8 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan.
By on Feb 18th, 2007 at 8:40 am
8 U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan.
“Eight U.S. troops were killed and 14 wounded when a military helicopter crashed Sunday in southeastern Afghanistan after reporting engine failure, a coalition statement said.”
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Thats good news … Was it shot down with a Russian SAM
February 18th, 2007 at 8:49 am26 coalition troops have been killed in Afghan this year alone …….. keep up the good work indurgents …
why are cooalition troops their anyway … Bin Ladens dead , Just there to prop up another puppet goverment …….. wait till the next elections then Its goodbye your out
February 18th, 2007 at 8:55 amThat is NOT good news, especially for the families and loved ones of those killed and wounded. Helicopters can be a tremendous advantage for a military, especially in a wide open country with very few roads…BUT…they are extremely vulnerable to a clever and determined enemy. One has to wonder why these billions of defence dollars can’t be used to repair and replace these aging helicopters.
February 18th, 2007 at 8:59 ammore good news this murdering bastard get 8 years and makes American exceptionalism look small
CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. – A Marine who said he never fired a shot in the kidnapping and murder of an Iraqi man was sentenced Saturday to 8 years in military prison — the longest sentence yet in the case.
February 18th, 2007 at 9:03 am“crashed”, followed in a week or two by
February 18th, 2007 at 9:29 am“shot-down”, in a small print/mention, when all is forgotten & a few tragedies down the road
When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, we supplied the “Freedom Fighters” (now the terrorists) with stinger missiles . Moscow’s overwhelming control of air space was greatly neutralized . Apparently, this lesson was not lost on the current insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan.
February 18th, 2007 at 9:46 amI’m guessing, with his ursurping of Congressional powers, King George will blame this on Iran, and in his usual Nixonian megalomania, bomb them.
We know he will do anything to get what he wants.
And as long as the Average American can be distracted with new episiodes of desperation television and American Idol repeats 24/7, the Bastille will remain unchallenged…
February 18th, 2007 at 10:12 amThats good news
Comment by Tobey Tall — February 18, 2007 @ 8:49 am
Tobey, you lose legitimacy and credibility when you blame the wrong people and celebrate their deaths.
Focus on blasting the Bush Regime – those are the people who control all of this.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:15 amPeriod US Other Total
+ 2007 11 2 13
+ 2006 98 93 191
+ 2005 99 31 130
+ 2004 52 6 58
+ 2003 48 9 57
+ 2002 48 20 68
+ 2001 12 0 12
Total 368 161 529
February 18th, 2007 at 10:17 amI support the insurgency in getting rid of the occupiying forces – dont care what country they come from or whoever they are they – i wish the insurgency all the best
February 18th, 2007 at 10:20 amMeanwhile, back in Baghdad:
Double car bombing kills at least 56 in Baghdad
February 18th, 2007 at 10:28 amPOSTED: 9:33 a.m. EST, February 18, 2007
re#8 unbelievable
Why does Toby lose legitimacy and credibility for not being a HYPOCRITE?
If it is OK to celebrate the deaths of German soldiers who are committing crimes against humanity by launching an unprovoked attack on Poland, why is in NOT OK to celebrate the deaths of American soldiers who are committing crimes against humanity by lanuching an unprovoked attack on Afghanistan?
Why are the people who are actually committing these crimes not wrong, and only the leaders that sent them?
Every person has the choice of not participating in crimes against humanity, and those who make that choice deserve to be killed by the people they are committing the crimes against.
Nobody from the Taliban was named in the 9-11 false flag attacks, the Taliban asked for proof of Bin-Ladin’s guilt and said they would try to find and extradite him if the United States would show them it.
I guess when a criminal who commits a crime in another country hides in America, that country has the right to start a war against America, drop bombs, kill innocents, and change the government because the criminal is hiding in America.
Al-qada had a training camp in NJ where the “government alleged” hijackers were living and working before before 9-11, so why were bombs not dropped on NJ?
February 18th, 2007 at 10:35 amYeah, look at Toby, celebrating American deaths.
But notice the bigger picture, how think progress posted this. You don’t see any posts about American victories or the Tailban deaths. But when Americans die, hey let’s all celebrate.
Traitors.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:36 amengine failure…
February 18th, 2007 at 10:36 amyeah the engine in bush’s brain…
i wish the insurgency all the best
Comment by Tobey Tall — February 18, 2007 @ 10:20 am
That’s what irrational conservatives do – they pick a side and defend it regardless of anything else.
Sorry to see you go down that path. You used to have a lot to offer as someone with access to news stories we don’t have.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amlets face it
WMD
members of Al Queda
then saddam
When you gonna leave Iraq so they can get on as normal without your murdering thiefing rapist troops being in Iraq
February 18th, 2007 at 10:44 ami wish the insurgency all the best
get used to the way most people think , except American exceptionalism
February 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amre#15 unbelivable
That’s what irrational conservatives do – they pick a side and defend it regardless of anything else.
No that is what HYPOCRITES do!
The side that throws the first punch is WRONG, and I thought everyone would have learned that by elementry school.
Neither the nation of Afghanistan or the nation of Iraq, attacked or was in the process of attacking the nation of the United States, so the United States is WRONG.
It is plain and simple for those of us like me and Tobet Tall who are not HYPOCRITES!
February 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amThe Soviets thought they controlled Afghanstan in the first two years after invading the country in 1978 the war.
They thought the war was over.
But the war dragged on for almost 10 years.
As a result, the Soviets left Afghanstan, just like the English did a century before them.
Bush also declared the war was won in Afghanstan against the Taliban, now we find that they are coming back. Their numbers are even larger.
Bush said he ’smoked them out’ ,and ‘they are on the run’…..Bush said also :’Bring it on…’,and the Talibans now are back.
Taliban might not be able to advance with tanks to Kabul,but they can create havoc on US backed and supported Karazie regime in Kabul.
Bush now is depending on NATO support,because most of our troops are fighting now another bigger war in Iraq.
Some of NATO countries under pressure from their own people not to get more involved than the level they have now in Afghanstan
The fear now of a large scale military operation by the Taliban that the media is talking about this coming spring. If we attack Iran, Iranians have a big influence on both countries to their east Afghanstan,and to their west Iraq.
This will intensify the fighting level in these two countries should we start another war with Iran starts. Some parts of Western Afghanstan are Shiate and they speak ‘Farsi/Persian’ language also.
The problem in Afghanstan now and in Iraq is the people in both countries asking themselves :”Are we living better now than before the war or not?” , If things do not get better,politically and economically…then these two governments in Iraq and Afghanstan might not be able to survive the wrath of the coming events and the anger of people.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amTobey, celebrating the death of any person is as wrong as ordering the death of a any person.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amBesides, Tobey before US, UK was the largest and oldest terrorist state. UK was the creator of insurance companies due to the fear based propaganda.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:51 amre#20 Juan C
When the police kill a person shooting and killing innocent people, we should not be happy that they killed that person and stopped them before they could kill more people?
Why is that a sad event, and not a happy event?
February 18th, 2007 at 10:51 amWhy does Toby lose legitimacy and credibility for not being a HYPOCRITE?
It’s the way in which he does it. He has a right to do it, but it’s the wrong deaths to celebrate. The soliders didn’t deploy themselves there. It was the Bush Regime who sent them and who keeps them there. You really think the average soldier is capable of this? That Army of One bullshit is simply that.
If it is OK to celebrate the deaths of German soldiers who are committing crimes against humanity by launching an unprovoked attack on Poland, why is in NOT OK to celebrate the deaths of American soldiers who are committing crimes against humanity by lanuching an unprovoked attack on Afghanistan?
9/11 was the provocation for attacking Afghanistan for harboring bin Laden. I’m not saying I fully supported it, but that was the reason they went there.
Granted, the Bush Regime, like everything else he touches, fouled up that task as well and we should have been long gone by now…
Why are the people who are actually committing these crimes not wrong, and only the leaders that sent them?
I have a brother we served in the Army. I come from a long line of ‘war heros’ (congressional metal of honor recipent included). I understand your argument, and still juggle that myself. But then I have a conversation with my brother and am reminded at how much he was brainwashed by the Army that he is incapable of thinking for himself. And he is typical of the kind of guys who have blind faith in the military. Wasn’t very interested in school, was a C student, kind of a loner who wasn’t popular on any level, failed out of college his second semester and turned to the Army to save him when he couldn’t stop snorting cocaine. He can’t think for himself because he turned that over to his personal Jesus – the United States Army.
Every person has the choice of not participating in crimes against humanity, and those who make that choice deserve to be killed by the people they are committing the crimes against.
I don’t know about that anymore. I teach high school juniors and seniors. They resist thinking, because they have grown used to beingpunished for it…
Nobody from the Taliban was named in the 9-11 false flag attacks, the Taliban asked for proof of Bin-Ladin’s guilt and said they would try to find and extradite him if the United States would show them it.
I’m no more inclined to trust the Taliban than I am Bush.
I guess when a criminal who commits a crime in another country hides in America, that country has the right to start a war against America, drop bombs, kill innocents, and change the government because the criminal is hiding in America.
Bush set that precident. So, by his actions, he has said exactly that.
Look, I am against war. I just think Tobey cheering the deaths of some soldiers in a helicopter is focusing on the wrong criminals.
Al-qada had a training camp in NJ where the “government alleged†hijackers were living and working before before 9-11, so why were bombs not dropped on NJ?
Comment by criticalthinker — February 18, 2007 @ 10:35 am
We all know that Bush Regime is filled wth illegal hypocrites.
Pre-emptive war is illegal. We have no business in Iraq.
Maybe we had no business in Afghanistan, but the world did support that action at the time. Everything else that has happened since then has probably changed it.
I just think celebrating the deaths of the soldiers takes the focus off Bush.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amWhen you gonna leave Iraq so they can get on as normal without your murdering thiefing rapist troops being in Iraq
Comment by Tobey Tall — February 18, 2007 @ 10:44 am
I’m not in Iraq.
I never wanted US troops to be in Iraq,
I write some elected official weekly to demnad we leave Iraq.
In November, I voted against those who supported the war in Iraq.
And I am not alone here.
What else do you want from us?
Go to a Republican website and post. Here, you are attacking those who are AGAINST Iraq.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amMake that AGAINST the war on Iraq…
February 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amNo that is what HYPOCRITES do!
No – it’s what conservatives do. It’s picking a side and refusing to see anything else.
The side that throws the first punch is WRONG, and I thought everyone would have learned that by elementry school.
That’s just an absolutistic statement. If someone comes into your house with the intention of harming you or your family and you shoot them, first, you are in a position of self-defense.
I agree that Bush’s attack on Iraq was wrong, as they did nothing. But, while I think attacking Afghanistan was narrow minded, it did come from 9/11 – in which we were attacked first.
Neither the nation of Afghanistan or the nation of Iraq, attacked or was in the process of attacking the nation of the United States, so the United States is WRONG.
That’s NOT what the discussion is about. It’s about the soldiers sent to Afghanistan. About Tobey cheering their deaths.
It is plain and simple for those of us like me and Tobet Tall who are not HYPOCRITES!
Comment by criticalthinker — February 18, 2007 @ 10:46 am
Explain how I am a hypocrite? Because I don’t think you can paint every American with the same brush?
Please – your Anti-American sentiment has you so blind to it that you cannot see that the death of some scared young kid sent to defend his country is extreme, and then call me a hypocrite? You are the hypocrites – and I’ll explain.
You say you’re against aggression, but then you are cheering for it. Hypocritical.
And, by the way, my conversation was without malice. But by calling me names, it’s clear that you don’t see that not all Americans support Bush. Sheesh…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:04 am#12 – “Every person has the choice of not participating in crimes against humanity”
I can sort of understand how you’re coming to your conclusions. But… please understand most of these soldiers went to war based on lies they were told. They signed up because they THOUGHT they were fighting a real danger. Now, they are stuck there, repeating tours.
The real REAL criminals are those who lied to them and put them there. We all know who they are.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:06 amre#23 unbelievable
Do you extend that same they cannot think for themselves reasoning for a get out of “jail free for crimes against humanity card” to Britians, Nazis, al-Qada, Talibans, Iraqis, Sudanese, Israelis, and any other people in the world who commit acts of violence against innocents?
If you do not, then you are a HYPOCRITE.
I have family who are criminals for particiapting in the Iraq war, and the fact that they have similar DNA sequences than me does not excuse them, nor does their C averages.
They are cowards who would rather kill innocents, than face jail for standung up for what they KNOW is right.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amre:#26 unbelievable
I am an American, and I am not anti self, and nowhere did I ever say all Americans support Bush.
HYPOCRISY does not cloud my judgement, and their is nothing wrong with wanting people who are killing innocent people to be killed so that they cannot kill more innocents.
I do not put “primitive” allegences like nation or blood to rise above my sense of RIGHT and WRONG.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:21 amre#27: Anonymous By Choice
Lets say that Iraq had all the nuclear weapons that the Soviet Union had, Russia has, China has, Pakistan has, Israel has, India has, Britian has, or North Korea has, even though everybody in the world knows they did not.
We did not and do not attack those countries for having those weapons, so why would that make it OK for us to attack Iraq?
If having weapons of mass destruction is a valid reason for starting a war, then every country has the right to launch an unprovoked attack on the United States, right?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:27 amDo you extend that same they cannot think for themselves reasoning for a get out of “jail free for crimes against humanity card†to Britians, Nazis, al-Qada, Talibans, Iraqis, Sudanese, Israelis, and any other people in the world who commit acts of violence against innocents?
Unlike you, I do not give blind passes to anyone.
I told you that I struggle with the soldiers level of ‘guilt’ in the war. I also look at them on an individual basis, and many soldiers have chosen to walk away from the war in Iraq. But not all can. I imagine that would apply to people in similar situations – but not to all. It’s not a recipe for judgment – I’m simply trying to tell you that there is more to it that the surface level of ovbiousness.
In the past I have told conservatives here that we should understand that teh Middle East is more violent than our own country because of the struggle for survival over there. In some aspects, that might give them a larger level of understanding, for violence has been their way of life.
We here have also said that bush is making new Anti-American terrorists here by attacking innocent Iraqis.
If you do not, then you are a HYPOCRITE.
I am not a hypocrite. But I’ll give you another example of hypocrisy:
Calling all Americans evil due to Bush’s actions, yet refusing to accept accountabuility for Tony Blair’s equally bloody actions.
Until you do something about Tony Blair – you have no room to criticize the liberals in America. If we=Bush, then you=Blair and you should start attacking yourself for your own military involvement in Iraq.
I have family who are criminals for particiapting in the Iraq war, and the fact that they have similar DNA sequences than me does not excuse them, nor does their C averages.
I wasn’t giving excuses. I was giving reality-based explanations for why many of these people do what they do. If you cannot differeniate, then there are things you didn’t get in third grade either.
They are cowards who would rather kill innocents, than face jail for standung up for what they KNOW is right.
Comment by criticalthinker — February 18, 2007 @ 11:15 am
And suprior you are not willing to understand why they are that way so that you might be able to do something about it?
Sad – that’s exactly why 9/11 happened in the first place. Some people thought they were too good to have to listen to some other people…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amcriticalthinker,
We’re so proud that you’ve learned a new word! And you can use it in a sentence (or 400!)
Hypocrite, yes, we get it, you aren’t one, or so you think… anyone who goes to SO much trouble to announce that they are NOT a hypocrite obviously has issues with their own “hypocrisy”.
Moral superiority complex is NOT A noble virtue.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:29 amTake a young American who is having trouble getting a good job, a good education,good health care, and a good slice of the American dream….and send him on a helicopter trip over enemy territory. Then sell the helicopter, the bullets, the uniforms, the weapons, all at a really high price. Who is this working for????
February 18th, 2007 at 11:31 amI am an American, and I am not anti self, and nowhere did I ever say all Americans support Bush.
You act like one of the Anti-American Brits who come here.
You didn’t say it, but you’re acting like it by supporting Tobey’s claims.
HYPOCRISY does not cloud my judgement, and their is nothing wrong with wanting people who are killing innocent people to be killed so that they cannot kill more innocents.
You are a hypocrite. You’re just like the abortion clinic bombers who want to kill doctors to stop them from perform abortions.
You can’t claim you are against killing by suporting it.
I do not put “primitive†allegences like nation or blood to rise above my sense of RIGHT and WRONG.
Comment by criticalthinker — February 18, 2007 @ 11:21 am
Maybe not – but you sure aren’t willing to give anyone else the same courtesy.
Besides, right and wrong are SUBJECTIVE.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:32 amVery sad news, but I doubt engine failure took down the helicopter. More likely an American Stinger missile that the Taliban got ahold of years ago when the CIA supplied them to fight the Russians.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:14 pmTobey, celebrating the death of any person is as wrong as ordering the death of a any person.
Comment by Juan C
I agree.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmWas this one brought down by a Chinese made SAM missile too?
February 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThere have been more and more CH61’s brought down lately with SAM (Chinese made) missiles than anything else. I doubt we will ever know the truth on these downings.
They wouldn’t want to lull us out of our false sense of “security”
This is what keeps us “complacent” in their eyes. And they are right! They have made us stoop to the “lesser of two evils” bait and switch, in that “things coud always be alot “worse” over there. MSM media reports the war just like that also.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pmSince there is no video, the powers that be decided to blame this on engine failure. Once again.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWhy is it sad that some people had died? If you’re a christian, then they are in heaven with 72 virgins and that’s not a sad thing. If you are an atheist then maybe it is sad for their families.
40,000 people die everyday. I’ll be many of you are sad for them. Spend all day crying. But wait, we can replace the person who died. Just have one of the millions of obese women pop out more babies. It’s not like we have overpopulation or something.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:50 pmCould be a Russian missile took down the chopper. They have a version of the US Stinger that they copied from one. Would be ironic that Russians would get even for Afghanistan-Russia war by selling their Stingers to Taliban and insurgents in Iraq.
February 18th, 2007 at 1:05 pmAnd who were The Soviets’ allies, in the Afghanistan-Russia war???
February 18th, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe Northern Alliance. Uzbekistan et al WERE part of the Soviet Union. And they were the troops that took Kabul, and won the Afghan war in 2002 with US. So who won what???
Badger. Answer: The ones who win are the ones who don’t quit.
February 19th, 2007 at 7:29 amits really sad that some of yall are celebrating these deaths. my cousin was on of the 8 troops who died. you dont realize how it feels and effects people until it happens to someone you love. its been really hard on us and escpecially his wife and his little boy. he was young and it shocked us all nobody saw this coming at all. i really hope yall take my situation into consideration and not be happy when people are killed and just think about this and maybe you will change the way you think about this kind of stuff. and if you could just pray for all the families who lost someone they loved.
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