Hillary stands up to Bush on Iran.
By on Feb 14th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Hillary stands up to Bush on Iran.
“If the administration believes that any, any use of force against Iran is necessary, the president must come to Congress to seek that authority,” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) said in a Senate speech. See the video here.
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“If the administration believes that any, any use of force against Iran is necessary, the president must come to Congress to seek that authority,†Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)
Yeah, but when he does, you’re going to fold like a cheap lawn chair.
February 14th, 2007 at 4:55 pmgonna attack Iran for sure now
February 14th, 2007 at 4:56 pmHillreh also said she would not take attacking Iran off the table to an AIPAC audience recently.
February 14th, 2007 at 4:57 pmMother may I – Attack Iran.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“It would be a mistake of historical proportion if the administration thought that the 2002 resolution authorizing force against Iraq was a blank check for the use of force against Iran without further congressional authorization,” Clinton said.
Hey, Hillary, IT IS ALREADY a mistake of historical proportion. The sad thing is that you havent said yes or no to that possible event.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:01 pmBut, hey, politicians know a lot more about world events than we the common people. Take Iraq for example.
Yeah, and then I will vote to give you the authority to do so–just in case the polls show most people want a bombing of Iran.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:05 pmFor various reasons, Hillary feels she has to be “tough” when it comes to military strength. I understand that. But what I don’t understand is why she is so hawkish. Today she spoke of Iran sounding like Bush was speaking out of her mouth.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:06 pmIs she trying to appeal to more centrist Republicans and is she abandoning the left-leaning Democrats? If Bush contrives another cockamamie scheme and attacks Iran, I think Hillary will back him, and that would be a mistake IMHO.
Nice words…. now let’s see how many of the cowards ( democrats in congress ) do show the same determination to stop just another historical, criminal blunder.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pmMeanwhile, Capture this headline for a moment.
Bush: Insurgents fighting American opinion
http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_topstories/~3/90688187/index.html
It SHOULD Read like this.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:08 pm:America: Insurgents fighting Bush opinion .
dont you think?
Her history of standing behind Bush on the Iraq war is not easily forgotten.
2003:
“I was thrilled that Saddam Hussein had finally been captured,” Hillary Clinton said in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. “Like many of you, I was glued to the television and the radio as I went about my daily business. We owe a great debt of gratitude to our troops, to the president, to our intelligence services, to all who had a hand in apprehending Saddam. Now he will be brought to justice, and we hope that the prospects for peace and stability in Iraq will improve.”
She is pure politician, thats for sure.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pmHer speech today shows that she believes in attacking Iran the same way Bush does. She’s Bush but pro-choice and tax breaks for the middle class. Bush-lite isn’t really what the voters are looking for right now.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:14 pmShe called Iran “a threat”. I’d have been okay with “potential threat”. But, it’s wrong to call them a threat unless you’re willing to call Pakistan a threat, since they have nuclear weapons and a radical Islamic element, or maybe call Israel a threat to Middle East peace, since they have over 100 nuclear weapons and could wreak havoc throughout the region. We’ve worked with Iran many times in recent years. They were very helpful and actually sympathetic to the U.S. right after 9/11. This situation could be defused by ratcheting down the rhetoric and engaging in direct talks with them.
Hillary is guided by a fear of being called unpatriotic or weak on defense. So, she’s going to act like Lieberman whether she really believes it’s right or not. We’ve got enough people in the Senate making idiotic decisions because they’re frightened of being called bad names. We don’t need one of them in the White House.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:16 pm#3 your comment:’Hillreh also said she would not take attacking Iran off the table to an AIPAC audience recently.’
Comment by .l
Heard that too, just re enforces my opinion of her as a war mongerer.
Obama is looking better all the time.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:17 pmstands up? i hope that’s tongue in cheek.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“Any, any use of force against Iran”. Sounds good to me. April 30 1970 Nixon ANNOUNCES INVASION of CAMBODIA. Imagine waking up to that in the Papers. All this Iran press attention has hopefully precluded a similar action….so far. Hillary is playing for all the marbles. I don’t know yet how carefull I want my president to be.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:31 pmI think the only way to stop Bushitler is for the Air Force to drop a daisy-cutter on the white house, while both bush & Cheney are in it.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmEvery Dem, in every public speach, should say those exact words. Do you doubt the Right would have a grasp on that?
February 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pmThe scene with Dennis Hopper and Isabella Rossellini in Blue Velvet comes to mind when he takes some deep breaths of amyl, nettles his throbbing head between her soft, silky thighs and cries: mommmyyy…?
February 14th, 2007 at 5:44 pmI love it! Hillary is jangling the carkeys at Bush and taunting him and making him wonder if he is going to be driving this shipwreck he created called America much longer.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:51 pmHillreh also said she would not take attacking Iran off the table to an AIPAC audience recently.
Comment by .l
I think someone said it. Politicians speak to audiences, and they tell the audiences what they want to hear. I’m not ready to buy into the Isreali influences on the US quite yet.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:55 pmAnother Hillary quote.
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.” — Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
I definately will not vote for Hillary.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:01 pmBush doesn’t NEED congressonal authority to attack Iran. If he trots out fabricated or unsubstantiated evidence that Iran is supplying the terrorists, then the authority congress already gave Bush to fight terrorism applies to Iran. You can argue what the spirit of the current Military Authorization says in court if someone will stand up to him, but in the meantime, the troops will be marching where Bush sends them. All he has to do is whip out the terror card, which seems to be exactly what he’s trying to do.
What congress has to do is revoke or reword that authority RIGHT NOW! Otherwise only Bush needs to be consulted if Bush wants to go to war.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:04 pmintelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and hisem>Wayne,I am no Hillary fan at all-Nada. However, “intelligance reports “. Maybe she and others should have known the reports were “fixed”. I blame them for giving him the authority to attack Iraq.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:15 pmH(Israel)llary is alienating herself from the mainstream of voters pissed off about the war.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:15 pmShe’s talking a good game, but when the time comes to stand up to W(armonger), she’ll rally round his flag.
Wayne,I am no Hillary fan at all-Nada. However, “intelligance reports “. Maybe she and others should have known the reports were “fixedâ€. I blame them for giving him the authority to attack Iraq.
Comment by Joefriday
Reports that were already discredited then. All she had to do is dig deeper, but she decided she wanted to be Hawk Hillary and went full blown in support ofthe Decider in Chimp. She has also been critical of those that were against the war from the beginning, Like Howard Dean. I do not trust the about face just as she decides to run for president. Look at her speeches before the Nov elections.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:22 pmNice speech there Hillary. Now say and do something NOW about Iraq and the war that IS going on.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:35 pmShe is a perfect politician.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Also as a side note, she was also a co-sponsor for the republican Flag Burning ammendments to the constitution that failed miserably.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pm#25 Except if your daily business is being stuck at a desk.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#27- That’s right. She has sided with the Repubs more often than not, in the past. And so did Bill with Bush, Sr., after Katrina. I think those two would LIKE to be Repubs. Now her past is catching up with her, prior to the runs.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pmShe should save her sanctimonious BS.A vote for her is a vote for war.
February 14th, 2007 at 6:55 pmDid BJ Clinton get Congressional authority under the War Powers Resolution to take action against the Serbs?
February 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmhttp://www.fas.org/man/crs/81-050.htm
February 14th, 2007 at 7:00 pmClinton was simply following the law, Tracy. All treaties entered into lawfully by the U.S. government are treated as federal law. Clinton committed the military to Europe in response to a NATO obligation. And, Clinton didn’t have to tell the American people any lies or manipulate and distort any intelligence. The facts were right out there. Bosnian Serbs were attempting the genocide of Bosnian Muslims. It was NATO’s job to stop the genocide and Clinton simply complied with a NATO request for our help.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:17 pmDid BJ Clinton get Congressional authority under the War Powers Resolution to take action against the Serbs?
Comment by Tracy
Subject is Hillary not Bill, Tracy.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe Serb action was to stop genocide,it was a rightous action.
Tracy, while we’re on the subject, let’s review: the war trials in Europe have confirmed that genocide was taking place and that the NATO action (with our help) stopped it. No American soldiers were killed in the action and the action was supported by every industrialized nation in the world including China, who’s embassy we mistakenly bombed. The Muslim community thanked us for our efforts in protecting Muslims. The war enhanced our standing in the world.
Can you site anything even remotely as successful with this illegal war your cult leader has lied us into? No, you can’t. The only thing you’ve got left is that Hussein doesn’t run things anymore but, oh oh, a huge majority of Iraqis themselves believe things were actually better before he was taken out. So why the hell are you even bringing Clinton up. It only serves to remind everyone of how competent he was and how incompetent your cult leader is.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmAnd the number of US Casualties in the Balkans…… ZERO. I just wish we would help them rebuild the Bridges we destroyed,.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:30 pmDid BJ Clinton get Congressional authority under the War Powers Resolution to take action against the Serbs? Comment by Tracy — February 14, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Did the GOP support him in those actions? Or did they dissent and try to stop the efforts despite NATO treaty obligations?
You know Tracy, the one thing we can always count on is Hypocrisy from you neocons. I think neocon is an unfair title, from where we sit, you’re con men through and through – no neo is involved.
Here are a few quotes from the GOP on the Kosovo affair.
Then there’s my favorite quote – from shrub himself!
In the double standards of George WitlessShrub Bush, Victory means an exit strategy that can be explained – except when he goes to war.
He he, thanks Tracy for the setup and opening. I appreciate your efforts in exposing the hypocrisy and anti-american attitudes of George Bush and yourself!
February 14th, 2007 at 7:36 pmTracy walked into a couple of haymakers.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:40 pm“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is.â€
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
In the double standards of George WitlessShrub Bush, Victory means an exit strategy that can be explained – except when he goes to war.
— ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Ironic, eh?
February 14th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI just don’t believe her.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:43 pmThe Serb action was to stop genocide,it was a rightous action.
Comment by Wayne
I know, off topic.
mmm…I am not so sure.
There is no such a thing as a humanitarian bombing.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:45 pmJuan: “There is no such a thing as a humanitarian bombing.”
So, you don’t believe military power should be used to stop genocide? When should it be used then?
February 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pmBluedog:
In the spring of 1999, again without UN approval, the US and NATO bombed Serbia for over 70 days, targeting civilian and industrial infrastructure, as well as Serbian media. This illegal bombing campaign was justified as a “humanitarian intervention” to prevent what Western Media claimed to be a campaign of Serbian ethnic cleansing of the Albanians from Kosovo.
However, up to the start of the US/NATO bombing campaign, around 2000 people on both the Serbian and Kosovar sides had been killed with around a hundred thousand internal refugees in Kosovo. The humanitarian crisis resulted after the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a terrorist organization known also to be active in the drug trade, had attacked several Serbian police stations. While the Serbian response to the terrorist attacks was harsh, it did not constitute ethnic cleansing, unlike the US supported murderous attacks by Turkey against the Kurds during the 1990’s (over 30,000 murdered), or the US sponsored systematic and relentless ethnic cleansing campaign of the Palestinians by Israel that has been going on for 55 years. It was only after the bombing started, however, that the humanitarian crisis dramatically got worse. Once bombs fell on Serbia, attacks against Kosovar Albanians increased and several thousand Kosovar Albanians were expelled to Macedonia and Albania. In fact, as has been noted by Chomsky, Wesley Clark, current presidential candidate and then NATO supreme commander, admitted that the exacerbation of the humanitarian crises once the bombing campaign had started was “entirely predictable. Despite the official intentions of the criminal assault on Serbia, the effect of the bombing campaign made things worse for the Kosovar Albanians and led to the destruction of much of Serbia.
February 14th, 2007 at 7:50 pmJuan, haven’t the war crimes trials of Bosnian Serbs proven that genocide was happening?
February 14th, 2007 at 7:56 pmhaven’t the war crimes trials of Bosnian Serbs proven that genocide was happening?
Comment by Bluedog49
Before or After NATO bombed?
Im not saying anything should not have done about what was happening. I think you have to use diplomacy and then force as an ultimate resource. If you bomb everybody, then you certainly will have a dead calm. Im describing that the genocide began after NATO´s bombings.
I know a lot of you have simpathy for Clinton, but the question that should be made for everybody is will you support every single one thing that that party or president did no matter what?
February 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pmStands up to Bush! What a joke – more like spreading a smokescreen to cover up her refusal to admit she made a mistake on the Iraq War resolution.
February 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThis is where her triangulation led her? How about doing something substantial about it? That’s right…there is nothing substantial about old Hill.
February 14th, 2007 at 8:22 pmquestion that should be made for everybody is will you support every single one thing that that party or president did no matter what?
Comment by Juan C
Nope, as you can see from my posts, I am critical of most anyone I think is wrong, Repuke or Democrat.
There have already been convictions in the trials for genocide. Yes, bombs kill anyone in range.
I still stand by the US supporting Nato action there. The Serbian action was to stop the genocide, bombs were dropped and some targets hit by mistake, but the genocide was stopped. This was an international action.
Too bad we never stepped in to stop the Genocide in Africa. Bush was too busy waging a war for his lies.
February 14th, 2007 at 8:26 pmIm not saying anything should not have done about what was happening. I think you have to use diplomacy and then force as an ultimate resource. Comment by Juan C — February 14, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
I don’t think anyone is going to disagree with your statement about the use of force. However diplomacy was being used, and there were mass and forced migrations occurring of Kosovo Albanians before the war ever started. There are also mass graves that have been found, as well as proof that grave tampering occurred from the Serbians when it became clear they were going to lose the campaign.
Most importantly, there is incontrovertible evidence of grave tampering and the removal of bodies by Serbian and Yugoslav troops; between 1,200 and 1,500 bodies were destroyed at Trepca mine.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword.htm
As of July 2001, the Serbian authorities had announced the discovery of four additional graves in Serbia with as many as 1,000 Kosovar Albanian bodies.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/kosovo/undword-03.htm
There was the beginnings of a genocide and ethnic cleansing happening. More ethnic cleansing that genocide most definitely. But both were occurring.
February 14th, 2007 at 8:30 pmA false flag like say, Israel attacks a carrier and Bush claims Iran did it, and Hillary will junk on the Bush war wagon again.
February 14th, 2007 at 9:02 pmHillary is also the one who is trying to censor video games.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 14, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Do you happen to recall the name or name(s) of the games she was trying to censor?
It wouldn`t have been around the time of that sick game called ” JFK Reloaded ” was it?
Not trying to incite a riot here, just asking Spudge_Boy,I cannot remember if that game was the catalyst for her wanting to censor. I recall even the Republicans having a problem with that game.
Have a good night.
February 14th, 2007 at 9:10 pmrachel, what is your point? I would be against her wanting to censor that lame-ass “Left Behind” game. Censorship is censorship.
February 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmGood Lord, TP, that wasn’t “standing up to him.”
How do you think Hillary will vote? Hmm? Yea all the way baby.
February 14th, 2007 at 9:20 pmDo you happen to recall the name or name(s) of the games she was trying to censor?
Comment by rachel kinnardi
All games Rachel. Its easy to find alot of references in “The Google”
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_Protection_Act
February 14th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Rachel, I know your intentions are good but Hill is the next Tipper.
February 14th, 2007 at 9:31 pmI hate to agree with Ron Paul but he is right (the only thing is Hill is very close politically to Ron Paul…I would think he would be a fan.)
February 14th, 2007 at 9:32 pm“…I was glued to the television and the radio as I went about my daily business.”
wow… even for a girl, that’s hard to do…
February 14th, 2007 at 9:36 pmbut i do know what she meant, speaking as a girl…
Wayne, (Smart) Valiant Venus:
Im not saying atrocities before bombings didnt occur. They did. My only concern is why Milosevic was allowed in power after these things were happening? And Im not saying that US should have taken care of this, but the UN. Milosevic was an IMF bulldog, in a socialits disguise, carrying around privatizations, etc. They did this guy, they knew it.
Please, tell me if Im wrong. I will read the links, btruthful, but Im interested in the causes of the conflict, can you provide those? Thanks.
February 14th, 2007 at 9:46 pmForgot to post a link…
February 14th, 2007 at 9:47 pmWayne and valiant venus (the smart one):
I know, Wayne, from your posts here what kind of people you are. It was not a comment intended to hurt, just what I thought it was needed, just in case.
Valiant, I was only saying that Milosevic was there with the allowance of IMF, cuz he was implementing privatizations. I would like to know more about the causes of the conflict, do you have some links?
February 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pmI would like to know more about the causes of the conflict, do you have some links?
Comment by Juan C
Here is a short history from the United Human Rights Council
I will look for more when I get a chance, leaving work and have to get some groceries on the way home =)
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/Genocide/bosnia_genocide.htm
February 14th, 2007 at 10:13 pmBluedog49,
China and Russia were against the Kosovo war. The serbs were defending their terrirtory from the Al-Qaeda backed KLA. Hamid Thaci was trained in Afghanistan by Al-Qaeda and Zarqawi was in Kossovo around 98/99.
The serbs did the right thing. Clinton, like Bush launched a war against Serbia. The reason they was France and Germany wanted control over Serbia via the EU. The Muslims weren’t gratefule for that act. In fact the KLA’s allies Al-Qaeda attacked yus on 9/11.
Nice try rewritting history.
Juan C school thse Clintobots!
February 14th, 2007 at 10:39 pmJuan C school thse Clintobots!
Comment by Bugs Bunny
Provide proof yourself.
February 14th, 2007 at 10:50 pmBack it up.
Genocide or “ethnic cleansing” is never the right thing.
The serbs did the right thing.
Comment by Bugs Bunny
Yeah, I mean, probably Al-Qaeda did the right thing on 9/11, too. Who in his sane mind can say that killing innocent people is remotely seen as the right thing?
February 14th, 2007 at 10:58 pmAnd I dont school anybody…Im here to learn.
February 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI can’t wait to vote for a woman for president. I said a woman, Hillary, not a femme-bot, Stepford, poll slave-lap dog.
February 14th, 2007 at 11:30 pmAnd I dont school anybody…Im here to learn.
Comment by Juan C
Good words Juan.
February 15th, 2007 at 1:46 am(I meant) Good words, Juan.
February 15th, 2007 at 1:50 amFEAR NOT, the comment was approved by her AIPAC handlers.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:09 amRabbit
troll alert.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:13 amthank you.
Hilary is ” A Woman scorned”
I would not vote for her she would be as Bad as a Thatcher
February 15th, 2007 at 9:09 amNO!! That is not how the Constitution works. Congress has the exclusive authority to declare war. They can’t give it to the President. So, saying that Bush “must come to Congress to seek that authority” is inviting Bush to ask for what Congress cannot give lawfully.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:58 amBut they do it anyway. And we send e-mails, write letters, make phone calls, get out in the street, give money, and elect new candidates, and they still do it anyway.
These folks need to move on with the bold “Iraq” statement that is pointless. Iran is what we ALL need to be focusing on right now.
February 15th, 2007 at 10:19 amtroll alert.
thank you.
Comment by Juan C
You are welcome,Juan.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:40 amI don’t favor this woman for President, but she really showed her strengths in this stand up to Bush….
jon….
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February 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmhillary has proved herself to be a rightwing dem;
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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=72&ItemID=12120
February 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pmi may be the only one here but I’ll say it again
Fug you Hillary!
February 15th, 2007 at 4:32 pmI do not think hillary is right for the leader of this country. If we had so much problems with the first clinton, why would we put in another.
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