Gore unveils Live Earth.
By on Feb 15th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
Gore unveils Live Earth.
“Al Gore announced on Thursday a series of worldwide concerts to focus on the threat of climate change, with a powerhouse lineup from the Red Hot Chili Peppers to Snoop Dogg to Bon Jovi.” The 24-hour event on 7/07/07 is part of a campaign called Save Our Selves (SOS) — The Campaign for a Climate in Crisis. “In order to solve the climate crisis, we have to reach billions of people,” Gore said today. “The climate crisis will only be stopped by an unprecedented and sustained global movement.”
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Good for Gore!
February 15th, 2007 at 8:30 pmDon’t get me wrong, I love Al Gore, but I have to ask: how many frigging resources is this concert going to consume?
Aren’t we trying to be better stewards of the planet?
February 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pm#3
Haha. Good one spudge.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:34 pmEveryone beware, some neocon troll is commenting over people’s names.
See TP’s previous post.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:36 pm#5
Good to know. Thanks
February 15th, 2007 at 8:37 pmJust so you know — This is my first comment on this thread.
–Zoo
February 15th, 2007 at 8:40 pmI love Al Gore.
Thomas Jefferson, a man with many professions in addition to being President, would be proud… (hint. hint, Al :)
February 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pmOscar-nominated (”I Need to Wake Up”) singer/songwriter Melissa Etheridge is also on board. Her tour last summer was one of several that used the “veggie-oil-fueled” buses to wheel their rock show across the country.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:43 pmWill it piss off the evangelical right wing bible thumping republicans like Daryll to know that an evil Democrat has taken the date of 777, their made up Jeebus number?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 15, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
What DOESN’T piss Daryll off about the left? : D
As soon as he accepts that he is gay, he’ll calm down…
February 15th, 2007 at 8:44 pm#1, 5 and 7 are not me.
But we are dealing with some f*cking pathetic limpdick troll. Just ignore this turd, it will slither back to where it came from soon enough.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:45 pmAs soon as he accepts that he is gay, he’ll calm down…
Comment by unbelievable
Hahaha. Exactly.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:46 pmRE: #2….Now there..is a ….STUPID….comment.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:46 pmCommenters like this cannot, will not, see the bigger picture. They clutch on to anything….however small and ridiculous to bolster their point and/or divert from the big picture. Any reasonable person knows we ( Gore included) must consume energy in various ways, as we try to solve this crisis. I suggest the commenter turn off his/her heat, quit driving immediately, and quit taking showers and using electricity……NOW. What an IDIOT. If I sound pissed I am. And I am TIRED of this kind of idiocy. 6 years of it has been far too much.
I see we have another reject troll hijacking names. I suppose he or she is on Bush’s payroll. Don’t these people have Iraqi civilians to massacre?
February 15th, 2007 at 8:47 pm#2 – exactly! Great cause and all, but it’ll be kinda hard to take musicians seriously, if they step off an airplane and start talking about climate change.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:47 pmsee we have another reject troll hijacking names. I suppose he or she is on Bush’s payroll. Don’t these people have Iraqi civilians to massacre?
Comment by NOT unbelieveable — February 15, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
Obviously not me, I know how to spell unbelievable…
Besides, you’re only supposed to acknowledge/name jack me on Tuesdays. Today is Thursday.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:53 pm#11 & 12 — Not me.
#7 — is me.
–Zoo
February 15th, 2007 at 8:57 pmYeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bushies haven’t’ paid groups to “research” how to effectively disrupt these discussions and paid others to implement the plan Here’s a hypothetical: Their plan: 1. Break the bonds between posters by causing confusion over whom is whom. 2. This causes distrust between posters through confusion and stops meaningful communication. 3. Disrupt the flow and development of ideas and discussion so that consensus cannnot be effectively reached…thus diffuse the power of the left blogs. Keep them divided ….don’t allow them to unite through mutual agreement.
And if you think I’m paranoid, just look at our government and what they have stooped to in many areas. The idea, on their part would be, to not let these blogs gain steam and become a united voice. One of the things that makes me most angry about the last 6 years is the tragic way Rove and friends have consciously turned American against American. They have stoked the fires and made us believe we, what ever side, are each other’s enemies when all along….guess who the real enemy has been??? My humble opinion.
The cure? Ignore any ridiculous comments and keep track of the thread of the discussion by answering the last reasonable comment you see. Easy. Don’t fall for it.
February 15th, 2007 at 8:57 pmI’m looking forward to this! With Al’s clout, me thinks the lineups are going to be awesome. And for the biggest cause that I can think of today other than Iraq.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pmHere is a question and I am by no means dissing Al Gore. Why is it that Democrats who have held high office seem to do their best work AFTER they leave office. Think Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton among others. Good and Important work. Just a thought. And I do hope Al wins the Nobel for Peace. It would be appropiate.
stop bashing Al! at least he has the balls to lose an election he should have one and still remain in the spotlight for a cause that is the opposite of selfish
February 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pmThis, I believe, is an example of a dishonest and paid governmental troll type post. Or…it’s just another dumb as dirt neocon.
Here is # 15’s post:
“#2 – exactly! Great cause and all, but it’ll be kinda hard to take musicians seriously, if they step off an airplane and start talking about climate change.”
Comment by Nik — February 15, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
February 15th, 2007 at 9:01 pm#7 & #18 — Not me!!!!!
I wrote #7! Stop it you troll!
-Zoo
February 15th, 2007 at 9:04 pmoh, yeah.
Dude KNOWS how to run for President… by BEING & DEMONSTRATING what a Leader should BE…
ThisCanadian would be THRILLED if Al Gore was our next door neighbour! Now if you guys would only FIND A WAY TO ELECT HIM.
oh please! PLEASE elect Al Gore…
please? with sugar on top??
come on, you’re turning me into Yogi the Bear, here!
BTW: today, Canada started teetering back towards Kyoto… looks like a Minority Harper gov’t might actually work if we can keep his giblets over the candle for a while… just to remind him not to be so cosy with the Cheney/Bush/Rovian hoard & their money-fuelled, nearly patentable, smear campaigns…
Why is it the Americans never give David Suzuki any props?
Spread Love…
… but wear the Glove!
BlueBerry Pick’n
February 15th, 2007 at 9:04 pmcan be found @
ThisCanadian
“Silent Freedom is Freedom Silenced“
#2 – exactly! Great cause and all, but it’ll be kinda hard to take musicians seriously, if they step off an airplane and start talking about climate change.
While we are at it, let’s talk about the waste that goes on in the movie industry. I get ill just thinking about it. All that crap consumed and for what? Entertainment? So we can be couch potatoes and distract ourselves every evening?
We need to change our ways.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:07 pm#7 & #18 — Not me!!!!!
I wrote #7! Stop it you troll!
-Zoo
Comment by Zooey
STFU
February 15th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI emailed Faiz bout the name jacking and begged for registration… :)
February 15th, 2007 at 9:09 pmAl Gore unnerves the cons…
February 15th, 2007 at 9:11 pmYeah, he really does. They all go scurrying for their rat hole when he speaks. Because its hard to deny what he says.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:14 pm#23 – eh, no, I vote because I like to decide who rules my country, but I’m more of a leftist anarchist, actually.
Yes, sometimes it’s necessary to burn fuel if it gets the message out, but as far as I know, airplanes are one of the greatest polluters – so it’s not far-fetched to think that someone would say “Cut back on flying” from the stage – but if they themselves had taken the plane to the gig?
If you think my remark was so stupid, then just tell me why.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:14 pmI’m so going to this concert. Red Hot Chili Peppers AND Snoop Dogg (I’ll skip out on the Bon Jovi). The only thing that could make this concert even better is if Jimi Hendrix came back to life and if the Wu-Tang Clan made a surprise appearance.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pm#2- I would imagine Gore is footing the bill for whatever resources his campaign needs and uses. I also imagine this series of concerts to be worth whatever the inconvenience may be, just to get the message out there and make it a very visible issue.
#30- Gore DOES unnerve the cons. They just don’t know how to take his rapier wit and intellect. They end up stumbling all over each other to try and appear “wise” and on top of things.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:22 pmNik, the only way to reach a large number of people is to be in many places in short period of time to deliver a powerful punch. It is in order to get the message out in one piece. The 24 hour period is not by accident. And the medium they have chosen, and I agree with it, is a powerful one. Live people and live music. This is more effective than sending emails, doing TV, or radio. It gets one’s attention and communicates much more directly. so,art is powerful. How do you think they are going to transport these people around the globe in a short time without airplanes? It’s like saying don’t play with matches in the barn, as the barn burns. If we don’t act and unite , and fast, we are OVER. I cannot see any other way to get a live, powerful message out without flying people where they need to be.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:25 pmIt is true that Gore is a great con silencer.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:26 pm777: Progressives take on threat of global warming.
666: Conservatives see conflict with Iran as fulfilment of bibical prophecy.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:30 pm666: Conservatives see conflict with Iran as fulfilment of bibical prophecy.
Comment by Angry One — February 15, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Anyone who thinks a man should have been nailed to a cross to bleed to death in order to save all of mankind from eternal damnation simply because two people once ate a piece of fruit really can’t be taken seriously…
The whole Armageddon nonsense included…
February 15th, 2007 at 9:36 pm37
Lemme guess…that prophecy consisted of 216 letters, right?
February 15th, 2007 at 9:37 pmi hate people who impersonate… hope nobody impersonates
jimbo dude… i’m the coolest dude in the universe, like dig man
i mean dudes/dudettes
i’m ultimate coolness
and it ain’t me impersonating anyone… just an average dude
just hangin and chillin
February 15th, 2007 at 9:40 pm38
Come on, that fruit contained knowledge. You know how the church feels about people knowing stuff, and thinking for themselves.
February 15th, 2007 at 9:46 pmFor example, if people are interested in a discussion that goes somewhere ( fun personal exchanges included) the kinds of posts to ignore, my view of course, are:
February 15th, 2007 at 9:49 pm#’s
28 and 40
just so everyone knows….
i’m an average guy who finds http://www.thinkprogress.org interesting…
i thought public servants were just that, however lately the blinders
have been opened.
i prefer to remain anonymous, just me… i don’t know if everyone knows
one another, but i will guarntee you, i am about average american as
can be with absolutely no political connections, whatsoever… infact
don’t even vote.
and you definitely won’t find me watching tv or listening to any of the
rah rah’s… once a story go on more than a few days, i see the headline
sentence and that’s it.
i’m just an average cool DUDE who prefers anonyimity and is awesomely
February 15th, 2007 at 10:01 pmtotally cool :)
To all complaining of the concerts themselves wasting resources, you should actually read the page linked to:
“All Live Earth venues will be designed and constructed by a groundbreaking team of sustainability engineers and advisors directed by John Picard. This greening team will address the environmental and energy management concerns of each concert site, as well as the operations of sponsors, partners, and other Live Earth affiliates.”
“Each venue will not only be designed to maintain a minimum environmental impact, but will showcase the latest state-of-the-art energy efficiency, on-site power generation, and sustainable facilities management practices.”
February 15th, 2007 at 10:06 pm#43-
February 15th, 2007 at 10:07 pmSo w’d'ya want ? A date?
28 and 40
Comment by s
Sorry s, #28 was me expressing frustration with the name-hijacker.
–Zooey
February 15th, 2007 at 10:08 pmSpudge_Boy,
February 15th, 2007 at 10:08 pmWhy in this thread are you not linking to your page? Harassment?
#45 – Liberal in New Mexico,
February 15th, 2007 at 10:11 pmHow about 9/11? It worked for W.
#46….yes, sorry. I misread that.
February 15th, 2007 at 10:16 pmWhen I think what might have been if Gore had ascended the Presidency instead of Chimpy stealing it, I imagine this country as a great, leading nation and not the second class prostitute she has become. It blows my mind to realize how close we came to being such a class act. I don’t know if we’ll ever overcome this administration and the negative impact it has left on our honor and credibility. At least, not in my life time.
February 15th, 2007 at 10:21 pm#43-
So w’d’ya want ? A date?
Comment by Liberal in New Mexico
ahh boy, that made me laugh, thanks LINM
February 15th, 2007 at 10:26 pm“#
Good for Gore!
Comment by Zooey — February 15, 2007 @ 8:30 pm”
You’re as big a kook as algore is!
February 15th, 2007 at 10:31 pm“#
Don’t get me wrong, I love Al Gore, but I have to ask: how many frigging resources is this concert going to consume?
Aren’t we trying to be better stewards of the planet?
Comment by George — February 15, 2007 @ 8:31 pm”
Do you realize what a bunch of fools you people look like? Earth warming? We have 8 feet of snow in upstate New York!
February 15th, 2007 at 10:33 pmYou’re as big a kook as algore is!
Comment by michael
The name was hijacked retard.
February 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pmI think we just found our hijacker Zooey.
Yep. Hes a match.
Hey Michael, why not fu*k off and die turdsucker. I would suggest you leave Zooey alone or I will make it my SOLE mission in life to fu*k with you relentlessly until you get so tired of me and cannot even post anymore, that you will end up throwing your computer out a 120 story hi-rise apartment building.
February 15th, 2007 at 10:53 pmDo you realize what a bunch of fools you people look like? Earth warming? We have 8 feet of snow in upstate New York!
Comment by michael — February 15, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
It’s cold today so global warming can’t be real…… You’re a real genius, michael.
February 15th, 2007 at 10:55 pmThink Progress really sucks these days.
We should all simply leave for a week. You bet your ass they’d clean up their sh*t, then.
I only came back because of a nice email, and once again I see juvenile behavior that
THINK PROGRESS
will not address.
Time to leave in droves. Let their reputation go down the sh*tter…………………….
February 15th, 2007 at 10:56 pmso has Tipper Gore chilled on her deal about profane lyrics now that Al is hangin with Snoop Dog?
February 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pmTP sucks, Part II:
They are about as responsive to us as the
BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pmDo you realize what a bunch of fools you people look like? Earth warming? We have 8 feet of snow in upstate New York!
Comment by michael — February 15, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Hey A$$ hole- Today in Mene Grande Venezuela it was 95 degrees F-So now you know what a fool looks like-check your mirror.
BTW your are the biggest a$$ hole troll ever to visit this site. Some real simple $hit for morons–The Earth orbits the Sun-it is an Ellipse-kinda like a Nascar track. The Earth is tilted on its axis(not the evil one) to the sun. This causes the “Seasons”. So while it is cold in the Northern hemisphere it is hotter than $hit in the Southern. This I know is real hard for you brain damaged to assimilate.
BTW, I double dog dare you to post one link to prove anything you believe. You retards really crack me up. Look son- grow up. Little chicken $hits like you are a dime a dozen.
Chicken $hit-little chicken $hit-Come on -talk real he man now-you little freak.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:10 pm“Hey Michael, why not fu*k off and die turdsucker. I would suggest you leave Zooey alone or I will make it my SOLE mission in life to fu*k with you relentlessly until you get so tired of me and cannot even post anymore, that you will end up throwing your computer out a 120 story hi-rise apartment building.
Comment by Michael is the Jacker Zooey! — February 15, 2007 @ 10:53 pm”
Ha ha ha ha! I think you are new here? Get tired of you? Maybe out of boredom. Certainly not our of being outdone by an amateur like you. Give it your best?
February 15th, 2007 at 11:13 pm“It’s cold today so global warming can’t be real…… You’re a real genius, michael.
Comment by getoutahere — February 15, 2007 @ 10:55 pm”
And I suppose a genius like you can explain in your own words, without referring us to some leftwing website, why we should be concerned with global warming? Give it a shot!
February 15th, 2007 at 11:15 pm“You bet your ass they’d clean up their sh*t, then”
What do you mean by cleaning up their Sh*t?
February 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmhmmmm, a planet that can sustain human life may be in my interest afterall
February 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pmtrend/–noun 1. the general course or prevailing tendency; drift: trends in the teaching of foreign languages; the trend of events.
This may be hard for you to grasp, michael, so if you have trouble understanding, just raise your hand and the Special Education Aide will be around to help you.
It’s the trend, you idiot!
One day does not make or break a theory.
That’s why scientists do studies. They gather research. Tons of it. The evidence shows that it’s happening.
I’ve said it before, and I’m dead serious about this proposal:
If you don’t believe it’s happening, I have a lovely vacation spot on Cape Cod, about 1 and 1/2 miles from the beach. I’ll sell it to you. 2/1/fin.base./firep/shed
Put your money where your mouth is, or keep it shut.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:25 pmAnd I suppose a genius like you can explain in your own words, without referring us to some leftwing website, why we should be concerned with global warming? Give it a shot!
Comment by Michael — February 15, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
That is easy-GFUS-AFB-DS-RETARD.Don’t forget to post links to your deranged beliefs. When you grow up come on back.
BTW-Michale- why do you hate non whites and Christians? Why if your so superior to most you spend hours upon hours on this blog? Do you have any friends? Any women in your life? Kinda sucks to just have this huh? Are you going to be “Left behind”?
February 15th, 2007 at 11:27 pm“Today in Mene Grande Venezuela it was 95 degrees”
SO WHAT! It’s summer there! It gets close to 100 degrees here in Sacramento in the summer. It has for YEARS!
“BTW your are the biggest a$$ hole troll ever to visit this site”
Really? How about providing an INTELLIGENT reason why you feel that way, if you can.
“So while it is cold in the Northern hemisphere it is hotter than $hit in the Southern. This I know is real hard for you brain damaged to assimilate.
It’s been like this for decades. In case I’m missing something that has changed recently I’m sure your expertise on this subject will set me straight.
“BTW, I double dog dare you to post one link to prove anything you believe”
Ah? That’s where you are WRONG! I’m challenging you NUTS to back up your contention that while it snows in Malibu the earth is experiencing global warming. You are making the statement and I am challenging you to PROVE IT! I don’t have to provide anything! If you can’t prove what you say, you’re the fool!
“Look son- grow up. Little chicken $hits like you are a dime a dozen”
Really? Considering the nonsense you just posted, I’m about to have some fun at your expense!
February 15th, 2007 at 11:28 pmI’m a homo!
February 15th, 2007 at 11:29 pm“That’s why scientists do studies. They gather research. Tons of it. The evidence shows that it’s happening”
Scientists? Many don’t agree. How about providing us a list of those that do and their specialties?
“Put your money where your mouth is, or keep it shut”
Shut up if I don’t purchase your property? I live in the high Sierras. I wouldn’t touch property on the East coast. But shut up? Don’t hold your breath!
February 15th, 2007 at 11:33 pmReally? Considering the nonsense you just posted, I’m about to have some fun at your expense!
Comment by michael — February 15, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Well-Liittle $hit -get it on!
I am waiting.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:34 pm“That is easy-GFUS-AFB-DS-RETARD.Don’t forget to post links to your deranged beliefs. When you grow up come on back.
BTW-Michale- why do you hate non whites and Christians? Why if your so superior to most you spend hours upon hours on this blog? Do you have any friends? Any women in your life? Kinda sucks to just have this huh? Are you going to be “Left behind�
Comment by Joefriday — February 15, 2007 @ 11:27 pm”
Hey Joe? Do you feel proud of what you just posted above? You really didn’t say anything. I don’t have to post links to my beliefs; I’m challenging yours and obviously you can’t back them up.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:36 pm“Well-Liittle $hit -get it on!
I am waiting.
Comment by Joefriday — February 15, 2007 @ 11:34 pm”
I just did and obviously you were not able to respond.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:37 pmBTW-Michale- why do you hate non whites and Christians? Why if your so superior to most you spend hours upon hours on this blog? Do you have any friends? Any women in your life? Kinda sucks to just have this huh? Are you going to be “Left behind�
Comment by Joefriday — February 15, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
Do…you …have…an…answer? That is as S…L…O..w.. as I can go. How brain damaged R….U…?
February 15th, 2007 at 11:38 pmHey Joe? Do you feel proud of what you just posted above? You really didn’t say anything. I don’t have to post links to my beliefs; I’m challenging yours and obviously you can’t back them up.
Comment by michael — February 15, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Yes-Your a racist-a hate filled loser. And of course you can’t post or link to back up anything-Your nothing..I repeat..a loser. and you know it. Spit out your bile-nothing changes-you have nothing.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pmhttp://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=all&edition=i&q=global+warming&go.x=20&go.y=6
That’s just from the BBC, michael.
I’ll need to get to the scientific journals, but just FYI -
no one has been able to dispute their findings.
No One.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmMean surface temperature 1850-2006. Shows yearly averages which vary significantly from the 5 year rolling average. So variation around the trend remains significant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png
February 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pm“How brain damaged R….U…?”
Whoooooo! What a comeback that was! My likes or dislikes, or whether I have friends, girlfriends or not has NOTHING to do with global warming! I know that this is the typical loser liberal response when they are challenged to backup their beliefs, but you won’t get away with that strategy with me!
February 15th, 2007 at 11:44 pmjust did and obviously you were not able to respond.
Comment by michael — February 15, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
February 15th, 2007 at 11:46 pmNo you didn’t..You really are deranged aren’t you? You seem to be a really sad excuse for a person. Your filled with hate…do you ever have any fun?–maybe you drown little dogs??
Scientists? Many don’t agree. How about providing us a list of those that do and their specialties?
What does ‘many’ mean? Do they publish peer reviewed papers with their evidence or do they just quote Michael Crichton? Your turn to back up your assertion. You need names, sonny, and a list of papers they have published. Otherwise your statement holds no value in this debate.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:47 pmhttp://www.nature.com/search/executeSearch?sp-q=global%2Bwarming&sp-c=10&sp-x-9=cat&sp-s=date&submit=go&sp-a=sp1001702d&sp-sfvl-field=subject%7Cujournal&sp_x_1=ujournal&sp-x-1=ujournal
These results are from Nature…. it’s a Science Magazine, michael.
February 15th, 2007 at 11:53 pmTry to keep up with the rest of us, please.
Whoooooo! What a comeback that was! My likes or dislikes, or whether I have friends, girlfriends or not has NOTHING to do with global warming!
Thank you, and I am glad you now know about “Global climate Change” This has been really great educating you on the subject.
Now we need to work on you wearing those white sheets on your head with the little cut outs for your eyes.
So how white is your skin–on a scale 1(very-very-white) to 10 (kinda dark)-where R U?
BTW-Do you or your mother starch your sheets you wear?
February 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmJust asking.
http://search2.google.cit.nih.gov/search?site=NIH_Master&client=NIH_frontend&proxystylesheet=NIH_frontend&output=xml_no_dtd&filter=0&getfields=*&q=global+warming&btnG.x=11&btnG.y=7
Here are some search results from the NIH………
Hey, isn’t that a Government Site???
Crazy conspiracy theorists…….
February 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pm“No you didn’t..You really are deranged aren’t you? You seem to be a really sad excuse for a person. Your filled with hate…do you ever have any fun?–maybe you drown little dogs??
Comment by Joefriday — February 15, 2007 @ 11:46 pm”
Wow Joe! Do you realize that you are putting your debating skills on display here and with a non response like that, you would get a big fat F! You said NOTHING to support your belief that we are experiencing global warming.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amThe IPCC Third Annual Report says: “…global average water vapour concentration and precipitation are projected to increase during the 21st century. By the second half of the 21st century, it is likely that precipitation will have increased over northern mid- to high latitudes and Antarctica in winter. At low latitudes there are both regional increases and decreases over land areas. Larger year to year variations in precipitation are very likely over most areas where an increase in mean precipitation is projected”
Hmm Third IPCC report implies that warming increases evaporation which increase rainfall and snowfall. Can’t say that Lake Oswego has the ’smoking gun’ with that statement, but equally, a extra cold day or two in Chicago is no trend.
So human nature: when we are thinking about buying a car, we always seem to see lots of them on the streets all of a sudden. Methinks that some of this psychology is going on here: extra cold days and the Drudges of the world come out from under their rocks, several hotter than usual days and likewise, we start thinking about climate change. There is no recourse but to stick to the facts and look at the best conclusions there are based on those facts – its called the scientific method, there’s no belief necessary. If the facts don;t fit the theory, then the theory needs revisiting.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:01 am“Your turn to back up your assertion. You need names, sonny, and a list of papers they have published. Otherwise your statement holds no value in this debate”
Again, no I don’t! This thread is titled “Gore unveils Live Earth” and you liberals have posted comments in support of this kook! I in turn have challenged your comments just like I challenge other posters on other threads. I want you to back up what you say. If you can’t, then you’re, well, you fill in the blank!
February 16th, 2007 at 12:05 amMichale-There is a rumor(I repeat just a rumor) that David Duke is your father-can you comment on that? Also, what is the thread count on those sheets you all wear..also, don’t those sheets come from MUSLIM countries? why do you hate our troops? How can you support our troops while wearing MUSLIM sheets?
Just asking
February 16th, 2007 at 12:07 am“In a speech at a major industry gathering, Mr. Tillerson acknowledged that the planet was warming while carbon dioxide levels were increasing, suggesting a more accommodating position than the hard-nosed stance Exxon had held.”
I guess we are down to Michael Crichton, Jason Fact Mangler, Senator ‘Raving Bonkers’ Inhofe and one or two others who deny that the warming trend is for real.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:07 amTerry, your response is from a 2001 report! This is 2007!
February 16th, 2007 at 12:08 am“#
Michale-There is a rumor(I repeat just a rumor) that David Duke is your father-can you comment on that? Also, what is the thread count on those sheets you all wear..also, don’t those sheets come from MUSLIM countries? why do you hate our troops? How can you support our troops while wearing MUSLIM sheets?
Just asking
Comment by Joefriday — February 16, 2007 @ 12:07 am”
Joe I’m amazed that after I have pointed it out, you continue to display your immaturity and inability to carry on an intelligent debate. I know that without facts it’s easy to defend your position with smears and ridiculous charges. Grow up and learn how this game is played.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:12 amTerry, your response is from a 2001 report! This is 2007!
Comment by michael
First of all: What part of TREND don’t you understand?
Evidence gathered over several years= answers!
Second: You’ve had ZERO to sat about the THREE search information I’ve given you – one by The National Institute of Health! Government, michael.
Go read that and then come back. Stop avoiding the issue.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:14 am“I guess we are down to Michael Crichton, Jason Fact Mangler, Senator ‘Raving Bonkers’ Inhofe and one or two others who deny that the warming trend is for real.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 16, 2007 @ 12:07 am”
You forgot millions of clear thinking Americans who don’t want this country roped into a supposed world problem that they don’t think exists!
February 16th, 2007 at 12:14 am. I want you to back up what you say. If you can’t, then you’re, well, you fill in the blank!
Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:05 am
This from an a$$ wipe that has never backed up anything–You know he keeps this “Backing up” thing-what is Michale “backing ” up to? Fill in the blanks.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:15 amAgain, no I don’t! This thread is titled “Gore unveils Live Earth†and you liberals have posted comments in support of this kook! I in turn have challenged your comments just like I challenge other posters on other threads. I want you to back up what you say. If you can’t, then you’re, well, you fill in the blank!
Actually you do – by saying ‘many scientists’ you are introducing a statement which attempts to weigh against the statements that have been made in support of the warming trend and its basis in fact. The evidence in support is the collected works of the peer-reveiwed scientific community, your assertion that this does not represent a valid concensus is solely linked to your statement ‘many scientists’. If you choose not to back that unsourced comment with your scientific evidence, your list of scientists and their papers, then you basically have said nothing at all and make yourself look uninformed. If you are doing this deliberately, then you are debating dishonestly.
Oh and I did back up what I said, by quotation and by reference to collected, reveiwed evidence.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amYou forgot millions of clear thinking Americans who don’t want this country roped into a supposed world problem that they don’t think exists!
Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:14 am
The strawman part of this statement is the phrase clear thinking Americans – how many of these people have published peer reviewed papers on the subject or can document the proof that as Senator Inhofe says this ijs all a ‘hoax’? Remember without facts, all they have is belief, and frankly belief isn’t enough sunbeam.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:22 amGlobal Lawmakers Seek New Climate Accord
So everyone else on planet Earth is wrong, and you are right……
although you have not looked at one of the searches I gave you.
Talk about small minded.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amGrow up and learn how this game is played.
Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:12 am
I know how it is played..you don’t. You have no facts to back up anything–NONE. You can lose the “GROW UP” $HIT LITTLE BOY. You are not fooling anyone but, yourself.
You are a loser! plain and simple. Refute that with facts-I demand you refute that. Go ahead.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amI am talking to you-provide answers to simple questions.
Michael has decided that what he takes as Socratic method (asking questions to drive argument) is in fact nothing but counter-assertion of opinion (e.g ‘many scientists disagree’ ).
I believe my five-year old son has progressed beyond what is the equivalent of yelling ‘did not’, Michael may not yet have reached that point. The benefit of the doubt is extended to Michael for a short period, but well I have better things to do than to listen to someone yell ‘DID NOT’ at people on a blog.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:31 amTerry, Your too kind. Michale is a rabid racist. He deserves no respect at all. I am sorry you give him any credence at all.
I really enjoy your posts.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:38 amTerry,
A 5 year old? That’s a cute age. I have a picture of my daughter “graduating” kindergarten when she was 5.
She’s 17 now.
Hug him everyday that he’ll let you. It goes by so fast.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:38 am:)
“how many of these people have published peer reviewed papers on the subject”
And how many of people like you have published anything meaningful to support global warming?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:38 am“So everyone else on planet Earth is wrong, and you are right……
although you have not looked at one of the searches I gave you.
Talk about small minded.
Comment by trueblue — February 16, 2007 @ 12:23 am”
You act as if everyone else on the planet earth supports global warming? They don’t! The only ones that do are kooks like you and you can’t back it up!
February 16th, 2007 at 12:40 amTerry, your response is from a 2001 report! This is 2007!
Comment by michael
Oh is it? Well I never, I must have dozed off. Good god, who won the 2003 Rugby World Cup then?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:41 am“#
Terry, Your too kind. Michale is a rabid racist. He deserves no respect at all. I am sorry you give him any credence at all.
I really enjoy your posts.
Comment by Joefriday — February 16, 2007 @ 12:38 am”
Wow! That comment really enforces your theory of global warming!
February 16th, 2007 at 12:42 am#92: You forgot millions of clear thinking Americans who don’t want this country roped into a supposed world problem that they don’t think exists!
If there are millions of Americans who think that global climate change isn’t a serious problem, this is because they don’t know that in the past 15 years there hasn’t been a single peer-reviewed scientific study that challenges anthropogenic climate change. And that is the fault of the mainstream media, right-wing politicians, the fossil fuel industries, and dissembling ideologues such as yourself.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:42 am#101: And how many of people like you have published anything meaningful to support global warming?
Are you attempting to use this argument to somehow prove that global warming doesn’t exist? If so, can you explain how this logic works?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:44 ammichael,
read all the damned info I gave you.
THEN try to come back with your crap.
Afraid much?
Go read it or go away.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:44 amComment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:38 amHow-What-Where-When-and Why. Nothing but questions. michale has no answers. (I forgot Who). Some how this makes him feel smart-I got questions.
I got one for you–What is the meaning of life?
(was a damn good movie).
February 16th, 2007 at 12:48 amAnd how many of people like you have published anything meaningful to support global warming?
Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:38 am
Let’s see now, to quote you: “No I don’t”. And here’s why. When I turn on my light switch, I know that I don’t need to know jack sh** about Maxwell, Faraday and Edison – and wow the light comes on. When it comes to any scientific theory, I can go and ‘do the math’ myself or I can read about other people who are smarter than I and have ‘done the math’. Now I can agree with their conclusions or I can say ‘That’s rot’ and write some science fiction about it – say where gravity doesn’t exist and people float about all over the place. Fun to read but not relevant to the real world.
Now you are asking me if I have published any climate science paper, but no I haven’t but I think I qualify as a ‘clear thinker’ who can see data fitted to theory, argued sensibly and peer-reviewed by people with the relevant qualifications…and I draw my conclusions from what I read about what they say.
By the way arguing “I am but what are you” is a logical fallacy called tu quoque. Not much better than assertions of opinion. You need to up your game Michael. My son’s elementary school would really help you I feel (that’s an ad hominem - I believe you’ve earned it).
February 16th, 2007 at 12:49 amYou act as if everyone else on the planet earth supports global warming? They don’t! The only ones that do are kooks like you and you can’t back it up!Comment by michael —
Ummm, I gave you loads of info.
Those were links to searches, chock full of article after article.
The last one – the NIH- the gvt. one….
I happened to work for one of the grants given by the NIH for 3 years. So I know a wee bit about science.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:50 amWow! That comment really enforces your theory of global warming!
Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:42 am
You are being kind to Joe there. The theory is not his or mine…
Oops “smarter than I” should be ” than me”.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:51 amMichael thinks the chair of Exxon Mobil is a kook? Who knew?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amSome how this makes him feel smart-I got questions.
Actually we have him pegged at somewhere near 1st or 2nd grade at the moment. Although he does type better than most of the 1st graders I know and use a larger vocabulary. Perhaps its just his reasoning skills that are not up to it.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:54 am(was a damn good movie).
Comment by Joefriday
Gonna have to get that one.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:55 amIs it as good as The Life of Brian or The Holy Grail?
Wow! That comment really enforces your theory of global warming!
Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:42 am
February 16th, 2007 at 12:57 amYou don’t know my theory. You would be surprised but, an a$$ wipe like you assumes that every one that “questions” CW is a liberal. You are a Lush bag groupie with no independent thought-that is sick-yet your proud of it. There is most likely not one thing that old lushbag preaches that you disagree with. How does it feel to have no self respect?
#114: Is it as good as The Life of Brian or The Holy Grail?
Definitely not. But it has its moments.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:58 amWell it looks like there’s no real debate here to be had, “DID TOO” doesn’t cut the mustard. Pleasant present company excepted of course. In the Monty Python theme, I leave you with this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
Goodnight almost all.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:00 amThanks, Luke.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:02 amWell that’s it from me…. I leave you with this in the vein of Mony Python:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-572077907195969915
February 16th, 2007 at 1:03 amYou act as if everyone else on the planet earth supports global warming? They don’t! The only ones that do are kooks like you and you can’t back it up! Comment by michael — February 16, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Everyone’s opinion isn’t relevant. Especially people who are ignorant and aren’t experts or scientists – like you. What matters is that the experts agree, and the debate is over.
Only paid hacks, and ignorant fools still pooh-pooh global warming. Which one of them are you?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:15 am“Its not nice to fool mother nature” the old margarine commercial.
I can see Al Gore dressed up like her with her wand. Those fishbelly white legs covered in sheer white tights.
This is the same bufoon that claims to have invented the internet.
So, anything he says should be taken with about as much seriousness.
Nothing more needs said really.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:30 amNuff said.
I can see Al Gore dressed up like her with her wand. Those fishbelly white legs covered in sheer white tights. Comment by Breastless Dragonette — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 am
That’s because you have a crush on him.
This is the same bufoon that claims to have invented the internet.Comment by Breastless Dragonette — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 am
The buffoons are the ones that believe this lie! BAHAHA, Buffoon!!!
So, anything he says should be taken with about as much seriousness. Comment by Breastless Dragonette — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Just like any buffoon that repeats this lie should be taken with as much seriousness as your fetish description of him!
Nothing more needs said really.
Nuff said. Comment by Breastless Dragonette — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Ah, same ‘Nuff said troll as before. You really need a better shtick Mighty Aphrodite – or you need to eat a tic-tac little girl.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:42 amI can see Al Gore dressed up like her with her wand. Those fishbelly white legs covered in sheer white tights.
Ya know what? I believe you actually do picture AL that way. Does it make you randy? Are you randy pirates dream?!?
(sunken chest)
Say what do you picture Hastert in?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:55 amSpeedos or g-strings?
> You act as if everyone else on the planet earth supports global warming? They
> don’t! The only ones that do are kooks like you and you can’t back it up!
> Comment by michael
Ohh.. another “sceptic”. Yeah we “support global warming” GO GLOBAL WARMING!
You are full of it and need to get out of your basement more.
The 2007 IPCC report is out! It’s been agreed on by 113 countries! Look it up sometimes.
Of course being the political work of consensus that it is (for 113 countries to have agreed with the conclusion, you can imagine the depth of sugarcoating), it is too conservative. The Saudis and Chinese were trying to wiggle the adjectives the most. Apparently the US delegation got a spne reinforcement due to the latest election results, good for them.
February 16th, 2007 at 5:43 amWhy would he make it on the second anniversary of the terrorist attacks in London? This was a poor selection, in my opinion.
February 16th, 2007 at 9:27 am#121: I can see Al Gore dressed up like her with her wand. Those fishbelly white legs covered in sheer white tights.
Whatever.
This is the same bu[f]foon that claims to have invented the internet.
The fact that you’re still peddling this phony claim shows that you truly must have had your head up your ass for the past eight years. This story has been thoroughly debunked, but here’s a rough timeline of the growth of the story back in 1999.
So, anything he says should be taken with about as much seriousness.
A favorite line of conservatives: “Gore is such a congenital liar, how can we take anything he says seriously?” Fine. So you’ll refuse to listen to anything Al Gore says. Why then are you willing to ignore the International Panel on Climate Change, the National Academy of Sciences, and the joint science academies of the G8 nations?
February 16th, 2007 at 10:54 am#124: Why would he make it on the second anniversary of the terrorist attacks in London? This was a poor selection, in my opinion.
Al Gore gives talks on global climate change on a weekly basis–sometimes more often than that. I imagine it’s nearly impossible to arrange his schedule so that it never, ever coincides with anniversaries, holidays, parades, snowstorms, and other things.
February 16th, 2007 at 10:57 amIf “global warming†is real, what could be causing it?
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/cause.htm
Global Warming: The Origin and Nature of the Alleged Scientific Consensus
http://www.cato.org/ pubs/ regulation/ regv15n2/ reg15n2g.html
The Greenhouse Myth
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192544,00.html
Times Online
An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol/ news/ uk/ article1363818.ece
Real Clear Politics: 3 articles on the media and global warming
February 16th, 2007 at 1:03 pmhttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/ search/ ?query=Global+Hot+Air&x=0&y=0
JSH – I’m on my treo so i’l be brief:
Junkscience – Mr Stephen Milloy. His arguments about natural variation from solar influences were handily rebutted by the recent 4th IPCC report sorry. Mr Milloy should return to advocating for tobacco companies that cigarettes pose no health risks.
Cato Institute: this article is an opinion piece about the politics of climate change…OK it proves what? Dr Lindzen seems to have a few papers out but the acceptance in the scientific community appears patchy – he is one outlier in a broad scientific concensus represented by IPCC.
Foxnews: Stephen Milloy again – can’t count him twice and see above.
Times: Nigel Calder – UKs Michael Crichton I think…can you list his peer-reviewed climate papers please or do we just have another opinion piece here?
Real Politics: An opinion piece on the politics of climate change..
Was that it?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:39 pmPlease, please, Let us Have MORE
February 16th, 2007 at 5:01 pmFrom the creative mind of Al Gore!
Before he may have been a bore,
But NO MORE, NO MORE, NO MORE!!!!!
HURRAH FOR AL GORE!!!!!
HE MAKES repugnant-repubs SORE!!!!!
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/archive/previous_issues/vol2/v2n4/feature1.htm
http://www.sepp.org/Archive/controv/ipcccont/Item05.htm
http://www.thehcf.org/review_10.html
February 16th, 2007 at 5:58 pmConcerts are huge trash factories. Where does all that litter go? Where do they dump all the full dumpsters? Go Al Gore! Keep the hypocrisy alive!
February 16th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAl Gore didn’t win the election and needs to chill the f*** out. It really is pathetic how he has to turn to Hollywood to get back in the spotlight with his “original idea†of a pollution movie. Pollution has been a problem for a really long time and people really don’t give a damn. Al Gore picked an easy topic to b**** and moan about just so he could get some attention. Now he’s throwing a benefit concert for pollution so he can pretend like he’s making a difference and get some more attention. I’ll worry about pollution when he proves he did in fact invent the internet.
March 1st, 2007 at 12:35 amI’ll be more impressed if the concerts are using alternative/renewable energy as their source, BUT this is progress
March 15th, 2007 at 4:44 pm