Tony Snow and White House Reporters Slam The ‘Hateful,’ ‘Polarized’ Blogosphere
Tony Snow and White House Reporters Slam The ‘Hateful,’ ‘Polarized’ Blogosphere
In a press roundtable at the National Press Club tonight, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow led a discussion with White House correspondents about the impact of the internet on their respective jobs. Their conclusion? They don’t like being challenged by blogs.
NBC News’ David Gregory bemoaned how political coverage has “become so polarized in this country…because it’s the internet and the blogs that have really used this White House press conferences to somehow support positions out in America, political views.” Tony Snow admitted he sometimes reads blogs (”I’ll occasionally punch it up”) only to find “wonderful, imaginative hateful stuff that comes flying out.”
Newsweek’s White House correspondent Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information. … It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender.”
Watch it:
Transcript:
David Gregory, White House correspondent for NBC News:
“I think politics and political coverage has become so polarized in this country…because it’s the internet and the blogs that have really used this White House press conferences to somehow support positions out in America, political views. And they will clip and digitize portions of these briefings to fit into their particular argument.”
Tony Snow, White House Press Secretary:
“You’ve got this wonderful, imaginative hateful stuff that comes flying out. I think one of the most important takeaways is — it’s the classical line — not only should you not believe your own press, you probably shouldn’t believe your opposition blogs either.”
Richard Wolffe, White House correspondent for Newsweek:
“They want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information. … It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender. … It’s not a political exercise, it’s a journalistic exercise. And I think often the blogs are looking for us to be political advocates more than journalistic ones.”
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Yeah but its only 5 weeks away from the TV "smooch" between Courtney Cox and Jennifer Aniston, c'mon.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:14 pmNewsweek’s White House correspondent Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information.
And what an abject failure you have been.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:15 pmThey've obviously been on stormfront and the free republic based on the description!
February 20th, 2007 at 9:16 pmRothschild spent Billions to control mainstream media, forgot to control the Internet, oops!
February 20th, 2007 at 9:18 pmThey can read the handwriting on the wall...
...THEY owe the people for:
lying for...or ignoring the facts
covering up for
propagandizing for
giving a pass to
carrying water for
...the criminal Bushite junta leading up to the Iraq war...
...NOW they want to cry "WOE is we"...
...FIRST we get the Bushites...
...THEN we (the people) take back our media/airwaves...
February 20th, 2007 at 9:21 pmIf anyone gets the chance, go listen to "The Press Corpse" by Anti-flag [on their site or streamed somewhere on these tubes]; it describes the Beltway Media to a T.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:22 pmThe right wing Bushites are reeling...
...not DEAD...
...we have to STOMP their inbred, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, fascist, TREASONOUS al Crackkker a*ses into the ground...
...show no mercy when we get the chance...
February 20th, 2007 at 9:24 pm"It’s not a political exercise, it’s a journalistic exercise. And I think often the blogs are looking for us to be political advocates more than journalistic ones.â€
If you'd prepare for ten minutes, being aware of the past answers of this administration, you could easily pick up the lies and fabrication, and turn your "political exercise" into a journalistic one...
If you'd stick to the truth, instead of the spin, you would not be crapping on bloggers. FireDogLake just showed you the way to do it, prepare, study, and don't settle for trite answers.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:24 pmThe elites are getting restless. Good.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:25 pmRothschild owns Isreal too, heh.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:28 pmI can understand their complaints.
People here realize that few "reporters" and none of the roundtable panel know anything at all without being told.
They have no independent minds whatsoever and we point out the obvious!! If everyone catches on, they're out of business.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:28 pmLooks like cocktail weenies are still in style in some circles.
Make em all go watch "All the President's Men" for a refresher course in how journalism is supposed to be conducted.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:28 pmI think these idiots either do not realize or they blindly look away from the fact that bloggers and people posting comments at blogs are voters voicing their concerns about thesad state the government is in today.They are also ignoring the impact the grass root efforts of bloggers in the last election, informing the public on the issues that the Corporate owned MSM has ignored.
Our role is to ask questions and get information.-- Richard Wolffe
A role you have been failing at, Wolffe. In fact MSM has been deliberately avoiding some issues altogether, not asking the questions and not looking for the right information.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:29 pmWe are not as blind and stupid as you wish to try to keep us.
Actually I usually like Richard Wolffe and David Gregory, but what I find too often is that reporters do NOT ask questions that elicit information. They ask questions without follow up, allow the interviewee to say what he wants, true or not, unchallenged, and leave it to the public to decide what is true. They may or may not have an opposing interviewee at the same session.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:30 pmReporters are stinging because they have been slapped by the bloggers, and they hear that the public is blaming reporters for not doing their jobs.
That a fact - they are not wrong.
If reporters had done real reporting, asked the challenging questions, probed into claims of this and that, exposed the truth, were less intimidated by the White House and its campaign-donating, corporate CEOs, were brave enough to report their findings regardless of whose feathers would be ruffled, and mostly, if they had not smoothed the path on which Bush would rise to his level of complete incompetence, we would not find ourselves where we are today.
Tony Snow is a slick, smooth-tongued propagandist -- perfect for Bush&Co. But he comes across as I describe.
The public has been burned by Bush&Co. and they are blaming the media in part for letting it happen. Bloggers have stepped in to fill the void; they provide information, though it may be biased, that the disenfranchised, taken-for-granted general public has been seeking. It has also contributed to the divisiveness we see today.
Well, Tony Snow, if you bring up THINK PROGRESS and look at the comments under you and white house, you'll see exactly what wonderful, imaginative, hateful stuff comes flying out of my frantically typing fingers to poke your silly mooncalf eyes in and slap your sheepishly grinning sappy mouth over the RIDICULOUS psychobabble gobbledegook NONSENSE you spout at the behest of CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies--the HATEFUL JINGOISTIC DEMAGOGUERY comes from your side, NOT MINE--I am just calling you on your lies and propagation of the lies you are told to spout and try to pass off as truth. Tony Snow, YOU would not know the TRUTH if it came up and BIT YOU IN THE ASS!!!!!
February 20th, 2007 at 9:30 pmOh, that's good: "It's not our job to do our job."
February 20th, 2007 at 9:31 pmGod, politics are not polarized ENOUGH! To look at the news, you'd think that there is a magnetic monopole in US policy---all of it is driven to the right. The left only exists as a place to be avoided.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:31 pmya know something? This report and the conference itself is a perfect example of the press capitulation. The threats have been obviously posted and the response is clear. do as I say or else.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:33 pmGregory has become just one more bobblehead.
If there is ever to be a free country and a country willing to stand up for the tenets upon which this country was formed.
if there ever was a constitutional crisis, this is it.
Watching this play out is going to be one hell of a ride.
Good thing nobody really watches C-Span. I mean, I think its a good channel(s) and all, but who watches it?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:33 pmSounds like we've lost any hope of a free press, at least at the MSM level. And now they are trying to destroy the non-traditional free press. We are in deep shit, here, people. We've been on the verge of a totalitarian government for some time now, but I've think we've just tipped over the edge. I suspect it's time to go underground, but how do we do that?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:35 pmYes the blogs are looking for political advocates Wolffe, I'll give you that. And some comments are hateful. I can give you that.
Tony, shut up.
How dare the internests quote the White House Press Secretary. The truth may be uncovered.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:36 pmWhat happened to the days of the President being grilled by a journalist?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:37 pmTony Snow wouldn't recognize a fact if it were dissolved in water, soaked into the straw lying on the ground and crammed back into his useless scarecrow head!
February 20th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThey want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information.
Well, when will you start playing that role?
Assuming you agree your role is to get meaningful information that can used by the American public to make informed decisions.
On the other hand, if you think your role is to get whatever information the White House wants to convey -and, given your track record, I suspect that is what you have in mind- then your role is largely that of a stenographer.
It’s not a political exercise, it’s a journalistic exercise.
And when the president says "we've never been 'stay the course' " and journaliss don't challenge him, it's no exercise at all. It's more of a joke. A bad one, at that.
Why else would you cozzy up to the White House during a "Round Table", if not to gain favors from the politically powerful?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:38 pm“It’s not our job to do our job.â€
Comment by Avedon #16
...Perfect...
February 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pmOf course bloggers review the media. They're so corrupted by corporations and the RNC, Americans need a guide to the news coverage.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:41 pm#
Good thing nobody really watches C-Span. I mean, I think its a good channel(s) and all, but who watches it?
Comment by ForTruth — February 20, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
I watch it whenever I can. But most people I know find it " boring." Attention span and a denial of reality and the pain it brings in KNOWING...even my own sister...a Democrat and fellow traveler can't stand to be plugged in long to "REAL" news of any kind, and escapes to stupid programs on TV as soon as she can. SAD, SAD. Breaks my heart...and it will destroy our country.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:42 pmPardon us lowly peasants, Lords Gregory and Snow, for going around the poodle-press at the White House ...
thank God for the blogosphere so these pampered and primpy fools can't control "the narrative"
February 20th, 2007 at 9:42 pmWait you mean their job is not to repeat what they are told without discernment for 24/7? !!
February 20th, 2007 at 9:42 pmIt is shocking .... they really don't get it, do they? The blogs wouldn't have come into prominence if the press DID their job the past 6 years. The only reason the truth is getting out now is b/c blogs have held the press accountable and forced issues. The fact the press is actually smoking and joking with the WH press sec. today tells me all I need to know about how they view their responsibilities.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:45 pmbreaking news!! 'spineless media wont report truth' and blogs were born.....
February 20th, 2007 at 9:47 pmCowards
February 20th, 2007 at 9:48 pm"It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender.â€
Why not?
These parrots cannot stand feedback of any sort. Suddenly they are challenged immediately and directly and they do not have the intelligence to deal with the confrontation. Until the blogosphere they just spewed their sycophantic BS and expected to be awarded a Pulitzer because of seniority. It don't work that way any more. It is hell when you have to earn your keep isn't it fools?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:50 pmLove how Snow quickly brushes off the 1st Amenedment comment. Damn commies.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:50 pma confederacy of dunces if there ever was one ... but they belied their own rhetoric by not including bloggers on the panel
February 20th, 2007 at 9:50 pmIt's uncomfortable to hear from the unwashed masses, i.e. the taxpayers.
They were supposed to support empire, but they want their schools fixed instead.
The People are so annoying and difficult when they ask for the impossible, and our sponsors, like GE say war must go on.
The people are stupid. Why do I have to listen to them?
Pass the brie.
Thanks Tony.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:51 pmGood thing nobody really watches C-Span
Comment by ForTruth #19
I watch it whenever I can.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush #27
I do too impeach (every morning I get the chance)...
...it's like taking the nation's pulse...
...I find C-Span to be really objective...
...it catches hell from BOTH left and right viewers...
(I even complain about them from time to time)
...for being "partisan"...
...and that let's you know it's truly...
..."non-partisan"...
February 20th, 2007 at 9:51 pmIt’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them
Would someone, anyone, explain to these circus monkeys the role of the gaddarn FOURTH ESTATE???!!!~~~
February 20th, 2007 at 9:52 pmWhat planet are these people from?
February 20th, 2007 at 9:54 pmThey're running scared and they're clueless.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:55 pmHey buttholes,
In response to this, I have the following to say:
The last 6 years under the Bush and all his friends, they have created the most polarizing political climate by suspending habeas corpus and launching wars over fabricated lies!
It's not like we're happy with all the problems facing us, and personally I wish none of them existed and we lived in a perfect world.
But ignoring problems won't make them go away, and is detrimental to our way of life.
To quote the historian Howard Zinn, "You can't be neutral on a moving train."
February 20th, 2007 at 9:59 pmRichard Wolffe, what you're really saying is it isn't your job to call the government on valid issues & keep doing it tell they fess up? really?? then why do you even exist? to pass on the propaganda to a cognitively dead republic??
February 20th, 2007 at 9:59 pmIt is so inconvenient when bloggers point out the lies.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:00 pmBlogs = free speech = the people = governments problem
They are trying to put down blogs (us) once again. It won't work. "Polarized" is a word that this present cabal/goverment OWNS. They (this government!) polarizied this country by design.....divide and conquer. They sowed the seeds of discontent ON PURPOSE to weaken the American public. They are evil.
The Blogs are duking it out..yes...but much of it is the American people trying to come together again after this government's attempts to turn libs against cons.
The cabal does not want us, Americans, to work out our differences in the blogs. They want to demonize the blogs by saying we are "polarized." They are a smelly crafty bunch..Snow and Co.
Some day soon the blogs are going to start sending a clearer and more united message as the fruit of all this discussion. The message? "Get out of Washington and to hell with you....BushCo."
February 20th, 2007 at 10:02 pmGet a clue guys..If you'd ask the questions and do your job, then we wouldn't have to be out here being nags and getting angry...
By the way, as the fourth estate, you are supposed to be the opposition to the lies that the corrupt people in the gov't tell you. Not shills for the other side...and yeah we noticed how important Clinton's lie was to this crowd, how come things like being lied into war and the Downing Street memo and Libby and Rove, etc. aren't investigated more you lazy so and so's ...
Maybe if you were less concerned with getting invited to the White House for dinner than you are in doing some real investigative journalism, then we could talk... as it is, you are all a bunch of well paid fat cats that have no intention of biting the hand that feeds you.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:02 pm#36 - bob,
February 20th, 2007 at 10:02 pmNot to criticize you, but I showered tday. ;D.
The basic question is why the current administration is out of touch with the entire human race. Can anyone deliver an answer?
I think somebody should invent a bobblehead chip for the TV.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:03 pmGood God Richard, Do you really think that doing your job as a journalist means that you can not agressively seek an answer to important questions? That you must stop asking the questions when the admininstration tells you "enough"?
That certainly explains why journalist were unable to expose the lies the administration told the nation in the lead up to the Iraq war. You never pressed for any answers, you didn't ask the right questions, so it should not surprise you that people are now seeking alternate news sources.
In the blogesphere, there are brilliant writers with inquisitive minds, that actually care about getting their questions answers - as much as their readers care about learning what those answers are. These folks are gaining respect, while those journalists in the beltway are losing respect and readership.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:03 pmBlogging is the new model for the dissemination of information, and yes, journalists who do not do their jobs, do have something to fear.
waaaaaaaaaaah!
February 20th, 2007 at 10:04 pmIT IS THIS GOVERNMENT THAT IS HATEFUL. IT IS THIS GOVERNMENT THAT AIMS TO CONTROL IT'S CITIZENS BY LABELING AMERICAN DISSENT AND DEMOCRACY IN ACTION AS HATEFUL.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NOT FALL FOR THIS ANYMORE.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:04 pmTHIS HATEFUL GOVERNMENT MUST FALL.
We aren't killing people or squandering the health, wealth and security of the nation. Bush is and Tony Snow has lost his moral compass - not that he had any (I just don't know).
February 20th, 2007 at 10:04 pmIf only George Bush had gotten a blow job from an intern.
Then people like David Gregory would at long last have an incentive to do their jobs.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:06 pmGuess I've had it "up to here" tonight. The time is past when I want to rant and denounce this government and it's mouth pieces such as Mr. T. Snow. I want them in prison.
Why? Justice. They are criminals and it's time the American people realized it in full force. I want them tried and judged. I want my country back and I want the thugs to be punished. Tony Snow is not just a "snow job" or "smooth operator." He is a traitor.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:08 pmFu*king right wing media whores.
Comment by Spudge_Boy #42
You're right on Spudge...
...So we the people...
...have to be...
...better PIMPS!
February 20th, 2007 at 10:09 pmExcellent comments on this thread!
February 20th, 2007 at 10:09 pmThank God for blogs like Little Green Footballs which put the press' lies up to scrunity and exposes them.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:13 pmCan anyone deliver an answer?
Comment by WaltTheMan
I will try: Cuz they dont care about human race.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:14 pmTony Snow had no compunction about popping up regularly -- even occasionally hosting -- on Limbaugh's program when Snow was with Fox News. Does he think the bellicosity on Radio is less? Does this guy have a double standard or what?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:17 pmFunny how Dana Priest was busy while these blowhards were whining...
Thanks Dana
February 20th, 2007 at 10:21 pmI know that at times I can be flippant...
...and realize that the White(man's) House press corp...
...has to maintain a certain decorum in order to maintain privileges...
...like being allowed BACK into "the People's house"...
...especially when fascist megalomaniacs occupy it...
...But, Helen Thomas has proven that one doesn't have to be an hombre...
...to have cajones...
February 20th, 2007 at 10:21 pm"Hateful and polarized" Is Tony sure he wasn't referring to the Right Supremacist government he vouches for? I guess all that BS about there being a constitution is false then, huh?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:21 pmBlogosphere-wild eyed and hateful
The Limbaughsphere-a great forum for angry Americans who have had enough.
What a pack of as*wipes.
-GSD
February 20th, 2007 at 10:22 pmDon't be naive and continue to criticize this government in moderate and measured tones. The government is a group of criminals. When will that register with people? It's time folks. It's time to bring it on home. We need them out, tried, and decent people leading our country. TONY SNOW is a whore. Not "like" a whore. Not "almost" like a whore. HE IS A WHORE. He is an ego maniac. He is a child that has been bought and sold by a bunch of VERY VERY VERY bad people.
I have NOTHING but contempt for Tony Snow. Can ya tell?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:23 pm#57 you're getting Media Matters mixed up with the RW blogs.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:25 pmMSM needs to stop kissing asses and do the job they are supposed to do.
If they don't we will.
Maybe I am wrong they aren't kissing asses. They are too busy get and giving Blow Jobs.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:26 pmY'know, these vapid twerps really are mis-cast as reporters covering the most important events facing our nation.
They're much better equipped to be Sports Information Directors in the athletic departments of major universities. In that role, they're expected to be relentless, happy cheerleaders for the football team, be able to sing the fight song on demand, and ask softball questions of the head basketball coach after a tough loss to the instate rival. Their toughest decision would be whether to have the corned beef or turkey reuben at the press box before the big game.
Go, Team, Fight!!
February 20th, 2007 at 10:26 pmIt seems the greed-soaked minds and piss soaked pants syndrome has infested the media.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThe White House Press Corps needs to take a look at their brethern across the Atlantic who do not hesitate in the least to hold Tony Blair's feet to the fire. The British press corps actually takes its job seriously by challenging the Blair administration. Richard Wolffe would do well to remember the actions of his former British colleagues instead of making excuses for the way he and others ask their softball questions of Tony Snow.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pmSo Wolffe says he is a stenographer not a journalist?
Could you please make sure to add to every one of your articles, "As dictated by..." just so your readers understand you didn't use any CRITICAL THINKING in your writings?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:29 pmHere is what I say. Blog like you have never blogged before. Speak like never before. Because if we don't blog, we will lose our freedom. Period. It is serious now. Hateful blogs? How dare those swine. Who is going to win here? The swine or the people who "blog"....who "speak?"
We will. Our minds create our world. If we want a world that is decent, we must blog and we must prevail over the likes of BushCo and Tony Snow. These slick bastards are far worse then they seem, and the seem bad enough. They cause children's deaths by the thousands as they chuckle and lie and distract. I better stop now.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:29 pmIf these guys were up on their history, they would know that each age has its new form of media that crashes through traditional norms, and bring greater power to the people. If they understood this and embraced it rather than resisting the new and unknown, then they would clearly be able to continue to be relevant rather than temporarily putting off the inevitable.
Having said that, I do have respect for Gregory especially since it is established that he is individually more sympathetic towards bush, but compared to much of the rest of the press corp, pushes questions that need to be asked. I'm not giving him a total free pass, but he is less of a parrot than most.
Also, I think the reason they are upset over how the blogs want them to ask more partisan questions is more a problem of the position they are stuck in. If they want to get the good contacts, the interviews and the information, then they cannot be openly hostile toward administration officials who refuse to engage the opposing side. Even if they personally believe this administration is totally incompetent, as a reporter who is trying to get the story from the inside they cannot push that or they will lose all access.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:31 pmIs there anything more pathetic than 3 middle aged Newsmen Squalling how much they are victimized by the world?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pmThe MSM has no credibility with me any more. I remember days when Louella Parsons or Hedda Hopper asked tougher questions than the fluff that comes from the White House Press Corps these days. However, they will get their shark teeth out when a Democrat becomes President in 2008.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:34 pmNow all of you here tonight, aren't you just ashamed of yourselves for being so hateful and "polarized"!!
February 20th, 2007 at 10:36 pmOh look, a story about you guys:
Principles? Well, don't ask the liberal left
The Age (Melbourne) ^ | 20th February 2007 | Julie Szego
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/principles-well-dont-ask-the-liberal-left/2007/02/19/1171733680371.html
I remember going to a friend's for lunch in the lead-up to the post September 11 invasion of Afghanistan. Conversation drifted to the war ahead and the inevitable criticisms of US foreign policy. One woman's rage was particularly striking. "George Bush and his warmongering and there's (then opposition leader) Kim Beazley right there beside him, it's a disgrace," she fulminated.
She's a highly educated feminist, with a keen social conscience. So I waited for her to acknowledge, however grudgingly, that while she distrusted Dubya's motives, the prospect of the Taliban's imminent demise was a good one.
This Islamist regime butchered citizens who strayed from its fanatical edicts, massacred ethnic minorities, enslaved women - no proper health care, no education - and reduced the Buddhas of Bamiyan to rubble. Who from the so-called liberal left wasn't yearning to oust these thugs?
A great many, as it happened, including this woman. The grudging aside never came. The US was on the march and this outrage blinded her to any other.
Why revisit the debate over Afghanistan? Simply because in the muddle that is now Iraq it's easy to forget how much of the liberal left also opposed this earlier campaign against an enemy so starkly the antithesis of everything they stand for. Even more the antithesis, you could argue, than the Butcher of Baghdad with his half-baked secularism and pseudo-Soviet nationalism. And so, this opposition illustrates how counterintuitive leftist politics has become.
This is hardly an original critique. But in Britain, apostate journalist Nick Cohen has reignited the debate with his book, What's Left? How Liberals Lost Their Way. Cohen, a leftist seemingly from birth, was among those who opposed Afghanistan (a stance he now disavows). But Iraq brought an epiphany and now he sees the world as "upside down".
"Why is it that apologies for a militant Islam, which stands for everything the liberal left is against, come from the liberal left?" he asks. "Overwhelmingly and everywhere, liberals and leftists are far more likely than conservatives to excuse fascistic governments and movements, with the exception of their native far-right parties."
He describes the worldwide protests on February 15, 2003, when millions took to the streets, "to oppose the overthrow of a fascist regime". Italians, Spaniards, Greeks and Germans turned out despite their own relatively recent and painful memories of fascist rule. Former revolutionaries, such as the African National Congress and Sinn Fein, led marches.
Some war opponents, like South American writer Ariel Dorfman, who feared the consequences of an invasion, agonised about how he might explain his position to an Iraqi longing for freedom. The vast majority of marchers did not support the Baathist regime - nor did they bother to denounce it. They marched with conviction, their mood almost festive.
But the liberal left truly disgraced itself after Saddam's fall, Cohen says. They abandoned Iraqis who glimpsed a brighter future but needed help to defeat an insurgency that only a fantasist could see as a resistance movement. Iraqi unionists and democracy activists pleaded for help. The war's opponents could have fortified the moral high ground had they committed to saving Iraqis from the mess of America's making.
Instead, they washed their hands of the problem.
Writes Cohen: "The best of the old left in the trade unions and parliamentary Labour Party supported an anti-fascist struggle, regardless of whether they were for or against the war, and American Democrats went to fight in Iraq and returned to fight the Republicans. But . . . no one who looked at the liberal left from the outside could pretend that such principled stands were commonplace."
Whether post-Saddam Iraq might have evolved differently had liberals engaged with the cause, we will never know.
Cohen's thesis has been attacked by some as simplistic and a stubborn denial about the Iraq misadventure.
And yet, the wisdom of hindsight doesn't end this conversation. It doesn't answer why almost no one marched for the women oppressed by the Taliban, but plenty marched against a war that promised to liberate them. It doesn't answer why the streets weren't choked with protesters when Saddam gassed Kurds. It doesn't answer why they aren't choked now with protesters demanding an end to genocide in Sudan's Darfur.
Sometimes I struggle to hear the steely rage against Islamist terror, amid all the hand-wringing about how the West might be encouraging it.
In Australia, there's a peculiarly adolescent framework to these discussions because the question of whether or not we're "independent" of Big Daddy US tends to be debated more furiously than the merits of US policy itself. Forging a new internationalism, one that takes human rights seriously, would be a sign of growing up.
Despite the turmoil in Afghanistan, a new generation of girls in Kabul can now go to school. I call that hope, of sorts.
Many will respond that hypocrisy is hardly the preserve of the left and they are correct. But the left ought to relinquish any illusions of superiority or ideological coherence. A moral cancer took root some time ago, and to stop it from becoming terminal requires major surgery.
Julie Szego is a staff writer.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:36 pmTo ALL of you right wing Bushite TRAITORS and MSM co-conspirators...
...a seminal event took place today in Baghdad...
...that garnered the usual "Another Baghdad bombing" coverage...
...A tanker truck containing liquid chlorine and explosives was detonated in baghdad today...
...the death toll was minimal, but the signal unmistakable...
...the "insurgents"/ terrorists are rehearsing...
...and Bushiva and L'il Dick have furnished the "stage"...
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Updated April 20, 2006
Whether you're a newly minted blogger or a relative old-timer, you've been seeing more and more stories pop up every day about bloggers getting in trouble for what they post.
Like all journalists and publishers, bloggers sometimes publish information that other people don't want published. You might, for example, publish something that someone considers defamatory, republish an AP news story that's under copyright, or write a lengthy piece detailing the alleged crimes of a candidate for public office.
The difference between you and the reporter at your local newspaper is that in many cases, you may not have the benefit of training or resources to help you determine whether what you're doing is legal. And on top of that, sometimes knowing the law doesn't help - in many cases it was written for traditional journalists, and the courts haven't yet decided how it applies to bloggers.
But here's the important part: None of this should stop you from blogging. Freedom of speech is the foundation of a functioning democracy, and Internet bullies shouldn't use the law to stifle legitimate free expression. That's why EFF created this guide, compiling a number of FAQs designed to help you understand your rights and, if necessary, defend your freedom.
To be clear, this guide isn't a substitute for, nor does it constitute, legal advice. Only an attorney who knows the details of your particular situation can provide the kind of advice you need if you're being threatened with a lawsuit. The goal here is to give you a basic roadmap to the legal issues you may confront as a blogger, to let you know you have rights, and to encourage you to blog freely with the knowledge that your legitimate speech is protected.
Please note that this guide applies to people living in the US. We don't have the expertise or resources to speak to other countries' legal traditions, but we'd like to work with those who do. If you know of a similar guide for your own jurisdiction or feel inspired to research and write one, please let us know. We can link to it here.
Table of Contents
or, see an index of all the questions » http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/questions.php
Blogger Legal Liability Issues
The Overview of Legal Liability Issues FAQ briefly addresses some common legal issues that affect you as a publisher, especially situations where you may face legal claims or threats based on the information you published on your blog.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Intellectual Property addresses issues that arise when you publish material created by others on your blog.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Online Defamation Law provides an overview of defamation (libel) law, including a discussion of the constitutional and statutory privileges that may protect you.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Section 230 Protections discusses a powerful federal law that gives you, as a web host, protection against legal claims arising from hosting information written by third parties.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Privacy addresses the legal issues surrounding the privacy rights of people you blog about.
Bloggers As Journalists
The Bloggers' FAQ on the Reporter's Privilege is useful to bloggers who report news gathered from confidential sources.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Media Access can help bloggers who need to get access to public records and government meetings, as well as secure press passes to help with newsgathering.
The Bloggers' FAQ on the Freedom of Information Act can help bloggers use open government laws to get information from the government.
Other Legal Issues for Bloggers
The Student Bloggers' Legal FAQ addresses legal issues arising from student blogging. It focuses on blogging by high school (and middle school) students, but also contains information for college students.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Election Law addresses the legal issues you may face blogging about political campaigns.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Labor Law addresses legal issues with workplace blogging, including union organizing, protections for political blogging away from the workplace, and whistle blowing.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Adult Material addresses the legal issues arising from publishing risque adult-oriented content, including obscenity law, community standards on the Internet, and the new 2257 regulations.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThis is information every blogger should read and know. It may keep your rights from being violated if you know the contained information at the supplied link.
I encourage everyone to visit this site also. They are fighting for yours and my rights to blog.
They deserve our support for keeping Bush and his cronies from "doing away with" blogging altogether.
http://www.eff.org/
EFF: Legal Guide for Bloggers
Updated April 20, 2006
Whether you're a newly minted blogger or a relative old-timer, you've been seeing more and more stories pop up every day about bloggers getting in trouble for what they post.
Like all journalists and publishers, bloggers sometimes publish information that other people don't want published. You might, for example, publish something that someone considers defamatory, republish an AP news story that's under copyright, or write a lengthy piece detailing the alleged crimes of a candidate for public office.
The difference between you and the reporter at your local newspaper is that in many cases, you may not have the benefit of training or resources to help you determine whether what you're doing is legal. And on top of that, sometimes knowing the law doesn't help - in many cases it was written for traditional journalists, and the courts haven't yet decided how it applies to bloggers.
But here's the important part: None of this should stop you from blogging. Freedom of speech is the foundation of a functioning democracy, and Internet bullies shouldn't use the law to stifle legitimate free expression. That's why EFF created this guide, compiling a number of FAQs designed to help you understand your rights and, if necessary, defend your freedom.
To be clear, this guide isn't a substitute for, nor does it constitute, legal advice. Only an attorney who knows the details of your particular situation can provide the kind of advice you need if you're being threatened with a lawsuit. The goal here is to give you a basic roadmap to the legal issues you may confront as a blogger, to let you know you have rights, and to encourage you to blog freely with the knowledge that your legitimate speech is protected.
Please note that this guide applies to people living in the US. We don't have the expertise or resources to speak to other countries' legal traditions, but we'd like to work with those who do. If you know of a similar guide for your own jurisdiction or feel inspired to research and write one, please let us know. We can link to it here.
Table of Contents
or, see an index of all the questions » http://www.eff.org/bloggers/lg/questions.php
Blogger Legal Liability Issues
The Overview of Legal Liability Issues FAQ briefly addresses some common legal issues that affect you as a publisher, especially situations where you may face legal claims or threats based on the information you published on your blog.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Intellectual Property addresses issues that arise when you publish material created by others on your blog.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Online Defamation Law provides an overview of defamation (libel) law, including a discussion of the constitutional and statutory privileges that may protect you.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Section 230 Protections discusses a powerful federal law that gives you, as a web host, protection against legal claims arising from hosting information written by third parties.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Privacy addresses the legal issues surrounding the privacy rights of people you blog about.
Bloggers As Journalists
The Bloggers' FAQ on the Reporter's Privilege is useful to bloggers who report news gathered from confidential sources.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Media Access can help bloggers who need to get access to public records and government meetings, as well as secure press passes to help with newsgathering.
The Bloggers' FAQ on the Freedom of Information Act can help bloggers use open government laws to get information from the government.
Other Legal Issues for Bloggers
The Student Bloggers' Legal FAQ addresses legal issues arising from student blogging. It focuses on blogging by high school (and middle school) students, but also contains information for college students.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Election Law addresses the legal issues you may face blogging about political campaigns.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Labor Law addresses legal issues with workplace blogging, including union organizing, protections for political blogging away from the workplace, and whistle blowing.
The Bloggers' FAQ on Adult Material addresses the legal issues arising from publishing risque adult-oriented content, including obscenity law, community standards on the Internet, and the new 2257 regulations.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:38 pmDavid Gregory & Richard Wolffe, I don't expect you to be polite -- I expect you to do your job. Ask the f*cking questions, get the answer (even if you have to ask more than once), do your report, and then I'll decide for myself.
Just do your f*cking job.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:39 pmThese slick bastards are far worse then they seem, and the seem bad enough.
Comment by s #71
s,
I was always taught that it's those closest to you...
...who pose the greatest possible threat...
...because you trust them...
February 20th, 2007 at 10:40 pmCan you imagine Woodward and Bernstein whining like this in the glory days of the 1970s when the press actually bothered investigating stories, real stories?
February 20th, 2007 at 10:41 pmRe: #79
Comment by rachel rj kinnardi — February 20, 2007 @ 10:38
This is an attempt at the "chilling effect" I don't know who rachel rj kinnardi is...but I don't trust her/him/ it.
To hell with your "legal" CRAP kinnardi. Put it where the sun don't shine.
People, just speak your minds and ignore the swill of post 79. I swear it's the government....:) and if not, it might as well be.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:43 pmNewsweek’s White House correspondent Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information.
****Poster # 2 hit it out the park.And they,wolffe and Co have failed.No challenging questions from the main stream media to the WH.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:46 pmPerhaps the person who comes close to challenging the WH is Victoria Jones apart from Helen Thomas.I think of talk radio news.Can be heard on Thom Hartman's radio show.
right big papa. I agree.....come to think of it though, our present government is very close to us indeed, especially due to the fact that the spy the shit out of us every day. They are a grave threat indeed. And wonder what your take on all the legalize and "blogger rules" that rachel has provided us with. I smell a huge rat there....BIG TIME
February 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pm#80 Zooey
I know it is frustrating, but they are doing their job the best they can, as I came to conclude in post #72 ... I know it seems self serving for them, but they are doing what they can. If they started asking the questions we think they should ask, then they wouldn't even be able to get the few answers they do get, the few stories and insider information they do get, they would be ignored and someone else, maybe more of an administration parrot, would have the access that they now enjoy.
I hate saying this, but even from the little Gregory and Wolfe have been able to do, they deserve some credit. Dealing with this administration must be like talking to a wall. And it must be frustrating that they want to do the right thing, which we advocate, but cannot and then get criticized for it.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pmComment by Lev #82
Yeah Lev,
...Nixon would STILL be president...
February 20th, 2007 at 10:47 pmNBC News’ David Gregory bemoaned how political coverage has “become so polarized in this country...Newsweek’s White House correspondent Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information. … It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender.â€
David and Richard, the problem is that this administration has been so aggressive at lying and covering up. There has never been such a secretive presidency in this country. There has never been a presidency that so adamantly refused to be held accountable. If it hadn't been for a few reporters getting a little bit aggressive with the White House themselves in asking questions, and if it hadn't been for the Democratic party having won big in the '06 election, our Constitution would continue to be trampled upon until it completely disappears.
There are a hell of a lot of stories that had been in the blogosphere for weeks or even months before the mainstream media thought it was worthwhile to report on them. The Downing Street Memos, for one. The story that Greg Palast did on the 2000 election and the purging of tens of thousands of felons, who weren't really felons, from the Florida voter rolls was a story that was widely published in the foreign press and was shunned here. What purpose does it serve, when you have an administration that is so bold in its lying and lawbreaking, to treat it with kid gloves and to shrug off follow-up questions because they might make the White House uncomfortable?
All you need to do is look at how the news media covered the Clinton White House and compare that with the way they cover this one. Clinton did not get reporters to stop asking questions he didn't like by being arrogant and indignant, snapping at reporters and making faces. But, that's all it usually takes for Bush to get reporters to back off.
Bottom line, David and Richard, is that the White House has made you choose between gaining access and telling the whole story. What good does it do to have access if you're not reporting what people need to know about their government when they need to know it? Maybe you guys in the White House briefing room should draw straws each day and have one of you be the designated pit bull. If everyone does it at least once, they can't shut all of you out.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThis is information every blogger should read and know. It may keep your rights from being violated if you know the contained information at the supplied link.
I encourage everyone to visit this site also. They are fighting for yours and my rights to blog.
They deserve our support for keeping Bush and his cronies from “doing away with†blogging altogether.
http://www.eff.org/
It may keep your rights from being violated if you know the contained information at the supplied link.
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And I don't know who or what the hell you are either and I could give a fu*ck less. Capiche?
Read this:
"It may keep your rights from being violated if you know the contained information at the supplied link."
So, fu*ck you too.
Pleased to make your abrasive acquaintence.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:56 pmPuhlease... whitewashing the Clinton's scandal-ridden administration is not going to work. Every where there was a new scandal... from the White House Travel Office phoney charges, to the hundreds of FBI records, to Hillary's secretitive socialism hearings, to the campaign money scandals of 96, Chinese spying, faking being in mourning at Ron Brown's funeral, being a sex predator, being a perjurer, being a liar, being impeached.
I can't think of any systemic corruption in this White House. Dont start with your Bush lied to get in Iraq BS because faulty analysis of intellegence is not lying. This has been a remarkably clean administration and that's such a relief over the circus the Clintons made it. May that swine never set foot in that building again.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:57 pmI most certainly do not look at the current crop of (so called) journalists as corrupt, but I do most certainly think they have been inept many times...perhaps that should read MOST times. There have been many journalists that have stood on their own and been able to tell truth to power such as our most recent example, Dana Preist. she not only won the Pulitzer for the rendition issue, but she has singlehandedly informed the nation that the current administration has been even less "ept" than we ever imagined.
We NEED good journalists, the problem here is more of an issue of a FREE PRESS. Most corporations that own our media outlets are predisposed to a Republican view of things than the left...so what do we expect?
The issue (I think) we need to address is monopolies and corporate ownership of the news outlets. These SHOULD be left alone, but knowing power and how it needs to control, even these outlets are very suspectable to monitoring.
I say let's make all elections pubically financed and get a new group in control of the govenrnment to make certain that the masses have a bit more of a say .
Perhaps I am still overyly naive...I wouldn't argue with that, but I would like to think that if we got together and argued more with the powers that be, that perhaps we MIGHT have a different outcome.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:59 pmAnd it must be frustrating that they want to do the right thing, which we advocate, but cannot and then get criticized for it.
Comment by AshenShard
I understand what you're saying, AshenShard. I just get SO frustrated! Gregory and Wolffe are two that I have respect for, and to hear them talking like that just pisses me off.
I wish they'd all get together and pick one to ask the tough questions each day. When that one is no longer called on, the next one steps up, and so on. Then when the entire WH press corps has no access they can go public saying exactly what is going on.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:59 pmI smell a huge rat there….BIG TIME
Comment by s #85
Remember s,
..."the demon" is a liar...
...FEAR is a right wing cottage industry...
...but be wise with your words all the same...
February 20th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThe only credible threat to Free Speech in this country comes from the left.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThe truth would be nice for a change. Snowjob can't even lie right. He's all over the map with his lies for the boss. We now how the White House used the media and Journalist to spread lies. That lead to thousands of soldiers being killed and more each day. Judy Miller printed the lies and still says who cares. All this talk about national security yet Judy has a clearance for classified information while Bush says he'll sue the paper if they tell the truth about torturing prisoners. Journalist need to know who they work for and what oath they took in their careers. Yes Snowjob is paid to lie he's not doing a good job. We know the names of the lying Journalist so the Internet is our only truth.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:01 pm89-
S,
89 is for you.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:03 pmThis is so embarassing. The function of journalism in our society is political, by it's very definition. It's not just "asking questions and getting information," because that would have no point in and of itself. If the government could be trusted to give us all the information we need, we wouldn't need a press at all. The government could simply control the media and tell us what we need to know. The relationship between press and the government is supposed to be adversarial.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:03 pm#94-
That makes absolutely no sense. Please rephrase, this time more coherently.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAnd 91 is for S
February 20th, 2007 at 11:05 pmThe only credible threat to Free Speech in this country comes from the left.
Comment by Vince P
Blah, blah, blah, Muslims!, blah, blah, blah, I'm scared!, blah, blah
February 20th, 2007 at 11:06 pm#92 Zooey
I think this is just something they said rather than truly believe. They have to show they are playing the administrations game, otherwise they are locked out with nothing.
I'm actually surprised Wolffe still has access since he is on Countdown almost nightly. His job security must be positioned on the edge of a knife. Then again, he may be saved by the fact that much of the top ranks of the administration watch nothing but Faux News.
We would all like them to be the hero, the whistle blower, but they cannot be that unless they have something concrete, and they have absolutely no chance of getting something concrete unless they have access.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:07 pmLeftists promote the chilling of speech.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:08 pm#96....wondered when you'd get that straight. You better pay better attention Rachel Marlarki.......oh, and bite it while you're at it ......:)
February 20th, 2007 at 11:11 pmRe: 102 Leftists promote the chilling of speech.
Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Keep tryin there old Vince. Nobody is paying attention so you had to say the same line again eh? Maybe it's cause of the ridiculous factor? Maybe you could lengthen the sentence and repeat it again. ???? :)
February 20th, 2007 at 11:14 pmRichard Wolffe is Tony Snow's bitch.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:15 pmWho are the groups of people that institute speech codes at universities... throw pies at speakers, take all the newspapers from paper bins, shout down or physically intimidate public speakers?
The Left, The Left, The Left, The Left , The Left
February 20th, 2007 at 11:18 pmCry some more Vincy. Why are you such a pussy?
February 20th, 2007 at 11:20 pmWe Liberal/Progressives need a strategy...
...on how to get our posts on right wing sites...
...I just can't bring myself to PLAY the roll of...
...TROLL...
February 20th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWe would all like them to be the hero, the whistle blower, but they cannot be that unless they have something concrete, and they have absolutely no chance of getting something concrete unless they have access.
Comment by AshenShard
MADDENING!
February 20th, 2007 at 11:22 pmThat's Rich coming from Snow, considering he used to be a poster at FreeRepublic. Lying hypocrite....no wonder he's in charge of PR for this administration.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:23 pmTony Snow, White House Press Secretary:
“You’ve got this wonderful, imaginative hateful stuff that comes flying out."
I think Tony is paying progressives a compliment! "Wonderful, imaginative...yep, that sounds like a compliment to me. "Hateful" does not sound inaccurate - I've yet to read on this blog a progressive say, "I disagree with this President's policies but I respect his opinion. He is defending the country the best way he knows." Yes, there's definite h-a-t-e in the left-wing blogsphere.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:23 pmThe Left, The Left, The Left, The Left , The Left
Comment by Vince P
Who are the ones wiretapping us...dismantling habeas corpus...taking us into a war for oil....treating our veterans like shit?
Oh yeah -- The Right.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:24 pmVince P, you have not been watching the right wing's behavior over the last six years, OR you are dishonest, OR you are one blind dude. Or maybe you just need help.
You did write a few more sentences though, good for you
February 20th, 2007 at 11:25 pm#107 - You can go to Seixon's site - he doesn't filter left-wing stupidity.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:25 pm“I disagree with this President’s policies but I respect his opinion. He is defending the country the best way he knows.â€
Oh my god, you are such a moron.
Yes, there’s definite h-a-t-e in the left-wing blogsphere.
Comment by valiant venus
Then leave. Don't let us bother your beautiful mind any further.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:27 pmYou are misery personified.
Dear Vince - Of course when the lunatic Left intimidates' and assaults speakers, muzzles free speech, etc. they can plead temporary insanity as liberalism is a mental disease.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pm#110 valiant venus
I’ve yet to read on this blog a progressive say, “I disagree with this President’s policies but I respect his opinion. He is defending the country the best way he knows.â€
Why would anyone here say that? That would be silly. He's not defending the country, his motives for everything are purely political.
I respect his opinion about as much as he respects the opinions of the majority of the people in this country. Not a whole lot.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:30 pmvaliant venus. No decent progressive with ANY intelligence will ever say that respect this president's opinion. Why? We don't respect his opinion! Get it? His time was up a long time ago. He is a drunk, a liar, stupid, and incompetent. And he could care less about anyone that doesn't directly impact his personal well being or the well being of those who feed him. Why would any person with any brains respect his opinion? He has also run this country into the ground, lost a war that he lied us into, and and and and......you have all night? He's responsible for many many unnecessary deaths ............think about that.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:30 pmYou can go to Seixon’s site - he doesn’t filter left-wing stupidity.
Comment by valiant venus #113
I'm afraid of cyber viruses...
February 20th, 2007 at 11:31 pm#108 Zooey
I know ... requires a lot of patience towards the press corp ... meanwhile, I've found scotch numbs away any of the frustration from this.
The administration is extremely effective at stonewalling ... likely the only thing they are good at when it comes to 'running' the country.
While I have stated how difficult it is for these reporters to do anything, I hope I haven't come across as advocating that the blogosphere should not complain about it. For I think such should continue so they are reminded what they are there for, but rather than just being completely critical of them, we should also show support for what they have been able to accomplish so far and that we expect them to accomplish more because we know they are capable of it.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:31 pm#107 - You can go to Seixon’s site - he doesn’t filter left-wing stupidity. Comment by valiant venus — February 20, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Yes, please go there - and stay where you belong. In a blog populated by CONs as stupid and divorced from reality as you are.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:32 pm#101 Vince P.
Leftists promote the chilling of speech.
And yet, we let you blather on.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:32 pm#113 Ok, Seixon, I will pass. I don't think I want to give you a hit.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:32 pmUm, what happens if the "information" provided in response to the "questions" are LIES?
Then what, media whores?
Then what?
February 20th, 2007 at 11:32 pmDear Vince - Of course when the lunatic Left intimidates’ and assaults speakers, muzzles free speech, etc. they can plead temporary insanity as liberalism is a mental disease. Comment by valiant venus — February 20, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Really? Is that why religious extremism is a symptom of several mental illnesses? You have the opinion of your fellow crackpots that say liberalism is a mental illness. We have the entire profession that treats mental illnesses that say wack jobs like you and vince are insane. I'll trust my sources, you trust yours Mizz Anorexia.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:34 pmThey are out of touch. That's very sad.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:34 pmAnd yet, we let you blather on.
Comment by chimpeach — February 20, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
The Anorexic 23 year old bimbo thinks hate speech is free speech. This wouldn't be nearly so funny, if virtually every right wing blog weren't ground zero for censorship of posts!
February 20th, 2007 at 11:35 pmLeftists promote the chilling of speech.
Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Leftists promote the chilling of hate speech, racism and bigotry. Right wingers like you call your opponents terrorists that should be killed. I'll stick with the leftist you extremist wacko.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:36 pmthere is no reason to respect this president or his policies ... he is an imbecile.... C student in college, drunk frat boy, cheerleader, failed businessman ... this man was a freaking failure before 2000, and he was till able to win election ... the only reason he gets anywhere in life is because his daddy has money and connections. If he had been born into the family of an average American, he wouldn't be president, he would be a homeless drunk sleeping in the gutter.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:36 pm#126 This post makes no sense.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:37 pmAnd what are you talking about "23 year old bimbos?" Are you being sexist here? Are you referring to this person being a woman? Too young? Hmmm. Your comments are ridiculous
>Who are the ones wiretapping us…
Are you talking to a Jihadi overseas? Interesting
>dismantling habeas corpus
Were you detained in battle on the side of the Jihad? Interesting
>…taking us into a war for oil
Are you still stuck in 1968? Interesting
>….treating our veterans like shit?
Are you still looking in the mirror?
BTW:
None of those had to do with Freedom of Speech. Way to go. Avoid the argument try #46249690246790468.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:38 pms: your many examples were so enlightening.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:38 pmHey Tony,
February 20th, 2007 at 11:39 pmPlease stop mumbling- if ya took W's cock out of your mouth, we could understand you. Is that nasty enough to qualify?
*
whoa... i missed all these comments...
just wanted to note that PBS is running a 4 part series about the PRESS and this administration... part 2 was tonight...
very, very interesting... i'd guess you can watch it online also...
i'd say it's a must see...
but i heard one of the newspaper editors (and thom hartmann) explain that "the founders" knew what they were doing by stipulating a FREE PRESS in the CONSTITUTION... that FOURTH RAIL... to keep the government in check...
that's what it's all about...
February 20th, 2007 at 11:40 pmBeing a Regressive means everlasting fidelity to Karl Marx. They would never say a thing in defense of the United States. Hell they're practically dhimmis now, watch them contort themselves to see who can get their tongue up Mohemmeds ass the furthest.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmI’ve found scotch numbs away any of the frustration from this.
Comment by AshenShard
Heh. Having come from a long line of drunks, I think I'll just continue to bang my head on my desk. Much safer....
The blogs just need to keep on keeping on, and the WH press corps can continue tip toeing around so they keep their access.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pm#47 - "The basic question is why the current administration is out of touch with the entire human race. Can anyone deliver an answer?"
Comment by WaltTheMan
Of course, your gross generalization of the "entire human race" is wholly inaccurate. Supposing you are discussing Euro socialists and other progressives citizens, the majority of whom disagree with the Bush administration, here is the answer. Most people want something for nothing. They fall for lure of cie la vie and la vie en rose. Seeing how the majority of Europe has turned into a quivering bowl of jell-o, one might wonder if the sacrifice of our grandfathers in WWII was worth it - considering the diplomatic hoops they jumped through to placate and finally capitulate to Adolph Hitler. But knowing some Euros appreciated the sacrifice, the effort was worth it.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pmI think Tony is paying progressives a compliment! “Wonderful, imaginative…yep, that sounds like a compliment to me. “Hateful†does not sound inaccurate - I’ve yet to read on this blog a progressive say, “I disagree with this President’s policies but I respect his opinion. Comment by valiant venus — February 20, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
We respect his right to have an opinion, we don't respect his opinion. But as is typical of you and the rest of your right wing hatefest, you don't respect the opinion of liberals - you attempt to belittle it. Foolish little twiggy.
He is defending the country the best way he knows.†Yes, there’s definite h-a-t-e in the left-wing blogsphere. Comment by valiant venus — February 20, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Well you and Vince do post here, so technically when you're around there's always hate in the left wing blogosphere.
You CONs always post the truth about yourself in the most unsuspecting ways (well you don't expect to tell the truth).
Do us a favor, and eat something twiggy. You make Ann Coulter look like a fat chick in your myspace page. You look like a seriously deranged self loather with a crappy body image. Then again, with a brain like yours, how could your body ever be appealing?
February 20th, 2007 at 11:41 pm#133 - Another reason to pull the plug on PBS. But by all means keep sending those pledges for the $150.- license plate frames. And if their programming is so great, let them utilize advertisers. Boy, I do miss Bill Moyer!
February 20th, 2007 at 11:43 pmoh, and this is an interesting thread for the insufferable trolls to show up...
February 20th, 2007 at 11:44 pmAre you talking to a Jihadi overseas? Interesting Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Are you avoiding the entirely domestic program?
Were you detained in battle on the side of the Jihad? Interesting Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Prove they were taking on the battlefield. Oh wait, without Habeas, there's no way to know that is there?
Are you still stuck in 1968? Interesting Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Says the dipshit stuck in 1200.
Are you still looking in the mirror? Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Why are you standing behind us?
None of those had to do with Freedom of Speech. Way to go. Avoid the argument try #46249690246790468. Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Neither did your claim - idiot.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:44 pmNone of those had to do with Freedom of Speech. Way to go. Avoid the argument try #46249690246790468.
Comment by Vince P
You're so clever, for a piss-soaked troll. Interesting.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:44 pmVince, examples would not get through to you because it is evident you are not interested in the facts or the truth. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you in any depth. Sorry
But thanks!
February 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pms: your many examples were so enlightening.
Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
Yet you remain incapable of being enlightened - ironic isn't it?
February 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Jason, I'm surprised your mom lets you stay up so late - don't forget to brush your teeth.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:45 pmThe only credible threat to Free Speech in this country comes from the left. Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Prove this.
Lets compare this with CONs that control nearly 100% of the media output through 7 corporations and 2 major news feed outlets that those 7 basically reprint.
You're a fool.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:47 pm'Hey Tony,
Please stop mumbling- if ya took W’s cock out of your mouth,'
Yep, Jason that sure reads like respect for Tony having an opinion. I see what you mean about not agreeing with the opinion - that came through loud and clear. Hypocrites.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:48 pmJason, I’m surprised your mom lets you stay up so late - don’t forget to brush your teeth. Comment by valiant venus — February 20, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
I'm surprised yours didn't put you in therapy, instead of letting you out of the house as an Anorexic raving lunatic. Being raised by wolves has it's conveniences when you want to be an Ann Coulter cloned raving biyatch lunatic doesn't it Aphrodite?
While we're on brushing teeth, you need it more than I do, with all of the purging. I hear it's murder on the teeth, maybe that's why your teeth in your online pictures look like dentures.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:49 pm>Prove they were taking on the battlefield. Oh wait, without Habeas, there’s no way to know that is there?
It's war. I dont give a f*ck. If they got picked up , too bad for them.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:50 pmIt isn't worth trying to debate anything with Vince ... he thinks that the examples he gives are absolute truths, and dismisses the examples everyone opposing him as off topic or not worth his consideration ... he has absolutely no ability to think objectively or critically or to accept the fallacy of his arguments.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:51 pmYep, Jason that sure reads like respect for Tony having an opinion. I see what you mean about not agreeing with the opinion - that came through loud and clear. Hypocrites. Comment by valiant venus — February 20, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Yep, you're definitely a Hypocrite. Thanks for admitting that you don't respect the opinions of others, and that you're the source of the hate Mighty Aphrodite.
Go eat something twiggy, the Anorexia is making you as stupid as you are crazy.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:51 pmSo Vince, if the liberals are trying to curb free speech, why is it the GOP is the organization that requires a loyalty oath in order to attend a public forum?
Fool.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pm#144
Not to mention the fact that republican events are screened, and if they see one person with an anti-war shirt on, they have to send their thugs to drag them out and make a scene rather than just letting them be.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pmIt’s war. I dont give a f*ck. If they got picked up , too bad for them.
Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
And that's what makes you a NAZI.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:52 pmLOL they do not like the blogs, because bloggers tell the truth and corporate press whores tell lies. Tony Snow and his pals can go straight to Hell.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI love how Valiant nutcase sits there and just writes post after post after post of just the nastiest attacks ... how much negativity is in you girl? Its not heathy. Lighten up francis. it's not that bad.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:54 pmAshen: you guys never stand a chance and you are completely unable to not be pricks.
None of you exhibit any positive or pleasant personality traits. Just a bunch of sniping vipers.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI love how Valiant nutcase sits there and just writes post after post after post of just the nastiest attacks … Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Says the nutcase that writes post after post of the nastiest attacks.
how much negativity is in you girl? Its not heathy. Lighten up francis. it’s not that bad. Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Ironic coming from you isn't it? That's a great question girl, why so much negativity? Your posts are nothing but unhealthy, doom and gloom attacks - and that's what you see in others? And you believe others are the one saying it's bad?
BWAHAHAHA, you're a real piece of work, jersey catamite.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pmAshen: you guys never stand a chance and you are completely unable to not be pricks. Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Really? That's how everyone feels about you, catamite.
None of you exhibit any positive or pleasant personality traits. Just a bunch of sniping vipers. Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
BWAHAHAHA, That's hilarious, catamite.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pm#117 - "No decent progressive with ANY intelligence will ever say that respect this president’s opinion. "
Dear s - So you are inflexible. Please tell us who Bill Clinton cared about - except Bill Clinton. I didn't vote for him but SUPPORTED him in the Bosnian campaign. I was disappointed he raised taxes on seniors and the middle class - but I was NOT surprised. He was lucky the dot com explosion took place in his administration and he wassn't in office during the fallout.
Let's use your description of GWB as a comparison:
"He is a drunk, Bill Clinton didn't get a nose like that as a tea-totaller.
a liar, , The Truth is an unknown language to Mr. Bill.
stupid,, I think Bill Clinton is intelligent, but timid. That does not translate into brilliant
and incompetent. Two people: JANET RENO, OSAMA BIN LADEN.
And your point was pathetically, not new or particularly imaginative.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:01 amVince P is selling the government talking point. Frame the blogs as hateful That is all he/she/it is doing. Ignore it. And we are angry. We have a right to be angry. If the NeoCons want to call it hateful........SO? That's their choice. Saying we're hateful is not going to stop people from being legitimately angry and upset with the state of our country and it's horrid leaders.
I'm sort of suprise that the Cons think that calling us hateful really could have any effect at all on our expression.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:02 amBerating the blogs is akin to chastizing a spouse for crying when struck.
I and other bloggers refuse to be your wipping post and quite.
F*CK YOU SNOW, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
February 21st, 2007 at 12:05 amStenographer is not in the "original" job description.
What a sad group of posers. Their job is to ask tough questions? Actions speak louder than words. They ask wimpy questions with NO FOLLOW UP, No challenge.
Really pathetic as I have at times enjoyed Wolfe on Countdown but he and all others have been in the beltway too long the belt is too tight around their neck.
Cowards, one and all
February 21st, 2007 at 12:06 amLook how s distorts me to make his silly point.
I didn't say blogs were hateful. I said this one was.
S: learn how to read and not reduce yourself to deceit in order to make your point.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:06 am#117 - “No decent progressive with ANY intelligence will ever say that respect this president’s opinion. †Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
It never dawns on you Regressive NAZIS that this is more of a statement of how bad his opinions are. Then again, your opinions aren't any better.
Dear s - So you are inflexible. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Says the Anorexic girl caught in a 1930s battle with Communism.
Please tell us who Bill Clinton cared about - except Bill Clinton. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Oh, PUHLEASE, what a stupid comment. He cared more about this country, and its peoples than you or bush ever will.
I didn’t vote for him but SUPPORTED him in the Bosnian campaign. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
And most democrats supported Bush when he went after Bin Laden. Or do you forget that his approval rating was about 90%?
Unfortunately he's as incompetent as president, as you are at eating and political commentary.
I was disappointed he raised taxes on seniors and the middle class - but I was NOT surprised. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Yeah, I'm sure you were disappointed at the largest economic expansion in our history, and a balanced budget. That's way to responsible for you no taxes at any cost to destroy the country.
He was lucky the dot com explosion took place in his administration and he wassn’t in office during the fallout. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Lucky? Yeah, he had nothing to do with that. You're a real dim bulb little girl.
Let’s use your description of GWB as a comparison:
“He is a drunk, Bill Clinton didn’t get a nose like that as a tea-totaller. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
You forgot coked out.
a liar, , The Truth is an unknown language to Mr. Bill. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
The only lie we've ever seen about Bill was around Sex - I'll take Bill over you or Bushwhacked any day.
stupid,, I think Bill Clinton is intelligent, but timid. That does not translate into brilliant Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Yeah, Rhodes scholars are just intelligent people. Bill timid? Now that's funny!
and incompetent. Two people: JANET RENO, OSAMA BIN LADEN. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
Two people for Bush: Harriet and Osama that's still not caught.
And your point was pathetically, not new or particularly imaginative. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:01 am
And you think yours was new or imaginative?
We can add stupid to your list of posting skills.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:11 am#157 valiant venus
what is the point of bringing up Clinton? Bush is president now, and he is incompetent.
By the way, it was Kosovo, no Bosnia. And why the hell were we involved with that? wasn't that something that should have been left to the Europeans to manage? That was some scary stuff, I was in high school at that point, and went on a trip which included some time in Austria, which, from a mountain in Vienna, you can see Kosovo. Not to mention the uproar in the country over the fighting.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:11 am#157 Take a look at our country under Clinton. Take a look at our country under frat boy. ? :)
GW Bush is not in the same universe as Clinton. He is a TOTAL failure. But you wouldn't understand......:)
Anyone who supports this president at this point in time is mentally and morally deficient. Period.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:12 amVince P, do you support a draft?
February 21st, 2007 at 12:12 amI didn’t say blogs were hateful. I said this one was.
S: learn how to read and not reduce yourself to deceit in order to make your point.
Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 12:06 am
When you're used to posting on stormfront, gaypatriot and the rest of your right wingnut sites that all agree with your brand of hate, it must be terribly frightening for someone with your low self esteem to face direct criticism for your hatred, bigotry, sexism and stupidity.
I can see how you could feel hated, spreading so much hate as you have - only to be criticized for it.
You know David Duke thinks jews are hateful to him as well. Now you can understand how he feels, but we already knew how you felt Vince.
You whine about it constantly, catamite.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amThey are doing nuthin except saying THEY are the journalists, and the blogs are nothing except the READERS of our Journalism...which happens to be the acquisition of information through questioning. But if you don't like the information because it does not mesh with the past information, then what. Is not the Journalist supposed to also not see that incongruity? Are you blind? It is like the journalist is just aoging to allow the speaker to say that God created the earth 3000 years ago and that is that. In their minds, they feel that they need to bring this piece of information that so and so says the earth was made 3000 years ago, and the underlying ridiculousness of the statement is NOT for them to counter or for that matter even perceive. They are above the fray and are only scribes, which explains everything.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amThank you for showing us all you are worthy of nothing. Might as well have a damn tape recorder there.
Vince.the topic of this post:
Tony Snow and White House Reporters Slam The ‘Hateful,’ ‘Polarized’ Blogosphere
Get back on topic boy----I know it's hard to keep it all straight
February 21st, 2007 at 12:15 amThey made a general statment.. what more can be said about it? Are some blogs hateful? Yes.
Now what? A portion of reality has been described...
What now? Rant like a lunatic all night becaue you were found out?
February 21st, 2007 at 12:17 amSee, Vince feeds off of attacking people on this blog. And I mean FEEDS off of it. Cons like Vince have no life other than to attack others. We on the left are legitimately angry at what the Cons have done to this country. It's a different energy. Vince's energy is a sucking whining, holier than thou cowardly ooze. The progressive energy is white hot and not going to take injustice anymore. We've had it. That's to you Vince and friends. We're done with your manipulative, irrational, ass covering, truthiness. And we are in the process of taking our country back. If that sounds too "hateful" or "angry" to you Vince and the trolls like you, you ain't seen nothin yet.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:20 am"Take a look at our country under Clinton. Take a look at our country under frat boy. ? "
The boy-genius inherited an economy on the uptick. He was lucky enough to have a Republican Congress elected in '94 to force, I mean, help him implement welfare reform and save him from his wife's idea of health care reform.
And to my favorite resident vulgarian, Jason, I could care less if Bill lied about sex with donkeys. His lie about NOT raising taxes on the middle class and elderly was BAD enough.
Back on topic: Tony snow was complimentary of the Left - and you were too stupid to read it.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:26 am#77
Re: "Why revisit the debate over Afghanistan? Simply because in the muddle that is now Iraq it’s easy to forget how much of the liberal left also opposed this earlier campaign against an enemy so starkly the antithesis of everything they stand for. Even more the antithesis, you could argue, than the Butcher of Baghdad with his half-baked secularism and pseudo-Soviet nationalism. And so, this opposition illustrates how counterintuitive leftist politics has become..."
With all due respect, this is complete bullsh#t.
There will always be a "no war, ever" crowd.
To say , however, that this represents "much" of the left or progressive ranks is not true.
I am a hardcore progressive and I supported the Afghanistan mission. But not Iraq. Not for a moment. Some others who also consider themselves hardcore progressives may have opposed both missions.
As a progressive, I will listen to their points. With an open mind. And as a progressive, I would expect them to listen to my points. With an open mind.
Maybe they will understand my position a little better. Maybe I will see their side a little better.
Then again, maybe not. Maybe we agree to disagree.
And let's be blunt. In the early days of the Iraq War, the Right-Wing was happy to skewer Sean Penn, Janeane Garofalo, Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon
as "soft anti-war lefties."
There was no mention by the same members of the Right that Brent Scowcroft, National Security Advisor to Bush Senior, was opposed to the Iraq invasion.
As the National Security Advisor to Bush Senior - Scowcroft was not a Democrat nor was he a member of the "Left."
His opposition to the 2003 invasion stemmed from his thoughts re: what to do after defeating Saddam in Gulf War 1:
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' ..."A principal reason that the (Senior) Bush Administration gave no thought to unseating Saddam was that Brent Scowcroft gave no thought to it. An American occupation of Iraq would be politically and militarily untenable, Scowcroft told Bush. And though the President had employed the rhetoric of moral necessity to make the case for war, Scowcroft said, he would not let his feelings about good and evil dictate the advice he gave the President.
It would have been no problem for America’s military to reach Baghdad, he said. The problems would have arisen when the Army entered the Iraqi capital. “At the minimum, we’d be an occupier in a hostile land,†he said. “Our forces would be sniped at by guerrillas, and, once we were there, how would we get out? What would be the rationale for leaving? I don’t like the term ‘exit strategy’—but what do you do with Iraq once you own it?†...'
Jeffrey Goldberg - The New Yorker - 10/25/2005
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Scowcroft was right. What he feared in 1991 is happening now. Is he part of the so-called "counter-intuitive" left, too?
There were several other Republicans that opposed the 2003 Iraq invasion - including several high profile generals.
Creating this imaginary massive block of "lefties" who opposed both missions is pure crap. An invention.
And positioning opposition to the 2003 Iraq invasion as a position held only by "lefties" and "progressives" is crap as well. Retired Air Force General Brent Scowcroft was not a "left."
p.s --- How did this good advice escape George H.W. Bush's son, George W. Bush?
Oh, ... George W. IGNORED IT !
Now, isn't THAT Counter-Intuitive ????!!!!
February 21st, 2007 at 12:28 am$102 Leftists promote the chilling of speech.
Comment by Vince P — February 20, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
Vince, are you describing a portion of reality? Are all leftists promoting the chilling? Or just some? Hmmm? If you're talking about all leftists...sounds pretty ranting to me.
Your comment sounds like something a lunatic might say.
I feel sorry for ya Vince. Not entirely though because you and your con friends have caused A LOT of harm on this planet over the last six years. And you will answer for it.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:31 amSnowJOB, you're a scum-sucking sack off (lying) shit.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:34 amCan you go to Hell for being a pathological liar, even if you're not very good at it????
I have a suggestion, s. Let's agree that we won't agree. Your side is so disgusted with this administration and conservatives are so disgusted with free-loading liberals, maybe it's time for libs to take care of themselves and conservatives to take of themselves. You guys can pay 75% tax rates for all the freebies needed to assuage your consciences, you can rehabilitate murderers, rapists and pedophiles, you can let homosexuals marry, and you can abort "fetuses" at anytime, for any reason. You can legalize drugs and prostitution and, to truly separate "church and state" you can forbid the mention of God outside the home.
You can ban gasguzzzling SUV's and plan more "Big Digs" and bicycles to take you anywhere you want to go. Outlawing zoos, freeing laboratory animals, "pet ownership', Big Macs, steaks, and KFC should help more helpless species. You could make it a crime to keep score of anything - we don't want losers to know they are losers. Now the fact that your place might remind one of "Escape from New York" shouldn't bother you - it could be one great big social experiment.
You get the idea. But remember - good fences build good neighbors.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amS: Regressives like you confirm everything our enemies say. When this country gets destroyed , it's because nihilists like you left the door open for them. When you're roasting in hell on the blue tips, remember your contribution.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:40 amThe boy-genius inherited an economy on the uptick. He was lucky enough to have a Republican Congress elected in ‘94 to force, I mean, help him implement welfare reform and save him from his wife’s idea of health care reform. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:26 am
What a stupid claim. If the economy had been on the uptick, bush the senior wouldn't have lost as badly as you wack jobs did in 2006.
And to my favorite resident vulgarian, Jason, I could care less if Bill lied about sex with donkeys. His lie about NOT raising taxes on the middle class and elderly was BAD enough. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:26 am
You mean like Bush Senior did, or like Bush Junior has done with the AMT? And despite all 3 presidents having raised taxes on at least part of the middle class - Clinton was the only one with an exception economy, or anything remotely close to a balanced budget.
I can see why you think I'm Hendler, but I use his links as a joke, dimwad.
Back on topic: Tony snow was complimentary of the Left - and you were too stupid to read it. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:26 am
You driving on topic, is like Bush driving after a line of coke, and fifth of jack. There's no way either one of you could stay on the road, or on topic. You're right, he was complimentary to the left, because we on the left honor free speech enough to permit your hatred to be posted here.
Foolish little Anorexia twiggy.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:44 amS,
Sometimes it is better to not be so abrasive and to avoid taking over the ENTIRE thread to impress your (opinion)?
Sometimes it is better to listen for awhile to what OTHERS here have to say, and then allow a coherent and flowing debate to ensue off of OTHERS ideas instead of just trying to "domineer" a board just beacuse you are good at typing.
In other words you are like an overactive bladder, you never know when to STOP!
Please be respectful to all posters at all times and keep it civil, no matter what the opposition's political or religous stripe.
Try to take on a "southern gentleman or gentle-lady" personna and please be in keeping with "decorum"
This whole thread looks like it is all about...you!
February 21st, 2007 at 12:44 amKiller Whale - There will always be "No war" leftists? Re: Afghanistan - many on the Left were vocally represented by the following
February 21st, 2007 at 12:49 amFrance
International ANSWER
Not in Our Name
Progressive Democrats of America
Socialist Workers Party
Revolutionary Communist Party.
The lack of understanding of the role of the press is the main defect of the press. There are enough valid points in the comments above to keep the
February 21st, 2007 at 12:50 ampress busy for the next year getting up to speed. I believe that the claim
that the blogs are against the press is false, the blolgs are the press. The
complaints of the WhiteHouse reporters are the same as the complaints of loggers or whalers and just as dated. The simple fact of having people that care that the truth is more important than maintaining access to a room where anything but the truth is important qualifies the bloggers as the real press. Mr. Snow, a very bad liar, is nothing more than a idiot in a bad suit.
I have a suggestion, s. Let’s agree that we won’t agree. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
This is the dim witted argument every CON makes when they lose an argument. It's the defense of the loser, so of course we expect it to be your defense Anorexia girl.
Your side is so disgusted with this administration and conservatives are so disgusted with free-loading liberals, maybe it’s time for libs to take care of themselves and conservatives to take of themselves. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Another hypocritical post Aphrodite. You CONs are only disgusted with your stereotype of free loading liberals, yet you'll elect free-loading conservatives as president. Conservatives are too busy looting our country to get rich to take care of their own - twiggy.
You guys can pay 75% tax rates for all the freebies needed to assuage your consciences, you can rehabilitate murderers, rapists and pedophiles, you can let homosexuals marry, and you can abort “fetuses†at anytime, for any reason. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Murderers, Rapists and Pedophiles are your party, twiggy. We're happy to rehabilitate you - but most of you are beyond hope. At least we have Consciences twiggy.
You can legalize drugs and prostitution and, to truly separate “church and state†you can forbid the mention of God outside the home. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Spoken like a NAZI C*nt.
You can ban gasguzzzling SUV’s and plan more “Big Digs†and bicycles to take you anywhere you want to go. Outlawing zoos, freeing laboratory animals, “pet ownership’, Big Macs, steaks, and KFC should help more helpless species. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
There's the "I've got mine" attitude that make you CONs so popular with the world, as you sh*t on everyone getting yours and keeping it.
You could make it a crime to keep score of anything - we don’t want losers to know they are losers. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Not true loser. You guys want to make it a crime to care for or about others - sorry but that makes you the big loser hypocrites, mighty c*nt.
Now the fact that your place might remind one of “Escape from New York†shouldn’t bother you - it could be one great big social experiment. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
You remind us of Ava Gardner, twiggy.
You get the idea. But remember - good fences build good neighbors.Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Good straightjackets, make good patients - you should go put one on.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:51 amMr. Snow is liar in a bad suit.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:52 amS: Regressives like you confirm everything our enemies say. Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Ironic how Islamic Radicals hate the same people you do. A smarter man might get a clue from that.
When this country gets destroyed , it’s because nihilists like you left the door open for them. Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 12:40 am
If this country is destroyed, it will be because nihilists fanatics like you have killed all of us. You're a freak.
When you’re roasting in hell on the blue tips, remember your contribution. Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 12:40 am
Tell me, where did you get the roasting in hell quote from, is it near the 16 virgins quote? Fanatic fool.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:53 am175..ha ha. you my dear, are the nihilist. Everyone is an enemy to you V. You don't have the imagination to try to build a society where neighbor helps neighbor. Too "commy" for you. A world full of terrorists doesn't spring out of the blue you know. But, I forget, you don't think that deeply. It's about short term fixes and save your cowardly ass ....blow em all away. Shoot first and think later. Whoever "they" may be. You sir are of very limited vision.
# 174 ( my answers in CAPS)
I have a suggestion, s. Let’s agree that we won’t agree. ( IF YOU WISH) Your side is so disgusted with this administration ( AND WITH CONSERVATIVES) and conservatives are so disgusted with free-loading liberals, ( LIBERALS WHO WANT GOVERNMENT TO BE "THE PEOPLE" HELPING OTHER PEOPLE ) maybe it’s time for libs to take care of themselves and conservatives to take of themselves. ( ? THAT WAS A STUPID COMMENT.) You guys can pay 75% tax rates for all the freebies needed to assuage your consciences,( YOU DRIVE ON THE ROADS AND USE GOVERNMENT SERVICES UP THE WAZOO EVERY SINGLE DAY....YOU ARE NOT AN ISLAND...THAT IS AN ILLUSION YOU CHOOSE) you can rehabilitate murderers, rapists and pedophiles, you can let homosexuals marry, and you can abort “fetuses†at anytime, for any reason. ( LIBERALS DON'T WISH TO ABORT FETUSES AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON...THAT'S A CON TRICK) You can legalize drugs and prostitution ( NOW YOU'RE REALLY GOING WACKO) and, to truly separate “church and state†you can forbid the mention of God outside the home. (NO, JUST DON'T TELL ME ABOUT MY GOD..........HANDS OFF NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS)
You can ban gasguzzzling SUV’s and plan more “Big Digs†and bicycles to take you anywhere you want to go. ( SOUNDS GOOD) Outlawing zoos, freeing laboratory animals, “pet ownership’, ( HA HA----) Big Macs, steaks, and KFC should help more helpless species. ( YOU THINK IT'S COOL TO SAY "HELPLESS SPECIES" WITH THAT CHENY GRIMMACE DON'T CHA) You could make it a crime to keep score of anything - we don’t want losers to know they are losers. Now the fact that your place might remind one of “Escape from New York†shouldn’t bother you - it could be one great big social experiment. (DEEP YOU ARE NOT:)
You get the idea. But remember - good fences build good neighbors.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:55 amThe Waaah Caucus...
Media members bitch about those blogs actually critiquing the press for not doing their job (asking questions of the powerful). Entrenched conservative Dems bemoan liberal bloggers actually expecting them to follow Democratic values. Of course the Post...
February 21st, 2007 at 12:57 amrachael, at least I'm working hard to express and not just cutting and pasting like your posts! This post isn't about me...or haven't you noticed all the amazing intelligence on this thread of everyone except a few die hard cons like yourself?
February 21st, 2007 at 12:58 amThis is funny:
Video Of The Day: Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign A Petition That Bans Water. (No, Really!)
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/02/video_of_the_day_penn_and_tell.php
February 21st, 2007 at 1:01 amFebruary 21st, 2007 at 1:03 am
I found this gem from 1945 New York Times....some things never change
Loss of Victory in Germany Through U.S. Policy Feared," November 18, 1945
Grave concern was expressed today by informed officials that the United States might soon lose the fruits of victory in Germany through the failure to prepare adequately for carrying out its long-term commitments under the Potsdam Declaration. Government failures were attributed in part to public apathy. The predictions of a coming crisis are predicated upon three points:
1) The failure to start training a civilian corps of administrators to take over when the Army's Military Government pulls out of Germany by June 1.
2) The failure of the Government to set up an expert advisory group, such as that which existed in the Foreign Economic Administration's Enemy Branch to back up the American administrators of Germany with informed advice and provide a focal point in Washington for policy-making on the German question.
3) The failure of the Allies to decide together, or the United States for itself, the crucial economic question raised by the Potsdam Declaration; namely what level of German economic activity is desired over the long term?
February 21st, 2007 at 1:06 amComment #2 caught my first reaction--Mr. Wolffe, what blogs often comment on is just how little information you MCM reporters ever get.
Altho the Libby trial is showing us that some MCMers get some very good information, but choose to ot share it with the news consuming public. What's with that?
Unfortunately, it is amazing how little of the reported "information" is researched, fact-checked, or investigated.
Skepticism serves a politcal reporter well, as well as the public--perhaps not so much for that reporter's career....
February 21st, 2007 at 1:07 am[...] 21st, 2007 · No Comments Just a touch condescending, don’t ya think? Here’s a touch of the transcript of this CSPAN round table with Dick Gregory and Tony Snow: I [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 1:09 amThis is a great post from FiredogLake on the same topic as this thread. TRex---just great. Puts into words in a hillarious way what a lot of us have been saying.
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/02/20/late-nite-fdl-fetch-me-my-ax-continued/
February 21st, 2007 at 1:11 amI found this gem from 1945 New York Times….some things never change Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 1:06 am
What has changed is that this was only weeks/months after the war, as opposed to 4 years afterwards. Democrats were competent, but fools like you couldn't pull your IEDs out of your asses if your lives depended on it - which they do.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:12 am[...] read more | digg story [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 1:16 amVideo Of The Day: Penn And Teller Get Hippies To Sign A Petition That Bans Water. (No, Really!)
http://www.rightwingnews.com/ mt331/ 2007/ 02/ video_of_the_day_penn_and_tell.php
Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Sounds like Conservatives appointing a gay man to lead their homophobic churches. Or appoint a religious fanatic like you, to argue against religious fanaticism. You're such a catamite.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:16 amCan't we all just talk about Anna Nicole Smith all day, every day? There must be SOMETHING about her life that we still haven't seen an expose on...
February 21st, 2007 at 1:23 amVince P, while we're on stupid, turns out one of the Terrorist funder is a GOP donor.
http://wcbstv.com/national/topstories_story_051125044.html
You have lots in common with muslim extremists, don't you Vince?
February 21st, 2007 at 1:29 amCan’t we all just talk about Anna Nicole Smith all day, every day? There must be SOMETHING about her life that we still haven’t seen an expose on…
Comment by jimbo92107
jimbo92107,
Now THAT was funny! LMAO rotfl
Where's the love?
Hahaha........good one jimbo92107
February 21st, 2007 at 1:31 am[...] Just one big happy, incestuous, cosy, clueless family. [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 1:35 ams - here are my answers in CAPS
You don’t have the imagination to try to build a society where neighbor helps neighbor. Too “commy†for you. (YOU ARE SO WRONG. I LOVE NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS. I'M JUST TIRED OF NEIGHBORS WHO EXPECT HELP AND DO UNDO THEIR FOOLISH OR STUPID CHOICES. MAYBE IF THE TERMINALLY STUPID HELPED THEMSELVES , THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. THAT MIGHT BE TOO RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU.)
A world full of terrorists doesn’t spring out of the blue you know. (NOW THA'S DEEP. KORANIMALS SPRING FROM A MINDSET WHICH IS REPULSED BY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND WESTERN CULTURE.) But, I forget, you don’t think that deeply.
It’s about short term fixes and save your cowardly ass ….blow em all away. Shoot first and think later. Whoever “they†may be. You sir are of very limited vision. (TELL YOU WHAT. YOUR "COUNTRY" CAN ABOLISH THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND ESTABLISH THE DEPT. OF PEACE. MY COUNTRY CAN HAVE A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND DIPLOMATS WHO CAN HANDLE FOREIGN AFFAIRS DIPLOMATICALLY UNTIL DIPLOMACY IS EXHAUSTED. YOU CAN APPEASE AND UNDERSTAND THE MISGUIDED AMONG THE MUSLIM FANATICS. I PREFER TO WALK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG STICK - IT'S SOMETHING EVEN KORANIMALS UNDERSTAND. AND PLEASE DON'T ASK FOR US TO COME TO YOUR RESCUE AFTER YOU'VE INSTITUTED SWEEEPING GUN CONTROL. YOU, SIR, ARE TERMINALLY NAIVE. AND THE FUNNY THING, THE RADICAL KORANIMALS HATE YOU AS MUCH AS ME. BUT YOU'LL NEVER CATCH ME IN A BURKA. ON THE OTHER HAND - FOR YOU, IT MIGHT BE A FASHION IMPROVEMENT.)
Sleep tight.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:01 amCNN: Britain sets Iraq pullout date
February 21st, 2007 at 2:12 ams.
Don't listen to rachel; I love your posts-keep it up.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:30 amAnd thanks for telling VVGFU that you thought his posts are 'riduculous'.
They are.
(YOU ARE SO WRONG. I LOVE NEIGHBORS HELPING NEIGHBORS. I’M JUST TIRED OF NEIGHBORS WHO EXPECT HELP AND DO UNDO THEIR FOOLISH OR STUPID CHOICES. MAYBE IF THE TERMINALLY STUPID HELPED THEMSELVES , THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY. THAT MIGHT BE TOO RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU.) Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
That's how we fell about you CONs, every time we have to clean up one of your messes. Your only contributions to society are constant efforts to destroy it. Your excuse? Others don't contribute their fair share - all of the while avoiding your fair contributions!
Hypocrite.
(NOW THA’S DEEP. KORANIMALS SPRING FROM A MINDSET WHICH IS REPULSED BY DIFFERENT RELIGIONS AND WESTERN CULTURE.) But, I forget, you don’t think that deeply. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
You equally describe Conservative Jews and Christians. That's why you guys are so fanatical - your near eastern religions are all anti-western. That's why Rome fell, your Occidental nonrational influences.
And here we are again, with your near eastern attitudes bringing down the west again - this time just like with Rome, you're eating us from within.
(TELL YOU WHAT. YOUR “COUNTRY†CAN ABOLISH THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND ESTABLISH THE DEPT. OF PEACE. MY COUNTRY CAN HAVE A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND DIPLOMATS WHO CAN HANDLE FOREIGN AFFAIRS DIPLOMATICALLY UNTIL DIPLOMACY IS EXHAUSTED. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Sounds like a plan. Too bad you Toranimals wouldn't respect peace any more than you respect non Yahweh religions.
YOU CAN APPEASE AND UNDERSTAND THE MISGUIDED AMONG THE MUSLIM FANATICS. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
We're quite familiar with MISGUIDED FANATICS - you post here all of the time.
I PREFER TO WALK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG STICK - IT’S SOMETHING EVEN KORANIMALS UNDERSTAND. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Yes, but apparently you carry it up your ass. And try to hit innocent people, while protecting your fellow fanatics.
AND PLEASE DON’T ASK FOR US TO COME TO YOUR RESCUE AFTER YOU’VE INSTITUTED SWEEEPING GUN CONTROL. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Saddam had Gun Control. It's amazing how creative people can get when they're invaded. You're a really stupid woman aren't you?
YOU, SIR, ARE TERMINALLY NAIVE. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
You maam, are naive, ignorant, stupid and hateful. Without a very tolerant 'liberal' man, you're doomed to be single in 50, just like you're single and 23 Mizz Anorexia.
AND THE FUNNY THING, THE RADICAL KORANIMALS HATE YOU AS MUCH AS ME. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01
am
No the funny thing, is that you hate us, as much as they do - why? Because you're both Toranimals - they just follow version 3 of it.
BUT YOU’LL NEVER CATCH ME IN A BURKA. ON THE OTHER HAND - FOR YOU, IT MIGHT BE A FASHION IMPROVEMENT.) Sleep tight. Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 2:01 am
How about in a sheitel? That's the Toranimal BURKA you know - or don't you? Are you one of those extremist jews, that doesn't even know your own religious practices? Considering how skinny you are twiggy, a BURKA would put you into flight like a kite. But anything that would cover up that ugly skinny face of yours would be a FASHION IMPROVEMENT. That's true.
Good Nite MIZZ Anorexia. Maybe when you Toranimals stop stealing Muslim lands, killing their children, taking their water and putting them in Concentration camps - they'll stop Koranimaling you. You can pooh-pooh a department of peace all you want, but your department of war in Israel just lost a huge one, and the Koranimals have re-armed. I know you have dreams of the rapture so your Messiah can come. But that's as stupid as your commie postings.
Get a clue girlie, and stop acting like a 12 year old spoiled princess that daddy has late nite private time with. Your eating disorder won't protect you from the world, and neither will your political extremism.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:38 amFun with islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXvtDKwQlx0
February 21st, 2007 at 2:44 amand stop acting like a 12 year old
Comment by VVGFU
You're a good one to talk.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:47 amDo you ever get out of your mom's basement,or do you live to follow VV. around to insult her with your childish humor?
You're a time waster.Get another hobby,or a friend.
VVGU is codependent narcissist autistic retard.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:52 amThis post isn’t about me…or haven’t you noticed all the amazing intelligence on this thread of everyone except a few die hard cons like yourself?
Comment by s
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>This post isn’t about me…
Project much?
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>or haven’t you noticed all the amazing intelligence on this thread of everyone except a few die hard cons like yourself?
And yes, the intelligence from the posters here is amazing. That's why I keep coming back. And LISTENING!
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s.
Don’t listen to rachel; I love your posts-keep it up.
And thanks for telling VVGFU that you thought his posts are ‘riduculous’.
They are.
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Your posts are very enlightening as well.
If you don't like that?
You can go fu*ck yourself too troll alert.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:53 am"The total military dead in the Iraq war between 2003 and this month stands at about 3,133. This is tragic, as are all deaths due to war, and we are facing a cowardly enemy unlike any other in our past that hides behind innocent citizens. Each death is blazoned in the headlines of newspapers and Internet sites.
What is never compared is the number of military deaths during the Clinton administration:
1,245 in 1993;
1,109 in 1994;
1,055 in 1995;
1,008 in 1996.
That's 4,417 deaths in peacetime but, of course, who's counting?""
February 21st, 2007 at 2:54 amThis post isn’t about me…or haven’t you noticed all the amazing intelligence on this thread of everyone except a few die hard cons like yourself?
Comment by s
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>This post isn’t about me…
Project much?
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>or haven’t you noticed all the amazing intelligence on this thread of everyone except a few die hard cons like yourself?
And yes, the intelligence from the posters here is amazing. That's why I keep coming back. And LISTENING!
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s.
Don’t listen to rachel; I love your posts-keep it up.
And thanks for telling VVGFU that you thought his posts are ‘riduculous’.
They are.
Comment by troll alert —
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Your posts are very enlightening as well.
If you don't like that?
You can go fu*ck yourself too troll alert.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:55 amVVGU is codependent narcissist autistic retard.
Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 2:52 am
I know you are, but what am I? ;)
The queen of Hypocrisy has just listed her bag of clinical findings. Now we know why she isn't in therapy, she's an incurable freak. Catamite.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:58 amFun with islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXvtDKwQlx0
Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 2:44 am
Ah, the obsessive Catamite posts more anti-islamic material. You are one messed up c*nt.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:59 amThat’s 4,417 deaths in peacetime but, of course, who’s counting?â€"
Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 2:54 am
Yeah, and most of them occurred from accidents, and the numbers you posted are only for Iraq, don't include 'mercenaries' that work for us there, don't include injuries (almost 30 THOUSAND) or those that died outside Iraq even though they were injured in Iraq, and don't include those that died in other countries.
In otherwords, like all of your posts, it's meaningless misinformation.
Vince, you stupid catamite, you're a fool.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:05 amWhat is catamite?
February 21st, 2007 at 3:23 amWhat is catamite?
Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 3:23 am
You. Use 'the google' if you need to understand yourself.
Tell me Vince, how many american soldiers died in total so far? Or did your propaganda website forget to supply you with that fact?
Instead of passing on a talking point, go educate yourself, catamite.
http://siadapp.dior.whs.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/castop.htm
February 21st, 2007 at 3:43 am"You can go f*ck yourself too,troll alert.".
Comment by rachel-
There,I corrected your punctuation,rache.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:47 amBy the way,I thought you turned over a new leaf?
That statement wasn't very nice. If Zooey or BnF see it,they might not pat you on the head anymore.
What is catamite?
Comment by Vince P
It's not in either of the 2 dictionaries I have beside me.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:55 amIt's probably something VVGFU's Mom yells at him when she's calling him up from the basement.
They trade lies.
Subterfuge. Distortion and sophistry.
Words meant to spread hate and death, wonderfully cloacked,
to look like rhapsodies.
Their souls, their integrity and conscience, are long lost,
long sold for what it's never worth.
For the trade needs you to be evilly godly,
in the style they spineth the lies,
in the manner they defend the smear,
in the way they mislead the sheeps -
to the slaughter.
Their words bring no glory but gory.
No paen but pain.
No love but lust.
No purity but putridness.
These are the harlots Solomon talked about.
The liars with sweet tongues, whose words,
leads to nowhere but death.
Whose merchandise is nothing but woe and blood.
All of them, tied to the same cord of the cursed.
Men with angelic faces, voices of larks,
yet with souls in the chambers of hell.
Men who ate the forbidden fruit.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:01 amNot the fruit of life, but that of death.
This is my last post here for the night.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:02 amIf any post shows up in my name--it's not authentic.
[...] of Think Progress: In a press roundtable at the National Press Club tonight, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 4:11 amUse ‘the google’ if you need to understand
February 21st, 2007 at 4:16 amVince, I told you that you are too dumb to tackle anybody in TP: Here's a little hand:
A catamite was the younger partner in a pederastic relationship between two males in the ancient world, especially Greece (although the resurrected ancient world is now s'posed to be Israel). The word, a later label, is derived from the Latin catamitus, itself borrowed from the Etruscan catmite, a corruption of the Greek Ganymedes, the boy who was seduced by Zeus and became his lover and cupbearer in Greek mythology. But rather in this context, I believe ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus ref to someone as sick as you, is that you were seduced by Bush & Cheney, (probably ass-and-mouth banged by them), then you became their sex-slave, cupbearer, and missionary according to the Neocon mythology.
One more thing Vince. You are doing a heck of a job, and Im sure your boss's gon be pliszed. You are not doing bad. I think the Neo-dicks who employed you outta give you a lil more raise. You seem to be doing enough overtime smearing all of us down here to deserve it. You are alot more serious than Rachel, Michael and the other shit-socked trolls. Way to go sicko.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:23 am#202: “The total military dead in the Iraq war between 2003 and this month stands at about 3,133. This is tragic, as are all deaths due to war, and we are facing a cowardly enemy unlike any other in our past that hides behind innocent citizens. Each death is blazoned in the headlines of newspapers and Internet sites.
What is never compared is the number of military deaths during the Clinton administration:
1,245 in 1993;
1,109 in 1994;
1,055 in 1995;
1,008 in 1996.
That’s 4,417 deaths in peacetime but, of course, who’s counting?â€"
Comment by Vince P.
Link please.
February 21st, 2007 at 4:49 amSO, THEY DON'T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOWING ABOUT OR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH'S NUMEROUS NAZI CONNECTIONS?
February 21st, 2007 at 5:31 amAND IN ORDER TO STOP THIS THEY ARE NOW TRYING TO RESTRICT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH ON THE BASIS THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN? HOW VERY INTERESTING.
SO, THEY DON'T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH OR TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH'S NUMEROUS NAZI CONNECTIONS, AND IN ORDER TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM KNOWING OR TELLING THE TRUTH THEY ARE NOW GOING TO TRY TO REMOVE OUR AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH? INTERESTING INDEED. HOW VERY PATRIOTIC OF MR. SNOW.
February 21st, 2007 at 5:41 amSO, THEY DON'T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH OR TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH'S NUMEROUS NAZI CONNECTIONS, AND IN ORDER TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM KNOWING OR TELLING THE TRUTH THEY ARE NOW GOING TO TRY TO REMOVE OUR AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH? INTERESTING INDEED. HOW VERY PATRIOTIC OF MR. SNOW.
February 21st, 2007 at 5:48 amThis b*stards are afraid of our independency and our free opinions.Massive bias, typical of newspapers and tv news, is absent among us.They can't control the voters with a remote anymore.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:51 amUN prepares Iran nuke report
February 21st, 2007 at 6:58 amWhat Vince P. doesn't tell you is that military deaths were lowest during Clinton's administration (of course) and that they were lowest during the period he doesn't mention, 1997 through 2000.
Here's a link, click on "more data here":
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=16908
February 21st, 2007 at 7:12 amThey would shut blogs down if they thought they could. In reality it is their words that are polarizing and they can't stand that we expose their lies.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:49 amThis has to be the most stupid statement ever uttered by a "journalist".
Our role is to ask questions and get information.
Your role is to find out the truth when the politicians are giving you spin and lies.
It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender.
Sorry to tell you Mr Wolfe. Your function is to grill them. It is to hold them to account for what they have said and done. It is hold them to account for the consequences of their actions. That is your service and obligation to the American people and to your profession. If you just want to be a stenographer, then there are plenty of those opportunities available out there. But don't practice stenography and call it journalism. You insult those few remaining true journalists.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:50 amCan't seem to forget Margaret Carlson (columnist) saying in her book that she gave Bush a pass in 2000 because he gave out better sandwiches on his press flights than Gore did .....
February 21st, 2007 at 7:52 amGuess who showed up for the party?:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/21/1234/95005
Our fun little gay Republican hooker is back!!!
February 21st, 2007 at 7:55 amThese hacks are just starting to realize how easily they can be made irrelevant by people merely speaking the truth.
Just like worthless trolls.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:56 am[...] at the National Press Club from Tony Snow and members of the WHPC (White House Press Corps). Think Progress has details. Something odd, though… NBC News’ David Gregory bemoaned how political coverage has [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 8:02 amI agree completely with #14.
So, are we left with waiting for the MSM to give us information that we now turn to the blogs to find out?
Are they upset because the blogs are doing actual investigative work and finding out info that leaves them naked and feigning outrage at being made to look like the poodles they are?
Boy, Tony Snow surely couldn't have believed his ears, when you have reporters saying that they ask questions without any significant follow-up.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:07 amNo wonder we're in trouble.
Cymon Dendu : Because that wasn't the point.
I didnt tell you to take a shower today, but I hope you did.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:15 amReporters like Gregory and Wolffe long for the old days of readers writing letters and sending them through the snail mail. Instant feedback via blogs, email, comments, etc. are very threatening to a press that used to get a handful of comments in the mail days after the piece being commented on ran in the paper or magazine. Poor babies.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:21 amI don't think that the press corps does its job. They must recognize their own complicity in the "Hateful", "Polarized" blogosphere.
They should ask more difficult questions of everyone more often - actually all the time. I feel they fear loosing access. What is the difference between loosing access and loosing site of what is real and important?
By not pressuring the WH for the truth, they contribute to the war in Iraq, cronyism, despotism, fraud and the subjugation of the middle class.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:21 amEver watch the daily press gaggle or whatever they call it? 1/2 the time the reporters are grandstanding on really irrelevent yet exteremely nitpicky things. i think the most ridicilious ones I watched was the day they annouced the first lady had some skin cancer removed. The reporters must have been harassing Tony for about 30 minutes on why this infomration was "covered up" and on and on and on. Otherwise, the typical day is one where the reporters try to play "gotcha" on the slightest discrepency they think they uncovered but they're mostly reactive.. not proactive.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:27 amJust for everyone's info...
As stated yesterday, I've been lurking on a select conservative blog, just to see if they have more intelligent posts then our resident trolls (a few do, most don't).
All of Vince's supposed talking points are taking directly from this blog.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:28 amIt is absolutely amazing that one cannot debate and/or argue on one's own thinking ability.
I've never proclaimed to be an intelligent debater (especially from the political side) as ValiantVenusCameFromUranus or unbelievable (among others), but, in the limited time that I do have to post, at least my talking points are my own, and not carbon copied (dittoed?) from, let's say KOs or Mediamatters.
Pathetic, Vince P., absolutely pathetic.
The reporters and the govt officials all suffer from the same lack of vision. The reporters dont even know what questions they should be asking for to get truths of which they have no concept.
They (Govt and Media) arrogantly procede in their dance , smug in their knoweldge that the world revolves around them and things that dont fit into thier frame of reference just dont matter. A lot of you people have the same affliction. It leads to category error and strategic blind spots.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:31 amDRxJ: Why in the world would I take stuff from here as my talking points? Sorry but your little revelation makes no sense.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:32 amPolarized? Snow needs to be hit with a Mack truck.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:34 amAll of Vince’s supposed talking points are taking directly from this blog.
This= the conservative blog I was lurking at.
Hope that helps, DittoHead!
February 21st, 2007 at 8:39 amIn my view, they are purposely creating this myth for their collegues in the big business sector. They would like to start the discussion to eventually kill net neutrality. This is just another foray to get the discussion directed to that ending. And the National Press Club venue only adds credance to whatever they say.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:41 amShamefull bunch of has beens.
Funny Political Video on Blogs...
Really funny clip here -- Tony
February 21st, 2007 at 8:46 amSnow and White House Reporters Slam The "Hateful," "Polarized"
Blogosphere . Give it a click. It's not long but it's worth it.
Sure, unfortunately, there are many hateful political blogs out there,
but there ar...
I'm hateful and damn proud of it.
Bush & Co. made me that way.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:47 amat least tony snow and david gregory weren't holding hands
February 21st, 2007 at 8:47 amDR: You make no sense. Why would I get my talking points from here? Do you know that means.. that would mean that not only would I agree with the pap here, I would then go around advocating for it. No , I dont think that's me.
And with your Ditto comment, if you're hinting that i'm on Rush Limbaugh's site, that's wrong too. That's not on my list of places I go.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:52 amActually - what most of us WISH you all would do is to ask the PROBING QUESTIONS that would result in REVEALING ANSWERS about the most important matters of our time. The two biggest ones include the TWO terror attacks that occured on US soil in 2001. Yes, contrary to ALL of your lies - there were TWO - not one.
Appparently NO ONE is guilty of any crimes related to 9/11 OR the subsequent ANTHRAX TERROR ATTTACKS - which terrified EVERY US CITIZEN who became fearful of bringing their mail into their own homes.
When you stopped asking questions about 9/11 and the anthrax attacks - you lost us. The two worst crimes to hit US soil - and you're going to let them remain unsolved? SHAME ON YOU - YOU PUSSIES!
DEMAND THE TRUTH.
You think bloggers are pissed? You're damn right we're pissed.
We're pissed at you for not asking a thousand follow-up question until the criminals are revealed. How dare you stop investigating these crimes?
February 21st, 2007 at 8:54 amWith regards to the idea that the press wouldn't get access to interviews if they didn't suck up to the White House, I just have to ask... Would that really be so bad? I mean, think about it. What if the White House had no one that they could turn to in the MSM who was willing to play nice and not ask tough questions. One of two things would happen: 1. they would stop giving interviews. 2. they would still need to give interviews and so we the people would get tough questions asked, because the journalists would be doing their job. I can't see the problem. So, it must just be that the MSM journalists are afraid of their own shadow, gutless, and don't appreciate or comprehend their own power, and so they have sold the fourth estate cheap.
Hey Tony, pass the brie, please.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:54 amace: there have been a few individuals convicted for their roles in 9/11. The French guy (Moussarri (sp?)) is one. There are many others in Europe.
The plain fact of 9/11 is that most of the direct actors died in the attack or were in Afghanistan who we warred against.. not sent arrest warrants.
The anthrax stuff.. well I'm pretty sure the press asked about it (i know they did).. but that's a case that went no wher. So they could ask more, but there's no info out there that the govt has that's new.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:04 amPretty funny video. Thanks for posting it. I'm not surprised, though. I don't expect much more from the political establishment in Washington, to be honest. But it was a good laugh nonetheless.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:18 amYou make no sense. Why would I get my talking points from here? Do you know that means.. that would mean that not only would I agree with the pap here, I would then go around advocating for it. No , I dont think that’s me.
The anthrax stuff.. well I’m pretty sure the press asked about it (i know they did).. but that’s a case that went no wher. So they could ask more, but there’s no info out there that the govt has that’s new.
Comment by Vince P. Afraid — February 21, 2007 @ 9:04 am
Wow, these are your debating skills without the help of a right wing blog?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:19 amNo wonder you need to cut and paste!
ok. dr is going to persist in his otherworldly logic and immature rhetoric. how smug he must feel.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:27 amThis administration "wrote the book" on Polarization and now it's blaming the blogosphere - hah! What idiots!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:28 amVince.
Go back to your television and await further instructions.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:29 amTrying to marshall reinforcements in the flagging, irrelevant mainstream media by criticizing the blogosphere?? Nice try but most intelligent people no longer watch mainstream news programs and newspapers all over the country are folding up their tents (in small towns at least) because they recognize that what they're given to spin is largely propaganda and subscriptions/readership is waning drastically. They've brought it on themselves by continuing to attempt to dupe the people by the obvious propaganda. They've sealed their own fate by becoming the "spinmeisters of lies and deceit"....they are just bringing to fruition what they've sown. It's the universal law...."you reap what you sow"!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:31 am#243 - "The anthrax stuff.. well I’m pretty sure the press asked about it (i know they did).. but that’s a case that went no wher. So they could ask more, but there’s no info out there that the govt has that’s new." Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 9:04 am
The Anthrax attacks were mainly targeted against Democrats, so there will be no further investigation as to who sent the letters.
I believe that if a high profile Republican had been targeted, it would have been breaking news and the investigation would have been front page news until they found the person responsible.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:36 amSince 2001, there have been no less than one hundred circumstances when either politicians or journalists have stated that there have been no further terror attacks on US soil since 9/11. THIS IS FALSE. No "journalist" or talking head has EVER corrected ANY politician making this false claim.
The Anthrax Attacks were in FACT a second TERROR ATTACK on US soil. The fact that the anthrax was traced directly to the Department of Defense led to the immediate shut down of the investigation AND the media questioning of officials.
By definition - a conspiracy exists between the government and journalists where the media blackout of the anthrax investigations is concerned.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:36 amThat’s 4,417 deaths in peacetime but, of course, who’s counting?
Answer: PEOPLE LIKE YOU!
Reason: Because you remain one of the many shit-soaked-scum-bags who sit daily, spining the lies around for war war war!
Hey I'd like to know: Who's also counting the big billions $$$ bucks Mobile-Exxon, Haliburton, and the Oil-Pharma & Weapon suited guys are raking in?
I served in Iraq. There's a song we recite there quite alot, and I'd quote alil part of it:
"...We are toy soldiers in the fantasy world of the politikoz...
We are pawns. We are tools.... We are assets. We fetch 'em the fat. The fortune, and their empire...."
If 4,417 deaths in peacetime means more peace to the world, I would honorably die to get the world what it deserves. Not this neocon-unleased bloody reign of terror that would make the wealthy alot more obsecenly rich. A war that raises the profit & stock indexes of the super rich at the cost of the body bags of some poor kid trying to serve their country. Soldiers fight for peace, not for terror, not for the spoils animals like Bush & Cheney lust for, and not the sick desires of war profiteers like you!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:38 am[...] we’ve got this crazy story, broken by Think Progress, about that crazy mainstream media slamming the crazy “hateful” blogosphere. The [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 9:40 amAnd with your Ditto comment, if you’re hinting that i’m on Rush Limbaugh’s site, that’s wrong too. That’s not on my list of places I go.Comment by Vince P — February 21, 2007 @ 8:52 am
Bulls**t Vince.... I heard Rush peddling this same "Clinton-Soldier death toll" crap Tuesday. If you get your info from elsewhere, show it. You are a dittohead, plain and simple.
Love always
February 21st, 2007 at 9:40 amVince:
Provide a list of names of those "hijackers" who died in the 9/11 attacks - and provide proof that they were who the government claimed them to be - that they were actually onboard the planes - and that they died.
Are you aware that your own government disagrees with your assessment?
Are you aware that the FBI refuses to confirm that the individual pictured in the "Bin Laden Confession Video" is in fact Bin Laden? You don't know about this, do you? The TV didn't tell you.
What can you deduce from this fact?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:42 amComment by creasybear — February 21, 2007 @ 9:38 am
February 21st, 2007 at 9:43 amWell said, creasybear!!!
Please await the rebuttal from Vince P. Afraid, as it takes awhile for him to cut and paste from a conservative blog.
Newsweek’s White House correspondent Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information...It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them..."
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Then why haven't you cretins been actually doing that?!? Your jobs are supposed to involve something more than regurgitating whatever the White House says and treating them with kid gloves -- "grilling people" by asking them questions which are designed to dig deeper and challenge inconsistencies is actually precisely what you're supposed to be doing. If you don't do that, then you're not much more than a propaganda officer. If you don't ask the important questions and try to challenge the administration on their own inconsistencies, then you're actually doing the very thing which you say you're not supposed to be doing -- you're acting as a political advocate because you're letting them get away with double-talking the American people. Remember what Stephen Colbert told you lot last year at the White House Press Corps Dinner? "The President makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home." People, those weren't suggestions -- it was intended as a criticism. Ever hear of satire?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:46 am#226
Thanks for posting that.
I decided to look into this more and got a good education on Margaret Carlson.
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The following is courtesy of The Daily Howler:
Meanwhile, this (Margaret Carlson's) book spills over with fatuous reasons underlying the preference for Bush. As modern journalists feel free to do, Carlson confesses the press corps’ lack of professionalism right at the start of this section:
CARLSON (page 101): The campaign, or specifically the campaign plane, is the last time the press gets to see the man who would be president more closely than an attentive viewer of C-SPAN. Bush didn’t like campaigning, so he treated the time on the press like recess, a chance to kick back between math and chemistry classes. He was seductive, playful, and most of all, himself. It’s a failure of some in the press—well, a failure for me—that we are susceptible to a politician directing the high beams of his charm at us. That Al Gore couldn’t catch a break had something to do with how he was when his hair was down. Only it never was.
Needless to say, that was because Gore was (next paragraph) “intent on proving he was the smartest kid on the planet.†But your press corps never seems to tire of making these odd confessions. Routinely, they report that they judge your pols, and tilt their coverage, based on trivial matters of personality and personal preference.
Carlson goes on, at considerable length, about how Bush “bond[ed] with the goof-off in all of us†on that plane. Persistently, she portrays the press corps—and herself—as if they were feckless teen-agers. On the plane, “[Bush’s] inner child hovers near the surface,†she writes. And not only that; “Bush knows how to push the buttons of your high school insecurity.†But then, “a campaign is as close as an adult can get to duplicating college life.†Bush “wasn’t just any old breezy frat brother with mediocre grades…He was proud of it,†Carlson writes, approvingly. This seems to explain the press corps’ preference. “Gore elicited in us the childish urge to poke a stick in the eye of the smarty-pants,†she writes. “Bush elicited self-recognition.†Yes, those sentences actually appear in this book, and yes, they seem to be Carlson’s explanation of Gore’s lousy coverage. “It’s not hard to dislike Bush’s policies, which favor the strong over the weak,†she writes. “But it is hard to dislike Bush.â€
Carlson spends little time on those Bush policies, “which favor the strong over the weak.†By contrast—as noted in Thursday’s HOWLER—she spends lots of time complaining that the Clintons would subject her to tedious policy chatter. It is perfectly clear that “the goof-off in Carlson†has little interest in such major tedium. In India, she falls asleep when Mrs. Clinton limns health care, and she can’t understand why Candidate Bill Clinton, in 1992, would talk to her about welfare reform. Talking to Bush is much more fun. “As he propped his rolled-up sleeves on the seat back in front of me, his body leaning into the conversation, he waggled his eyebrows up and down like Groucho Marx, mugging across the aisle,†she relates. You’ll probably think that we’re being unfair. Read this book and you’ll see that we aren’t.
No, Carlson spends little time on Bush’s policies, though it’s clear who she thinks they favor. For example, she briefly mentions Bush’s legislative approach after the 2002 elections. “After his big win in the midterm elections in 2002,†she writes, “Bush lurched further in the direction of protecting those who have against those who don’t.†But she spends much more time discussing the way Bush provided better food on his plane. Mmmm! “There were Dove bars and designer water on demand,†she recalls, “and a bathroom stocked like Martha Stewart’s guest suite. Dinner at seven featured lobster ravioli.†Apparently, Bush’s policies reflect the tastes of “those that have†even when dinner bells chime.
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If in fact this woman voted for Bush, she did so because she was really impressed with his childish school boy antics and because he "sprung" for Dove Bars and "designer water." Wow.
At a minimum, she should have been smart enough not to be played by such cheap antics and been more critical of Bush in 2000. And 2002. And 2004.
Most of all, she - and the rest of the MSM that covers presidential campaigns - need to realize that their job is think long and hard and smart about who will be the best person to lead the nation. Not to pick their new "imaginary best friend."
Another note to the MSM - the best person to lead the nation could be someone you may not want to "hang out" with or "be buddies" with. Be professional and realize that you are covering the choice for president of a nation that has the ability to do tremedous good (or bad) in this world. It is entirely posible that this person may not be funny (to you) or seem "cool" (to you).
By copy to David Gregory and Tony Snow, blogger Anonymoustoo shared some info. I looked into it and found more that I thought was worthy of sharing. What Carlson said in her own words is a perfect example as to why we are (at best) "disappointed" with what we get from you two. This is nothing hateful" about this exchange.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:48 amThere were NOT "NINETEEN HIJACKERS."
Think about that simple fact for a second...just three days after 9/11, they not only had what they claimed were the names of EVERY hijacker involved in 9/11 - but had also obtained perfect photos of each.
As none of there names were to be found on ANY passenger manifest from any of the four planes - where and how were these names obtained? Even prior to 9/11 - if you were on a commercial flight - your name was absolutely on the official manifest. There were NO Arab-sounding names on any of FOUR FLIGHT MANIFESTS. Look it up.
Further...
Are we to believe that the FBI contacted the parents of each of these 19 individuals, and that the parents just happened to be awaiting there call, scrap book at the ready, and an internet connection and scanner on hand - all to enable the release of ALL 19 photos of ALL 19 "Hijackers" - just three days after 9/11.
Just use your logical mind.
What are the odds that they would...
A. know all 19 identies and
B. have access to perfect color photography of each?
That day - when all 19 photos were released - that was the first time I said "THIS SMELLS" - that's virtually impossible.
It will come as no surprise that it has since been revealed by Robert Meuller of the FBI nearly half of the purported "Hijackers" were misidentified...since they are in fact still ALIVE.
Isn't it just fucking incredible that the FBI knows this - but the mainstream media not only can't bring themselves to report it - but continues to parrot the "19 Hijackers" story as gospel - though they never all existed?
Bush lies every time he talks about "The Hijackers." The press knows it.
Talk about "Truthiness!"
February 21st, 2007 at 9:49 amre: #257
Last sentence should be "There was nothing 'hateful' in this exchange."
February 21st, 2007 at 9:56 amTony Snow is right. There is nothing but hatred in this blog. You hate Bush and you hope for failure in Iraq. You people are traitors and should be treated accordingly.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:59 am"Newsweek’s White House correspondent Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information. "
I couldn't agree more on the role defined by Wolffe. So if the role is to "get information" why aren't the MSM getting that information. It is the lack of accurate information that so riles the bloggers. Wolffe doesn't understand blogging if he feels that all the bloggers want is for MSM to take sides. In fact just the opposite is the case; bloggers want MSM to stop taking sides; so resist the slide to imitate Fox News.
Wolffe shows that MSM still doesn't get it. An excellent example of "fair and balanced" news reporting is the recent report on conditions at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. Lay the facts bare. That is not taking sides. That is what journalists should be doing. Russert and Woodward are the poster boys for just what is wrong, not what is right. If Wolffe can't see that difference then he is in the wrong business.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:06 am[...] Snow and the White House Press Corps took a few cheap shots at bloggers [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 10:06 amYou hate Bush and you hope for failure in Iraq.
Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists #259
You're right about hating Bush (at least for me)...
...because it was WRONG, Iraq was a failure from the start...(no one had to "hope" for that)...
...and your continued worship of these corrupt, lying, theiving, mass murdering scum (Bush and his minions)...
...who ARE trying to destroy America...
...makes YOU the TRAITOR...
...and I hope and pray we deal with YOU accordingly...
...so "bring it on" whenever your brave a*s feels "frisky"...
February 21st, 2007 at 10:11 amComment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — February 21, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Huh. Vince P. gets called out on his cutting and pasting from the right's blogosphere, and get's schooled when confronted about debating.
Vince P. Afraid disappears.
LHT suddenly posts.
Again I say....HUH
February 21st, 2007 at 10:11 amwhoda thunk?
If the press corps had been doing their journalistic jobs, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today. The demand for "political revenge" is just backlash from years of sucking up to Bush.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:16 amYes of course I hate Bush. All good Americans do.
As for "success" in Iraq, WTF is that? No one is expecting a liberal democracy in that place within the next hundred years.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:18 am…so “bring it on†whenever your brave a*s feels “friskyâ€â€¦
Comment by big papa — February 21, 2007 @ 10:11 am
don't hold your breath, big papa. I've called out LHT many a times, to which it never responds, but posts under another name.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:23 amTypical cowardly act.
#259 - "There is nothing but hatred in this blog. You hate Bush and you hope for failure in Iraq. You people are traitors and should be treated accordingly." Comment by Liberals Heart Terrorists — February 21, 2007 @ 9:59 am
Funny, I thought he was talking about the right-wing blogs where they all hate Democrats and talk about supporting the troops (but refuse to fully fund the VA or provide money for armour and won't sign up for service) and hate the constitution for protecting free speech.
I think the neo-con traitors should be sent to GITMO, but with the Lord of the neo-cons running the Administration, justice won't happen.
Why hasn't LHT volunteered for Iraq yet? Why do you hate our troops so much?!?!?
February 21st, 2007 at 10:24 amI wonder how political coverage got so "polarized". Hmmm...let's see what Tony Snow was writing back in 2001:
Published on Friday, May 18, 2001 in the Kansas City Star:
No Truth in Clinton White House Vandal Scandal, GSA Reports
by David Goldstein
...Typical was Tony Snow, a syndicated columnist and former presidential speech writer for President Bush's father, who wrote that the White House "was a wreck." He also said that Air Force One, after taking Clinton and some aides to New York following the inauguration, "looked as if it had been stripped by a skilled band of thieves -- or perhaps wrecked by a trailer park twister."
He went on to list all manner of missing items, including silverware, porcelain dishes with the presidential seal and even candy.
"It makes one feel grateful that the seats and carpets are bolted down," Snow fumed.
Except none of it happened. An official at Andrews Air Force Base, which maintains the presidential jets, told The Kansas City Star at the height of the controversy that nothing was missing. Bush himself acknowledged the same a few days later.
And now GSA has made it official.
That would make Tony Snow a lying sack of _______ ? Anyone? Anyone? Here's a clue: It's what comes out of his mouth when reporters ask him questions in the White House briefing room. Anyone?
February 21st, 2007 at 10:31 amWho do neo-cons love terrorists?
Could it be because it was the best way they could get into power, by encouraging terrorist activities so they can say "You have to support our radical agenda and give us unfettered power to do anything we want, or the terrorists will win! (Ignore our dismantling the rights guaranteed in the constitution that we will do away with, and increasing pro-business handouts and reducing funds for the soldiers and not giving them armour and the lies we tell to go to war.)
Why do neo-cons want to give the terrorists more recruits by invading countries and creating a zone where people are more than happy to help the terrorists out?
Could it be because the terrorists WANT the neo-cons to be in power so they have a more effective recruiting tool?
Neo-cons love terrorists! Terrorists love neo-cons!
Usama bin-Laden wanted Pres. Bush to get re-elected in 2004!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO410B.html
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Bush-Osama-Bin-Laden31oct04.htm
February 21st, 2007 at 10:35 am#243 Vince P.
The plain fact of 9/11 is that most of the direct actors died in the attack or were in Afghanistan who we warred against.. not sent arrest warrants.
First off, the "arrest warrants" bit is a retarded right-wing talking point from people who don't understand what the term "police work" means when used in a discussion of counter-terrorism. Retarded right-wingers think you can fight a "war on terror" and that you can do it with military force. Their ignorance is one of the reasons we have an increase in jihadist terrorist attacks since the invasion of Iraq.
Secondly, the 'warring against' al Qaeda in Afghanistan came to a halt so that we could invade Iraq, a move that had nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Thanks to retarded right-wingers, al Qaeda is doing fine and the Taliban are coming back strong. Way to go!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:42 amBloggers are bad!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:47 amAnn Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limpbaugh, Sean Hannity, Hugh Hewitt, Melanie Morgan are good!
When they hate and fabricate total bullsh*t, it's good for the country!
But when bloggers report the facts and sometimes get frustrated with all the White House's lies and the "Librul" media's failure to hold them to account for those lies, then the bloggers are bad for America.
Tony Snow is a creep. His kids must be real proud to have a creep for a Dad. Oops! I'm bad too!
259 - come and treat me like a traitor, buddy - come on! i'm a bad old blog traitor and I hate W, so come and get me, unless you're a chickenshit wingnut that thinks he knows enough to run his idiot mouth all day about shit he has no knowledge of.
Pathetic - I'm SO glad that the Republican'ts are completely disgraced, and con-swervatives are exposed as the frauds they've always been. In another season or so beck and oreilly will be gone from tv, malkin and coulter will be gone from the newspaper, and we won't have to hear the strained, sub-literate bleatings of the chip-on-my-shoulder-even-when-i-win crowd any more.
let's all leave this thread to vince and LHT, and they can have a circle jerk over tony snow's picture....sickies
February 21st, 2007 at 11:35 amLegislation:
H.R. 501 is great bill for CIA employees. It is a new form of retirement. The CIA employees can not only use the psychiatric benefets toward the end for medals and money, but can retire early with even more benefits. Most federal employees will be using H.R. 501
The Whistle blower law evolved out of the five year intelligence ban/protection act/ban on serving on committees after being subpeoned out of these laws- No Fear Legislation is actually an old saying from DEA, before they became part of the intelligence community. This will probably make them far less effective.
Department of Peace has no intelligence ban and a lifetime ban is needed like the five year ban in PC.
Repealing the SSA will make some federal employees(e.g. PC) non federal employees, so is the repeal good for all federal employees?
1 . Federal Employee Protection of Disclosures Act (Introduced in Senate)[S.274.IS]
2 . Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)[H.R.985.IH]
2 . To repeal the Military Selective Service Act. (Introduced in House)[H.R.424.IH]
Department of Peace and Nonviolence Act (Introduced in House)[H.R.808.IH]
H. R. 501
February 21st, 2007 at 11:37 amWell, if all they do is report what someone wants reported -- i.e., stenography -- and if they don't want to use skill and experience to judge what's true and what's not, why do any of them need to get paid hundreds of thousands or a million dollars a year? Couldn't we just have newspapers written by secretaries and copy editors
February 21st, 2007 at 11:38 amThe Bush administration, the media, etc...they feel threatened by the fact that now THE PEOPLE are empowered. They have lost the ability to control things. Worse of all, blogs can be used to highlight and expose things that Snow and the MSM would rather not talk about.
If Bush told the truth, and the media reported the truth, there would be nothing for the blogs to expose.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:43 am[...] couple of stories show that despite what the MSM says shining the light on shady side of politics what the media is supposed to do. And these two stories [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 11:52 am"Our role is to ask questions and get information."
Dear Mr. Gregory: If you fail to ask an OBVIOUS question, then you are not fulfilling your role.
You and your brethren fail to ask obvious questions on a regular basis these days. People want "news", not "propaganda", and that is ALL you have been giving them!
So perhaps you should quit your whining and re-evaluate your "role", before you lose any more audience share to "the blogosphere".
February 21st, 2007 at 12:09 pmThe White House Press Corpse had male hooker Jeffy Lube Gannon in their midst for two years. No legitimate press credentials and no security check since he was on day passes for two years.
The White House Press Corpse did not investigate this story because they were scooped by bloggers and embarassed by their incompetence. Instead, the Main Stream Media blacked out this story.
Jeffy Lube Gannon is Chimpy's Monica. It was a big story but the MSM "spiked" it. (spiking a story means refusing to run it)
Of course the White House Press Corpse hates bloggers. Bloggers made them look like the incompetent fools and corporate media whores they really are.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:11 pm"Richard Wolffe added, “[Bloggers] want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information. … It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender.â€
How disappointing. I always liked Richard Wolffe. But, he is right. The job of journalists is to ask questions and to get information. Unfortunately the questions they are asking are useless and they are not questions that will give us the information we need. If the journalists asked the questions that really need answering, they would be doing their jobs. As it is, they ask soft-ball useless questions that are designed to not get information. Or, they ask a legitimate question and the person answering does not answer the question and then the journalist just moves on, giving them a pass.
Thank god for the blogs. They are the only place where one can find the truth these days. I wonder if the print journalists see the handwriting on the wall. Their days are numbered.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:24 pmThe majority of the responses here seems to be fro intelligent people...so why are you venting here? Send you comments to NBC and Time, Gregory and Wolffe and the rest of the so-called reporters. Let them know how you feel. If you read between the lines it's obvious that they are not going to read the comments here - even if it is pointed out to them. Put your comments where they'll be more relevant to them. Send your comments to the peopleto whom they report. Assuming of course that this means as much to you as you want us to believe. If Gregory is irrelevant tell him! Most of us here already know it. He's the one living in denial. But, that's just this old curmudgeon's opinion.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:25 pmFebruary 21st, 2007 at 12:27 pm
If politicians could only tell the truth and stop the mind bending psychobabble of idiots like Cheney then maybe things would be different. Comments like "Your either with us or the terrorists" or " A vote for the democrats will enable the terrorists" are about as Orwellian as you can get. Not to mention the BLIND allegience to Israel who had Mossad agents trailing the 9/11 'terrorists', who had foreknowledge of the London bombings, whose AIPAC spying scandal is being suppressed while our 'politicians' are swearing their allegience to this foreign country while sending the tens of Billions of dollars. They sure dont sound like allies to me.
February 21st, 2007 at 12:35 pmHowever Edwards made a fatal mistake by admitting a big truth- Israel is the biggest threat to security and peace in the middle east. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the SINGLE LARGEST PROBLEM in the middle east. It all comes down to 'we won't recognize them because they won't recognize us' and they both want all the land for themselves. By speaking truth Edwards just killed any hopes for his presidential campaign because we are to believe the propoganda from our government- nothing else. When it comes time to rid ourselves of our tyrants will we have to chase them into holes in the ground...........
REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE
February 21st, 2007 at 12:49 pm[...] At the National Press Club yesterday for the press roundtable: [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 1:01 pmBush & Co. don't tolerate any dissenting views, as we all know... as for WH reporters, they are just jealous that other people are doing their jobs for them...
February 21st, 2007 at 1:02 pmSo, in these fellows' reckoning, Larry King is the paradigm of journalism. He just asks questions and broadcasts the answers.
I confess I've never been to journalism school, so is it the case that discovering the truth is not actually part of the essence of journalism?
Mayhap it's all just the resentful kvetching of dinosaurs who realize that the little mammal-things are about to supplant them as lords of all creation.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:05 pmIs it just my bias or is the presence of the White House Press Secretary on a journalist’s panel ludicrously inappropriate? I have lost a great deal of the respect for David Gregory for: 1) sitting on this panel with Snow, which obviously skewed the conversation 2) taking that condescending, dismissive view of the blogosphere who are his competitors. He is not in Russert/Matthews/Freidman/Brooks territory yet, but he may have applied for a visa.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:06 pmTo the Editors at Newsweek:
Richard Wolffe's comments at the National Press Club stating what a wonderful job the US press does in asking questions of the Bush Administration is laughable. The fawning white house press corps is shameful. Stretch and Tony Snow sitting buddy buddy at the Press Club and Tony calling on Mr. Wolffe to bolster his case against blogs is a perfect example of the miserable alliance among the Washington insiders. Give us a break and do some real reporting instead of gushing like teenagers on the red carpet at the Oscars. It's so nauseating.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:24 pmIs it just my bias or is the presence of the White House Press Secretary on a journalist’s panel ludicrously inappropriate?
Comment by jaf #284
jaf,
After having gotten away with the SUPREME COURT SELECTION (along party lines) of '00...
...Cheney/Halliburton...
...and others too numerous to list here...
...the criminal Bushite junta...
...never met a conflict-of-interest...
...that it couldn't pull off...
February 21st, 2007 at 1:35 pmYeah,
February 21st, 2007 at 1:39 pmThese cowards/traitors who pose as "journalists" are just hilarious. I would like to see the picture where David Gregory gently blows Tony Snow, after one of their little staged press conference spats. The bloggers, and the people who read and post on them, are hateful and pissed off at these ass-hats who DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THEIR JOB IS, LET ALONE ACTUALLY DOING THEIR JOB. The time for being nice, talking respectfully, to these scum is LONG over. I freely and willfully advocate violence against all of these FUCKS that are destroying our country.
Thank God for the bloggers. The reason we need them is because the WH press corps have turned into a bunch of lazy, pandering pussies. Think of how much crucial information has been discovered & disseminated via blogs in the past few years and imagine what would have happened if it hadn't.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:46 pm#278
The Old Curmudgeon makes a very good point.
If you decide to do this - and you should - one very important thing you'll want to do is also send a copy of your dissent to someone like (for example) Keith Olberman, Jay Bookman at the Atlanta Journal Constitution, E.J. Dionne and/or William Raspberry at the Washington Post, Bob Hubert and/or Paul Krugman at the New York Times, or Jack Cafferty at CNN.
If you just send it to these guys (Snow, Gregory, Carlson, Wolfe, etc.) and they don't take well to the criticism - they may simply delete it if they see that it is addressed only to them. If they know their colleagues are reading it too - they may be more inclined to read the whole thing. And if not, at least you've made your point to a like minded person in the media by including the others.
I hear that spam filters cut out addresses that are part of the "cc:" section - so put the alternative addresses in the "to:" section along with the original addressee.
Last, some of these people can only be reached through the self-contained email functions on their firm's site. In this case, just type your views and notify them that you are sending a copy to one or more of their colleagues.
And then do so.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:59 pmPerhaps both Snow and Gregory should read a little U.S. history.
History tells us that politcal rancor and polarization in the United States (like in this comment thread) is the rule, not the exception. Some examples:
And then there is the particularly divisive 1860 election, when we, as a country, actually decided to spend the post election environment literally shooting and killing over 600,000 of our fellow citizens.
One is tempted to suggest that unity, political civility, and polite debate is downright Un-American.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:03 pmbecause it’s the internet and the blogs that have really used this White House press conferences to somehow support positions out in America, political views
The blogs could be viewed as a giant unedited "letters-to-the-editor" section of the internet. It is the voice of most of the people, which is what the government is supposed to represent.
If the people are at odds with the MSM and the Feds, it is not the internet's fault.
February 21st, 2007 at 2:24 pmI got the Clinton Admin deaths per year from here
http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2007/02/quote_of_the_day_military_deat.php
February 21st, 2007 at 3:20 pmYou can shoot the messenger or you can do your job. These reporters and Snowjob need to QUIT whining! My god. The first amendment of the constitution was written specifically to give the press the POWER to challenge the government and they are claiming it's not their job?! That is the saddest excuse of resorting to the easy way out of claiming it's "not your job" I've ever seen.
When are today's reporters going to learn that objectivity doesn't mean believing everything you hear? If you think you might getting BS'ed, you need to investigate it. That IS your job and, quite possibly, the most important job in this country.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:21 pmRichard Wolffe has consistently disappointed not only me but the people of America who listen to his shameless toadying to CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies just for the sake of keeping his job by kissing and sucking up to power in order to garner a few morsels of what he considers to be pertinent "news" but which is just rehashing the nonsense, the psychobabble gobbledygook that Tony Snow, Wolffe's "friend" spews out on a daily basis. Wolffe had the arrogance to say he is doing a "fantastic job"--yes, it is a fantastically BAD and INEPT job he is doing of keeping Americans informed about what is really going on in the white house and not using the best journalistic skills of getting to the TRUTH and calling the white house and his "friend" Snow on CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies' obfuscation, prevarication, and downright bold-faced lies to the American People. That is not asking journalists like Wolffe to have political agendas or be activists--that is simply asking them to DO THEIR JOB and get to the TRUTH, not repeat the lies of CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies!
February 21st, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhen Wolffe criticizes the bloggers for creating a poisonous athmosphere of partisanship and expecting so-called "journalists" like himself to dig for facts and reveal the TRUTH therein, he shows his fundamental ignorance of the raison d'etre, the reason or justification for existing at all--to dig for and reveal the truth behind CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies' lies. If Wolffe doesn't like bloggers telling him how to do his job, he should bloody well DO his job and hold Snow and Bush to account for their contradictory statements and downright lies instead of trying to smear the blogosphere, which is in effect DOING the job the mainstream media like Wolffe are NOT!
Hehe. Tony Snow states the obvious about some blogs and you howl "Freedom of speech is being violated"
The Democrats propose being back the so-called Fairness Doctrine.. and nary a word.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:27 pm[...] Watch Video [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 3:29 pm"And they will clip and digitize portions of these briefings to fit into their particular argument.â€
Isn't this what the MSM does in their news coverage? Doesn't the MSM pick and choose what politician or government spokesman that they want to feature on their news programs or in their articles and then select only certain statements? Until the Democrats won control of Congress, their statements on many issues were often completely ignored by the MSM.
And Gregory accuses bloggers of having a political agenda. (Alleged) reporter, question thyself.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:30 pmIt appears to be a game to them and they do not seem to like the average American very much from the way they talk about us. I felt scorn, ridicule and disdain from Snow and Gregory . Not as hard to lie and misinform people if you loath them, I guess.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:37 pmDr: Dont flatter yourself. My work so rudely intruded.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:38 pmhttp://the-gathering-storm.blogspot.com/2007/02/storm-track-infiltration-muslim_21.html
The latest institutional jihad of the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), who has issued new guidelines for the treatment of Islamic children in state schools, is not the first blatant attempt at dimmifying Britain.
The British, part of the European Union, should have paid heed in 1990 when “The Muslim Manifesto: A Strategy for Survival†was promulgated to create the Council of British Muslims to act as “a Muslim parliamentâ€.
You can see the entire manifesto here. Here are some excerpts.
Britain’s Muslim Manifesto made it clear that “Political and cultural subservience goes against their grain†because “at its inception Islam created a political platform from which Muslims were to launch themselves on a global role as founders of great states, empires and a world civilization and culture.â€
According to the UK’s Muslim Manifesto, “The fact is that a Muslim woman cannot be a western woman.†The problem for Muslims in Great Britain was that “There are laws on the British Statute Book that are in direct conflict with the laws of Allah.â€
“We are Muslims first and last.â€
“Jihad is a basic requirement of Islam and living in Britain or having British nationality by birth or naturalization does not absolve the Muslim from his or her duty to participate in jihad: this participation can be active service in armed struggle abroad and/or the provision of material and moral support to those engaged in such struggle anywhere in the world.â€
“Islam is our guide in all situations.â€
The power of this manifesto became clear when on July 7, 2005, born-and-bred Muslim British citizens killed their own British neighbors in London’s subways and buses.
Assimilation, according to the Manifesto, wasn’t even an option. Why need it be? By the early 1990s, there were already about 1,000 mosques in Great Britain, many of them former Anglican churches that had been abandoned and sold to Muslims. As is the case of France today, the Manifesto recommended that “The Muslim community may have to define ‘no go’ areas where the exercise of ‘freedom of speech’ against Islam will not be tolerated.â€
Remember, this manifesto was written back in 1990. Did they plan their work? Yes. Are they working their plan? Ditto.
The next time you want to mock the “fundamentalist†Christians, famed for their patriotism, think again.
The next time you shrug when you hear your local school system has banned the playing or singing of Christmas carols, think again.
The next time you are inclined to say or think unkind things about American or Israeli Jews, think again.
The next time your neighborhood, community or city yields to some new Islamic demand to conform to their “religious†rules, think again.
The next time you read demands that something not be published or aired in America because it offends Muslim sensibilities, think again.
The next time anyone tells you that Islam preaches tolerance or peace, think again.
This is how nations and ultimately western civilization will quietly pass in a whimper of voluntary dhimmitude and not in a bang of resistance.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:40 pmhttp://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Blackfive/~3/93938813/when_chaplains_.html
When the Chaplains Speak Out...
blackfive@gmail.com (Pundit Review Radio) 2/21/2007 2:25 PM
Via Tanker Brothers (brat), I received an email from a Chaplain (COL) who has been making his rounds in Iraq and Afghanistan - his email is about our politicians. You know the disregard that the military holds for our White Flag Republicans and Defeatist Democrats is really bad when even the chaplain has something to say about it...
I believe what SGT [redacted] says is correct as I have found few if any soldiers ready to do what the democrats seem to want. I've been tardy writing my own letter because I wanted to give myself time to see and hear from more soldiers to be sure I had an understanding of what they were really thinking. Well, I'm ready to write another letter and after reading what this NCO says wanted to give you a little bit of a heads up to part of what I will say. SGT [redacted] is typical when he says he's not willing to question anyone's patriotism. But treason; yes I think most soldiers feel betrayed by our elected officials in both houses of congress.
How? They listen to the incessant chatter of the politicians how they support what we do and wouldn't want to do anything that would hurt them. But you see, that is just it, they haven't given us everything we need to do the job. As much as we need the money and equipment, we need the moral and emotional support of our people and elected officials, otherwise the ground is cut out from under us. This is what too many Americans fail to realize, what their military needs right now is the moral and emotional support to finish the job. The soldiers, marines, airmen, and sailors on the front line know what they see and that a lot of good things are happening in their area. They can see the opportunity for victory. But when all we hear is how much our people hate what we are doing, and want us out before the job is complete, it causes some in the military to begin questioning whether we should even be here, in spite of the good things they see. After all, who wants to risks their life for a conflict no one back home cares about? Once that way of thinking takes hold of a military, they are compromised as a fighting force. And I understand our senators, congress people, and media sitting in their comfortable little offices in their ivory towers would deny that is their intent. Deny as they may though, that is precisely what they are doing to the United States military.
The bottom line, measured by the number of attacks daily, things are improving in Baghdad and Al Anbar Province. Since those are the last two places that have to be pacified for is to stabilize Iraq we know we can win the war. The question is not can we win this war, it is do the American people have the will to win?
If you feel as the good Chaplain does, go on over to the Victory Caucus and join our effort to support pro-victory politicans and candidates.
By the way, the Chaplain echoes my first blog entry at the Victory Caucus where I wrote (with regards to my favorite Thucydides quote that Athens was built by men who knew their duty and had the courage to do it):
Of course, we can't really begin to proceed to a real victory until, like our soldiers, the majority of our politicians know their duty and have the courage to do it.
February 21st, 2007 at 3:54 pm"Of course, we can’t really begin to proceed to a real victory until,"......victory is really defined?
February 21st, 2007 at 4:10 pm[...] [Bonus! Check out Tony’s fag-bands. Yeah, rad - Lance Armstrong’s dead you fag! Go teach at a fucking prep school! -ed.] Think Progress . February 21, 2007 [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pmwow vince - that 1-2 punch of pure jingoism actually made me puke
i feel bad for you, cause there's no way on earth in hell or heaven that the world (or our country) is ever going to be .001% the way you think it ought to be. all you're doing here is talking yourself blue in the keyboard and prompting a lot of insults.
February 21st, 2007 at 5:11 pmThe hate bloggers because they know that the BLOGS kill the MSM.
Journalists no longer exist with the MSM bitches.
The BLOGS have more respect now more than the MSM.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:45 pmI think Tony should start his doghouse list with Drudge, the unofficial pioneer of political blogging (and a bullshit-spewing rightie)
Oh My Goodness!!!! Is Tony, et al, practicing some of the "selective outrage" that we're getting accused of daily around here??? Where was the indignance of the "journalistic community" a few years ago while Drudge was becoming such a go-to source for gop muckrakers and "propaganda-launchers"(to borrow a term coined by the Dubbie himself).
I think so!! - Righties are outraged when a lefty tells them to get F'ed, but it's ok for Ann Coulter to call for killings and so on.....what a weak, weak double-standard they accept, but, that's who they are, and that's how they've always operated.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:23 pm[...] Think Progress » Tony Snow and White House Reporters Slam The ‘Hateful,’ ‘Polarized’ Blogos... “They want us to play a role that isn’t really our role. Our role is to ask questions and get information. … It’s not a chance for the opposition to take on the government and grill them to a point where they throw their hands up and surrender. (tags: White+House Snow bloggers journalism stupidity) [...]
February 21st, 2007 at 11:19 pmWe're in this fcking Iraq mess because the MSM didn't do their jobs. Case closed!
February 21st, 2007 at 11:40 pmTony Snow and White House Reporters Slam The ‘Hateful,’ ‘Polarized’ Blogosphere...
In a press roundtable at the National Press Club, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow led a discussion with White House correspondents about the impact of the internet on their respective jobs. Their conclusion? They don’t like being challenged by ...
February 21st, 2007 at 11:42 pm"Let them know how you feel. If you read between the lines it’s obvious that they are not going to read the comments here"
Nah--
Any time you write to such delusional fools as these (or their employers), they'll no doubt look at it as 'fan mail', even when it is critical.
The fact that these MSM whores have to hold a formal discussion with their colleagues, at their little 'club', to proffer their sainted opinions says a LOT (what, to each other? on tape? surely some egotistical moron will be capturing this for posterity...) ...
Like, it should tell you that they're running scared because of comments here.
(Note that "here" is defined generally, as in "The Blogosphere", not meant to endorse this particular blog)....
So...maybe...if these clowns want to quit losing audience share, they should quit acting like so many little lap-dogs, and start acting like the "professionals" that they supposedly are.
When 'blogs' can uncover more actual news on a shoestring budget than your "mainstream media, owned by multi-mega-conglomerates-with-gazillions-in-the-bank", the problem is obvious--and it's not the bloggers' problem now, is it?
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 amUnity08 and fellow travelers Tony Snow and David Gregory promote Un-American activities....
This gem by way of QandO blog and Think Progress... Gregory and Snow agree that the blogosphere has exacerbated these new extremes of "hateful" partisan "polarization" in American politics. QandO and ThinkProgress take umbrage and say it's not the...
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:48 amRedwing would prefer the people in Iraq live under the rule of Saddam and deal with UN Sanctions for 20 + Years. I wonder who the real dicator is?
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:24 am[...] Tony Snow and White House Reporters Slam The ‘Hateful,’ ‘Polarized’ Blogosphere In a press roundtable at the National Press Club tonight, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow led a discussion with White House correspondents about the impact of the internet on their respective jobs. Their conclusion? They don’t like being challenged by blogs. [...]
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:39 amThe real dictators are living it up in Saudi Arabia, where the King was chosen by Allah and has total rule over everyone and everything.
You know, the country where female Service Members are required to wear a burkha and cannot drive because Pres. Bush has sold his soul to them for oil.
Pres. Bush's reason du jour for attacking Iraq at one time was "he's a dictator" and he killed his own people.
I guess he decided to shove his head in the ground (or up his a$$) when he had to think about Saudi Arabia, where the exact same thing has gone on for decades.
Republicans pick & choose their evils, and curry favors with other evils based on the power they provide.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:51 am[...] does a fantastic job of adhering to journalistic standards and covering politics in general.” Think Progress quotes the rest of his pithy complaint from there (emphasis theirs). Richard Wolffe, White House [...]
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 am[...] Posted by dan20 on February 22nd, 2007 Think Progress | Feb. 21, 2007 [...]
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 pmSo, the MSM is afraid of losing access? Losing access to what? What do they think they have access to now? Serious stuff? Truth in any form? No. Just face time on the TeeVee.
Arrogant, gluttonous pricks.
Ask questions. Demand answers. Otherwise, get off the airwaves.
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:26 pmWhere is Lee Harvey Oswald when you need him ?
February 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 am[...] Knocks Blogs Posted on 2/21/2007 7:02 PM by brianrApprove (7) | Reject (0) | My vote: None Think Progress You can watch the video clip through the link... NBC News’ David Gregory bemoaned how [...]
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