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U.S. sending third carrier strike group to Gulf.

picture-1.pngNewsweek on “The Hidden War With Iran.

At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse to attack Iran. “They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,” says Hillary Mann, the administration’s former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs.

A second Navy carrier group is steaming toward the Persian Gulf, and NEWSWEEK has learned that a third carrier will likely follow. Iran shot off a few missiles in those same tense waters last week, in a highly publicized test. With Americans and Iranians jousting on the chaotic battleground of Iraq, the chances of a small incident’s spiraling into a crisis are higher than they’ve been in years.




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177 Responses to “U.S. sending third carrier strike group to Gulf.”

  1. DRxJ Says:

    Welp, I hope all of you that voted for this man, twice, are proud.
    Just when you think nothing could get possibly worse...
    BAAM!
    Provacation towards another war.

    Damn, seriously, I friggin' hate this administration
    Millions will die if we engage, guaranteed.
    (and Jesus wept)


  2. DRxJ Says:

    ITMFA!!!
    STAT!!!


  3. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    The third carrier, the aging Enterprise, is already in the Arabian Sea, within striking distance of both Iran and Afghanistan.

    Tens of millions of lives are at stake in this new round of confrontation by Bush. Militarily, once it appears a strike against Iran is inevitable, Iran would be wise to adopt the Bush Doctrine of premptive war and launch everything it has against the armada assembled in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea.

    Please pray for the sailors, their families, and the Iranians.


  4. Zooey Says:

    “They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,” says Hillary Mann...

    I think we should believe her. It's time for mass protests in the streets of this country.


  5. unbelievable Says:

    If the Christians and Republicans were smart, they would denounce this man, so that he stands utterly alone.

    Then again, if they were smart (actually not ignorant), they'd be non-religious Progressives and Bush never would have been "elected" in the first place.


  6. dixie blood Says:

    GW Botch and Dick(head) Cheney must be removed from office!! NOW!!!

    Come on Congress, get your sh!t together and get rid of these dangerous, criminals. The WHOLE WORLD is WATCHING!!!!

    WTF are you waiting for???? Stop the ph*cking debating and start prosecuting!!!!


  7. Stefan Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    I mean even if you're against something the person normally has some rational behind his actions. I simply can't think of one here.
    it won't help at the polls. it won't help in iraq. it certainly won't bring democracy to iran.
    even conspiracy theories don't match. it won't bring the control over oil fields. and the usual suspects of war profiteering are already heavily profiteering of iraq.
    any idea?


  8. chingebush Says:

    The cover picture tells all. Two demented religious fanatics with the will and the power to destroy their own country.

    Boy George will keep poking until Iran does something, however small, and use that for justification to launch his Armageddon, like he promised Jebus he would six years ago. If Iran doesn't provide the justification, there is so shortage of fanatics who would stage an incident and blame it on Iran.

    Bush is the enemy of every American. His defenders and enablers are traitors.


  9. klyde Says:

    I wonder if kbr has reinforced the troop bunkers in iraq? NAH!


  10. Raging Gurrl Says:

    And our MSM isn't saying a damn thing about this. War is good for the ratings.


  11. DRxJ Says:

    It's seriously time for us little people to make a stand!
    Millions need not die for a select few's idiotic ideology

    Did I mention:
    ITMFA!!!


  12. unbelievable Says:

    any idea?
    Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am

    It's what sociopaths do.

    Every serial killer and mass murderer is a socipath.


  13. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    Brinksmanship. As noted in the article:

    Sunni insurgents in Iraq need only kill some Americans and plant Iranian IDs nearby to start a full-scale war.

    The article fails to note that American Special Forces could do the same...


  14. Keith H. Says:

    George W. Bush, has contempt, and hate, for the people of The United States.
    It is very plain to see.
    Get him and his brother Dick, the eff out, now.


  15. unbelievable Says:

    War is good for the ratings.
    Comment by Raging Gurrl — February 11, 2007 @ 9:56 am

    It's the ultimate in reality television to these unethical profit gluttons.


  16. klyde Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?

    Pick up a copy of PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Iraq was always only the first step to US control of the middle east and it's vital resources.

    http://www.ecapc.org/pnac.asp

    Cheney is gambling that once in a shooting war with Iran the US population will get in line "support the troops and all that bullshit" and that the Dems will be too craven to do anything about it. If history is any guide he's probably correct.


  17. unbelievable Says:

    Iran negotiator: Nuclear program 'no threat to Israel'

    Iran's nuclear program is not a threat to Israel and the country is prepared to settle all outstanding issues with the International Atomic Energy Agency within three weeks, its top nuclear negotiator said today. An Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman dismissed the comments, saying Iran was trying to convince the international community to believe that their intentions are benign.

    http://www.cnn.com


  18. S.D. Says:

    When GW Bush won in 2004, people chanted "4 more Wars!".
    Apparently, GW Bush heard them.

    What an incredible moron. Does Cheney really think a war with IRAN will be better than the War in IRAQ?


  19. gogreen Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am

    The main impetus for this is coming from two places. The first is the neocon refuge at the American Enterprise Institute. All of the discredited neocons who favored the implmentation of the PNAC are there, and they are continually pushing for an expanded war in the Middle East. I haven't heard a rationale other than the usual WMD/support Israel/mushroom cloud crap that they always spew. Somehow they think they are going to come out on top.

    The second source is the theocracy/Armageddon/"kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" crowd, which wields undue influence over Bush. They believe that the Midle East has to burn in order to precipitate the second coming of Christ.

    So, there you have it. There isn't any rationale that a sane person can understand. Just political whack-jobs and religous wahck-jobs that have different goals, but that both want a war in the Middle East.


  20. unbelievable Says:

    antisocial personality (sociopath)

    A personality disorder characterised by a continuous and persistent pattern of aggressive behaviour in which the rights of others are violated.

    http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?antisocial+personality


  21. unbelievable Says:

    "You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one."

    --George W. Bush


  22. klyde Says:

    George W. Bush, has contempt, and hate, for the people of The United States.

    Of course he does, he's like the austrian imperial family who used to joke that the human race starts with dukes. He has contempt for the people who supported him but he was willing to tolerate them as long as they worshipped him. Now that the majority has turned against him he hates them with the same passion hitler had toward the German people for failing him.


  23. Malroth Says:

    "If the Christians and Republicans were smart, they would denounce this man, so that he stands utterly alone." - unbelievable

    Most real Christians denounced him a _long_ time ago. Only the radical idiots who use religion to push their own goals remain.


  24. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    steafan, control over the oil fields and war profiteering are the motives. They either have or are about to have a 30-year contract with Iraq to exploit the Iraqi oil fields.

    I think the plan might go something like this: Bomb Iran back to the stone age; leave a few thousand American Soldiers in Iraq, imbedded into Iraqi unit and backed up by mercenary contractors; push a ground war in Iran to control the oil fields nearest the gulf, and/or force a regime change.

    When the resistance comes in the form of an insurgency in Iran, use the "protect our troops" mantra to institute a draft. Within 6 months of the draft, enough troops could then be pumped into Iraq and Iran to begin to threaten Saudi Arabia, whose Sunni population will be blamed for the on-going insurgency in Iraq. The Saudi Royal Family is kept in power by America, and will likely welcome American assistance at putting down the Sunni insurrection within its borders.

    By the end of Bush's Reign, we could end up with over half of a million troops permanently stationed in Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. But, the supply of oil into the U.S. would be "secured" for the next three decades.


  25. JerryTheAngel Says:

    Bush is like a demented and sick gambler who keeps chasing his losing bets with more losting bets, which ultimately leads to the demise of the gamblers support system(his family, friends, co-workers, etc).

    Sometimes an intervention will get through to a sick person who is dragging everyone down around him. In this case, Bush is bringing America and the entire world down and one step closer to WWIII.

    The Election results last year was the first intervention. Then the Baker/Hamilton report. Now we are in the process of another one. The Congress is on track to slap this President down, but Bush is a very very sick man and has crossed the point of no return.

    The only intervention that will work is the threat of impeachment. We need a new Commander In Chief who is stable, not one who is mentally deranged as our President, the LAWBREAKER is.

    The Democrats and any Republican with a moral backbone have to stop this madness. BRING OUR BRAVE TROOPS HOME NOW. Eventually a winner will emerge in Iraq and we can concentrate on securing our borders and start dealing with and TALKING FACE TO FACE with Iran and North Korea.

    If the Democrats don't go to the White House and tell Bush AND Cheney that they are going to impeach both of them if they don't start redeploying our troops out of that quagmire, then they are as responsible for any needless deaths to our troops as Bush and his followers are.

    The Congress has 70 percent support of America to get us out of Iraq. NOW GET ON WITH IT.


  26. unbelievable Says:

    Most real Christians denounced him a _long_ time ago. Only the radical idiots who use religion to push their own goals remain.
    Comment by Malroth — February 11, 2007 @ 10:17 am

    What's a 'real Christian' and who decides?

    The 'real Christians' voted for him in 2000 and again in 2004. Changing tehir minds six years into his 8 year Presidency really doesn't let them off the hook for the damage he's done and will continue to do.


  27. mrJJ Says:

    Ahhh the fuzy math returns...

    A senior defense official from the U.S.-led Multi-National Force in Baghdad, told a briefing that 170 coalition forces had been killed by roadside bombs known as explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) that he said were manufactured in Iran and smuggled into Iraq.

    http://www.icasualties.org/oif/default.aspx

    Total Dead 3123 wounded 23,417
    DoD Confirmation List
    Latest Coalition Fatality: Feb 11, 2007

    170 /3123 =??? Iran!

    We need another task force in the persian gulf stat!... Yess massa as you wish...


  28. gogreen Says:

    #24 Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 11, 2007 @ 10:19 am

    I agree that something like this courses through the minds of the AEI strategists. It's just that they seem to have lost track of observation of reality.

    Remember when the big thing among the neocons was creating your own reality, and then following it while other people were trying to apply reason to the issues and problems? They are still doing it, but they haven't realized,even now, that everything you do has consequences, not all of which can be ignored or fixed with minimum effort. The world is to complicated to steamroller it indefinitely.

    They are going to fall, because empires fall, and theirs is overdue. But they will drag us all down with them.


  29. mima Says:

    Mr. Bush is running out of time. His dance across the world stage will be over in two years, therefore he must do as much damage as possible now. And he will. I believe Bush's actions are biblically announced were the scripture say, one third of mankind will parish. And the time may be much sooner than we realize.


  30. Malroth Says:

    -unbelievable

    By a real Christian, I simply mean someone who has at least a passing knowledge of the Bible, and understands that violence such as that which Bush has fun with is not the answer. I do not say that any one version of Christianity is more "real" than another. My complaint is with the politicizing of religion. It has no place in a secular society (ie. the US), as when you start bringing God into legislation, you get an argument of "I know God better than you do, and what he wants" instead of legislation that keeps in mind the best interests of society at large.

    "Fake" Christians are simply those who do not follow any religion for the sake of what that religion teaches, but rather uses it as a base of power for their own desires, and not that of God. That is my definition, anyway. Oh, and not all of your definition of "Christians" voted for Bush in the first place. I know the first time I saw him on TV, with the sound muted (before I even heard version of "english"), he scared the crap out of me. Nobody should blink that much.

    At any rate, I suppose my definition of what a "real" Christian is is just as valid as your definition that all Christians love Bush, and they all voted for him in both elections. Guess finally I can point out that one of the really Blue states in the nation, Minnesota, voted Blue in both presidential elections, and has some of the highest numbers of Christians in the nation.

    As for the issue with Iran, it just shows how much of a war-monger this administration is. I honestly have no idea how someone can be so incompetent.


  31. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    gogreen — February 11, 2007 @ 10:31 am

    Have you not already heard the calls for government censorship and control of the internet? The NSA monitoring is but the first step, and puts into place the equipment necessary to censor and control the flow of communication.

    This Administration seems to be following 1984 as a blueprint. Watch as the steps unfold that take us down the path to the point where the Party becomes immortal.

    The first purge will be the teachers. That is already occuring with "No Child Left Behind." Next will be the educated elite: professors and lawyers.


  32. Nat Says:

    Why is this terrorist given a forum?


  33. Nat Says:

    Comment #32 placed on wrong thread.


  34. Fed Up Says:

    The USS Enterprise is scheduled to be decommissioned soon....
    perhaps to the bottom of the Persian Gulf?

    Kind of like what was intended to happen to the USS Liberty?


  35. freeman Says:

    Remember the Maine !
    Welcome to the 3rd world war , armchair debates are nearly over ,This UNELECTED administration is going to take america to war , whether we want it or not ! Big surprise , gee who saw it coming .
    Oh and guess what ,the "good party "is complicit in it total acquiescence to this madness ! Only Paul Wellstone refused to grant the neo cons carte blanc ,and a week later he tragically met his death!
    America represents no more than an army to the powerfull corporate overlords , who own our democracy .
    EXXON , ENRON , HOLD ON !!!!


  36. Fred Says:

    I'm with #3. The Persian Gulf makes our sailors sitting ducks. It would not take much to cause chaos out on the water and destroy some or most of our ships. And the way out of the Gulf is fairly constricted. If our ships are actually in the Gulf, two groups, that's mighty stupid. But then our troops in Baghdad use a hundreds mile supply route that could easily be cut off. I think the word "incompetence" fits this Administration perfectly. I hope things are not as bad as they would appear. But six years of this, it's hard not to believe.


  37. Dane Janeiro Says:

    How hundreds of tons of cash will we arilift to Teheran once we take over there?


  38. unbelievable Says:

    By a real Christian, I simply mean someone who has at least a passing knowledge of the Bible, and understands that violence such as that which Bush has fun with is not the answer.

    I've never met a Christian who has read the whole Bible. Everyone I know who has read the Bible is an Atheist or Agnostic.

    The problem is, no one in teh religion has alitmus test for saying who is and who isn't. Basically - if you say you are one, you are a member of the club. It then means you are guilty by association of those who do bad things in your name, like it or not. Probably why the Protestant Reformation started and why it hasn't seemed to stop yet...

    My complaint is with the politicizing of religion. It has no place in a secular society (ie. the US),

    I agree. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any Christians try to undo this - and that is my complaint with Christians calling one another 'real' and 'not real' - it diverts the focus from the real problem... Perversion of what Jesus actually hoped to achieve - peace.

    “Fake” Christians are simply those who do not follow any religion for the sake of what that religion teaches, but rather uses it as a base of power for their own desires, and not that of God.

    I understand. But, my point is that who has the right to say this? According to the Bible, judgment is not yours or any other Christians...

    And really, it doesn't matter as long as those who consider themseleves 'real' tolerate those who they don't.

    Oh, and not all of your definition of “Christians” voted for Bush in the first place. I know the first time I saw him on TV, with the sound muted (before I even heard version of “english”), he scared the crap out of me. Nobody should blink that much.

    You're right. I shouldn't have said "The 'real Christians'" - should have left off the 'the'. It was a split. Though I'm guessing those Christians consider themeslevs to be the 'real' Christians - which is my problem with how it is a subjective definition... And it doesn't really solve anything.

    As for the issue with Iran, it just shows how much of a war-monger this administration is. I honestly have no idea how someone can be so incompetent.
    Comment by Malroth — February 11, 2007 @ 10:42 am

    He's a sociopath. Really. He is incapable of different behavior. Yet, for some odd reason, he is left in office while Americans quibble over whether or not he is a 'real' Christian :D

    He needs to be Impeached...


  39. Briseadh na Faire Says:

    In other news:

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday that prisoner abuse scandals in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay and other mistakes have damaged America's reputation, and work must be done to prove the U.S. is still a force for good in the world.

    It wasn't the abuse, it was the scandal!

    In other comments, he said the Bush administration would like to close Guantanamo Bay detention facility, but there are a number of serious and committed terrorists there that should never be let free. And he said detainee trials there will be conducted openly and with adequate defense for them.

    I wonder if he would feel the same about the "adequate defense" if he and BushCo were tried for crimes against humanity.


  40. Liberal in New Mexico Says:

    Where the hell are my last two comments? Do you think I'm being a little too militant, TP, when I say the Bush crime family is a blight on our past three generations?
    If George's grandfather wasn't bad enough trading with the Nazis in WW11 selling Cyclon-B and his father George H.W. with his Iran-Contra scandal, then George W. is making his daddies proud, with his Armagedon scenario. It's a game - a very deadly, serious game this grown man with a child's mind plays with our lives and the world's future, in the balance.


  41. Fed Up Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am
    The main impetus for this is coming from two places. The first is the neocon refuge at the American Enterprise Institute….The second source is the theocracy/Armageddon/”kill ‘em all, let God sort ‘em out” crowd
    Comment by gogreen — February 11, 2007 @ 10:08 am

    I agree, but I think the third, and perhaps most driving force of all that makes this the perfect storm, can be realized if one studies the motives and actions of who has been steering the lies that lead to the first illegal war invasion/destruction of Iraq – ie: the other headline coincidentally in the news right now – Douglas Feith.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

    “….The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.
    "None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.
    The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.
    In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.
    The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister. …”


  42. Fed Up Says:

    What was driving Feith to create false evidence to use to dupe the United States into war?
    I still don’t quite get it though….was he working for the USA’s interests while in the Office of Special Plans….or what? Or who?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm
    According to the report's preamble[1], it was
    "prepared by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies’ Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000. The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr.,

    Douglas Feith,

    Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated."
    Richard Perle, according to a footnote in the report, was the "Study Group Leader".

    "Securing the Northern Border"
    "Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon…..”

    "Moving to a Traditional Balance of Power Strategy"
    "Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right …..”

    Here is another link about “A Clean Break….”
    http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/63/21831

    What a coincidence….Israel wanted Saddam out of the picture….Mission Accomplished.
    (I always keep forgeting why we were in Iraq killing Iraqis)

    Now onward to Iran……


  43. gogreen Says:

    Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 11, 2007 @ 10:43 am

    I don't disagree, and would like to continue this discussion, but I have to get some work done. I'll keep monitoring the threads, and maybe we can pick this up later.


  44. Fed Up Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am

    Stefan - maybe we should ask these people why Bush does what he does.....

    Perhaps Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon insider, can give us some insight as to just who was running the show with Feith in the Pentagon during this period:

    http://www.peacehost.net/EPI-Calc/OpenDoor.htm
    “…In early winter, an incident occurred that was seared into my memory. A co-worker and I were suddenly directed to go down to the Mall entrance to pick up some Israeli generals. Post-9/11 rules required one escort for every three visitors, and there were six or seven of them waiting. The Navy lieutenant commander and I hustled down. Before we could apologize for the delay, the leader of the pack surged ahead, his colleagues in close formation, leaving us to double-time behind the group as they sped to Undersecretary Feith's office on the fourth floor. Two thoughts crossed our minds: are we following close enough to get credit for escorting them, and do they really know where they are going? We did get credit, and they did know. Once in Feith's waiting room, the leader continued at speed to Feith's closed door. An alert secretary saw this coming and had leapt from her desk to block the door. "Mr. Feith has a visitor. It will only be a few more minutes." The leader craned his neck to look around the secretary's head as he demanded, "Who is in there with him?"

    This minor crisis of curiosity past, I noticed the security sign-in roster. Our habit, up until a few weeks before this incident, was not to sign in senior visitors like ambassadors. But about once a year, the security inspectors send out a warning letter that they were coming to inspect records. As a result, sign-in rosters were laid out, visible and used. I knew this because in the previous two weeks I watched this explanation being awkwardly presented to several North African ambassadors as they signed in for the first time and wondered why and why now. Given all this and seeing the sign-in roster, I asked the secretary, "Do you want these guys to sign in?" She raised her hands, both palms toward me, and waved frantically as she shook her head. "No, no, no, it is not necessary, not at all." Her body language told me I had committed a faux pas for even asking the question. …”

    Wow - now we all know how that feels sometimes, don't we?!
    Since when it is a crime, or politically incorrect to ask questions about what serves the best interests of the USA, when we are discussing the views and actions of people we are paying to serve the US Government?

    Why are Israeli generals stomping all around OUR US Pentagon,
    like THEY own the place?


  45. Juan C Says:

    The sad thing:

    A bomb will detonate in a soon future in US soil, and people will say why us?


  46. Dogjudge Says:

    So, how many of you who have commented here have written your representative and senators to complain about Bush and a posssible attack on Iraq?

    It's all great that you're slapping each other on the back and telling everyone how wrong Bush is.

    Do something MORE about it!


  47. freeman Says:

    hello madam (no impeachment proceedings ) speaker of the house !
    Give a shit ?
    And while the US goose steps in the worlds most important oil fields and sends carrier groups en masse , what are the other players going to do ? Sit on their hands or do a little pre emption of their own ?
    Whose left to protect our own borders ? We couldn't even deal with Katrina !


  48. waydot Says:

    These sick bastards are not going to stop till we are at war with Iran. If you think Iraq is going badly, just wait till we cross that border. Iran is a much more formidable force than Iraq, and it will spell the demise of our country as we know it. But, ya know.. I really don't think Bush cares one bit about countries, be it ours or anyone other. This is the ruling class against the masses, and they frankly could care less about who is exploited or who dies. This is THEIR new world order and we're all just pawns in their eyes. There has to be a global coming-together, or we will see Armageddon. These mad men must be stopped.


  49. getaclue Says:

    #26 "real Christians" are those who live by and follow the actual teachigns of Jesus Christ. Fake "christians" are evangelicals who take their marching orders from Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson, the UNHOLY trinity of hypocrytes, liars, theives and con men who claim to be Chrisitans but who in fact, engage in decidedly anti Christian behavior and who hold profoundly anti=christian "values"


  50. waydot Says:

    My comment didn't make it either. Is the word b**tard too offensive?


  51. dances with beagles Says:

    This is not news, unless Anna Nicole Smith's preserved body is on one of the carriers. Disclosure: I am the father of Anna's baby.


  52. Jay Randal Says:

    The Bush Regime plans to attack Iran most likely this coming March. Bush likes to start wars in that month, so next March 17th is the anniversary of the beginning of the Iraq war and the beginning of the war on Iran. Nuclear WWIII is just around the corner thanks to Dubya Dunce Decider Despot Dictator Dummy.


  53. John the Elder Says:

    And who in this adminstration (it sickens me to call that mess an adminstration) has been pushing for this since the Court decided the first four years of Bush-Cheney? None other than Cheney. I say again, hell is too good for these two criminals. I don't favor the death penalty. But for these two, I would make an exception.


  54. Craig Says:

    "does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    I mean even if you’re against something the person normally has some rational behind his actions. I simply can’t think of one here."

    I think it should have long since become obvious that the simple fact is that Bush is not a sane man.
    George W. Bush is very clearly a sociopath. I mean come on - the man tortured small animals for fun. Apparently when you do that when you're young you grow to become either a serial killer or a Republican president.


  55. Jon Husband Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    ...
    even conspiracy theories don’t match. it won’t bring the control over oil fields. and the usual suspects of war profiteering are already heavily profiteering of iraq.
    any idea?

    The befuddled and juvenile psychology of a sub-average intelligence combined with a lifelong belief in entitlement and subconscious oedipal rage, fueled by a grwoing realization that there is nothing else to be done other than to resign in disgrace ... that won't happen, so it's time to lash out and throw bombs.


  56. Fed Up Says:

    So, how many of you who have commented here have written your representative and senators to complain about Bush and a posssible attack on Iraq?
    It’s all great that you’re slapping each other on the back and telling everyone how wrong Bush is.
    Do something MORE about it!
    Comment by Dogjudge — February 11, 2007 @ 11:30 am

    I agree Dogjudge....but I am getting this sinking feeling that writing letters to "our" representatives isn't going to achieve anything.
    November The People spoke....it won't be long before we realize if anyone listened or not.
    With very few exceptions, they all seem bought by the forces that financed their campaigns.

    With very few exceptions, they seem unwilling - almost afraid to act on the Will of the People. Remember how McCain used to be a maverick independent that could even inspire people on both the right and left? Then something very odd happened all of a sudden - almost in a "body-snatchers-esque" kind of way....and the next thing we see, is him bowing to kiss Bush's hand.

    I was about to send Clinton (my senator) a long letter, until last week she tipped her traitorous hand promising payback to her AIPAC audience/paymasters. She has been bought and sold out, and not worth wasting a stamp on at this point.
    What we are witnessing now is that we no longer have a functioning representative government. We have a nation that is being run by a criminal enterprise that has filled the vacumm left by a dysfunctional government. We are no longer living in a Democracy, and most of us just haven't realized it yet.

    I'm afraid that the only thing that might change the course here, is the kind of action that created our great Democracy in the first place. But I can't even get my own family to turn off the TeeVee long enough to hear any of this.
    Conyers, Waxman, Feingold, Webb - if these brave Patriots cannot get traction - I am afraid we are doomed unless we take matters into our own hands. But I think we can see how those in power have already taken the steps necessary to eliminate any possible response to their tyranny.


  57. unbelievable Says:

    “real Christians” are those who live by and follow the actual teachigns of Jesus Christ. Fake “christians” are evangelicals who take their marching orders from Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson, the UNHOLY trinity of hypocrytes, liars, theives and con men who claim to be Chrisitans but who in fact, engage in decidedly anti Christian behavior and who hold profoundly anti=christian “values”
    Comment by getaclue — February 11, 2007 @ 11:40 am

    Then do something about them.

    Though, as I've said - they consider themselves to be the real Christians and I don't see the rest of you doing anything to stop them.

    Gotta change your moniker to reply? Is that the "real" Christian thing to do? LOL


  58. Democrat Says:

    Defense of the Petro-dollar?

    People around the world need to keep accepting this worthless piece of paper, or otherwise the house of cards falls.


  59. getaclue Says:

    #58... spoken like a true fake christian. It's your problem but you expect e eryone else to solve it for you.

    GETACLUE


  60. Jay Randal Says:

    I have probably sent a few thousand faxes over the years to members of Congress. I have no idea if they read them or just file them under "Jay Randal a pain in the ass" > lol.


  61. BlueIsland Says:

    What do you all think about the much-touted "briefing" to reporters in Bagdad, "laying out" evidence that Iran is providing explosives on orders from the the highest level of the Iranian government?
    Does anyone else find it odd (= appallingly contrived = PR) that this evidence is (1) not being presented to the Senate and House of R, and (2) that it is presented to reporters only on "condition" of anonymity?
    I quote from the Reuters report this morning, the last sentence of the report:

    Officials do not want to be accused of either overstating the case against Iran or presenting information that appears poorly sourced.

    I guess if the "official" is anonymous, he/she can't be accused of anything!


  62. InOnTheFly Says:

    Now with reports circulating that DOD-led forces have recovered indications that Iranian weapons are surfacing in Iraq I say:
    Whooooooa there guys! After the last fiasco which my great-great-great grandchildren will be paying for, I would appreciate it very much if these DOD Officials would please provide me with some examples of these Iranian weapons BEFORE a full scale invasion of Iran and the beginning of WWIII is carried out.
    These guys DO NOT have a very good track record of Truth-To-Power recommendations based on intelligence information. It is certainly obvious that up to now, the thickheaded folks currently residing the White House and Naval Observatory residences.


  63. RUCerious Says:

    This is going to be one major fustercluck.
    Congress! Pass a law preventing this lamedick from unilaterally declaring war on Iran.
    Remember, only you can prevent nuclear forest fires!


  64. questioneverything Says:

    Bush and company are certainly capable of manufacturing their own "excuse" to start a war. Just like Hitler did when he claimed the Poles invaded Germany in 1939.


  65. RUCerious Says:

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am

    Mebbe he's actually Satan?


  66. JohnS Says:

    What the meaning of a third carrier group steaming off to the ME would suggest to Chris Nelson of "the Nelson Report" (via Steve Clemons' "Washington Note" back on Jan 17, '07):

    Here's the relevant quote followed by the link to Clemons' post:

    "This deployment is carefully calibrated. It could have been larger. Increasing to two carrier strike groups in the AOR serves as a firm signal and deterrent, reminding everyone US has bench strength; the US also still can "reach out and touch someone."

    Along with announced deployments of two UK minesweepers and the Patriot battery, it is also an actual contingency force that has significant defensive and offensive capability (e.g. ., could initiate heavy 24 hour air ops if necessary).

    OK. . .what to watch for if the US really thinks bad things are about to happen? (my emphasis)

    On the other hand, increasing to three carrier strike groups would be noticeably more 'robust', belligerent and suggestive of intending or anticipating attack. The difference between two and three strike groups is huge. Two ='s strong and capable, but existing offensive intent is less probable; three ='s 'we don't care about provocation, we're preparing to fight in this new dimension'.

    (An indicator would be to watch for announcements about Nimitz strike group; Nimitz reportedly has completed the routine pre-deployment work-up and is in San Diego.)"

    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archive s/001879.php


  67. RUCerious Says:

    These guys DO NOT have a very good track record of Truth-To-Power recommendations based on intelligence information.

    They do however, have an excellent record of bullshyt to bombs.


  68. Jay Randal Says:

    One thing the stupid politicians forget in DC is that if Bush attacks Iran, setting off WWIII, then the press will be covering the new war 24/7, so no coverage of their presidential campaigns, nor will Americans have time to bother listening to pandering DC fools.


  69. InOnTheFly Says:

    Yes Jay, I too have spent considerable time and effort letting my elected representatives know exactly how I feel about these thieving, lying, warmongering, chickenhawks -- with very few if any responses from them. Fortunately, most of the times they seem to be marching the line I'd like them to march. It appears that the oversight mission is beginning, I'd like them to step it up IN ALL DIRECTIONS and put 1600 Pennsylvania Ave on the defensive! Imagine how long it is going to take to return the Office of The Vice President and that of the Atty General, back to ones operating WITHIN legal bounds. Decades I'm afraid; however, keep the faith in the system and keeping plugging on the faxes!


  70. K.Artur Says:

    america and england is the most evil countrys in this world,last think for you is to talk about this on the blogs,do you feel better?
    you can't stop this,they have this plan for many years and they will go forward and nothing will stop them.
    Who's next after Iran? North Korea? Rusia? China?
    You must be really blind to not see that,maybe you just don't understand what is war about because you never suffer one,
    americans are full with arrogance and hypocrisy and GOD will make you pay for that.


  71. Liberal in New Mexico Says:

    #47- Looking through these comments and questions, your own stands out. I don't know what the answer is. I read and write here and on other sites. I write for the paper locally where I live and write my Congressmen often. I don't know if it does any good or not, but it doesn't hurt, either. I would like my political representatives to know and recognize me by name. I try to learn more fact, because it's a good fighting tool. Even if my writting, comments and editorials are deleted, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE has to read them first. And, whatever happens, I won't shut up, either. I'm gonna be one big pain in the ass for them all, until something is done to make all this wrong, right. I'll be one obnoxious know-it-all who really means well.


  72. katy Says:

    ... that is one creepy magazine cover...

    i hope dubya looks at it and gets the right idea...

    STOP THE MADNESS.

    ...


  73. Seixon Says:

    And the "Fear War With Iran" drumbeat continues.


  74. unbelievable Says:

    spoken like a true fake christian. It’s your problem but you expect e eryone else to solve it for you.

    I'm an Atheist, genius.

    I am doing something about the realChristian problem. Pointing out the hypocrisy.

    But I see you've dodged my question instead of answering it... Why is that?

    GETACLUE
    Comment by getaclue — February 11, 2007 @ 12:03 pm

    I already have. Your turn.


  75. unbelievable Says:

    I have no idea if they read them or just file them under “Jay Randal a pain in the ass” > lol.
    Comment by Jay Randal — February 11, 2007 @ 12:14 pm

    ROTFL!

    I've started getting email responses from our Senators.

    They are just their standard Bush-ass-kissing form letters, but at least they are saving a tree by not mailing their tripe...


  76. Don Paulus Says:

    George Bush is the instrument by which God will destroy this selfish, egocentric and immoral nation. As Americans have done to others in the Mid East, Central America and Southeast Asia, so it will be done to them.


  77. unbelievable Says:

    George Bush is the instrument by which God will destroy this selfish, egocentric and immoral nation.
    Comment by Don Paulus — February 11, 2007 @ 12:49 pm

    There is no god.

    Feel better?


  78. Don Paulus Says:

    GWBush is the instrument by which God will destroy America.


  79. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    At the embassy, the diplomat's colleagues were furious. "This was a group directly under American supervision," said one distraught Iranian official, who was not authorized to speak on the record. Abdul Karim Inizi, a former Iraqi Security minister close to the Iranians, pointed the finger at an Iraqi black-ops unit based out at the Baghdad airport, who answer to American Special Forces officers. "It's plausible," says a senior Coalition adviser who is also not authorized to speak on the record. The unit does exist—and does specialize in snatch operations.

    This is a group called "Scorpions" that were set up by the CIA prior to the invasion of Iraq. Read "Fiasco," to get more background on how and why they were set up. And as I've said before, I also believe they were involved in the operation where the four U.S. soldiers were kidnapped and then killed. In addition, does it make sense to any of you that serial numbers would be on the war materials that the government of Iran is supposedly providing to the rebelling Shites in Iraq?


  80. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    #

    does anybody have an idea, WHY bush is doing this?
    I mean even if you’re against something the person normally has some rational behind his actions. I simply can’t think of one here.
    it won’t help at the polls. it won’t help in iraq. it certainly won’t bring democracy to iran.
    even conspiracy theories don’t match. it won’t bring the control over oil fields. and the usual suspects of war profiteering are already heavily profiteering of iraq.
    any idea?

    Comment by Stefan — February 11, 2007 @ 9:53 am

    Yes. He is the Beast, otherwise known as the AntiChrist. Read Revelations.


  81. jurassicpork Says:

    All we need now is a non-existent Gulf of Tonkin incident...


  82. katy Says:

    The third carrier, the aging Enterprise, is already in the Arabian Sea
    ...

    then, is there a FOURTH carrier on it's way? ...i heard the "reagan"...

    Please pray for the sailors, their families, and the Iranians.
    Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 11, 2007 @ 9:51 am

    all the time... all the people... except bushco.
    ...


  83. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    What’s a ‘real Christian’ and who decides?

    The ‘real Christians’ voted for him in 2000 and again in 2004. Changing tehir minds six years into his 8 year Presidency really doesn’t let them off the hook for the damage he’s done and will continue to do.

    Comment by unbelievable — February 11, 2007 @ 10:21 am

    Unbelievable, "real Christians" were in the minority of voters for Bush. Most of us recognized him for what he is.


  84. Hank Essay Says:

    So, Saint Ralph, are Bush and Gore still the same??

    -


  85. unbelievable Says:

    Unbelievable, “real Christians” were in the minority of voters for Bush. Most of us recognized him for what he is.
    Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 11, 2007 @ 1:03 pm

    I think my point is being missed...

    'real' is subjective...


  86. unvelievable sucks underage boy cock Says:

    I think my point is being missed…

    ‘real’ is subjective…

    Comment by unbelievable — February 11, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
    >
    As ususal.


  87. Badger Says:

    Interesting comments by Putin in Germany. He basically said that "Iran has a point!!!" Russia has the high tech weaponry, and if it ends up in Iran, we won't be shooting fish in a barrel.
    Congress MUST authorize NO MONEY and NO ENDORSEMENT for an attack on Iran. I'm glad this is on the cover of Newsweek. A National Conversation about Iran is the best way to STOP Bush's insane plans.


  88. impeachcheneythenbush Says:

    #

    Unbelievable, “real Christians” were in the minority of voters for Bush. Most of us recognized him for what he is.
    Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 11, 2007 @ 1:03 pm

    I think my point is being missed…

    ‘real’ is subjective…

    Comment by unbelievable — February 11, 2007 @ 1:11 pm

    Unbelievable, I understand you are an atheist and I respect your right to "not believe" in a higher power. But as a Christian, I can tell you that the recognition of the difference between the words and teachings of Christ and what the "Christian Right" have been trying to sell is not simply a subjective judgement.


  89. Marie Says:

    It is my understanding that aircraft carriers in the Gulf are in very precarious positions. It's very hard to maneuver in that small body of water without trespassing and causing an international scene.
    Bush is kicking up stones on the playground again, just daring someone to strike back,-- then he will have the war he wants.


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  91. Marie Says:

    Did I also read somewhere that China had sold certain missles to Iran able to sink an aircraft carrier?


  92. mr.ed Says:

    Do any of these morons have a map? They can't subdue Iraq, which is tiny in area and population compared with Iran, and has none of the mountains like Iran's. Or missiles. Yo, the shah is dead. Get over it.


  93. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    Better stock up on food and supplies because if we hit Iran, Iran will bomb the oil fields which in turn will destroy economies. And there goes Cheney's dream of owing all the world's oil.


  94. creasybear Says:

    #26 “real Christians”?

    Christainity is no longer what you think it is. People nowadays let Christ pay the bills, buy the cars, and get them their desired empire.
    Just like Rove implied, Christianity seems to be promoting politics really greatly. All Bush needs to do about convincing the entire American christian population is address them with a copy of Bible in his hand while he mention Jesus from time to time.

    These guys don't really care about Christainity, Christ or whatever. Tell me how many Christains have been killed in Iraq, or Lebanon or how many would be killed in Iran?

    “real Christians” should know those who are not like Christ. Those who Judge, who kill, who lie, covet, plunder, steal and destroy. Bush is far from been a Christain, because he doesn't give the least regard to life. We have thousands of our boys in the Gulf, majority of them, sitting lame ducks to be killed by Israelis choppers or missiles: all in the name of an unjust war that needed to be fought for the desires of people who claim to be “real Christians”?


  95. Badger Says:

    I'm pretty sure Colin Powell won't be available to make the case for an attack on Iran before the UN Security Coucil. And Tony Blair won't be available to translate Bush's reasoning into English.
    A Preemptive strike against Iran will leave America alone in the World. The Persian ruins of Persepolis are 25 Centuries Old!


  96. Hiram from Israel Says:

    Why don`t you people STFU and let the military handle MILITARY operations?

    Your second guessing attitude in general is telling. If we ever faced a massive terrorist attack in the US what would you do?

    Go on TP and birch all about it I suppose.
    Thank God for strong leaders who are not swayed by polls and public " opinion "


  97. freeman Says:

    jesus was the first hippie , though I have no idea what that has to do with this thread . The way things are going we'll all be able to ask saint peter himself the answers to our religious peturbations soon .


  98. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    Hey Hiram, getting tired of ducking from rock throwers? Just get your US made rifle out and shoot those rock throwers, you stupid fool.

    I would rather fight them here where I stand a chance to win then fight them over there, in their home turf where it's more likely that I'll lose.


  99. miran from iraq Says:

    #98: Hiram from Israel. Oh, I guess you ppl were cheering Kastav after he spent how many yrs in office raping your girls?

    A time will come, when Israel will be the target of the entire world. That time will come. Your leaders are worst than Hitler.


  100. bboop Says:

    Maybe three carriers are not there in the Gulf to attack anything. If you block the Straits of Hormosa.......no oil gets out. How does that go down with the rest of the world?


  101. freeman Says:

    Let me quess hiram , your an American with divided alliances . 650 000 dead Iraqi's aren't your concern they aren't among the CHOSEN !!


  102. freeman Says:

    Hey hiram here's a quote froma fellow Jew ."you cannot simultaneuosly prepare for and prevent a war "
    Albert Einstein
    Here's another from a goyim ," an eye for an eye tomake the whole world blind ."
    Ghandi


  103. Badger Says:

    #102 How does no oil getting out - go down with the rest of the world?? Shock and Awe at the gas pumps.


  104. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    hiram is rachel.


  105. freeman Says:

    Oh yeah and one from a much misundertood Jew ,Love tour enemies ..jesus


  106. xyr Says:

    Yeah, Hiram, it's *Awesome* when leaders don't listen to their countries' people.
    Let's all just look the other way, because if they're in charge, they must know what's best for everyone.

    I hope everyone noticed my sarcasm.

    For (most of) the rest of you,
    I'm glad to see that there are still lots of people in the world questioning all of this war nonsense. Keep it up, the world IS changing, slowly but surely. I just hope its not too late.


  107. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    miran,

    your link points to some scary news...

    let's see, we bomb Iran, Iran bombs the oil fields which pisses off China which leads China to blow up a few US satellites which then disrupts US Intelligence which then leads to more coffins draped with flags etc... I know your are smart and that you get my point. The troll on the other hand, well, you know.


  108. Fed Up Says:

    Why don`t you people STFU and let the military handle MILITARY operations?

    Your second guessing attitude in general is telling. If we ever faced a massive terrorist attack in the US what would you do?

    Go on TP and birch all about it I suppose.
    Thank God for strong leaders who are not swayed by polls and public ” opinion “

    Comment by Hiram from Israel — February 11, 2007 @ 2:20 pm

    Hiram - I'm not sure where you are coming from on this - you say "we...in the US", yet you describe yourself as in Israel.

    I do agree with you though - the US Military SHOULD BE handling US Military operations - not civilians like Douglas Feith - who's actions and allegiance are treasonous.

    Now as far as you mentioning another major terrorist attack on US soil.....do you perhaps know something we don't yet?

    Another 911 perhaps?


  109. freeman Says:

    Rachel and Hiram , Male and female .
    wow the mighty Hermaphrodite.
    Giving new meaning to dual citizenship !


  110. freeman Says:

    so thats how ignorance reproduces so quickly


  111. Badger Says:

    regarding 911. 1. Air Marshalls, reinforced cockpit doors, and a carefull look at the passenger list could have prevented the whole tragedy. Our Govt. was asleep at the switch.
    2. If terrorists can't hijack their weapon of choice, they will have to smuggle it into our country. Mexican drug smugglers, who operate the tunnels under our border, are the front line in preventing another attack.


  112. katy Says:

    ...the Straits of Hormosa……
    Comment by bboop — February 11, 2007 @ 2:26 pm

    heh... that's so cute...

    here, i'll help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Hormuz


  113. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    freeman... very funny :)


  114. Fed Up Says:

    Badger - none of those things could have prevented 911 if the planes were hijacked by remote control, or if NORAD and the entire air force of the greatest military in the world were unable to scramble a single F-15 to intercept the plane which hit the Pentagon 90 minutes after the first tower was hit. Andrews Air Force base is about 12 miles from DC - and is there to protect our Capital.....but couldn't get a fighter jet up in the sky on 911 - for 90 minutes - when they routinely intercept lost or suspect flights up to 100+ times a year within an average of 12 minutes?
    Why was Cheney controlling NORAD on 911?
    Why did Mineta report that Cheney yelled at his subordidant that the "order still stood" while they all wait and watched the plane approach and hit the Pentagon?

    911 was an inside job.
    It is the the key to understanding what has happened ever since.
    Our Nation will never heal until the complete Truth of 911 is revealed.

    Please take a moment to watch this video. Please watch it until the very end - even after the credits - until the very slow end.
    It ends on a note of HOPE for all of us who want peace and justice in this world.

    http://video.google.ca:80/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

    My apologies for being off topic here, but I honestly think nothing else we have to discuss here is more relevant than why 911 happened.


  115. farzad Says:

    Dear friends, I am an Iranian and I do really hope President Bush strike this damned regime. \'Cuze they have F*CKED our lives for about 30 years. And be sure that they plan to F*CK all lives around the world for their own benefit! Let President to bomb our occupied country and save it. This country has been occupied by Mullahs and we have been exploited since then.

    Living in IRAN is really like a permanent torture. Let it to be finished! and let the president to do his JOB.


  116. stonehinge Says:

    sound check


  117. Badger Says:

    #117. Your approach didn't work out too well in neighboring Iraq. The best way to insure that the Mullahs stay in power is to attack Iran. Because we can't strike the Damned regime without striking innocent civilians . And innocent victims tend to end up resentfull.


  118. stonehinge Says:

    BNF, a few weeks ago, I might have replied exactly as you did with the neo/zio-Con rationale for attacking Iran. But at this point in time, there are some really puzzling dimensions to this problem.

    For example, we are still missing some crucially important pieces of this puzzle -- viz, the Russian and Chinese cards have yet to be played. Since the US economy is entirely dependent on Chinese subsidies, and since Iran is a key supplier in the Chinese energy picture, this buildup is tantamount to economic suicide.

    Furthermore, it has just come to my attention that the Patriot missile system is an abject failure, despite all the statements to the contrary. In 2003, it was reported that the Patriot kill rate is no better than 10%, a far cry from the bogus reports supplied during the Bush41 regime. Thus, Bush43's strategy to ship Patriot systems all over the Mideast is just mindless bravado -- and our allies know it!!!

    And, as I have already reported here and elsewhere, the whole business about bunker-buster technology, nuclear or otherwise, is utterly fraudulent. We simply cannot do what we say we will do to destroy the underground nuclear research sites.

    And, given that the Iranians have the Russian hyper-sonic Onyx system in-place, with missiles that can easily crack one of our carriers in-half using kinetic energy alone, the setup in the Gulf makes no sense at all. The potential for taking massive losses to the US fleet is simply too great.

    So ----

    Standing at the brink, looking over the edge, not one bit of this makes any sense. And given that, I'm gonna take a nap and see if anything else floats to the top which might further define the contours of this surrealistic swamp.


  119. freeman Says:

    # 117
    The common consensus Pre Iraq war was that Iran was on it's way to a more open society before Bush handed it to the hardliners by putting it into his axis of evil category .
    The fact that the US has overthrown the gov't of Iran twice,doesn't bother Mr farzad at all I guess ,or that failing a third attempt at controlling his country backed Saddam Hussein in a war that killed 1 million people .Mr


  120. Roger A Says:

    Just saw a picture on CNN of a 81mm mortor round that the
    anonymous military officer announced as coming from Iran to Iraq.

    It has the letters "HE" printed on it. They claimed that it was made
    in 2006.

    Why isn't the labeling in Farsi?


  121. freeman Says:

    #122 because americans can't read farsi ?


  122. freeman Says:

    HE ,the letters must refer to god


  123. stonehinge Says:

    Good point, Roger!!! And you gotta wonder, what is going on with all these anonymous sources. This is all such a pitifully transparent charade!!! You would think that Cheney's team would have gotten a little slicker by now. So much hubris with these guys...


  124. Fed Up Says:

    Living in IRAN is really like a permanent torture. Let it to be finished! and let the president to do his JOB.

    Comment by farzad — February 11, 2007 @ 3:27 pm

    Sorry to hear things aren't going so well for you farzad.
    Maybe you need to get out a bit more and see more of your Nation....like maybe Tehran.

    Here - since you have a computer and are online - check out this video that shows a side of Tehran - maybe you haven't seen?

    http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html

    Hell - even the tens of thousands of jewish folks who live in Iran have decided to refuse Israel's offers to be relocated to Israel. I wonder why that is? Maybe they feel safer living in Iran, than they would in Israel? Funny how we never hear about suicide bombers killing jewish people in Iran??
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1807160,00.html


  125. unbelievable Says:

    But as a Christian, I can tell you that the recognition of the difference between the words and teachings of Christ and what the “Christian Right” have been trying to sell is not simply a subjective judgement.
    Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — February 11, 2007 @ 1:29 pm

    Christianity, by nature, is subjective (truth is always subjective to observers of it)... hence there aren't just Christians but Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Sounthern Baptists, Non-Demoninationals, Unitarians, Lutherans, Jews for Jesus, and so on.

    Anything that is subject to interpretation is subjective.

    If you guys don't like what the fundy neocons are doing in your name, then kick them out - or have your own "real Christian" Reformation.


  126. Adam Stanhope Says:

    Unfortunately, the people who "voted for [Bush] twice" love the idea of us attacking Iran!

    "Those godless Iranian bastards deserve it!"

    Please, please, please let there be someone sane in Bush's circle of advisors who can stop this madman.


  127. Bozzy Says:

    The propaganda is a success. Americans have been tricked into accepting that their blood and treasure will be used to achieve Israeli strategic objectives. We always hear about the Iran hostage crisis and how evil Iran is because of it, but whens the last time your heard about the cold blooded slaughter that was the USS Liberty.


  128. Arlington Acid Says:

    Well, if you and I (and the Congressional Dems who we elected to stop this psychotic killing spree) don't force the warclowns to back up and go home, we'll end up nuking Iran. When we nuke Iran, we'll deserve the nightmare that will end up on our doorstep. The world isn't going to stand by and allow the US to rampage around the planet, stealing the world's oil for itself. They will pull the rug out from under the dollar and overnight, we'll have a full-scale civil war on our hands (with 90% unemployed and starving), which will require the troops that will be up to their necks in Iraq and Iran. The numb-skulls who brought us the Iraq debacle haven't even started to show how ill-conceived their actions can be, just wait until they ramp it up and bring Iran into the mix. Perle was right, children of the future *will* sing songs about the neo-cons, but what he doesn't know is that they'll be about them "swinging from a lamp-post with his eyes popping out" and that sort of thing. God-damned monsters, the lot of 'em!


  129. STRIKE NOW! Says:

    No, not a military strike, a GENERAL STRIKE, across the country! Prostests are just TALK. GENERAL STRIKES are ACTION! SHUT THIS COUNTRY DOWN FROM THE INSIDE OUT until we DRIVE THE NEOCONS OUT once and for all. NO ONE BUYS OR SELLS ANYTHING. HIT THOSE INFLUENCING THIS INSANITY, THE CORPORATIONS, WHERE IT HURTS.


  130. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    Fed Up,

    Thanks for the film link.


  131. CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Says:

    farzad - it is an odd statement to request that another nation bomb your country. I have a very close friend from Iran and she weeps at the thought of bombing Iran. She tells me Iran is beautiful and so are it's people.

    I pray with every breath that the US does not bomb your nation. Just look at what happened in Iraq... it too was once a beautiful nation. Now all its history has gone up in smoke.


  132. catmando Says:

    Reply to Stefan, post #7;

    The Rethugs are invading Iran to accomplish two objectives;

    1) Protect Israel from non-existent Iranian nukes and

    2) Try to reduce Iran's meddling in Iraq(no evidence for this yet but I wouldn't be surprised)


  133. Kurt Says:

    IMPEACH!


  134. Marie Says:

    #122
    It has the letters “HE” printed on it. They claimed that it was made
    in 2006.
    Why isn’t the labeling in Farsi?
    Comment by Roger A

    Halliburton Enterprises?


  135. Rick Ward Says:

    Do we still believe that the bush admin. did not have a hand in 9/11 to start all this.??


  136. Just thinking Says:

    It seems to me that theres is far more going on here then what we are being told.
    It's funny that in the wake of Iran announcing it's willingness to attack our interest if we attack them. And China and Russia accusing us of wanting take over the world.
    It's like it's one plan between all of them to start a world war. And theres nothing any of us can do to stop it. They want to cut the worlds population by 80% by one account that I read.
    Does anyone know if fluoride can be combined with another compound that could cause instant death? It has been put into our water supply for years now. And our bodies are full of it.
    No I don't think it's gonna be a nuclear war, a war that well take most of us out quickly and leave the infrastructure intact.
    This way they wont have to rebuild and wait out a nuclear winter.
    Just a thought.


  137. Eargy Earp Says:

    The facial expressions on the picture really tells it all.

    Bush is still a spoiled brat who gets mad, is vengeant, is too stubborn, stupid, and is in a role too powerful to be discipined. We see the latest attempt at correction fails because ("I am the decision maker.") No need to use reason; it has not effect.

    Gilligan (the other guy) never would have risen to power in Iran without Bush.

    Like Bush, he does not represent his people: only hardline interests.


  138. nikolai Says:

    Bush is just the dummy on Cheney's lap.


  139. Lee Says:

    #3 - Factcheck - Enterprise returned to Norfolk in November. Stennis and Ike are in the area. Reagan went to Pacific to cover for Kittyhawk which is down for maintenance.


  140. theswan Says:

    After george makes the big death, we will all know we have a hitler on our hands.


  141. Dan Says:

    This is now truly beyond belief. Will the real anti-war movement please stand up now?


  142. Gollum Says:

    The righties have been dying for years to have the chance to use nukes. They'll do it and just up the ante for everyone else in the arms race, leading to destabilization, not to mention radiation spread through the region. We gave Saddam truckloads of support and arms for years to keep Iran in check, which is what he did. Now thta we've taken him out, Iran's position in the area is strengthened, with the natural winner in the Mess o' Potamia that Iraq has become being the shiites who are more allied with Iran. Let's all imagine a week in America where everyone who gives a damn just stays home from work, bringing the economy to a standstill, until GW and his minions actually LISTEN.


  143. John Brundage Says:

    Ron Paul, a Viet Nam veteran & conservative Republilcan congressman from Texas made this speech in Congress on the 6th:

    HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
    Before the U.S. House of Representatives

    February 6, 2007

    Don't Do It, Mr. President
    It’s a bad idea.
    There’s no need for it.
    There’s great danger in doing it.
    America is against it, and Congress should be.
    The United Nations is against it.
    The Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, and the Pakistanis are against it.
    The whole world is against it.
    Our allies are against it.
    Our enemies are against it.
    The Arabs are against it.
    The Europeans are against it.
    The Muslims are against it.
    We don’t need to do this.
    The threat is overblown.
    The plan is an hysterical reaction to a problem that does not yet exist.
    Hysteria is never a good basis for foreign policy.
    Don’t we ever learn?
    Have we already forgotten Iraq?
    The plan defies common sense.
    If it’s carried out, the Middle East, and possibly the world, will explode.
    Oil will soar to over $100 a barrel, and gasoline will be over $5 a gallon.
    Despite what some think, it won’t serve the interests of Israel.
    Besides-- it’s illegal.
    It’s unconstitutional.
    And you have no moral authority to do it.
    We don’t need it.
    We don’t want it.
    So, Mr. President, don’t do it.
    Don’t bomb Iran!
    The moral of the story, Mr. Speaker, is this: if you don’t have a nuke, we’ll threaten to attack you. If you do have a nuke, we’ll leave you alone. In fact, we’ll probably subsidize you. What makes us think Iran does not understand this?

    Some of his other speeches are worthwhile reading at his website:
    http://www.house.gov/paul . Click on the Index for his speeches & statements. Two in particular are of interest, “The End of Dollar Hegemony” 2/15/06 & “Iran the Next Neocon Target” 4/5/06. The following is a quote from that speech:
    “In 1953 our CIA, with help of the British, participated in overthrowing the democratic elected leader, Mohamed Mossedech. We placed the Shah in power. He ruled ruthlessly but protected our oil interests, and for that we protected him-- that is until 1979. We even provided him with Iran’s first nuclear reactor. Evidently we didn’t buy the argument that his oil supplies precluded a need for civilian nuclear energy. From 1953 to 1979 his authoritarian rule served to incite a radical Muslim opposition led by the Ayatollah Khomeini, who overthrew the Shah and took our hostages in 1979. This blowback event was slow in coming, but Muslims have long memories. The hostage crisis and overthrow of the Shah by the Ayatollah was a major victory for the radical Islamists. Most Americans either never knew about or easily forgot our unwise meddling in the internal affairs of Iran in 1953.
    During the 1980s we further antagonized Iran by supporting the Iraqis in their invasion of Iran. This made our relationship with Iran worse, while sending a message to Saddam Hussein that invading a neighboring country is not all that bad. When Hussein got the message from our State Department that his plan to invade Kuwait was not of much concern to the United States he immediately proceeded to do so. We in a way encouraged him to do it almost like we encouraged him to go into Iran. Of course this time our reaction was quite different, and all of a sudden our friendly ally Saddam Hussein became our arch enemy. The American people may forget this flip-flop, but those who suffered from it never forget. And the Iranians remember well our meddling in their affairs. Labeling the Iranians part of the axis of evil further alienated them and contributed to the animosity directed toward us."


  144. John Boone Says:

    my prediction is that israel will attack, where by iran will hit US ships in persian gulf, creating a new pearl harbor, and giving a free hand to bush to do what he wants.


  145. Kevin Rose Says:

    The world is reaching the end of fossil fuel and Bush is trying to secure as much of it as he can........the end


  146. freeman Says:

    # 146
    WOW
    good plan , pearl harbor meets the spanish armada


  147. TheRedPillPlz Says:

    Fed Up - Everything you
    have said is right on track! We are awake inside a carefully crafted "TV Land Matrix",
    WTC building 7, is a textbook demolition. Sorry, folks.... this is an inside
    job 100%. The media (except
    Hustler), Congressional majority, and the corporate elite are all in bed together;
    putting on a dog and pony show designed to keep us peaceably protesting or
    quietly asleep.
    I have written to representatives, talked with everyone I know, and protested.
    Yet, as action speaks for itself, treasons, unconstitutional and criminal acts
    met with frenzied legislation or additional power handed off.
    Don't be fooled, Bush is a bumbling idiot by design; it serves to shroud
    the preposterous claims of incompetence... Come on, Katrina (nice big port),
    slow investigation (white wash) into 9/11, poorly armed troops, what the US
    has been involved in Iraq for the last 50 years, yet had no strategic plan
    for the attack...;. Hummmm
    This is it -we can wait
    for the inevitable attack on Iran; continue to shout at deaf ears; or three
    to quote Fed Up, "I'm afraid that the only
    thing that might change the course here, is the kind of action that created
    our great Democracy in the first place."
    Oh, there was a comment
    about coupe' de tas that remove educated
    populace to better control the masses. Notable correlation, since 2001 a record
    number of microbiologist have disappeared, committed "suicide",
    or have been brutally murdered. Strange? Not when you read Cheney's statement
    in PNAC about, "How genetically modified biological weapons. Could be
    a politically useful tool...." Are these guys psychotic or what!;


  148. atrin Says:

    I am an Iranian but has never supported the Mullah's regime. How can I ask America not to Nuke me and tens of millions innocent Iranians like me. I hate Ahmadijenad and Khamenei, why you don't hear us. Life is my certain right, I want no nuclear energy, not American bombs.


  149. Maeven Says:

    At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse to attack Iran.

    It's no secret.

    What's a mystery is why we're putting up with these people. Why are we letting Republicans in Congress provide these people with cover? It's time, long past the time actually, to shut down the war in Iraq and the Bush administration.


  150. Jersey Jay Says:

    ..."NEWSWEEK has learned that a third carrier will likely follow."

    I heard this first from Scott Ritter over a week ago, and he even knew it was the Ronald W. Reagan. Why does the MSM crawl along weeks behind what happening? If you want to know what's coming next, listen to Scott Ritter and Sy Hersh. Let me tell you, it ain't gonna be pretty.


  151. Jersey Jay Says:

    Everything you
    have said is right on track! We are awake inside a carefully crafted "TV Land Matrix",

    TheRedPillPlz

    Right on Red!!!!


  152. STOP THIS!!!!! Says:

    Why is there no organized groups seeking to march into Washington and drag the whole lot of them out by their ears? This well need to be a million American march and anyone who tries to stop us should be prosecuted for obeying illegal orders. It is unconstitutional for our military to raise arms against us.
    The point is that this may be our only option. Neither the congress or the senate seems to be listening.
    And because if we don't do it then someone else well. And if we do do it then we well show the world that we as the people of America are not supporting the actions of our government.
    and that may be enough to stop WW3.
    Think of it. We have what about 300 million population here. And China by itself has around 4 billion. They could easily over run our country even if our military was here to protect us. But the bulk of our military is gonna be in the gulf. So we well be left to ourselves to fight a invading force mostly.
    I'm not talking about an armed attack on Washington. We should'nt need that. Most any military that is in Washington well not raise arms against Americans protesting and demanding the removal of these criminals. But inevitably well.And some of us could die in this.But if they did stop us it would only exculate to a all out civilwar.
    You can bet that if we allow Bushco to attack Iran for any reason. that China well get involved. Iran is their main supplier of oil.
    And we have no chance to fight them, except through nucs
    We have got to do this quickly tho. and none of us can be armed. It has to be shier numbers that do this. And anyone believed to be guilty of any war crimes well have to tried in a court. this is not about bloodshed but to preserve our nation and the peace worldwide.
    It is our only chance to stop this track we are on as a nation. And to tell the World that we as Americans well not stand up to this outrage and insanity that our government is allowing.


  153. wikki Says:

    Anyone heard of Sunburn missiles the Russians have sold to Iran?
    Google it.


  154. Travis W Redfish Says:

    These idiots are dragging us straight into Hell


  155. Tom Carey Says:

    I haven't read all the comments here. Maybe someone has mentioned this already.

    Bush and the cabal are cetainly capable of starting a war with Iran. Ignorant enough to believe it could succeed. Fanatical enough to be indiffeent to its devastating consequences.

    Once this war gets underway, these people are also capable of invoking emergency war powers and using them to "postpone" the 2008 presidential election.

    God give the Congress the courage to bring this reckless folly to a halt.


  156. Fed Up Says:

    I am an Iranian but has never supported the Mullah’s regime. How can I ask America not to Nuke me and tens of millions innocent Iranians like me. I hate Ahmadijenad and Khamenei, why you don’t hear us. Life is my certain right, I want no nuclear energy, not American bombs.

    Comment by atrin — February 11, 2007 @ 10:30 pm

    Atrin - my eyes watered up when I read your message.
    I am an American, ashamed of my country now.
    I wish there was some way I could make all of you safe - you could all come stay with me here, if that were possible somehow.

    I feel so stupid and worthless not knowing what to say or do that can make a difference in this world now.
    I am so very very sorry.
    If I could give my own life to save all of you in the world who are and will suffer from US - I would.


  157. Fed Up Says:

    Comment by TheRedPillPlz — February 11, 2007 @ 10:28 pm

    Thanks for your note.
    I saw a comment the other day from a reader that really hit the spot for me.
    He described the DEM/GOP two party system of "government" we have here, as nothing more than just a big professional wrestling style performance put on for us, by those behind the curtain who are truly in power.
    Just in case you haven't seen this - this is a video I think you might get a kick out of:
    They Want Your Soul:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=209842906347732903&q=they+want+your+soul


  158. marlow Says:

    testing...


  159. Xenon Says:

    Protest.


  160. ATA Says:

    Back around 1967, We the People of the United States
    started marching in the streets, protesting, and soon it became something the 'government' could no longer ignore.

    Ultimately it stopped a war.

    Its time to do it again.

    Somehow, the PNAC direction is still a very real goal to these people, they appear to be so deluded that they think it would work.

    It is now become our duty to the constitution to "throw da bums out!"


  161. Unterseeboot Says:

    The Repukes will never vote to impeach Chancellor Busch. They won't even vote to allow debate on "the surge" in the senate. They will have to be burned out of the Reichstag along with der Fuhrer. Even the man (James Baker III) who helped steal the election for him can talk no sense into him. His father and all that king's men (Scowcroft, Eagleburger, et al) can talk no sense into him. He does the bidding only of Satan (Cheney) himself. Look, he even threw Rumsfeld under the bus for a slight policy disagreement and signed on Mr. Iran-Contra (Gates) in his place. You don't think he cares about human life, do you? For those of you who recognised it, yes, the man is in a death spiral--and he's plans to take the world down with himself.


  162. joneden Says:

    If Vladimir does not think Bush knows what he is doing in the Middle East, he couldn't be more wrong.

    President Bush is BRINGING IT ON just as he promised Pastor Ted and his flock that he would for their 30 million votes.

    They hope their plan to light up Iran this spring (with underground nukes) may be enough to finally get all the separate fires that Bush has either set or fanned--Israel 's occupied territories, Lebanon, Iraq of course, and Afghanistan--to coalesce into that final conflagration from which all the good folk will be able to ascend into Heaven, that glorious place where a palace and a whole fleet of Hummers awaits each and every family.

    Jon
    The above is an excerpt from an irreverent response to criticism of the latest global warming report. For a good laugh and/or cry go to http://EcosystemCollapse.com/ellen.html

    For a thoroughly not funny piece, see:
    Connecting the dots: From human behaviors to Ecosystem decline
    http://StudentsForTheEarth.org


  163. Jeff Says:

    Neville Chamberlain read this statement to a cheering crowd in front of 10 Downing St. and said;

    "My good friends this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace in our time."

    For most of the contributors to this blog, this is their kind of politician.

    9/11 happened. Hiroshima happened. You put 9/11 perps with Hiroshima level weapons and you get 8 million American's dead and millions more slowly dieing.

    Bush is bringing the war to them on their land an in their neighbourhoods. It's grotesque. It's horrible. It's reality.

    If the Depression and the punitive measures in the Treaty of Versailles created an opening for Hitler; surely the Iraq War has created an opportunity for Ahmadinejad. What shall we do now -- today? We can't go back and time and instruct Floridians how to vote. What do you do NOW. It is quite possible that retreat is now the worst of some bad options. Like the millions of Germans who never wanted war, the Iranians may be in for it.

    May God bless and protect them and help us find peace this time.


  164. waltzingGoose Says:

    Perhaps we should hope to lose the next World War.


  165. Unterseeboot Says:

    Yo, Jeff. Do you still not understand that Iraq, where Bush is bringin' it to them on their land as you put it, played no role in 9-11? If he really wanted to go after the perpetrators, he'd have his army fighting in Pakistan, where bin Laden is hiding out, and in Saudi Arabia, where the Wahabist al Queda movement had its origins and where 15 of the 19 highjackers came from. Moreover, if al Queda had the ability to nuke us, our presence in Iraq would not stop them, rather it would motivate them. Let's see, we've aggrevated the Sunni muslims by trashing Iraq and now you want to give an encore performance for the Shias in Iran. You're just brilliant, if stupidity is genius.


  166. Joseph Buchanan Says:

    Whoa! look at that picture. Which one of those two looks completely demented?


  167. Sgt.Pepper Says:

    at 54,this viet vet been there done that,protest,march email,wont get it.Something else has to happen to get there attention,not advocating anarchy,already got it in Iraq,what good's it done!No,we gotta get thier attention where they can't ognore or avoid it.Apparently voting didn't do it,so gimme some suggestions cause i'm fresh out of ideas!Boycott walmart?Can't touch Hallibertan or criminal media.Have we reached a point of no return?


  168. Gary Denton Says:

    The USS Enterprise is supposed to be at Norfolk but I can find no news recently. I see one local newspaper serviceman report that they will be out to see for 4 months dated early Feb..

    The USS Ronald Reagan has been surge deployed to the "Western Pacific" according to the Navy but the local media in both California and Hawaii say "Persian Gulf" - meaning Arabian Sea.

    There have been rumors since early January that the Reagan woukld be the third carrier deployed for the air attack.


  169. Think Progress » U.S. sending third carrier strike group to Gulf. « Throwing Stones Says:

    [...] sending third carrier strike group to Gulf. Posted by throwingstones under Politics  Think Progress » U.S. sending third carrier strike group to Gulf. At least one former White House official contends that some Bush advisers secretly want an excuse [...]


  170. Buck Johnson Says:

    Do not believe what president Bush says, there is going to be a staged or provoked attack against one of our ships and he will say that he had to retaliate to protect the troops. Over the past months he has been saying over and over that protection of the troops is his priority. Yesterdays press conference shows that he will say that a faction of the Iranian govt. launched an attack and the US had to bomb a few buildings in Iran to get at them.
    He will push and push until they do something and a massive attack will be launched. My one fear is that I hope Bush hasn't underestimated the ground to ship missiles that Iran bought from Russia. With that many ships and 3 carriers in that small body of water, it will be a disaster if they hit and sink 3 of our carriers.


  171. Larry Says:

    I think that an animal, a species or a society that is too stupid to recognize a mortal threat and chooses to do nothing about it deserves the dust-bin of history.

    Iran declared war on the United States in 1979 and has been at war with us ever since. The islamic revolution should have been killed while it was in the cradle; at a time when international conventions would condone retaliation for the attack and occupation of the US embassy. But unfortunately at that time the country was ran by people that think along the lines of many commentors here. And look where we find oursleves; facing an even greater and more emboldened threat.

    The Iranians understand only one thing - force - and will play people as chumps that try to negotiate by lesser means. People accuse President Bush of not talking to the Iranians. I think these carrier groups speak quite clearly in a language they understand.


  172. mr.indy Says:

    I am a registered indepenint voter who reads info from both sides of the spectrum, and would like to state a few things.
    1. to go to "WAR" with Iran will take approval from congress
    2.Congress voted on the "WAR" with Iraq based on the best intel at that time (Hillary still stands by her vote)
    3. We (the mass public) do not know the real threat/ or lack of threat Iran posses with "Nuks"because we do have the highest clearence to see all the intel
    4. Iran has pubicly said they hate both America and Isrel


  173. Matt Says:

    SEND IN THE B's!!!!

    Iran's been asking for it for years!!!!

    What are we waiting for????

    We really need to invade Iran but the politicians don't have the guts for it. We need General Patton!!!


  174. Monique Says:

    I think that all this stuff is stupid. American soldiers should not be fighting a war and wasting their lives for a war that does not concern us. Many of the troops in Iraq have families with no husband or father. I myself lost my brother in the war and it wasn't because he wanted to go. The government drafted him in and made him go.


  175. Gaetano Says:

    To be brutally honest - If you're American, scared, and denouncing Bush rather than Iran's madman - then above all people you really are to be most pitied as a cowardly gutless traitor, a gutless wonder, and unfit for your citizenship who should be ridiculed mercilessly until you never want to show your face, or open your mouth again anywhere in the world. And to be even more brutally honest - you make me want to spit, because you disgust me. And I hope you tell your mother I said so, too.


  176. No More Incumbents New Hampshire - Promoting new candidates against Incumbents in New Hampshire » Bush vs. Chavez in a Battle of Compassion Says:

    [...] America. The figurehead of an administration whose recent attempts at diplomacy have come with carrier strike groups, George Bush has been met with both open arms and violent protests. The Presidents endeavor is [...]


  177. Think Progress » Blog Archive » CentCom Commander Fallon: Attack On Iran ‘Will Not Happen On My Watch’ Says:

    [...] warned that some Bush advisers secretly wanted an excuse to attack Iran. “They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,” she told [...]



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