Young Will Not Retract Fabricated Lincoln Quote
During yesterday’s House debate on Iraq, Rep. Don Young (R-AK) made the case for escalation by citing a fabricated quote falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln: “Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs, and should be arrested, exiled or hanged.” Watch it:
This morning, Young’s spokeswoman Meredith Kenny told ThinkProgress repeatedly that Young does not plan to take any action to correct the record or clarify his House statement.
Kenny said that Young had learned of the quote from Tuesday’s Washington Times op-ed by Frank Gaffney, and noted that the Times has not yet issued a correction or retraction. Kenny said she “couldn’t confirm or deny” that Young would correct his statement even if the Times published a correction.
Kenny added that Young didn’t literally mean that those supporting the Iraq resolution should be “hanged,” merely that they should not be “undermining the morale of our military.”
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That’s a cute quote except WE’RE REALLY NOT AT WAR.
We’re occupiers, not warriors, so even if Lincoln had said this it wouldn’t apply anyhoo.
February 16th, 2007 at 11:55 amWorking toward getting the troops out of harms way undermines thier morale?
February 16th, 2007 at 11:55 amRep Young — but it says in the Republican handbook here, that I have to make a complete and total ass out of myself and then cry on the House floor when I take it all back. See…?
February 16th, 2007 at 11:57 amOh good grief. They know it’s fabricated but refuse to retract the statement.
But hey, I say “Keep it up, Dan. Please. Your actions will now be seen by millions of people on YouTube and will help assure even more Republican losses in 2008.”
February 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amWhat an ass. You would think this guy would be embarrassed, but since the republicans have no shame.. he won’t be.
February 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amHe is such an embarrassment!
February 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amIn a few years, it will be written in history books.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pmKenney added that Young didn’t literally mean that those supporting the Iraq resolution should be “hanged,†merely that they should not be “undermining the morale of our military.â€
Well I think any congressman or Senator that abuses their office, takes bribes or lies to the American People should be hanged. That includes supporting a war started over LIES.
While that will never bring back the lives thrown away in this immoral war, it would make a politician think twice before they voted to take us to war again and maybe they would check the real facts first.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:02 pmWell, I’ll take that another step: Any person who endorses an illegal war and supports this troop surge should be castrated and have thier testicless made into cute, attractive, little drop-earrings to wear at the hearings.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI agree with this guy and Lincoln. Hang ‘em high (and all liberals too).
February 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmRepublicans just don’t care anymore. They have given up any pretense whatsoever about speaking the truth. Why? Because their base of bedwetters, racists, homophobes, and Jesus freaks don’t care about the truth, either. It is painfully obvious after 6 years of Bush that the 30 percenters will never care one whit about the lying, the hypocrisy, the corruption, or the killing committed by their party of thieves and traitors.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:05 pmHe said they should be hanged, but he really didn’t mean they should be hanged.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:05 pmI’m glad these jerks are on record with their stupid shit.
#8, you’d have to include just about every member of Congress; Dems, Repubs, and Ind’s.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:06 pmReal Lincoln or Bizarro Lincoln who this representative quoted?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pmDon Young is an idiot. I understand the libertarian orientation of Alaska, what I don’t understand is how they could have elected someone with fewer brain cells than a mosquito.
Additionally, can somebody please remind me when the US officially declared war against another state?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pm#8, you’d have to include just about every member of Congress; Dems, Repubs, and Ind’s.
Comment by Dale
Yep, anyone who voted for this war and has done nothing to stop this rogue administration is complicit with the war crimes of this administration.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pmwhy the hell isn’t the washington times not retracting the quote? why aren’t others on the floor not pointing it out to him? are we all pussies now?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI agree with this guy and Lincoln. Hang ‘em high (and all liberals too).
Comment by firehead — February 16, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
This is exactly what I am talking about. The idiot who wrote this comment seems unable to grasp the basic point of the thread, which is that Abraham Lincoln had nothing to do with this fabricated quote. Supposing that firehead is actually a racist, homophobic, bigoted, bedwetting hypocrite (and I suspect that he is), it might make sense for him to say “I agree with this guy” (meaning Rep. Young). But where did that “and Abraham Lincoln” bit come from? Why shouldn’t history be rewritten, when the reality of the present moment is so malleable in the weak minds of Bush cultists like firehead?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:13 pmRep. Young should respond with another Lincoln quote:
“Me not retract no not untrue statement I sayed yesderday.”
Lincoln said that, Representative Young! Really.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pmIt seems to me that the lies that started the road to the USA attacking Iraq qualifies as terrorism against Iraq and the USA. It also seems that the the lies that lead up to the USA attacking Iraq qualifies as treason against the USA. The USA needs a trial to convict these goons. The UN needs to condemn the USA Government’s attack on Iraq and have the people who pushed that attack on Iraq being tried for their crimes.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pmAsking Don Young not to lie just makes no sense. If he did that, we wouldn’t be Don Young anymore.
From The Alaska Report:
Don Young caught lying about debate over emissions bill
5/20/06
Washington, D.C.
U.S. Rep. Don Young removed from an appropriations bill a statement that would have called for limits on carbon emissions, even though some House members said his arguments were laced with outright lies.
Study after study by climatologists worldwide has found that burning fossil fuels contributes significantly to global warming, but Young, an Alaska Republican, won’t agree.
During the debate over the bill’s language, Young said he had “just read a report, in fact, that Greenland is cooling,” the Anchorage Daily News reported in Saturday editions.
However, a statement from NASA in February said Greenland’s ice loss doubled between 1996 and 2005, as its glaciers flowed faster into the ocean in response to a generally warmer climate. The joint study by NASA and the University of Kansas was published in the journal Science.
Young also told his colleagues that America should not be singled out among large nations for blame over carbon emissions.
“It is never the fault of the bigger countries that burn as many barrels of oil as we are doing today,” Young said Thursday during a debate on the floor of the U.S. House.
But according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the U.S. burned 20.6 million barrels of oil a day last year. The second biggest consumer, China, burned just under 7 million.
Young challenged a statement by U.S. Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., who said polar bear populations are threatened because of a thinning ice pack.
“The polar bear pack is very healthy and, in fact, increasing,” Young said. “This is science from the Fish and Wildlife people. Read that.”
Rosa Meehan, supervisor of marine mammal management for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in Alaska, said she doesn’t have any such data. The agency is considering whether to list the polar bear as “threatened” under the Endangered Species Act.
“Up until five years ago we assumed the population was stable, and we’re questioning that now,” Meehan said.
Alaska’s southern Beaufort Sea polar bears are changing their behaviors, she said. They are spending more time on the coast in the fall because the sea ice they usually hunt seals from is retreating, she said.
Young also said there needs to be “a good study” and a debate among scientists on the subject of global warming, but House members countered that has been going on for years. It also prompted U.S. Rep. John Olver, D-Mass., a former chemistry professor with a doctorate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, to give a mini-lecture to explain the rapid accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in the last 40 years.
Another former educator, U.S. Rep. Wayne Gilchrist, R-Maryland, continued the lesson, explaining how tiny increases in the carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere could have big consequences on earth.
U.S. Rep. David Obey, D-Wis., suggested Young sounded like one of the “charter members of the Flat Earth Society.”
Meredith Kenny, Young’s spokeswoman, said her boss isn’t entirely skeptical about climate change.
“He doesn’t doubt something is happening, but it’s not as drastic as they make it out,” she said.
As for any misstatements Young may have made, she told the Anchorage Daily News, “He might have been caught up in the moment, in the debate.”
Young ultimately won on technical grounds, saying the statement on climate change was inappropriate for a spending bill.
Young ranks third in seniority among House Republicans and is the eighth ranking overall member. He chairs the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee and is vice chairman of the House Resource Committee. He’s also a member of the House Select Committee on Homeland Security.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:16 pmfirehead
As an idiot, I guess this would be impossible for you to do, but use what little common sense even a intellectual gnat like yourself should be able to muster and think yourself through this situation:
X is doing something stupid, which will hurt you, X, and probably everyone else around you.
Is the responsible course of action to:
A: Cheer X on, and encourage X to make the situation worse?
B: Try to stop X, or at least try to minimise the damage?
or
C: Keep quiet about it and then nod sagely one X has destroyed everything, certain in the idea that at least you weren’t demoralising the troops?
Because thus far you righties have been doing a lot of A&C and not much B.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pmoh the Washington Times said it? It must be Gospel then. Good to know politicians believe everything they read in the newspapers isn’t it?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#16, the senate authorized the war 77-23, the House voted for it 296-133. Included in those voting *for* the war was Senators Clinton and Kerry. Wanna charge them with war crimes?
Oh, and before anybody whines that Pres. Bush lied to Congress? Check here.
And if Congress REALLY wanted to stop the war, they could de-fund it… Dem’s have control; they could get the vote to pass. Maybe Pres. Bush would veto; but if so then that would give the Dem’s more ammo.
The US staying in Iraq is a political decision; the Repubs have too much political capital invested for us to leave; the Dems want to see us fail.
Whether or not we should stay there, apart from the political side, is a separate issue.
(waiting for the insane chants of “Bush lied, people died”)
February 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pm#10 firehead
I agree with this guy and Lincoln. Hang ‘em high (and all liberals too).
Lincoln didn’t say it, you idiot! How f*cking stupid do you have to be to a) manufature a quote and say it came from Lincoln, b) refuse to retract it even when you’ve been shown that it’s bullshit, and c) still think Lincoln said it and actually think it’s a good idea?
Firehead, STFU. There’s no reason for you to speak.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pmJesus, what is it with Alaska and crazy people?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:21 pmYoung needs to join Gaffney on the list of “GOP Evil Doers of the Week.”
February 16th, 2007 at 12:22 pmVerbalKnit sez:
I refer yet again to this excerpt from Ron Suskind’s Without a Doubt:
Perhaps that’s a bit long-winded. Here’s a much more succinct version from George Orwell’s 1984:
February 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pmRepublicants aren’t a political party, they’re a disease, and I’ve got the cure…a noose in my hand, and a lamppost out by the street. Unlike Mr. Young, I do “literally” mean it. He’s as good a place as any to start.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#25, Sen. Young didn’t manufacture the quote; someone else did and attributed it to Lincoln; Sen Young just repeated it. Get your facts straight.
That said, he should most definitely retract… to do otherwise is irresponsible.
Oh yeah, Firehead, like #25 said, STFU… inane comments like yours just make you look stupid.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:25 pmRep. Young should be arrested, exiled or hanged with the other GOPers who back Bush and his war for OIL in Iraq.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:26 pmfrom #24
“the senate authorized the war 77-23, the House voted for it 296-133. Included in those voting *for* the war was Senators Clinton and Kerry. Wanna charge them with war crimes?”
Would that I could.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:27 pm#8, you’d have to include just about every member of Congress; Dems, Repubs, and Ind’s.
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
Dale sounds like a symmetrizer, a term I coined to describe a relative of mine. Symmetrizers typically consider themselves Republican moderates, or independents who until recently were Republican (and still lean strongly Republican when voting). They gave up supporting Bush a few years ago, and though they voted for him in 2000, probably did not in 2004. But they haven’t been able to bring themselves to admit that the guy they once supported has turned out to be a staggering failure, a disaster of historical proportions, and that their favored political party has been taken over by a criminal organization. So they feign cynicism to shield themselves from the truth. In their minds it goes like this: “Yeah, the Republicans are bad, but the Democrats are just as bad, too.” I say “feign” cynicism, because the true cynics in their party are aware of what is going on, but are perfectly comfortable with it because of profound moral and ethical flaws in their value system.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:31 pmYo Alaska! Vote the bum out!
February 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmGreat post, TMM. I recall apoplectic comparisons between Shrub and Hitler back in the early years of his presidency, and I shrugged them off as hyperbole. As someone who “judiciously” studies the past professionally, however, I can claim with high confidence that these particular “actors” will rank among the most morally bankrupt and malignant forces in recent history. The blood on Bush’s hands—both from Americans and Iraqis—and his contempt for the rule of law so audacious and complete, that he must be ranked in the company of other modern tyrants, including Hitler.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:35 pmYon Dung should watch his potty mouth. The cold has been freezing his reserve brain cells, again.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:37 pmKenney added that Young didn’t literally mean that those supporting the Iraq resolution should be “hanged,†merely that they should not be “undermining the morale of our military.â€
Oh, you mean like sending them over there in the first place unprepared and then not letting them ever leave? That’s undermining the morale of our military, and he has no problem whatsoever with that, obviously.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWhat’s a sob-o-tour?
February 16th, 2007 at 12:39 pmanother repug neonut wanker who plays fast and loose with the facts and then won’t retract or apologize for it? and this is news how?
the repuglican party is morally bankrupt. this event is further proof of that.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pm#22 Bruce, you made a valiant effort to lay it out in easily understood terms. But judging from firehead’s comment #10, I think he is simply too stupid to follow what you are saying. He probably couldn’t even make it through the question, much less understand the multiple choice answers.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:41 pm#38- That’s a sad little Repub on a campaign trip.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:42 pmSaboteurs is another word for terrorists, so Young is implying that those in the Congress who oppose the war are terrorists.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmDale sez:
Congress was stampeded into voting for the authorization based on intelligence reports ginned up by the White House to support the invasion. The invasion itself has been in the planning stages since before 2000. Read up on it.
Three words. A HREF=”http://www.downingstreetmemo.com”>Downing Street Memo. Look into it.
The Dems have only a 1-vote majority in the Senate. When you consider the true allegiances of Lieberman, who ostensibly is caucasing with the Dems, that majority disappears.
‘Mabye’? That’s a laugh. Besides which, the Repubs are fighting like dogs to stop the first, non-binding resolution with procedural wrangling. Tell us again how you believe such a defunding could make it through the Senate…we love fairy tales here.
All correct, up until the last. Dems don’t want to see the occupation fail…we’d be thrilled if success was imminent…or likely…or, hell…even possible. But it’s not. We’ve known that since this whole misbegotten mess started. What’s taking you so long to figure it out?
And that’s exactly the kind of neocon logic that’s landed us in this position. Thanks ever so much.
(waiting for the insane chants of “Support our troops.”)
February 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pmThe US staying in Iraq is a political decision; the Repubs have too much political capital invested for us to leave; the Dems want to see us fail.
See, just what I said: Dale is a symmetrizer. He admits the obvious, namely that the war is all about politics for the Republicans, but then he has to symmetrize by presenting something equally bad about the Democrats. The trouble for Dale is that this imaginary symmetry doesn’t exist, so he either has to try to pass off something minor (I’ll trade you war crimes for a b.j. in the Oval Office), or, as this particular example attests, simply fabricate something for which no evidence exists.
Watch him carefully: every time he admits something bad about the Republicans, it will be paired with something about the Democrats that is supposed to seem comparably bad.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:59 pm(waiting for the insane chants of “Bush lied, people diedâ€)
You’re a moron.
My brother is deployed right now. There is nothing that upsets our troops more than to know that people like you exist. Trust me.
February 16th, 2007 at 12:59 pmwhy the hell isn’t the washington times not retracting the quote? why aren’t others on the floor not pointing it out to him? are we all pussies now?
Comment by Freakaloin — February 16, 2007 @ 12:13 pm
Oh they’re going to offer a retraction, but…(from Glenn Greenwald at Salon, via crooksandliars.com):
February 16th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI remember seeing a man hung on a tree when I was about 4 years old while traveling with my Dad in the South. I guess old habits never die. Now lying has been made part of the GOP program. Look for children to now defend the lies they tell by saying the GOP and the White House lie all the time yet no better says it’s wrong. What’s really sad is we’re seeing how little our elected officials and the White House know about the history of America. Yet countries around the world know more about the United States then Americans. No wonder they can pass the test when coming to America yet Americans can’t pass the test of their own country.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:01 pmDon Young has Abramoff all over him but was re-elected thanks to a somnambulant Alaskan media which refused to reveal anything too sticky. Of the 535 members of Congress, he ranked 29 in the top 50 recipients of cash from convicted felon Jack Abramoff, and number 2 in the House for the most traveling ($420,000!) and ranked 23rd in PAC contributions from the Oil and Gas industry in the House (Center for Responsive Politics). He speaks from the heart on behalf of his campaign donors.
A CNN poll had corruption beating out Iraq as the most important issue on the voter’s minds last Nov. This guy didn’t just fall through the cracks, he was invited. He shoulda been indicted.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#16, the senate authorized the war 77-23, the House voted for it 296-133. Included in those voting *for* the war was Senators Clinton and Kerry. Wanna charge them with war crimes?
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Republican Sen. Pat Roberts has stated that he has some concerns that Congress did not see the same intelligence as the White House did. His words are repeated here on TP; use the Search function if you so desire.
Does this not bother you?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThis moron saying this has damaged my morale. Flip it back on him!
February 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pm(waiting for the insane chants of “Bush lied, people diedâ€)
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
Bush essentially has said that he had no intentions of invading Iraq prior to the actual invasion in March 2003.
Yet two former members of his administration, Paul O’Neill and Richard Clarke, both have said that within days of the 9/11 attack, Bush practically demanded evidence that Iraq was involved, and Rummy himself commented that attacking Iraq would be the better plan because “they have more targets.”
Many of you on the right have challenged the Dems to prove Bush lied. I’ve got a challenge for you: prove that Clarke and O’Neill lied.
And let me remind that you that Bush is on record as saying he hadn’t considered a surge of troops prior to the 2006 elections, yet is also on record saying he was thinking of doing just that in the months of Sept. and Oct.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pm#16, the senate authorized the war 77-23, the House voted for it 296-133. Included in those voting *for* the war was Senators Clinton and Kerry. Wanna charge them with war crimes? –Dale
Neither Hillary or John Kerry has supported anyone who tried to censor or stop Bush, so yes imho they are complicit with the war crimes the administration has commited. Did they support Feinstein? no.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pmHey Tim, I’m a Republican… wanna take me out to the lamppost? Anytime you’re ready cupcake.
TP Admins; are you really going to condone this type of posting?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:20 pmWar on drugs, war on terror, why not a war on stupidity.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pmCan someone please confirm that Lincoln as congressman voted against funding the war with Mexico because it was US AGGRESSION? I think this is far more analogous to what the discussion is today in Congress. The US is not fighting a war in the US for its very survival–resulting in one million casualties, the US is on the other side of the world most definitely engaging in AGGRESSION. Just like we wanted to take control of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, and Colorado—we also wanted to take control of Iraq (and Iran?). We lied and said Mexicans attacked Texans first. We lied about every reason for the Iraq war and occupation. If some Demorats can be fooled into going along, that doesn’t make it true or the correct action.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:22 pm#33, nope, sorry, I’m not a “symmetizer”. I still support Pres Bush and agree with him on most things. He’s right on the war, on the economy, wrong on immigration.
And yeah, I’m cynical about most politicians; R, D, or I.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:22 pm“The Dems have only a 1-vote majority in the Senate. When you consider the true allegiances of Lieberman, who ostensibly is caucasing with the Dems, that majority disappears. “
Exactly. On war matters, the Dems have no majority, as my esteemed colleagues who come on here already know (at least the ones not swillin the Kool-Aid), as Joe LIEberman is in bed with the fascists on this one. Never mind the 60 they would need to overcome a filibuster.
#16, the senate authorized the war 77-23, the House voted for it 296-133. Included in those voting *for* the war was Senators Clinton and Kerry. Wanna charge them with war crimes?
Congress was stampeded into voting for the authorization based on intelligence reports ginned up by the White House to support the invasion. The invasion itself has been in the planning stages since before 2000.
Yes they were stampeded, however, Hillary still has some ’splainin’ to do about that before she earns my vote!
February 16th, 2007 at 1:24 pmHey Tim, I’m a Republican… wanna take me out to the lamppost? Anytime you’re ready cupcake. Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
You’re a Republican? We’re shocked. With the amount of rhetoric, disinformation, hatred and lies - there’s no way we would have guessed you were a Republican.
We also see you’re quite ready to meet violence with violence, what a typical hypocrite.
TP Admins; are you really going to condone this type of posting?
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Nope, but you’re defending it on the part of Republicans, and attacking Liberals that say it. That definitely makes you look like a dishonest hypocrite to whine to Admins when someone throws your own rhetoric back in your face. Typical coward.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:25 pmMany of you on the right have challenged the Dems to prove Bush lied. I’ve got a challenge for you: prove that Clarke and O’Neill lied.
Agreed, especially cause we already have proof Bush lied…let’s start with the Downing Street Memo for one.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:26 pmHey Tim, I’m a Republican… wanna take me out to the lamppost? Anytime you’re ready cupcake.
Any time you’re ready, tough guy. But I’d want to do the whole tar and feathers bit first.
So this is how you defend your party’s “position?” Your guy said it first - let’s hear your condemnations of that, tough guy. Otherwise, you just look like another hypocritical Gooper.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:26 pm#33, nope, sorry, I’m not a “symmetizerâ€. I still support Pres Bush and agree with him on most things. He’s right on the war, on the economy, wrong on immigration.
And yeah, I’m cynical about most politicians; R, D, or I.
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
So you’re in line with the most radical far right extremist branch of your party. That explains your attraction to violence, dishonest and violent rhetoric. It also explains your cowardice when that rhetoric slams back at you. What a group of wienies you belong to.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:27 pmHe’s right on the war
Comment by Dale
You mean the war he started on lies?
Where are the elusive WMDs Dale?
Also explain why if we invaded for WMDs, why did they secure the oil ministry first and leave the Ammo and weapons dumps and storehouses unguarded and unblown, since we invaded for WMDs?
Please explain Dale.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:28 pmYou’re a moron.
Comment by * Hater — February 16, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
There are plenty of morons around here (firehead, anyone), but I don’t think Dale is a moron, and I hold out some hope for him. He just hasn’t made it down the path to recovery yet. I say this because I know people who think a lot like Dale, and they aren’t bad people per se. They don’t steal, they rarely lie, and war zone bummers like moms with dead babies, and babies with dead moms, do upset them.
So what’s going on with them? They are characteristically people who in the past would over-compensate for a low self-confidence in their belief system by delivering their opinions with great confidence to family, friends, and coworkers. They tend to have a low tolerance for ambiguity, and therefore tend to believe that most questions, even weighty ones, have a correct answer. Part and parcel of this psychological makeup is an exaggerated fear of being proven wrong. They will scramble to avoid this by engaging in denial and by setting arbitrary and unreachable standards for proof. I have seen relatives of mine take many years to fully digest Nixon’s disgrace and the failure of the Vietnam war after having vigorously defended both until the very end. But after a decade or so they finally came around.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#55
February 16th, 2007 at 1:29 pmthat was a typo. I meant “Democrats”
Yes they were stampeded, however, Hillary still has some ’splainin’ to do about that before she earns my vote!
Comment by CONservative — February 16, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Clinton never dreamed Bush would be as dishonest, incompetent, stubborn and immoral as he’s been. Most Americans would never have imagined this, that’s why they voted for him. If they’d have known, they wouldn’t have voted for Bush, anymore than Clinton would have voted for the war. CON artists fool people all of the time, there’s no shame in that the first time. Iran counts as the second time though, and that’s why most Americans aren’t fooled anymore. Except for the ones like Dale that were dropped as a baby.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#33, nope, sorry, I’m not a “symmetizerâ€. I still support Pres Bush and agree with him on most things. He’s right on the war, on the economy, wrong on immigration.
Hmmm…if he agrees with Bush on the war and the economy then I agree he’s not a symmetizer. All we need from this one are talking points from the Guide To Being A GOOD Republican and we know he’s a Kool-Aid swiller. Actually I hate dropping insults unless absolutely necessary so I’ll just figure Dale is either a contractor of part of the 1% that actually benefits from those tax cuts.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#43, of course plans were in place for an invasion; that’s just simple military preparedness. Of course, if you’re quoting this as an example of the planning, uh, wanna keep in mind that it was a project that was not affiliated with the gov’t? (Not to mention that the President at the time was Pres. Clinton).
Downing Street Memo? The same facts were available to both the White House AND Congress. Please give a reference on how Congress was “stampeded” into acquiescing to the war. My reference above shows that they weren’t, and that they had the same intelligence available to them as the White House.
Even if defunding wouldn’t make it through; shouldn’t anybody that’s REALLY opposed to the war make the attempt… if nothing else they could then show their unwavering support to ending the war.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI think what Lincoln really said (believe me I have channeled him this morning after taking my meds) was:
“Congressmen who lie are a pox on our nation and should be removed from the floor and then beaten with bats in the bowels of the Capitol until they come to their senses and recant.” A.Lincoln
February 16th, 2007 at 1:33 pm#44, it’s all about politics when you hold a political office; every decision, every statement you make has a political dimension… that’s just a fact of life.
#45, thank your brother for me; I appreciate his service and hope he makes it back from his deployment healthy and whole.
#49, his ‘concerns’ are not backed up by facts such as my reference above.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pmTP, Why did you take out my earlier post that was at #55?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pmMust be a mistake. It was extremely civil?
Of course, if you’re quoting this as an example of the planning, uh, wanna keep in mind that it was a project that was not affiliated with the gov’t? (Not to mention that the President at the time was Pres. Clinton). Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
No affiliation at all, except that it’s signers were Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and everyone that ran the war…
Clinton wasn’t stupid enough to follow those plans, the same can’t be said for you CONs.
Are you complete ignorant, or just dishonest Dale?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:35 pmDale,
Dont you worry about it. We have a plan and we will defund the war. Congress has the Constitutional authority to do just that. I just hope they have the cojones to proceed with all due speed. ANd while at it, proceed to impeach Bush/Chaney, ship them to The Hague where we can enjoy seeing them hang. Any questions?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pmVery nice VerbalKint. I agree 100%. These are the same people who in anger supported the initial invasion of Iraq. Even though they may no longer be supportive of the war, the embarassment that would come from changing positions given their past strong stance on the war prevents them from doing so.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pm53.
Hey Tim, I’m a Republican… wanna take me out to the lamppost? Anytime you’re ready cupcake.
Take a ticket and get in line. You have no idea just how hated your republicant reps really are…tarring and feathering and running them out of town on a rail would be way too kind…
February 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pmDowning Street Memo? The same facts were available to both the White House AND Congress. Please give a reference on how Congress was “stampeded†into acquiescing to the war. My reference above shows that they weren’t, and that they had the same intelligence available to them as the White House. Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Not true.
Even if defunding wouldn’t make it through; shouldn’t anybody that’s REALLY opposed to the war make the attempt… if nothing else they could then show their unwavering support to ending the war.
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Yeah, you propagandist schmucks have been crying for that for weeks, hoping to blame Dems for your Iraq failures… That sort of planning may work when your adversaries are other stupid CONs, but unfortunate for you, we’re smarter and more experienced as a governing political party and as patriotic americans who aren’t just pushing for ‘cheap political tricks’.
People like you are a disgrace to this country.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pmThanks TP,
February 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pmNow all you bickering name-callers go back and read the new #55. It really is relevent to the original thread.
Downing Street Memo? The same facts were available to both the White House AND Congress. Please give a reference on how Congress was “stampeded†into acquiescing to the war. My reference above shows that they weren’t, and that they had the same intelligence available to them as the White House.
Here’s your reference, tough guy. At the beginning of the war, Saddam gave the US a fourteen thousand page document listing all the weapons he had, and where he procured them from. When the Bush administration turned the document over to the UN, ten thousand pages of information had been redacted. Congress has never seen what’s contained in those redacted pages - so you assertion is false, and laughable as well.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pmactually ppl like dale are authoritarian followers…these ppl have historically been one of the greatest threats to democracies. enabling nitwits…
February 16th, 2007 at 1:39 pm#44, it’s all about politics when you hold a political office; every decision, every statement you make has a political dimension… that’s just a fact of life.
That’s how conservatives justify immoral character assassinations. That’s more of an indictment of your personal immorality, than anything.
#45, thank your brother for me; I appreciate his service and hope he makes it back from his deployment healthy and whole.
Yet you’re working to ensure he doesn’t. Typical hypocrite.
#49, his ‘concerns’ are not backed up by facts such as my reference above. Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Dear sweet boy, the facts don’t back you up. I suggest you learn what facts mean - you’re confused.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:40 pmCan someone please confirm that Lincoln as congressman voted against funding the war with Mexico because it was US AGGRESSION? I think this is far more analogous to what the discussion is today in Congress. The US is not fighting a war in the US for its very survival–resulting in one million US casualties, the US is on the other side of the world most definitely engaging in AGGRESSION. Just like we wanted to take control of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, and Colorado—we also wanted to take control of Iraq (and Iran?). We lied and said Mexicans attacked Texans first. We lied about every reason for the Iraq war and occupation. If some Democrats can be fooled into going along, that doesn’t make it true or the correct action.
Comment by keith — February 16, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
February 16th, 2007 at 1:44 pm#57, please show me an example of my ‘hatred’; I’m cynical of politicians, yes, but I don’t think I’ve shown any hatred of anybody in this thread (or anywhere on this site).
As far as my responses to Tim… gee, looks like I’m damned if I do, damned if I don’t. First, you don’t like my willingness to meet violence with violence, but then you think I “whined” to the admins, and that I’m a coward. What was the correct response in your eyes?
Please tell me who I defended??? In fact, firehead was the only other person I addressed directly… do you think I defended him?
#59, re: post #30, I said
So I didn’t defend him; in fact I called for a retraction like most others on here. Sen Young was wrong, dead wrong, in saying what he said. At the *least*, he should’ve checked the quote… but even so, it was irresponsible of him to say it.
Oh, and BarFly, Tim, and any others that threaten violence??? (which, btw, is this really a progressive ideal?) Yeah, if you threaten violence, then I’ll defend myself.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:44 pm#65…good point, it just seems to me from listening to her that she comes across as being simply against the execution of this war (remember when the neocons refused to even call it a war?) but not necessarily against giving a President that kind of power. No one person should have that kind of power and this war criminal and his cabal of fascists are proving exactly why.
That being said, if she IS the Dem nominee she will get my vote hands down. I should have clarified in the first place, I was speaking only of the primary…if I had to choose between voting for one of these Repubicans (not a typo) or death I’d choose death!
February 16th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAs far as my responses to Tim… gee, looks like I’m damned if I do, damned if I don’t. First, you don’t like my willingness to meet violence with violence, but then you think I “whined†to the admins, and that I’m a coward. What was the correct response in your eyes? Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Both. That’s the irony of conservatism. You’re really cowards, and we both know you wouldn’t show up yourself, you’d hide in the bushes with a gun… Yet you spout off like a big boy, while whining to have someone clean up your own mess.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:47 pm“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
February 16th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWell, I see that I was wrong about Dale. He is definitely a koolaid drinker, judging from the explosive enthusiasm he has just shown for the Bush administration.
By the way, Paul O’Neill says that the Bush gang started planning for war with Iraq before 9/11 had even happened, and not just some contingency plan, either. Bush was directly involved, and if we know one thing about Bush for sure, it is that this man simply does not do contingencies. Hell, he’s too lazy to even formulate a decent plan when he knows it is for real!
Dale, here is a homework assignment: study what the PNAC crowd were writing about back the ’90s, and start connecting the big, fat dots to Bush and Iraq now. Does the path point towards Teheran, perhaps?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:48 pm“In these times we must remember, above all other things: every Republican, down to the very last one, including myself, holds within himself the seeds of jboth Stupidity and Venality.
“And if he works diligently, foolishly, and arrogantly, as I have endeavored to do, then any Republican may be Stupid.
“But where the real challenge lies is reaching deep within oneself to find a true reservoir of falsehood and deception, and if you dedicate yourself to the proposition of serving your masters and your crazed ideologies above all else, a Republican will be Venal.”
– quote from Congressman Don Young (R-AK)
February 16th, 2007 at 1:49 pmWow, #63, I don’t know whether you defended me or not :-)
February 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pmYeah, if you threaten violence, then I’ll defend myself.
From the safety of your mom’s basement. I’m impressed. What’s the matter? The rhetoric coming from your side is much more viscious, yet you strain at internet gnats such as us, who can do you no harm.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#55 was removed twice. It is back again.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pmDale sez:
If you actually read through the PNAC’s Rebuilding America’s Defenses that you so blithely linked to, you’d understand the stupidity of your statement. This invasion wasn’t planned as part of “military preparedness”…it was planned as an essential step on the path to U.S global hegemony, and it was executed in the same spirit.
“Not affiliated with the government”. That’s the best laugh I’ve had all day, Dale…thank you.
Again with Clinton! What is it with you neocons having to try to trace all the world’s evils back to Clinton? I’m no fan of Clinton…he was a genuine shady character, but the sheer hatred you neocons have for him is just plain pathological.
Hey Dale. Join us here in the present. Clinton hasn’t been President since 2000. Kthx.
Didn’t actually follow the link, did you? Or are you trying to say that every member of Congress needs to now personally vet all intel, on the off chance that the administration is attempting to mislead them? Hmm? Is that what you’re actually saying?
Cute, but no. In your last post you stated (emphasis mine):
I explained how that was untrue. Quit trying to move the goalposts.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pmSo Dale, no comments on my debunking your weak ass assertion about the war, and what info congress had access to?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pmValiant, you’re rather amusing… in a childish sorta way.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:56 pmSo basically, he used a lie to promote violence to people in Office…
February 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pmShocking! And he stands by they lie too!
Wow, #63, I don’t know whether you defended me or not :-)
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
I had to take it back (#83) after reading some more of your spew.
Question, Dale: do you favor expanding the war to Iran anytime soon? I ask because that is what we are about to get thanks to enablers like you.
February 16th, 2007 at 1:58 pmBarfly, I’m assuming that you’re talking about #76? If so, do you have a reference that I can read?
February 16th, 2007 at 1:59 pmWrong link to Gaffney’s oped.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:05 pmRepublicans will fabricate, lie or distort to sell their twisted ideas.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:06 pmIt’s a crime to mislead congress. If knows the quote is a lie and refuses to retract it I would think he is by definition guitly of a crime.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:06 pmIf so, do you have a reference that I can read?
Comment by Dale
So you didn’t know this? What other pieces of common knowledge about the run up to war don’t you know about? And you feel qualified to opine about things you know nothing of? Google “Saddam’s weapons’ declaration.”
February 16th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI explained how that was untrue. Quit trying to move the goalposts.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — February 16, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Now that Dale has quit beating around the bush and revealed his Neocon allegiance, we can expect to see a lot of this sort of thing as others pin him down and box him in with the truth. We are already seeing examples of the “I know you are but what I am?” diversionary tactic (hint to Dale: this tactic doesn’t fool anyone around here).
February 16th, 2007 at 2:10 pmVerbalknit sez:
Indeed. I’ve dealt with that tactic from Seixon too many times for an amateur like Dale to throw me with it now. ^_^
February 16th, 2007 at 2:13 pmOther Lincoln quotes:
“Those who use lies to justify war are traitors, and should be arrested, exiled or hanged.”
“Those who act against the will of the people are traitors and should be arrested, impeached and hanged.”
“Those kool-aid drinkers who unflinchingly support George W. Bush should be arrested, exiled or hanged.”
“Those who deny that global warming is caused by man, should be arrested, exiled or hanged.”
Isn’t this fun!
February 16th, 2007 at 2:14 pmre: VerbalKint
You are at the top of your game on this topic!
I know there are many Republicans that see the madness, but close their eyes and pretend it is not there.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIt has indeed been a huge pleasure watching these
February 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pmreactionary Thugs commit political suicide. Last evening
Rep Buyer accused the democrats of turning on Israel.
In heated emotive tones, that would make any Evangelical
blush, he repeated it over and over again. Then he had
the nerve to say he meant no offense. Of course, these
madmen have been unchallenged for so long, their
brow beating of all with an opposing opinion is common
place. They keep forgetting the vast majority of the voters
are wise to their double speak, and outright groveling to
the Executive branch. 2008 can not come fast enough.
They insist on keeping their meat grinder going in Iraq,
and leave it for others to clean up after they leave office,
with their Swiss account full of Euros. True conservatives
would never act like a pack of riffraff the way these
Reich wingers do, and are near reclaiming their Party from
these reactionaries. One would think we are living in 1933
Berlin from the way Young talks. Perhaps we are.
Here’s another quote by Lincoln; ” Don Young is a liar and a porker with the oil industry.” His Bridge to Nowhere is a farce and an obvious attempt to steal from the US treasury.”
February 16th, 2007 at 2:36 pmCongress voted on the authorization to use military force in Iraq in October, 2002.
Saddam’s weapons declaration was not issued until early December 2002.
So, Barfly’s attempt to argue that Congress voted to approve the use of force only after reading a redacted version of the declaration is incorrect.
Congress voted to authorize force almost two months before the declaration was ever turned over by Iraq.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:40 pmTheir whole argument is: agree with us or you are a traitor and should be hanged. Authoritarian fascists!! We just might be headed for another civil war; between those who believe in democracy and those trying to destroy it.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pm#49, his ‘concerns’ are not backed up by facts such as my reference above.
Comment by Dale — February 16, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Ummm…hold on there, bucko. I think it’s safe to say that FactCheck.org doesn’t have all the “facts” just yet. As of Dec. 2006 there were still 3 unreleased sections of the Phase Two report from the Senate Intelligence Committee which as we all know was delayed by Pat Roberts for 2 years.
I do believe that Phase Two deals with the administration’s use of pre-war intelligence.
As for revelations in the Downing Street Minutes, former CIA guy Tyler Drumheller (European Operations) is on the record as also saying the intelligence was fixed around the policy. It’s a recent post on crooksandliars.com. Go play with the search function and you’ll find it. Basically, he warned George Tenent to let revelations from “Curveball” appear in Powell’s speech to the U.N. and was assured that it would be taken care of. It wasn’t.
As for the various reports & investigations referenced in your link to FactCheck, how can you be so sure that the authors & investigators of those reports revealed EVERYTHING to the public? As we recently learned, the 9/11 Commission withheld information from the public when it released its report.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmHmm, so far I can’t find any reference that the redacted version of the Weapons Declaration was the only one made available to Congress. The U.N., yes, but not Congress.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmDude, wouldn’t it have just been easier to say “Stop hurting the morale of our troops.” that to falsely attribute a quote from Lincoln, a man whose every word has practically been immortalized in history?
February 16th, 2007 at 2:48 pmDale,
The redacted version of the weapons declaration was given only to the non-permanent members of the UN Security Council. The five permanent members of the SC (U.S., China, Russia, France, and UK) all received the complete 12,000-page weapons dossier.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:54 pmKenny said that Young had learned of the quote from Tuesday’s Washington Times op-ed by Frank Gaffney, and noted that the Times has not yet issued a correction or retraction. Kenny said she “couldn’t confirm or deny†that Young would correct his statement even if the Times published a correction.
WTF? Am I reading this wrong? If the Times doesn’t retract it must be true? Young or his office can’t find out themselves if the quote is real? How sad, stupid, ridiculous; pick an adjective.
February 16th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWTF? Am I reading this wrong? If the Times doesn’t retract it must be true? Young or his office can’t find out themselves if the quote is real? How sad, stupid, ridiculous; pick an adjective.
Comment by red state liberal — February 16, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
What about “how conservative of them.”
February 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmthanks for #109.
So, re: #76, why do you say
February 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTesting….just would like to know if I have been banned from this thread. My last five posts have disappeared down the rabbit hole.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:06 pmSo, Barfly’s attempt to argue that Congress voted to approve the use of force only after reading a redacted version of the declaration is incorrect.
Comment by Exley — February 16, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
They gave Bush the option to declare war (a violation of the constitution) if the last round of inspections failed to disarm him.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:11 pmCongress voted to authorize force almost two months before the declaration was ever turned over by Iraq.
Comment by Exley — February 16, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Based on what we now know was political motivated and completely misleading ‘intelligence’ from Douglas Feith, under the direction of Rumsfeld and Cheney. Are you also going to argue that Bush was ignorant of this intentional dissembling of intelligence?
I’m OK with either answer. Either Cheney and company are responsible for the lies, and Bush is an incompetent fool that can’t keep his own staff in line. Or Bush is behind this, and ordered Feith to mislead congress.
Either way, we now know that Feith did mislead both the CIA and Congress, and Feith worked for Bush.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCongress voted on the authorization to use military force in Iraq in October, 2002.
Saddam’s weapons declaration was not issued until early December 2002.
So, Barfly’s attempt to argue that Congress voted to approve the use of force only after reading a redacted version of the declaration is incorrect.
Congress voted to authorize force almost two months before the declaration was ever turned over by Iraq.
Comment by Exley — February 16, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Hey there, Exley! I need to just do a little nit-picking — first, yes, the idiots in Congress did vote to authorize the use of force, but did so in part because Bush wanted the authorization to help bolster his case with the UN, and also because Bush kept saying that force would only be used AS A LAST RESORT. Second, if Bush had Hussein’s weapons list, and the IAEA inspectors weren’t finding any WMDs, why did Bush still insist on invading Iraq?
Aside from that, how the hell are you? :-)
February 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWhy would he retract it? Young has no morals, no integrity, and a seemingly infinite number of standards.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:24 pmOkay, Dale, lets see what Bush was right about.
Taxes?
Bush and his boys claimed that reducing taxes would increase tax income.
- Tax income dropped so low that America achieved its worst deficits in history, with 2004 as the third worst inflation adjusted deficit in the history of America, and the war America was engaged in during the two years that beat 2004 (WWII) was on the budget. Iraq has thus far not been included on the deficit figures, it is funded via emergency spending provisions.
Bush claims the economy is going strong. Lets look at the real indicators here: Inflation, manufacturing and personal debt. Not unemployment because the unemployment stat is a pure reflection of who is on benefits and not every unemployed person is, not the Dow, which is based on the 30 companies least effected by bad governments, but Inflation, manufacturing and personal debt.
Inflation as a figure is basically all about how much people are spending versus how much is getting produced. Now, manufacturing in America has for the last few months been around the 50 range (With figures below 50 indicating shrinkage, and over 50 indicating growth.)
Inflation has been really, really low. Only about 2-3%, which on the surface looks good. Except inflation is a symptom of spending and production. If neither goes up, then inflation won’t go up.
You see, here is the problem, personal indebtedness in America is up. No denying it, Americans owe more today then they did yesterday, and those debts are piling up fast.
What is happening is that Americans have less money to spend, so they are spending their savings and going into debt. It isn’t a matter of Americans spending more (In constant 2000 $) that would fuel higher inflation or production, no what is happening is that Americans simply have less money then they did.
And this is the true signature of GW Bush’s economy.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmHi, Tripmaster, I hope your posts show up again, you’ve been on a roll today!
For those who have been asking about Wayne’s whereabouts, well, for the time being he’s staying off the internets, including his blog. I won’t go into why, it’s too long and annoying a story. He’ll be back eventually. Other than that he is well, health-wise (he’s not on the DL), he’s just really busy at work. Thanks to those who have asked about him (and me) recently.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:28 pmRe: Basically, he warned George Tenent to let revelations from “Curveball†appear in Powell’s speech to the U.N. and was assured that it would be taken care of. It wasn’t.
Typo. Should be “he warned George Tenent to NOT let revelations from ‘Curveball’ appear in Powell’s speech to the U.N.”
Sorry.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:29 pmHey Jane…Haven’t seen you here in a while. How are you? How’s Wayne? I was sorry to see he is no longer blogging.
As to what I wrote, I am not debating the quality of pre-war intelligence or the use of intelligence in the run-up to the war…Those are separate subjects for another time….
My point focused on the very narrow issue of Barfly’s incorrect chronology.
In trying to argue that Congress was “stampeded” into voting to give the president the authority to use force in Iraq, Barfly tried to claim as an example of this alleged pressure (with no citation, by the way) that Congress never got to see the full 12,000 page dossier provided by Iraq.
But, as I pointed out, the congressional vote on the AUMF was in October, 2002 while the dossier was not released by Iraq until December 2002. It would have been extremely for Congress, before voting on the AUMF, to read a dossier — redacted or not — that was not released by Iraq until two months later.
Pitchers and catchers have reported, Jane!
February 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pm#30 Dale
#25, Sen. Young didn’t manufacture the quote; someone else did and attributed it to Lincoln; Sen Young just repeated it. Get your facts straight.
I didn’t misstate any facts. Did I say Young manufactured the quote? No. There’s a long train of idiots responsible for this crap. That’s what I was referring to collectively. Firehead’s just the caboose.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:33 pmI feel sorry for the Dales of this world. They need to feel important, so they make nasty cracks to folks who disagree with them - but they do it in chat rooms, not in the real world. Sad, sad, sad little men, just like their heroes
February 16th, 2007 at 3:36 pmAnyone curious as I am about what Cheney was doing during all his visits to CIA Langley leading up to the war?
February 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmMy bet is that he was adding to his fingernail collection.
Comment by Exley — February 16, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Yeah, let’s hope for a good season! I’ve been out with pneumonia for 3 weeks, that’s why I haven’t been around much. I’m back to work, but my doc says I won’t feel 100% until, as she put it, “Opening Day”! (Not that I’m lucky enough to have tickets.)
Back on topic, I wasn’t questioning the timing of the AUMF vs the weapons dossier, I’m taking your word for that. But I doubt that even the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee (who got to see more intel than the rest of the Senate but were sworn to secrecy) got to see the unredacted version of the weapons list.
Regardless, I’ve got to shut down soon and head home. Have a good weekend, everyone!
February 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pmCall this inbred al Crackkker sombich…
…and let him know that you hope…
…we hang his cowardly a*s first…
1-202-225-5765
February 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pm#10: I agree with this guy and Lincoln. Hang ‘em high (and all liberals too).
Thank you for going on record saying that 90 million Americans should be murdered for their political views. Now we can go on with our business without having to take you seriously.
February 16th, 2007 at 3:52 pmBye Janie!
February 16th, 2007 at 3:58 pmThe Righties simply do not see where there choosen path is leading … to their destruction. So don’t even bother trying to argue with the goal of changing their minds. The 30 percenters simply will not be swayed. Instead help them move more quickly along their choosen past.
BushCo will be forced to withdraw US troops from Iraq and that will spell a permanent end to the Right’s tenuous hold on power in our great country.
February 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pmBye, RUCerious! :-D (you can call me ‘Janie’, I only take that from people I like!)
February 16th, 2007 at 4:02 pmThe first casualty of war is the truth.
February 16th, 2007 at 4:03 pmBig papa
I just made the call. The idiot who answered the phone had no idea what to say when I
February 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pmdemanded an apology from Young then and there.
That’s choosen path in #129.
February 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pmComment by pete #132
He was probably surprised…
…because that fat bastich probably hasn’t received two calls…
…since he was elected…
February 16th, 2007 at 4:14 pmPAGING Don Young! PAGING Don Young!
February 16th, 2007 at 4:14 pmA MR. ABRAHAM LINCOLN WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU…
HE’S WAITING IN THE FOYER…
YOU CAN’T MISS HIM–HE HAS A NOOSE IN HIS HAND!
FLASH!
The body of Rep. Don Young(R-AK)was found dangling from a rope made of razor wire in The Lincoln Memorial today. Young, a repugnant-repub who recently misquoted Lincoln’s “hanging statement”, was nearly decapitated by the hanging wire, which had cut into his fat neck…stangely enough, the found his blood splashed all over the hands of Lincoln’s statue in the Memorial Building…
Aint no retractin the factin. Lincoln did say this in essence. How would you deomcrats know what is the truth and what isnt? I mean your idol is Al Gore of all people. You believe in the sanctity of gay marriage. You beleive in abortion.
You do not know the first thing about truth.
February 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pm#122
Gee, my mistake… it sure LOOKED like you said Lincoln manufactured it.
#123, thanks so much for your pity… can you please tell me the “nasty cracks to folks who disagree with them” that I made? Especially compare any comments I made to comments that were made to me?
February 16th, 2007 at 4:17 pmlauren = rachel?
February 16th, 2007 at 4:21 pmoh lauren… you can do better.
c-
February 16th, 2007 at 4:25 pm