds in that part of Iraq sided with Iran. Yes it is horribly wrong to gas thousands of civilians. Just as it is wrong to cause the deaths of 655,000 Iraqis by our illegal invasion and occupation. Carter had sanctions against any WMD materials going to Iraq. When the Reagan-Bush administration came in, they quickly got rid of the sanctions. When the killings happened in 1988 the Reagan-Bush administration blamed Iran. All Americans to the left of center and organizations such as the Red Cross, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the UN condemned Saddam. Everyone knows Saddam had poison gas in 1988. Rummy still has the receipts!!! That is not the debate. The debate is obviously: DID HE HAVE WMD IN LATE 2002-EARLY 2003 ? !!! Was there an urgency in March 2003 for an invasion of Iraq because "we could not wait for the mushroom cloud" or because he might give WMD's to his sworn hated enemy al Qaeda? The UN weapons inspectors were very effective in the 1990's in disposing of the remnants of Iraq's WMD programs and materials. By late 2002, they could find nothing and were begging the Bush administration to tell them where they thought they should look if they were so sure such WMD's existed. The Bush administration could not. They did say we know he has 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX: and 38,000 liters of botulinim, and 25,000 liters of anthrax; and 30,000 delivery munitions. They just didn't know where to suggest the inspectors look and we just haven't found them the last four years we controlled the country. Probably buried in the desert somewhere, huh? Re: #195
You are referring to 1988 when, strongly supported by the Reagan-Bush administration and good buddy Rumsfeld, Iraq was in a war with Iran and the Kurds in that part of Iraq sided with Iran. Yes it is horribly wrong to gas thousands of civilians. Just as it is wrong to cause the deaths of 655,000 Iraqis by our illegal invasion and occupation.
Carter had sanctions against any WMD materials going to Iraq. When the Reagan-Bush administration came in, they quickly got rid of the sanctions.
When the killings happened in 1988 the Reagan-Bush administration blamed Iran. All Americans to the left of center and organizations such as the Red Cross, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the UN condemned Saddam.
Everyone knows Saddam had poison gas in 1988. Rummy still has the receipts!!! That is not the debate. The debate is obviously: DID HE HAVE WMD IN LATE 2002-EARLY 2003 ? !!! Was there an urgency in March 2003 for an invasion of Iraq because “we could not wait for the mushroom cloud” or because he might give WMD’s to his sworn hated enemy al Qaeda?
The UN weapons inspectors were very effective in the 1990’s in disposing of the remnants of Iraq’s WMD programs and materials. By late 2002, they could find nothing and were begging the Bush administration to tell them where they thought they should look if they were so sure such WMD’s existed. The Bush administration could not. They did say we know he has 500 tons of sarin, mustard, and VX: and 38,000 liters of botulinim, and 25,000 liters of anthrax; and 30,000 delivery munitions. They just didn’t know where to suggest the inspectors look and we just haven’t found them the last four years we controlled the country. Probably buried in the desert somewhere, huh?

]]> By: Luke http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1721055 Luke Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:42:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1721055 #195: <em>Explain to the people of Al-Anfal in the Kurdistan region of Iraq that Saddam didn’t have WMD’s.</em> First of all, "al-Anfal" refers to a verse in the Koran, and is another name for Saddam Hussein's operation against the Kurds. It's not the name of a region. Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against the Kurds in 1988. Do you actually think those are the same WMD's that Bush used to justify war against Iraq in 2003? Or are you just trying to make yourself look smart? If it's the latter, how's that working out for you? #195: Explain to the people of Al-Anfal in the Kurdistan region of Iraq that Saddam didn’t have WMD’s.

First of all, “al-Anfal” refers to a verse in the Koran, and is another name for Saddam Hussein’s operation against the Kurds. It’s not the name of a region.

Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons against the Kurds in 1988. Do you actually think those are the same WMD’s that Bush used to justify war against Iraq in 2003? Or are you just trying to make yourself look smart? If it’s the latter, how’s that working out for you?

]]> By: Private CONTRACTOR http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1720413 Private CONTRACTOR Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:50:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1720413 Explain to the people of Al-Anfal in the Kurdistan region of Iraq that Saddam didn't have WMD's. Explain to the people of Al-Anfal in the Kurdistan region of Iraq that Saddam didn’t have WMD’s.

]]> By: tom baker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1717974 tom baker Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:33:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1717974 extra troll attention on any thread is evidence of righty's priority list. funny they think they can sway participants here the way they sway poll respondents with loaded questions and false choices. obviously they're using the same pr companies that they've used in the past for direct-mail and cold-call operations. extra troll attention on any thread is evidence of righty’s priority list. funny they think they can sway participants here the way they sway poll respondents with loaded questions and false choices. obviously they’re using the same pr companies that they’ve used in the past for direct-mail and cold-call operations.

]]> By: Luke http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1715905 Luke Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:37:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1715905 #196: <em>Why dont you folks leave the government up to the professional government?</em> From the U.S. Constitution: "<strong>We the people</strong> of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." It sounds to me that you'd prefer to live in a country where a religiously oriented "professional government" rules, and where citizens are discouraged from questioning their government and military. I can recommend plenty of such places, including Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. Why don't you try living in one of these countries for a while, and then get back to us? #196: Why dont you folks leave the government up to the professional government?

From the U.S. Constitution: “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

It sounds to me that you’d prefer to live in a country where a religiously oriented “professional government” rules, and where citizens are discouraged from questioning their government and military. I can recommend plenty of such places, including Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. Why don’t you try living in one of these countries for a while, and then get back to us?

]]> By: Pastor Foster http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1712595 Pastor Foster Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:21:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1712595 I have a few legitimate questions I would like an honest answer to from the posters here at Thin Progress. Here goes. Why dont you folks leave the government up to the professional government? Why dont you folks leave the military up to the professional military? What do you folks strive for? What do you strive against? What is the goal here? Define the goal? Define US politics today in detail. Define US geo-politics & policies today in detail. What is an enemy? Who is the enemy? Why are there enemies of the US? Why are there allies of the US? Who is an ally of the US? Why are they an ally. What is Christianity? Why is there Christianity? Who are these Christians? What are Jews? Why is there the Jewish faith? Who are these Jews? Why does mankind have a common bond? Does mankind even have a common bond? What is that bond? The answers to all of these questions and many more are available in the best-selling book of ALL TIME! The Bible. I have a few legitimate questions I would like an honest answer to from the posters here at Thin Progress.

Here goes.

Why dont you folks leave the government up to the professional government?

Why dont you folks leave the military up to the professional military?

What do you folks strive for?
What do you strive against?

What is the goal here?
Define the goal?

Define US politics today in detail.
Define US geo-politics & policies today in detail.

What is an enemy?
Who is the enemy?

Why are there enemies of the US?
Why are there allies of the US?
Who is an ally of the US?
Why are they an ally.

What is Christianity?
Why is there Christianity?
Who are these Christians?

What are Jews?
Why is there the Jewish faith?
Who are these Jews?

Why does mankind have a common bond?
Does mankind even have a common bond?
What is that bond?

The answers to all of these questions and many more are available in the best-selling book of ALL TIME!

The Bible.

]]> By: TP Staff http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1711060 TP Staff Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:09:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1711060 Frig TP! Talk about 9-11 on the Iran thread above. TP doesn’t give a sh*t about trolls, so why should we keep our end of the bargin? 9-11 was a conspiracy! Talk about it on the other thread. Screw them. Comment by trueblue — February 11, 2007 @ 11:51 pm Let`s stay on topic instead. And by the way, you are WAY off target and off the mark for insulting me and the staff here at TP. So piss off! Frig TP!
Talk about 9-11 on the Iran thread above.
TP doesn’t give a sh*t about trolls, so why should we keep our end of the bargin?

9-11 was a conspiracy! Talk about it on the other thread.
Screw them.

Comment by trueblue — February 11, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

Let`s stay on topic instead. And by the way, you are WAY off target and off the mark for insulting me and the staff here at TP.

So piss off!

]]> By: keith http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1710524 keith Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:34:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1710524 So, Saddam was going to give the WMD's that he most definitely did not have (nor did he have a current nuclear program in 2003 nor the materials) to his sworn enemy who hated him because he had been strongly suppressing fundamentalist Islamists for decades. Thank you, right-wing trolls. You have made it perfectly clear to me. But, riddle me this: Why did we not attack Pakistan ?!?! Pakistan most definitely HAS nuclear weapons and the delivery systems. Pakistan had sold the technology to North Korea. Pakistan had for decades been strongly supporting the Mujahadin, the Taliban, and al Qaeda. The head of Pakistani Intelligence had been wiring money to those in the USA responsible for 9/11. Osama and his men DID flee to Pakistan from Afghanistan (with the help of the Pakistanis). They are still there today. Pakistan is headed by a strongly repressive dictator who was never elected. The reason for our invasion and occupation of Iraq is the same as the last 100 invasions by the US: we wanted to control that part of the world. We ain't building fourteen permanent bases for nothing. A major reason we want to control that part of the world is the OIL. Any sixth-grader should be able to figure it out. So, Saddam was going to give the WMD’s that he most definitely did not have (nor did he have a current nuclear program in 2003 nor the materials) to his sworn enemy who hated him because he had been strongly suppressing fundamentalist Islamists for decades. Thank you, right-wing trolls. You have made it perfectly clear to me.
But, riddle me this: Why did we not attack Pakistan ?!?! Pakistan most definitely HAS nuclear weapons and the delivery systems. Pakistan had sold the technology to North Korea. Pakistan had for decades been strongly supporting the Mujahadin, the Taliban, and al Qaeda. The head of Pakistani Intelligence had been wiring money to those in the USA responsible for 9/11. Osama and his men DID flee to Pakistan from Afghanistan (with the help of the Pakistanis). They are still there today. Pakistan is headed by a strongly repressive dictator who was never elected.
The reason for our invasion and occupation of Iraq is the same as the last 100 invasions by the US: we wanted to control that part of the world. We ain’t building fourteen permanent bases for nothing. A major reason we want to control that part of the world is the OIL. Any sixth-grader should be able to figure it out.

]]> By: trueblue http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1710306 trueblue Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:04:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1710306 Frig TP! Talk about 9-11 on the Iran thread above. TP doesn’t give a sh*t about trolls, so why should we keep our end of the bargin? 9-11 was a conspiracy! Talk about it on the other thread. Screw them. Comment by trueblue — February 11, 2007 @ 11:51 pm Frig TP!
Talk about 9-11 on the Iran thread above.
TP doesn’t give a sh*t about trolls, so why should we keep our end of the bargin?

9-11 was a conspiracy! Talk about it on the other thread.
Screw them.

Comment by trueblue — February 11, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

]]> By: One Citizen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1710299 One Citizen Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:02:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1710299 #193 ...not to mention the war profiteering. #193

…not to mention the war profiteering.

]]> By: Reality http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1710108 Reality Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:39:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1710108 IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OIL. always was. always will be. IT’S ALL ABOUT THE OIL. always was. always will be.

]]> By: Ron Paul for pres http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1710019 Ron Paul for pres Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:26:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1710019 See that's how you should show the clip. Show the comeback. Show Juan Williams totally owning the stupid mouthpieces by simply explaining reality to them. See that’s how you should show the clip. Show the comeback. Show Juan Williams totally owning the stupid mouthpieces by simply explaining reality to them.

]]> By: Luke http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1709812 Luke Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:59:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1709812 #187: <em>You people are a threat to our speech rights.</em> Beg pardon? When did anyone here ever suggest stripping you--or anyone else--of your right to free speech? #187: You people are a threat to our speech rights.

Beg pardon? When did anyone here ever suggest stripping you–or anyone else–of your right to free speech?

]]> By: Barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/comment-page-4/#comment-1709753 Barfly Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:50:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/11/gigot-iraq-qaeda/#comment-1709753 <em>You people are a threat to our speech rights.</em> Comment by Vince P You're a threat to yourself, and others, and you should have an intervention, <em>soon</em>. You people are a threat to our speech rights.

Comment by Vince P

You’re a threat to yourself, and others, and you should have an intervention, soon.

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