Cheney Snubs Japanese Defense Minister For Saying Decision To Go Into Iraq Was ‘Wrong’
Cheney Snubs Japanese Defense Minister For Saying Decision To Go Into Iraq Was ‘Wrong’
Last month, Japan’s Defense Minister — Fumio Kyuma — said President Bush made a mistake in deciding to go war against Iraq. “President Bush went to war on the presumption that there might be nuclear weapons,” Kyuma told an audience assembled at the Japan Press Club in Tokyo. “That decision was wrong.”
For speaking with honesty and candidness about the decision to go to war, Kyuma will be treated to an official Vice Presidential snub, courtesy of Dick Cheney. The Japan Times reports:
When U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney comes to Japan this month, he probably won’t be meeting with Defense Minister Fumio Kyuma.
Government sources said Sunday that the United States has asked that no meeting between the two be scheduled, conveying strong displeasure over Kyuma’s recent criticism of the Iraq war and the realignment of U.S. forces.
Japan withdrew its 600 ground troops from Iraq in June after more than two years of service. Cheney’s refusal to meet with Kyuma sends a chilling message to our international allies, telling the world that the Bush administration cannot handle public dissent. The Washington tip sheet The Nelson Report says Cheney’s actions are already having their intended effect:
Fallout from squashing Kyuma from both ends includes this posting, by an ex-pat observer in Tokyo, who asks “can the US have effective alliance relations only with countries which toe the line all the time, and never question White House wisdom? And from that, is a Japan that says ‘Yes, Sir!’ all the time like some kind of robot, what America needs?”
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February 12th, 2007 at 9:47 am“can the US have effective alliance relations only with countries which toe the line all the time, and never question White House wisdom? And from that, is a Japan that says ‘Yes, Sir!’ all the time like some kind of robot, what America needs?â€
Of course. This administration holds that same view not only of international allies, but also of Congressional allies and its own citizens.
"My way or the highway".
"You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists".
It would be comical if it weren't also so sad and so dangerous.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:49 amIf Japan is good and behaves just the way DickenBush want they too can become charter members of the Axis of Douchebags along with UK Poodle Tony Blair and Howard the Dick from Australia.
-GSD
February 12th, 2007 at 9:54 amcan't even have negotiations with an ally. certainly can't talk to the people that we need to continue diplomacy with.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:54 amwhat an idiot. isn't someone going to throw him under the buss in the next couple days?
the japanese citizens should be relieved...
February 12th, 2007 at 9:56 ameverything darth touches turns evil ...
I teach children most of whom I recognize as more mature than the idiots who lead this nation. Cheney is the leader of the immature idiots who are not satisfied with the mess they have created in Iraq, and with the loss of American lives. Now they plan to attack Iran and they won't tell the American people until it is done deal, or when the whole Middle East blows up in our faces. IMPEACH NOW
February 12th, 2007 at 10:00 amDick is as Dick does.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:00 amWhat a butthole.
This guy needs a good lick'n. You know, the kind that actually involves some pain. Waterboarding or some similar grotesque process that the Dick has endorsed for use on others. Maybe in the Senate chambers, live on Fux News. It would help their falling ratings while giving Americans hope.
I believe Shooter's approval ratings here, (16%) are even lower globally.
Nice work, Dickhead.
how about Japan snubs Cheney and tells him to stay the hell away - it takes gall to snub somebody when you're the guest - though cheney has no shortage of gall and bile
February 12th, 2007 at 10:01 amHey! Up yours Japan. Take your cowardice out of our faces. You are either with us or against us, you bunch of raw, nasty fish eating, Nintendo game boy making, Godzilla, panty-loving wimps!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:04 amWell, this should help the US with their negotiations with North Korea.
It is just absolutely amazing in this day and age, that Cheney and his cohorts can't figure out that any country cannot go it alone.
The damage that they have done to the US is going to take decades to reverse.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:05 amIn the minds of the corporate militarists who pull Deadeye's chain, even Japan is expendable...
February 12th, 2007 at 10:05 amWhen China spills over its banks, they will say to Beijing:
"Keep the change"
My hunch is the Japanese Defense Minister is relieved not to have to meet with Cheney. After all, who on earth wants to be alone with the world's biggest Dick?
What's far more outrageous is the Prime Minister of Australia saying Al Quaida's praying for Barak and the democrats. How dare a foreign leader try and meddle in a U.S. election? How dare he accuse half the electorate of answering Al Quaida's prayers? I mean that's about as low as you can go in diplomatic gaffes.
If Cheney had even an ounce of respect for American Democracy, he'd be snubbing John Howard. But he doesn't.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:08 amWhy is Dick Cheney going to Japan?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:11 amThe world would be better off if the people impeached or some country overthrew this evil dictator!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:12 amGutless coward
February 12th, 2007 at 10:12 amLucky Mr. Kyuma, he won't have to endure Dickless's halitosis.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:14 amServes that Japanese Defense Minister right! How dare he criticise our Dick! He should make it up to Dick by hand releasing white Doves from a cage so that Dick can shoot them from out of the window of his heated limo.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:15 am"Cheney’s refusal to meet with Kyuma sends a chilling message to our international allies, telling the world that the Bush administration cannot handle public dissent."
Hasn't that message already been sent... REPEATEDLY???
February 12th, 2007 at 10:21 amI agree w/ you, No. 12 - why is the prime minister of a foreign country trying to influence an election that's still 16 months away? Hello? Emboldened by Rupert Murdoch's "success", are we?
BTW, is no. 9 supposed to be "satire" or does "Old Redneck" actually think he's making some sort of point? If s/he's for real, s/he's so symptomatic of the problem - a completely unthinking person who fantasizes his/her incoherent, nasty ramblings somehow actually add up to a valid position on "something." Frightening...
February 12th, 2007 at 10:21 amThe White House or State Department should release a statement demanding an apology from John Howard.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:27 amLittle thin-skinned there, huh, Dickie?
How long do you think it will be before there is no one who cares whether or not you are pleased with them - particularly since the number of those who disagree with you are increasing every day?
Don't you think all this stress has caused you to agree that you need to retire from politics and go home to rest?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:28 am#13 mp
February 12th, 2007 at 10:30 amCheney is planning a ten day trip to Asia -- is this to throw a monkey wrench into the Libby trial, where he is likely to be called as a witness?
Either you're for us or against us. Even though they can economically damage us (Federal Reserve), I would rather have a loyal country as an ally than a country that refuses to support our cause to restore peace and liberation in the middle eastern region. They may be aiding terrorist. I believe that Russia and China are aiding Iran.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:33 amlong past time that the rest of the planet refuses to meet with Chainee.Soon he may have trouble entering and leaving other countries at all .War crimes have staying power ,no statute of limitations , he can still be convicted in the future ( if there is one )
February 12th, 2007 at 10:35 am.Pleasant dreams DICK !!!
Bush Club Rule #1: Never, ever criticize a decision that added to Halliburton's bottom line.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:36 amDaryll
The prophets of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament were very critical of their fellow Jews. Does that mean they were "against" the Jews, disloyal, and aiding the unbelievers?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:37 amMy God, how immature can you get? Dickie, boy, take your temper tantrum and go home!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:38 amI don't see why Dickster doesn't just tell him to go F*ck himself and leave it at that.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:40 amBWAHAHAHA ~ Daryll!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:43 amWould Jeebus Nuke Tokyo?
#9 ATTN TP ADMIN
racial smears in comment #9, please delete
February 12th, 2007 at 10:51 amBaal and Cheney, the wheels of justice turn slowly , but inexorably !
Have pity on those whose chances grow slimmer ,
February 12th, 2007 at 10:57 amthere ain't no hiding place from the father of creation .
Bob marley
29 Ruc
of course Jeebus wouldn't nuke Tokyo, but he'd nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and of course it would be the jews fault because he ordered it BEFORE he was crucified
(gosh, i need some coffee)
o wait, it's EVERYBODY else that can't be trusted with nuclear energy
February 12th, 2007 at 11:04 amLet's snub Cheney and all he stands for by sending him and his partners in treason to jail.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:08 amThat stinkin' ingrate is imboldinin' the enemy.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:10 amThat picture in the post isn't Kyuma--it's President Koizumi.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:17 amThe day these Bozos (Cheney, Bush) leave office can't come quick enough.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:19 amThe day these Bozos (Cheney, Bush) leave office can’t come quick enough.
Comment by ForTruth
Yes, it would be best if they suffered Premature Evacuation of their offices.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:25 amThe Central bank of Japan may decide to "snub" the next US Treasury auction. Japan is the biggest buyer of US Treasuries after China...
February 12th, 2007 at 11:29 amCheney:
Mommy, that japanese guy at school doesnt like me.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:30 am"So if by us, you mean you and your dog in your grandma’s basement, then yeah, I am against you."
Leave the dog out of it. The poor beast cannot help it if his master is stupid!
February 12th, 2007 at 11:32 amClinton Administration Snubs Congressional Hearing on U.N. 'Peacekeeping'
Bill Clinton snubs Africa-NEPAD
Obama Skips out on Union "Forum", Democratic Voters
Netanyahu miffed by Clinton snub
Queen of the Democrats snubs France's Royal visit
Yeah, that darn "BushCo"... you'd never catch any of our people using a 'snub' as a tool of diplomacy.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:38 amEither you’re for us or against us.
Comment by Daryll
Since you posted here on TP your undying support for Ted Haggard and Mark Foley in the past, I woulds have to say I am against you Daryll.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:42 amYes this Administration wants only robot responses from all even the American people. The world leaders now know the Bush/Cheney Administration are liars and invaders and will stab you in the back without blinking an eye. Japan and China better nuke up because Bush/Cheney might bomb them next if Bush has to much to drink and has his drugs. Putin was correct when he said Bush created fear so now we have countries trying to protect themselves from possible weapons attack by the US.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:47 amKeep it up boys, when you decide to invade the Persian people of the middle east and start WWIII, who is going to be the ones to watch our 6? List keeps getting shorter.......
February 12th, 2007 at 11:52 amNobody with any common sense is interested in meeting with that soul-less fat bastard any way...
...he's politically DEAD...
...and hopefully will soon be:
INVESTIGATED
February 12th, 2007 at 11:58 amIMPEACHED
INCARCERATED
IMPOVERISHED
big papa, with the way you post, i feel like i could spot you if we passed each other on the way to work,
i like your vehemence
would be wonderful to see these guys impoverished, reliant on the veyr assistance they cut from the poor (and give to the rich)
February 12th, 2007 at 12:11 pmQuelle disaster! Pretty soon, he won't have ANYONE he's speaking with.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI have an idea--let's build a bunker and place Cheney, Bush, Kristol, Rove, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Bremer, Feith--the whole bunch--in a nice, safe place, where they are unable to harm others. Let 'em harm each other.
Maybe Ted Haggard could go along, too. Oh, and Sean Hannity.
sorry, forgot mAnn Coulter and Condi.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:17 pmGodzilla, panty-loving wimps
Man those godzilla panties are huge?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:17 pmComment by karlX #47
It takes a moron to believe...
...that Bushiva, L'il Dick and company...
...aren't purposely wrecking the united states of America...
...they've always hated our way of life...
...these are the xenophobes, racists, and "money-changers in the temple"...
...they hate diversity and real compassion...
...God has something very special in store for them all...
...and it ain't "HEAVEN"...
February 12th, 2007 at 12:38 pmDude. Did you take your medicine today?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:45 pmThat is, attack now the allies in the Coalition of the Few Ones Left.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:53 pmSorry, spudge, but anytime I see someone ranting and raving like big papa was, I automatically assume they're a bit out there.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pmi agree with 35? why is there a pic of Koizumi? it makes thinkprogress look amatuerish and also insinuates that it doesnt matter since "they look alike"
February 12th, 2007 at 1:15 pmI know I'm fighting a losing battle, but it's not "candidness" it's "candor." We're not talking the Colbert Report, here, people.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:17 pmbig papa certainly is the local perma ranter...
why doesnt TP take out the racist comments in this thread? i've sent them four messages about it and they've done nothing!
February 12th, 2007 at 1:22 pmComment by Dale #57
Dale,
Why do you hate our way of life?
Why have you closed your eyes to the possibility that my "rants and ravings" (as you've characterized them)...
...are true...
...especially given the facts as they are pertaining to the REAL state of our union?
...I don't want to reconcile with people who "think" (or don't) like you...
...you worship men...
...I believe in my own ability to see what is real, and worship NO man, woman or child...
February 12th, 2007 at 1:26 pmWow, big (may I call you big?) you must really be a great judge of character. To make all of those assumptions about me with the few words that I posted. /sarcasm
What an inconcievably, utterly arrogant attitude to take... it seems like anybody that doesn't agree with you 'hates our way of life'. Just what gives you the idea that you know anything about me? Because of a few words written on this blog? Do you really believe that you know what I think about, or indeed what the motives are of Pres. Bush/VP Cheney/etc?
And this line
That was just a gem... you're telling me that you don't want to reconcile with people like me? Your way or the highway?
And you wonder why I call it ranting?
February 12th, 2007 at 1:35 pmPerhaps if the entire Japanese cabinent endorsed the views of their Defense Minister they could scrub Cheney's visit all together. It's worth a try.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:50 pmCHANGE THE PHOTO PLEASE!
CHANGE THE PHOTO PLEASE!
CHANGE THE PHOTO PLEASE!
CHANGE THE PHOTO PLEASE!
CHANGE THE PHOTO PLEASE!
As others have said, the photo is of Prime Minister Koizumi, not Defense Minister Kyuma. How could Think Progress not care enough to know the difference?
February 12th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI am sure that Defense Minister Kyoma isn't that upset with this so-called snub as he doesn't want to get any blood on his person from Darth VPres's hands!
February 12th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFor all whom my "ranting" offends...
...this is NOT politics as usual...
...I get disgusted when each and every day i see reports of 100, 70, 50, 80 Iraqis killed...
...at a market, or a shrine, or wherever...
...America has EXPORTED death and destruction to a country and a people who have done NOTHING to us...
...we have done so for the PROFIT of a few...
...anyone on this board who can't see this is an IDIOT...
...so if my ranting offends you...
... kiss my (entire) a...
February 12th, 2007 at 2:35 pm64.
that's kinda funny, in a sick ironical way tp deserves to have there own moniker stolen for paying so little attnetion to the shite that is posted
February 12th, 2007 at 2:55 pmNice, big... anybody that doesn't agree with you is an idiot...
Do you realize that in the late 1990's, Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright, and William Cohen concluded "that Saddam Hussein was an intolerable menace to his neighbors, to American allies, and ultimately to the United States itself, and therefore had eventually to be removed. "
How about this statement from Pres Clinton:
"When I left office, there was a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for. That is, at the end of the first Gulf War, we knew what he had. We knew what was destroyed in all the inspection processes and that was a lot. And then we bombed with the British for four days in 1998. We might have gotten it all; we might have gotten half of it; we might have gotten none of it. But we didn't know. So I thought it was prudent for the president to go to the U.N. and for the U.N. to say you got to let these inspectors in, and this time if you don't cooperate the penalty could be regime change, not just continued sanctions."
--Bill Clinton, July 22, 2003"
And, could you please provide proof of who has profited from the war in Iraq? Pretty please? Facts and figures, please, not the 'evil Bush-supported Halliburton, everybody knows that'
Ah, big, you're a credit to close-minded fools everywhere.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by Dale #69
Clinton probably said the same of a lot of world leaders...
...L'il Kim (DPRK), Putin (Russia), Hu (China)...
...but we haven't attacked them have we?
...as for the war profiteering...
...if you aren't familiar with the Waxman hearings...
...and the indictments handed down for fraud on Iraq reconstruction that hasn't taken place...
...then your head's further up your anus than i had previously thought...
...stop playing games sh*t-fer-brains Repulsivescum RETARD...
...you're not particularly good at it...
February 12th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhich "Waxman Hearings" are you specifically referring to? And which charges? C'mon, big... facts please, not just your insane rantings.
Sad, big, really sad... maybe one day you'll become an adult, then we can discuss this again.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pmSorry, didn't do a good job of copying the quote in #71... try this instead:
February 12th, 2007 at 3:43 pm
dale, enough already goading on BigP.
what do you think about the post you are commenting under:
Cheney's Snub.
do you have any opinion or comments you'd like to share other than Big P's commenting style?
February 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pmWe have seen the Bush administration compared to Hitler and Stalin.
Actually they remind me more of the Japanese warlords who took over their government in the 1930's
It was a faction for war, much as we have in our government today.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pmSorry, karl, it's just so much fine.
Cheney's snub? The point I tried to make in my original post is that a 'snub' like this is an accepted part of diplomacy. Was it the right thing to do in this case? I'm not sure, I don't know enough about geo-politics to form an opinion. But whether it was or was not the correct thing to do isn't indicative of attitudes that deserve these types of responses:
ThinkProgress's stated purpose is APAF strives to transform progressive ideas into policy through rapid response communications, legislative action, grassroots organizing, advocacy and partnerships with other progressive leaders throughout the country and the world.
One of the terms of agreement says that posters must not:
• Post any content to the Blog that is unlawful, racist, hateful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, or that intentionally discriminates against or harasses particular individuals or groups.
So is this purpose of this blog being served by the above comments?
Yes, by all means, rail against any particular policy of Pres. Bush or VP Cheney... talk about exactly what you think is wrong with it. But try, oh try, to be just a little bit mature in your approach; this sounds like something out of kindergarten.
February 12th, 2007 at 4:04 pmOh yeah, also this:
As you said in #30 karl, where are the admins?
February 12th, 2007 at 4:06 pmwell, i think in a subtle way your post was meant to provoke commentors, " could have been seen as sticking up for Cheney" (which is kind of strange thing to do around here, if not to provoke) and was not addressed to TP Staff who posted the somewhat "silly" post;
February 12th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI've heard that the last time Cheney was in Tokyo, an unprecedented number of US Embassy staff called in "sick" so as to avoid attending the reception for him.
February 12th, 2007 at 5:07 pmIt's supremely ironic that Cheney (a fossil from the Cold War) has, with the help of his stalwarts, effectively handed Communism the win, by triple-mortgaging our homeland to the Chinese to get money to fight religious fundamentalists in the Middle East, so his stalwarts can enjoy greater ROI on their petro-military industry shares.
February 12th, 2007 at 5:34 pmDear TP commenters, we never meant to suggest that today's picture was of Kyuma. We were quite well aware that it was of Koizumi, and we never misrepresented what it was.
The only reason we included it was because it was a picture of Cheney's last trip to Japan.
We've included a caption for greater clarity.
February 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pmFallout from squashing Kyuma from both ends includes this posting, by an ex-pat observer in Tokyo, who asks “can the US have effective alliance relations only with countries which toe the line all the time, and never question White House wisdom? And from that, is a Japan that says ‘Yes, Sir!’ all the time like some kind of robot, what America needs?â€
They are used to their robotic base always saying "Yes Sir, and you bet...it's what they expect from their allies as well. Which is why we have fewer and fewer every day.
February 12th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI can't think of a HAPPIER OCCASION than to be snubbed by Torticola Cheney! Kyuma SHOULD BREAK OUT THE CHAMPAGNE(or Sake if he'son a tight budget)AND TOAST NOT HAVING TO MEET THAT VILE COWARDLY CREEP Cheney--HIP! HIP! HOORAY!!!!!!
February 12th, 2007 at 8:48 pmYes, by all means, rail against any particular policy of Pres. Bush or VP Cheney… talk about exactly what you think is wrong with it. But try, oh try, to be just a little bit mature in your approach; this sounds like something out of kindergarten.
Comment by Dale #72
Dale,
Please familiarize yourself with a right wing ideological phrase...
..."starving the beast"...
...it refers to the conned'self-servative philosophy of destroying government...
...by making it unpalatable, unaffordable, and lacking credibility...
...to the people...
...the Bush administration's tax cuts during a war, medicare "reform", Iraq war, and response to Katrina...
...and ALL of the corruption and graft involved therein...
...show government as being incompetent, untrustworthy, and without the compassion for the very people it is supposed to serve...
Another term you may want to familiarize yourself with is "manifest destiny"...
...this might help you get your mind around WHY the preemptive naked aggression...
...then go out to recess...
February 12th, 2007 at 8:52 pmI don't think I'd feel snubbed... more like relieved that I wouldn't have to shake hands with the evil bastard.
February 13th, 2007 at 10:50 amThis leads me to believe that Chaney is not confident about that decision either. If he was, you would think he would want the opportunity to meet with Fumio to explain the rationale for going to war. By snubbing him, he is conceding the error.
February 13th, 2007 at 11:57 amDICK the big DICK. He who avoided the war in Vietnam with five-five Deferments and then had the gall to say " I had other priorities- If you will." His partner in crime DUMBYA AWOL in Alabama from his unit. Not understanding the Culture's of this complex world. The Japanese are easily offended and it affects their whole country. Personnaly I would think the Defense Minister would be glad not to have BLOOD on his hand's from a hand shake with "Darth."
These two played toy soldiers with our youth and are failing in their quest for Middle East Oil.
IMPEACH THEM OR HOLD THEM FOR WAR CRIMES!!!!
February 13th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThe back & forth of big papa & Dale, which at times is a bit childish, does what we as a people have been avoiding. Real public passionate human discourse.
February 13th, 2007 at 1:33 pmThe PC police were in force back in 2001, when if you disagreed or perceived what this band of traitors were & planning to do to America, spoke out loud in any setting. You were looked at with distain & ridiculed, called a traitor or didn't know what you were talking about.
Yet, here we are, and this government of ours still allows the powers that direct the course of our nation to go boldly forward, collecting the wealth they desire. All of this is only about money & control.
We, the people are no longer feared by our government, both Republican and Democrat, we squeak not bite. But, when foreign leaders renounce their actions we rally loudly, pro & con. Cheney was always evil & repugnant so where the revelation?
We still feel bound by civility that makes anger unacceptable. Can't use references to Hitler, Nazis, etc But any student of history can see the parallels in form.
As for impeachment, remember, we the people let this government do away with liberty, freedom, the honor & respect of world history. So it comes to a place that, our allies are 'flip flopping', and we the people are flipping & flopping too. Honor demands we impeach ourselves & our government, then acknowledge & accept our duplicity, our complicity, stand and make the real hard decisions sitting back allowed to happen & become real, to again be the greatest Nation that has existed on this earth. What are we really ready to give up to be what we should have always been but fell away from?
Being right about this government when everyone else was wrong should not make us proud, but shamed, for we are 'the people' and we always get the government we deserve.
Do we, did we deserve better? We the people in order to form a more perfect Union…..
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