Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda regaining power.
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Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda regaining power.
“Senior leaders of Al Qaeda operating from Pakistan have re-established significant control over their once battered worldwide terror network and over the past year have set up a band of training camps in the tribal regions near the Afghan border,” the New York Times reports. “American officials said there was mounting evidence that Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, had been steadily building an operations hub in the mountainous Pakistani tribal area of North Waziristan. Until recently, the Bush administration had described Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri as detached from their followers and cut off from operational control of Al Qaeda.”
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I am not surprised about this happening, but why does Bush not care about capturing or killing Osama?
February 18th, 2007 at 10:17 pmThese are good news. More countries need to be invaded.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:17 pmWe could have had them at Tora Bora, but noooo, GWB pulls back.
Now OBL is getting his organization back to where it was 6-7 years ago, right under the nose of the The Decider.
Worst. President. Ever.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:19 pmZooey > I think Dubya needs Osama as a bogeyman. Otherwise how could his “War on Terror” continue if Osama was gone and al-Qaeda
February 18th, 2007 at 10:26 pmdestroyed?!
I am not surprised about this happening, but why does Bush not care about capturing or killing Osama?
Comment by Jay Randal
Because Osama is a CIA Operative in a CIA sponsored and run Operation using American troops.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:29 pmWell rachel Osama was financed and trained by the CIA years ago. Perhaps he is their Frankenstein monster who is out of their control now, but they also are loathe to eliminate their creation.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:32 pmJay,
I guess he’s got to keep the profit machine going for his “base.”
February 18th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWell Pat Roberston did say we were going to get attacked again because we are pissing off god with our liberal, homo-loving lifestyles…
(sounds like as good of an excuse as any the right has ever come up with…)
February 18th, 2007 at 10:33 pm“Until recently, the Bush administration had described Mr. bin Laden and Mr. Zawahri as detached from their followers and cut off from operational control of Al Qaeda.â€
more wishful thinking…
they just won’t grasp this newfangled news source… can’t imagine how their lies and attempts to distract don’t take hold…
February 18th, 2007 at 10:36 pmIf a big terror attack occurs again, in the US, before Bush leaves office, then I wonder what excuse he will use about it? He claims our troops fighting in Iraq are preventing terrorism over here, but that claim gets debunked if another terror attack happens. Bush has created his own Catch-22 problem.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:41 pmNow OBL is getting his organization back to where it was 6-7 years ago, right under the nose of the The Decider.
Comment by Zooey
Exactly as planned. Right on schedule to get this war into “phase two”
This is exactly how the “script” is supposed to go. Protraction..Protraction..Protraction, this is what the arms industry and all of it’s subsidiaries wants to happen. They lose money otherwise. This is a “corporate war” more than anything else with the President illegally using our forces for those ends.
And to whom is the President beholdin?
Bingo!
He needs to be strung up and hanged by the neck until dead.
Them son-sub-itches!
I cannot seem to post these links (if they show up here in this thread) in the VA thread.
Would someone care to for me?
I hope they take this time.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:42 pmThanks, rachel.
We can look at the links on the VA thread, now that we know they are there.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:46 pm“The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him.”
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
“I want justice…There’s an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive,’”
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.”
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
“I am truly not that concerned about him.”
February 18th, 2007 at 10:46 pm- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden’s whereabouts, 3/13/02
rachel, Im glad you are contributing to the discussion. Im learning a lot. Please keep it that way. :)
February 18th, 2007 at 10:46 pmWayne,
Apparently GWB’s primary agenda was set in the six months between 9/13/01 and 3/13/02.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:50 pmLeave Osama Bin Laden alone. Let’s talk with Al-Qaeda!
February 18th, 2007 at 10:54 pmIt’s time to negotiate and end this war. If we have to pay Al-Qaeda tribute lets do it. Peace now!
February 18th, 2007 at 10:56 pmIgnore the troll.
February 18th, 2007 at 10:58 pmZooey,
February 18th, 2007 at 11:01 pmNo, if people want us to talk to Iran then let’s talk to Al-Qaeda. It’s time to peace. Let’s see what they want so we can all have peace!
Bin Laden has been dead for years.
But yes, al queda has a safe haven thanks to Bush
February 18th, 2007 at 11:01 pmBatman? He sounds more like Batboy > lol.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:02 pmMike > if Osama was dead then Bush would proclaim it, but on the other hand if he was dead then Bush has no bogeyman to justify his so-called “War on Terror.”
February 18th, 2007 at 11:04 pmZooey,
No, if people want us to talk to Iran then let’s talk to Al-Qaeda.
Comment by Batman
Batman, why did you assume you were the troll?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:04 pmBatman,
It’s simply adorable how you knew I was talking about you.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:05 pmSelf awareness is good.
Jay,
February 18th, 2007 at 11:06 pmIt’s time for peace. Are you against that.
Zooey,
February 18th, 2007 at 11:08 pmI’m sick of all the killing. We’re not winning and they’re not winning. It’s time for a cease fire and let’s end this war!
Batman, why did you assume you were the troll?
Comment by Juan C
Heh.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:08 pmIf we have to pay Al-Qaeda tribute lets do it. Peace now!
Comment by Batman
Al queda is not a country, it is a criminal organization. They need to be treated like any criminals and be tried in court.
Your statement, if serious is totally insane.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:08 pmBatman I am all for Peace. I never wanted war in Iraq, nor in Afghanistan, but Osama is a felon unless he is already dead, then his ghost is just an excuse for Bush to continue to rob the government.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:12 pmWayne,
February 18th, 2007 at 11:14 pmNo, if people want to talk to Iran which is a criminal regime why not Al-Qaeda? To many people have died on bot sides. It’s time for peace!
B – F – U – A – S – I – H – L – A – U -S -R -S – E
February 18th, 2007 at 11:15 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It’s simply adorable how you knew I was talking about you.
Self awareness is good.
Comment by Zooey
You read my mind…what am I thinking right now? ;)
February 18th, 2007 at 11:15 pmYou read my mind…what am I thinking right now? ;)
Comment by Juan C
Juan, you’re so naughty — you make me blush. :)
February 18th, 2007 at 11:18 pmIt’s time for a cease fire and let’s end this war!
Comment by Batman
What war? The one that Congress never declared? The civil war going on right now in Iraq? The “war on drugs”? The war for a seat in NY subway?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:20 pmB – F – U – A – S – I – H – L – A – U -S -R -S – E
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by RUCerious — February 18, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
i should probably know… but it’s not coming to me soon enough…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:21 pmbefore i get to bed, i need to know what the hell that is! …please…
B – F – U – A – S – I – H – L – A – U -S -R -S – E
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by RUCerious
W-H-A-T-?
February 18th, 2007 at 11:22 pmyou make me blush. :)
Comment by Zooey
And I tried to put it right at the back of my mind. You are good! ;)
February 18th, 2007 at 11:27 pmDo not take the bait anyone by agreeing with “batman” on talks with AlQueda. It is trying to suck you into a one way argument you will LOSE I guarantee.
Because then he can say, “Well you stated you “supported” abetting an enemy(in a sense), by holding talks with a terrorist organization. That makes YOU a terrorist” in today`s laws under the Patriot Act. A Gitmo offense.
Don’t fall for it. It’s an old FoxNews ploy.
Batman,
Can you say…
Projection?
And also from an EX troll, you Really need to work on your technique. Sheesh. That was such a primitive attempt at trolldom.
And believe you me, I KNOW my trolls.
I used to be the CEO of TrollsInternational.
A wayward and misfit bunch of whom never fit right into society in any particular avenue.
A select few “trollers” of this world who’s name is derived from the “fishing” term literally.
Trolling is s form of fishing and we aint the bait.
So on your way dishonest “fisherman” and may a squid pooey in your face on the way out.
This school has better things to do, like tear a “troll-shark” apart limb from limb by banding together as one unit, one school of fish.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:29 pmYou are good! ;)
Comment by Juan C
Heh.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:30 pmrachel, that’s a good one. :)
February 18th, 2007 at 11:34 pmIran which is a criminal regime –flatlinebrainman
Lets see your evidence that it is a criminal regime. Links please, i would like to read the source myself.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:35 pmWayne,
February 18th, 2007 at 11:40 pmIran doesn’t oppress Women, Gays and non Muslims minorities?
Correct?
Iran is model of Human rights and has a free society? The Ayatollahs are peace loving Gandhi figures right?
That’s not the point. Iran and Al-Qaeda are both criminals. However too much blood has been spilled. It’s time for peace. I want peace Wayne, I’m not a warmonger like you!
amazing that everyone still falls for the obl “boogeyman” b.s. let’s identify these “american officials” putting out this garbage to the complicit corporate media. fear politics propaganda playing u.s. public like a fiddle. wake up and pay attention people. start by checking into pnac.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:40 pmwell darn… guess i’m gonna toss and turn all night…
can anyone tell me (and zoo) what this means???
B – F – U – A – S – I – H – L – A – U -S -R -S – E
i’ll wait 5 minutes…
February 18th, 2007 at 11:46 pmthen, it’s g’nite all…
Iran doesn’t oppress Women, Gays and non Muslims minorities?
Lets see.
Oppressing women like in forbidding abortions.
Oppressing gays like in banning gay marriage and people fricking out becuz of two gay cowboys.
Oppressing non Muslim minorities like black, latinos and try to yell Im a communist in a crowded mall.
Thank you, Batman. There goes your repressive regime.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:48 pmComment by Batman
can’t provide proof to your claim, then the discussion is over. I don’t debate opinion or religious viewpoints.
and calling me a warmonger is specualtion on your part, you know nothing about me, obviously.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:49 pmWayne,
Here a link on Human Rights abuses in your paradise call Iran:
http://hrw.org/doc/?t=mideast&c=iran
http://web.amnesty.org/wire/September2004/Iran
Regardless, we should talk to them as we should talk to Al-Qaeda.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:54 pmIt’s time for peace no more war!
Here a link on Human Rights abuses in your paradise call Iran
Comment by Batman
Hey, Batman, you are having ass cramps. Nobody is calling Iran a paradise. But, hey, go ahead, if that makes you feel important.
February 18th, 2007 at 11:57 pmJuan C,
February 19th, 2007 at 12:00 amI’m sick of war. I want peace. My point is that if we talk to Al-Qaeda maybe we can resolve our differences with them. They are Humans after all. We need to talk. I’m sick of war!
Iran is not a paradise, but there are far worse places in the world like Iraq is today a hell-hole.
February 19th, 2007 at 12:05 amThe Pakis have been doing some bombing in the region, eventually they may hit the mighty millionaire…
absurd thought -
February 19th, 2007 at 12:09 amGod of the Universe roots
GO OSAMA GO
.
We need more hacks to combat al Qaeda. Miss Brownie. Here come lots more like him!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-scher/crippling-our-civil-servi_b_40029.html
It’s a race against time. The Republicans have two years to destroy our government. Their latest move is to empower lots more crony hacks. I am so mad about this. This one is as bad as the Republicans firing good prosecutors and replacing them with hacks. It’s just another outrage.
No one is today is doing more damage to our government and our Nation than the Republicans. It’s too risky to let them continue for two more years.
And they are blatantly breaking laws all over the place in the process. Please Democrats. Please pick up the investigations. We need impeachment and removal of Bush/Cheney before it’s too late!
February 19th, 2007 at 12:16 amIt’s too bad “great journalists” will never get a shot at true,straight forward investigative journalism with the MSM the way it is anymore.
Then I think of all the wasted “resources” these news groups wield and it is such a shame that what comes out of the pen, the camera, and the typewriter these days is like a form-letter melodrama of what reallty ISN”T happening in the world today.
Up is down, down is up, left is right, right is left, cold is hot, hot is cold.
I just did a doubletake on my calendar, nope it’s still 2007 and not 1984 like I thought.
There is a 23 year timewarp here from 1984-2007.
To know what is happening today, one needs only look at America’s recent history say in the last 50 years.
1957-2007
If there is a political chronology of the past 50 years, I shall attempt to find it and post here. If it’s too long I will just post the link and a brief.
Here is a good start.
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
George HW Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin
It’s also downloadable in .zip format at the above link or HTML on same link.
Always start at the “root” and follow it’s “stems.”
February 19th, 2007 at 12:43 amabsurd thought -
God of the Universe roots
GO OSAMA GO
.Comment by USpace
The gods are too fond of a good joke, just look at who is President of the US?
That makes sense to me, don’t it?â€
February 19th, 2007 at 1:14 am~ George W. Bush, 2006-06-06
AlQaeda is regaining strength in the areas where their Pashtun, Taliban allies were and still are: In Afghanistan in the bordering areas with Pakistan, as well as inside Pakistan.
That is where they used to be before the invasion, it was only natural they rebuilt their network in those areas.
So much for the “fight them over there” argument for prolonging the occupation of Iraq. And now that AlQaeda is back in Afghanistan and in Pakistan the Bush administration is aiming its guns at… Iran, of course!
But it will make sense to the 30%ers -somehow it always does…
February 19th, 2007 at 1:49 amThe gods are too fond of a good joke, just look at who is President of the US?
That makes sense to me, don’t it?â€
~ George W. Bush, 2006-06-06
Comment by Wayne — February 19, 2007
absurd thought -
February 19th, 2007 at 1:55 amGod of the Universe says
the world is Bush’s fault
.
rachel states:
“And also from an EX troll,”;and
” I used to be the CEO of TrollsInternational.”
ROFLOL!
February 19th, 2007 at 2:05 amIs that rich,or what?
That’s right PAT, it’s all in the past;We’ll always forget how vulgar a namejacker you’ve been.
the world is Bush’s fault
Comment by USpace
More like-Bush is the Neocon worlds fault.
February 19th, 2007 at 2:09 amNow, as to this cryptic phrase:
B-F-U-A-S-I-H-L-A-U-S-R-S-E
I see-”BUSH’S FAILURES”.
February 19th, 2007 at 2:25 amOr- “BUSH IS A FAILURE”.
B-F-U-A-S-I-H-L-A-U-S-R-S-E
More like “Bush failure ass”.
February 19th, 2007 at 2:49 amMore like “Bush failure assâ€.
Comment by wake-n-bake
Yep,I think that’s it.
February 19th, 2007 at 3:22 amIf America were serious about the threat that Al Queda poses there is a solution. The solution is one of problem solving.
1. Listen to the complaint that Al Queda has.
2. I believe Al Queda’s complaint is one of America’s colonial exploitation of the world.
3. Straight forward actions can be taken to remove the perception.
4. Money and military coersion are at the heart of Al Queda’s complaint, hence the attack on the Trade Centres and the Pentagon.
5. First Congress must reverse the tax cuts given to the very rich in the United States and introduce greater taxation of those who can afford it most.
6. Use some of the increased US government revenue for programs to help the poorest. Making direct payments to the victims of Katrina. The payments should be large enough for them to get a complete new start. I don’t know what amount that might be but perhaps a flat $50,000 for everyone effected. The amount should be the same for all persons. It is not meant to be insurance coverage.
7. Turn prisons into education facilities so that people there can improve their chances and life opportunities.
8. Reducing military spending would free up vast amounts of money for productive programs.
9. America should provide trillions of dollars in funding through the United Nations for programs that help the poorest people of the world. It is essential that the USA back away from directing the funds. It is essential that the people who need the funds must decide what will serve their needs best. Using the UN avoids the hedgemonic Western view being imposed on people with different beliefs, and cultures.
11. America’s slurring of religous and political beliefs needs to stop. It is mere arrogants on the part of Americans to try to force your “values” on those who do not believe nor trust in your values.
10. After the USA has taken these kinds of steps it would likely become possible to hold meetings with groups who protest against the American hedgemon such as, and even, Al Queda.
February 19th, 2007 at 5:29 amGREAT NEWS GREAT NEWS
February 19, 2007
Congress’ Liability in a
Nuclear Strike on Iran
No more European vacations for our legislators?
Madrid, Brussels, London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, and Vienna may well be off-limits to U.S. members of Congress soon. Just as well: they will still be able to enjoy pleasant summer breaks in Crawford, Texas, or Jackson Hole, Wyo., in the best of companies [1], [2]. That’s certainly preferable to ending up in a European jail for a very long time.
Every one of the 535 members of the 110th Congress is liable to face criminal indictment from the International Criminal Court in de Hague if the U.S. uses nuclear weapons in the impending conflict with Iran.
Following an indictment, every country that is a State Party to the International Criminal Court (ICC) will be required to take into custody any members of Congress…………………
February 19th, 2007 at 6:16 amNice, lets prosecute the wrong enemy at home and abroad.
Only idiots do that.
February 19th, 2007 at 6:26 amProbably pretty easy to recruit and sway those sitting on the fence over to your side when you can say: “Look, watch CNN, the Americans are pulling out, we have the Democrats on our side”.
Image if you were a Muslim and you wanted to oppose terrorists. You wouldn’t have much faith in the Americans to help you if they are signaling they will abandon there commitments whenever they become difficult. This is less like Vietnam and more like the Bay of Pigs.
Nice work, Democrats. Chalk about another victory in your win column in the war on terror.
February 19th, 2007 at 7:07 amBruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University, told the House Armed Services Committee last week that Al Qaeda “is on the march.†He said, “Al Qaeda in fact is now functioning exactly as its founder and leader, Osama bin Laden, envisioned it,†because, he said, Qaeda leaders are planning major attacks and inspiring militants to carry out attacks around the globe.
I realize that ‘progressives’ will try to explain how Al Qaeda is Bush’s fault (even though the U.S. was attacked many times before Bush came into office) and ignore that there is a threat at all. . Think whatever you want, but please get your head’s out of the sand about the real threat of terrorism. The preschool mentality of denying any of position of the opposition, works on the playground, but the stakes are much higher now. I’m afraid the last thing I may hear from my liberal friends before I get the news we are losing a city to a dirty bomb is: “I know you are, but what am I”?
February 19th, 2007 at 7:19 amDoug-
On the “Injured US troops held in revolting conditions thread” you state;
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65. What Americans need are more tax cuts!
Comment by doug — February 19, 2007 @ 5:45 am
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Then I said on my post 66 to you, some 3 hours later…
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What Americans need are more tax cuts!
Comment by doug
>
So early yet this a.m.
Most posters here include a sarcasm/on/off warning when being coy or flippant. Youâ€ll learn.
Comment by rachel — February 19, 2007 @ 8:51 am
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Then I come up to this thread, the “Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda regaining power” thread. You further state in your post 62;
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5. First Congress must reverse the tax cuts given to the very rich in the United States and introduce greater taxation of those who can afford it most.
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I am confused. Either you believe one or the other, or you are a TROLL.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:17 amWhich is it? I have my suspicions.
Bush: Mission Accomplished.
Bush: We won’t stop until we have Bin Laden…dead or alive.
Bush: We’re not sure where Bin Laden is, and he’s not much of a concern to us at this point.
Way to go, Mr. p(R)esident.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:25 amThink whatever you want, but please get your head’s out of the sand about the real threat of terrorism. Comment by paul
Hey, paul, how many countries invaded, bombs over civilians and Abu Ghraibs later do you need to feel safe of terrorism? Just let us know, so we can do bodycounts. Remember, what goes around comes around.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:35 amB – F – U – A – S – I – H – L – A – U -S -R -S – E
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by RUCerious — February 18, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
aaargh! … i didn’t sleep at all last night!
February 19th, 2007 at 9:39 amwhat does this mean?!!?
katy: read that beginning at the B and jumping one letter every time, then get back to the F to begin again: Bush ass failure.
February 19th, 2007 at 9:43 amuoy! thank you juan… was never any good at those kinds of puzzles…
February 19th, 2007 at 10:13 ammuch too impatient! thank you!
katy – read every other letter to discover the secret puzzle.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:29 amBushass Failure!
Tora Bora = Intentional Botch by GWB – hmmm….how can it be that we can find Saddam but can’t begin to find Osama??? Old friendships and business alliances die hard I guess.
Certainly, what we’ve created has empowered them….that’s a “no brainer”.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:39 amSays President George W. Bush “This country is pursuing a new strategy in Iraq, and I ask you to give it a chance to work.”
This is the equivalent of when the three American Idol judges say “No” and the AI hopeful pleads, “Can I sing something else?” The response should be a resounding “NO!”
We gave you three years to make your Iraq strategy work, W, and you’ve screwed the pooch. As of this week, 7 of 10 Americans think you’re doing a crappy job, more Americans than not want you out of the presidency, and the fact that you would lead us further into war, a war that has been condemned by everyone from your citizens, to your congress, to your former cabinet members (including your former Secretary of State), to your joint chiefs for crying out loud, is nothing short of dispicable. When people stood in your way, even your own generals, you simply stripped them of their power like a true dictator. You’ve removed the very notion of checks and balances. You’ve broken the law and rewritten it to clear yourself of wrongdoing. You’ve disguised your crimes under the banner of defense, and rallied our sympathies on lies. You’ve wiped out democracy.
But I don’t have to spend my time being mad about this, because time will take care of things. The history books will remember you as a simple man too thick to make smart decisions or coherent speeches, a puppet of his corrupt administration (read: Cheney and Rove), the first person to begin to erode the freedoms that make America great. You will be remembered with a wince, a scar on American history, the man who turned the world against America, a man who leaves the country much worse than he received it.
In fact, if anything, we should thank you, Mr. Bush, for reminding us what makes America great. When your embarassing reign of terror is over, perhaps we’ll appreciate what we have here with the USA.
This is a direct quote from U.S. SENATOR PATRICK LEAHY: I have never seen a time when our Constitution and fundamental rights as Americans were more threatened by their own government.
Says it all. I feel something that is as close to hatred as I’ve ever felt. Betrayed by our own government. Misled by our president. A corrupt, dispisable administration that will almost certainly be vilified by future generations has destroyed – no, better yet, intentionally pissed on – almost everything that makes America great. Suspending core American principles. Holding people without trials. Torturing criminals. Spying on Americans. Attacking a non-threat because they went after his dad.
George Bush is a pathetic leader and his central staff mostly consists of people who have done a miserable job at supporting America and dammit! I want my rights back!
To those who think that Lieutenant Watada is a traitor or a deserter, let me remind you of a time when a government scared its fearful citizens into segregating themselves. A time when disloyalty to the army was disloyalty to the nation. When opposing the government (which, by the way, is an American core value, protected by the Bill of Rights itself) made you unpatriotic. That time was Nazi Germany, and although it may *feel* like a hyperbolic analogy, I think it’s apt. And look how we remember it.
The government HAS decieved us and America is less safe today than a few years ago. BRAVO for a soldier whose allegiance is to the constitution and not a corrupt, criminal administration.
Lt. Watada is a hero. When he took his oath, he took it to uphold the American Constitution, not to blindly support a Commander in Chief. And when the Commander in Chief orders something illegal, should it be opposed? After all, wasn’t “I was just following orders” the defense used in Nuremburg? One we, as humans, found unacceptable? One that we felt was not an excuse? If Lt Watada is convinced, as about 51% of American people are, that the administration’s actions are illegal, if not plainly dispicable, and his goal is truly to fight for America, then he has greater convinction than most pathetic Americans who are committed to nothing but TV or an unquestioned political party. And if he’s willing to go to prison for his beliefs, he has more courage than most of the cowards who judge him anonymously on an online message baord.
History will vindicate this man. I remain convinced that history will remember President Bush as the worst president ever, even worse than Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, or even Warren Harding. The “government” that exists today has done, and is doing, things so distinctly un-American than it’s easy to find quotes from our forefathers that expressly condemn their actions! Freedom of the press is at stake. Freedom of speech is at stake. Freedom to oppose your government is at stake. Your very rights are at stake – you can now be held without trial and tortured if you are suspected of being a terrorist. Your privacy is gone. And it’s all under the guise of “for your protection.” Folks, what good is safety if you have no freedom? Says Benjamin Franklin, “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
I wonder what it will be like when we have some distance from this era and we look back: will we be living in a 1984-like military state? Or will our freedoms be restored and we remember this as I expect, like a period where a self-serving administration sought to control its citizens and promote its own agenda?
Time will tell.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:41 amHey Paul….do your homework please before making inana statements without credibility. It’s clear that we could have gotten Osama (Mahfouz’s bro) if we wanted to. The fact is that Mahfouz and GWB were “business partners” in Arbusto Energy and have a very long history of corrupt connections. THIS is precisely why GWB waived off rumors of 911…..THIS is the connection GWB didn’t want investigated….THIS is at the root of all that’s gone wrong in this country….connecting the dots has become “child’s play”….guess that’s why individuals who have less than a “child’s IQ” can’t seem to connect them??
February 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amPaul–
I think Liberals have every right to blame Bush for the reemergence of Osama bin Laden as a powerful terrorist. Bush promised he would hunt down those responsible for 9/11, yet he allowed bin Laden to escape into the mountains of Afghanistan. Then we invaded a country that had no connection to 9/11 or Al Qaeda. We have our troops overcommitted and distracted from Al Qaeda and have created a terrorist breeding ground in Iraq.
Here’s how it works: Bush has allowed an evil terrorist to remain free and regain power while spending billions of dollars and thousands of American lives in the wrong country. Bush IS to blame.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:55 amI’m afraid the last thing I may hear from my liberal friends before I get the news we are losing a city to a dirty bomb is: “I know you are, but what am I�
Comment by paul — February 19, 2007 @ 7:19 am
You’re being paranoid.
February 19th, 2007 at 11:00 am#76 – go to http://www.911truth.org and check out the article written by Sander Hicks, AlterNet and see what obvious “bedfellows” Bush & Osama really are/were/always will be. This will make your hair stand on end. The article is entitled: 9/11: THE CASE ISN’T CLOSED. Check it out today.
February 19th, 2007 at 11:55 am9/11: THE CASE ISN’T CLOSED by Sander Hicks was posted on February 2, 1007 – go to http://www.911truth.org and scoll down about 5 or 6 to find locate it. It’s downright scary!
February 19th, 2007 at 11:57 am#77 And whom do you believe made the american public so skeptical? Whom do you think pulled the bogus “terror alerts” continually to ante up the “fear agenda” before elections? Whom do you think would be responsible for the game of “Crying Wolf”??
It the GOP and people like yourself who voted these idiots into office, that’s who! It’s small wonder the liberals who had the intelligence and foresight to NOT vote any Rethug into office can now say directly to people like you: ‘WE TOLD YOU SO, DOLT!
February 19th, 2007 at 11:59 am“WE TOLD YOU SO, DOLT”
There’s the real agenda!
February 19th, 2007 at 12:07 pmHECKUVA JOB DUBBIE!!!!
Enjoy your new western-style parliamentary democracy, good people of afghanistan!!! YOU’RE WELCOME!!!
damn! i just don’t see why everyone doesn’t love us and want to be just like us. probably because they’ve heard about our “liberals and democrats”
is “mild retardation” the new “good citizenship”??
February 19th, 2007 at 12:19 pm“WE TOLD YOU SO, DOLTâ€
There’s the real agenda!
Comment by paul
You’re right, paul. That is the real agenda. We progressives don’t give a shit about our troops being used for cannon fodder, or the fact that we invaded a country that was no threat to us, or that the Middle East is now thrown into turmoil, or that Iraqi children are being blown up every single day for no good reason.
You are so right, paul. Our only agenda is that now we are able to say to idiots like you — WE TOLD YOU SO!! WE WERE RIGHT!! THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS!!
/truly heavy sarcasm
February 19th, 2007 at 12:35 pmZooey #83, as alway’s I send a big Bravo and good link’s today as well…Much I had read about long before this miserable basterd bush was installed, but not all….The evil’s in charge are like the troll’s that reside here, they get all their coffers filled and want more, to hell with every one else and no matter how many die in the process..
Lot’s of rain and cold here on the coast, inside and political work is the day’s plan..Bear is working on attitude adjustment and new control coller..4 on the ground @125 pound’s out pull’s 2 on the ground@135 every time..LOL..
To all posters, please write letters to your editors about the miserable conditions in the V.A. hospitals also your representatives…There would be a great solution to these old warn out hospital’s and slow service our vet’s have to wait for…My solution would be to have free medical to all vet’s in every hospital and Doctor’s office in our country…The V.A could close down all these dreadful buildings and issue check’s to the medical providers upon service…No waiting, no poor service and imediate care that they deserve..Sorry for being off topic….Maybe not…Blessings all..What have you done today to bring about Peace.?….Do something to bring all the troops home now…
February 19th, 2007 at 1:20 pmThink whatever you want, but please get your head’s out of the sand about the real threat of terrorism.
Comment by paul #66
paul,
You’re the one who needs to “THINK”…
…deadly military force does not address the ROOT CAUSES of “terrorism”…
…therefore will not solve the problem…
…What are the causes paul?
…and what “effective” ways (non-military) can YOU think of that will convince these “terrorists” that their struggle and method of overcoming it is illegitimate?
…try thinking outside the PRIMAL box paul…
…seriously…
February 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmMy solution would be to have free medical to all vet’s in every hospital and Doctor’s office in our country…The V.A could close down all these dreadful buildings and issue check’s to the medical providers upon service…No waiting, no poor service and imediate care that they deserve..Comment by Sharon — February 19, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
Sharon, I like it! Too bad it has so much common sense, we know how hard that is to implement…
We are having false spring down here in the Bay Area, it is strange. I’ll try to shoot some sun your way.
February 19th, 2007 at 2:47 pmThank’s SKdea, we need it…Can you do a quick send, feet getting webed and turning into a soggie spring here….Blessings
February 19th, 2007 at 4:06 pmlet’s get serious about terrorism, and ship those Afghans several billion dollars in cash!!!!
February 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pmBefore we start going all ga-ga over another questionable report like this, it would help a lot if more Americans saw the following videos:
Al Qaeda Doesn’t Exist
The War on Terror is a Fraud
Both of these virals are excerpts from the BBC documentary, “The Power of Nightmares”, which was banned from the US media after it was smeared by Peter Bergen, the self-proclaimed “expert” on terrorism. The entire documentary can be downloaded at here.
February 19th, 2007 at 5:58 pmIt comes back to one the more glaring defects of US leadership; ARROGANCE, it even spilled over to the media. As Putin observed last week in Munich about the US marching all over the place (globe) w/o regard for anyone except its dubious “Interests” that assessmnet should have come from our own media, so scared of Cheney, a long time ago. We are about to loose three wars, maybe four – while Pakistan is OUR? ally? What a hoax.
February 19th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWe are not lucking fire power, simply
thinking power!
Well, Helmut, there never was any intention to “win” a war in Iraq…destabilization and depopulation were sufficient to satisfy the zio-cons. Now it turns out that Cheney has been looking to get $100 oil from the start. So any loss of oil production stemming from an attack on Iran is just gravy for that skeevy bastard. It’s not looking good and this piece on Al Qaeda is just more disinformation.
February 20th, 2007 at 12:07 amFor ignoring 9 months of warnings about al-qaeda’s intent to attack the US, Bush *IS* responsible
For putting 90% of the military and fiscal resources into invading and occupying Iraq, NOT connected to 9/11 and NOT (at that time) connected to al-qaeda, Bush *IS* responsible
For ignoring and refusing to make any *real* effort to DEFEAT the Taliban (not just drive them over the border into Pakistan), and allowing them to regenerate bigger and badder, Bush *IS* responsible.
For allowing bin Laden to escape at Tora Bora by refusing the extra troops needed to seal the exit and capture and/or kill OBN, Bush IS responsible.
For continuing to ignore al-qaeda outside the imitators in Iraq, thereby allowing al-qaeda to regenerate and re-establish command and control, Bush *IS* responsible.
Starting a war with Iran will not defeat the Taliban, nor will it eliminate bin Laden and his echelon, it will only inflame genuine hatreds against Bush’s drive for dominance in the Middle East and allow al qaeda to recruit even more terrorists to their cause. And whatever the consequences of attacking Iran, Bush *IS* responsible.
I have absolutely no faith in those 535 cowards ‘running’ Congress to either rein Bush in before he makes an awful situation truly horrific by attacking Iran, but I do have faith that this monsterous man (and the dark men whispering in his ear) will be held accountable by whatever god they believe in. Hell is going to be VERY crowded, and I think the Republican contingent will be horrified to find them sitting next to the likes of Arafat, Hitler, Hussein, and Bin Laden, judged equally culpable for all the death and suffering they’ve either caused directly or allowed to happen. Hope they like the heat.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:45 amOsama and Ayman
February 20th, 2007 at 8:09 pmSaid to the Pieman
“May I sample Your Pie
OTHERWISE–YOU DIE!”
Said the Pieman
To Osama and Ayman,
“I thought you two were GONE!”
Said Osama and Ayman
To the bewildered pieman
“FORGOTTEN–BUT NEVER GONE!”
“And now, Mr. Pieman,”
Said Osama and Ayman,
Pointing their Kalashnikovs at him,
“GIVE US YOUR PIE!”
They pulled their triggers
“AND DIE!!!!!”
Poor Mr. Pieman,
Because of CHIMPya’s Iraq FOLLY
Had to DIE at the hands of
Osama and Ayman!