He did lie with the help of Douglas Feith – this is already proven. The intel wasn’t consistent with the UN, the French, and the British intelligence was fabricated as is proven by the Downing Street Memo. The fact you would claim this is either an act of intellectual sloppy laziness on your part – or of flat out propaganda lies.blockquote>

The real question here is, what is the propaganda? Are you sure that what you are spouting isn’t the propaganda that is being driven? “Bush lied and people died” is just plainly a poorly thought out propaganda slogan from the left, and anyone with half a mind knows that all too well. If Bush lied, I am sure that it would be emblazened on page one, top of the fold on every leftwing newspaper out there, on a daily basis, with complete detail. As it is, all that we can say at this time is “Bush lied and people died”

There was no recount – that’s what the supreme court stopped. The recounts after the election showed Gore won – but those don’t count when the supreme court steals the election before a recount can happen, does they?

Where are you getting this from? I have yet to see one reputable sourse actually claim that Gore won the recounts that were done by the newspapers in Florida. The only results I have seen to this date show that Bush did win. I guess I don’t visit too many far left blogs though. And as far as stealing the second election, awe comeon, get a grip already. These are national elections, where pretty much everyone knows from history, Democrats are widely known for election fraud, unlike Republicans. If you would actually do some research, you will see this to be the case. Maybe the truth hurts, but it is the truth.

Actually FISA already covered that case, and there was no need to create a new program.

The problem we patriots that care about america’s constitution have is when the calls are between people in the US on both ends. That’s what the program in question is about. Everyone with half a brain knows this. Apparently you aren’t in the group of americans that have at least half a brain.

Actually, your own members of Congress are on record as stating that this is not the case. None of the calls in question originated in the US, at least according to Nancy Poelisi, but I guess we can’t trust her statements since she is a neocon, right?

Please, what stupid nonsense. If another attack happens, it will be because this administration is incompetent, largely because of incompetent people like yourself that can’t string together simple facts.

I have a personal opinion that if another attack does happen, there will be hell to pay, and I think the persons held accountable will not be the administration, it will be the people on the left that were doing their hardest to impeed the processes that the administration was trying to implement.
It seems that wiretapping would be acceptable if it actually stopped an attack, but since a “whistle-blower” blew that amazing program apart, we lost that ability.
If America is attacked again, you can say goodbye to the Dem party, since they will be the party of weakness. Obviously, Bush won re-election since he stood for something. He was definitely a poor canidate, but I guess, he was better than the alternitive, at least in the minds of a majority of Americans, that much is indisputable, at least to people with half-a-mind.

There’s plenty of proof that’s already been given on these points. People like you don’t want the proof or the truth though. You’re anti-americans that have more in common with radical religious terrorists than the average americans.

Your proof is nothing more than far-left propaganda. Some may be true, but I would venture a guess that far more is not. As far as being Anti-American, who are you kidding? Anti-Americanism seems to be a halmark of the Far-left, definitely not the Far-Right. How many people can you name as being Anti-American that are Far-Right?, comeon, I really want to see this list. There is a truth laid bare in your comment though. People don’t want the proof or the truth, but I think you have the group wrong. I see much more venom every day from the left than I have ever seen from the religious right. Maybe you need to actually put your money were you mouth is. There are studies out there that prove that Right leaning individuals are head and shoulders above their left leaning counterparts when it comes to charity and volantering. Maybe if more people were religious zealots, the world would be a better place, ya think????

He did lie with the help of Douglas Feith – this is already proven. The intel wasn’t consistent with the UN, the French, and the British intelligence was fabricated as is proven by the Downing Street Memo. The fact you would claim this is either an act of intellectual sloppy laziness on your part – or of flat out propaganda lies. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that the comment Tommy Franks made to describe Feith also applies to you. Where he called Feith the Dumbest f*cking man on the planet.

If he stole the first election (by the way, in a close election, he won every count and recount) how did he stay out of jail long enough to win the second election by a wider margin?

There was no recount – that’s what the supreme court stopped. The recounts after the election showed Gore won – but those don’t count when the supreme court steals the election before a recount can happen, does they?

The spying program that everyone seems to be concerned about, applies to terrorists calling from outside the U.S. to people inside the U.S.

Actually FISA already covered that case, and there was no need to create a new program.

The problem we patriots that care about america’s constitution have is when the calls are between people in the US on both ends. That’s what the program in question is about. Everyone with half a brain knows this. Apparently you aren’t in the group of americans that have at least half a brain.

That program, along with the ‘torture’ bill were attempts to prevent attacks like 9/11 from occurring. If another attack had happened (or does happen) people will be asking ‘why didn’t the President do more to protect us?

Please, what stupid nonsense. If another attack happens, it will be because this administration is incompetent, largely because of incompetent people like yourself that can’t string together simple facts.

There is alot to question with this administration. There is a lot of issues to disagree about. But you (and many others) throw around terms like criminal and stole and lied without much proof. Just because you disagee with someone; doesn’t make them a criminal. Comment by paul — February 15, 2007 @ 9:57 pm

There’s plenty of proof that’s already been given on these points. People like you don’t want the proof or the truth though. You’re anti-americans that have more in common with radical religious terrorists than the average americans.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry – these righties never stop…on and on with the same crap. Do they really believe their spew?

He didn’t lie us into war. He used the intel that was consistent with U.N., the French, the British, the Democrats, and most of the rest of the world.

Cut it out now. That’s so ridiculously wrong and I think you know it. I’m not going to run down the whole list for you. But, the British didn’t believe the Iraq-al Qaeda connection that Bush was pushing on them. The Germans told us that Curveball was a liar. The French never bought into it. I’m sure you’ve seen plenty of this information already. And right now Feith is being shown up as a liar who wasn’t “criticizing” the work of our intelligence agencies, as he claims. He was outright denying it and excluding it while injecting his own discredited sources in the White House briefings.

The only reason that Bush has been in office for six years is that the Republicans were in power and they refused to investigate or allow investigations. For starters, pay attention to the Libby trial. It’s already proven what we were saying all along about Cheney. Read the transcripts.

It was bad enough that we went into Iraq with ’shock and Awe’ dropping 4000 bombs in a 48 period of time. Months later the Iraqi people begged the US to let THEM reconstruct their country, that they could do it pennies on the dollar. It is common sense, folks are going to be happier being employed and working towards a common goal. Bush would not hear of it and today we have one ugly mess. So the democrats are somewhat guilty as they have no plan to fix this horror the republicans created?

It is not that simple, but they would certainly be making efforts in that direction -yes, I agree.

You may not be happy with a ’stay the course’ mentality. But whether you like it or not; it is a ’stay the course’ mentality that delivered success in the American Revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII,

This is complete, unadulterated bullsh!t. Which one of those wars was one of aggression against a nation that posed no threat? Which one of those conflicts involved occupying a country whose the population was actively fighting the US?

Don’t compare the American war for independence to the occupation of Iraq. That’s as ridiculous as it gets. Iraq is more like Vietnam and looking more like by the day.

It’s a stay the course mentality that could provide a successful stabilization of Iraq; despite the current atmosphere of doubt.

The current “atmosphere of doubt” didn’t start yesterday. It’s been four years and things are not getting better.

The American occupation of Iraq must end. Do you relish the role of a colonial power?

If Democrats had a better plan, they would be pursuing it.

You may be right.

This has nothing to do with the fact that “stay the course” is not a plan, nor a strategy but a catchy slogan. That the occupation of Iraq must end, that it was launched for reasons that were demonstrably false, and that -in four years at the helm- Pres Bush has yet to deliver on the Republican promises of fiscal restraint, shun nation-building, and small government.

IF that is not enough, they keep doing the same (the “surge”), expecting different results. Does that sound reasonable to you?

They don’t have a better plan. It’s not as easy, or black and white, as you suggest.

I don’t have the time to write and essay, and I was responding to your even simpler take of “If I first you don’t succeed.” That is exceedingly simple-minded.

The Bush administration didn’t just start attempting to rebuild Iraq. They’ve been at it for four years. It is obvious by now Iraqis do not want Americans on their land. And when nobody was looking, the White House neglected Afghanistan.

But you are right -it will not be easy to untangle the mess the Bush administration has made in both Iraq, Afghanistan, and to repair the relationship between the US and its traditional European allies.

This is the administration you are carrying water for…

Comment by paul — February 15,

Democratically controlled Congress???? supposedly we have control, but we are missing Tim Johnson in the senate which brings our votes to only 49 versus the 50 with Cheney’s vote.

‘08 we will clean house.

Bull crap a thousand times and I do not like or want to watch Hillary Clinton.

He didn’t lie us into war. He used the intel that was consistent with U.N., the French, the British, the Democrats, and most of the rest of the world. (Have you seen the Hillary Clinton Youtube with code pink? watch past the first 7 minutes).

If he stole the first election (by the way, in a close election, he won every count and recount) how did he stay out of jail long enough to win the second election by a wider margin?

The spying program that everyone seems to be concerned about, applies to terrorists calling from outside the U.S. to people inside the U.S. That program, along with the ‘torture’ bill were attempts to prevent attacks like 9/11 from occurring. If another attack had happened (or does happen) people will be asking ‘why didn’t the President do more to protect us?

There is alot to question with this administration. There is a lot of issues to disagree about. But you (and many others) throw around terms like criminal and stole and lied without much proof. Just because you disagee with someone; doesn’t make them a criminal.

Actually, progressives are sad we have such a criminal in office. Let’s not forget we all stood with Bush Sept. 12, 2001. Because of Bush’s illegal, immoral, disgusting actions his approval rating is now in the toilet – below 30%. Those who now support this moron are the oober rich in fear of fair taxation, the oober religious awaiting for the rapture and the ‘just plain stupids’. Which one are you?

lied us into war – even using the SOTU address,

fingers point towards his administration for the outing of a CIA agent,

he has been involved with spying on America in which I feel he is using this evidense to blackmale congress into voting his way,

he makes his own law by writing ’signing statements’ at the end of a bill

we have lost rights with the ‘military commission act

I know there is more…

not law breaking but jst as bad he means the opposite of what he states to the public.

And the 109th Republican Congress – they turned their back on everyone of these issues – their lack of over sight makes them just as guilty. They did not waste any time with Clinton and the blue dress did they?

You can take everyone of these statements and word smith them your way – but the bottom line – all here know these statements are true.

Deeply ironic coming from someone who supports a very misguided policy of occupation, and a wrong-headed escalation with asinine arguments such as “if at first you don’t succeed… give up?”

Maybe you were born yesterday. Those of us who are a tad over 6 years of age, have seen the Bush administration not succeeding for the past 4 years -both in Iraq, and domestically.

Are you the type to “stay the course” no matter how many people die in an occupation that was launched for demonstrably false reasons? Does that sound reasonable to you?

Comment by paul

be more than happy to direct you to afterdowingstreet.org:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/keydocuments