Comments on: The Davy Crockett defense of escalation. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:29:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Dr. Mary Ann Bell http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-3/#comment-1921693 Dr. Mary Ann Bell Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:05:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1921693 OK the quote is so stupid that my pointing this out is irrelevant BUT AS ANY TEXAS SCHOOL KID KNOWS, at the time of the Battle of the Alamo, Texas was NOT A STATE. It wasn't even a country yet, though that was the intent of the revolution. Congress would not have had any reason to be debating the war. DUH. If you are gonna say something amazingly stupid, could it maybe just be historically accurate? NAH of course that is too much to ask. Davy would not have given a flying flip what the US Congress had to say anyway... OK the quote is so stupid that my pointing this out is irrelevant BUT AS ANY TEXAS SCHOOL KID KNOWS, at the time of the Battle of the Alamo, Texas was NOT A STATE. It wasn’t even a country yet, though that was the intent of the revolution. Congress would not have had any reason to be debating the war. DUH. If you are gonna say something amazingly stupid, could it maybe just be historically accurate? NAH of course that is too much to ask. Davy would not have given a flying flip what the US Congress had to say anyway…

]]> By: David Strong http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-3/#comment-1859244 David Strong Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:19:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1859244 As I recall, everyone at the Alamo was killed. Is this man saying that out troops in Iraq are like troops at the Alamo? Who's Santa Anna in that scenario? Where's the Mexican Army? Why would the US Congress have had any interaction at all with anyone in or around the Alamo? The people fighting at the Alamo didn't even have revolvers. Gatling guns had not been invented. Bowie had a knife. I don't understand... Maybe we need some DeLoreans to deliver weapons from the future to our troops in Iraq, although I suspect they'd rather come home or at least have some helmets and armored humvees. As I recall, everyone at the Alamo was killed. Is this man saying that out troops in Iraq are like troops at the Alamo? Who’s Santa Anna in that scenario? Where’s the Mexican Army? Why would the US Congress have had any interaction at all with anyone in or around the Alamo? The people fighting at the Alamo didn’t even have revolvers. Gatling guns had not been invented. Bowie had a knife. I don’t understand… Maybe we need some DeLoreans to deliver weapons from the future to our troops in Iraq, although I suspect they’d rather come home or at least have some helmets and armored humvees.

]]> By: zori http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-3/#comment-1857948 zori Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:37:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1857948 What's Davey Crockett doing with a Blackberry? That's a Canadian company. He'd be using a Treo if he was a real patriot! What’s Davey Crockett doing with a Blackberry? That’s a Canadian company. He’d be using a Treo if he was a real patriot!

]]> By: Schol-R-LEA http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1828266 Schol-R-LEA Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:43:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1828266 This is funnier than most people realize, since, as has been pointed out already, it was the Texans who were the insurgents in this case. They were not fighting for the US government; indeed, they technically weren't even US citizens at the time. Part of Houston's original agreement with the Mexican government was that the immigrants into the Texas region would renounce their American citizenship and become Mexicans, and even promised to defend Texas <em>against</em> the US. needless to say, Houston wasn't playing a fair hand when he made this agreement. There is no question that Houston's forces intended to convert Texas into a US state from the start. It's quite amazing that the Mexican authorities didn't realize this, but they apparently realized that they couldn't hold Texas otherwise anyway, and Houston's deal apparently sounded good on paper. The new immigrants made no pretense of fulfilling the other aspects of the agreement (converting to Catholicism, abandoning slavery, dropping English in favor of Spanish), either, which should have made their intentions clear if they weren't already, but even at that point the Mexican government could hardly have done anything to stop this - northern Mexico was thinly populated, especially in East Texas, which was the whole reason they allowed the Texan settlers in the country in the first place. Chances are, the only thing Houston's agreement did was to delay the armed response towards what was effectively an armed invasion for about a decade. Still, the fact that the Texans were, legally speaking, revolting against the government they had sworn loyalty to was a dicey enough matter that D.C. was careful to avoid the appearance of any formal assistance for the Lone Star Republic for yet another ten years. Of course, for their own part, many Texans didn't <em>want</em> US assistance; while most saw themselves as US loyalists 'liberating' Texas for the US, there was a sizable minority who wanted Texas to remain an independent nation in it's own right. This is funnier than most people realize, since, as has been pointed out already, it was the Texans who were the insurgents in this case. They were not fighting for the US government; indeed, they technically weren’t even US citizens at the time. Part of Houston’s original agreement with the Mexican government was that the immigrants into the Texas region would renounce their American citizenship and become Mexicans, and even promised to defend Texas against the US. needless to say, Houston wasn’t playing a fair hand when he made this agreement.

There is no question that Houston’s forces intended to convert Texas into a US state from the start. It’s quite amazing that the Mexican authorities didn’t realize this, but they apparently realized that they couldn’t hold Texas otherwise anyway, and Houston’s deal apparently sounded good on paper. The new immigrants made no pretense of fulfilling the other aspects of the agreement (converting to Catholicism, abandoning slavery, dropping English in favor of Spanish), either, which should have made their intentions clear if they weren’t already, but even at that point the Mexican government could hardly have done anything to stop this – northern Mexico was thinly populated, especially in East Texas, which was the whole reason they allowed the Texan settlers in the country in the first place. Chances are, the only thing Houston’s agreement did was to delay the armed response towards what was effectively an armed invasion for about a decade.

Still, the fact that the Texans were, legally speaking, revolting against the government they had sworn loyalty to was a dicey enough matter that D.C. was careful to avoid the appearance of any formal assistance for the Lone Star Republic for yet another ten years. Of course, for their own part, many Texans didn’t want US assistance; while most saw themselves as US loyalists ‘liberating’ Texas for the US, there was a sizable minority who wanted Texas to remain an independent nation in it’s own right.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1745926 JPark Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:46:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1745926 Only in MO could they elect this schmuck (well...maybe Texas). Only in MO could they elect this schmuck (well…maybe Texas).

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1745916 JPark Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:45:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1745916 Ok, so I am guessing Davy wouldn't appreciate guided missiles either. What the EFFF is this guy talking about? Ok, so I am guessing Davy wouldn’t appreciate guided missiles either. What the EFFF is this guy talking about?

]]> By: Jason http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1744772 Jason Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:20:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1744772 Shouldn't our government officials know our history better than the general population? Oh wait, if they did we wouldn't be repeating history now! (Vietnam, Rome...) Shouldn’t our government officials know our history better than the general population?

Oh wait, if they did we wouldn’t be repeating history now!

(Vietnam, Rome…)

]]> By: MOrris RONald http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1744536 MOrris RONald Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:40:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1744536 All I know is it would be hilarious if Davy Crockett were receiving texts at the Alamo from Mark Foley's great-great-great grandfather. "Yea verily, our precious Alamo has been lost, but fret not, Davy, for be it ever thus, you roxors! LOL! Take great haste to lay your coonskin cap about my cabin!" All I know is it would be hilarious if Davy Crockett were receiving texts at the Alamo from Mark Foley’s great-great-great grandfather.

“Yea verily, our precious Alamo has been lost, but fret not, Davy, for be it ever thus, you roxors! LOL! Take great haste to lay your coonskin cap about my cabin!”

]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1744460 Raymond Funamoto Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:21:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1744460 Todd Akin was the repugnant-repub MORON who said "Marriage is not about love. It's about a love that can bear children." That would make children born OUT OF WEDLOCK what, Akin? Can we borrow the time-travel machine out of the Vatican's Vaults and use it to transport Akin back in time and switch him with Davy Crockett so Akin CAN DIE AT THE ALAMO and Crockett be put to useful endeavors, UNLIKE Akin!!!!! Todd Akin was the repugnant-repub MORON who said “Marriage is not about love. It’s about a love that can bear children.” That would make children born OUT OF WEDLOCK what, Akin? Can we borrow the time-travel machine out of the Vatican’s Vaults and use it to transport Akin back in time and switch him with Davy Crockett so Akin CAN DIE AT THE ALAMO and Crockett be put to useful endeavors, UNLIKE Akin!!!!!

]]> By: wake-n-bake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1743712 wake-n-bake Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:14:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1743712 <em>Davy Crockett died for lack of an exit strategy. Comment by mparker</em> LOL! Quite true! Davy Crockett died for lack of an exit strategy.
Comment by mparker

LOL! Quite true!

]]> By: John Gorenfeld http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1743688 John Gorenfeld Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:11:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1743688 If the man knew his Texas history he'd know that the reinforcements were sent, but captured and slaughtered at Goliad If the man knew his Texas history he’d know that the reinforcements were sent, but captured and slaughtered at Goliad

]]> By: John Gorenfeld http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1743679 John Gorenfeld Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:10:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1743679 If the man knew his Texas history he'd know that the reinforcements were sent, but captured and slaughtered at <a href="http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/GG/qeg2.html" rel="nofollow">Goliad</a> If the man knew his Texas history he’d know that the reinforcements were sent, but captured and slaughtered at Goliad

]]> By: Oh_that_Bob! http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1743484 Oh_that_Bob! Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:46:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1743484 Todd uses a comb-over with plenty of dippty-doo to keep his brains from exploding and demolishing the capitol dome which is dedicated to the 13th Imam. Todd uses a comb-over with plenty of dippty-doo to keep his brains from exploding and demolishing the capitol dome which is dedicated to the 13th Imam.

]]> By: cirrostratus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1743480 cirrostratus Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:45:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1743480 I don't know that drawing a parallel with a historic <strong>fighting force wiped-out to the last man</strong> is going to be the most comforting thought for <em>today's</em> fighting forces, unless you think, <strong>"you're all gonna die!"</strong> is reassuring. I don’t know that drawing a parallel with a historic fighting force wiped-out to the last man is going to be the most comforting thought for today’s fighting forces, unless you think, “you’re all gonna die!” is reassuring.

]]> By: tom baker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1742700 tom baker Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:58:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1742700 We sent Davy Crockett to Iraq? When? We sent Davy Crockett to Iraq? When?

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1742677 Parrotlover77 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:55:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1742677 <blockquote>AGAIN with the ignorance of history thing. Doesn’t anybody in office read books anymore?</blockquote> Bush REALLY lowered the bar on that one.

AGAIN with the ignorance of history thing. Doesn’t anybody in office read books anymore?

Bush REALLY lowered the bar on that one.

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1742670 Parrotlover77 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:54:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1742670 Anybody listen to Thom Hartmann? That's what I love about him: his encyclopedic knowledge of U.S. (and also world) history, and the fact that he knows to say "I don't know about this period" when he actually doesn't! Why can't we have representatives with knowledge like that? Instead we have this joker using analogies that don't make sense and referencing a historical event by its folk song accounts and not actual history. I got a great idea. Let's ask the troops what they think. Oh wait, that wouldn't support the Republican talking points, now would it? Anybody listen to Thom Hartmann? That’s what I love about him: his encyclopedic knowledge of U.S. (and also world) history, and the fact that he knows to say “I don’t know about this period” when he actually doesn’t! Why can’t we have representatives with knowledge like that?

Instead we have this joker using analogies that don’t make sense and referencing a historical event by its folk song accounts and not actual history.

I got a great idea. Let’s ask the troops what they think.

Oh wait, that wouldn’t support the Republican talking points, now would it?

]]> By: mparker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1742613 mparker Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:44:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1742613 Davy Crockett died for lack of an exit strategy. Davy Crockett died for lack of an exit strategy.

]]> By: cynical ex-hippie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1742411 cynical ex-hippie Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:12:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1742411 Did someone tell him that the decision to not send more troops to the Alamo was a good decision? That Texas later won the war at the Battle of San Jacinto? That the militia went to the Alamo unilaterally? That if they had sent more troops into a quagmire they would have lost everything? Did someone tell him that the decision to not send more troops to the Alamo was a good decision? That Texas later won the war at the Battle of San Jacinto? That the militia went to the Alamo unilaterally? That if they had sent more troops into a quagmire they would have lost everything?

]]> By: Lebo (in exile) http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/comment-page-2/#comment-1742210 Lebo (in exile) Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:21:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/13/the-davy-crockett-defense-of-escalation/#comment-1742210 Let me get this straight... according to Rep. Akin-- Alamo:Davy Crockett::Iraq:U.S. Troops I'm sure his logic is giving our brave soliders a real moral boost. Let me get this straight… according to Rep. Akin–

Alamo:Davy Crockett::Iraq:U.S. Troops

I’m sure his logic is giving our brave soliders a real moral boost.

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