U.S. sending third carrier strike group to Gulf.
Newsweek on “The Hidden War With Iran.”
At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse to attack Iran. “They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,” says Hillary Mann, the administration’s former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs. …
A second Navy carrier group is steaming toward the Persian Gulf, and NEWSWEEK has learned that a third carrier will likely follow. Iran shot off a few missiles in those same tense waters last week, in a highly publicized test. With Americans and Iranians jousting on the chaotic battleground of Iraq, the chances of a small incident’s spiraling into a crisis are higher than they’ve been in years.
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Welp, I hope all of you that voted for this man, twice, are proud.
Just when you think nothing could get possibly worse…
BAAM!
Provacation towards another war.
Damn, seriously, I friggin’ hate this administration
February 11th, 2007 at 9:39 amMillions will die if we engage, guaranteed.
(and Jesus wept)
ITMFA!!!
February 11th, 2007 at 9:49 amSTAT!!!
The third carrier, the aging Enterprise, is already in the Arabian Sea, within striking distance of both Iran and Afghanistan.
Tens of millions of lives are at stake in this new round of confrontation by Bush. Militarily, once it appears a strike against Iran is inevitable, Iran would be wise to adopt the Bush Doctrine of premptive war and launch everything it has against the armada assembled in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea.
Please pray for the sailors, their families, and the Iranians.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:51 am“They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,†says Hillary Mann…
I think we should believe her. It’s time for mass protests in the streets of this country.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:52 amIf the Christians and Republicans were smart, they would denounce this man, so that he stands utterly alone.
Then again, if they were smart (actually not ignorant), they’d be non-religious Progressives and Bush never would have been “elected” in the first place.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:52 amGW Botch and Dick(head) Cheney must be removed from office!! NOW!!!
Come on Congress, get your sh!t together and get rid of these dangerous, criminals. The WHOLE WORLD is WATCHING!!!!
WTF are you waiting for???? Stop the ph*cking debating and start prosecuting!!!!
February 11th, 2007 at 9:52 amdoes anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
February 11th, 2007 at 9:53 amI mean even if you’re against something the person normally has some rational behind his actions. I simply can’t think of one here.
it won’t help at the polls. it won’t help in iraq. it certainly won’t bring democracy to iran.
even conspiracy theories don’t match. it won’t bring the control over oil fields. and the usual suspects of war profiteering are already heavily profiteering of iraq.
any idea?
The cover picture tells all. Two demented religious fanatics with the will and the power to destroy their own country.
Boy George will keep poking until Iran does something, however small, and use that for justification to launch his Armageddon, like he promised Jebus he would six years ago. If Iran doesn’t provide the justification, there is so shortage of fanatics who would stage an incident and blame it on Iran.
Bush is the enemy of every American. His defenders and enablers are traitors.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:54 amI wonder if kbr has reinforced the troop bunkers in iraq? NAH!
February 11th, 2007 at 9:55 amAnd our MSM isn’t saying a damn thing about this. War is good for the ratings.
February 11th, 2007 at 9:56 amIt’s seriously time for us little people to make a stand!
Millions need not die for a select few’s idiotic ideology
Did I mention:
February 11th, 2007 at 10:00 amITMFA!!!
any idea?
Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
It’s what sociopaths do.
Every serial killer and mass murderer is a socipath.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:01 amBrinksmanship. As noted in the article:
Sunni insurgents in Iraq need only kill some Americans and plant Iranian IDs nearby to start a full-scale war.
The article fails to note that American Special Forces could do the same…
February 11th, 2007 at 10:02 amGeorge W. Bush, has contempt, and hate, for the people of The United States.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:04 amIt is very plain to see.
Get him and his brother Dick, the eff out, now.
War is good for the ratings.
Comment by Raging Gurrl — February 11, 2007 @ 9:56 am
It’s the ultimate in reality television to these unethical profit gluttons.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:04 amdoes anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
Pick up a copy of PNAC’s “Rebuilding America’s Defenses.” Iraq was always only the first step to US control of the middle east and it’s vital resources.
http://www.ecapc.org/pnac.asp
Cheney is gambling that once in a shooting war with Iran the US population will get in line “support the troops and all that bullshit” and that the Dems will be too craven to do anything about it. If history is any guide he’s probably correct.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:05 amIran negotiator: Nuclear program ‘no threat to Israel’
Iran’s nuclear program is not a threat to Israel and the country is prepared to settle all outstanding issues with the International Atomic Energy Agency within three weeks, its top nuclear negotiator said today. An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman dismissed the comments, saying Iran was trying to convince the international community to believe that their intentions are benign.
http://www.cnn.com
February 11th, 2007 at 10:05 amWhen GW Bush won in 2004, people chanted “4 more Wars!”.
Apparently, GW Bush heard them.
What an incredible moron. Does Cheney really think a war with IRAN will be better than the War in IRAQ?
February 11th, 2007 at 10:08 amdoes anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
The main impetus for this is coming from two places. The first is the neocon refuge at the American Enterprise Institute. All of the discredited neocons who favored the implmentation of the PNAC are there, and they are continually pushing for an expanded war in the Middle East. I haven’t heard a rationale other than the usual WMD/support Israel/mushroom cloud crap that they always spew. Somehow they think they are going to come out on top.
The second source is the theocracy/Armageddon/”kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” crowd, which wields undue influence over Bush. They believe that the Midle East has to burn in order to precipitate the second coming of Christ.
So, there you have it. There isn’t any rationale that a sane person can understand. Just political whack-jobs and religous wahck-jobs that have different goals, but that both want a war in the Middle East.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:08 amantisocial personality (sociopath)
A personality disorder characterised by a continuous and persistent pattern of aggressive behaviour in which the rights of others are violated.
http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/ cgi-bin/ omd?antisocial+personality
February 11th, 2007 at 10:09 am“You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one.”
–George W. Bush
February 11th, 2007 at 10:10 amGeorge W. Bush, has contempt, and hate, for the people of The United States.
Of course he does, he’s like the austrian imperial family who used to joke that the human race starts with dukes. He has contempt for the people who supported him but he was willing to tolerate them as long as they worshipped him. Now that the majority has turned against him he hates them with the same passion hitler had toward the German people for failing him.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:11 am“If the Christians and Republicans were smart, they would denounce this man, so that he stands utterly alone.” - unbelievable
Most real Christians denounced him a _long_ time ago. Only the radical idiots who use religion to push their own goals remain.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:17 amsteafan, control over the oil fields and war profiteering are the motives. They either have or are about to have a 30-year contract with Iraq to exploit the Iraqi oil fields.
I think the plan might go something like this: Bomb Iran back to the stone age; leave a few thousand American Soldiers in Iraq, imbedded into Iraqi unit and backed up by mercenary contractors; push a ground war in Iran to control the oil fields nearest the gulf, and/or force a regime change.
When the resistance comes in the form of an insurgency in Iran, use the “protect our troops” mantra to institute a draft. Within 6 months of the draft, enough troops could then be pumped into Iraq and Iran to begin to threaten Saudi Arabia, whose Sunni population will be blamed for the on-going insurgency in Iraq. The Saudi Royal Family is kept in power by America, and will likely welcome American assistance at putting down the Sunni insurrection within its borders.
By the end of Bush’s Reign, we could end up with over half of a million troops permanently stationed in Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. But, the supply of oil into the U.S. would be “secured” for the next three decades.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:19 amBush is like a demented and sick gambler who keeps chasing his losing bets with more losting bets, which ultimately leads to the demise of the gamblers support system(his family, friends, co-workers, etc).
Sometimes an intervention will get through to a sick person who is dragging everyone down around him. In this case, Bush is bringing America and the entire world down and one step closer to WWIII.
The Election results last year was the first intervention. Then the Baker/Hamilton report. Now we are in the process of another one. The Congress is on track to slap this President down, but Bush is a very very sick man and has crossed the point of no return.
The only intervention that will work is the threat of impeachment. We need a new Commander In Chief who is stable, not one who is mentally deranged as our President, the LAWBREAKER is.
The Democrats and any Republican with a moral backbone have to stop this madness. BRING OUR BRAVE TROOPS HOME NOW. Eventually a winner will emerge in Iraq and we can concentrate on securing our borders and start dealing with and TALKING FACE TO FACE with Iran and North Korea.
If the Democrats don’t go to the White House and tell Bush AND Cheney that they are going to impeach both of them if they don’t start redeploying our troops out of that quagmire, then they are as responsible for any needless deaths to our troops as Bush and his followers are.
The Congress has 70 percent support of America to get us out of Iraq. NOW GET ON WITH IT.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:20 amMost real Christians denounced him a _long_ time ago. Only the radical idiots who use religion to push their own goals remain.
Comment by Malroth — February 11, 2007 @ 10:17 am
What’s a ‘real Christian’ and who decides?
The ‘real Christians’ voted for him in 2000 and again in 2004. Changing tehir minds six years into his 8 year Presidency really doesn’t let them off the hook for the damage he’s done and will continue to do.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:21 amAhhh the fuzy math returns…
A senior defense official from the U.S.-led Multi-National Force in Baghdad, told a briefing that 170 coalition forces had been killed by roadside bombs known as explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) that he said were manufactured in Iran and smuggled into Iraq.
http://www.icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx
Total Dead 3123 wounded 23,417
DoD Confirmation List
Latest Coalition Fatality: Feb 11, 2007
170 /3123 =??? Iran!
We need another task force in the persian gulf stat!… Yess massa as you wish…
February 11th, 2007 at 10:23 am#24 Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 11, 2007 @ 10:19 am
I agree that something like this courses through the minds of the AEI strategists. It’s just that they seem to have lost track of observation of reality.
Remember when the big thing among the neocons was creating your own reality, and then following it while other people were trying to apply reason to the issues and problems? They are still doing it, but they haven’t realized,even now, that everything you do has consequences, not all of which can be ignored or fixed with minimum effort. The world is to complicated to steamroller it indefinitely.
They are going to fall, because empires fall, and theirs is overdue. But they will drag us all down with them.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:31 amMr. Bush is running out of time. His dance across the world stage will be over in two years, therefore he must do as much damage as possible now. And he will. I believe Bush’s actions are biblically announced were the scripture say, one third of mankind will parish. And the time may be much sooner than we realize.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:36 am-unbelievable
By a real Christian, I simply mean someone who has at least a passing knowledge of the Bible, and understands that violence such as that which Bush has fun with is not the answer. I do not say that any one version of Christianity is more “real” than another. My complaint is with the politicizing of religion. It has no place in a secular society (ie. the US), as when you start bringing God into legislation, you get an argument of “I know God better than you do, and what he wants” instead of legislation that keeps in mind the best interests of society at large.
“Fake” Christians are simply those who do not follow any religion for the sake of what that religion teaches, but rather uses it as a base of power for their own desires, and not that of God. That is my definition, anyway. Oh, and not all of your definition of “Christians” voted for Bush in the first place. I know the first time I saw him on TV, with the sound muted (before I even heard version of “english”), he scared the crap out of me. Nobody should blink that much.
At any rate, I suppose my definition of what a “real” Christian is is just as valid as your definition that all Christians love Bush, and they all voted for him in both elections. Guess finally I can point out that one of the really Blue states in the nation, Minnesota, voted Blue in both presidential elections, and has some of the highest numbers of Christians in the nation.
As for the issue with Iran, it just shows how much of a war-monger this administration is. I honestly have no idea how someone can be so incompetent.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:42 amgogreen — February 11, 2007 @ 10:31 am
Have you not already heard the calls for government censorship and control of the internet? The NSA monitoring is but the first step, and puts into place the equipment necessary to censor and control the flow of communication.
This Administration seems to be following 1984 as a blueprint. Watch as the steps unfold that take us down the path to the point where the Party becomes immortal.
The first purge will be the teachers. That is already occuring with “No Child Left Behind.” Next will be the educated elite: professors and lawyers.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:43 amWhy is this terrorist given a forum?
February 11th, 2007 at 10:46 amComment #32 placed on wrong thread.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:54 amThe USS Enterprise is scheduled to be decommissioned soon….
perhaps to the bottom of the Persian Gulf?
Kind of like what was intended to happen to the USS Liberty?
February 11th, 2007 at 10:56 amRemember the Maine !
February 11th, 2007 at 11:00 amWelcome to the 3rd world war , armchair debates are nearly over ,This UNELECTED administration is going to take america to war , whether we want it or not ! Big surprise , gee who saw it coming .
Oh and guess what ,the “good party “is complicit in it total acquiescence to this madness ! Only Paul Wellstone refused to grant the neo cons carte blanc ,and a week later he tragically met his death!
America represents no more than an army to the powerfull corporate overlords , who own our democracy .
EXXON , ENRON , HOLD ON !!!!
I’m with #3. The Persian Gulf makes our sailors sitting ducks. It would not take much to cause chaos out on the water and destroy some or most of our ships. And the way out of the Gulf is fairly constricted. If our ships are actually in the Gulf, two groups, that’s mighty stupid. But then our troops in Baghdad use a hundreds mile supply route that could easily be cut off. I think the word “incompetence” fits this Administration perfectly. I hope things are not as bad as they would appear. But six years of this, it’s hard not to believe.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:01 amHow hundreds of tons of cash will we arilift to Teheran once we take over there?
February 11th, 2007 at 11:03 amBy a real Christian, I simply mean someone who has at least a passing knowledge of the Bible, and understands that violence such as that which Bush has fun with is not the answer.
I’ve never met a Christian who has read the whole Bible. Everyone I know who has read the Bible is an Atheist or Agnostic.
The problem is, no one in teh religion has alitmus test for saying who is and who isn’t. Basically - if you say you are one, you are a member of the club. It then means you are guilty by association of those who do bad things in your name, like it or not. Probably why the Protestant Reformation started and why it hasn’t seemed to stop yet…
My complaint is with the politicizing of religion. It has no place in a secular society (ie. the US),
I agree. Unfortunately, I haven’t seen any Christians try to undo this - and that is my complaint with Christians calling one another ‘real’ and ‘not real’ - it diverts the focus from the real problem… Perversion of what Jesus actually hoped to achieve - peace.
“Fake†Christians are simply those who do not follow any religion for the sake of what that religion teaches, but rather uses it as a base of power for their own desires, and not that of God.
I understand. But, my point is that who has the right to say this? According to the Bible, judgment is not yours or any other Christians…
And really, it doesn’t matter as long as those who consider themseleves ‘real’ tolerate those who they don’t.
Oh, and not all of your definition of “Christians†voted for Bush in the first place. I know the first time I saw him on TV, with the sound muted (before I even heard version of “englishâ€), he scared the crap out of me. Nobody should blink that much.
You’re right. I shouldn’t have said “The ‘real Christians’” - should have left off the ‘the’. It was a split. Though I’m guessing those Christians consider themeslevs to be the ‘real’ Christians - which is my problem with how it is a subjective definition… And it doesn’t really solve anything.
As for the issue with Iran, it just shows how much of a war-monger this administration is. I honestly have no idea how someone can be so incompetent.
Comment by Malroth — February 11, 2007 @ 10:42 am
He’s a sociopath. Really. He is incapable of different behavior. Yet, for some odd reason, he is left in office while Americans quibble over whether or not he is a ‘real’ Christian :D
He needs to be Impeached…
February 11th, 2007 at 11:04 amIn other news:
It wasn’t the abuse, it was the scandal!
I wonder if he would feel the same about the “adequate defense” if he and BushCo were tried for crimes against humanity.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:05 amWhere the hell are my last two comments? Do you think I’m being a little too militant, TP, when I say the Bush crime family is a blight on our past three generations?
February 11th, 2007 at 11:11 amIf George’s grandfather wasn’t bad enough trading with the Nazis in WW11 selling Cyclon-B and his father George H.W. with his Iran-Contra scandal, then George W. is making his daddies proud, with his Armagedon scenario. It’s a game - a very deadly, serious game this grown man with a child’s mind plays with our lives and the world’s future, in the balance.
does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
The main impetus for this is coming from two places. The first is the neocon refuge at the American Enterprise Institute….The second source is the theocracy/Armageddon/â€kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out†crowd
Comment by gogreen — February 11, 2007 @ 10:08 am
I agree, but I think the third, and perhaps most driving force of all that makes this the perfect storm, can be realized if one studies the motives and actions of who has been steering the lies that lead to the first illegal war invasion/destruction of Iraq – ie: the other headline coincidentally in the news right now – Douglas Feith.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ Iraq/ Story/ 0,2763,999737,00.html
“….The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon’s office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam’s Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:11 am“None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels,” said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith’s authority without having to fill in the usual forms.
The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel’s Likud party.
In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.
The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister. …â€
What was driving Feith to create false evidence to use to dupe the United States into war?
I still don’t quite get it though….was he working for the USA’s interests while in the Office of Special Plans….or what? Or who?
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
According to the report’s preamble[1], it was
“prepared by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000. The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr.,
Douglas Feith,
Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated.”
Richard Perle, according to a footnote in the report, was the “Study Group Leader”.
“Securing the Northern Border”
“Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon…..â€
“Moving to a Traditional Balance of Power Strategy”
“Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right …..â€
Here is another link about “A Clean Break….â€
http://www.truthout.org/ cgi-bin/ artman/ exec/ view.cgi/ 63/ 21831
What a coincidence….Israel wanted Saddam out of the picture….Mission Accomplished.
(I always keep forgeting why we were in Iraq killing Iraqis)
Now onward to Iran……
February 11th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — February 11, 2007 @ 10:43 am
I don’t disagree, and would like to continue this discussion, but I have to get some work done. I’ll keep monitoring the threads, and maybe we can pick this up later.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:17 amdoes anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Stefan - maybe we should ask these people why Bush does what he does…..
Perhaps Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon insider, can give us some insight as to just who was running the show with Feith in the Pentagon during this period:
http://www.peacehost.net/EPI-Calc/OpenDoor.htm
“…In early winter, an incident occurred that was seared into my memory. A co-worker and I were suddenly directed to go down to the Mall entrance to pick up some Israeli generals. Post-9/11 rules required one escort for every three visitors, and there were six or seven of them waiting. The Navy lieutenant commander and I hustled down. Before we could apologize for the delay, the leader of the pack surged ahead, his colleagues in close formation, leaving us to double-time behind the group as they sped to Undersecretary Feith’s office on the fourth floor. Two thoughts crossed our minds: are we following close enough to get credit for escorting them, and do they really know where they are going? We did get credit, and they did know. Once in Feith’s waiting room, the leader continued at speed to Feith’s closed door. An alert secretary saw this coming and had leapt from her desk to block the door. “Mr. Feith has a visitor. It will only be a few more minutes.” The leader craned his neck to look around the secretary’s head as he demanded, “Who is in there with him?”
This minor crisis of curiosity past, I noticed the security sign-in roster. Our habit, up until a few weeks before this incident, was not to sign in senior visitors like ambassadors. But about once a year, the security inspectors send out a warning letter that they were coming to inspect records. As a result, sign-in rosters were laid out, visible and used. I knew this because in the previous two weeks I watched this explanation being awkwardly presented to several North African ambassadors as they signed in for the first time and wondered why and why now. Given all this and seeing the sign-in roster, I asked the secretary, “Do you want these guys to sign in?” She raised her hands, both palms toward me, and waved frantically as she shook her head. “No, no, no, it is not necessary, not at all.” Her body language told me I had committed a faux pas for even asking the question. …â€
Wow - now we all know how that feels sometimes, don’t we?!
Since when it is a crime, or politically incorrect to ask questions about what serves the best interests of the USA, when we are discussing the views and actions of people we are paying to serve the US Government?
Why are Israeli generals stomping all around OUR US Pentagon,
February 11th, 2007 at 11:29 amlike THEY own the place?
The sad thing:
A bomb will detonate in a soon future in US soil, and people will say why us?
February 11th, 2007 at 11:29 amSo, how many of you who have commented here have written your representative and senators to complain about Bush and a posssible attack on Iraq?
It’s all great that you’re slapping each other on the back and telling everyone how wrong Bush is.
Do something MORE about it!
February 11th, 2007 at 11:30 amhello madam (no impeachment proceedings ) speaker of the house !
February 11th, 2007 at 11:31 amGive a shit ?
And while the US goose steps in the worlds most important oil fields and sends carrier groups en masse , what are the other players going to do ? Sit on their hands or do a little pre emption of their own ?
Whose left to protect our own borders ? We couldn’t even deal with Katrina !
These sick bastards are not going to stop till we are at war with Iran. If you think Iraq is going badly, just wait till we cross that border. Iran is a much more formidable force than Iraq, and it will spell the demise of our country as we know it. But, ya know.. I really don’t think Bush cares one bit about countries, be it ours or anyone other. This is the ruling class against the masses, and they frankly could care less about who is exploited or who dies. This is THEIR new world order and we’re all just pawns in their eyes. There has to be a global coming-together, or we will see Armageddon. These mad men must be stopped.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:40 am#26 “real Christians” are those who live by and follow the actual teachigns of Jesus Christ. Fake “christians” are evangelicals who take their marching orders from Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson, the UNHOLY trinity of hypocrytes, liars, theives and con men who claim to be Chrisitans but who in fact, engage in decidedly anti Christian behavior and who hold profoundly anti=christian “values”
February 11th, 2007 at 11:40 amMy comment didn’t make it either. Is the word b**tard too offensive?
February 11th, 2007 at 11:43 amThis is not news, unless Anna Nicole Smith’s preserved body is on one of the carriers. Disclosure: I am the father of Anna’s baby.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:47 amThe Bush Regime plans to attack Iran most likely this coming March. Bush likes to start wars in that month, so next March 17th is the anniversary of the beginning of the Iraq war and the beginning of the war on Iran. Nuclear WWIII is just around the corner thanks to Dubya Dunce Decider Despot Dictator Dummy.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:50 amAnd who in this adminstration (it sickens me to call that mess an adminstration) has been pushing for this since the Court decided the first four years of Bush-Cheney? None other than Cheney. I say again, hell is too good for these two criminals. I don’t favor the death penalty. But for these two, I would make an exception.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:55 am“does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
I mean even if you’re against something the person normally has some rational behind his actions. I simply can’t think of one here.”
I think it should have long since become obvious that the simple fact is that Bush is not a sane man.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:55 amGeorge W. Bush is very clearly a sociopath. I mean come on - the man tortured small animals for fun. Apparently when you do that when you’re young you grow to become either a serial killer or a Republican president.
does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
…
even conspiracy theories don’t match. it won’t bring the control over oil fields. and the usual suspects of war profiteering are already heavily profiteering of iraq.
any idea?
The befuddled and juvenile psychology of a sub-average intelligence combined with a lifelong belief in entitlement and subconscious oedipal rage, fueled by a grwoing realization that there is nothing else to be done other than to resign in disgrace … that won’t happen, so it’s time to lash out and throw bombs.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:57 amSo, how many of you who have commented here have written your representative and senators to complain about Bush and a posssible attack on Iraq?
It’s all great that you’re slapping each other on the back and telling everyone how wrong Bush is.
Do something MORE about it!
Comment by Dogjudge — February 11, 2007 @ 11:30 am
I agree Dogjudge….but I am getting this sinking feeling that writing letters to “our” representatives isn’t going to achieve anything.
November The People spoke….it won’t be long before we realize if anyone listened or not.
With very few exceptions, they all seem bought by the forces that financed their campaigns.
With very few exceptions, they seem unwilling - almost afraid to act on the Will of the People. Remember how McCain used to be a maverick independent that could even inspire people on both the right and left? Then something very odd happened all of a sudden - almost in a “body-snatchers-esque” kind of way….and the next thing we see, is him bowing to kiss Bush’s hand.
I was about to send Clinton (my senator) a long letter, until last week she tipped her traitorous hand promising payback to her AIPAC audience/paymasters. She has been bought and sold out, and not worth wasting a stamp on at this point.
What we are witnessing now is that we no longer have a functioning representative government. We have a nation that is being run by a criminal enterprise that has filled the vacumm left by a dysfunctional government. We are no longer living in a Democracy, and most of us just haven’t realized it yet.
I’m afraid that the only thing that might change the course here, is the kind of action that created our great Democracy in the first place. But I can’t even get my own family to turn off the TeeVee long enough to hear any of this.
February 11th, 2007 at 11:58 amConyers, Waxman, Feingold, Webb - if these brave Patriots cannot get traction - I am afraid we are doomed unless we take matters into our own hands. But I think we can see how those in power have already taken the steps necessary to eliminate any possible response to their tyranny.
“real Christians†are those who live by and follow the actual teachigns of Jesus Christ. Fake “christians†are evangelicals who take their marching orders from Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson, the UNHOLY trinity of hypocrytes, liars, theives and con men who claim to be Chrisitans but who in fact, engage in decidedly anti Christian behavior and who hold profoundly anti=christian “valuesâ€
Comment by getaclue — February 11, 2007 @ 11:40 am
Then do something about them.
Though, as I’ve said - they consider themselves to be the real Christians and I don’t see the rest of you doing anything to stop them.
Gotta change your moniker to reply? Is that the “real” Christian thing to do? LOL
February 11th, 2007 at 12:00 pmDefense of the Petro-dollar?
People around the world need to keep accepting this worthless piece of paper, or otherwise the house of cards falls.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:00 pm#58… spoken like a true fake christian. It’s your problem but you expect e eryone else to solve it for you.
GETACLUE
February 11th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI have probably sent a few thousand faxes over the years to members of Congress. I have no idea if they read them or just file them under “Jay Randal a pain in the ass” > lol.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:14 pmWhat do you all think about the much-touted “briefing” to reporters in Bagdad, “laying out” evidence that Iran is providing explosives on orders from the the highest level of the Iranian government?
Does anyone else find it odd (= appallingly contrived = PR) that this evidence is (1) not being presented to the Senate and House of R, and (2) that it is presented to reporters only on “condition” of anonymity?
I quote from the Reuters report this morning, the last sentence of the report:
I guess if the “official” is anonymous, he/she can’t be accused of anything!
February 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmNow with reports circulating that DOD-led forces have recovered indications that Iranian weapons are surfacing in Iraq I say:
February 11th, 2007 at 12:17 pmWhooooooa there guys! After the last fiasco which my great-great-great grandchildren will be paying for, I would appreciate it very much if these DOD Officials would please provide me with some examples of these Iranian weapons BEFORE a full scale invasion of Iran and the beginning of WWIII is carried out.
These guys DO NOT have a very good track record of Truth-To-Power recommendations based on intelligence information. It is certainly obvious that up to now, the thickheaded folks currently residing the White House and Naval Observatory residences.
This is going to be one major fustercluck.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pmCongress! Pass a law preventing this lamedick from unilaterally declaring war on Iran.
Remember, only you can prevent nuclear forest fires!
Bush and company are certainly capable of manufacturing their own “excuse” to start a war. Just like Hitler did when he claimed the Poles invaded Germany in 1939.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:24 pmdoes anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Mebbe he’s actually Satan?
February 11th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWhat the meaning of a third carrier group steaming off to the ME would suggest to Chris Nelson of “the Nelson Report” (via Steve Clemons’ “Washington Note” back on Jan 17, ‘07):
Here’s the relevant quote followed by the link to Clemons’ post:
“This deployment is carefully calibrated. It could have been larger. Increasing to two carrier strike groups in the AOR serves as a firm signal and deterrent, reminding everyone US has bench strength; the US also still can “reach out and touch someone.”
Along with announced deployments of two UK minesweepers and the Patriot battery, it is also an actual contingency force that has significant defensive and offensive capability (e.g. ., could initiate heavy 24 hour air ops if necessary).
OK. . .what to watch for if the US really thinks bad things are about to happen? (my emphasis)
On the other hand, increasing to three carrier strike groups would be noticeably more ‘robust’, belligerent and suggestive of intending or anticipating attack. The difference between two and three strike groups is huge. Two =’s strong and capable, but existing offensive intent is less probable; three =’s ‘we don’t care about provocation, we’re preparing to fight in this new dimension’.
(An indicator would be to watch for announcements about Nimitz strike group; Nimitz reportedly has completed the routine pre-deployment work-up and is in San Diego.)”
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archive s/001879.php
February 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pmThese guys DO NOT have a very good track record of Truth-To-Power recommendations based on intelligence information.
They do however, have an excellent record of bullshyt to bombs.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pmOne thing the stupid politicians forget in DC is that if Bush attacks Iran, setting off WWIII, then the press will be covering the new war 24/7, so no coverage of their presidential campaigns, nor will Americans have time to bother listening to pandering DC fools.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:27 pmYes Jay, I too have spent considerable time and effort letting my elected representatives know exactly how I feel about these thieving, lying, warmongering, chickenhawks — with very few if any responses from them. Fortunately, most of the times they seem to be marching the line I’d like them to march. It appears that the oversight mission is beginning, I’d like them to step it up IN ALL DIRECTIONS and put 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on the defensive! Imagine how long it is going to take to return the Office of The Vice President and that of the Atty General, back to ones operating WITHIN legal bounds. Decades I’m afraid; however, keep the faith in the system and keeping plugging on the faxes!
February 11th, 2007 at 12:27 pmamerica and england is the most evil countrys in this world,last think for you is to talk about this on the blogs,do you feel better?
February 11th, 2007 at 12:27 pmyou can’t stop this,they have this plan for many years and they will go forward and nothing will stop them.
Who’s next after Iran? North Korea? Rusia? China?
You must be really blind to not see that,maybe you just don’t understand what is war about because you never suffer one,
americans are full with arrogance and hypocrisy and GOD will make you pay for that.
#47- Looking through these comments and questions, your own stands out. I don’t know what the answer is. I read and write here and on other sites. I write for the paper locally where I live and write my Congressmen often. I don’t know if it does any good or not, but it doesn’t hurt, either. I would like my political representatives to know and recognize me by name. I try to learn more fact, because it’s a good fighting tool. Even if my writting, comments and editorials are deleted, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE has to read them first. And, whatever happens, I won’t shut up, either. I’m gonna be one big pain in the ass for them all, until something is done to make all this wrong, right. I’ll be one obnoxious know-it-all who really means well.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pm… that is one creepy magazine cover…
i hope dubya looks at it and gets the right idea…
STOP THE MADNESS.
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February 11th, 2007 at 12:29 pmAnd the “Fear War With Iran” drumbeat continues.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:35 pmspoken like a true fake christian. It’s your problem but you expect e eryone else to solve it for you.
I’m an Atheist, genius.
I am doing something about the realChristian problem. Pointing out the hypocrisy.
But I see you’ve dodged my question instead of answering it… Why is that?
GETACLUE
Comment by getaclue — February 11, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
I already have. Your turn.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:38 pmI have no idea if they read them or just file them under “Jay Randal a pain in the ass†> lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — February 11, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
ROTFL!
I’ve started getting email responses from our Senators.
They are just their standard Bush-ass-kissing form letters, but at least they are saving a tree by not mailing their tripe…
February 11th, 2007 at 12:41 pmGeorge Bush is the instrument by which God will destroy this selfish, egocentric and immoral nation. As Americans have done to others in the Mid East, Central America and Southeast Asia, so it will be done to them.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:49 pmGeorge Bush is the instrument by which God will destroy this selfish, egocentric and immoral nation.
Comment by Don Paulus — February 11, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
There is no god.
Feel better?
February 11th, 2007 at 12:53 pmGWBush is the instrument by which God will destroy America.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:53 pmAt the embassy, the diplomat’s colleagues were furious. “This was a group directly under American supervision,” said one distraught Iranian official, who was not authorized to speak on the record. Abdul Karim Inizi, a former Iraqi Security minister close to the Iranians, pointed the finger at an Iraqi black-ops unit based out at the Baghdad airport, who answer to American Special Forces officers. “It’s plausible,” says a senior Coalition adviser who is also not authorized to speak on the record. The unit does exist—and does specialize in snatch operations.
This is a group called “Scorpions” that were set up by the CIA prior to the invasion of Iraq. Read “Fiasco,” to get more background on how and why they were set up. And as I’ve said before, I also believe they were involved in the operation where the four U.S. soldiers were kidnapped and then killed. In addition, does it make sense to any of you that serial numbers would be on the war materials that the government of Iran is supposedly providing to the rebelling Shites in Iraq?
February 11th, 2007 at 12:53 pm#
does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
I mean even if you’re against something the person normally has some rational behind his actions. I simply can’t think of one here.
it won’t help at the polls. it won’t help in iraq. it certainly won’t bring democracy to iran.
even conspiracy theories don’t match. it won’t bring the control over oil fields. and the usual suspects of war profiteering are already heavily profiteering of iraq.
any idea?
Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Yes. He is the Beast, otherwise known as the AntiChrist. Read Revelations.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pmAll we need now is a non-existent Gulf of Tonkin incident…
February 11th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThe third carrier, the aging Enterprise, is already in the Arabian Sea
…
then, is there a FOURTH carrier on it’s way? …i heard the “reagan”…
Please pray for the sailors, their families, and the Iranians.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 11, 2007 @ 9:51 am
all the time… all the people… except bushco.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:00 pm…
What’s a ‘real Christian’ and who decides?
The ‘real Christians’ voted for him in 2000 and again in 2004. Changing tehir minds six years into his 8 year Presidency really doesn’t let them off the hook for the damage he’s done and will continue to do.
Comment by unbelievable — February 11, 2007 @ 10:21 am
Unbelievable, “real Christians” were in the minority of voters for Bush. Most of us recognized him for what he is.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:03 pmSo, Saint Ralph, are Bush and Gore still the same??
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February 11th, 2007 at 1:04 pmUnbelievable, “real Christians†were in the minority of voters for Bush. Most of us recognized him for what he is.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 11, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
I think my point is being missed…
‘real’ is subjective…
February 11th, 2007 at 1:11 pmI think my point is being missed…
‘real’ is subjective…
Comment by unbelievable — February 11, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
February 11th, 2007 at 1:20 pm>
As ususal.
Interesting comments by Putin in Germany. He basically said that “Iran has a point!!!” Russia has the high tech weaponry, and if it ends up in Iran, we won’t be shooting fish in a barrel.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:21 pmCongress MUST authorize NO MONEY and NO ENDORSEMENT for an attack on Iran. I’m glad this is on the cover of Newsweek. A National Conversation about Iran is the best way to STOP Bush’s insane plans.
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Unbelievable, “real Christians†were in the minority of voters for Bush. Most of us recognized him for what he is.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 11, 2007 @ 1:03 pm
I think my point is being missed…
‘real’ is subjective…
Comment by unbelievable — February 11, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Unbelievable, I understand you are an atheist and I respect your right to “not believe” in a higher power. But as a Christian, I can tell you that the recognition of the difference between the words and teachings of Christ and what the “Christian Right” have been trying to sell is not simply a subjective judgement.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIt is my understanding that aircraft carriers in the Gulf are in very precarious positions. It’s very hard to maneuver in that small body of water without trespassing and causing an international scene.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:38 pmBush is kicking up stones on the playground again, just daring someone to strike back,– then he will have the war he wants.
Does anyone have any twink or preteen sex videos for sale or trade?
My present collection is boring the hell out of me. Trades and cash?
I prefer young boy videos age 4-8 is my age range. Anyone?
I like to seduce them with Fudge Stripe cookies by Keebler.
Hence my name, E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy. I like to play the role of E.L. Fudge, the Keebler elf.
The boys get transfixed with what I say and this is when I make my move.
Email me about your offers.
E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy
> I have several for sale E.L. Fudge_Packer_Boy.
Email me I will get with you in the ThinkFast thread.
Shhhh!
Would you like one called †Johnny Cum Lately †?
February 11th, 2007 at 1:40 pmHow about one called †Preteen Incest is Best “
Did I also read somewhere that China had sold certain missles to Iran able to sink an aircraft carrier?
February 11th, 2007 at 1:46 pmDo any of these morons have a map? They can’t subdue Iraq, which is tiny in area and population compared with Iran, and has none of the mountains like Iran’s. Or missiles. Yo, the shah is dead. Get over it.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:49 pmBetter stock up on food and supplies because if we hit Iran, Iran will bomb the oil fields which in turn will destroy economies. And there goes Cheney’s dream of owing all the world’s oil.
February 11th, 2007 at 1:57 pm#26 “real Christians�
Christainity is no longer what you think it is. People nowadays let Christ pay the bills, buy the cars, and get them their desired empire.
Just like Rove implied, Christianity seems to be promoting politics really greatly. All Bush needs to do about convincing the entire American christian population is address them with a copy of Bible in his hand while he mention Jesus from time to time.
These guys don’t really care about Christainity, Christ or whatever. Tell me how many Christains have been killed in Iraq, or Lebanon or how many would be killed in Iran?
“real Christians†should know those who are not like Christ. Those who Judge, who kill, who lie, covet, plunder, steal and destroy. Bush is far from been a Christain, because he doesn’t give the least regard to life. We have thousands of our boys in the Gulf, majority of them, sitting lame ducks to be killed by Israelis choppers or missiles: all in the name of an unjust war that needed to be fought for the desires of people who claim to be “real Christiansâ€?
February 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI’m pretty sure Colin Powell won’t be available to make the case for an attack on Iran before the UN Security Coucil. And Tony Blair won’t be available to translate Bush’s reasoning into English.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:20 pmA Preemptive strike against Iran will leave America alone in the World. The Persian ruins of Persepolis are 25 Centuries Old!
Why don`t you people STFU and let the military handle MILITARY operations?
Your second guessing attitude in general is telling. If we ever faced a massive terrorist attack in the US what would you do?
Go on TP and birch all about it I suppose.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:20 pmThank God for strong leaders who are not swayed by polls and public ” opinion “
jesus was the first hippie , though I have no idea what that has to do with this thread . The way things are going we’ll all be able to ask saint peter himself the answers to our religious peturbations soon .
February 11th, 2007 at 2:24 pmHey Hiram, getting tired of ducking from rock throwers? Just get your US made rifle out and shoot those rock throwers, you stupid fool.
I would rather fight them here where I stand a chance to win then fight them over there, in their home turf where it’s more likely that I’ll lose.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:25 pm#98: Hiram from Israel. Oh, I guess you ppl were cheering Kastav after he spent how many yrs in office raping your girls?
A time will come, when Israel will be the target of the entire world. That time will come. Your leaders are worst than Hitler.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:25 pmMaybe three carriers are not there in the Gulf to attack anything. If you block the Straits of Hormosa…….no oil gets out. How does that go down with the rest of the world?
February 11th, 2007 at 2:26 pmLet me quess hiram , your an American with divided alliances . 650 000 dead Iraqi’s aren’t your concern they aren’t among the CHOSEN !!
February 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmHey hiram here’s a quote froma fellow Jew .”you cannot simultaneuosly prepare for and prevent a war ”
February 11th, 2007 at 2:32 pmAlbert Einstein
Here’s another from a goyim ,” an eye for an eye tomake the whole world blind .”
Ghandi
#102 How does no oil getting out - go down with the rest of the world?? Shock and Awe at the gas pumps.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:34 pmhiram is rachel.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:34 pmOh yeah and one from a much misundertood Jew ,Love tour enemies ..jesus
February 11th, 2007 at 2:34 pmYeah, Hiram, it’s *Awesome* when leaders don’t listen to their countries’ people.
Let’s all just look the other way, because if they’re in charge, they must know what’s best for everyone.
I hope everyone noticed my sarcasm.
For (most of) the rest of you,
February 11th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI’m glad to see that there are still lots of people in the world questioning all of this war nonsense. Keep it up, the world IS changing, slowly but surely. I just hope its not too late.
miran,
your link points to some scary news…
let’s see, we bomb Iran, Iran bombs the oil fields which pisses off China which leads China to blow up a few US satellites which then disrupts US Intelligence which then leads to more coffins draped with flags etc… I know your are smart and that you get my point. The troll on the other hand, well, you know.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhy don`t you people STFU and let the military handle MILITARY operations?
Your second guessing attitude in general is telling. If we ever faced a massive terrorist attack in the US what would you do?
Go on TP and birch all about it I suppose.
Thank God for strong leaders who are not swayed by polls and public †opinion “
Comment by Hiram from Israel — February 11, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Hiram - I’m not sure where you are coming from on this - you say “we…in the US”, yet you describe yourself as in Israel.
I do agree with you though - the US Military SHOULD BE handling US Military operations - not civilians like Douglas Feith - who’s actions and allegiance are treasonous.
Now as far as you mentioning another major terrorist attack on US soil…..do you perhaps know something we don’t yet?
Another 911 perhaps?
February 11th, 2007 at 2:38 pmRachel and Hiram , Male and female .
February 11th, 2007 at 2:39 pmwow the mighty Hermaphrodite.
Giving new meaning to dual citizenship !
so thats how ignorance reproduces so quickly
February 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pmregarding 911. 1. Air Marshalls, reinforced cockpit doors, and a carefull look at the passenger list could have prevented the whole tragedy. Our Govt. was asleep at the switch.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:57 pm2. If terrorists can’t hijack their weapon of choice, they will have to smuggle it into our country. Mexican drug smugglers, who operate the tunnels under our border, are the front line in preventing another attack.
…the Straits of Hormosa……
Comment by bboop — February 11, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
heh… that’s so cute…
here, i’ll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz
February 11th, 2007 at 3:02 pmfreeman… very funny :)
February 11th, 2007 at 3:02 pmBadger - none of those things could have prevented 911 if the planes were hijacked by remote control, or if NORAD and the entire air force of the greatest military in the world were unable to scramble a single F-15 to intercept the plane which hit the Pentagon 90 minutes after the first tower was hit. Andrews Air Force base is about 12 miles from DC - and is there to protect our Capital…..but couldn’t get a fighter jet up in the sky on 911 - for 90 minutes - when they routinely intercept lost or suspect flights up to 100+ times a year within an average of 12 minutes?
Why was Cheney controlling NORAD on 911?
Why did Mineta report that Cheney yelled at his subordidant that the “order still stood” while they all wait and watched the plane approach and hit the Pentagon?
911 was an inside job.
It is the the key to understanding what has happened ever since.
Our Nation will never heal until the complete Truth of 911 is revealed.
Please take a moment to watch this video. Please watch it until the very end - even after the credits - until the very slow end.
It ends on a note of HOPE for all of us who want peace and justice in this world.
http://video.google.ca:80/ videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003
My apologies for being off topic here, but I honestly think nothing else we have to discuss here is more relevant than why 911 happened.
February 11th, 2007 at 3:20 pmDear friends, I am an Iranian and I do really hope President Bush strike this damned regime. \’Cuze they have F*CKED our lives for about 30 years. And be sure that they plan to F*CK all lives around the world for their own benefit! Let President to bomb our occupied country and save it. This country has been occupied by Mullahs and we have been exploited since then.
Living in IRAN is really like a permanent torture. Let it to be finished! and let the president to do his JOB.
February 11th, 2007 at 3:27 pmsound check
February 11th, 2007 at 3:35 pm#117. Your approach didn’t work out too well in neighboring Iraq. The best way to insure that the Mullahs stay in power is to attack Iran. Because we can’t strike the Damned regime without striking innocent civilians . And innocent victims tend to end up resentfull.
February 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBNF, a few weeks ago, I might have replied exactly as you did with the neo/zio-Con rationale for attacking Iran. But at this point in time, there are some really puzzling dimensions to this problem.
For example, we are still missing some crucially important pieces of this puzzle — viz, the Russian and Chinese cards have yet to be played. Since the US economy is entirely dependent on Chinese subsidies, and since Iran is a key supplier in the Chinese energy picture, this buildup is tantamount to economic suicide.
Furthermore, it has just come to my attention that the Patriot missile system is an abject failure, despite all the statements to the contrary. In 2003, it was reported that the Patriot kill rate is no better than 10%, a far cry from the bogus reports supplied during the Bush41 regime. Thus, Bush43’s strategy to ship Patriot systems all over the Mideast is just mindless bravado — and our allies know it!!!
And, as I have already reported here and elsewhere, the whole business about bunker-buster technology, nuclear or otherwise, is utterly fraudulent. We simply cannot do what we say we will do to destroy the underground nuclear research sites.
And, given that the Iranians have the Russian hyper-sonic Onyx system in-place, with missiles that can easily crack one of our carriers in-half using kinetic energy alone, the setup in the Gulf makes no sense at all. The potential for taking massive losses to the US fleet is simply too great.
So —-
Standing at the brink, looking over the edge, not one bit of this makes any sense. And given that, I’m gonna take a nap and see if anything else floats to the top which might further define the contours of this surrealistic swamp.
February 11th, 2007 at 3:43 pm# 117
February 11th, 2007 at 3:54 pmThe common consensus Pre Iraq war was that Iran was on it’s way to a more open society before Bush handed it to the hardliners by putting it into his axis of evil category .
The fact that the US has overthrown the gov’t of Iran twice,doesn’t bother Mr farzad at all I guess ,or that failing a third attempt at controlling his country backed Saddam Hussein in a war that killed 1 million people .Mr
Just saw a picture on CNN of a 81mm mortor round that the
anonymous military officer announced as coming from Iran to Iraq.
It has the letters “HE” printed on it. They claimed that it was made
in 2006.
Why isn’t the labeling in Farsi?
February 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#122 because americans can’t read farsi ?
February 11th, 2007 at 4:01 pmHE ,the letters must refer to god
February 11th, 2007 at 4:02 pmGood point, Roger!!! And you gotta wonder, what is going on with all these anonymous sources. This is all such a pitifully transparent charade!!! You would think that Cheney’s team would have gotten a little slicker by now. So much hubris with these guys…
February 11th, 2007 at 4:03 pmLiving in IRAN is really like a permanent torture. Let it to be finished! and let the president to do his JOB.
Comment by farzad — February 11, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Sorry to hear things aren’t going so well for you farzad.
Maybe you need to get out a bit more and see more of your Nation….like maybe Tehran.
Here - since you have a computer and are online - check out this video that shows a side of Tehran - maybe you haven’t seen?
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Hell - even the tens of thousands of jewish folks who live in Iran have decided to refuse Israel’s offers to be relocated to Israel. I wonder why that is? Maybe they feel safer living in Iran, than they would in Israel? Funny how we never hear about suicide bombers killing jewish people in Iran??
February 11th, 2007 at 4:03 pmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1807160,00.html
But as a Christian, I can tell you that the recognition of the difference between the words and teachings of Christ and what the “Christian Right†have been trying to sell is not simply a subjective judgement.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 11, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Christianity, by nature, is subjective (truth is always subjective to observers of it)… hence there aren’t just Christians but Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Sounthern Baptists, Non-Demoninationals, Unitarians, Lutherans, Jews for Jesus, and so on.
Anything that is subject to interpretation is subjective.
If you guys don’t like what the fundy neocons are doing in your name, then kick them out - or have your own “real Christian” Reformation.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:10 pmUnfortunately, the people who “voted for [Bush] twice” love the idea of us attacking Iran!
“Those godless Iranian bastards deserve it!”
Please, please, please let there be someone sane in Bush’s circle of advisors who can stop this madman.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe propaganda is a success. Americans have been tricked into accepting that their blood and treasure will be used to achieve Israeli strategic objectives. We always hear about the Iran hostage crisis and how evil Iran is because of it, but whens the last time your heard about the cold blooded slaughter that was the USS Liberty.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:26 pmWell, if you and I (and the Congressional Dems who we elected to stop this psychotic killing spree) don’t force the warclowns to back up and go home, we’ll end up nuking Iran. When we nuke Iran, we’ll deserve the nightmare that will end up on our doorstep. The world isn’t going to stand by and allow the US to rampage around the planet, stealing the world’s oil for itself. They will pull the rug out from under the dollar and overnight, we’ll have a full-scale civil war on our hands (with 90% unemployed and starving), which will require the troops that will be up to their necks in Iraq and Iran. The numb-skulls who brought us the Iraq debacle haven’t even started to show how ill-conceived their actions can be, just wait until they ramp it up and bring Iran into the mix. Perle was right, children of the future *will* sing songs about the neo-cons, but what he doesn’t know is that they’ll be about them “swinging from a lamp-post with his eyes popping out” and that sort of thing. God-damned monsters, the lot of ‘em!
February 11th, 2007 at 4:40 pmNo, not a military strike, a GENERAL STRIKE, across the country! Prostests are just TALK. GENERAL STRIKES are ACTION! SHUT THIS COUNTRY DOWN FROM THE INSIDE OUT until we DRIVE THE NEOCONS OUT once and for all. NO ONE BUYS OR SELLS ANYTHING. HIT THOSE INFLUENCING THIS INSANITY, THE CORPORATIONS, WHERE IT HURTS.
February 11th, 2007 at 4:42 pmFed Up,
Thanks for the film link.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:03 pmfarzad - it is an odd statement to request that another nation bomb your country. I have a very close friend from Iran and she weeps at the thought of bombing Iran. She tells me Iran is beautiful and so are it’s people.
I pray with every breath that the US does not bomb your nation. Just look at what happened in Iraq… it too was once a beautiful nation. Now all its history has gone up in smoke.
February 11th, 2007 at 5:07 pmReply to Stefan, post #7;
The Rethugs are invading Iran to accomplish two objectives;
1) Protect Israel from non-existent Iranian nukes and
2) Try to reduce Iran’s meddling in Iraq(no evidence for this yet but I wouldn’t be surprised)
February 11th, 2007 at 5:27 pmIMPEACH!
February 11th, 2007 at 5:31 pm#122
It has the letters “HE†printed on it. They claimed that it was made
in 2006.
Why isn’t the labeling in Farsi?
Comment by Roger A
Halliburton Enterprises?
February 11th, 2007 at 5:40 pmDo we still believe that the bush admin. did not have a hand in 9/11 to start all this.??
February 11th, 2007 at 6:05 pmIt seems to me that theres is far more going on here then what we are being told.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:13 pmIt’s funny that in the wake of Iran announcing it’s willingness to attack our interest if we attack them. And China and Russia accusing us of wanting take over the world.
It’s like it’s one plan between all of them to start a world war. And theres nothing any of us can do to stop it. They want to cut the worlds population by 80% by one account that I read.
Does anyone know if fluoride can be combined with another compound that could cause instant death? It has been put into our water supply for years now. And our bodies are full of it.
No I don’t think it’s gonna be a nuclear war, a war that well take most of us out quickly and leave the infrastructure intact.
This way they wont have to rebuild and wait out a nuclear winter.
Just a thought.
The facial expressions on the picture really tells it all.
Bush is still a spoiled brat who gets mad, is vengeant, is too stubborn, stupid, and is in a role too powerful to be discipined. We see the latest attempt at correction fails because (”I am the decision maker.”) No need to use reason; it has not effect.
Gilligan (the other guy) never would have risen to power in Iran without Bush.
Like Bush, he does not represent his people: only hardline interests.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:26 pmBush is just the dummy on Cheney’s lap.
February 11th, 2007 at 6:43 pm#3 - Factcheck - Enterprise returned to Norfolk in November. Stennis and Ike are in the area. Reagan went to Pacific to cover for Kittyhawk which is down for maintenance.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:03 pmAfter george makes the big death, we will all know we have a hitler on our hands.
February 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThis is now truly beyond belief. Will the real anti-war movement please stand up now?
February 11th, 2007 at 7:42 pmThe righties have been dying for years to have the chance to use nukes. They’ll do it and just up the ante for everyone else in the arms race, leading to destabilization, not to mention radiation spread through the region. We gave Saddam truckloads of support