ThinkFast: February 12, 2007
ThinkFast: February 12, 2007
“Thunderous explosions and dense black smoke swirled through the center of Baghdad Monday when at least two car bombs…tore through a crowded marketplace, setting off dozens of secondary explosions and killing at least 71 people.”
Maj. Gen. Jim Simmons, a deputy commanding general in Iraq said that insurgents had adopted new tactics and stepped up their efforts to shoot down American helicopters. Simmons acknowledged the unreported downing of a Black Hawk late last month, and revealed that enemy fire had hit at least 17 U.S. helicopters a month in Iraq.
The Washington Post noted that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has called on big soft money donors to bankroll his expected presidential campaign, despite the fact that he has personally campaigned against the use of “soft money.” McCain called the Post article the “worst hit job that has ever been done in my entire political career.”
Lt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan for 21 months, said, “The intelligence has gone cold on Osama bin Laden.” He also said he expected a fresh offensive by the Taliban in the spring and an “increase in enemy activity.”
“A growing number of states are paying antiabortion activists to counsel women with unplanned pregnancies. At least eight states — including Florida, Missouri and Pennsylvania — use public funds to subsidize…programs explicitly designed to steer women away from abortion.”
“Three days of intense debate over the Iraq war begins in the House today, with Democrats planning to propose a narrowly worded rebuke of President Bush’s troop buildup and Republicans girding for broad defections on their side.”
As the defense phase of Scooter Libby’s perjury trial begins, Vice President Cheney “is expected to make a historic appearance on the witness stand,” where he “may be forced to describe in uncomfortable detail how he directed the counteroffensive” against Joe Wilson.
“Two senior officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who opposed many questionable management and spending decisions by the agency’s former director are being moved to lower-ranking positions effective Thursday.”
U.S. Army units in Iraq and Afghanistan lack more than 4,000 of the latest advanced Humvee armor kits, designed to reduce U.S. troop deaths from roadside bombs that are now inflicting 70 percent of the American casualties in Iraq. The Army has is giving priority to troops in Baghdad, but the upgrade is not scheduled to be completed until this summer.
And finally: “The scars may have gone away but our memories haven’t: Yes it was one year ago yesterday that Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot his lawyer, Harry Whittington.” Even in Tasmania, where Cheney is scheduled to go fly-fishing this month, one resident wrote the newspaper, “PLEASE assure us that Dick Cheney is coming to Tasmania to fish and not to shoot.”
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Sounds like Dems want to tie the military’s hands behind their backs, after approving their invasion of Iraq. Seems like the last person you want in a foxhole with you is a liberal, because they will shoot you so that they can surrender peacefully.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:14 amLt. Gen. Karl Eikenberry, who commanded U.S. forces in Afghanistan for 21 months, said, “The intelligence has gone cold on Osama bin Laden.â€
Of course it’s gone cold….it’s gone as cold as his corpse.
Osama bin Laden has been dead for years.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:17 amTP, until you directly address our concerns regarding the trolls abuse of the terms of use, things might be very quiet around here for a while…
February 12th, 2007 at 9:17 amWhen will this madness end?
…and now Bushiva and L’il Dick want to visit the same kind of evil, misery and devastation on the Iranian people…
…who can stop Satan and his minions?
February 12th, 2007 at 9:18 amcomment deleted
February 12th, 2007 at 9:20 amSounds like Jason M. Hendler wants to tie the military’s hands behind their backs so they can be more easily blown apart in someone else’s civil war.
Sounds like Jason M. Hendler needs to be tied to a bomb and dropped onto an Iranian nuclear facility. Kill two birds with one stone.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:20 amLooks like the corporate militarists want to tie human hands behind their backs in front of a hole in the ground before they shoot them…..
February 12th, 2007 at 9:20 amif mccain is talking about the solomon article he’s right. solomon is a hack.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:21 amJason M Hendler sez:
No, it sounds more like they want to be damned sure they’re doing the right thing, after being duped by ginned-up intelligence regarding nonexistent WMDs.
Well, you’ll never have to worry about that, Jason, since you obviously lack the courage to put yourself in a foxhole in the first place.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:22 amAs spoken by Patrick Fitzgerald:
“Mr. Cheney, are you actually in the employ of Mr. David Rockefeller, directly under George HW Bush?”
“Was 9/11 and all that has followed just part of Mr. Rockefeller’s Globalist agenda?”
“Since our invasion of Afghanistan, which was clearly planned well in advance of 9/11, the oil barrons have managed to secure their pipeline, and George HW Bush and his CIA are enjoying record opium production. Are we to believe that these are all just happy coincidences?”
“The day prior to 9/11, Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to announce that his Comptroller, Dov Zakheim, had somehow lost track of some $2.3 TRILLION in DOD funds. Can you tell us whether those funds have been utilized to implement a military coup, the pretext for which occured the very next day, on 9/11 2001?”
“Mr. Cheney, what can you tell us about the SWIFT LUCK GREENS CONCENTRATION CAMP which was built by your former company, Halliburton, in your home state, Wyoming, adjacent to the Seminoe Reservoir south of Casper at these coordinates -
Latitude: 41.92
Longitude: -106.521944
Isn’t this part of the civilian inmate labor program, in concert with DHS and the Army?”
February 12th, 2007 at 9:22 amlast person you want in a foxhole with you is a liberal, because they will shoot you so that they can surrender peacefully.
Comment by Jason Misogynist Hendler — February 12, 2007 @ 9:14 am
so sayeth the 39 (possibly now 40) year old virgin who is too chicken shit to serve the cause!
Care to back up any of your post?
Or shall you retreat into your parent’s basement, as usual?
You brought the attack, now show some integrity (ie balls) and fight!
Back this statement up, Mr Ivy Leaguer: Sounds like Dems want to tie the military’s hands behind their backs, after approving their invasion of Iraq.
Or are you too afraid, as per most of your posts?
February 12th, 2007 at 9:24 amTP can you do something about the racist attack on post #5?
February 12th, 2007 at 9:26 amTROLL WARNING:
I’m in a very combative, no nonsense mood today! So I say “BRING IT!!!”
February 12th, 2007 at 9:28 amWHEN IS TP GOING TO CLEAN UP THE CRAP
IN THE LAST SEVERAL THREADS ?!?
can’t believe it’s still there this morning…
February 12th, 2007 at 9:33 am“Three days of intense debate over the Iraq war begins in the House today, with Democrats planning to propose a narrowly worded rebuke of President Bush’s troop buildup and Republicans girding for broad defections on their side.â€
Could they put this much effort into a binding agreement instead?
February 12th, 2007 at 9:34 am#12
February 12th, 2007 at 9:34 amHey, hacker bob. TP will do nothing, as per their method regarding rachel troll over the weekend.
As for the racist attack: Tho I don’t condone it, sometimes you do fight fire with fire, as JMH has been shown to not only be a woman hater, but a bigoted fella as well.
Comment by DRxJ
I agree to a point. But as I have said before, it is hard to get rid of racism if you use racist remarks. The fire may have been directed at a single target, but there are those of us that get caught in the crossfire.
And yes, I would (and have) admonished JMH for sexist remarks in the past.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:40 am#1 JMH
Seems like the last person you want in a foxhole with you is a liberal, because they will shoot you so that they can surrender peacefully.
Seems like you wouldn’t know what the f*ck you’re talking about when it comes to foxholes, combat, or the political leanings of the people who have been there. Stick to a topic that you know something about.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:41 amAppreciating the concern the citizens of Tasmania have regarding Darth Deadeye’s fishing trip, I’m suggesting they check his fly box for depleted uranium weighted trout flies…
February 12th, 2007 at 9:41 amI myself am more concerned about the timing of this trip, and how it coincides with a subpeoned court appearance…..
on second thought, if he wants to skip the country, that could be good news….
oh, wait, that would mean Dubious would be in charge………
……..never mind………………
#15…. H-bob…
February 12th, 2007 at 9:42 amI wholeheartedly agree.
“TP can you do something about the racist attack on post #5?”
Hey Hacker Bob, he said “Cracker” not “Hacker”.
Here’s the origin of the term:
[Origin: 1400–50; late ME craker. See crack, -er1; perh. orig. in sense “braggart,†applied to frontiersmen of the southern American colonies in the 1760s, though subsequently given other interpretations (cf. corn-cracker); for crackers crazy, cf. cracked, -ers]
Note nothing racial in the origin, although admittedly often used specifically against Southern whites man (see also redneck, redneck crackerboy, etc).
However, I think the phrase “inbread Bushite Cracker traitor” is quite specific to Jason and therefore non-racial in any reasonable interpretation.
Now, let’s see if I can find me some bullets….
February 12th, 2007 at 9:43 am#1 JMH
Seems like the White House wants to tie Congress’ hands behind its back so the president can continue to break the law, invade countries whenever the urge hits him, and get away with murder.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:44 amRead this:
February 12th, 2007 at 9:44 amThree days of intense debate over the Iraq war begins in the House today
Followed by this:
two car bombs…tore through a crowded marketplace, setting off dozens of secondary explosions and killing at least 71 people.â€
and this:
insurgents had adopted new tactics and stepped up their efforts to shoot down American helicopters. Simmons acknowledged the unreported downing of a Black Hawk late last month, and revealed that enemy fire had hit at least 17 U.S. helicopters a month in Iraq.
It is time for the complacency to end! Provide a strategy with acceptable goals, or GTFO!!!
Comment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 9:34 am
Certainly they could. It’s called a bill, which would then have to be signed by the War-Time President in order to become law. What do you think are the odds of that happening?
Assuming Bush vetoes the bill, is it likely it would receive a 2/3 vote of both Houses to override? Hell, the Republicans in the Senate were able to filibuster even having a debate on a non-binding resolution.
Meanwhile, your comrades in arms are getting blown up and/or shot to death. How many of your fellow soldiers have died while Republicans block debate on this War?
February 12th, 2007 at 9:50 am… Well, you’ll never have to worry about that, Jason, since you obviously lack the courage to put yourself in a foxhole in the first place.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
How many times has this tired argument been used? If someone supports the war you libs require them to be in it, otherwise they’re cowards. I hate to break it to, but many of us who you call cowards have served in the military. If you libs want peace so badly, why don’t you lay down in front of a tank, or go to Iraq and stand between US forces and the insurgents? Until you’re willing to do that, your nothing but a bunch of cowards giving lip service to the cause of peace.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:52 amSounds like Dems want to tie the military’s hands behind their backs, after approving their invasion of Iraq. Seems like the last person you want in a foxhole with you is a liberal, because they will shoot you so that they can surrender peacefully.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 12, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Jason, they’ve never supported the troops. They’re worried about fulfilling their own agenda. I’ve stated before that they couldn’t understand that a tyrant had to be removed before he became a nuisance to the U.S. and other western countries. We’ve had diplomatic conversations with this individual for decades, and he made the decision to continue to mistreat citizens, build Weapons of Mass Destruction and aid terrorism. Liberals will never understand. We also have a situation in Iran where they’re funding and aiding terrorism. They’re killng are soldiers, but Dems imply that we must have diplomatic talks with the Prime Minister. If they’re willing to aid terrorism, I have a hard time believing that they’re conducting nuclear testing for energy purposes. Dems, you will be responsible for the next domestic terrorist attack.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:52 amComment by gorn
American Heritage Dictionary
Offensive
a. Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.
b. Used as a disparaging term for a white person.
Thank you TP admin for your rapid response.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:54 amMcCain is trying to match Hillary’s dollar fo dollar…..he is trying hard..forget the days of the ‘maverick’….and enjoy the days of ‘the financiers,soft money or not ..makes no difference.
McCain will please anybody these days to become president from righ to left
and in between, from Lieberman to Falwell.
He was calling himself the father of elections’ campaign reform…Now he wants the reformed dollars in advance…Hillary seems to be ahead in the game….at least this game,’the money collecting game’. Also Hillary made it clear that she is in it to win it.
It will fun to watch from now on what these two will be talking about….and when you add ‘Rudy’ to the mix….it will be fun to watch as the battle already begun.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:54 amComment by Briseadh na Faire
I am also against the Republicans blocking depate on this issue. This needs to be the #1 issue on Congresses plate.
Just my opinion.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:00 amDaryll…
February 12th, 2007 at 10:00 amstick to subjects you are familiar with. Please.
Used as a disparaging term for a poor white person of the rural, especially southeast United States.
well, here ya go! JMH has proclaimed he is exorbanetly wealthy, thus does not fit the poor category, thus it was not a directed racial remark!!!
(I’m kidding, of course)
February 12th, 2007 at 10:00 amDaryll,
So much for “thou shall not bear false witness” with your sweeping comment in 26. Tell me, why did Jesus not hook up with the Jewish Zealots of his time to remove the Roman Empire’s oppression of the Jews? Was he appeasing the Roman terrorists?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:02 am#15, Hacker Bob,
Dems want to first pass symbolic measures, gauge public sentiment, then build on those baby steps to then pass binding resolutions, and eventually impeach Bush.
They know they don’t have the votes for any binding resolutions, at least not until they build momentum on non-binding ones. Personally, I would not count my chickens on a non-binding vote, but Dems have to look like they are doing something.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:03 am“How many times has this tired argument been used? If someone supports the war you libs require them to be in it, otherwise they’re cowards.”
How many times have people like you casually tossed around the word “libs” and demeaned anyone who is against the war?
I have news for you. Many who you demean have served. Many who you call “libs” are not in fact liberals, but rather they find common cause with liberals because they have the wisdom to discern between raw cowboy bravado and sensible foreign policy. They find common cause because they can actually ascertain the fact that this war is based on lies, distortions, and incredibly bad planning, that there is no meaningful definition of victory and no exit strategy, and that it is causing far more damage to the region, our country, our ideals, and our goals than any imaginable benefit.
Hendler’s sophomoric trolling does nothing to further the cause of this great nation, nor does your simple-minded defense.
You are not representative of the vast majority of the people in this country. Sadly, you are perfectly representative of the chickenhawk simpletons who are running the executive branch.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:04 amDaryll,
So much for “thou shall not bear false witness†with your sweeping comment in 26. Tell me, why did Jesus not hook up with the Jewish Zealots of his time to remove the Roman Empire’s oppression of the Jews? Was he appeasing the Roman terrorists?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — February 12, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Think about it. Didn’t the Jews betray Jesus? Later on in the bible, he did count them worthy and considered them his chosen people.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:06 amHow many times has this tired argument been used?
Comment by never20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Enough to get under your skin! Mission accomplished, I must say!!!
If someone supports the war you libs require them to be in it, otherwise they’re cowards. I hate to break it to, but many of us who you call cowards have served in the military.
No, I personally require anyone that is gung ho about this illegal war to serve, plan and simple.
I noticed you said “many of us” and not “me”, so we can safely assume you have not or will not serve
chickenhawk
By the way, why don’t you ask hackerbob, who has bravely served, if I ever…EVER called him a coward.
If you libs want peace so badly, why don’t you lay down in front of a tank, or go to Iraq and stand between US forces and the insurgents?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:07 amAgain, I personally don’t want peace (thats between the Shiites and Sunnis). I want our troops home, safely, NOW!
Until you’re willing to do that, your nothing but a bunch of cowards giving lip service to the cause of peace.
Ohhhh, big tough man calling us cowards from the safety of his parent’s computer! Hmmmmm, I guess we have different definitions of cowardly, eh?
By the by, what have you done for the troops last week? Just askin’!
#15, Hacker Bob,
Dems want to first pass symbolic measures, gauge public sentiment, then build on those baby steps to then pass binding resolutions, and eventually impeach Bush.
They know they don’t have the votes for any binding resolutions, at least not until they build momentum on non-binding ones. Personally, I would not count my chickens on a non-binding vote, but Dems have to look like they are doing something.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 12, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Of course, the first 100 hours was a complete waste of time.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:08 amDems want to first pass symbolic measures, gauge public sentiment, then build on those baby steps to then pass binding resolutions, and eventually impeach Bush.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
I think public sentiment is pretty well known at this point. I think the #1 thing that could save Bush from impeachment would be either a withdrawl or at least defined goals and a realistic timeline for withdrawl.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:11 amDems, you will be responsible for the next domestic terrorist attack.
Comment by Saint Daryll — February 12, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Good, at least you got your talking points down pat!
Blame Clinton for the past
Blame Clinton for the present
Blame Clinton for the future
Man, I wish I was robot so that I wouldn’t actually have to think on my own!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:14 amWe implore thee Daryll to leave wordly affairs to those whose task such has been assigned.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:15 amSeperate thineself from secular concerns and return to the work thou art best suited for.
P.S. my ‘lord’ misses you, too
never20wordsorless
DrxJ has never called me a coward or “ran down” our Armed forces in any way that I am aware of.
I am serving now. I have 2 tours under my belt. How about you never20wordsorless.
And DrxJ brings up a point. What have you done for the troops lately? I can give a few websites where you can send support in the form of care packages, if you like.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:15 amAbsurd. Are terms like redneck, bumpkin, yokel, trailer trash, etc., also to be banned because they invariably are associated with southern white people? What about neocon, fascist, white supremacist? You know, these terms are almost always associated with whites too. Let’s ban them.
The world is falling apart around us thanks to these (fill-in-the-blank) people, and you’re more worried about politically correct adjectives than confronting them?
If we had been more confrontational 4 years ago, we might not have the mess we have today.
I mean, my original response was meant tongue-in-cheek, but the fact that TP actually took action while the rest of this site if full of troll manure (and while perfectly harmless posts get deleted presumably due to flawed technology), really is an absurdity.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:16 amDaryll
Later on in the bible! This happened early in the Bible. Is your Biblical history that poor! Further, you never answered my question. The Zealots thought Jesus betrayed them, because he did not advocate fighting the Romans. Why, Jesus even healed the servant of a Roman centurion, praising the man who was an enemy of the Jews. So, was the peacenik Jesus not supportive of the Zealot troops, his fellow Jews, and, thereby, aiding the terrorism of the Romans?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:16 am… Hendler’s sophomoric trolling does nothing to further the cause of this great nation, nor does your simple-minded defense.
You are not representative of the vast majority of the people in this country. Sadly, you are perfectly representative of the chickenhawk simpletons who are running the executive branch.
Comment by gorn
How typical of you libs to think yourselves smarter than everyone else. Your hatred for Bush has surmounted your ability to reasonably listen to any opposing argument. The sloganeering Dems say that they would have done it smarter and better, yet their only suggestion is to withdrawl. They believe that simply by the virtue of who they are, it would be a different world. It appears that you’re gullible enough to believe that.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:19 am“Think about it. Didn’t the Jews betray Jesus? Later on in the bible, he did count them worthy and considered them his chosen people.” – Darryl
Really? That was quite a trick considering HE WAS ALREADY DEAD!
Not to mention the minor fact that Jesus himself was a Jew. Duh.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:20 amMr. Robert Hacker, can you give a vote of agreement or non-agreement on comment #34 by Gorn?
my peoples: most dems like republicans are just as interested inthe strategic and energy resources within their grasp in Iraq; until there is continued massive public outcry (which seems to be building) they (ie both parties) are going to try to find a way to stay in Iraq.
your tax dollars have and are being used for very large permanent bases…
Watada in ‘08!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:22 am20wordsorless sez:
Almost as many times as the neocons’ ‘libs are cowards’ argument.
You got it, dolt. Put your money where your mouth is and go to Iraq. You want to demand that your fellow citizens risk their lives every day to support your policies of imperialistic aggression, fine…at least have the courage to do yourself what you ask of others.
Right back at you, dolt. Right back at you.
Well, it’s early, but I’m betting right now that that’s the most stupid thing I’m going to read today.
With this keen grasp of tactics, perhaps it’s better for everyone that you’re too cowardly to serve your country in Iraq.
Cowards, huh?
We’re the ones who are speaking out against this tin-pot dictator and his cabal oif murderous thieves who have taken our country hostage. We’re the ones who are going on record as saying the Emperor has no clothes…not just here, in venues like this, but in person as well, in demonstrations and marches across the country. Just recently, in the end of January, 500,000 patriots marched in D.C. alone.
You, on the other hand, spend all your time and effort attempting to validate this administration’s murderous policies, shrilly accusing anyone courageous enough to think for themselves as ‘cowards’ and ‘traitors’. You’re the one who demands that we continue a disastrous occupation that claims more lives daily, while you sit safely at home behind your keyboard, sharing in none of the risk.
Who’s the coward again?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:22 amComment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — February 12, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Great PLC, I think you just shorted Saint Daryll’s interior wiring!
Ouch, that’s gonna leave a mark.
Word of advice, St.Daryll, when actually referencing the Bible, you may want to, umm you know, read and understand it, before going against PLC, because she’s quite knowledgible in that area, unlike certain pseudo-christians around here!
(whistling, and rolling my eyes)
February 12th, 2007 at 10:23 am45
but gorn, he had RISEN!
(sarcasm)
February 12th, 2007 at 10:24 amComment by gorn
#42, an equal standard must be applied. I would feel the same for someone using derogatory terms against blacks, latinos, asians, gays, arabs, etc.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:25 am44 20words
i’m not a democrat, but supported voting them into congress to get us out of Iraq (as did the other 70% of americans)
and if they don’t, then we will vote others into congress, as prez.; march, write, etc. until we’re out of Iraq and pay them reparations
February 12th, 2007 at 10:28 amMr. Robert Hacker, can you give a vote of agreement or non-agreement on comment #34 by Gorn?
Comment by karlX
I am not sure what you are asking.
Yes there are many that do not support the war in Iraq that are not liberal. Yes there are many that are liberal that have served.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:29 amI can give a few websites where you can send support in the form of care packages, if you like.
Comment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 10:15 am
speaking of which… i’m curious about your opinion of IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN VETERANS of AMERICA… http://iava.org/
February 12th, 2007 at 10:32 ampaul rieckhoff is a great speaker, very knowledgeable…
DRxJ
Thanks for the compliment. For information purposes, I am male but I don’t find it at all insulting to be referred to as “she”.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:33 am20 WOL,
Are you going to answer my question in post #41? After all, I am one of the troops. You are supposed to be supporting me here.
Or is your tongue caught by the rhetoric?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:33 am20wordsorless:
“How typical of you libs”
How typical of you (whatevers) to throw around an attempted pejorative like “libs”, ironically a point I just made in this thread. Here’s a clue for you: I’m not a “lib” or a liberal, by any definition. Your hatred for opposing viewpoints leads you to categorize nonsensically.
“to think yourselves smarter than everyone else.”
No, but I am clearly smarter than Bush apologists and neocons who are perpetually and demonstrably wrong about almost everything.
“The sloganeering Dems”
February 12th, 2007 at 10:36 amOh, this is just too much. ROTFL. First of all, I’m not a Dem. Second, there is no larger bunch of transparent juvenile sloganeers than the Bush apologists. “Flip flop” “Waffle” “Cut and Run” “Emboldening the Enemy” “Activist Judges” and on and on.
Comment by katy
I think that iava is a good group tht does loads of good things for returning and injured troops.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:38 am#42
February 12th, 2007 at 10:38 ami take gorn’s side on this, yes, certainly such stuff should be monitored, but there is alot, alot of much more offensive stuff, like the child porn crap, and organ donors ridiculous comments about “meat hooking palestinian children”, that’s really, really offensive (to everyone)
Well goodday all.
Looks like the Rachel had a great time frustrating folks over the weekend.
And to think I got sh*t from somone about giving Rachel sh*t a couple weeks ago. And the someone thought Rachel had meaningful contributions. I knew better.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:39 am#54
PLC
Yikes! for some idiotic reasoning (on my part), when I first started posting here, I thought you had stated you were female (I guess I should read the posts more thoroughly, eh?)
My apologies (and now I have to wipe your past image from my brain)
and I still think you’re intelligent, especially when it comes to Christianity (and yes, that was a slam on us males!!!)
February 12th, 2007 at 10:40 am52 bob
February 12th, 2007 at 10:42 amyeah, i just wanted that out there for the local trolls to hear, thanks.
Comment by karlX
I agree about the child porn stuff being the most vile things posted on here. It is beyond me why those things are NEVER deleted. EVERYONE has asked TP to pull them.
My point is that while it may seem small and trivial, if we do not correct the small wrongs, then we have no business addressing the big ones. If someone is not challenged when they post anti-white or anti-jewish statements, then we have no right to complain when someone posts anti-black, anti-latino, anti-gay statements.
Whoever said “Don’t sweat the small stuff” has never been bitten in the a$$ by the “Small stuff”
February 12th, 2007 at 10:44 amSo Johnny, shoot from the lip McCain thinks this is as bad as the swiftboating he got over his fathering a black child?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:45 amThe man has no shame!
hacker bob “equal standards”
I agree in principle, of course. I happen to have a (minor) disagreement with the level of racial overtones in contrast to, say, the infamous n-word. Cracker has far more connotation of “witless inbred rube” than any racial connection, at least in my mind. But be that as it may, what I mostly disagree with is this rising to the level of TP action when there are so many other higher priority problems for TP admin to deal with.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:46 amThe Washington Post noted that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has called on big soft money donors to bankroll his expected presidential campaign, despite the fact that he has personally campaigned against the use of “soft money.†McCain called the Post article the “worst hit job that has ever been done in my entire political career.â€
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It appears that McCain’s memory is failing…because this is nothing compared to the allegations that Bush and Co. made against McCain him during the 2000 Presidential campaign, particularly since none of those allegations had the slightest grain of truth to them. Now that was a hit job in every sense of the word…
February 12th, 2007 at 10:47 am#62 yes, i can agree generally with that comment; there is certainly grey area though.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:49 amI’ve been called a communist! What shame! (sarc.)
I will say this on the matter of serving. From the right we hear that this is a battle for our very existence, that they want to end our way of life. Yet somehow the right is not signing up in droves, not encouraging their young to sign up. Why is that? I mean if you believe our very existence is at stake, wouldn’t you try to preserve that existence and enlist in the fight? Are you lying about the gravity of the situation? Or are you really traitors who want our country to fall, therefore you stay away from what you say is the greatest threat to our nation? Either way they tend not to serve and the hardest recruiting place for the military is at college republican meetings. I live near three major (15,000 – 50,000 students) universities and my buddy who recruits laughed at me when I suggested that he hit the college republicans up. Tried that with zero success.
I will say that of all the debate out there I find that republicans seem to more closely mirror the thinking of Bin Laden than any other group. They claim continually that we were attacked because of our liberal lifestyle and our liberal culture which we export around the globe, and they like Bin Laden would like it to stop. Of course they always ignore what Bin Laden has said about our military presence in Saudi etc…because that does not fit in with their hateful agenda. And they actually give bin laden a stage to present his ideas and give legitimacy to what he has to say. Talk about traitorous.
I was thinking the other day what republicans hold for the people that support them. Most of their supporters are not in the upper tax brackets. Most of their supporters are not in the board rooms of our nation. Most of their supporters should at least see by now that the republican stance on social issues is merely that…A stance. And that after six years of lock step control of all three branches of government they did not pass anything addressing those social issues, yet they were able to pass laws on torture and degraded the constitution significantly during that time. They seem to not care that the republican leadership is only paying lip service to these issues and seemingly only at election time. They most certainly do not pass any legislation that in any way reflects Christ, yet they hold the Christian right in thrall (I tend to believe that this is because the Christian right’s big leaders tend to be very wealthy men who use their wealth power and position to sway the masses, and the wealthy leaders are the true financial gainers from republican policy) So I wonder what it is they hold for their supporters. To figure this out I try to think like my brother in law. He agrees with them on every issue and will not move from any of them even one inch, yet he has not benefited one bit from their policies. All I can come up with is that sure they don’t benefit me today, but one day I will be rich and then they will benefit me. A gay friend of mine who is ardently republican feels the same way. Anyone else have anything on what these people offer their rank and file?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:51 amYep thanks for deleting my posts, TP. I am not a troll and not a sh*t starter like rachel/scully/whateveritsnameistoday and my posts get deleted? sheesh…
February 12th, 2007 at 10:51 am… I noticed you said “many of us†and not “meâ€, so we can safely assume you have not or will not serve…
Comment by DRxJ
It’s never safe to assume—I was in the Air Force from 1984 to 1988. I fought the Cold War, you should thank me for my service.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:51 amI fought the Cold War
Comment by 20wordsofbull — February 12, 2007 @ 10:51 am
really? What battle of the Cold War did you partake in?
February 12th, 2007 at 10:56 amWas it the invasion of Grenada, the major battlefield that lead to the fall of the Berling Wall?
Or did you join the English Armada during the Argentina conflict?
Those mid eighties conflicts that lead to the end of communism always confuse me.
Again, which battle did you partake in?
20 WOL
OK, thank you for your service. Our country needs people like you who are willing and able to serve in the military. However, I don’t necessarily want them or you making policy for this country.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:57 amIt’s never safe to assume—I was in the Air Force from 1984 to 1988. I fought the Cold War, you should thank me for my service.
Comment by 20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 10:51 am
Here is hoping you got help for those hemeroids.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:58 am69
“I fought the cold war” Never20wordsorless
haaaaaaaaa, that is pure comic releif, i just laughed out loud and everyone at work looked over at me, funny, funny, stuff, keep it coming
February 12th, 2007 at 10:59 am#70
February 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amtyping way too fast.
Make that the Berlin Wall (noun), not Berling (adjective) Wall!
D’oh!
Cowards, huh?
We’re the ones who are speaking out against this tin-pot dictator and his cabal oif murderous thieves who have taken our country hostage. We’re the ones who are going on record as saying the Emperor has no clothes…not just here, in venues like this, but in person as well, in demonstrations and marches across the country. Just recently, in the end of January, 500,000 patriots marched in D.C. alone.
You, on the other hand, spend all your time and effort attempting to validate this administration’s murderous policies, shrilly accusing anyone courageous enough to think for themselves as ‘cowards’ and ‘traitors’. You’re the one who demands that we continue a disastrous occupation that claims more lives daily, while you sit safely at home behind your keyboard, sharing in none of the risk.
Who’s the coward again?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Boy, you are a deluded piece of garbage. I can only shake my head at your misguided rant. 500,000 people marching are your example of being courageous? And you call them patriots? What a tool!
February 12th, 2007 at 10:59 amyou should thank me for my service.
Comment by 20wordsofbull — February 12, 2007 @ 10:51 am
No, you should thank hackerbob for his service! As you’re still old enough to serve, have at it, Mr. Cold War Veteran.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:01 am“I fought the cold war†and those government issued long johns are NOT comfortable!
February 12th, 2007 at 11:03 amBoy, you are a deluded piece of garbage. I can only shake my head at your misguided rant. 500,000 people marching are your example of being courageous? And you call them patriots? What a tool!
Comment by 20wordsofbull— February 12, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Great debate skills. Way to refute what TripMaster said. You, my Cold War Veteran, are the true defender of the right! Dead Eye Dick should be so proud
February 12th, 2007 at 11:04 am… Again, which battle did you partake in?
Comment by DRxJ
I fought the Willy war—short for Williams Air Force Bace, located near Phoenix Arizona. It was hell—125 plus degrees on the flight line during the summer, putting student pilots in training aircraft all day long. I felt like I was operating a ride at Disneyland. I can still hear the high pitched whine of those J-69 engines on the T-37…
February 12th, 2007 at 11:04 amIn my recent musings I’ve thought how different it would be if the President of the United States wanted to attack someone militarily that, as Commander In Chief, he or she actually had to suit up and lead the charge, leaving the Vice President in charge domestically.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:08 amAgain, which battle did you partake in?
Comment by DRxJ
LMAO!!! Terrific post.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:08 amNo, you should thank hackerbob for his service! As you’re still old enough to serve, have at it, Mr. Cold War Veteran.
Comment by DRxJ
I think I’m too old, I’ll be 47 soon. I have a wife and a family. The cut in pay alone would be devastating to my family. Besides, if I had to go back in I would go into the Air Force again. My expertise is aircraft related, and I could make the biggest contribution in that field. I’m sure that doesn’t qualify in your book.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:10 amNo need to thank me. I enjoy what I do.
20WOL, was there a National Defense Ribbon issued for the “Cold War”?
You are confusing conflict with politics. The “Cold War” was not a war.
But thanks for your service.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:10 amFunny how the Republican trolls on this page continually try to claim liberals don’t support the troops. The Repubs are the ones who sent the troops to a war for the past four years, with no end in sight, and STILL they are unable to provide the troops with the armor and equipment they need.
If Repubs claim to support the troops, then why haven’t they fixed this in the past 4 years ?? Oh, right, they DID put ribbons on their cars. AND, they post inane comments on the web.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:10 amIt was hell—125 plus degrees on the flight line during the summer,
Comment by 20wordsofbull — February 12, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Well, great! You would be properly prepared to do other battles in the desert. Let’s say, ohhhhh….IRAQ!
February 12th, 2007 at 11:10 amLMAO!!! Terrific post.
Comment by Juan C
Shut up Juan, no one ever knows what you’re talking about.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:12 am20wordsorless sez:
I’m not familiar with that war. With whom did we fight? When was this war declared? How long did it last?
Oh, I see…you fought a “war”…how quaint.
Wow…just like Iraq…except that the soldiers in Iraq also have to worry about being shot or blown up.
And you were in about as much danger, too.
Clearly, you’re suffering from PTSD as a result of your harrowing experiences in the “Willy War”. I only wish I could see you whine to an actual war veteran about your grueling ordeal…and watch him lay you out for disrespecting our troops.
God, you’re pathetic.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:14 am20wordsorless sez:
Many of us do, dolt…but then again, we can also walk without assistance from our knuckles.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:16 amShut up Juan, no one ever knows what you’re talking about.
Comment by 20wordsorless
Hey, dont come “cold war” on me, buddy.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:16 am20words
the reason you are ridiculed here is that you have no ability to criticize your “leader”; your complete deference to authority; declaring people “unpatriotic” because they protest (and the list goes on). As so many here are just “you libs”, you will hear them criticize and question continually the “left”, middle and right. You really just reiterate what those in power tell you to think. It’s okay to step out for a second into the bright light of critical thinking or at least questioning authority – just once in awhile – even if they are the Great Leaders of your Party and Nation (gasp!).
February 12th, 2007 at 11:18 am20wol.
Those high decibels damaged your brain if you think throwing bombs over civilians is patriotic.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:18 amYou are confusing conflict with politics. The “Cold War†was not a war.
But thanks for your service.
Comment by hacker bob
I was being facetious—attempting to make my military service sound greater than it was :)
February 12th, 2007 at 11:21 amI think I’m too old, I’ll be 47 soon
Comment by 20wordsofbull — February 12, 2007 @ 11:10 am
so you served in the AirForce from age 25 to 29? What did you do from 18 to 25?
February 12th, 2007 at 11:21 amJust curious…
The whole “I can still hear the whine…” yeah right. It would be more likely you have a hearing deficiency in certain ranges from the noise of of the flight line, like my brother who actually did serve.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:22 amI was fortuneate enough to fly a T37 simulator. It was fun, way back in high school, way before 9/11.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:22 amToday in our country there are more people who claim to have served than you can shake a stick at. Way back in WWII there were maybe 13 – 15 million who served and that was during our time of greatest need. That represented roughly 10% of the population of our country. Yet here we are today during the era of the all volunteer military and it seems as though a far greater percentage of our population is either serving or has served. Something does not add up correctly. But if you call someone on it, you get accused of hating the troops or some other bullshit rhetoric. It’s why I neither compliment thank condemn or condone and claims of past service. Even when attempting to use code to determine the authenticity of the claims it is hard to verify as almost every thing is available on the internet in some way shape or form. For instance if I say I was a 19D, that is easily looked up I could make that up easily. Or if I say my main post of duty was at the duck hunter school an army guy might know that (marine too as they train their duck hunters there too), but again that is available somewhere on the internet as is probably a description of agony and misery (hills) or Holder complex, Dona Ana range, Wildflicken, Permisaince (sp?), the Brave Rifles etc… Ultimately this stuff is so easily available on the web, that one can create their own persona and possibly be quite convincing in the process. So ion the long run I take no claims of service seriously, nor do I dismiss them easily either.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:23 amI was being facetious—attempting to make my military service sound greater than it was :)
Comment by 20wordsorless
At least you admit that much.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:23 am“Shut up Juan, no one ever knows what you’re talking about.”
On the contrary, he’s one of those rare contributors who consistently makes sense.
As opposed to, say, the following drivel:
As if it doesn’t take courage to take a public stand against a paranoid regime with dictatorial tendencies, and it isn’t patriotic to take a public stance in defense of our Constitution. Wow. In your view, courage means withstanding Arizone heat while loading other people into airplanes for peacetime exercises, and patriotism means saluting your superior officer.
What a tool, indeed.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:24 amNo need to thank me. I enjoy what I do.
Comment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 11:10 am
but you deserve thanks, and will be given thanks, at every opportunity for your service.
Thank you!!!
February 12th, 2007 at 11:24 amOn the contrary, he’s one of those rare contributors who consistently makes sense.
Comment by gorn
Really? ;)
February 12th, 2007 at 11:28 am20wordsorless
It’s really simple. The people who sign the papers and agree to serve their country in whatever way and whatever location they’re called upon to do it, should have a reasonable expectation that the person making the decision about how and where they’re going to serve actually gives a shit about their lives and won’t throw them into a firefight without good reason. While in uniform, they’re not supposed to question the orders. That leaves it up to the people back home who care about them to question the orders.
Bush and Cheney have a track record of nearly constant lying about the reasons they sent troops into Iraq. To this day, we still haven’t gotten a satisfactory explanation for their decision, which was made long before 9/11, to invade Iraq. We can guess about their motives and probably guess right. But, until they come clean, nobody should believe a damn thing they say.
It’s lunacy to put any trust in what they say.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:30 amDitto. Thank you, Hacker Bob.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:31 amactaully juan is a communist traitor, planning venezula’s take over of the lower 48 via ground assualt from mexico, run!
sorry juan, i couldnt resist
(by the way i agree with Gorn comment #98)
February 12th, 2007 at 11:31 am“Really?” – Juan C
Es verdad, amigo.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:33 amMake you a deal, I’ll trade with you. Try 125 plus, Shamals (wind/sand storms) that make you feel like you are being sand blasted while standing in an oven. 7000 miles away from home and family, crappy food (ok, it wasn’t too crappy), living out of a seabag, wearing 60 pounds of protective gear to take a pi$$, and that stuff falling out of the sky ain’t rain, it’s 122mm rockets or 88mm mortars. Leasurly Sunday drives that involved the road blowing up in front of you, or beside you. Add a local populace that can not stand you (for the most part).
Personally, I’ll take putting flight students into a T-37 anyday.
Comment by hacker bob
Again hacker bob, I was being facetious. I know I had an easy tour of duty. I take my hat off too you for your service.
So, what have you done for the troops lately?
I support their commander in chief. Aside from that I’m one of roughly 30 other people in my church who support two single parent families. We provide most of their food, clothing, school supplies, and home furnishings. I help with a lot of home repairs as well. Occasionally I lend a hand to a ministry that reaches out to the migrant workers in my area. I work full time and have a family. Sorry, but I just don’t have the time or the resources to do more.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:34 amactaully juan is a communist traitor, planning venezula’s take over of the lower 48 via ground assualt from mexico, run!
Comment by karlX
I cant. I dont work in the CIA. Heh. :)
Off topic:
Who wants to bet hacker bob becomes a lib soon?
February 12th, 2007 at 11:34 am20WOL
What would it take for you to discontinue your support of the Commander In Chief and be critical instead?
February 12th, 2007 at 11:37 amwho support two single parent families. We provide most of their food, clothing, school supplies, and home furnishings. I help with a lot of home repairs as well.
Comment by 20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 11:34 am
This will not go unnoticed. Good for you 20wol. Very good Christian values.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:37 amNow for calling us cowards, idiots, liars. etc, not very good Christian values.
Just saying…..
gorn.
¿Hablas español? (Speak spanish?)
Gracias.
Hey, karlx.
Buon giorno, ragazzo. Come stai?
Sorry, but I just don’t have the time or the resources to do more.
Comment by 20wordsorless
See? You are a nice guy deep inside. Im sorry you cant think critically towards authority.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:38 amWho wants to bet hacker bob becomes a lib soon? Comment by Juan C
Or at least a progressive Republican.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:38 ambob, do you support your commander in chief?
February 12th, 2007 at 11:38 am“I support their commander in chief.”
You support a cheerleader frat boy who never served (unless you count the years he “protected” Alabama from the Vietcong and even that’s questionable if he showed up) who’s also been lying about everything regarding this war?!
Tell us something, did you admire and kiss the arse of the Commander in Chief when it was Bill Clinton? I know I sure didn’t …and I certainly can’t stand the chimp in chief we have now. Bush the lesser is a disgrace to the uniform.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:43 amDaryll, there is no such thing as god – he told me to tell you that.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:44 amThey erased my message! I guess i can’t tell some baseless troll like 20 to shut up because Juan some of the most intellligent, compassionate, and balanced posts here. Sure let the R/A/??? post crap, but mine gets deleted? WTF?
February 12th, 2007 at 11:45 am20 words
I liked the personal bio. Brings some civilty back to our discussions. Sounds like you are doing good things for people who are in need. I’d echo Juan’s comment and specify that SUpporting the Commander in chief may not be the best thing for the troops… just a thought to ponder.
Juan
February 12th, 2007 at 11:46 amParli anche italiano!? madona mia, sei proprio un uomo di quanti linguagi? puo essere che vieni da argentina dove ci sono tanti italiani? hai parenti italiani? Comunque, sto bene, con rafredore. Tu?
viva la revolucion!
The commander and chief is a pretty transient figure. I support, that the US does the right thing in domestically and internationally. I am sorry if that doesn’t fit. I don’t think that the best way to combat the threat of international terrorism, is to inflame the very people we need to convince not to hate us.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:47 amJuan C: “¿Hablas español?”
¡Solamente si usted mecanografÃa muy lentamente!
February 12th, 2007 at 11:49 amUsing that logic, 20 Words, my brother-in-law must be a lib traitor, even though he served proudly in Persian Gulf I: The One We Won. George Bush 2 has turned my conservative brother-in-law into a NeoProg and a democratic voter.
His opinion is that Bush II foolishly tried to occupy a country already defeated in Persian Gulf I and now he’s trying to win someone else’s civil war. He makes some good points that Bush the lesser should have just stuck with sanctions (that were working) and strategic, surgical strikes.
But now we’re playing into our enemies hands, tricked into fighting a civil war by proxy between Iran and Saudi Arabia, you know, the place where 99% of the 911 hijakers originated. We’re not only bleeding our armies, spreading them thin, we’re also showing the world some of our tactics.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:50 amwait, wait, 20 words is a good man with problems of deference to authority and right wing brainwashing… maybe a nice quiet talk with Bob of the clan McHack can get him on the road to critical thinking…
i like the sound of that, Bob: Progressive Republican.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:50 amComment by karlX
I understand italian…more or less. I took a course back in college, 8 years ago, but I cant speak it, just some words.
Per essempio, Il mio cognome é italiano, Torchia. Tutto bene qui ma devo fare cosi nella universitá. (Was that correct?) I would love to study it more.
Hey, do me a favor and recommend me some book about left history in modern europe. Could you?
See you, later. And, of course, ¡Hasta la victoria, siempre!
February 12th, 2007 at 11:57 am#1 – -Yeah Jason – those damn democrats only gave them more money than it took to fight VIet Nam, and more time than it took to win WWII….that’s just not fair is it???? Ya big whiny diaper-baby.
February 12th, 2007 at 11:59 am¡Solamente si usted mecanografÃa muy lentamente!
Comment by gorn
En nombre de toda la gente que hablamos español, le doy las gracias por aprenderlo. Es realmente emocionante que personas con otro idioma, aprendan español.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI believe our troops are required to carry out all lawful orders. They are not required to carry out unlawful orders, in fact are forbidden to do so. (As I type this, I’m sitting in a hotel in Nuremburg, adding a certain sense of history to my post…)
US soldiers are sworn to follow the Commander in Chief. The Commander in Chief in turn is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. When the Commander in Chief violates his oath by brazenly attacking the Constitution at every turn, I must call into question the requirement of the military to follow his orders.
The military exists not to defend George Bush, but to defend our Constitution, and more importantly, what the Constitution represents: the American people. The US government is “of the people, by the people, and for the people”. The people are not “of the government, by the government, and for the government”. Those who lose sight of this fundamental principle endanger the freedoms and the future of our way of life.
Of course, one does not defy orders lightly. The time may yet come to do so. However, certainly voicing one’s individual opinions about government policy (if not specific orders) is a basic right of every American, soldier or not. In fact, more than a right, it is a patriotic duty.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:03 pmJuan
February 12th, 2007 at 12:05 pmparli been per aver studiato cosi poco, il mio cognome e rosequist e mio primo nome e andy; cosa fai tu in mexico? i’m case manager for the elderly (and what little time i have for myslef make art)
i’ll think about some good literature on the european left; do you want an easy read or something academic/text booky?
Now for calling us cowards, idiots, liars. etc, not very good Christian values.
Just saying…..
Comment by DRxJ
Thanks for noticing that I’m not perfect :)
February 12th, 2007 at 12:06 pmbob of hack:
do you support your commander in chief?
(you might have to answer this when your out of uniform at home)
February 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pmComment by Bluedahlia
Thank you very much, really.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:07 pm20WOL
What would it take for you to discontinue your support of the Commander In Chief and be critical instead?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
Don’t confuse support with blind allegiance. There are several things that I’m not too crazy about regarding our president, but I’d rather not discuss them here.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:09 pmComment by gorn #21
Thank you gorn…
…btw TP I wrote inbred “al Crackkker”…
…there’s NOTHING racial about that…
…Jason knows what he is…
…as do we all…
February 12th, 2007 at 12:09 pmSorry, posters, for this chit-chat. Im taking advantage of the ThinkFast thread.
do you want an easy read or something academic/text booky?
Comment by karlX
Whatever you think it will help me through. I live here since I was 8 or something. You know, dictatorships in Argentina (dad) and Chile (mom) were horrible times. Im finishing a Masters in Mech Engineering…thats why I have to go now! Ci vediamo dopo!
February 12th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“En nombre de toda la gente que hablamos español, le doy las gracias por aprenderlo. Es realmente emocionante que personas con otro idioma, aprendan español.” – Juan C
In turn, I find it humbling that someone of another native language not only follows the complex details of an English language political blog, but also makes wise and insightful commentary about its content. That cannot be very easy to do!
February 12th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI support their commander in chief. Aside from that I’m one of roughly 30 other people in my church who support two single parent families. We provide most of their food, clothing, school supplies, and home furnishings. I help with a lot of home repairs as well. Occasionally I lend a hand to a ministry that reaches out to the migrant workers in my area. I work full time and have a family. Sorry, but I just don’t have the time or the resources to do more.
Comment by 20wordsorless
In my opinion, these are true acts of patriotism. Thank you.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:12 pmDon’t confuse support with blind allegiance. There are several things that I’m not too crazy about regarding our president, but I’d rather not discuss them here.
Comment by 20wordsorless
Why not discuss it? And I’m asking specifically about the Commander In Chief not the president – should military personnel or civilians always “support” him or her, or are there limits? If there are limits, where do you draw them, without labeling the person criticizing and not supporting as anti-American, unpatriotic, or the like?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWho wants to bet hacker bob becomes a lib soon?
Comment by Juan C
NEVER!!!
progressive Republican.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC
Is that even possible? Won’t that rip a hole in the space/time continum?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:17 pmdo you support your commander in chief?
(you might have to answer this when your out of uniform at home)
Comment by karlX
I have sworn an oath to follow the orders of the officers appointed over me. That includes the CinC.
Yes, I know that only applies to legal orders. that is a different discussion….
February 12th, 2007 at 12:19 pm133. Aside from that I’m one of roughly 30 other people in my church who support two single parent families. We provide most of their food, clothing, school supplies, and home furnishings. I help with a lot of home repairs as well. Occasionally I lend a hand to a ministry that reaches out to the migrant workers in my area. I work full time and have a family. Sorry, but I just don’t have the time or the resources to do more.
Comment by 20wordsorless
In my opinion, these are true acts of patriotism. Thank you.
Comment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
really, patriotism? These sound to me like the acts of a world citizen, having little to do with what flag flies at the nearest city hall.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:20 pm20 WOL,
February 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI know of someone 61 years old who had been retired from the Army for 5 years who they attempted to reactivate because his unit had failed to remove him forom its rolls because it had failed to meet its targeted strength. At 47, you are like a spring chicken.
Won’t that rip a hole in the space/time continum? Comment by hacker bob
Perhaps that’s exactly what this country needs!
I’m not sure how such a designation would look in ideological terms. I really wish we would get past the labels and look at the philosophies anyway. I think what Juan C and I are suggesting is that there may be very little that divide the ideology that you have from that of many of us self-proclaimed liberals or progressives.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThese sound to me like the acts of a world citizen, having little to do with what flag flies at the nearest city hall.
Comment by karlX
Im clapping.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:23 pmreally, patriotism? These sound to me like the acts of a world citizen, having little to do with what flag flies at the nearest city hall.
Comment by karlX
B-I-N-G-0, spot on, absolutely, halleluia and amen!
February 12th, 2007 at 12:26 pm#134
Who wants to bet hacker bob becomes a lib soon?
Comment by Juan C
NEVER!!!
progressive Republican.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC
Is that even possible? Won’t that rip a hole in the space/time continum?
Comment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
I think what we’ve seen here is that a Republican, or no rather a “Conservative” such as Bob can in fact be progressive: sensitive to racial and sex inequality, supports publicly funded education (through college?), sees discourse and critical thinking as positive, is not a zealot of the right on abortion (at least i think, i didnt follow that recent thread too carefully), and Bob has even agreed to be “re-educated” by the green party as a solar panel instalation tech.! that definetly represents a less damaging form of “conservatism” in my eyes.
but will he agree to the dismanteling of the corporate military industrial complex?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:29 pmThat is called blind allegiance. If you won’t publically denounce the atrocities comitted by Bush, you are no better than the Nazis who would say anything about the Furher.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Sorry pal, you don’t get to make the rules about that. There are some things about Bush that I like, and not talking about the things I don’t like here at TP is not blind allegience—it’s called having some class. Why would I side with some of the most vile, angry, and hate-filled people on the planet? I’m not going to stoop to that level.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:35 pm20wordsorless: “It’s never safe to assume—I was in the Air Force from 1984 to 1988. I fought the Cold War, you should thank me for my service.”
Hey, that’s a good one. Listen, how many times during the years 84 to 88 were you under fire from the Soviets? None? Thanks for nothing, a-hole. At least some of us here have actually dodged bullets fired by communists in the 60’s and early 70’s. What did you do? Sit around on your big fat ass.
If you don’t take liberals’ opinions seriously, then get the f*ck over to the Iraq and Afganistan Veterans of America (IAVA) site and see what real veterans of this war have to say about it you f*cking Bush cultist.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:39 pmSorry pal, you don’t get to make the rules about that. There are some things about Bush that I like, and not talking about the things I don’t like here at TP is not blind allegience—it’s called having some class. Why would I side with some of the most vile, angry, and hate-filled people on the planet? I’m not going to stoop to that level
Comment by 20wordsorless
In other words, “needer, needer, nannie, nannie, boo, boo” and tongue stuck out.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:40 pm20words: “I’m not going to stoop to that level.”
You already did, shitheal. You want some hate? I’ll give you some hate. And, I’ll get down into the mud with you any day of the week, you stupid fascist. You called liberals cowards. Go f*ck yourself, cultist. I’m sick of unamerican fascist pigs like you.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:41 pm20WOL – you’re at this level – if it’s too low for you, by all means GO AWAY. It’s not like you’re going to change anyone’s mind, or even irritate anyone – you’re just plain wasting your time.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:41 pmalright guys, everyone have a good day, even you 20words: the troller who’s soul deep down inside has a little lefty just waiting to be free.
ciao
k
ps maybe TP should cahnge its name to The Re-education of Hacker Bob – blog for Progressives from Communists to Conservatives
February 12th, 2007 at 12:42 pmYou already do side with some of the most vile hate filled people on the planet. Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter represent the very hate you so often claim the left is filled with.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:42 pmComment by karlX
I only agreed to the reeducation if you throw in a margarita along wiht the Big Bird torture chamber. then it will remind me of every other Saturday night!
Not all conservatives are little green monsters.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhy would I side with some of the most vile, angry, and hate-filled people on the planet?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:44 pmComment by 20wordsofbull— February 12, 2007 @ 12:35 pm
Ahhhh, there’s the 20WOL we’ve grown to adore!
By the way, just for fun, go over to any right wing blog, pretend to be one of us nasty libs (it’s not hard, just show compassion, or better yet, copy one of my posts), and see what kind of response ya get.
Go ahead, if you wanna see true vile, angry, and hate-filled.
C’mon, I double dog dare ya!!!
#149
did rachel just show up?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“It’s called having some class. Why would I side with some of the most vile, angry, and hate-filled people on the planet? I’m not going to stoop to that level.”
Hmmm. “Vile”? “Hate-filled”? So much for having “class” and for not “stooping to that level”.
I would certainly agree with “angry”. I am angry, very angry, at the damage Bush has done and continues to do to this country, our allies, and our world. At the very least, you should be angry too at the lies, the deception, and the huge costs that will end up on the backs of your children.
You can voice an opinion about what is right, and even be in agreement on some issues with “libs” without becoming infected with some horrible disease. To suggest otherwise is to belie a vile and hate-filled attitude.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:48 pmI only agreed to the reeducation if you throw in a margarita.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:48 pmComment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
DONE!
You’re welcome at my house anytime for my famous (or should that be infamous) golden waborita, on the rocks!
Enjoy!
#136 Right on, Spudge.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:49 pmNot all conservatives are little green monsters.
Comment by hacker bob
But all little green monsters are conservatives.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by Barfly
Why do you hate little green monsters?
February 12th, 2007 at 12:57 pm#
Comment by karlX
I only agreed to the reeducation if you throw in a margarita along wiht the Big Bird torture chamber. then it will remind me of every other Saturday night!
Not all conservatives are little green monsters.
Comment by hacker bob — February 12, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
that’s funny. you did agree to a re-education (and it was not a torture chamber, it was a haliburton “interogation center”), i remember the comment said something about your “public education” not being up to snuff.
yes, you will be allowed your marghirita and a nice cuban cigar, as you officially apologize to the Cuban people for U.S. state sponsored terrorism.
christ, i gotta go. keep up the work on 20 words or less, he’s got potential, just like bob.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:59 pm#129 is a perfect example of a blind supporter. My brother in law is the same way. He will say that he does not blindly support Bush, and that there is plenty he is not pleased with. But he never comes up with anything that he is not pleased with. Or if he ever does, when pressed on the issue he will regurgitate the administrations talking points, yet he will maintain that he does not blindly support.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:59 pmHey, that’s a good one. Listen, how many times during the years 84 to 88 were you under fire from the Soviets? None? Thanks for nothing, a-hole. At least some of us here have actually dodged bullets fired by communists in the 60’s and early 70’s. What did you do? Sit around on your big fat ass.
If you don’t take liberals’ opinions seriously, then get the f*ck over to the Iraq and Afganistan Veterans of America (IAVA) site and see what real veterans of this war have to say about it you f*cking Bush cultist.
Comment by Bluedog49
Thanks for the lecture, but if you had followed the thread you wouldn’t have made such an ass out of yourself.
February 12th, 2007 at 12:59 pmHeh heh….20wordsorless was doing so well after his statement about helping poor families. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut, but I guess a trolll can’t keep from trollin’…
20wordsorless sez:
You’re right, dolt…Spudge doesn’t get to make the rules. Fortunately (for his side of the argument) he doesn’t have to.
Chimpy is directly responsible for war crimes perpetrated on his watch. If you don’t denounce him, you’re complicit. End of story.
List them, please.
If your view of social interaction is so warped that that’s what you call class, it sheds quite a bit of light on your behavior here.
Well, I’ll grant you one thing: we are angry. We’re angry because our beloved country has been hijacked by a gang of murderous thugs. We’re angry because that gang has dismantled the Constitution and instituted their own private fiefdom at our expense. We’re angry because that gang lied us into a disastrous, illegal, and immoral invasion and occupation, which costs lives (ally, enemy, and innocent) on a daily basis. We’re angry because that gang is now agitating for another war…one which will cost incalculably more lives. And we’re angry because people who are otherwise decent citizens are contributing to the problem by mindlessly echoing the calls for ‘patriotism’ and ’sacrifice’ that that gang of thugs uses every time someone dares to think for themselves in this country.
You’re damned straight we’re angry.
As for ‘hate-filled’ and ‘vile’, tune in to Bill O’Reilly, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Glen Beck, etc. Then ask yourself if you’re really not going to ’stoop to that level’, or if you’re already at that level, looking up.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:03 pmLet’s break down the contributions from one of our typical biblethumping Bush cultists named 20Wordsorless:
9:52am: “your (sic) nothing but a bunch of cowards…”
10:59am: “Boy, you are a deluded piece of garbage.”
11:12am: “Shut up Juan, no one ever knows what you’re talking about.”
And then, later: “There are some things about Bush that I like, and not talking about the things I don’t like here at TP is not blind allegience—it’s called having some class. Why would I side with some of the most vile, angry, and hate-filled people on the planet? I’m not going to stoop to that level.”
I guess maybe it’s shellshock from having to go through some of those horrendous “Cold War” battles in the late 80’s. War is hell. It makes men crazy. Or, maybe he’s just an a-hole.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHey stupid, I’m not the one who sat on his but from ‘84 to ‘88 and then proudly announced, “I fought the Cold War.”
February 12th, 2007 at 1:04 pmPastor Enlightened One
Oh good lord, where to start?
“Why dont you folks leave the government up to the professional government?
Why dont you folks leave the military up to the professional military?”
Maybe because civilization has progressed a bit since the days of ancient middle-eastern kings and the Roman legion?
“What is Christianity?
Why is there Christianity?
Who are these Christians?”
Can there possibly be a less interesting set of questions to ask?
February 12th, 2007 at 1:14 pmHey stupid, I’m not the one who sat on his but from ‘84 to ‘88 and then proudly announced, “I fought the Cold War.â€
Comment by Bluedog49
Again, if you would have followed the thread, you would have discovered that I was being facetious… and you call me stupid…
February 12th, 2007 at 1:19 pmHow many times have you heard this tired old argument from the rabid neo-cons:
If you don’t support the war, you hate the troops and love the terrorists!
I hate to break it to you con’s, but many of us that you call “terrorist lovers†have served honorably in the military.
If you con’s are so eager to kill more American service members because Pres. Bush cannot admit that he lied about WMD’s in Iraq, then why don’t you go sign up? If you’ve already served, why don’t you sign up again?!?!? If this is such a “just war†as you blindly claim, then it should be good enough for you to put you life on the line, just as you expect other service members to do.
Until you can put yourself in the front lines, you’re nothing but a bunch of cowards that simply give lip-service (Not like Haggarrd, but similar) to the neo-cons that hide behind their desks and say “I’m too important to die for my country, why not let someone else die so I can worship at the alter of mendacity and calumny that is Pres. Bush and his neo-con administration.”
February 12th, 2007 at 1:20 pm“The answers to all of these questions and many more are available in the best-selling book of ALL TIME! The Bible.”
Not that surprising considering its age (2000-4000 years depending on your point of view), it’s earliest date of mechanical publication (in this case, it was the first), and the stranglehold of Christianity already in place at the time of the invention of the printing press.
However, if we look at number of books sold per year since the creating of the book (using 300 AD as a kind interpretation for the Bible, and excluding books published in the past 10 years, then the Quotations of Chairman Mao are far and away the #1 best seller, followed by Xinhua Zidian in the #2 position, and Lord of the Rings at #3.
In the all-time list, including recent publications, you have the Quran, the Book of Mormon, and each of the Harry Potter series.
At least we can conclude that all of the best sellers fall into the genre of Fantasy.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:32 pm#166 Pastor Enlightened One
Shorter version: Citizens are to be seen and not heard.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:33 pm20words, what I’m mainly calling you out on is the strange rhetorical inversion people like you do. You come on these boards calling people cowards and traitors. You call people pieces of garbage. And, then later, you lament and whine that you won’t sink to the level of hate you see on these boards. That’s pure b.s. and you know it. You’re the people who support a guy who said “go F*ck yourself” on the Senate floor. You’re the people who blame liberals for 9-11. You’re the people who claim liberals want to give terrorists counseling rather than fight them. And, you’re the a-hole who goes to church believing that those who don’t agree with you will be tortured for eternity in Hell. And, to top it off, you’re too much of a coward to say anything negative about your cult leader on these boards. If you don’t like what you think is the “hate” around here, do us all a favor and get the hell out of here. You’re bad news.
February 12th, 2007 at 1:51 pmHey Pastor, give it a rest. We don’t goosestep to your rules of order and I, for one, don’t even recognize the legitimacy of your stupid rhetorical questions. You think you’re making a point of something? You’re just full of bull. You’ve got nothing. Get it?
February 12th, 2007 at 1:54 pmCaption, guy in the khakis with arms up in photo:
†Now youve done it, my eggs are burned!!! â€
Caption, guy in black leather jacket:
†Would you like to buy some virgins? â€
These pathetic losers are gettig what they deserve for not taking a stand and ousting Saddam on their own back in the day.
Just some good old fashioned kharma going on in my book.
Comment by
February 12th, 2007 at 2:02 pmbluedog
February 12th, 2007 at 2:02 pmpastor x is rachel
And yet, no one can truthfully answer any of my questions.
Why should I vote for any opposition to the party at large right now?
Persuade me to vote Democratic?
Anyone?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:04 pmbluedog
pastor x is rachel
Comment by karlX
Yes. Yes I am rachel!!
Can you answer my questions and convince me to vote Democratic or not?
Convince me and persuade me to vote Democratic.
Do you posess this ability?
I have a few legitimate questions I would like an honest answer to from the posters here at Thin Progress.
Here goes.
Why dont you folks leave the government up to the professional government?
Why dont you folks leave the military up to the professional military?
What do you folks strive for?
What do you strive against?
What is the goal here?
Define the goal?
Define US politics today in detail.
Define US geo-politics & policies today in detail.
What is an enemy?
Who is the enemy?
Why are there enemies of the US?
Why are there allies of the US?
Who is an ally of the US?
Why are they an ally.
What is Christianity?
Why is there Christianity?
Who are these Christians?
What are Jews?
Why is there the Jewish faith?
Who are these Jews?
Why does mankind have a common bond?
Does mankind even have a common bond?
What is that bond?
The answers to all of these questions and many more are available in the best-selling book of ALL TIME!
The Bible.
February 12th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAnd yet, no one can truthfully answer any of my questions.
Why should I vote for any opposition to the party at large right now?
Persuade me to vote Democratic?
Anyone?
Or are you full of false hubris and hullabaloo?
Where are your skillful ” persuaders ”
I am open to change.
I need help.
Please convince me to go the way of Democratic party rule?
Anyone?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:10 pm20words, what I’m mainly calling you out on is the strange rhetorical inversion people like you do. You come on these boards calling people cowards and traitors. You call people pieces of garbage. And, then later, you lament and whine that you won’t sink to the level of hate you see on these boards. That’s pure b.s. and you know it.
Comment by Bluedog49
On the contrary Bluedog. It is you and many others like you who set the tone of the discussions here. Often times when people like me come on these boards, we become a lightning rod for your abuse. In my case I take it for only so long before I return in kind. Whatever name calling I engage in is mild compared to yours, yet you seem to think that I’m the one who is out of line. Your logic is definitely twisted, no wonder you lean to the left.
February 12th, 2007 at 2:22 pmhas anyone else notified TP about the “pastor” troll?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:24 pmnip it quick.
And yet, no one can truthfully answer any of my questions.
Nonsense. Your questions are easily answered. But, they are boring and off-topic.
If you want to be enlightened, post your email address and I will happily deconstruct all of your questions, waste of time thought it would be, because:
I am open to change.
I have yet to meet one of your ilk for which this was true.
February 12th, 2007 at 2:26 pm20WOL your first post of the day in this thread…
How many times has this tired argument been used? If someone supports the war you libs require them to be in it, otherwise they’re cowards. I hate to break it to, but many of us who you call cowards have served in the military. If you libs want peace so badly, why don’t you lay down in front of a tank, or go to Iraq and stand between US forces and the insurgents? Until you’re willing to do that, your nothing but a bunch of cowards giving lip service to the cause of peace
Hmm lightning rod for abuse? Lets see you start by lumping everyone together in one category… you libs. Then you get to the substance of your discussion abbout laying down in front of tanks, standing between the US forces and insurgents etc… real insightful stuff. Innflamatory actually, yet you bemoan that you are a lightning rod hhere?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:31 pmOK 20words, let’s go through this again. It must take multiple postings to get this through your thick mellon.
You started this hatefest:
9:52am: “your (sic) nothing but a bunch of cowards…â€
10:59am: “Boy, you are a deluded piece of garbage.â€
11:12am: “Shut up Juan, no one ever knows what you’re talking about.â€
And then, later: “There are some things about Bush that I like, and not talking about the things I don’t like here at TP is not blind allegience—it’s called having some class. Why would I side with some of the most vile, angry, and hate-filled people on the planet? I’m not going to stoop to that level.â€
Do I have to post it again? You rush to your keyboard and insult people. Then when they insult you back, you whine and cry like a little coward.
February 12th, 2007 at 2:42 pm#183 – Comment by Mark — February 12, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
The amusing part is that 20wordsorless refuses to fight in the war, but he supports war for the sake of war!
If he supported the troops, he’d question why they’re in a country that has no WMD’s (lies from Pres. Bush) and IS in the middle of a civil war (gift from Pres. Bush).
If he supported the troops, he’d ask why there was no plan for the war after invading (gift from Rumsfeld) and why there are no metrics for the US leaving the country.
If he supported the troops, he’d ask why we’re going to invade a THIRD country before we properly safeguarded the two we’ve already invaded!
20WOL hasn’t really thought about what this war is really for, he’s far too busy swigging the neo-con kool-aid and repeating the party line to put his brain in gear and question the Administration.
February 12th, 2007 at 2:43 pmAnd let’s not forget this little tidbit offered by 20WOL as his first post on saturday:
You’re such a f**king hypocrit. You who applauds the death of any Republican, who spews his venom against the Administration on a daily basis, suddenly has compassion? Yeah right! I bet you’d change your tune in a heartbeat if you found out that the poor bastard dumped in skid row voted for Bush twice and doesn’t believe global warming is man caused. Stop pretending you care about those who share his plight. This story is only useful to TP and it’s pet idiots because you believe a nationalized health care system would have prevented this.
Comment by 20wordsorless — February 10, 2007 @ 7:19 am
Yeah, why’s everybody always picking on me???
February 12th, 2007 at 2:49 pmOn the contrary Bluedog. It is you and many others like you who set the tone of the discussions here. Comment by 20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
Really? You mean posts like the first one on the thread don’t set the tone?
Seems like the last person you want in a foxhole with you is a liberal, because they will shoot you so that they can surrender peacefully. Comment by Jason M. Hendler — February 12, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Poor 20%er, you bemoan being mistreated, yet you don’t apologize or deny support to conservatives that claim we want to shoot, and kill people, or that call us traitors like Hendler.
Who’s the real traitor 20%, because it is you that is attacking us, instead of the terrorists. If you really wanted to go fight the terrorists, you’d go do so, instead of hiding behind your keyboards attacking liberals. You seem to think liberals are a bigger threat than Al Qaeda, are you sure you aren’t Ann Coulter, or some other loser psycho trying to sell a book?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:51 pmIt’s the conservative culture of victimization. Poor baby. We offend his delicate sensibilities. 20words, have some warm milk and cookies.
February 12th, 2007 at 2:52 pmYeah, why’s everybody always picking on me???
Comment by DRxJ — February 12, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Conservatives always blame others for why they’re hated, it’s never their fault. It’s like that poor sap Seixon that thinks everyone is mean to him because he’s ’smart’ – BWAHAHAHAHAA, it’s almost funny it’s so psycho!
February 12th, 2007 at 2:53 pmHmm lightning rod for abuse? Lets see you start by lumping everyone together in one category… you libs. Then you get to the substance of your discussion abbout laying down in front of tanks, standing between the US forces and insurgents etc… real insightful stuff. Innflamatory actually, yet you bemoan that you are a lightning rod hhere?
Comment by Mark
Try to pay attention Mark. I keep forgetting that you guys know very little about context. There is a history here that you seem to be unaware of. I have been ridiculed and insulted many times in the past by some of those who are posting comments on this thread. My comments today were made in the context of that history. Is that easy enough for you to understand, or do I need to write some lengthy explanation repleat with documentation?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDo I have to post it again? You rush to your keyboard and insult people. Then when they insult you back, you whine and cry like a little coward.
Comment by Bluedog49
You’re as dense as Mark. It’s truly remarkable how you will search for my comments, and not look at the history of between me and who my comment was directed to. Do you mean to tell me that if you see me posting comments tomorrow that you’ll have no memory of how our interactions went today? When I started my comments this morning, they were in responce to something that Tripmaster Monkey had said. There is a history to our interactions, and I assure you that he went to the insults first. I’m just repaying him with the same respect and kindness that he has shown me.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:05 pm#189 – Yeah, Mark!
Don’t you know that 20WOL is the ONLY person who is EVER insulted on this blog?!?!? What’s wrong with you?!?!?!
Oh, I guess I forgot about the numerous insulting and vituperate posts that 20WOL posted right before anyone insulted him.
My pardon.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:05 pmYeah, why’s everybody always picking on me???
Comment by DRxJ
You’re like everyone else here—your memory stops short of your own insults.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:07 pmbesides my continuous and justified combative insults of JMH, where have I, ever insulted anyone, unless they have insulted me first?
Again, show me where I’ve instigated the written insults?
February 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pmtake your time!
My comments today were made in the context of that history. Is that easy enough for you to understand, or do I need to write some lengthy explanation repleat with documentation? Comment by 20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Because it’s wrong for others to do it, it makes it right for you to do it? That sounds like the justification for torturing and murdering – because the terrorists made you do it! I see you share Hendler’s belief that it’s OK to set aside your religious/moral beliefs to fight an adversary. And you wonder why you’re known as the party/movement of hypocrisy!!!
February 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmYou’re like everyone else here—your memory stops short of your own insults. Comment by 20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Very self reflective of you.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pmDid you hear the one about the neocon who walked into a progressive bar?
He expected to have a party thrown in his honor with free drinks.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThere is a history to our interactions, and I assure you that he went to the insults first. I’m just repaying him with the same respect and kindness that he has shown me. Comment by 20wordsorless — February 12, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
So you bemoan poor treatment, by issuing poor treatment? Yeah, it’s all everyone else’s fault that you’re treated poorly… Typical conservative.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:15 pmthe left is filled with………..
A) Strawberry sauce
February 12th, 2007 at 3:17 pmB)Candy canes
C)debbie cakes
D) Cry Babies
E)All of the above
F)TO MAny QUestionaires…
Take that back …I was too busy fisting my republican siblings to insult you, thank you very much.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:18 pmLibruls need a edumacation in dat der contecks, its jussa cryin’ shame cuz I was in da air force playing video games iraq and iran same gosh dern thing – all brown people who greet us wif flowers woooooo dogggy! Sheep rule!
February 12th, 2007 at 3:22 pmHahahah now that’s funny!
February 12th, 2007 at 3:24 pmthe left is filled with………..
A) Strawberry sauce
B)Candy canes
C)debbie cakes
D) Cry Babies
E)All of the above
F)TO MAny QUestionaires…
Comment by God is a Nihilist —
I am thinking..???
A.
That is CORRECT!! DING DING DING!!
I WON A NEW BIBLE.
I WILL DONATE MY OLD ONE TO THIS SITE.
IT IS SORELY NEEDED.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:30 pm20wordsorless sez:
I call bullshit. You insulted me first, dolt. Scroll up if you have a problem remembering back that far.
Why would anyone….even as demonstrably stupid as you…try to run this lie and not think I would call you on it?
February 12th, 2007 at 3:33 pm20WOL you can call me names, you can accuse me of being ignorant of your history here (this may be partially true as I have only been here about a year or so), you can do what you will because I really have no control over you , nor do I wish to have any. But when you continue to call names you undercut your argument. When you continue to toss rhetoric around as factual, you undercut your argument. When you avoid substance you undercut your argument. I can sit back and now say I have a personal history with 20WOL and that history is bad because you called me names and assaulted my with your vile rantings. And in the future people can assume that I am right because I said so. Just as you want people to assume you are right simply because you say so. However saying it does not make it so and saying it repeatedly does nothing to bolster any position you try to make. However in the time I have been reading and posting to TP you have been the same person. You may say something inflammatory then profess to be a victim when called on it, it is the right wing way. However to my knowledge you have been inflammatory since I can remember, though I can honestly admit that I read very few of these threads through and through and I probably never will.
In the time I have been coming here I have seen people come in and argue their position without the name calling with facts, or what they believe to be facts and not rhetoric. These people tend to get more respect than the flame throwers. I have also seen those, like Hendler who simply throw bombs or make statements that have no basis in reality. Those people get jumped on pretty quickly, I’ve even seen people from the other side of the spectrum get jumped on, especially the 911 conspiracy people, though my only personal experience with 911 conspiracies is from right wing county board members where I live. I guess my point in all of this would be that if you have a point to make and you have support or believe you have support make the point without the other crap and you will be treated with more respect. Or you can continue on your present “I’m a victim of left wing hate”
That said, it is not in the right wing republican playbook to use a reality based, evidence supported approach, so I know it is very difficult for you to do so. What I see is that they have an overwhelming need to drop rhetorical bombs and sling unsubstantiated mud wherever they can. If the argument is Pelosi’s plane toss as much out there as you can before the real world facts arrive to debunk you, with the Obama Madras story…same approach, ditto for the fake Kerry affair story and the Kerry swiftboating. At least that way they have their garbage out there and the faithful will believe it forever regardless of what the truth is. It works to keep the 30% uneducated and insulated from what the right doesn’t want them to face…reality.
Beyond that I hhave no interest in soothing your overt sense of victimization.
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February 12th, 2007 at 3:54 pmPoor 20wordsorless. See people, he’s the real victim here. Let’s say a prayer for him.
Oh Lord,
You are so big.
Crush the enemies of 20wordsorless.
Pound them into the sand, oh Lord!
I need your help!
Amen.
February 12th, 2007 at 4:48 pm