Hawkish U.S. rhetoric
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They’re strengthening the dude they helped put in power in the first place.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:14 pmHawkish? And by who`s standards? Yours?
February 11th, 2007 at 4:17 pmHardly credible.
No doubt that the Iranian leader has been waning in his own internal polls, and is seeking confrontation with America to boost his ratings.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:19 pmWasn’t he one of the original terrorists who took Americans hostage during the crisis? It would only be following an established republican tradition: empowering terrorists is what they do best, after all, with their boneheaded “realpolitic” solutions.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWith one tool on the Dubya diplomatic toolbet, a hammer, everything looks like a nail. What a pathetic failed simpleton.
Vegas odds on the USA surviing the Failure in Chief is 50:50
February 11th, 2007 at 4:25 pmBush proves once again that there is no world crisis he can’t make worse.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:27 pmBush is of such a grade school intellect he thinks that by saying something bullyish like, “Bring it on”, they won’t. These Muslims aren’t afraid of dying. To them, that is the supreme sacrifice and a martyr’s death is an honor. If George had any sense, he would realize this. From the beginning, I think he actually enjoys fanning the flames of the atmosphere in the Middle East. He thinks that he is God’s instrument and his destiny is one of greatness, battling these brown-skinned devils that have thier feet standing on top of his oil. He feels he has something to prove to his father and rest of the family. He really is a pathetic and mentally deficient child who demands acceptance, or else he’ll throw his temper tantrum.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:45 pmLearing Curve?
“No doubt that the Iranian leader has been waning in his own internal polls, and is seeking confrontation with America to boost his ratings.”
You have that completly bass ackwards fella.
Ahmedinijad and Bush both have lousy poll ratings.
Bush is sending three aircraft carrier groups in an attempt to boost HIS ratings at the risk of starting WWIII.
In a typical display of utter failure Bush’s plan actually helps the Iranian President.
Oh,I forgot, Bush thinks WWIII will make Jeebus come so to him it’s not a risk. It’s his destiny.
Oh shit!
February 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmanother sure sign that Bush does everything wrong
February 11th, 2007 at 4:52 pmLooks like it might be strengthening old Vladimir Pooty Poot Putin too.
Russian website claims US prepping for war with Russia.
-GSD
February 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWhy does Dubya and Darth Cheney hate America and the rest of the world?
February 11th, 2007 at 4:57 pmGWB has the reverse Midas touch — everything he touches turns to shit.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:12 pm#4 Wasn’t he one of the original terrorists who took Americans hostage during the crisis?
We use the term “terrorist” so loosely now that the word has become diluted and meaningless. To the Iranians/Persians and the majority of Arabs Bush, Cheney, Israel, and the American military are regarded as terrorist entities. So what gives and anyway whats an “original” terrorist?
February 11th, 2007 at 5:12 pm#4
Wasn’t he one of the original terrorists who took Americans hostage during the crisis?
No, that was speculated and then disproven.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:25 pmThis is a mutual gift from Bush to Ahmadinejad. Both are slipping in popularity, Bush more than Ahmadinejad; and this strokes Bush’s ego while giving Ahmadinejad more status with his people.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:30 pmBush futilely enjoys the bullying of the might-makes-right cowboy mentality, while the guy he bullies gains stature. Short term for Bush – long term for Ahmadinejad.
That’s Bush – the guy who can’t/won’t think beyond the nose on his face.
I’ll tell you what strengthens Iran: Democrats taking over Congress and all you scumbags libs. We need to continue spreading freedom. Iran is in the way of that. Therefore, we need to invade them.
I hear no outrage from any of you about reports that Iran is sending explosives to Iraq to kill US troops. Do you guys ever side with America?
February 11th, 2007 at 5:37 pmCorrect me if I am wrong, but isn’t Ahmadinejad currently defying the UN?
February 11th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThese guys never learn, and I mean NEVER. Their aggressive b.s. caused the student protests to be shut down last time.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:43 pmCorrect me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the United States currently defying the UN? By going into Iraq in 2003?
February 11th, 2007 at 5:48 pmDear chithead (16)
China is standingin the way of Freedom and Democracy……
Go invade…………
moron.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:04 pmThe world has taken on all of the new Iraq style democracy that it can stand.
Looks alot like anarchy to me.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:10 pmComment by Zooey
Currently no, they are there by UN mandate.
2003 is not currently, it is past.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:29 pmhacker bob,
Even if it’s past, it doesn’t make it right.
Nyquil is nice…
February 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmJust distinguishing between past and present.
did you try the mint tea?
February 11th, 2007 at 6:40 pmHawkish U.S. ACTIONS is what put Ahmadinejad in power (in 2005) in the first place.
Bushco elevates the threat level to foment aggressive war for profit.
Benedict Arnold, move over. There’s a new traitor in town.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:41 pmdid you try the mint tea?
Comment by hacker bob
Yes. F*ck mint tea.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:43 pmzooey – what’d you do? …go and get yourself exposed to new germs as well as a new education?
try the mucinex (generic, of course) – gets it out of the chest…
OBAMA on 60minutes…
February 11th, 2007 at 6:49 pmkaty,
Same germs, hanging on. Tried mint tea, see above. Tried mucinex, tossed that. Tried other stuff. Now it’s Nyquil, and I don’t care anymore. :)
February 11th, 2007 at 6:56 pm2003 is not currently, it is past.
Comment by hacker bob
This is a list about US vetoing UN resolutions. I have posted this before. When do we bomb US, bob?
February 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmYes. F*ck mint tea.
Comment by Zooey
Remember what I said about mint tea and chicken soup together. The conflict should knock everything out.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI hear no outrage from any of you about reports that Iran is sending explosives to Iraq to kill US troops.
Comment by firehead
Iran is probably fighting americans there so they dont have to fight americans in Iran. Can you blame them? Oh, the irony of life…
February 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pmComment by Juan C
Now look up Russias record. Much worse than ours.
For the record, I am against the US taking action in Iran.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:01 pmNow look up Russias record. Much worse than ours.
Comment by hacker bob
Agreed.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:08 pmfreak alert — comment #33
February 11th, 2007 at 7:09 pmOops. Wrong comment. #38, not #33.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:09 pmComment by scully from scullyville — February 11, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
February 11th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by scully from scullyville — February 11, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
So have you volunteered for duty at the front line of the Iran invasion?
February 11th, 2007 at 7:11 pmIran is not a threat to the U.S.. It is the U.S. under the Bush Administration that has caused all the problems in the world.
The U.S. has caused Iran to act aggressively. The U.S. by threatening to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities and detaining the Iranians at their consulate in Erbil, Iraq.
Alot of the other problems Iran has with the U.S. is when the U.S. CIA overthrew a democratically elected leader, Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh, and re-installed the Shah to power. That is why the U.S. Embassy was taken by Iranian revolutionaries in 1979 and because the U.S. supported the Shah.
The only reason the U.S. wants Iran is because they want to steal their oil and natural gas.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:16 pmTroll Alert – Comment #33. Please do not feed the trolls.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:18 pmMoronic Bush policies have lead Al Qaeda and the world to believe that the US military can be held to a standstill by a “handfull of dead-enders”.
I mean the US has been unable to mop up the Taliban, a stone age group of theocrats in Afghanistan for 5 years now.
Nice work, nice way of making America look weak. asshats.
-GSD
February 11th, 2007 at 7:20 pmTo GSD, Bush and his family were friends with the bin Laden family. Figure it out? Who helped Al Qaeda to begin with? The U.S. and the CIA during the 1980’s. Who trained Usama bin Laden? The U.S. and the CIA.
How come after 9/11 that the bin Laden family was allowed to fly out of the U.S. but no one else could get on an airplane? Furthermore, the U.S. Air Force was doing war games with the Canadian Air Force on 9/11. The CIA trained these people like Mohammed Atta to fly airplanes. This 9/11 was staged by the CIA and Bush Administration in order to look like we were being attacked by terrorists. The U.S. was attacked by their own government and then ordered the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.
The U.S. waged an imperialist war against Afghanistan and destroyed that nation to hunt for Osama bin Laden. Bush should start telling the truth about 9/11.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:34 pmBlowup? America’s Hidden War With Iran
By Michael Hirsh and Maziar Bahari
Newsweek
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/021107B.shtml
Iraqi black ops snatches Iranian diplomat.
Part of promoting an incident as excuse for bombing Iran?
” At the embassy, the diplomat’s colleagues were furious. “This was a group directly under American supervision,” said one distraught Iranian official, who was not authorized to speak on the record. Abdul Karim Inizi, a former Iraqi Security minister close to the Iranians, pointed the finger at an Iraqi black-ops unit based out at the Baghdad airport, who answer to American Special Forces officers. “It’s plausible,” says a senior Coalition adviser who is also not authorized to speak on the record. The unit does exist – and does specialize in snatch operations. “
February 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI don’t think we can stop Bush from bombing Iran. But we can bear witness. Keep track. Keep notes. And demand that he and his group be brought to the bar of justice, found guilty of war crimes and possibly treason (for actively undermining the security of the US by falsifying documents and lying to Congress), and then put in jail.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:44 pmThis is just how it went down in Vietnam before the war even widened. Kennedy admin orchestrated coup in South Vietnam govt. and the war got worse and didn’t end for another 10 years.
We may only at the beginning of this nightmare in Iraq Iran folks. The US military junta just loves war. It’s good for bidness.
JFK and the Diem Coup
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm
“Washington D.C., November 5, 2003 – A White House tape of President Kennedy and his advisers, published this week in a new book-and-CD collection and excerpted on the Web, confirms that top U.S. officials sought the November 1, 1963 coup against then-South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem without apparently considering the physical consequences for Diem personally (he was murdered the following day). The taped meeting and related documents show that U.S. officials, including JFK, vastly overestimated their ability to control the South Vietnamese generals who ran the coup 40 years ago this week.”
“The ultimate effect of United States participation in the overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem was to commit Washington to Saigon even more deeply. Having had a hand in the coup America had more responsibility for the South Vietnamese governments that followed Diem. That these military juntas were ineffectual in prosecuting the Vietnam war then required successively greater levels of involvement from the American side. The weakness of the Saigon government thus became a factor in U.S. escalations of the Vietnam war, leading to the major ground war that the administration of Lyndon B. Johnson opened in 1965. “
February 11th, 2007 at 7:55 pmThe CIA had Ngo Dinh Diem murdered in 1963 after the coup.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI think Bush should be impeached for lying to the American people about Iraq and getting us into a senseless war and getting some of our finest men and women killed for no reason. Bush should be impeached and put in prison for lying.
However, other presidents have lied to us as well. Reagan lied to us about Grenada. The New Jewel Movement under Maurice Bishop and Bernard Coard was not a threat to the American college students studying on that island. They were on that island after the revolution took place in 1979. The Grenadian people wanted that revolution. America wanted to overthrow it because U.S. imperialism wanted to control its interests and affairs in the Caribbean.
Reagan also lied to the American people about Libya and its support for terrorism. Libya supported national liberation movements that wanted to free their people from oppression. National liberation movements are not a threat to U.S. security.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:04 pmReagan also supported the slaughter of Guatamalan and Nicaraguan peasants in the name of ’spreading democracy’
February 11th, 2007 at 8:07 pmThe CIA had Ngo Dinh Diem murdered in 1963 after the coup.
Comment by Pinko
A pretty heady statement if I do say so myself. Any proof?
If you cannot provide a link or definitive proof, then why even bother to post such garbage?
Definitive Proof………Or………It didn`t happen.
Got it?
February 11th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWe may not be able to stop him bombing Iran, but perhaps we can bring the first US president to justice for war crimes. It’s not much compensation to the hundreds of thousands he’s caused to die needlessly. But it may prevent the next US President from attempting to do this again.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:09 pmThe only reason why the U.S. supported Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war from 1980-88 is because the U.S. practiced an act called, “Divide and conquer.” The U.S. wanted to weaken both Iraq and Iran and then when the time came, to invade and occupy Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein and then move on to Iraq and invade and occupy that nation and overthrow their government as well. The motive behind this is oil and natural gas. The U.S. wanted to control Iran and Iraq’s oil and gas reserves and that is the motive behind U.S. meddling in Iran today.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:09 pmSame with posts 43-44-45
All bullshit without definitive PROOF!
Course, ChildrenofLir is pretty stupid by nature, and maybe well, maybe he just got his tinfoil hat a little too close to the furnace as a small child and it poached his brain.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:10 pmYes, Reagan slaughtered Nicaragaun peasants and then blamed it on the Sandinistas.
The Sandinistas were a popular democratic government that was widely supported by the people of Nicaragua. Reagan supported the Contras, even after Congress voted not to no longer support the Contras. Reagan illegally did this by sending guns to the Contras by using money made illegally by the CIA bringing drugs up to the U.S.
Guns would go to the Contras and drugs would come back to the U.S..
It was the Contras who slaughtered the Miskito Indians. Not the Sandinistas.
Daniel Ortega in 1984 won the elections by a wide referendum. The U.S. has a history of trying to overthrow popular democratic governments.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:14 pmScully don’t read this post. You might learn something.
re CIA involvement in Diem coup.
“Mendenhall also compiles a set of options the Kennedy administration can take in support of a coup aimed at the Diem government. Note that he mentions providing money or other “inducements” to Vietnamese to join in the plot. The CIA would actually provide $42,000 to the coup plotters during the coup itself (other amounts in support are not known).
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm#8
February 11th, 2007 at 8:15 pmScully, don’t read this post. It’s from the National Security Archives. YOu know, that bastion of left wing disinformation. Scully, warning, you might learn something.
Robert Gates advocated selling arms to Iran in ‘85. It’s great how Iran can be both our armaments customer and our victim. It gives one a warm glow all over. I especially enjoy how selling armaments is viewed as “improving relations”. So Scully the next time you try to improve relations with that inbred cousin you don’t like. Sell him a gun why doncha
“Then, on February 22, the public learned that in 1985 Gates had sent the White House a memorandum from one of his national intelligence officers advocating the improvement of relations with Iran through arms sales, a view at variance with existing estimates. ”
From
February 11th, 2007 at 8:37 pmThe Robert Gates File
The Iran-Contra Scandal, 1991 Confirmation Hearings
National Security Archive
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB208/index.htm
Troll alert! Scully is morphing into gunther schleisser. Sounds like a disease.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:40 pmMy name is Scully. Call me Gunther Schleisser.
Too funny.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:42 pmScully = Gunther Schleisser. Do not feed the trolls. Just ignore them as they disrupt the thread.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:45 pmPinko
February 11th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI do get a great kick out of warning Scully NOT to read my posts. I laugh every time. Great fun playing with trolls. They are so easy to bury with their own bs.
Scully, the real terrorists are the CIA, Bush, Cheney and Al-Qaeda.
February 11th, 2007 at 8:49 pmNational liberation movements are not a threat to U.S. security.
Comment by Pinko
Not to US security, but are a threat to US corporation interests…Otherwise, great thread, this one. I learned a lot.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:12 pmStrengthening Ahmadinejad? So he will actually have some power soon?
February 11th, 2007 at 9:17 pmTo Juan C., the national liberation movements view U.S. corporations as imperialist and which they are. U.S. corporations like Drummond Corp. goes to Colombia and steals their coal. The money used to mine coal does not go to the Colombian people who work for the mine. It goes to the Drummond Corp. U.S. corporations exploit the poor and working people of these nations. That is why I sympathize with groups like the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia and the National Liberation Army. Both are Marxist organizations who want to free Colombia from U.S. imperialism, capitalism and hegemony.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:17 pmOne of my posts got deleted while responding to scully.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:18 pmTo Scully, Hezbollah, PLO, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are not terror organizations. They are national liberation movements wanting to free their people from oppression and imperialism.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:21 pmHezbollah has built schools, roads, hospitals, homes, has provided hundreds of thousands of dollars to families whose homes has been destroyed during the war that Israel started last Summer and provides social services to all Lebanese. Hezbollah also has members on the Lebanese Parliament. Hezbollah enjoys wide support among the Lebanese people.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:22 pmGee whiz, Scully, why do you keep repeating yourself? You are starting to sound like a broken record. I guess you have nothing useful to say. I wonder why you troll so much. Maybe you should troll elsewhere.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:51 pmDo not feed the trolls. Scully is a troll who goes by the name of gunther schleisser.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:52 pmScully, I have respect for both Presidents Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro because they have done a lot for their people. They are well loved and revered throughout Latin America and the world.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:54 pmPinko,
You can’t reason with it. This thread is trashed, too.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:11 pmYes, it is because of a troll named scully, a.k.a. gunther schleiser, a.k.a. sully from sullyville. He keeps repeating the same thing over and over. Maybe the best thing to do is not respond to him or her and he or she will go away.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:14 pmWow, all that desperate cut & paste from a seriously unhinged troll, and not one person’s reading any of its repeated blather
Too Bad, So Sad
Try again lil’ trooper, as long as no thinking’s involved, you’ll be just fine
February 11th, 2007 at 10:17 pmPinko,
You haven’t been around here long, have you? It doesn’t matter if you respond or not…
February 11th, 2007 at 10:17 pmNo Zooey, I haven’t. I just got on here today. Why does someone manage to disrupt the thread with such long ramblings? Why doesn’t the person over TP chase the individual off or delete him or her?
February 11th, 2007 at 10:22 pmRachel’s been reported.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:27 pmScully, I have respect for both Presidents Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro because they have done a lot for their people. They are well loved and revered throughout Latin America and the world.
Comment by Pinko
I don’t much care for Chavez since he went “Rachel” (insane)
February 11th, 2007 at 10:28 pmI am going to respond to Jet Mech about Chavez. He has not gone insane. He is a wonderful leader.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:30 pmWhy doesn’t the person over TP chase the individual off or delete him or her?
Comment by Pinko
I think someone took the frickin’ weekend off.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:31 pmAnyway, Bush and his alter ego both needed to shore up their bases.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:32 pmI am off of here for awhile until the troll is gone. You cannot have a decent discussion without them disrupting the whole thread.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:33 pmI am off of here for awhile until the troll is gone. You cannot have a decent discussion without them disrupting the whole thread.
Comment by Pinko
Bye Rachel.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:35 pmRachel’s been reported.
Comment by Barfly
Yeah, about 57 times this weekend — and nothing.
I’m outta here until TP does something about this. The trolls can have this f*cking blog.
See ya.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:37 pmI am off of here too. Whoever the troll is, he or she is on every thread on TP. Jet Mech = Rachel = Scully.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:48 pmsay rachel…
This is all you have left. Feel it? From here on out this will be your
hay day. The more you type, the less popular you and your
beliefs become. This is your gasping grasp.
Good riddance, freakshow. The world is waking up.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:02 pmRight. If one “leader” becomes “Hawkish” it strengthens the other leader’s rhetoric. “See? they want to kill us. We have to come together under my leadership.” Work for both sides until it all culminates in war. Yippee.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:20 pmBarfly = Jet Mech = Rachel = Scully.
Aint no shit. It`s for real!
February 12th, 2007 at 12:48 amIf Vladimir does not think Bush knows what he is doing in the Middle East, he couldn’t be more wrong.
President Bush is BRINGING IT ON just as he promised Pastor Ted and his flock that he would for their 30 million votes.
They hope their plan to light up Iran this spring (with underground nukes) may be enough to finally get all the separate fires that Bush has either set or fanned–Israel ’s occupied territories, Lebanon, Iraq of course, and Afghanistan–to coalesce into that final conflagration from which all the good folk will be able to ascend into Heaven, that glorious place where a palace and a whole fleet of Hummers awaits each and every family.
Jon
The above is an excerpt from an irreverent response to criticism of the latest global warming report. For a good laugh and/or cry go to http://EcosystemCollapse.com/ellen.html
For a thoroughly not funny piece, see:
February 12th, 2007 at 4:22 amConnecting the dots: From human behaviors to Ecosystem decline
http://StudentsForTheEarth.org
wow – lots more INTENSE RIGHTIE DESPERATION being vented on this thread, too….
guess what, trollies: that bullshit don’t play ’round here…..
if you want to pick a bar fight, come down to my local pub and I’ll give you one, otherwise, stop advertising how dumb you are at this website, and go have a nice hateful circle-jerk with your buddies at Stormfront.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:19 pmOn Topic:
W (Cheneyburton) emboldens enemy (demonstrably, not rhetorically), saps strength of burgeoning Iranian Reform Movement (yes, Virginia, there is one)
Apparently because the best democracy is the one you’re forced to adopt at gunpoint, not the one you construct for yourselves!
Then, after blowing up all the Iranians’ grocery stores and sewage treatment plants, we’re going to ship the most crooked among them an airplane load of cash, to do with as they will.
That should keep everyone over there from getting really pissed and taking up arms against us, as it has in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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