Comments on: ‘24′ cuts down on torture scenes. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:36:37 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: stanman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1764575 stanman Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:15:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1764575 There have been instances where torture has stopped terrorist attacks. Brian Ross, a highly respected investigative reporter with ABC has reported that 14 top Al Queda agents have been broken by torture. A dozen plots have been stopped to include an airline attack on the tallest building in L.A. Sorry guys, but it works and it may be the reason thousands of people in L.A. are alive right now. There have been instances where torture has stopped terrorist attacks. Brian Ross, a highly respected investigative reporter with ABC has reported that 14 top Al Queda agents have been broken by torture. A dozen plots have been stopped to include an airline attack on the tallest building in L.A.
Sorry guys, but it works and it may be the reason thousands of people in L.A. are alive right now.

]]> By: Akkam’s Razor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1764375 Akkam’s Razor Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:40:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1764375 [...] Think Progress » ‘24′ cuts down on torture scenes. “Executive Producer Howard Gordon claimed that the change was not due pressure from the military, but rather because it had become cliché. “What was once an extraordinary or exceptional moment is starting to feel a little trite.” (tags: irony torture newscorp jackbauer joelsurnow howardgordon 24) [...] [...] Think Progress » ‘24′ cuts down on torture scenes. “Executive Producer Howard Gordon claimed that the change was not due pressure from the military, but rather because it had become cliché. “What was once an extraordinary or exceptional moment is starting to feel a little trite.” (tags: irony torture newscorp jackbauer joelsurnow howardgordon 24) [...]

]]> By: Make Them Accountable / Media http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1763481 Make Them Accountable / Media Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:03:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1763481 [...] ‘24′ cuts down on torture scenes. The Fox TV series ‘24′ will include fewer torture scenes in its final episodes this season. Executive Producer Howard Gordon claimed that the change was not due pressure from the military, but rather because it had become cliché. “What was once an extraordinary or exceptional moment is starting to feel a little trite. The idea of physical coercion or torture is no longer a novelty or surprise,” Gordon said. That last sentence highlights the very problem with “novelty” or shock programming—that its shelf life is limited.  Just as addictive substances require ever larger doses to feel the high, shock programming requires ever escalating shock value.  Bear that in mind the next time you wonder why so much television programming shows the most debased human activity. [...] [...] ‘24′ cuts down on torture scenes. The Fox TV series ‘24′ will include fewer torture scenes in its final episodes this season. Executive Producer Howard Gordon claimed that the change was not due pressure from the military, but rather because it had become cliché. “What was once an extraordinary or exceptional moment is starting to feel a little trite. The idea of physical coercion or torture is no longer a novelty or surprise,” Gordon said. That last sentence highlights the very problem with “novelty” or shock programming—that its shelf life is limited.  Just as addictive substances require ever larger doses to feel the high, shock programming requires ever escalating shock value.  Bear that in mind the next time you wonder why so much television programming shows the most debased human activity. [...]

]]> By: A Hermit http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1759861 A Hermit Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:21:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1759861 "he idea of physical coercion or torture is no longer a novelty or surprise,”... Well...Mission accomplished then... “he idea of physical coercion or torture is no longer a novelty or surprise,”…

Well…Mission accomplished then…

]]> By: Misc http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1758208 Misc Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:10:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1758208 Stanman, There's really no way not to call a spade a spade: What a truly ignorant, stupid comment you just made. The chances of your scenario playing out, with torture having been the solution, are basically nil. Clearly, though, the very idea of some imaginary terrorist laughing at you is cause enough for you to promote torturing people (regardless of any evidence of guilt). Only someone who has never suffered a damned thing in his life, and has a severely deformed sense of morality, could believe what you evidently do. You're up there with the racist I-RIGHT-I in my book. Stanman,
There’s really no way not to call a spade a spade:
What a truly ignorant, stupid comment you just made.

The chances of your scenario playing out, with torture having been the solution, are basically nil.

Clearly, though, the very idea of some imaginary terrorist laughing at you is cause enough for you to promote torturing people (regardless of any evidence of guilt).

Only someone who has never suffered a damned thing in his life, and has a severely deformed sense of morality, could believe what you evidently do. You’re up there with the racist I-RIGHT-I in my book.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1757382 Bluedog49 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:32:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1757382 Or how about this, Stanman: have them showing us torturing the guy, him giving us bogus info, the bomb going off anyway and the terrorist still laughing because he wasn't about to tell them anything under any circumstances no matter what we did to him. Or, how about this: show us torturing the wrong guy, who really does have no information, and the terrorist laughing because the bomb went off anyway. Or, we could remain consistent with our stated values, follow our own laws and use a fraction of the money we spend on your cult leader's wars of choice to shore up our own defenses. Or how about this, Stanman: have them showing us torturing the guy, him giving us bogus info, the bomb going off anyway and the terrorist still laughing because he wasn’t about to tell them anything under any circumstances no matter what we did to him. Or, how about this: show us torturing the wrong guy, who really does have no information, and the terrorist laughing because the bomb went off anyway.

Or, we could remain consistent with our stated values, follow our own laws and use a fraction of the money we spend on your cult leader’s wars of choice to shore up our own defenses.

]]> By: justme http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1757310 justme Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:22:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1757310 Bawwring, bawwring, bawwring. Torture is so mainstream now that we can't even use it for shock value. Great. Bawwring, bawwring, bawwring. Torture is so mainstream now that we can’t even use it for shock value. Great.

]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1757278 Raymond Funamoto Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:18:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1757278 Some movie titles for Bushland Uber Alies and the producers of "24" to ponder: THE TORTURE CHAMBER OF DR. SADISM(1967)inspired by Cheney TORTURE GARDEN(1967)inspired by CHIMPya THE TORTURE CHAMBER OF BARON BLOOD(1969)inspired by Cheney THE INCREDIBLE TORTURE SHOW(1976)inspired by Gonzales CHINESE TORTURE CHAMBER STORY(1995)inspired by Hu Jin-tao DR. TARR'S TORTURE DUNGEON(1973)inspired by John Yoo DON'T TORTURE A DUCKLING(1972)inspired by John Ashcroft THE INCREDIBLE TORTURE SHOW(1976)inspired by CHIMPya TOMB OF TORTURE(1963)inspired by David Addington Some movie titles for Bushland Uber Alies and the producers of “24″ to ponder:
THE TORTURE CHAMBER OF DR. SADISM(1967)inspired by Cheney
TORTURE GARDEN(1967)inspired by CHIMPya
THE TORTURE CHAMBER OF BARON BLOOD(1969)inspired by Cheney
THE INCREDIBLE TORTURE SHOW(1976)inspired by Gonzales
CHINESE TORTURE CHAMBER STORY(1995)inspired by Hu Jin-tao
DR. TARR’S TORTURE DUNGEON(1973)inspired by John Yoo
DON’T TORTURE A DUCKLING(1972)inspired by John Ashcroft
THE INCREDIBLE TORTURE SHOW(1976)inspired by CHIMPya
TOMB OF TORTURE(1963)inspired by David Addington

]]> By: stanman http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1756801 stanman Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:16:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1756801 I have an idea, instead of showing torture on 24, how about choosing not to torture a known terrorist for information and then millions of people die because no intel was received and then the known terrorist laughing because he knew all along. I have an idea, instead of showing torture on 24, how about choosing not to torture a known terrorist for information and then millions of people die because no intel was received and then the known terrorist laughing because he knew all along.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1755980 Bluedog49 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:47:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1755980 "What have we become?" Wait, wait, I know. Is it... "fascists?" “What have we become?”

Wait, wait, I know. Is it… “fascists?”

]]> By: Marcella http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1754776 Marcella Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:22:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1754776 Torture is so trite? What have we become? Torture is so trite? What have we become?

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1754494 Jay Randal Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:00:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1754494 Frank Zappa was my next door neighbor when I was a child in California. I was about 4&5 and he was 17&18 at the time. I remember playing out front near the street and he picked me up to take me back to my mother. He would play the drums loudly and neighborhood would complain to his parents. They moved away after he graduated from Claremont High School. Frank Zappa was my next door neighbor when I was a child in California. I was about 4&5 and he was 17&18 at the time. I remember playing out front near the street and he picked me up to take me back to my mother. He would play the drums loudly and neighborhood would complain to his parents. They moved away after he graduated from Claremont High School.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1754327 Bluedog49 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:47:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1754327 I may be vile and pernicious But you can't look away. I make you think I'm delicious With the stuff that I say. I'm the best you can get. Have you guessed me yet? I'm the slime oozin out Of your TV set. --- Frank Zappa, "I'm the Slime" I may be vile and pernicious
But you can’t look away.
I make you think I’m delicious
With the stuff that I say.
I’m the best you can get.
Have you guessed me yet?
I’m the slime oozin out
Of your TV set.

— Frank Zappa, “I’m the Slime”

]]> By: GSD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1754119 GSD Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:32:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1754119 The other creepy as hell aspect is that the Pentagon feels they should tell TV producers how their programs should be. -GSD The other creepy as hell aspect is that the Pentagon feels they should tell TV producers how their programs should be.

-GSD

]]> By: GSD http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1754062 GSD Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:30:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1754062 24 has helped to define governmental deviance downward to the point that it is acceptable to John and Jane Public, Mission Accomplished. Now on to defining comedy downward with the lame 1/2 Comedy Schtick. -GSD 24 has helped to define governmental deviance downward to the point that it is acceptable to John and Jane Public, Mission Accomplished.

Now on to defining comedy downward with the lame 1/2 Comedy Schtick.

-GSD

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1753353 Jay Randal Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:52:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1753353 I never watch FOX programs, so I could care less what crap they show. I never watch FOX programs, so I could care less what crap they show.

]]> By: Hamilton Lovecraft http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1753262 Hamilton Lovecraft Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:47:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1753262 Mission accomplished. Mission accomplished.

]]> By: Liberal in New Mexico http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1753124 Liberal in New Mexico Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:33:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1753124 Having thier nuts in a vise or being slapped around and whipped like a dog on all fours sounds a lot like foreplay to them, I'll bet. Having thier nuts in a vise or being slapped around and whipped like a dog on all fours sounds a lot like foreplay to them, I’ll bet.

]]> By: Misc http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1753107 Misc Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:32:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1753107 Spudge boy, That's a start. Spudge boy,
That’s a start.

]]> By: lw http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/comment-page-1/#comment-1753085 lw Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:30:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/15/24-cuts-down-on-torture-scenes/#comment-1753085 Yeah, torture is just no longer cutting edge. Everyone who's anyone is doing it nowadays. Ho hum. You know, here's what I want to know. With all the moral indignation expressed about "Hollywood values" and lack of morality in movies and TV shows, why is torture on TV considered acceptable and a bare female breast considered outrageous? We are one really screwed up society. Yeah, torture is just no longer cutting edge. Everyone who’s anyone is doing it nowadays. Ho hum.

You know, here’s what I want to know. With all the moral indignation expressed about “Hollywood values” and lack of morality in movies and TV shows, why is torture on TV considered acceptable and a bare female breast considered outrageous?

We are one really screwed up society.

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