Hume: Murtha Is Senile, Doesn’t Have ‘The Foggiest Awareness’ Of What’s Going On In The World
Hume: Murtha Is Senile, Doesn’t Have ‘The Foggiest Awareness’ Of What’s Going On In The World
This morning on Fox News, Brit Hume launched a scathing diatribe against Rep. John Murtha’s (D-PA) character. “It’s time a few things be said about him,” Hume said. “This guy is long past the day when he had anything but the foggiest awareness of what the heck is going on in the world.” Hume called Murtha an “absolute fountain” of “naivete.” Watch it:
Murtha has long been the subject of smear attacks from the right. When he first came out in support of redeployment from Iraq in late 2005, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said Murtha had “never been a big thinker,” and that he had “become too emotional” because he “goes to funerals.” The White House said it was “baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing.”
Transcript:
HUME: That sound bite from John Murtha suggests that it’s time a few things be said about him. Even the “Washington Post” noted he didn’t seem particularly well informed about what’s going on over there, to say the least. Look, this man has tremendous cache among House Democrats, but he is not — this guy is long past the day when he had anything but the foggiest awareness of what the heck is going on in the world.
And that sound bite is naivete writ large, and the man is an absolute fountain of such talk, and the fact that he has ascended to the position he has in the eyes of the Democrats in the House and perhaps Democrats around the country tells you a lot about how much they know or care about what’s really going on over there.
WILLIAMS: He’s chairman of the subcommittee, House Appropriations. He’ll have a lot to say about what Mara was just discussing –
HUME: A lot of it will be —
WILLIAMS: We’re in a democratic process. Not everybody is as smart as you are. He’s going to have a voice and a vote and I think lots of people identify with what he’s saying, which is let’s look at different alternatives rather than engage in what is a war that is just taking us down, down, down.
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Heh. It never ceases to amaze me how right wing americans look the political spectre. Michael Moore, a extreme liberal??? They must think Hitler was a moderate liberal.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:21 amBrit Hume, Not just mildly retarded…
February 18th, 2007 at 10:24 amYeah, like Brit has a clue as to what’s going on over there. What an ass. How many times has Brit visited Iraq? None.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:26 amThis story about the Empire State shooting by a Palestinian in 1997 is just coming out today.
I wonder how many Americans have to be killed at home before the Regressives’ god of political correctness is appeased.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015330.php
regarding
http://www.nydailynews.com/ front/ story/ 498674p-420269c.html
Relatives of killer: 1997 Empire State shooting was revenge for U.S. support for Israel Ten years ago a Palestinian Arab shot seven people, killing one, at the Empire State Building. After insisting it wasn’t a political attack for ten years, now his family admits that it was indeed an attack in service of the jihad against Israel.
With all the talk these days about how terrible it is for some people to question whether or not the killer’s Islamic religion had anything to do with the Salt Lake City mall murders, this is an especially intriguing story.
“Killer’s daughter admits it was political,” by Mahmoud Habboush in the New York Daily News, with thanks to MJN:
February 18th, 2007 at 10:27 amHume is just regurgitating what he’s heard said about himself.
Murtha is doing great.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:31 amMichael Moore, a extreme liberal??? They must think Hitler was a moderate liberal.
Comment by Juan C — February 18, 2007 @ 10:21 am
LOL… Good one.
Yeah, to them, anyone who has so much as a passing relationship with reality is an extreme liberal.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:34 amThat’s right. This is why Democrats should not be guesting on FOX. It’s actually amazing that they do.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:35 amMurtha just got owned. Brit is the man.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:36 am“It’s time a few things be said about him,â€
Finally, a proud fascist American is going to impugn Murtha’s integrity for the first time ever.
Folks, propagandists live for this kind of shit. They will never stop. They enjoy lying and manipulating people. That is their only job. They do not believe in truth.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amAnd you Mr. Hume have a girly name, Brit. Isn’t the E! network or LOGO in need of more of your type?
So, why don’t you comment on the color of Mr. Murtha’s tie or hairstyle, or something you’re more adept at discussing…
February 18th, 2007 at 10:37 amHume is Hume!
Soon we have picture dictionary right-wing retards it will show two pictures for the definition of retarded:
1) Bush Jr.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:37 am2) Brit Hume
Carl Levin, Mich. is this week’s FOX DEMOCRAT
February 18th, 2007 at 10:38 amDenny Hastert is much less senile than John Murtha
February 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amWhat can we do about fock’s newz ?
We need a group of intelligent individuals to develop a solid offensive
February 18th, 2007 at 10:40 amaimed directly at destroying their business.
Who watches that fool anymore? 50% of the viewers of Fox are liberal bloggers, waiting to report more of the endless spew of stupidity, flowing unceasingly from that vacuous propaganda factory.
Hume has zero credibility as a journalist. Who worth noting gives a rats ass what he says?
Not me.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:41 amHume called Murtha an “absolute fountain†of “naivete.â€
And, by extension, anyone who opposes Bush’s “surge” is just naive.
In the history books, a mere 3 dozen Senators stood up to the rest of the nation and voted to prevent a debate on a non-binding resolution to oppose the President in a time of war. They wanted a vote on funding.
I suggest the House give them what they want, and pass a bill providing funding only for withdrawing troops from Iraq. Then let the Republicans continue to mouth “support the troops” while filibustering funding for the troops.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:42 amIf Murtha Is Senile, then Bush is a total Spastic
February 18th, 2007 at 10:42 amMurtha just got owned. Brit is the man.
Comment by firehead — February 18, 2007 @ 10:36 am
Wrong-Murtha IS A MAN-hume is a fairy.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:43 amHow can they question other peoples intelligence when their own 2x choosen leader (aka bush represents them) is a complete freakin idiot?
February 18th, 2007 at 10:45 amSHut up liberals, he is senile, and stupid, to think we can just leave Iraq. Liberals have a hard time with reality.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:46 amComment by Vince P
So does this mean you are giving us permission to drop bombs on the houses of right wingers because of abortion clinic bombers?
February 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amMark Steyn has this to say about Murtha and Democrats. I agree 100%. The Democrats act as if their party is the country.. all must be done in service of the Party. Meanwhile the rest of the world sees this as America’s war and America will be damaged by the Democratic Agenda of Defeat:
“The Murtha plan, based on existing military guidelines, includes a stipulation that Army troops who have already served in Iraq must be granted two years at home before an additional deployment. . . . The idea is to slowly choke off the war by stopping the deployment of troops from units that have been badly degraded by four years of combat.”
So “the Murtha plan” is to deny the president the possibility of victory while making sure Democrats don’t have to share the blame for the defeat. But of course he’s a great American! He’s a patriot! He supports the troops! He doesn’t support them in the mission, but he’d like them to continue failing at it for a couple more years. As John Kerry wondered during Vietnam, how do you ask a soldier to be the last man to die for a mistake? By nominally “fully funding” a war you don’t believe in but “limiting his ability to use the money.” Or as the endearingly honest anti-war group MoveCongress.org put it, in an e-mail preview of an exclusive interview with the wise old Murtha:
“Chairman Murtha will describe his strategy for not only limiting the deployment of troops to Iraq but undermining other aspects of the president’s foreign and national security policy.”
“Undermining”? Why not? To the Slow-Bleed Democrats, it’s the Republicans’ war. To an increasing number of what my radio pal Hugh Hewitt calls the White-Flag Republicans, it’s Bush’s war. To everyone else on the planet, it’s America’s war. And it will be America’s defeat.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:48 amTime to leave Iraq - and apologise and pay compensations for a messed up Bush
February 18th, 2007 at 10:50 amSHut up liberals, he is senile, and stupid, to think we can just leave Iraq. Liberals have a hard time with reality.
Comment by Shoelimpyâ
Then please explain EXACTLY the reality of what will happen to AMERICA if we leave… the predictions about the commi Vietnamese taking over the world if we leave never happened and it was stupid saying it back then just as much as it is stupid saying it about the Iraqis now.
Last I checked if we pull out of Iraq we dont have to give up our military so if we need them for something else they will be MORE available not less because they are boged down in Iraq.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:51 amLets celebrate two more murdering stealing Rapist American troops bit the bullet today - Yee Haa
February 18th, 2007 at 10:52 amComment by Vince P
The world sees this as the Bush war along with his supporters which make up the dumbest most backwards segment of American society.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:52 amNot everybody is as smart as Brit Hume. Juan fires off a bit of scarcasm. Perfect! Brit Hume know only one thing - what Karl Rove wrote for him to say that say.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:52 am“Chairman Murtha will describe his strategy for not only limiting the deployment of troops to Iraq but undermining other aspects of the president’s foreign and national security policy.â€
Sounds great since Botch has NO foreign policy agenda, other than to f*ck things up, like the stupid spoiled idiot TOOL he is!!!!
Go get the chickenhawks Murtha, and don’t stop till they’re ALL cryin’ in court!
February 18th, 2007 at 10:53 amIgnore the trolls. Better yet, make them clean up their regurgitation.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amBrit Hume - professional dignity through and through.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:54 amAnd what does Michael Moore have to say about Bush’s “surge”?
Wednesday, January 10th, 2007
Dear Mr. President: Send Even MORE Troops (and you go, too!) …from Michael Moore
Yours,
Michael Moore
February 18th, 2007 at 10:55 ammmflint@aol.com
http://www.michaelmoore.com
#20 - Are you for real?
Liberalism or Conservatism are absolutely meaningless. The only useful scale for measuring Government is whether it gives it’s citizens Liberty or Tyranny.
Are we more free than before 911 or has the government usurped that liberty and replaced it with restrictions on our lives? I think the answer is self-evident. You think nothing of surrendering your liberty for the illusion of safety but, I implore you to look at history and see, that it has never been for the benefit of the People. It only benefits Tyrannical governments.
Don’t believe what I say. Read History and learn the facts.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amGood idea BnF - give them all the funding they need as long as it’s part of getting out of Iraq. Might make it harder for anyone prone to believing the lies on Fox to twist it into not supporting the troops.
If we go with the Faux logic, that leaving makes things more dangerous (so we can’t leave), then are they saying that we can NEVER leave?
Because even Bush said that there’s never going to be NO car bombings - so how many car bombings is okay and still allow us to leave? With their logic we’ll be there forever!!
February 18th, 2007 at 10:56 amThe world sees this as the Bush war along with his supporters which make up the dumbest most backwards segment of American society.
Er sorry no we dont, we see America tarred with the same brush as Bush does anybody in this chat seriously think 911 happened because America is a peace loving Neutral country - I did not think so - 911 happened because of America Butting its nose into foreign affairs for the worse - You see you lot think your better than everyone else ……Thats no way to treat your roots
February 18th, 2007 at 10:58 amMeanwhile the rest of the world sees this as America’s war and America will be damaged by the Democratic Agenda of Defeat. Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Gee…do you have any sources, citations, evidence about your claim? Or are you merely making up “facts”?
Your turn, Vince. Put up or or be branded a liar.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:59 amTobey: We’ll send you the bill for all the damaged caused when the Islamic Caliphate of Mesopotamia unleashes the final Jihad against all Kuffars.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:59 amtony snow and brit hume Rock! - how great is it to see the ultra successful twin offspring of Fred Gwynne and Margaret Thatcher set the record straight - watch Tony’s eyes go every direction as he accurately says, nothing went wrong so far in Iraq and Hume, as usual, backs Bush’s treeeeeeemendous foresight and canny military strategy. keep up the great work, little Herman Thatchers
February 18th, 2007 at 10:59 amPeople who’d rather spit on a decorated war veteran while listening to a chickenhawk LIAR are the BIGGEST LIABILITY to the American way of life than the most extreme Jihadist since they both feed off each other and perpetuate the stereotypical fear for the most close-minded.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amLets see if any of you dishonorable people have anything to say about tobey’s glee.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amComment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 10:48 am
Talk about being detached from reality and just plain stupid! The people of the world see this as a Bush Repuke war. They are mad at Americans in general because we allowed him to become president and for not having the balls to impeach him.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amBrit the draft dodger has no standing to comment about Murtha’s views on the war, or anything else.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amSeriously, does any of this rise to the level of slander, defamation of character? Isn’t Hume actually saying Murtha is mentally incompetent to do his job? Hmm, maybe there’s some other people we could give a psychological evaluation to.. On the other hand, can a sitting Congressman sue Fox for that?
But if you really want to make this accusation, you need look no further than Strom ‘the pecker knows no bigotry’ Thurmond. He LITERALLY had to have people tell him what to say, for chrissakes. And he was Trent Lott’s hero…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:00 amThe “Washington Post” is a poor reference for sanity on aWol’s war.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:03 amBecause even Bush said that there’s never going to be NO car bombings - so how many car bombings is okay and still allow us to leave? With their logic we’ll be there forever!!
Comment by margaret — February 18, 2007 @ 10:56 am
Exactly. The War Profiteers will continue to thrive, however. Their profits are measured in the Billions, while their losses are measured in other people’s kid’s lives. In other words, to a War Profiteer, there is no down-side to unending War. Unending War means Unending Profits. But Peace? Peace would put them out of business. As Bush said, “Profit trumps peace.”
February 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amBriseadh na Faire requested: “Gee…do you have any sources, citations, evidence about your claim? Or are you merely making up “factsâ€?”
My answer:
You were saying?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:04 amComment by Tobey Tall
We have done better than everyone else. We are the ones that put We The People into law above all else. The rest of the world has been following us ever since.
America is not the problem. History has shown that individuals who are willing to take advantage of a system set up by good people can harm many.
This is the bush/rightwinger war.
We didnt want it for reasons that have to do with what is in OUR rule book.. the Declaration of Independance and the U.S. Constitution.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:05 amWe need organization in this country to combat and understand some very viscous and ignorant people. ( both people in power and also little people like post #8.
How about a group with a Three Pronged Agenda in the context of taking our country back and restoring the Constitution:
1. Thoroughly research and clarify the structure of the Media in this country and challenge it.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:06 am2. Thoroughly research and clarify the extent to which corporations have infiltrated the people’s government and endangered Democracy.
3.Thoroughly research and clarify the extent of corruption in the present government and ways to hold them accountable.
This is coming from someone whose fellow conservatives on the floor this week used brilliant arguments such as “get ‘er done” and railed against “In Mohammad We Trust” as arguments for the war … so which side is incompetent and dumb?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:06 amHow would Mr. Hume know? He is a journalist!
February 18th, 2007 at 11:07 amTobey: We’ll send you the bill for all the damaged caused when the Islamic Caliphate of Mesopotamia unleashes the final Jihad against all Kuffars.
Comment by Vince P
You people are so chicken shit…. RUSSIA has far FAR more power than the arabs will ever have. We have THOUSANDS of nukes… EXACTLY how are these religious nuts going to conquer us? They cant. Change your diaper.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:07 amComment by Tobey Tall — February 18, 2007 @ 10:58 am
You were saying?
Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:04 am
So now Tobey speaks for the entire world ?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:09 amGerald Gibson Jr :
The Democrats all voted for the Iraqi War. They are just as responsible. You people are such cowards. Falling over yourselves to deflect responsiblity. Own up to the fact that (according to the lie you all accept) the Democrats were deceived by an incompetent adminstration. That somehow a spell was placed on all teh very smart and future-predicting democrats and they all voted for the war before they were against it.
Liars, hypocrites, traitors, seditious. - The “Progressives”. I laugh.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:09 amI’m sure glad we have people like Hume who served in the military to set straight the people like Murtha who didn’t serve.
Oh, shoot. Damn you Reality with your Liberal Bias!!!
- Tom
February 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amAnd a good morning to all…Brit is a putz, no one I know watches his or any fox crap…BTW brit when were you in Iraq and how much time have you served in our military.?….Not a new’s person just a bush boot licker, advetisement whore…
BnF…Read an article by Kuchench(sp) a couple of month’s ago that the fund’s for withdrawel are in place and available….Don’t know if it is true but worth a look see by one of our researchers……Blessings and Peace
February 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amOr…9/11 happened because the people at PNAC/AEI needed a new “Pearl Harbor” to increase the power of the President at the expense of the Constitution, civil liberties and international human rights. 9/11, whomever caused it, provided a great excuse for American Imperialism.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:10 amDeclaration of Independance and the U.S. Constitution.
Eh Thats that piece of paper that means Jack ????
February 18th, 2007 at 11:11 ams: You guys should form a Committee of Public Safety.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:11 amWhat i find truly hilarious about the trolling pundits, is that they are out in force when Brit gives them an abusive talking point… I see a lot less of them when they have to come up with their personal attacks. Guess it shows the kind of intelligence we are dealing with.
Murtha is an intelligent, thoughful politician, not perfect, but, certainly not the senile disconnected man paints him out to be. Brit could only dream of having such an honorable life.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:11 amBrit Hume thinks that just because he works for Fox, then he has the knowledge about what is going on in Iraq and the whole Middle East sitting in FOX studio ‘political entertainment’ news room.
Not only that he has the knowledge,but he has also the sharp tongue to criticise others who are not in line with FOX & Rupert Murdock agenda.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:12 am>So now Tobey speaks for the entire world ?
Comment by Joefriday — February 18, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Idiot statement of the day.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amTo # 50 Gerald Gibson Jr.
Your BREATH TAKING ignorance and lack of humanity is only trumped by your vulgarity.
Let me put it in words you can understand. Your hateful post, sir, is dumb as dirt.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:12 amLets celebrate two more murdering stealing Rapist American troops bit the bullet today - Yee Haa
Comment by Tobey Tall — February 18, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Tobey - go to http://www.redstate.com and post.
You are insulting and attacking the anti-war crowd here.
Until you do something about Tony Blair - you have no room to criticize the liberals in America.
Come to think of it - if we=Bush, then you=Blair and you should start attacking yourself.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:13 amComment by Vince P
The democrats did not vote for this war. They voted for military action IF…. read the IFs… it was not for whatever Bush wanted. He violated the 2002 authorization. The democrats gave bush the benefit of the doubt that he would use that power responsibly. He did not. That was their mistake. They didnt call out bush as a cheney puppet and instead gave him the benefit of the doubt.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:14 amComment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:04 am
I’m saying you just branded yourself a liar.
I asked for citations to back up a claim you made at 10:48, and all you provided was a post made at 10:58.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amLets see if any of you dishonorable people have anything to say about tobey’s glee.
Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:00 am
It’s just not possible for you to post on comment without insulting everyone, is it?
Go see the thread below this one, and then come back and apologize.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by s
Then prove it.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:17 amLiars, hypocrites, traitors, seditious. - The “Progressivesâ€. I laugh.
Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Laugh at this-When Bush travels to any other country he can’t go out in public because he is hated. Bill Clinton can travel to almost any country and be treated with respect and admiration. BTW your post described you and your support group. I smirke.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:17 amComment by s
And your naivete as illustrated in your “3 prong attack” is seriously “out of touch with reality”, cause NONE of these things WILL EVER COME TO PASS in the New America dominated by partisonship bickering and the constant grasping for control.
“Got dirt?”
February 18th, 2007 at 11:17 ammy opinion, tobey should be ignored… as should vince…
so not worth the time and trouble…
i happened to catch a half minute of snow on MTP, before my stomach turned and i had to go back to sunday morning…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amsurely the snowjob had some choice words we would love to hear about…
this is the only way i can stand it…
It looks like someone hijacked Toby Tall’s name.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amSHut up liberals, he is senile, and stupid, to think we can just leave Iraq. Liberals have a hard time with reality.
Comment by Shoelimpy™
Troll alert! So tell us what the reality is. Is it the ‘islamofascist’ (projection to end all projection) forming a caliphate to take over the world? Hamas, Hezbollah, Quds Force, al-Qaeda, Sunni, Shia, they’re all the same right? Exactly that kind of ignorance that got us into the mess we’re in over there! Put down the Kool-Aid and step away from the cup.
Even if Murtha IS senile and stupid, he’s got a far better awareness of reality than Brit or Tony Snow or those fascists who are turning the republic into a dictatorship.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amYou have to be a liar to be ‘Conservative’ because the label doesn’t fit the true definition. They have to lie to themselves everyday. Just like everything else the Neo-Cons touch, the true meaning of Conservatism has been corrupted to mean the exact opposite.
Good luck pointing out the obvious to these poor, self-deluded fools.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amSpeaking of the UK, they are deciding very shortly whether or not they’re going to keep a Navy of any significance. If they decide not, say good bye to the British fleet.
So between the Labor party demilitarization of the UK and the Democratic party push to have us leave Iraq, the West is basically abandoning the world for the Jihadis to conquer.
Don’t you understand the significance of this? An Islamic Dark Age awaits the future and you folks are part and parcel of it taking shape. Islam conquered the world from Spain to India in 100 years after Mohemmed died. The moral conviction of a Jihadi is a military threat not to be underestimated. All those nations/cultures who underestimated it in the past are no longer in the world today
February 18th, 2007 at 11:21 amI asked for citations to back up a claim you made at 10:48, and all you provided was a post made at 10:58.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 18, 2007 @ 11:15 am
LOL. ok you’re dumb as rocks. You should fit in fine here.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:22 am#’s 66 and 68
66 - I need not prove what most people can see here, for themselves. Thankfully.
68 As for my “three pronged Naivete”:
February 18th, 2007 at 11:23 amPeople who use the word never are not the kind of people that will restore this country. If you prefer to live in the slime, so be it. We will do it without you.
unbelievable: you only attacked him because he didn’t attack the UK PM first. Presumablely if he had done that, then what he said is ok. Logic, not to be found here.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:24 amThe press no longer has any protection, and there is no motivation for being impartial. There are only a handful of journalists left who care more about the truth than the continuity of their paycheck, and they live in a day when news is judged by volume, not content. The ‘free press’ is dead.
And with it, collective democracy.
Nothing has changed, but realize that the dream is over.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amI don’t get it. How do conservatives deal when they are playing a board game like monopoly or risk and lose? do they pout and claim that it isn’t over, they can still win, even though they have no holdings left on the board?
I say this because they do not seem to realize that with the way things are going in Iraq, we have already lost. They think that just with this surge, this last push, that we will win.
We cannot win with a volunteer army. Just not possible in a situation that requires the occupation of the territory the size of Iraq. The fighting in Iraq is a war of attrition. As long as our troops are there, our military becomes weaker and weaker as readiness declines, and the bar is lowered in order to fulfill recruitment quotas. Meanwhile, our troops being there energizes the insurgents, gives them a recruiting tool. They are fighting a guerrilla war, so they do not need the manpower nor the weapons that our standing army requires to be successful. They also have the support of the people (in many cases they are the people), and they know the land.
Going into a war without the knowledge nor required equipment and with a mentality that you will win, no matter what, is not a winning solution. Tactically we have failed in Iraq. To not lose the so called war on terror, one must make the sound strategic decision and admit that Iraq is not going to get any better by us staying there. If the trolls need a bone, then we can call it a victory and get out.
We cannot win any battle, never mind a war, if we let our army deteriorate as this administration and the republicans have allowed. Murtha’s plan has the interest of winning the war and giving our troops the rest, support and equipment they need.
If we were going to win in Iraq, then we need a draft. I doubt that is going to happen. I would suggest that everyone here who supports the war sign up and suit up, but I do not think that is the kind of help the troops would appreciate at this point.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amThis would be a nice world by now if it were not for America acting to keep the world from progress
I have still to meet any European , African or Asian that would say America did NOT deserve 911, All persons I spoke to said its about time America has a slap on the face…….. I agree
we all feel sorry about the firefighters and police caught up in The twin towers tumbling down but thats all
911 Happened because
A/ were jealous of your freedom ( As if)
B/ we dont like Bush
C/ we sick of Americas Foreign policy
answer to solution
February 18th, 2007 at 11:26 amA/ Change foreign Policy
B/ Start killing people and Blame Bin laden
C/ Keep the world from Progress for the next 50 years
Conservative: All those groups all share the same strategic goal, where they vary is tactics. They all implement the Method of Mohommed in their own way, but make no mistake.. they are all striving toward the same eventual goal.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:26 amVince P……what’s bothering you? You are not a happy camper, obviously. You thrive on bile boy. Get a life and become part of the solution. Quit getting your jollies out of destruction and start building something with others. Or is that too “commy” for ya? And another thing…….if you think you sound powerful because you’re supporting a corrupt, hateful, and dishonest media pundit ( and government) you are really scarping the bottom of the barrel. Hate doesn’t get you there…..
February 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amWho cares what Brittany Hume has to say. He’s just another fruity chickenhawk liar. pspspspspspspsspspspspsp here pussypussy…gooood giiirl..Faux News luvs you
February 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amNotice how Vince rope-a-dopes around BnF’s inquiring like those lying right-wing chickenhawks who try to smear decorated war veterans do anytime someone dares to ask anything approaching a challenging question.
Sorry, Vince but following the posting you offered nothing but someone else’s post then resorted to name calling. Seems like maybe deep down you know the true reality. There may be hope for you after all.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amAll those nations/cultures who underestimated it in the past are no longer in the world today
Comment by Vince P
The military realities of today makes your point MUTE. We are far beyond swords. The arabs are only barely beyond swords.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:31 amThinkProgress,
The “headline” of this thread is blatantly dishonest. No where in the clipor transcript does Hume say that Murtha is “senile” or even use the word “senile.” Hume says Murth has not the “awareness of what the heck is going on in the world.” That is hardly synonymous with saying that Murtha is suffering from the senility (which, by the way, TP is a fairly antiquated term).
Not only does Hume never use the word “senile,” the next sentence shows that Hume is saying that Murtha’s lack of awareness of what is going on in the world stems from “naivete,” not senility.
We, of course, realize that ThinkProgress is not a pure news provider and is not subject to recognized journalistic standards of objectivity. As a partisan site, TP is certainly entitled to editoralize and characterize. But the headline of rhis thread goes way beyond editorializing. It is simply, 100% dishonest.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:31 amTobey: i wouldnt gloat over there in Europe. Your continent-wide Civil War or dhimittude will be happening in your life time.
Don’t look at us to save you from that.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:31 am66 - I need not prove what most people can see here, for themselves. Thankfully.
Comment by s
Yes you do or you are just another troll.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:32 amWhen did Bret Hume get so far out in outer space? I thaught he was a perty good news caster until he went to FOX. It goes to show you what money can do
February 18th, 2007 at 11:33 amWe will do it without you.
Comment by s
Yes, and what GREAT job you’ve done so far!
LOL, you’re naive because the ONLY way to get rid of the corruption in government is to REVOLT, which will never happen.
Happy camping!
February 18th, 2007 at 11:34 amThe Jihad (2003 - 2007)
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/TROP011307.jpg
- Location of attacks worldwide
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/attacksjan2007.jpg
- Line graph of attacks per month
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/globalattacks.jpg
- Deaths per country
http://vincep312.home.comcast.net/attacks.html
February 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amThe hacks over at Faux News are really coming unglued.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:37 amThey don’t even pretent that they aren’t partisan ideologues any longer.
The most defining emotion that people like Vince P - and a lot of those in the conservative “movement” , as in “pile”, have is FEAR.
The fear is so strong they can’t handle it. This drives ALL their thinking, their swift boating, their sleazy retorts, etc etc etc. I’m not saying there are not threats in the world, by people like the above amplifiy these threats ( often for ulterior motives as those in power are now doing) until they create more suffering than the actual threat. They are not rational or moral in the sense of caring for their fellow man.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:37 amunbelievable: you only attacked him because he didn’t attack the UK PM first. Presumablely if he had done that, then what he said is ok. Logic, not to be found here.
Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:24 am
I see you didn’t go to the thread below this one to see that the comments STARTED there about an hour ago… Figures.
So I’ll tell you what you missed - you were WRONG Vince.
I called him on it, and it had nothing to do with Tony Blair.
Now apologize.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:39 amExley, as someone defending a group of fundamentally, fatally dishonest people like this administration and their hacks on radio and TV, there’s a great deal of projection in your statement!
Hmmm…I normally just say my piece and get outta here, I don’t typically take to calling people out like this.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:39 amVince,
Get a life! Don’t you have a sock drawer to re-arrange OR SOMETHING!
You crack me up! Jihad watch! F*cking chickens*t cowards! You have so little faith in the US that you actually believe they could conquer us?
That’s so laughable, you anti-American fool!
February 18th, 2007 at 11:39 am…do you intentionally make your site look like that Vince? F-U-G-L-Y, just plain BAD. But does shed light on your dim-wittedness!
February 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Vince P
Now post all the world wide murders. And rapes… hell show us the world wide murder rate of women by christians on a witch hunt in the year 1593?
The arabs are not building up a military that can come to America and attack us. They cant do it. Even Russia cant do that without being sunk a short ways off their own shores.
Hysteria.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:41 ambut make no mistake.. they are all striving toward the same eventual goal.
Oh really? Seems to me they’re too hellbent on destroying EACH OTHER for that to be realistic. You seem to be assuming there’s some type of ‘Terrorist UN’ out there. And by the way it’s CONservative, emphasis on the CON that’s being perpetrated by the fascists and defended by people such as yourself.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amHere is the truth about neo-conservatives like Vince P:
They are stupid. They are not only nuts, they are stupid. They know they are stupid. They resent the rest of the world for being brighter then them.
Think about it, how in the light of the K Street scandal, probably the best organised bribery ring in the history of influence peddling, can someone still try to claim that Republicans are honest? Stupidity, that’s how.
How can someone claim that Iraq is a big mess, that it was a mistake to go in in the first place, and then go on about how it is irresponsible to say so? Stupidity, that’s how.
How can someone, in view of the country being in two wars, neither of which looks good at the moment, claim that invading a third country would be a good idea? Stupidity, that’s how.
How can someone claim to support the troops, and then support cutting funding to veterans, and sending troops into a warzone without adequate armour? Stupidity, that’s how.
How can someone in one breath claim to be in favour of fiscal responsibility and then in the next oppose getting rid of America’s biggest optional expense in the next? Stupidity, that’s how.
And why is it, that the rightwing is so downright unpleasant, even when things go well for them? Because they resent the fact that other people aren’t stupid. That’s how.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:44 amThere is no reason to crap ones pants over a foreign culture or religion. Being afraid of conquest by something one doesn’t understand only exposes ones own insecurities and detachment from reality. Throughout history those with comfort also piss themselves thinking they are gonna be overrun by the unwashed masses who they take blatant economic advantage of. They use the ‘primitive’ beliefs of those people to belittle and bedevil them. All of a sudden, the poor man who works to subsist and is just asking for a little more becomes a great threat, and all of a sudden we find out they are Irish Catholics, the lazy farmers who allowed their harvest to rot and then came over here to overthrow our democracy with Popery.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:44 amIs it in any way surprising that these same people now demonize Mexican immigrants and Muslims? It is only by sheer circumstance that a large amount of Muslims inhabit regions in which we rape them of their wealth of natural resources. This is why they are pissed off and united in an anti-western ideal. If you want to quell the rise of fundamentalist Islam, you cannot fight it, you can not beat it into submission. To win our society must halt its rape of their lands, of their resources, and create a balanced, symbiotic relationship in which all our peoples can prosper.
You mean they didn’t train their solidiers to come here and attack the Pentagon and the WTC?
Are you one of those Bush-Did-It idiots?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:46 amGerald Gibson Jr. …I owe you an apology….I read over all your posts. I confused you with someone else. Someone like Vince P
February 18th, 2007 at 11:47 amSeems to me they’re too hellbent on destroying EACH OTHER for that to be realistic.
Comment by CONservative — February 18, 2007 @ 11:42 am
This is perhaps the biggest neocon hypocrisy, after the anti-murder stance of murders hypocrisy, that they say they want to bring peace to the Middle East and stop them from killing one another… which they go about bringing with war.
Ridiculous at best…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:47 amDont take my word for it… listen to the Muslims say for themselves what they plan on doing..
http://www.youtube.com/ view_play_list?p=EA0270E133DC8334
Dispatches, UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007. Radicalisation of UK mosques
February 18th, 2007 at 11:48 amThis, from someone who commits libel here on a regular basis.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:49 amHume does not have the foggiest awareness of anything. He is a braindead moron who spews baloney on FOX Phony News.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amHey Vince,
“Boo!!!” Little coward baby…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amAnd why is it, that the rightwing is so downright unpleasant, even when things go well for them? Because they resent the fact that other people aren’t stupid. That’s how.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — February 18, 2007 @ 11:44 am
As usual - nailon the head.
I frequently notice that they are incapable of understanding a lot of what we say - at which point they being to call us names. My father always used to tell me that a person reached the height of his intelligence at the point that he began to insult the person rather than the argument.
Vince, Jason, MA, and those like them demonstrate this with each and every visit.
And considering that Vince starts off his very first post in each thread with an insult, he validates your explanation.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amAre you one of those Bush-Did-It idiots?
Comment by Vince P
I dont know who did it. I do know that it is OUR fault we didnt stop those few people. I also know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to have FREEDOM and have complete protection from crime from small groups of individuals. I would like to stop all abortion bombers… but I am not going to round up all the christians and put them into Haliburton build “detention centers” to make damn sure there is never another abortion bombing. Reality is fleeting for you.
You dont start wars over the actions of a few people. If that is how it worked we would be at war with China right now for dicking with our airforce after bush got in office. Hell we would be in constant war 100% of the time because small groups of individuals will eventually succeed.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amComment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:48 am
Apologize first.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amVince P.
Do you lump every Christian with Fundamentalist Christians who say everyone who refuses to follow their way is going to hell, and that we should convert non-Christians (such as Muslims) by force if necessary?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amComment by s
No problem I started thinking that is what happened from reading your own posts.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:53 amDont take my word for it… listen to the Muslims say for themselves what they plan on doing..
http://www.youtube.com/ view_play_list?p=EA0270E133DC8334
Dispatches, UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007. Radicalisation of UK mosques
Comment by Vince P
Would you like us to post what christians in THIS country say they want to do?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:54 amAshenShard: The dogma of Islam is not a function of what Christians do or dont do. Your argument doesn’t change my premise.
Watch the Dispatches link I gave, and tell me you think then.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amComment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 11:46 am
My God! You got something right!
And, for whatever it’s worth, the alleged hijackers got their flight training in the United States. We trained them!
February 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amOkay Vince P
You want to talk about the Arabs being out to get you. Never mind the fact that they couldn’t even conquor Israel, which is smack bang in the middle of them, lets talk about the funding for this invasion.
The major source of funds would be oil-money. You see, without oil the Arabs are basically like the Africans, so shit poor that they aren’t a threat to anybody.
So tell me Vince P, what are you doing to cut funding for this invasion?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:57 amGerald: Changing the subject doesn’t invalidate my premise. However, that’s the constant tactic of all those who are unwilling to examine Islam for fear of what they’ll find.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:58 amFaux Noise they are part of the problem. No thought process just a robotic talking head. Ask Hume how many years he served in the Military, ask the Cluck, Cluck Republicans what their total time in active duty is, Yet the Low Life scum who have nothing to offer constructively lie mislead and manipulate twisting the truth to their advantage kind of like a minister in a church.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:59 amNOTICE how hume doesn’t attack the repukulan Senate for not have the Courage to answer the American people, the Cluck, clucks of the Senate like their Cowardly boss lie hide (COWARDS).
How come the PUKES in the Media and Senate always attack people of CHARACTER, I notice they don’t have anyne of character in the repukulan party, lots of TRAITORS,LIARS,THEIVES and SPINELESSNESS.
As far as this jihadi watch thing goes it seems to me that instead of reacting to the radicals we’d be better off searching out the true moderates and give THEM the attention.
Of course, I don’t trust the current administration one bit to do that properly. The Bush/Cheny gang prefers to inflame the radicals by trying to “pacify” them and funneling money and weapons to people who might turn those weapons on us some day.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:00 pmBrit; Your spending way to much time kissing Rupert Merdocks ass. don’t you know the air down there will turn you into a retard. Opps! too late.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:01 pm#114 Vince P.
The dogma of any mass religion is similar, and my point which you seem to have totally missed or ignored, is that there are a minority of christians who spout off in the same way as a minority of muslims do, and they just because they are violent or bigots does not make the entire religion a faith of violence or bigotry. Just because some Muslims spout off, doesn’t mean every Muslim does. Just as because you seem to be pissing your pants over these threats, doesn’t mean every westerner does. BTW, if Islam is such a violent religion focused on world domination, why do many say it is a religion of peace, and convert for that very reason?
February 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmBruce: Whats the point of your statements… they dont go to what I was saying, just rambling mess trying to take pot shots to impress yourself.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmmargaret: There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. That’s the crux of the problem.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmWould you like us to post what christians in THIS country say they want to do?
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — February 18, 2007 @ 11:54 am
You mean like this:
“[The United States may have to] burn a couple of nations down”.
“I’ve read the Koran, and I believe Allah’s proper name is Lucifer.”
– James Ammerson, Retired Colonel; member of the Texas-based American Veterans in Domestic Defense, in a speech after rambling through several topics ranging from Moore’s monument to President Bush’s portrayal of Islam as a peaceful religion, at a December 16, 2002, rally in support of Judge Roy Moore’s placing of a 5280-pound granite monument of an abbridged version of the Protestant listing of the first stone tablets edition of ten religious edicts of a minority tribe of ancient Hebrews, quoted from Conrad Goeringer, “Moore holds firm as judge may issue stay — supporters, separationists face off in Montgomery” (AANEWS: December 20, 2002)
February 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pmAre they dangerous? Sure. But these speakers, featured here, are more interested in being the Muslim equivalent of rock stars than anything else.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWhy are the faces of the “believers” in this video blurred out? Wouldn’t it be great to know who’s spending time in this mosque? Wouldn’t it be nice to know who’s accepting funding from Saudi Arabia? Too bad our Saudi allies are really our enemy… and they’re already well inside the American “tent.”
Ashen: All religions are not the same. Islam is the only religion that has commands for its believers in all time to conquer the world militarily. And so they have been trying for 1,400 years. Muslims are told to follow the example of Mohemmed. Do I need to say the things that Mohemmed has done?
Stop assuming what Islam says and actually look at what the Koran , Hadith and Sira have to say about Jihad. The evidence of overwhelming and the condition of the world today is a consequence.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:08 pm“Remind yourself that in this night you will face many challenges. But you have to face them and understand it 100 percent…. Obey God, his messenger, and don’t fight among yourself where you become weak, and stand fast, God will stand with those who stood fast.”
Okay Vince… Who said the above quote?
February 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmAttention Arab jihadists. Please come to the USA, we need ‘regime change’ in Washington. We will greet you as liberators with flowers and candy. No shit.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pmAnd so they have been trying for 1,400 years.
Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
1400 years of “failure” and you suddenly think they are due? LOL
You still owe me an apology. Are you not man enough to admit you were wrong? Figures.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:13 pmI have the screwdriver right here; I can tighten up Brit Hume’s right wing threaded loose screws.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pm“I know it sounds somewhat Machiavellian and evil, to think that you could send a squad in to take out somebody like Osama bin Laden, or to take out the head of North Korea, but isn’t it better to do something like that, to take out Milosevic, to take out Saddam Hussein, rather than to spend billions of dollars on a war that harms innocent civilians and destroys the infrastructure of a country?”
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 9, 1999, quoted in Martin McLaughlin, “Pat Robertson favors assassinations,” August 14, 1999
February 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pm#126 Vince P.
Just because the Koran says it doesn’t mean it is followed or believed. Look at the bible. If half the things in it were followed, how low would our population be from stoning?
The condition of the world today is not due to Jihadists but to the stupid republicans in this country and people who piss themselves every time they see a shadow. Rather than being gullible and blaming problems on the religion that happens to be followed by a lot of poor people in the world, we should look at the real problem and the question to this problem is: why are there such a concentration of poverty? And its not the fault of Islam, its the fault of US corporations who put profit over life, and our consumer interests which demand cheap goods, and rape the wealth of these regions to acquire them. Take away poverty, and you take away the appeal of radical islam, not to mention radical christianity and any other religion which becomes radicalized when a mass of people can barely make subsistence.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmWhat? That’s the best come-up-with-a-way-to-ignore-them idea I’ve read in a loooong time. So , they dont actually believe what they are saying.. but instead wanted to be a rockstar by being secretly filmed while preaching hate in the middle of the UK?
It’s preachers like those who are militarizing muslims in the UK and they preach from the authority of the Koran.
It’s amazing the amount of patronizing the Left does toward theses people.
Um, its an undercover investigation that could result in peope’s deaths. Plus I think there are laws about not showing people without authorization but that might be just France.
Well first you have to be curious enough to check what is being said instead of assuming they jsut a bunch of harmless sand people with silly ideas.
But gee, its obvious who is getting the money… THEY ARE.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pmunbelievable stupidly thinks the Muslims in the UK are watching the 700 club.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmGerald: Changing the subject doesn’t invalidate my premise. However, that’s the constant tactic of all those who are unwilling to examine Islam for fear of what they’ll find.
Comment by Vince P
I examined Islam years ago after 911. I have already seen what the religious nut muslims in britian say. It is exactly the same crap the christian religious nuts say… which is my point. The christians have their group of crazies just like the muslims. The christians have been going on about it long before 911. Oklahoma City, abortion bombers, warriors for Jesus, saying America is turning against their god so it will be destroyed like sodom if it does not do what the religious right wants… change of subject? Hardly… just another example to show you not to take the religious crazies so seriously. Keep an eye on them for sure because they occasionally pull a Jim Jones…. or 911…. but acting like they are about to invade is just plain chicken shit.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAshen: you dont know what you’re talking about. islam isn’t a product of your silly wishful thinking.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:21 pmunbelievable stupidly thinks the Muslims in the UK are watching the 700 club.
Comment by Vince P — February 18, 2007 @ 12:18 pm
Bruce was dead on about you.
I was pointing out that Pat Robertson is in favor of assassinating the leaders of other countries, which shows him that the crazy Muslim extremists are no different from the crazy Christian extremists and he thinks I’m suggesting that Muslims watch Pat Roberston. LOL
Keep dodging the fact that I proved you wrong and you cannot admit it.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThis just proves what hypocrites conservatives are. They constantly demand the 10 Commandments be posted everywhere, yet never miss an opportunity to bear false witness against their neighbor.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pmmargaret: There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. That’s the crux of the problem.
Comment by Vince P
Where was the moderate christianity when it was burning innocent women alive calling them witches? Where were the christians at when these women were screaming for mercy?
He without sin cast the first stone…. everyone else work on changing people to turn the other cheek.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pmGerald Gibson insists on conflating things that are not comparable.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pmBush’s end run around congress begins….
Conservatives to Bush: Issue More Executive Orders
http://www.usnews.com/ usnews/ news/ articles/ 070215/ 15orders.htm?s_cid=rss:site1
February 18th, 2007 at 12:25 pmHere you go Vince, Pat Roberston blames YOU for, well, everything:
“If the widespread practice of homosexuality will bring about the destruction of your nation, if it will bring about terrorist bombs, if it’ll bring about earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor, it isn’t necessarily something we ought to open our arms to.”
– Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, August 6, 1998, on the occasion of the Orlando, Florida, Gay Pride Festival 199
February 18th, 2007 at 12:26 pmAre there some scholars here in the house? What is the word that describes when FoxNews reports as “fact” what they simply have only “heard” or “contrived” a rumor to be reported as such?
I know there is a fancier word than “projection”
Can anyone help?
February 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pm#136 Vince P.
I know exactly what I am talking about, and so do most of the others here. We present evidence, examples and logic, which you ignore as irrelevant because it does not fit in with what you want to believe.
February 18th, 2007 at 12:29 pmBrit speculates that Murtha doesn’t know what is going on in Iraq. George Bush, said in this week’s news conferemce that he didn’t know what is going on