Coalition no longer willing.
By on Feb 21st, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Coalition no longer willing.
When Britain and Denmark withdraw their troops from the U.S.-led coalition, just 22 nations will continue to have a presence in Iraq. Forty-nine nations originally made up the coalition.
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Even fools go to school…
February 21st, 2007 at 6:14 pmWell at least Togo is still in.
Freedom on the March!
February 21st, 2007 at 6:15 pmWe have met the enemy and it is us.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:18 pmWell at least we still have Fiji on board
Freedom on the march!!
February 21st, 2007 at 6:21 pmLike katy said earlier:
The Coalition of the Leaving.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:21 pm“The Coalition of the Leaving”…give me a break. How about “The Coalition of those Who Never Should have Been there In the First Place?”
February 21st, 2007 at 6:27 pmGee, we bought off a number of prostitute governments so that we could claim a “coalition” and now they are moving on to the next john now that they know that the well is going to go dry.
Business as usual…
February 21st, 2007 at 6:28 pmHow about “the coalition of the killing” based on a pack of lies?
February 21st, 2007 at 6:29 pmThe Coalition of the Leaving.
Comment by Zooey
Personally, I thought it was The Coalition of “WTF Did We Get Into?”
February 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmThere are only a few who actually believe this war is a good thing. Unfortunately those few are the ones pulling the strings. At least this generation learned what it is like to have a madman running the country.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmComment by Zooey #5
Yeah Zooey,
katy made a funny…
…a serious one…
… no doubt… :)
February 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmCoalition of the shilling?
February 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmApologies again for some of my Anti American statements in the last fews days – I just visited the site after a short break – Just giving you some feedback from a European Stance
America is beautiful But it has an Ugly Side – Neil Young
Peace and Goodnight to all who have read “The Celestian Prophecy” by James Redfield or anyone who knows the ten insights without having to read the book
And from now I’m going to stay on my medication , marry my fiance of 18 years at a pagan wedding ceremony buy “a pet goat” to read to my children
Goodnight http://www.clipjunkie.com/Beer-enima-vid86.html
February 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmTobey that was disgusting. I can’t beleive jackass didn’t think of it first.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:37 pmTobey be yourself. If you hate America, so be it.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pm“The Coalition of the Leavingâ€â€¦give me a break. How about “The Coalition of those Who Never Should have Been there In the First Place?â€
Comment by Xenon
Dude, I’m just quoting katy. I agree with you. Don’t jump down my throat.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmThe Brits used to have 40000 troops in iraq. They only have 7000 now. How is this all of a sudden of a breakdown of the coalition of the willing?
February 21st, 2007 at 6:42 pmAnd from now I’m going to stay on my medication , marry my fiance of 18 years at a pagan wedding ceremony buy “a pet goat†to read to my children
Comment by Tobey Tall
Good ideas, Tobey. I understand your passion, but you’ve been making me sick lately. You’ll understand if I don’t look at your link….
February 21st, 2007 at 6:44 pmMando,
They are completely leaving, thats the story. Zip, no more presense.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:44 pmNo Seriously I have met some nice americans in person and should remember that and treat you guys with more respect – this is not a republican site
February 21st, 2007 at 6:46 pmThat link was a mistake I was on messenger to somebody else forgot it was in my clipboard , two windows up at the same time . typing frantically
February 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pmgoodnight
February 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pmNite Tobester!~!
February 21st, 2007 at 6:50 pmhey, at least the terrorists will follow them back to their homelands and not ours… right?
February 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pmBesides Tobey, being from the UK, you dont have too much to brag about , right? I mean, you have the greatest drug dealer in history, Queen Victoria, just ask the chinese, your pirates were named “Sir”, your World Cup in 1966 was the biggest scandal until Korea-Japan 2002, I mean, come on, England winning a World Cup, yeah; you have enslaved more people than Rome, you made a war recently against a developed country (Argentina) for some tiny piece of land that is not yours, you have India, etc, etc, etc.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:55 pmAs American forces stand up, the forces of the coalition of the willing stand down.
February 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmGeorge W. Bush and Dick Cheney are confirming our strategy.
-The Al Qaeda Types
February 21st, 2007 at 6:58 pmOops, sorry…developing country…
February 21st, 2007 at 6:59 pmLiberal /Progressives ALL…
…at a time when we have the right wing fascists practicing political cannabalism…
…let’s not follow suit…
February 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pmAnother(Denmark) one bites the dust!!! And another one(Britain) bites the dust!!! And another one(Lithuania next?) bites the dust!!!
February 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pmmandolin: “How is this all of a sudden of a breakdown of the coalition of the willing?”
Evidently, someone needs to state the obvious: when the largest partner in a “coalition” announces that they’re pulling out their troops, your “coalition” is, by definition, losing strength. Just give it up, cultist. There never really was much of a coalition. It was always the American military with a little help here and there. Why do you cultists persist in acting like nothing’s wrong when we’re dealing with the worst foreign policy blunder in history?
February 21st, 2007 at 7:04 pmHey Juan, if you want to start flinging historical shots at Britain, and you’re from virtually any country in South America, in my book, you need to explain why so many Nazi’s lived out their lives peacefully down there after WWII. I read where Dr. Mengele had quite a life for himself down there after years of performing strange experiments on jewish, polish and gypsy children. What the hell were you people thinking giving safe harbor to a bunch of inhuman nazis???!!!
February 21st, 2007 at 7:08 pmIt’s ironic this lame administration of ours has the audacity to still call this a surge or escalation or anything implying an increase. all that’s really being accomplished is more US troops are replacing the troops of our ‘allies’ who are now leaving because they’re smart enough to recognize the absurdity of the situation.
hell, I thought the US was a world leader; seems we’re becoming the last to wake up to reality on many issues – the Iraq war only being one of them.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:08 pmNot only is the coalition no longer willing, neither is the primary nation (that be U.S.) willing except for a minority of war mongering profiteers in said nation.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:14 pmThe breakdown of the “coalition” is that America is 91% of the “coalition”.
Typical Republican fuzzy math.
-GSD
February 21st, 2007 at 7:17 pm#33 chris
ironically this war, i believe, has hastened the decline of United States role as the unchallenged leader of the world. Since the establishment of the EU, it has become apparent that we have competition. If Japan ever gets out of their recession, we are screwed because they are already kicking our butts economically. And China, the slumbering giant of our age, is waking as it turns from a policy of insulation and communism to one of awareness of the international political world a a more capitalistic system.
One can also argue that the tip right of our country is due to these changes, but I don’t think so. We’ve always had societal problems with right wing nut jobs trying to control our country and impose the will of the minority upon the will of the majority … or at the very least, wrapping themselves in that ancient banner called states rights, while revoking those of the states that oppose them.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:19 pmThose that are leaving and have left is more like the coalition of “I Don’t Care What Happens in Iraq”.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:23 pm…let’s not follow suit…
Comment by big papa
I’m sorry, I’m cranky. I’ll go take a happy pill… :P
February 21st, 2007 at 7:23 pmI’m sorry, I’m cranky. I’ll go take a happy pill… :P
Comment by Zooey #38
Feel better soon Zooey…
…we need ya on the front lines…
February 21st, 2007 at 7:26 pmLike katy said earlier:
The Coalition of the Leaving.
Comment by Zooey — February 21, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
just to be sure – i did not make that up… as if…
February 21st, 2007 at 7:27 pmi got it from al franken, who, months ago, came up with a contest and this was his favorite, and he used it alot on his show…
Those that are leaving and have left is more like the coalition of “I Don’t Care What Happens in Iraqâ€.
Comment by Tracy
You must care deeply. When are you heading over there?
–And before you ask, I’m too old.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:29 pmRename it “The Coercion of the Un-Willling” instead of coalition of the willing. “The Coercion of the Un-Willing” is how it has been from the very beginning–ask CHIMPya, the “decider” and he’ll tell you that very fact himself, straight from the horse’s ass!
February 21st, 2007 at 7:32 pmOf course these are the same countries who Tracy has used to throw in our face over the past couple of years as proof that the world CARES about what is happening in Iraq.
Only her friends as long as they have beer.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:33 pmIf ya don’t want to be onboard when george uses his texan muscle against more innocent people in the world, you get get off the boat. Most sensible would just jump. tony half jumped and smashed his brain.
Prodi is glad to say good ridence. France, totally diplomatic, maybe old europe. Chech is willing to accept the w’s bomb. Ditto poland. Denmark, can’t wait to get out. So Korea, respects a long term obligation, but has more important things to do. India and Pakistan have more muscle that anybody wants, but liking each other. Spain, gone and free. the..stans need $$$$$$$$$ for any American with a big wallet, thief, an abramoff, some prince of fortune.
Russia, China, Cuba, and all of South America they just watch.
All of our so called allies in the mideast, well they are authoritarian and would never add fuel to the fire, least oil. they are royal loosers.
Just what has this older generation left to the younger? Pleanty of suv’s and a world of trouble.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:34 pmAh shoot, Tobey’s gone just when I can show him a thing or two:
Tobey: America is beautiful But it has an Ugly Side – Neil Young
February 21st, 2007 at 7:36 pmSorry Tobey, Neil is Canadian – yes he may have US citizenship – but NEIL IS CANADIAN. And I love him!
Comment by Juan C — February 21, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Not to mention the outright criminal enterprise they created in Iran, looting the country four ways form sunday for half a century, then pushing the US to get on board with their coup to install the Shah, which has permanently screwed the US (not that Dulles, Ike and crew are not equally culpable mind you) in the region ever since.
The British created the fictional and arbitrary countries of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc. out of whole cloth after WWI, and with the Balfour declaration, set us on the road to having eternal war in the levant. Thanks UK. Stick to giving the world great musical groups and good comedy shows, and get the fuck off the world stage because you leave disaster in your wake (again, the US is just as bad, but usually following the footsteps of the British and the French in cleaning up after centuries of colonialism and the shit it has wrought the world).
February 21st, 2007 at 7:37 pmIran claims that they have painted their logo onto the side of US ship in the Persian Gulf.
What next, a break dancing competition with the Supreme Allied Commander?
“And the website also quoted the commander claiming that Iran had managed to put the logo of the Revolutionary Guards on the side of an American warship in the Gulf to demonstrate how insecure they were in this region.”
Iran strikes back.
-GSD
February 21st, 2007 at 7:37 pmA little off topic but…
Why is the Clinton camp falling for the corporate al Crackkker Bushite media’s…
…ploy to pull them into political fratricide w/ the Obama group?
The media is clearly fanning the flames of Geffen’s personal remarks…
…and egging the Clinton’s on as they 9Clintonians) characterize them (Geffen’s remarks) as Obama’s doing…
Hillary’s camp is really acting like (B)ush-league novices on this one…
…because they’re jealous of the Obama fundraiser hosted by SKG…
…NOW it seems the internecine political intrigue is spreading to TP…
…Dem/Lib/Progs HAVE to get our acts together…
…if we’re going to keep this momentum against the demon Repulsivescum TRAITORS going…
…otherwise they’ll further divide and carve our dumb a*ses up…
February 21st, 2007 at 7:39 pmComment by Bluedog49 — February 21, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Don’t think Juan Cole is from South America, but thanks for popping Godwin’s Law your maroon.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:42 pm#47 big papa
despite the fact that the right wing is trying to split the democratic party on that, I do not think it will work … it is too early in the race, and would thus give progressives enough time to put everything back together…. and I think Hillary is equally tripping over the right wing traps, and over herself.
Anyway, let the right blow their steam now, and progressives and progressive candidates will have plenty of time to learn their tactics and how to react to them.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:48 pmThe good news is, more Americans died today. More Iraqis were murdered. More munitions were expended. More military equipment was destroyed. More resources were used. More people tortured. More wounded will get the opportunity to visit the Walter Reed Resort. More lives ruined. More profits by the MIC.
This is the real news out of Iraq. I call it “good news” because that’s what I’m told it is. We’re not even bothered with the fake “good news” stories anymore of painting schools, because it’s not even necessary. It has become a blur of misinformation and chaos, but nothing has changed except the labels. Sadly, though, most here already know this.
The only thing that is certain is that tomorrow there will be much more “good news” from Iraq and that the vast majority of Americans will go about their day just like any other.
Goodnight, and good news to you.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:50 pmI don’t accept “Godwin’s Law” as a law. I look at it more as a guideline. Juan was taking shots at Britain. I was pointing out something that annoys me about South America and the people who live there. Now, if Juan is THE Juan Cole, I know he’s an American professor whom I like very much, but I don’t think Juan is that guy. If he is THE Juan Cole, he knows about the history of Nazi’s fleeing to South America much better than I do.
February 21st, 2007 at 7:51 pmComment by katy #40
I like Franken too…
…his book “Lies and the Lying Liars…”
…was really quite entertaining and informative…
…I hope he kicks coleman’s tired a*s…
…I was stunned when he was elected…
….having spent a week in Minneapolis at the downtown Hilton…
…with all of its trendy restaurants and youthful population…
…I really like Minneapolis…
…but won’t go back til coleman is gone and the state goes Blue again (where it belongs)…
February 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmDon’t think Juan Cole is from South America, but thanks for popping Godwin’s Law your maroon.
Comment by lestatdelc
Juan C. is not Juan Cole. Jeez…
**eyes rolling**
February 21st, 2007 at 7:54 pmdespite the fact that the right wing is trying to split the democratic party on that, I do not think it will work
Comment by AshenShard # 49
How prophetic on your part AshenShard…
…CNN just aired a clip of Obama’s response to the Clinton campaign’s charges that his campaign put Geffen up to dissing them…
…Obama in his usual, smooth, unruffled manner said,
“Obviously Mr. Geffen and the Clinton’s have some sort of (conflict) between them. It has nothing to do with our campaign.”
“I have always said that I have the highest respect for Senator clinton. I have considered her an ally in the senate, and will continue to do so throughout this campaign”.
He squashed it… like that…
…aaaaaahhhh…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:00 pm#51,
The Nazis that fled to South America did so because they knew that they could live in comfort and anonymity because everyone (except you, I guess) knows that South America was underdeveloped by “western” standards.
Unlike in the US and Britain, of course, where we were more than willing to look over certain Nazi’s past “indiscretions” so that we could take advantage of their technical, scientific, and Intelligence gathering expertise.
South American’s were ignorant to their exploitation by the few Nazis who hid there.
The US and Britain capitalized on them.
I would rather be naive and innocent than vile and morally bankrupt.
There’s some perspective for you.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:01 pmExxon, Shell, Halliburton, Blackwater Security, George W. Bush, Dick Chainee……
….Coalition of the Drilling…….
February 21st, 2007 at 8:02 pmWhat the hell were you people thinking giving safe harbor to a bunch of inhuman nazis???!!!
Comment by Bluedog49
I completely agree. But thats not the worst thing. We have commited henious things to natives, we just wiped them all. Some of them are still living in provinces (araucanos). We made wars between ourselves (Triple Alliance) with the support of super powers (Spain, Britain and US). We dont support ourselves (In Malvinas war, Chile denied support to Argentina, moved by economic interests, of course).
But, the worst thing ever is to keep our 30% own people below poverty line. Put the most corrupted political class in the government, let our poor people starved each day, be racist against bolivians, peruvians and chileans, etc.
Now, I havent seen the jewish population in Argentina (one of the biggest in the whole world and that has a lot of power in that country) to complain about the entrance of Nazis. Argentina let every one in, every one.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pm“I have always said that I have the highest respect for Senator clinton. I have considered her an ally in the senate, and will continue to do so throughout this campaignâ€.
He squashed it… like that…
…aaaaaahhhh…
Comment by big papa
Now that’s classy.
I’m so proud my youngest is taking a year off school to work on Obama’s campaign. I think he made the right choice with Obama.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:03 pmJuan was taking shots at Britain.
Comment by Bluedog49
No, I wasnt. I was stating historical facts. I didnt do that. UK did. Dont blame me.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:04 pmNo, Im not Juan Cole. Im Juan Cristóbal.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:05 pmIt was probably a difficult decision to go ahead with this post. On the one hand they want to portray waining interest in the war. On the other, they hate to indicate that other countries do and have supported the effort the whole time. Difficult choices for difficult times.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:10 pmComment by Zooey #58
…you’d be right…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by big papa — February 21, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
what remarks by geffen??? i hadn’t heard… link?
thanks…
and, fyi – i really liked franken’s SHOW… his guests and the info was amazing and a HUGE part of my political education… along with randi…
i am REALLY PISSED OFF at XM radio for putting red ed on in al’s old time slot… ed is NOT AirAmericaRadio… THOM HARTMANN is, and he should be on XM/AAR at that time… i turn off my XM then and listen to hartmann on the online stream…
now, there is another amazingly knowledgeable guy… wow… i’ve only heard him on weekend repeat shows… now it’s daily… so smart…
gotta run again… later…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmSouth American’s were ignorant to their exploitation by the few Nazis who hid there.
Comment by Tuber
I appreciate your intention, but Nazis in fact gave part of the money and gold to the South American governments. So, in some sort of way, governments were really aware of who they were.
US and UK didnt allow Nazis but they allowed their technology, military secrets and wealth, of course. Now, South America allowed nazi people and some nazi money. In that sense, you are correct, we are really underdeveloped.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmComment by paul #61
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
…creating reality…
…a right wing Repulsivescum, home schooled, inberd, Bushite trademark since 2000…
…patent pending…
“interest in the war waining (sic)”…
“other countries have supported the war”…
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
poor paul,
carrying around an incestuous recessive gene…
…can be so intellectually and emotionally damaging…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:18 pmoh, and if i were in minnisotta, i would vote for franken…
he’ll make a fine senator…
he definitely needs a speech coach though…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:21 pmHave you hugged your local resident NSA surveillance spy today?
February 21st, 2007 at 8:28 pmHave you hugged your local resident NSA surveillance spy today?
Comment by .n.s.a. gov./form/proj/.n.s.a.s.u.r.
Rachel? Will you take a break this evening?
February 21st, 2007 at 8:33 pmComment by katy #63
check out CNN.com…
…maybe they have a transcript since they aired the remarks during the 7pm Situation Room…
…not a big radio talk show fan…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:35 pm#67……..wretchal..
February 21st, 2007 at 8:36 pmNo, I let ‘er go this morning, didn’t even look before it went down the bowl…
You might call the pResident, I just found out he saves his, he might be interested in another…………
Huh? The Coalition of the Willingâ„¢ only comprises 9% of the forces in Iraq?
LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!! LOL!!!
February 21st, 2007 at 8:36 pm#63 Katy
February 21st, 2007 at 8:54 pmThom Hartmann is GREAT! I used to hear him only on Saturday mornings – I am very happy that he is a regular now on WCPT at 5PM. WCPT carries A/A and other liberal stations.
Franken is very smart, very compassionate, and genuine, but as a radio personality, he needs a speech coach.
Hartmann is also extremely smart, informed, his speech is anecdotal and educational.
Ed Schultz can be compared to Limbaugh in style of speech, but he appeals to Dems and even some repugs. I find I disagree with some of his positions, and I don’t like it when he goes on a tear.
#47 bp and #49 ash
February 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pmI can’t believe what I am seeing on tv today. Camp Hillary attacked Obama for not disavowing a campaign fund raiser. Obama is fighting back, but not stooping to their level. Clinton has some attack dogs working her campaign — we sure don’t need Dems attacking one another. Disagree, yes, but let’s not get nasty! The repugs will have a field day at our expense.
Thankfully it is early and I hope all this blows over, but I sadly expect there will be more to come.
Hillary must feel very threatened by Barack. She is perceived as a hardened politician, so this kind of behavior does not exhibit any softening of the edges or improve her likeability.
Obama has it all over her in that regard.
Clinton would be wise to rein in those attack dogs, apologize for her vote on Iraq, and try to woo voters instead of attacking her opposition.
#58 Zooey,
February 21st, 2007 at 9:07 pmMy co-worker plans to work for Obama should he get the nomination and I will be there with him. Can’t afford to take time from work now, so just contributing $$.
I am pleased to hear that your son is working for him. I think Obama is the “future” and I strongly hope he wins the nomination. I’d like to see him team up with Bill Richardson, who would bring a lot to the table.
Mea culpa.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:12 pmMarie,
Thanks. He’s going to have to go to Washington or Oregon to work on the campaign since I don’t think there will be much enthusiasm in Idaho for someone like Obama. *sigh* Bill Richardson would be an interesting addition to that ticket. He seems to appeal to the left and right.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:15 pm“the Vice President should sit down and shut up while we try to un-shit this bed.â€
Exactly.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 21, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Or, in this case, surgigically extricate a greasy potato in the ass right?
Spudge_I_Have_A_Humongous_Greasy_Potato_Stuck_in_My_Ass
_Boy?
As far as YOU know…???
Heh. Nice hard drive contents. The proper agencies have been alerted PEDOPHILE!
I demand to know where you live so you do not HARM ANYONE ELS’S CHILDREN!!
Are you REGISTERED?
Spudge_Boy?
Are you REGISTERED SCOUNDREL??
PERVERT!!
CHILD MOLESTER!!!
TELL THEM YOUR NAME “Bud” Potato in the ass boy!
OR I WLL!
IT IS BY LAW YOU ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER UPON BEING CONVICTED OF CHILD MOLESTATION CHARGES. HAVE YOU REGISTERED?
I KNOW YOU HAVEN’T.
I AM GOING TO REPORT YOU.
AND THE LOCAL SHERRIFS OFFICE IN YOUR LA COUNTY
I DON’T SEE YOU LISTED SPUDGE_BOY.
WHY NOT?
DO NOT TALK TO THIS MAN IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN!
HE IS A “CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER”
IN LA COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA
NO LISTING……right “Bud” ?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pmSo, Nancy Pelosi has bigger balls than John Kerry?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 21, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
As …”far as you know”
February 21st, 2007 at 9:41 pmmarie – about red ed s., check this out… it started with this:
from sam seder show blog – http://www.bluestateblogs.com/majorityreport/archives/2007/02/wow_1.php
then he follows up with this, lots of links, catch the video of ed (”Someone sent me a link…”) -
http://www.bluestateblogs.com/majorityreport/archives/2007/02/an_open_letter_1.php
i was amazed at ed’s rant… i don’t know why XM has him on in al’s old time slot – where thom hartmann SHOULD be, especially since HE is part of AAR lineup and ed isn’t… i’ve written to all concerned but it seems set… i don’t remember being warned… but i listen to thom now on the internet for those 3 hours, which is a drag cause i can’t take my imac with me… but i will NOT turn on red ed.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:46 pm…
Back on topic - This is one of the most disingenuous blurbs TP has ever posted. Having listened to Tony Blair address Parliament explain the positive situation in Basra, it was easy to understand why he might think 1800 troops might be able to be rotated out. (Blair understand the fluidity of the situation and his plans depend on the demonstrated competence of the Iraqi security forces.)
IF Blair announced a troop increase, TP would be shrieking that the war was “going badly” and/or “we can’t win”. Progressives seem to bleat the same thing no matter what.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:48 pmWe’re extremely lucky to have Thom Hartmann here in Portland. If you’re interested, take a look at this profile of him from Monday’s Oregonian.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/stories/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1171914903257120.xml&coll=7
February 21st, 2007 at 9:54 pmWho the fu*ck do you think you are hippy? What in the fu*ck in Jesus name are you angrily vomiting that shi*t about our #2 in charge man.
I am from the very deep South and we love yanks even far north and west as Cheney’s home state. You gawd damnned “yellow-belly†yanks better crawl back under your Circu-Circus pizza box and smoke some more crack that you attain from your swelfare chack every month.
Got that CRAkKeR?
Well do ya punkass white yank ass shitball faggo lezbo hom pinko faggotic grabbasstic piece of civilian slime traitorous peter-puffer smack ass big wally suckin aids infested hippy ass bitch!!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:55 pmProgressives seem to bleat the same thing no matter what.
Comment by valiant venus
Much like yourself…..
*yawn*
February 21st, 2007 at 9:56 pm#79 Katy,
February 21st, 2007 at 10:02 pmI heard the rant last week, and I checked out your link and several others at the time. I was very, very upset with Ed – it reminds me of the Clinton attacks on Obama — there are enough people who want to divide and conquer, we don’t have to help them. I often don’t agree with Schultz on political issues either. He used to be a republican (15 years ago) and changed after he met his wife, who altered his perspective. But there are reasons why certain adages are timeless, and it’s because they’re true: leopards do not change their spots.
I listen to Ed on the AM because it’s on at work, but I wrote to WCPT and asked them to consider Hartmann in that time slot, when I heard Al might leave.
But I hear you, Katy, and I do not disagree. I try to convince myself that his voice (and large market) may persuade some voters to come to Obama’s side, because he is a fan.
Lol some of those nations just have a couple hundred troops or less and are just there for show to make it look like Bush has partners.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:10 pmThanks, #81 – That was very interesting.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:12 pmre#64 Juan C
US and UK didnt allow Nazis but they allowed their technology, military secrets and wealth, of course.
Not true, because I saw a documentary about the Nazi scientists who created those German rockets, who ended up working right here in the good ole USA in the space program!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:15 pmHeard this tonight on TV — made me think of how it is the polar opposite of the boy-king Bush, and the hatred he has fomented around the world, not to mention the mess he has made domestically. He’s personally doing his best that our children will have it worse.
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pmThomas Paine
Katy, Zooey, Marie. I rarely get a chance to agree with you, but here goes. Many on the left are waking up to what conservatives have know about the Clinton’s for a long time. You are right about her. All you have to do is listen to Geffen, watch her waffle on Iraq waiting for the next political wind to blow, watch the code pink video, and see how she responses to Obama. It’s obviously the liberal’s choice to make, but if you’re wondering who’s more likely to get republicans to stay home in November, it’s Barack. His politics are as liberal as it gets, but at least you get the feeling he stands for something. In a very jaded world, that still matters. Good Luck.
P.S. I probably still won’t stay home.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:34 pmIf there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Thomas Paine
Here’s Hillary’s answer to Tom Paine:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said today that President Bush’s expectation that his successor would inherit the problems in Iraq was “the height of irresponsibility” and that Americans “should expect him to extricate our country” from the war there before he leaves office in early 2009.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:39 pmAnd didn’t Bush use this as an example as “This shows things are better in Iraq?”
February 21st, 2007 at 10:39 pmProgressives seem to bleat the same thing no matter what.
Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
You’ve been listening to Michael Savage for too long. The whole Sheeple (Derived from the Zionist Hebrew slur for non-jews) is tiresome, and it marks you as an extremist and a fool. Like anyone couldn’t see that, with this latest mark.
Tell me Mighty Aphrodite, have you had your tic-tac today? You seem calorie and logic deprived as usual Mighty Anorexic.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:48 pmDr. Condoleezza Rice: magnificently accomplished and educated woman; brilliant scholar; concert pianist; gracious lady; presidential confident and trusted advisor; dedicated public servant; political giant and National Security Advisor to The President of the United States of America. And now, Secretary of State of the most powerful country on the planet. The first African-American female Secretary of State in our history.
Why would such an accomplished American woman be so savagely and viciously trashed and dishonored by the liberal elites and the left-wing Democratic Party? Not only trashed, but insulted, bad-mouthed, ridiculed and humiliated.What does a girl have to do to win the accolades and approval of these people?
Condi Rice has garnered the scorn of her Democratic colleagues, not because of what she has accomplished, but because of who and what she is. She is a black American, who is guilty of an unspeakable crime in liberal eyes.Her crime? She does not worship at the altar of the Democratic Party. Condi Rice has committed the unpardonable sin.She has dared to carve out her own political path while black.
And so has any black American sinned who dares to look the Democratic Party in their face and say, “You are wrong. I don’t need you.I don’t want you.I can do better than youâ€. And so she has.
The Democrats haughtily assume they own black America and their votes.They ridicule and belittle any black who dares to wander off their liberal “plantationâ€.
They think any black American who seeks a life free of Democratic ownership, is stupid, ignorant, uneducated and misinformed. Condi Rice, in particular, has been labeled a bald-faced liar, a puppet, a sycophant, and a mindless, thoughtless, robotic, brainwashed slave of George W. Bush. In their eyes, any black who dares to snub the Democrats is a traitor.
Countless cartoons and articles have insulted and offended her and her blackness in ways we have not seen since the pre-Civil War south.
Condi Rice dared to tell the Democratic owners that she believes the conservative mindset is her home. She dares to be a black Republican. And so they savaged her.
The liberal elites cry foul! She is black and not allowed to be a conservative! She is beholden to them, and only them, for the freedom she has attained. They own her and she has not paid them back for the favors they bestowed upon her and her people. Not only is she uppity, she is ungrateful!
The Democratic Party is the party of Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Grand Dragon in the Ku Klux Klan. This pitiful excuse for a human being still throws the “N†word around like it is butter, and is never corrected by his liberal cronies. This sad, pathetic man has the blind hubris to say Condi Rice is not fit to serve, when he himself is not fit, nor shall he ever be fit, to walk the hallowed halls of Congress.
Bulletin to Democratic liberals: Condi Rice owes you nothing. Clarence Thomas, who your leader, the disgraceful Harry Reid, called “an embarrassment to the courtâ€, owes you nothing.You don’t own them anymore.They are not beholden to you for anything.Stings, doesn’t it?
But isn’t that the country you’ve always preached about? At least until someone dares to leave your plantation. Then you turn back the clock and call them lying buffoons who don’t have enough sense to hold high office; too stupid to see that George Bush is a war mongering fraud.
And this same fraud just happens to be bringing freedom to a tyrannized people and is changing the face of the planet we live on; something you people have never even thought about doing and wouldn’t have the courage of conviction or the stomach to do it anyway.
And not one of you, not Robert Byrd, not Barbara Boxer, not Ted Kennedy and not Harry Reid is fit to tie Dr. Condoleezza Rice’s shoelaces.
Get over yourselves. The slaves have been freed. Get used to it. And in case you hadn’t noticed, they were freed by a Republican. His name was Abraham Lincoln.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmHello, TP Admins, would you please relieve this PST (Piss-Soaked-Troll) of her shitting rights on this site.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 amCITIZENSHIP Democracy:
A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of “direct” expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic–negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy
CITIZENSHIP Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the “standard form” of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of
(1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.
Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.
Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the “direct” rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They “made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic.”
“Did I say “republic?” By God, yes, I said “republic!” Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive.”
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:40 amThe Coalition of Getthing The Hell Out of Dodge…
From Think Progress:blockquoteCoalition no longer willing. When Britain and Denmark withdraw their troops from the U.S.-led coalition, just 22 nations will continue to have a presence in Iraq. Forty-nine nations originally made up the coalition./blockq…
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:12 amNo.
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:00 amBack on topic – This is one of the most disingenuous blurbs TP has ever posted. Having listened to Tony Blair address Parliament explain the positive situation in Basra, it was easy to understand why he might think 1800 troops might be able to be rotated out. (Blair understand the fluidity of the situation and his plans depend on the demonstrated competence of the Iraqi security forces.)
IF Blair announced a troop increase, TP would be shrieking that the war was “going badly†and/or “we can’t winâ€. Progressives seem to bleat the same thing no matter what.
Comment by valiant venus — February 21, 2007
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Huh? What “positive situation in Basra”?
Excerpt from: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070221/1/46u3y.html
Strange definition of “positive situation” if you ask me.
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:19 amIraq: More nations plan pull-out
Denmark announced that it would withdraw its ground troops serving under British command in Basra, as other countries review their participation in the coalition force.
Lithuania, which has 53 soldiers in Iraq serving alongside the Danish battalion, also said it was considering a pull-out.
The Romanian Defence Minister said that Bucharest would take a decision on the presence of its 600 soldiers in Iraq, mostly serving under British command, in the next few days. But President Traian Basescu, who is also under pressure to announce a withdrawal timetable, warned that a hasty pull-out of the international coalition forces “would cause chaos and the division of Iraq”.
Poland has already announced that it will bring home its 900 troops by the end of the year, and Italy, Spain, Ukraine, Japan and New Zealand have already withdrawn their troops.
South Korea, which has a contingent of 2,300 troops in the northern city of Arbil, intends to withdraw half by April, and its parliament is calling for a complete pull-out by the end of the year.
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February 22nd, 2007 at 3:47 amMore news about the “positive situation in Basra”…
Excerpt from: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1418903.ece
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:22 am
Sheesh rachel, give it a rest.
Your BS is falling on deaf ears here.
Go to somewhere like FreeRepublic, where they wholeheartedly welcome such nonsense.
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:24 amMore info on the “positive situation in Basra”…
Excerpt…
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:31 am
Yes, south american governments helped nazis to relocate there, some willingly, and others by ignoring them. But don’t forget, most of these governments giving shelter to them willingly were strongly tilted to the right, or most frequently, dictatures, supported by the Munroe Doctrine.
And, even nowadays, try to find anyone who wants to hide in South America. Nearly impossible.
And what was the USA excuse to have Von Braun and many others? The Red Scare.
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:26 amIn June ‘05 it was 85% US Troops.
Now it’s 91%
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:44 amIt is really the “Coalition of the Skeedaddling”.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 amHillary must feel very threatened by Barack.
Comment by Marie #73
She is Marie…
…and the corporate Bushite media (especially CNN) is trying their best to fan the flames…
…in spite of Obama’s classy response (and attempt to squash it)…
…Those basta*ds are downright gleeful and are using misleading phrases in their propaganda like…
…”Obama’s camp lashed back”…
…that’s an out and out mischaracterization…
…and NOW they’re trying to throw Bill Richardson and John edwards into the fray as well…
…the MSM is CLEARLY attempting to CREATE a story out of this…
…Dems should be very careful here…
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:03 amYea, Rachel we are really suffering up here in Canada from our “advanced agenda”. I even let Gord and Rick babysit my children last night when I went out to get my medical marijuana and my over- the-counter non-prescription codeine. Yeah! Lots of pain up here Rachel.
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 amBTW Rachel, you only wish you had the the violent crime rate throughout America like Toronto, Ontario, Canada. About 80 murders last year in a city of 3 million. I guess we are all just crazy doped up fag gangstas up here with our “advanced agenda”.
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 am#103 – RE: Hillary v. Barack. Why would Hillary’s communications director, Howard Wolfson, demand an apology from Barack Obama and return of the $$$ from the glitzy fundraiser for Obama hosted by Geffen? Seems like Wolfson should call on Geffen. (You think Geffen may know a few things you don’t? I was surprised many left-wing sites left out the following quote from Maureen Dowd’s piece, ‘Everybody in politics lies. But they do it with such ease, it’s troubling.’)
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 am#55 “look over certain Nazi’s past “indiscretions†so that we could take advantage of their technical, scientific, and Intelligence gathering expertise.”
Intelligence gathering methods being the one that is still in use today. Follow the trail back to Preston (Hitlers banker) Bush, to CIA (established using Nazi agents) daddy Bush, and now to retard george w bush (torturer bush).
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 amAs for American troops up from 85% to 91%, well, it looks like your winning.
How long could the “Coalition of the Coerced” be kept together?
Rachel,
You’re as dim witted and immature as your posts are long, boring, and totally off topic.
Please, find somewhere else to post your verbal diahrrea.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:36 pm#43
They must have stopped caring.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm#43
If those that plan on withdrawing are doing so because they no longer support getting Iraq in order….then they are the ones that belong in the coalition of “I Don’t Care What Happens in Iraqâ€.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:54 pmThis is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 pmYou guys rock…….by that i mean only those who oppose the war….
I dont care about what opinion polls say, i dont have time for all those people who suddenly changed there mind and jumped ship, its just pathetic..
Ok I accept that this is my opinion and that you may not agree with its values but this is how i see, I apologise if i burst anyones bubbles.
First off lets go to the beginning of war, yes the reasons why we went may have been 50% truth but that is a well justified 50%! Everyone is ranting on how its so bad over there at the moment, we shouldnt have gone, to many allied soldiers are gettin killed, its not worth it bla bla bla
Do you people even realise the magnitude of what has been taken on? when we crossed Iraq’s borders we involved ourselves in a worldwide monopoly of change. The war is over Saddam is dead….. so what? Both America and Britain (Mainly Britain) has been fighting other peoples battles for along time, all over the world, just because it isnt mentioned in the media doesnt mean it doesnt happen, why? Why do our soldiers march off to afganistan, iraq or africa? why do we risk lives and spend money on people we will never even meet?
**** em lets just pack up and go home shall we, doesnt matter its not as though its affecting us now is it, that country of millions isnt worth the lives of a few of our soldiers… pfffft you people disgust me, have you no pride or conviction?
All these countries who are withdrawing their support, all the people who oppose it from the bottom of thier hearts because its so wrong! I wonder how many are Jewish… or French… maybe even polish, well i dont think the 365,000 British who died liberating u people was justified either, maybe we should have just left you to the germans???
Pitiful
No one can say Iraq is any worse off now than it was under Saddams control so i would say that is a step in the right direction. As i said previously we have entered a monopoly of change, as allied nations we have set out to advance a country 100 years + as a cilivisation, democracy, morality and humanity and we are trying to do it in just a few years, can you even comprehend what has to do be done, we all new it was going to be difficult and yes maybe we have taken on to much but we have taken it on and to abandon them now would be the most immoral act in the history of the planet and I would personally be ashamed to call myself british.
I think as modern as the western world is it is actually in a state of de-evolution. Old values such as the morality and way of life which saw us commit our fate to chance 60+ years ago has been overwhelmed by selfishness and deceit. If we as major powers cant extend our hand to a failing planet then we are willingly allowing ourselves to fail with it.
I dont deny that the loss of soldiers in this period is distressing for some people but it is war, this is what being a soldier is all about. it is what they are paid for, they are the right hand or change and they are doing an excellent job so why dont you people try standing behind them instead of against them?
I could go on for hours but i think i have made my thoughts clear enough but if you still have doubts I would like you to think about the below statement.
If you came across a small child clinging for his life on the edge of a cliff and you had the power to save him but there was a chance that you might lose your life in doing so, would you still try?
If we as nations came across millions of small children and their families clinging on the edge of humanity, and it is within our power to save them, do we reach out or walk away?
Only time will show whether morality prevailed.
March 23rd, 2007 at 10:52 am