Comments on: McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:54:40 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: McCain to speak at Creationist Institute on Feb. 23. I just threw up in my mouth a little. | Chicago Typewriter http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-2166747 McCain to speak at Creationist Institute on Feb. 23. I just threw up in my mouth a little. | Chicago Typewriter Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:28:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-2166747 [...] February 23, 2007, the “maverick” John McCain will address the Discovery Institute, the privately funded vehicle for Intelligent Design [...] [...] February 23, 2007, the “maverick” John McCain will address the Discovery Institute, the privately funded vehicle for Intelligent Design [...]

]]> By: Shrdlu42 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1882173 Shrdlu42 Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:40:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1882173 # <strong>Judaism has no problem with Evolution.</strong> <blockquote>For what it’s worth, evolution is not in opposition to Christianity. Comment by Admin — February 12, 2007 @ 7:46 pm</blockquote> What Admin says is quite true. Evolution is only a threat to those who insist on biblical literalism (or literalism in whatever they consider holy text). These people are making a false idol out of their scripture (in the case of former Alabama Judge Moore, literally a graven one!). Judaism does not require literalism. When I was growing up most synagogues were using a version of the Pentateuch (the five books of Moses) published by the Soncino Press. It included commentaries by a former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire (from around the 1930’s). In it (page 194 of the second edition) he points out that the greatest Jewish commentator of all time (Rashi) taught that scripture was not supposed to give a strict chronology of creation, and that Maimonides taught that the account is not meant to be literal. The Chief Rabbi also makes the following point: imagine if Genesis Chapter 1 had contained a scientifically accurate account of the creation: <blockquote>Monera begat Amoeba, Amoeba begat Synamoebae, Synamoebae begat Ciliated Larva, . . . Primary Mammals begat Pouched Animals, Pouched Animals begat Semi-Apes, Semi-Apes begat Tailed Apes, Tailed Apes begat Man-like Apes, Man-like Apes begat Ape-like Men, Ape-like Men begat Men.</blockquote> Would such an account have even been understood, much less inspiring? Galileo said it best, the bible exists to explain how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go (or were made). For that question we must turn to the observable facts, analyzed by reason. In short, for that we need science (knowledge not faith). #
Judaism has no problem with Evolution.

For what it’s worth, evolution is not in opposition to Christianity.

Comment by Admin — February 12, 2007 @ 7:46 pm

What Admin says is quite true. Evolution is only a threat to those who insist on biblical literalism (or literalism in whatever they consider holy text). These people are making a false idol out of their scripture (in the case of former Alabama Judge Moore, literally a graven one!).

Judaism does not require literalism. When I was growing up most synagogues were using a version of the Pentateuch (the five books of Moses) published by the Soncino Press. It included commentaries by a former Chief Rabbi of the British Empire (from around the 1930’s). In it (page 194 of the second edition) he points out that the greatest Jewish commentator of all time (Rashi) taught that scripture was not supposed to give a strict chronology of creation, and that Maimonides taught that the account is not meant to be literal.

The Chief Rabbi also makes the following point: imagine if Genesis Chapter 1 had contained a scientifically accurate account of the creation:

Monera begat Amoeba, Amoeba begat Synamoebae, Synamoebae begat Ciliated Larva, . . . Primary Mammals begat Pouched Animals, Pouched Animals begat Semi-Apes, Semi-Apes begat Tailed Apes, Tailed Apes begat Man-like Apes, Man-like Apes begat Ape-like Men, Ape-like Men begat Men.

Would such an account have even been understood, much less inspiring? Galileo said it best, the bible exists to explain how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go (or were made). For that question we must turn to the observable facts, analyzed by reason. In short, for that we need science (knowledge not faith).

]]> By: lvogt http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1844580 lvogt Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:11:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1844580 Weathervane McCain flips again. Weathervane McCain flips again.

]]> By: Bill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1844539 Bill Wed, 21 Feb 2007 23:04:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1844539 other times McCain clearly flip flopped but this time it is not so clear he said that he thought that creation should be taught in school but not in science class what is wrong with that but really have you ever seen or heard of a strange experiance with ghosts or something else like two people picking up a person with two fingures if there is bad there is good no matter how the story is told other times McCain clearly flip flopped but this time it is not so clear he said that he thought that creation should be taught in school but not in science class what is wrong with that but really have you ever seen or heard of a strange experiance with ghosts or something else like two people picking up a person with two fingures if there is bad there is good no matter how the story is told

]]> By: me http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1844488 me Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:55:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1844488 Other times I agree McCain clearly flip flopped this time it isn,t so clear as he did say Creation should be taught in schools but clearly not in science classes what is wrong with that? Besides haven,t you ever had or seen a really strange experiance with a ghost or something else you can,t say there isn´t some power other than humane out there so what is it Other times I agree McCain clearly flip flopped this time it isn,t so clear as he did say Creation should be taught in schools but clearly not in science classes what is wrong with that? Besides haven,t you ever had or seen a really strange experiance with a ghost or something else you can,t say there isn´t some power other than humane out there so what is it

]]> By: Archibald http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1840622 Archibald Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:06:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1840622 FINALLY someone on this page who actually bothered to READ what the speech and event are all about - a keynote at The World Affair's Council event. Thanks Greg! As for the rest of the foam-at-the mouth crowd here, try to read first and write second. FINALLY someone on this page who actually bothered to READ what the speech and event are all about – a keynote at The World Affair’s Council event.

Thanks Greg!

As for the rest of the foam-at-the mouth crowd here, try to read first and write second.

]]> By: Greg http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1832086 Greg Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:28:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1832086 McCain isn't speaking at a creationist event, but on America's role in the world at a luncheon presented by The World Affairs Council and CityClub of Seattle. The Discovery Institute is one of many "co-presenters" of the event, on the bottom of the event's information page, below the main sponsors logos. It's hardly surprising that they would puff themselves up to impress their credulous readers who likely won't be anywhere near Seattle, with the seventy five dollar ticket. I would be surprised if McCain even knows of the DI's participation. http://www.world-affairs.org/ McCain isn’t speaking at a creationist event, but on America’s role in the world at a luncheon presented by The World Affairs Council and CityClub of Seattle.

The Discovery Institute is one of many “co-presenters” of the event, on the bottom of the event’s information page, below the main sponsors logos.

It’s hardly surprising that they would puff themselves up to impress their credulous readers who likely won’t be anywhere near Seattle, with the seventy five dollar ticket. I would be surprised if McCain even knows of the DI’s participation.

http://www.world-affairs.org/

]]> By: Jonesy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1832003 Jonesy Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:14:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1832003 He's tricky, that McCain. He says he doesnt think teaching that the world was created in 6 days should be taught in science class, but he doesnt say that he thinks ID shouldnt be. This should be interesting. Im looking forward to see what he says at The Discovery Institute. He’s tricky, that McCain. He says he doesnt think teaching that the world was created in 6 days should be taught in science class, but he doesnt say that he thinks ID shouldnt be.

This should be interesting. Im looking forward to see what he says at The Discovery Institute.

]]> By: Rolling Stone National Affairs Daily » Blog Archive » Weathervane McCain: Throw Rummy Under the Bus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1828426 Rolling Stone National Affairs Daily » Blog Archive » Weathervane McCain: Throw Rummy Under the Bus Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:13:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1828426 [...] I take the unmaking of John McCain personally. Another lifetime ago, when he was running against Gov. G.W. Bush, I registered Republican to vote for McCain in the California presidential primary. He struck me as a principled problem solver. A man who might bring about a post-partisan revolution in good government and accountability. So it’s truly disheartening to watch McCain jettison the principled independence that used to make him a transcendent figure. Jerry Fallwell, formerly an “agent of intollerance” in McCain’s estimation is now a chum, who no doubt smiled when McCain decided to deliver the keynote address at an creationist convention. [...] [...] I take the unmaking of John McCain personally. Another lifetime ago, when he was running against Gov. G.W. Bush, I registered Republican to vote for McCain in the California presidential primary. He struck me as a principled problem solver. A man who might bring about a post-partisan revolution in good government and accountability. So it’s truly disheartening to watch McCain jettison the principled independence that used to make him a transcendent figure. Jerry Fallwell, formerly an “agent of intollerance” in McCain’s estimation is now a chum, who no doubt smiled when McCain decided to deliver the keynote address at an creationist convention. [...]

]]> By: Naturally Politics » Blog Archives » McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1788379 Naturally Politics » Blog Archives » McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists Sun, 18 Feb 2007 07:04:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1788379 [...] Click here for more Posted in Congressional Politics, Electoral Politics | Trackback | del.icio.us | Top Of Page [...] [...] Click here for more Posted in Congressional Politics, Electoral Politics | Trackback | del.icio.us | Top Of Page [...]

]]> By: WillieJ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1785222 WillieJ Sun, 18 Feb 2007 02:16:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1785222 I knew you wouldnt publish my comment. So much for the freedom of speech via the liberals Darwinist. I knew you wouldnt publish my comment. So much for the freedom of speech via the liberals Darwinist.

]]> By: www.buzzflash.net http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1779580 www.buzzflash.net Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:47:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1779580 <strong>McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists...</strong> on February 23, Sen. McCain will be the keynote speaker for the most prominent creationism advocacy group in the country. The Discovery Institute, a religious right think-tank, is well-known for its strong opposition to evolutionary biology and its adv... McCain To Deliver Keynote Speech For Creationists…

on February 23, Sen. McCain will be the keynote speaker for the most prominent creationism advocacy group in the country. The Discovery Institute, a religious right think-tank, is well-known for its strong opposition to evolutionary biology and its adv…

]]> By: Steve http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1770275 Steve Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:24:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1770275 Can't wait to hear McCain calling for Marxism-Leninism in every public school ... Can’t wait to hear McCain calling for Marxism-Leninism in every public school …

]]> By: Willie J http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1766767 Willie J Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:27:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1766767 What a sad bunch of folks to be so ignorantly bigoted as to believe that Darwin's theory actually proves anything. As one of any intelligence should obviously see, one has NEVER created ANYTHING through an evolutionary process. If anything object whether material or animated comes to being it is done so by a creator, from conception to design to creation. The question that comes to mind, “Are the Darwinists willing to change their lifestyle without God to accept the lifestyle of living for the Creator?” As one can well see, they are not willing to change, therefore, creating an out for themselves. In the final analysis, we will all find out the truth, whether we like it or now. What a sad bunch of folks to be so ignorantly bigoted as to believe that Darwin’s theory actually proves anything. As one of any intelligence should obviously see, one has NEVER created ANYTHING through an evolutionary process. If anything object whether material or animated comes to being it is done so by a creator, from conception to design to creation. The question that comes to mind, “Are the Darwinists willing to change their lifestyle without God to accept the lifestyle of living for the Creator?” As one can well see, they are not willing to change, therefore, creating an out for themselves. In the final analysis, we will all find out the truth, whether we like it or now.

]]> By: null http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1760528 null Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:39:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1760528 "money talks, b-s walks" is a favorite saying among certain salesman types. In this case, money talks, honesty walks! “money talks, b-s walks” is a favorite saying among certain salesman types. In this case, money talks, honesty walks!

]]> By: BlackFlag McCain Will Deliver Speech for Creationists « http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1747463 BlackFlag McCain Will Deliver Speech for Creationists « Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:21:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1747463 [...] — BlackFlag Republican presidential-hopeful Senator John McCain is going from bad to worse. Think Progress is reporting that McCain will deliver the keynote address for the Discovery Institute, the most vocal [...] [...] — BlackFlag Republican presidential-hopeful Senator John McCain is going from bad to worse. Think Progress is reporting that McCain will deliver the keynote address for the Discovery Institute, the most vocal [...]

]]> By: The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics » The Big Problem with 08 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1745568 The Seminal :: Independent Media and Politics » The Big Problem with 08 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:49:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1745568 [...] Forget the fact that he ditched the “Straight Talk Express” for the first class trip to “Crazy Town” but the fact that he’s going to be 72 years old in 2008 is enough to convince people he “may [...] [...] Forget the fact that he ditched the “Straight Talk Express” for the first class trip to “Crazy Town” but the fact that he’s going to be 72 years old in 2008 is enough to convince people he “may [...]

]]> By: Writing on the Wall » McCain to speak at the Discovery Institue http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1744544 Writing on the Wall » McCain to speak at the Discovery Institue Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:42:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1744544 [...] about pandering. Think Progress reports that McCain is scheduled to give the keynote speech at a Discovery Institute event next week. Oh [...] [...] about pandering. Think Progress reports that McCain is scheduled to give the keynote speech at a Discovery Institute event next week. Oh [...]

]]> By: Joe Mama http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1744183 Joe Mama Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:18:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1744183 I don't like McCain at all. However this article is total trash. McCain is giving a talk at a luncheon on international issues, not creationism. DI is a minor co-sponsor of the event. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. I don’t like McCain at all.

However this article is total trash. McCain is giving a talk at a luncheon on international issues, not creationism. DI is a minor co-sponsor of the event.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

]]> By: Jordan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/comment-page-4/#comment-1744047 Jordan Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:57:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/12/mccain-creationism/#comment-1744047 I can believe from the comments on this article that people did come from monkeys. Just because government says something isn't true......that obviously means it definitely is. What is so bad about actually teaching creationism since our freakin country was founded on those ideals. Only up till this century did this new way of thinking happen. Get your facts straight them come back to talk. I can believe from the comments on this article that people did come from monkeys. Just because government says something isn’t true……that obviously means it definitely is. What is so bad about actually teaching creationism since our freakin country was founded on those ideals. Only up till this century did this new way of thinking happen. Get your facts straight them come back to talk.

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