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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So who made the gods?&lt;/em&gt;

Other gods, according to Creationism.  And they had to have gods who created them, and soon and on and on...  Until it demonstrates that Creation is not logical...

&lt;em&gt;BTW Natural Selection doesnâ€™t have sh!t to do with randomness.
Comment by Jason M. Sheeplovin â€” February 15, 2007 @ 3:18 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Of course it does.  

The fact that you say it doesn&#039;t shows you, once again, don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about.

Otherwise - if you were correct, weather people would be accurate a hell of a lot more often.

If you&#039;d just READ the actual words of the actual Scientists themselves rather than someone else&#039;s misguided interpretation of them, you&#039;d understand why you can not win an argument here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So who made the gods?</em></p>
<p>Other gods, according to Creationism.  And they had to have gods who created them, and soon and on and on&#8230;  Until it demonstrates that Creation is not logical&#8230;</p>
<p><em>BTW Natural Selection doesnâ€™t have sh!t to do with randomness.<br />
Comment by Jason M. Sheeplovin â€” February 15, 2007 @ 3:18 pm</em></p>
<p>Of course it does.  </p>
<p>The fact that you say it doesn&#8217;t shows you, once again, don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>Otherwise &#8211; if you were correct, weather people would be accurate a hell of a lot more often.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d just READ the actual words of the actual Scientists themselves rather than someone else&#8217;s misguided interpretation of them, you&#8217;d understand why you can not win an argument here.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1755854', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob Irwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Irwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Side Show&quot; ... The Kansas Comedy Continues - (Unabated...)

God put dinosaur bones in the ground to test our faith ... and there is a tea pot in orbit around Mars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Side Show&#8221; &#8230; The Kansas Comedy Continues &#8211; (Unabated&#8230;)</p>
<p>God put dinosaur bones in the ground to test our faith &#8230; and there is a tea pot in orbit around Mars.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1755716', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason M. Sheeplovin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason M. Sheeplovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Shannon, how do you explain how that designer came to be then?  Surely it couldn&#039;t have come about due to chance therefore it must have been designed.  So who made the gods?

BTW Natural Selection doesn&#039;t have sh!t to do with randomness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Shannon, how do you explain how that designer came to be then?  Surely it couldn&#8217;t have come about due to chance therefore it must have been designed.  So who made the gods?</p>
<p>BTW Natural Selection doesn&#8217;t have sh!t to do with randomness.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1755234', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that life has resulted from design rather than by chance. While I am far from suggesting that a day or two was necessarily enough time to make the Grand Canyon, it must be noticed that hundreds of millions of years weren&#039;t enough time for random processes to devise the first cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that life has resulted from design rather than by chance. While I am far from suggesting that a day or two was necessarily enough time to make the Grand Canyon, it must be noticed that hundreds of millions of years weren&#8217;t enough time for random processes to devise the first cell.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1755223', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
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		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#89 I found that out a long time ago.  Did you know that he hates women?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#89 I found that out a long time ago.  Did you know that he hates women?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1745884', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jake3988</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake3988</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay. They vote for it.  AGAIN.  After voting against it, again.

Oh and by the way, I really want to punch as hard as I can the next person that says: &quot;The kids should use their own judgment and choose what&#039;s right.&quot;

THAT&#039;S NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS.  ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay. They vote for it.  AGAIN.  After voting against it, again.</p>
<p>Oh and by the way, I really want to punch as hard as I can the next person that says: &#8220;The kids should use their own judgment and choose what&#8217;s right.&#8221;</p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS.  ok?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1743929', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argueing with Jason Hendler is pointless, I see.    He&#039;s like a stubborn donkey that clings to his position regardless of facts presented to him, is never satisfied with any answer he&#039;s given, refuses to accept that he&#039;s wrong, can&#039;t believe anyone else is right, and is guilty of the same deadly sin that sent Lucifer to Hell...Pride.    Folks, stop argueing with him.  Same with Mighty Aphrodite, Daryll, and the rest of them.    Ignore them, show them that they&#039;re not welcome here.   Honest to goodness Conservatives who wish to debate our positions and offer alternatives, who acknowledge when we have a point and who are willing to debate honestly and with any chance of coming to a consensus or even an agreement to disagree should be welcomed.   Moralist &#039;Abortion is Wrong&#039;, &#039;Evolution is a lie&#039;, &#039;America, love her or leave her&#039; and so on so-called &#039;debaters&#039; should just be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argueing with Jason Hendler is pointless, I see.    He&#8217;s like a stubborn donkey that clings to his position regardless of facts presented to him, is never satisfied with any answer he&#8217;s given, refuses to accept that he&#8217;s wrong, can&#8217;t believe anyone else is right, and is guilty of the same deadly sin that sent Lucifer to Hell&#8230;Pride.    Folks, stop argueing with him.  Same with Mighty Aphrodite, Daryll, and the rest of them.    Ignore them, show them that they&#8217;re not welcome here.   Honest to goodness Conservatives who wish to debate our positions and offer alternatives, who acknowledge when we have a point and who are willing to debate honestly and with any chance of coming to a consensus or even an agreement to disagree should be welcomed.   Moralist &#8216;Abortion is Wrong&#8217;, &#8216;Evolution is a lie&#8217;, &#8216;America, love her or leave her&#8217; and so on so-called &#8216;debaters&#8217; should just be ignored.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1743452', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan LaBarre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan LaBarre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Bobby Henderson had some sway in this issue. His letter to the Kansas school board was quite adamant about the role of ID in the school system. High piracy on the A B C&#039;s...

http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Bobby Henderson had some sway in this issue. His letter to the Kansas school board was quite adamant about the role of ID in the school system. High piracy on the A B C&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1742391', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Democrat Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Democrat Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 - &quot;whereas creationism has all of creation as evidence.&quot;  Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm

Well, if it were able to be replicated, then it would be proven to be true.  All we need it for God to re-create all of creation and then we would know that it was true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 &#8211; &#8220;whereas creationism has all of creation as evidence.&#8221;  Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm</p>
<p>Well, if it were able to be replicated, then it would be proven to be true.  All we need it for God to re-create all of creation and then we would know that it was true.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1742125', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Schuh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fernando Schuh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the Jason M. Hendlers of the world: Not every issue has two sides. Really!
I can&#039;t understand how an otherwise smart people like the americans could fall so easily to this mindtrap. Boggles my mind... And he talks about being taught creationism... which one? This is the only example I can think of of an issue that has at least a thousand sides: Creationism with all the different myths all over the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Jason M. Hendlers of the world: Not every issue has two sides. Really!<br />
I can&#8217;t understand how an otherwise smart people like the americans could fall so easily to this mindtrap. Boggles my mind&#8230; And he talks about being taught creationism&#8230; which one? This is the only example I can think of of an issue that has at least a thousand sides: Creationism with all the different myths all over the world.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1741654', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Itâ€™s one of the few states destined for blessings. Regardless of societyâ€™s views, they continue to follow biblical standards.

Comment by Daryll&lt;/em&gt;

Where in the Bible does it say &quot;Thou shalt not consume alcohol?&quot; Let us know, cause Jesus must have missed it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Itâ€™s one of the few states destined for blessings. Regardless of societyâ€™s views, they continue to follow biblical standards.</p>
<p>Comment by Daryll</em></p>
<p>Where in the Bible does it say &#8220;Thou shalt not consume alcohol?&#8221; Let us know, cause Jesus must have missed it too.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1737400', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;speciation could only be spontaneous, because, at some point, the genetic code must change enough to become a new species, and such a change is only instanteous / spontaneous. 
Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 8:15 pm&lt;/i&gt;

Er, no. 

I had to go back to this one comment because it was nagging me. You don&#039;t know what a species is, nor what speciation means.

Please read about &lt;a href=&quot;http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VSpeciation.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;speciation&lt;/a&gt;, what it is, and the processes that lead to it.

In a nutshell, it is caused by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;genetic drift&lt;/a&gt;, which can take many, many generations. It doesn&#039;t happen instantaneously, don&#039;t be ridiculous.

&lt;i&gt;Evolution is the accumulation of countless speciations and family diversifications to create all the varied lifeforms we see today.&lt;/i&gt;

Evolution is not synonimous with speciation. Speciation is a very particular instance in the evolutionary process. 

In a nutshell, all the changes that occur within a population of any given species over time is evolution -aka, descent with modification. With enough time, these changes will eventually lead to speciation.

Check &lt;a href=&quot;http://evolution.berkeley.edu/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt; to get the basics on evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>speciation could only be spontaneous, because, at some point, the genetic code must change enough to become a new species, and such a change is only instanteous / spontaneous.<br />
Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 8:15 pm</i></p>
<p>Er, no. </p>
<p>I had to go back to this one comment because it was nagging me. You don&#8217;t know what a species is, nor what speciation means.</p>
<p>Please read about <a href="http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/VSpeciation.shtml" rel="nofollow">speciation</a>, what it is, and the processes that lead to it.</p>
<p>In a nutshell, it is caused by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift" rel="nofollow">genetic drift</a>, which can take many, many generations. It doesn&#8217;t happen instantaneously, don&#8217;t be ridiculous.</p>
<p><i>Evolution is the accumulation of countless speciations and family diversifications to create all the varied lifeforms we see today.</i></p>
<p>Evolution is not synonimous with speciation. Speciation is a very particular instance in the evolutionary process. </p>
<p>In a nutshell, all the changes that occur within a population of any given species over time is evolution -aka, descent with modification. With enough time, these changes will eventually lead to speciation.</p>
<p>Check <a href="http://evolution.berkeley.edu/" rel="nofollow">this site</a> to get the basics on evolution.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736546', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Lately, Iâ€™ve never seen an ape produce a human nor an ape progress into a human. 
Comment by Daryll â€” February 13, 2007 @ 9:21 pm&lt;/i&gt;

Strawman borne out of the ignorance of what is known about human evolution. 

Humans did not evolve from apes. Modern apes and humans evolved from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/primate.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;common ancestor&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;i&gt;Something must have been mentally wrong with Charles Darwin.&lt;/i&gt;

Coming from you, this is actually a compliment. 

We have all seen what passes for &quot;mental sanity&quot; in your deluded mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lately, Iâ€™ve never seen an ape produce a human nor an ape progress into a human.<br />
Comment by Daryll â€” February 13, 2007 @ 9:21 pm</i></p>
<p>Strawman borne out of the ignorance of what is known about human evolution. </p>
<p>Humans did not evolve from apes. Modern apes and humans evolved from a <a href="http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/primate.html" rel="nofollow">common ancestor</a>. </p>
<p><i>Something must have been mentally wrong with Charles Darwin.</i></p>
<p>Coming from you, this is actually a compliment. </p>
<p>We have all seen what passes for &#8220;mental sanity&#8221; in your deluded mind.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736443', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Once again, I am able to refute your statements, but TP has deleted  my answers. It seems that TP only wants to record your side of the argument, so there is no point in trying anymore.Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:30 pm&lt;/em&gt;

You aren&#039;t arguing, you&#039;re just posting nonsense opinions on what the theory of evolution &#039;should-be&#039;.

Differentiation is proven.
Speciation is proven.

Sorry, but the debate is over skippy, and Genesis lost the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Once again, I am able to refute your statements, but TP has deleted  my answers. It seems that TP only wants to record your side of the argument, so there is no point in trying anymore.Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:30 pm</em></p>
<p>You aren&#8217;t arguing, you&#8217;re just posting nonsense opinions on what the theory of evolution &#8217;should-be&#8217;.</p>
<p>Differentiation is proven.<br />
Speciation is proven.</p>
<p>Sorry, but the debate is over skippy, and Genesis lost the debate.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736143', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#71, unbee, I am highly adept at discreet function statistics, such as coin flipping or card playing, and can produce equations for the games that I play. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s nice, but in the world of genome plays, you can&#039;t readily predict whether a mutation will occur or not.  You don&#039;t even have enough information to know when the coin is flipped, therefore you can&#039;t create a formula for when something comes next.

For someone that claims to understand games, this basic premise disproves the theory of an intellect within Hendler.

&lt;em&gt;The first step to producing the right equation is understanding the correct conditions, operations and intended / unintended outcomes. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm&lt;/em&gt;

When you come up with an equation to predict when cosmic energy will produce a cellular mutation - then that will be interesting.  Until them all of your posts on this topic are just blah, blah, blah - nothing.

&lt;em&gt;Now continuous function statistics was always more difficult for me, but doable none the less. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm&lt;/em&gt;

So&#039;s adding 2+2 apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>#71, unbee, I am highly adept at discreet function statistics, such as coin flipping or card playing, and can produce equations for the games that I play. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s nice, but in the world of genome plays, you can&#8217;t readily predict whether a mutation will occur or not.  You don&#8217;t even have enough information to know when the coin is flipped, therefore you can&#8217;t create a formula for when something comes next.</p>
<p>For someone that claims to understand games, this basic premise disproves the theory of an intellect within Hendler.</p>
<p><em>The first step to producing the right equation is understanding the correct conditions, operations and intended / unintended outcomes. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm</em></p>
<p>When you come up with an equation to predict when cosmic energy will produce a cellular mutation &#8211; then that will be interesting.  Until them all of your posts on this topic are just blah, blah, blah &#8211; nothing.</p>
<p><em>Now continuous function statistics was always more difficult for me, but doable none the less. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm</em></p>
<p>So&#8217;s adding 2+2 apparently.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736108', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wake-n-bake</title>
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		<dc:creator>wake-n-bake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Once again, I am able to refute your statements, but TP has deleted my answers.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler &lt;/em&gt;

When you resort to vulgar name calling, you get monitored and deleted whenever you sound remotely offensive. Keep it up and you&#039;ll get banned permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Once again, I am able to refute your statements, but TP has deleted my answers.<br />
Comment by Jason M. Hendler </em></p>
<p>When you resort to vulgar name calling, you get monitored and deleted whenever you sound remotely offensive. Keep it up and you&#8217;ll get banned permanently.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736096', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;#48, Trip, I clearly stated that these observations should be reproducible, not in the same way, nor in the same amount of time, but a speciation should be easily reproducible. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm&lt;/em&gt;

When you create your own theory, then you can decide a premise like this.  A random event doesn&#039;t require frequent reproducibility if that isn&#039;t what the theory says.

This is just a ridiculous claim on your part to avoid reality.  The theory of evolution simply states that speciation occurs, not that they should occur frequently enough to satisfy the he-man woman hater known as Hendler.

&lt;em&gt;If you take a sorted deck and shuffle it, you should find a near random distribution of the cards. If you take a second sorted deck and shuffle it, you should again find a near random distribution of cards. The order of the cards in the two decks will be different, but they both will be shuffled. That is all I ask these scientists to do. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm&lt;/em&gt;

BAHAHA, those are completely unrelated.  The random event of mutation is random.  The Genome is huge.  A mutation significant enough to produce speciation in a specific species is enormous.  Just because you believe this is how speciation &lt;b&gt;should&lt;/b&gt; work, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s even related to evolution.

Your whole statement above is just the ramblings of the brain of a child that shows complete ignorance of evolution.

&lt;em&gt;Simply create a controlled setting in which speciation is the only goal, and do it. It doesnâ€™t matter how the speciation is achieved, it merely needs speciation. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm&lt;/em&gt;

This posting is based on a fundamental set of flaws and ignorances.  I corrected you before, you obviously have the intellect of a child, so I&#039;ll reiterate.

1) The speciation is based on a random event.  How can you have the goal to create a random event.
2) The speciation only needs to be observed having happened naturally to qualify for the theory of evolution - check.
3) Breeding doesn&#039;t produce speciation if no random mutation events.
4) You can non-randomly speciate through genome manipulation, or allow nature to do it - those are your options.

But no matter how you slice it.  Speciation has been observed - the debate is over.  Evolution is a proven fact, whereas your 8000 year old earth is a disproven superstitious myth - just like your claim to have an Ivy League education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>#48, Trip, I clearly stated that these observations should be reproducible, not in the same way, nor in the same amount of time, but a speciation should be easily reproducible. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm</em></p>
<p>When you create your own theory, then you can decide a premise like this.  A random event doesn&#8217;t require frequent reproducibility if that isn&#8217;t what the theory says.</p>
<p>This is just a ridiculous claim on your part to avoid reality.  The theory of evolution simply states that speciation occurs, not that they should occur frequently enough to satisfy the he-man woman hater known as Hendler.</p>
<p><em>If you take a sorted deck and shuffle it, you should find a near random distribution of the cards. If you take a second sorted deck and shuffle it, you should again find a near random distribution of cards. The order of the cards in the two decks will be different, but they both will be shuffled. That is all I ask these scientists to do. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm</em></p>
<p>BAHAHA, those are completely unrelated.  The random event of mutation is random.  The Genome is huge.  A mutation significant enough to produce speciation in a specific species is enormous.  Just because you believe this is how speciation <b>should</b> work, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s even related to evolution.</p>
<p>Your whole statement above is just the ramblings of the brain of a child that shows complete ignorance of evolution.</p>
<p><em>Simply create a controlled setting in which speciation is the only goal, and do it. It doesnâ€™t matter how the speciation is achieved, it merely needs speciation. Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:02 pm</em></p>
<p>This posting is based on a fundamental set of flaws and ignorances.  I corrected you before, you obviously have the intellect of a child, so I&#8217;ll reiterate.</p>
<p>1) The speciation is based on a random event.  How can you have the goal to create a random event.<br />
2) The speciation only needs to be observed having happened naturally to qualify for the theory of evolution &#8211; check.<br />
3) Breeding doesn&#8217;t produce speciation if no random mutation events.<br />
4) You can non-randomly speciate through genome manipulation, or allow nature to do it &#8211; those are your options.</p>
<p>But no matter how you slice it.  Speciation has been observed &#8211; the debate is over.  Evolution is a proven fact, whereas your 8000 year old earth is a disproven superstitious myth &#8211; just like your claim to have an Ivy League education.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736078', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I am highly adept at discreet function statistics, such as coin flipping or card playing, &lt;/em&gt;

Apparently not.

&lt;em&gt;Now continuous function statistics was always more difficult for me, but doable none the less.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Again, apparently not...

Later Jason...  As much as I just &lt;em&gt;love&lt;/em&gt; debunking you, I really need to go to sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I am highly adept at discreet function statistics, such as coin flipping or card playing, </em></p>
<p>Apparently not.</p>
<p><em>Now continuous function statistics was always more difficult for me, but doable none the less.<br />
Comment by Jason M. Hendler â€” February 13, 2007 @ 11:26 pm</em></p>
<p>Again, apparently not&#8230;</p>
<p>Later Jason&#8230;  As much as I just <em>love</em> debunking you, I really need to go to sleep.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736033', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason M. Hendler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason M. Hendler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, I am able to refute your statements, but TP has deleted my answers.  It seems that TP only wants to record your side of the argument, so there is no point in trying anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, I am able to refute your statements, but TP has deleted my answers.  It seems that TP only wants to record your side of the argument, so there is no point in trying anymore.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1736015', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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