Pelosi beats back Cheney smear.
Pelosi beats back Cheney smear.
Vice President Cheney today on Iraq redeployment: “I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we’ll do is validate the al Qaeda strategy.” Pelosi responds: “Vice President Cheney continues to question the patriotism of those of us in Congress who challenge the Bush Administration’s misguided policies in Iraq, but his latest attack is beneath the office of the Vice President, especially at a time of war.”
UPDATE: “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday phoned President Bush to air her complaints over Vice President Dick Cheney’s comments. … ‘You cannot say as the president of the United States, “I welcome disagreement in a time of war,” and then have the vice president of the United States go out of the country and mischaracterize a position of the speaker of the House and in a manner that says that person in that position of authority is acting against the national security of our country,’ the speaker said.”
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DAMN Nancy!
All you had t’ do was end your remarks with just ONE…
…”fat basta*d”…
…another missed opportunity…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:47 pmThe critisism from the neo-cons and their enablers in the Administration is really getting old and is beyond the pale. The more shrill they sound the more irrelevant they become.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:48 pmGood job, Nancy.
Prepare for the “uppity woman” smear in 3…2…1…
February 21st, 2007 at 8:49 pm“..his latest attack is beneath the office of the Vice President…”
So is “The Dick” Cheney.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:49 pmA hamster has bigger balls than John Kerry.
Or at least when Kerry’s balls are in the grip of handlers who screw up presidential campaigns.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:50 pm“Has the Vice President ever been right about any aspect of this conflict that we are engaged in? It has obvious that this conflict has always been beyond his comprehension and, with due respect, the Vice President should sit down and shut up while we try to un-shit this bed.”
I think I would have liked that answer.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:55 pm“the Vice President should sit down and shut up while we try to un-shit this bed.â€
Exactly.
February 21st, 2007 at 8:59 pmWhen something is wrong, most sensible people want to fix things. At least intelligent people do. But when things go wrong, neocons just want to call names and make up lies. That’s why things are all screwed up under neocon rule. Things don’t get fixed.
I noticed the same thing at work. Those with heavy evangelical beliefs (and vote Republican) can’t fix the most basic problems. They panic and call me so can push the esc key, or unplug their coffee maker, or whatever simple problem they are having. These people should NEVER be allowed to rule. They just screw things up.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:00 pmNot that any sane person believes Cheney has a clue how al Qeada thinks, but the facts are al Qeade knew very well the US may come into the Middle East after 911 looking for revenge and had planned for it and had thought that they could bleed us to death, just as they had the Russians before them. Also if he is so concerned with al Qeade why on earth have they let them regain a strong foothold in Afghanistan?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:01 pmJeff
I’d take our trillion dollars and 3000 young people back in exchange for a little less “balls” in DC.
I wish people could figure it out that “the Al Qaeda strategy” that Dickhead keeps lying about is actually to let us piss all our money and troops away pursuing phantoms – which is exactly what we’re doing for them.
Why do I think that? – because it’s precisely how the Afghans defeated and bankrupted the Soviets. Why would they do that? Because it worked so well the first time around.
Why is this elementary shit so hard to understand for the people who are enamored of our regime and their “get tough” stance.
It’s easy to defeat a hothead – just keep pecking and picking at them and eventually they’ll explode from their own uncontrollable rage.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:02 pmLet’s see… al-Qaeda’s strategy is to get the West to attack muslims in muslim countries, to prove the rhetoric they spew that the west wants to invade muslim countries.
So Cheney’s strategy of invading Muslim countries and killing muslims in them is not validating al-Qaeda’s claims and strategy to enrage muslims against the west.
Yet, Pelosi doesn’t want us to occupy a muslim country and kill muslims, and that does validates al-Qada’s claims and strategy to enrage Muslims against the west?
Huh?
Must be that 2=2 = 5 GOP sort of calculus at work again that escapes me (and reality)
February 21st, 2007 at 9:08 pm#10 and #11 make a very good point. That is indeed how the Afgans defeated the Russians in that war. Think about it. While the tactics might be different, the results are the same. We are being bled like a turnip. and while this happens, our civilian and military leadership have not a clue how to adjust to the tactics that the insurgents are using.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:09 pmJust like the Russians.
The UK reducing the number of troops in Iraq is a sign of progress, but stopping an increase of US troops “validates the AlQaeda strategy”?
WTF?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:10 pmVeto-proof majority in 2008.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:24 pmCan vomit have a silver lining?
How much lower can you go than endorsing Al Qaeda press releases? The more you bang that drum the more folks start to notice that it’s sort of anti-American. He’s saying he takes Bin Laden’s words at face value but he belittles Pelosi, the party members who voted her into office, and the majority of the electorate that voted them into power.
Notice how the viable Republican candidates are all vile to the republican base? it’s because the base is discredited. George Allen today would fare just as well as George McGovern did. I think, much like the current hate of hippies, a generation of revulsion against the extreme fringe that has grabbed center stage is coming.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:26 pm“the Vice President should sit down and shut up while we try to un-shit this bed.â€
Exactly.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 21, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Or, in this case, surgigically extricate a greasy potato in the ass right?
Spudge_I_Have_A_Humongous_Greasy_Potato_Stuck_in_My_Ass
_Boy?
As far as YOU know…???
Heh. Nice hard drive contents. The proper agencies have been alerted PEDOPHILE!
I demand to know where you live so you do not HARM ANYONE ELS’S CHILDREN!!
Are you REGISTERED?
Spudge_Boy?
Are you REGISTERED SCOUNDREL??
PERVERT!!
CHILD MOLESTER!!!
TELL THEM YOUR NAME “Bud” Potato in the ass boy!
OR I WLL!
IT IS BY LAW YOU ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER UPON BEING CONVICTED OF CHILD MOLESTATION CHARGES. HAVE YOU REGISTERED?
I KNOW YOU HAVEN’T.
I AM GOING TO REPORT YOU.
AND THE LOCAL SHERRIFS OFFICE IN YOUR LA COUNTY
I DON’T SEE YOU LISTED SPUDGE_BOY.
WHY NOT?
DO NOT TALK TO THIS MAN IF YOU LOVE YOUR CHILDREN!
HE IS A “CONVICTED CHILD MOLESTER”
IN LA COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA
NO LISTING……right “Bud” ?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:28 pmNumber 17, beginning “the vice president should sit down…. needs to be deleted.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pmLooks like Rachel or whoever he/she/it is is of their meds again.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:33 pmJust like the Russians.
Comment by Jim
Jim just very well might be right.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:34 pmThe AlQuada strategy favored the Bush Chaney Junta keeping the White House in 2004 since Osama and his people wanted these fools to persist in their occupation of Iraq and murder of Iraquis in order to recruit more anti american partisans (referred to as “terrorists” by the neocon imperialists) and bleed the U.S. treasury, keep the army bogged down in the civil war and remain free to fight the arrogant and foolish infidel.
I am certain AlQuada wants the “surge” to be implemented…more GIs to kill and maim. More $$$ down the drain. Go George, go, kill kill killl…..we need more enemies.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:36 pmTom, I hope I’m wrong! I desperatly want to be wrong. But as long as Bush insists on feeding the meat grinder that Iraq has become then I see no way out of this mess. At least until he leaves office.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:39 pmSo, Nancy Pelosi has bigger balls than John Kerry?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — February 21, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
As …”far as you know”
February 21st, 2007 at 9:40 pmSo glad Pelosi doesn’t sit still for this. She is tougher than she looks.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:41 pm#12, that sums it up.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:43 pmPelos beats back Cheneys snear!
Oh,,,,nevermind.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:52 pmPrepare for the “uppity woman†smear in 3…2…1…
Comment by Zooey — February 21, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Zooey-No doubt the smear will begin–But the MSM will probably go for the “menopausal woman” smear, so we will have to listen to pundits talking about the supposed effects of hormonal changes–that is when they are not speculating on whether or not Anna Nicole will rot before she is finally buried.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:52 pmI hope the President will repudiate and distance himself from the Vice President’s remarks.
don’t hold your breath, madam speaker…
February 21st, 2007 at 9:53 pmbut way to go with this push back… thank you!
Who the fu*ck do you think you are hippy? What in the fu*ck in Jesus name are you angrily vomiting that shi*t about our #2 in charge man.
I am from the very deep South and we love yanks even far north and west as Cheney’s home state. You gawd damnned “yellow-belly†yanks better crawl back under your Circu-Circus pizza box and smoke some more crack that you attain from your swelfare chack every month.
Got that CRAkKeR?
Well do ya punkass white yank ass shitball faggo lezbo hom pinko faggotic grabbasstic piece of civilian slime traitorous peter-puffer smack ass big wally suckin aids infested hippy ass bitch!!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:54 pmDick Cheney is beneath contempt too.
This wretched clown should be washing and changing the bandages on wounded soldiers for the rest of his life.
-GSD
February 21st, 2007 at 9:58 pmNothing is beneath Cheney’s office. He’s the Crypt Keeper, remember?
February 21st, 2007 at 9:58 pmPelosi must wise-up and call for Cheney to be impeached for lying to the Congress on Iraq and for massive corruption too! Once Cheney is taken down, then Bush can be forced to resign or be impeached too.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:58 pmMan it feels soooo good to have someone like Nancy Pelosi in the Speakers Chair! Tough woman who won’t take any S**T from anybody! Especially the Derferment King and his side-kick the Chicken Hawk in Chief. Keep it up Nancy! God, (and there might just be one) I think I see a light at the end of the tunnel. Finally!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:59 pmAtta girl, Nancy! Bust their balls – they deserve it! As for Cheney’s slurs and smears, what else is new? He’s been above the law for a long time; now it’s time to break his cajones and bring him under the letter of the law. This lawlessness and hypocrisy has to stop.
Cheney’s at the bottom of every cesspool this administration has manufactured; Cheney is the “smog over the white house” and at the bottom of the Plame affair (hey, isn’t that treason? Last time I looked it was). Cheney is the one who should be on trial here – not someone he hired to do his dirtywork. Isn’t that the way the law works in this country? The one who does the hiring also gets the jail time? What’s up with that????
Let’s get these Dems on the ball. They’re wasting precious time which this country cannot afford as we slip into the abyss of degeneration.
Let’s get the gloves off and start playing hardball, congress!
February 21st, 2007 at 9:59 pmI hope Nancy beats Cheney back into the oil slick he arose from!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:00 pm#31 Mr. BG
I thought he was the Penguin.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:02 pmGood job Speaker Palosi, now how about putting impeachment back on the table..We the people are behind you, go get them all…The new title will be Madam President Palosi if you do your job, imagine that the first woman prez..Has a nice ring to it…
OT.Sorry…All went well for my test’s today, the big guy said no cancer..Thank you one and all for your support and concern’s..Blessings..Peace..
February 21st, 2007 at 10:02 pmHey Veritas, tell us how you REALLY feel about this. Gotta love it!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:03 pmGreat news Sharon! That is so good to hear.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:04 pmRed Farmer must grow beans because he is full of gas > lol.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:04 pmSharon > glad you got good news from your doctor.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:06 pmoh sharon! hooray for good news!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:06 pmbless you!
Looks like Rachel or whoever he/she/it is is of their meds again.
Comment by Jim
I had aunt, crotchety old woman, used to drink alot, take some pills you know Stagger about, smoke stinging her eyes, typing and cackling incoherent snickers to what we guessed was another equally amusing person….eventually you get used to her.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:07 pmSpudge needs to ask for post 17 to be deleted > very nasty post.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:12 pmFarmer prooves what the 28% bull shit bush and dead eyed dick cheney voter’s are all about…Poor inbred’s they can’t help it, their reich leaders slip them a $5 and tell them who to vote for cause they can’t read or spell..To much moonshine I think, just like bush. What these people need is a good life guard in the gene pool….Blessings all
February 21st, 2007 at 10:12 pm#10, #11, #13
February 21st, 2007 at 10:14 pmI am so with you on this.
Why don’t more people see the bigger picture?
Hooray, Sharon!!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:15 pmWell do ya punkass white yank ass shitball faggo lezbo hom pinko faggotic grabbasstic piece of civilian slime traitorous peter-puffer smack ass big wally suckin aids infested hippy ass bitch!!
Comment by Red Farmer
Such language Rachel, and not very becoming of a fine conservative Goldwater No Apologies type, no Sir!
So are you Rachel Sir, Stryker, now a mountain man? I hear Addington keeps a picture of Dick on the wall. I mean Mr Cheney, not a Dick, of course, sir, urr Mamm, the Rachel.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:18 pmSpudge > that post has been put on other threads too. Contact TP staff to have them deleted.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:20 pmI’m not sure which is worse. When Trools try to make a point and flail all about in abject failure when the logic doesn’t quite work or when when they spew bile and filth like I’ve seen tonight.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:21 pmIs it me or has it been especially bad recently? Just my observations.
Again, Thank you all…I blasted Bob Seger all the way to the Dr’s and Credence all the way home and thought of you all while I was at the hospital….It was great confort to me…Think I need bigger speaker’s though, need to be able to keep up with the compitition out there these day’s….LOL..I’m not 20 any more but will act like it if I want to..When is the next march.?…Blessings..
February 21st, 2007 at 10:23 pmSpudge post 50 > posts like #17 make TP threads look stupid, so TP staff would be wise to delete them. If they do not care, then maybe the posting on here is not important to them?!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:24 pmJay & Spudge,
I already emailed them. *sigh*
February 21st, 2007 at 10:25 pmOh look who wrote the Democrats a letter…
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186511.php
Shaykh Ayman al-Zawahiri:
As for the Democrats in America, I tell them:
The people chose you due to your opposition to Bush’s policy in Iraq, but it appears that you are marching with him to the same abyss, and it appears that you will take part with him in the defeat and certain failure, with God’s permission. And the American people shall discover that you are all one side of the same coin of tyranny, criminality and failure…
February 21st, 2007 at 10:25 pmAs I close my talk, I ask Allah to bless the lions of Iraq who broke America’s back and spoiled its plans, and are today confronting the Crusaders and their aides, the religion-traders and secularist collaborators of the Jews and callers to partisanship who deceive their Kurdish brothers by telling them that the Mujahideen are their Arab enemies. Allah suffices us against them and their slander. And I ask Allah to unite the Mujahideen – Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen – on the word of Tawheed and on Jihad in Allah’s path against their enemies, the Crusaders and Zionists. And I ask Him to bring together the hearts of the Mujahideen in Iraq on the heart of one man, lest they fail and their strength depart. And I ask Him to aid with His help and guidance the fledgling Islamic State of Iraq, and to guide its Mujahid Amir, Abu Umar al-Baghdadi (may Allah protect him), to what He loves and is pleased with, and to consolidate this state so that it unites all our Mujahid and Muslim brothers in Iraq and so that it sets up over Iraq of the Caliphate a Mujahid Islamic state which will proceed to liberate Jerusalem and take steps towards the reestablishment of the Caliphate state which the Crusaders and their helpers toppled.
Obama smacked Hiallary!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:27 pmGo Obama!
Jim and all, I agree and a week ago I sent many email’s to TP and refused to post at all because of the miserable traffic..One Saturday checked in several time’s sent them an email and just left, before that it was over a week of the same trash, some times duplicate posts on every thread…If they don’t get a handle on this many of us will just bail….Blessings
February 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pmWhen is the next march.?…Blessings..
Comment by Sharon
there’s a march on the Pentagon 3/17. But that’s a heckuva long bus ride from the west coast, Sharon.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:30 pmGo Obama.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pmDestroy Hillary!
I always Email the offensive poster’s name and time to TP. Maybe if they got a few dozen every time one of the nutcases arrives, they would take more effective action against future attempts by the crazies.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:34 pmSpudge > I have e-mailed TP staff to delete that post on this thread and on the other threads too.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:34 pm“So, Nancy Pelosi has bigger balls than John Kerry?” –Spudge_Boy
Finding a way to bash the Dems while supposedly applauding them.
Go get your cookie from Karl, Spudge.
People still wishing to catch up on the speeches last week can find many (maybe all) at:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=NancyPelosi
Don’t miss NADLER, Franks, Lantos, Rangel, and Wexler.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:34 pmHillary would kick Cheneys ass, Batman, okay, he would have a heart attack before he fell over, but Hillary would still win!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:35 pmI’m discussing Obama Bitch slapping Hillary! I love it. He shut that whore up!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:40 pmSnearing Dick Lashed by Pelosi
February 21st, 2007 at 10:42 pmYeah but this is a week night so what gives? Doesn’t TP moniter the threads? I dunno, maybe its time for them to go to a registration system. I hate the idea personally, but….
February 21st, 2007 at 10:42 pmI just sent off an email to TP about the post’s on this site…
Marie, thank’s for the head’s up on the march, your right a wee but far for me to go for a bus ride..It’s going to be a long one just to make it to Billing’s….Then there’s the cost of the doggie day care for the Bear, yike’s! Looking for local stuff between tree planting…Thank’s though..Blessings
February 21st, 2007 at 10:42 pm“A hamster has bigger balls than John Kerry. Or at least when Kerry’s balls are in the grip of handlers who screw up presidential campaigns.” — Jeff
When you face machine gun fire for your country, Jeff, then you can make these kinds of statements.
Kerry WON in Ohio, by at least something like 250,000 votes.
The count was stolen by Bush’s campaign chair SecState. We paid $125,000 for a court-ordered recount, and the SecState refused to provide it. Senator Kerry recognized the crooked arrangement, but unlike Gore in 2000, still had his Senate seat and status to protect. So he joined the Greens effort, when he came back from Iraq.
Those who think a coup can be reversed at the ballot box had better get the ballot box unrigged BEFORE the election. By 2006 we had enough angry Republicans to win even with rigged elections. But in 2004, it was not going to happen, no matter what.
I presume you’ll be working your ass off this year to make sure elections in your state are fair and legal? Eh? Or do you just throw tomatoes for fun.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:45 pmSpudge > TP staff needs to check each thread at least twice a day and delete vulgar posts by trolls. They should do it in the early morning and just before midnight each day.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:46 pmSpudge_Boy,
Anybody has bigger balls than John Kerry.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:50 pmObamam exposed Hillary as a whore!
Nancy Pelosis sucks Bush’s dick and she swallows it!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:51 pmI’m discussing Obama Bitch slapping Hillary! I love it. He shut that whore up! Comment by The Penguin.
Oh please, naw, man, politicos don’t ever shutup, just look at the fool Blimpbum, always flailing and floundering them blubbery lip around a Clintonian cigar.
You know that fool went deaf listenin to himself smak?
February 21st, 2007 at 10:51 pm“there’s a march on the Pentagon 3/17″ –Marie
Be aware that this march is organized by ANSWER, which is a disaffiliated leftist group that regularly tangles with police and has an approach that is highly antagonistic to authorities.
I expect the Pentagon march will be ‘Vietnam era’ and not much like the many peaceful (at least on our side) rallies and marches we have had since 2000. Don’t bring children or the elderly, wear shoes (boots) you can run in, carry water and tissues, enough Rx meds you need for a few days, and alert your friends/family that you might be in need of their help getting bailed out if there is a mass arrest.
There is a major march in London this Saturday.
“AMY GOODMAN: Tony Benn, there are protests planned for February 24 in Britain?
TONY BENN: Oh, an enormous march starting from Hyde Park and going to Trafalgar Square, where I’m speaking as president of the Stop the War Coalition. Really three issues brought together: first, the war, obviously; second, the decision by the prime minister that he wants to spend billions and billions of pounds sterling to adopt a new nuclear weapons system; and thirdly, the threat to Iran. It will be a big demonstration in London on the 24th.”
Join them in your town!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:51 pmAll went well for my test’s today, the big guy said no cancer..
Comment by Sharon
Awsome news Sharon. I was worried.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:52 pmBlow it out yer ass, Dick!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:53 pmRed Farmer,
Too retarded for words!
February 21st, 2007 at 10:53 pmGreat news Sharon. I’ll know in about 8 more weeks…
February 21st, 2007 at 10:53 pmDr. Condoleezza Rice: magnificently accomplished and educated woman; brilliant scholar; concert pianist; gracious lady; presidential confident and trusted advisor; dedicated public servant; political giant and National Security Advisor to The President of the United States of America. And now, Secretary of State of the most powerful country on the planet. The first African-American female Secretary of State in our history.
Why would such an accomplished American woman be so savagely and viciously trashed and dishonored by the liberal elites and the left-wing Democratic Party? Not only trashed, but insulted, bad-mouthed, ridiculed and humiliated.What does a girl have to do to win the accolades and approval of these people?
Condi Rice has garnered the scorn of her Democratic colleagues, not because of what she has accomplished, but because of who and what she is. She is a black American, who is guilty of an unspeakable crime in liberal eyes.Her crime? She does not worship at the altar of the Democratic Party. Condi Rice has committed the unpardonable sin.She has dared to carve out her own political path while black.
And so has any black American sinned who dares to look the Democratic Party in their face and say, “You are wrong. I don’t need you.I don’t want you.I can do better than youâ€. And so she has.
The Democrats haughtily assume they own black America and their votes.They ridicule and belittle any black who dares to wander off their liberal “plantationâ€.
They think any black American who seeks a life free of Democratic ownership, is stupid, ignorant, uneducated and misinformed. Condi Rice, in particular, has been labeled a bald-faced liar, a puppet, a sycophant, and a mindless, thoughtless, robotic, brainwashed slave of George W. Bush. In their eyes, any black who dares to snub the Democrats is a traitor.
Countless cartoons and articles have insulted and offended her and her blackness in ways we have not seen since the pre-Civil War south.
Condi Rice dared to tell the Democratic owners that she believes the conservative mindset is her home. She dares to be a black Republican. And so they savaged her.
The liberal elites cry foul! She is black and not allowed to be a conservative! She is beholden to them, and only them, for the freedom she has attained. They own her and she has not paid them back for the favors they bestowed upon her and her people. Not only is she uppity, she is ungrateful!
The Democratic Party is the party of Sen. Robert Byrd, a former Grand Dragon in the Ku Klux Klan. This pitiful excuse for a human being still throws the “N†word around like it is butter, and is never corrected by his liberal cronies. This sad, pathetic man has the blind hubris to say Condi Rice is not fit to serve, when he himself is not fit, nor shall he ever be fit, to walk the hallowed halls of Congress.
Bulletin to Democratic liberals: Condi Rice owes you nothing. Clarence Thomas, who your leader, the disgraceful Harry Reid, called “an embarrassment to the courtâ€, owes you nothing.You don’t own them anymore.They are not beholden to you for anything.Stings, doesn’t it?
But isn’t that the country you’ve always preached about? At least until someone dares to leave your plantation. Then you turn back the clock and call them lying buffoons who don’t have enough sense to hold high office; too stupid to see that George Bush is a war mongering fraud.
And this same fraud just happens to be bringing freedom to a tyrannized people and is changing the face of the planet we live on; something you people have never even thought about doing and wouldn’t have the courage of conviction or the stomach to do it anyway.
And not one of you, not Robert Byrd, not Barbara Boxer, not Ted Kennedy and not Harry Reid is fit to tie Dr. Condoleezza Rice’s shoelaces.
Get over yourselves. The slaves have been freed. Get used to it. And in case you hadn’t noticed, they were freed by a Republican. His name was Abraham Lincoln.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pm“Sorry you don’t like it, but Kerry is part of the reason this country is in the shape it’s in.” –Spudge_Boy
What have you done for your country, Spudge? Have you protested? Have you worked for change?
No, you sit on your ass and type. Wow, what a hero.
Senator Kerry was the hardest working Senator last year making hundreds of campaign appearances for Congressional candidates. He is very much a big part of why we now have a majority in the House.
Your disaffiliation has been clear for years, but it’s not a badge of honor. It’s LAZINESS of a dysfunctional sort. You attack a sitting Senator, anonymously, for several years, and consider that heroic.
Classic bs.
February 21st, 2007 at 10:55 pm#79 Paul,
February 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmThanks for that information.
Comment by Paul in LA
If you don’t like someone condemning a democrat I suggest you don’t read my posts on a Hillary thread or any other democrat that has supported the war ( before flip flopping that is). =)
February 21st, 2007 at 10:56 pmAbraham Lincoln, meet wingnut kinnardi:
“Our safety, our liberty, depends upon preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.
“Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose – and you allow him to make war at pleasure.”
– A. Lincoln, protesting the immoral war on Mexico (on the false pretext of an invasion).
February 21st, 2007 at 10:58 pmrachel > chill out. Why do you go nuts on here at times? Are you paid to act goofy on here? As for Condi Rice she is a corrupt Oil stooge.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:00 pmAh yes, play the race card when the rest of your arguments fail.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:03 pmRachel, I dislike Condeleeza Rice not because she is black. Frankly I could care less and do care less about the color of her skin than you do apparently.
I dislike Condeleeza Rice not because she is a woman.
I dislike Condeleeza Rice for one simple reason. She is INCOMPETANT and should be fired.
“If you don’t like someone condemning a democrat” –Wayne
When your record of accomplishments match Kerry’s, have at it.
Senator Clinton is underqualified. You cannot say that about Senator Kerry, who outed the PNAC’s permanent bases in Iraq in front of 60 million Americans in 2004. So my issue is not with ‘condemning a democrat,’ it is the attacking of persons we need to restore our democracy. Do you have any positive effect toward that by your actions?
Hard to see how. All you’re spreading is disaffiliation. How is that going to help us?
February 21st, 2007 at 11:05 pmRachel, are you driving from Texas to Florida wearing an adult diaper and shitting yourself?
-GSD
February 21st, 2007 at 11:20 pm“I would tell him to his face that he acted like a complete wimp to his face.” –Spudge_Boy
He might agree with you, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is still fighting for our cause, and you’re downing him for actions and events in 2004, as if Santa is going to give you back the past.
You don’t factor in any of the real world issues: a coup, complicit media, highly-organized and funded attackers, the threat of rightwing mobs and violence, anthrax, Nine-eleven, the whole Bushco treason, which is certainly not Kerry’s fault on any level.
And you keep this ‘balls’ nonsense alive, apparently because that’s the only way you can understand your world? Senator Kerry has plenty of balls. He has also been a major force in our side of this fight for DECADES. And he’s still in power, and still fighting.
So you have a splinter you should remove from your ass, instead of spreading this disaffiliation that serves us not at all.
I did not know that “us” like Clinton. My point was that ‘attacking democrats’ is not so much the issue as needlessly attacking our most experienced democrats because they disappointed your hopes. Senator Kerry is still one of our best candidates for President, and I hope he serves at some point. But he made the correct decision in staying in the Senate and fighting the escalation of Bushco’s war, and I applaud him for that.
So instead, we have to fight over some of the most spectacularly UNQUALIFIED candidates in history — in part because people like you can’t shut-up about how Kerry let you down (as if he did). Scapegoating our talent (such as it is) is not helping.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:22 pmYou cannot say that about Senator Kerry, who outed the PNAC’s permanent bases in Iraq in front of 60 million Americans in 2004. — paul in LA
Did Kerry back up Feingold when he tried to pass censor on Bush? no
Did Kerry fillibuster one bill that passed, destroying American rights? no
Did Kerry fillibuster when they killed habeus corpus or posse comatatus? No
Did Kerry use his power as a Senator to even try to stop one bill the rubberstamp congress passed? no
The democrats were afraid to fillibuster, yet now the republicans are doing it.
Tell me other than just talk, what did Kerry do?
February 21st, 2007 at 11:29 pmFor that spam, “rachel,” let’s hope you’re banned.
“George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let them go to get a better grip.”
• Deploying only 1,500 troops to Tora Bora and letting Bin Laden ESCAPE really proved that to the country.
• Failing to guard Al-Qaqaa, and allowing 380 metric tons of high-explosives to be handed out to hostiles really proved to the country how much he cares about our troops.
“Dr. Condoleezza Rice: …National Security Advisor to The President of the United States of America.”
• Who failed to alert the President to the grave threat of Nine-eleven, and then tried to cover up for her failure after — and did not have the courage to RESIGN, as any legitimate NS Advisor would have.
Who has participated in the murder of nearly a million Iraqis, is a major war criminal, a torturer, and the criminal who said that she didn’t want to see legally-elected Presidnet Aristide of Haiti “in this hemisphere again.”
In other words, Rice is a traitor to freedom and democracy, and a FAILURE in any sense whatsoever.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:32 pmI see, Wayne, so you think filibuster would have saved the day?
The disempowering effects of the filibuster are apparently not obvious to you.
Instead of a destroyed party in 2006, we have a majority in both houses. In part that is the result of NOT filibustering.
So now you have to still explain how attacking Senator Kerry accomplishes ANYTHING for our side.
The issue is not ‘what did Kerry do,’ the issue is what WILL Kerry do this year.
Read the first 100 pages of “Master of the Senate,” by Caro. And then when you find yourself wanting another LBJ, remember Vietnam and try to understand something about the dicotomy of power.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:36 pmIf anyone here wants real change in this country, rather than bickering over which Democrat has done more or less in supporting or hindering the Bush administration,… Vote Nader.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:36 pmCheney is freaking out that the money pipeline to his company Halliburton is going to dry up. Condi is also in with the war profiters and even had a oil tanker named after her….albeit briefly.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:38 pmAshenShard, even if Nader could win, somehow, he would have next to zero power in Washington.
He’s running for the WRONG OFFICE, again.
He would make a good governor, but maybe that’s too much work.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:43 pm#103 Paul in LA
I agree on that … he shouldn’t be running for the highest office without building a base by having a party that runs an effective grassroots organization and is able to obtain power in local governments. But that would also mean he needs a party organization to actually do that, and last I remember, he isn’t part of the Green Party anymore.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:49 pmInstead of a destroyed party in 2006, we have a majority in both houses. In part that is the result of NOT filibustering.
Comment by Paul in LA
No it wasn’t. It was because the republicans overeached, covered up a child predator, and made so many mistakes it is truely a wonder that any republican got re-elected. The democrats didnt think they would even win one house, if you want to talk about reality. The democrats have been wimps for the most part for the last 6 years, very few of them actually stood up against the republicans, when they ALL should have acted in solidarity.
The democrats won because the people have had enough of republicans. If they are ineffective, they may be replaced next election as easily as they won this time.
February 21st, 2007 at 11:54 pmWhy does she say “at a time of war”?
When was war officially declared, Nancy?
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 amSo now you have to still explain how attacking Senator Kerry accomplishes ANYTHING for our side.
Gotta keep a politicians feet to the fire.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:11 am97, Rachel, your post is way too long for this forum. Please try to paraphrase and link to make your point. If I wish further information, I will follow the links. And you know that to be true of me.
Please stick to your good work.
Peace and Blessings, Rachel.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 amComment by Wayne — February 21, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
More and more, watching the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is like watching the “good guys” and the “bad guys” in WWE Wrestling matches on TV. It looks like it’s all scripted, and sometimes the good guys win and sometimes the bad guys win. The wrestlers know who’s going to win any given match, only the audience is clueless, and they keep cheering and cheering and cheering, in mindless frenzy, for their particular heroes.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 amIn other news, it looks like the Iraqis have chemical weapons after all.
They’ve taken to blowing up chlorine tankers.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 amRachel, sad to say, but we are coming, I think, to live in a corporatocracy. It’s not Conservative, it’s not Democratic, it’s like Platos modern empire. The innards are twisted and begin to rot as beef will.
Communism? Socialism? Nay. Theocracy? hardly. Marxism for the worker? Nope. Keynes? Hah. A new type of cold warm war?
What do we call this mess?
only the audience is clueless, and they keep cheering and cheering and cheering, in mindless frenzy, for their particular heroes. -BNF
So when are the gonna actually start fighting, like them Japanese congress people, Yeh, Jerry Springer politics. Yeh.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:28 amThank’s Wayne and RU,……Will keep up the good thought’s for you RU…8 week’s will go fast and the new’s will be good…
Zooey, saw on another thread the youngster is going to work for the Obama campaign, great new’s…Obama has a lot of good to offer our country if allowed to..
Someone was spouting on about dead eyed rice…I spend a considerable amount of time with people of color (all colors) and hand’s down none I have spoken with like her or respect her, to them she is a wanabe white, period…I don’t like her because she has dead eyes, is unqualafied and a fraud like the rest of this administration…Any one who think’s more about shoes than people drowning has no value in the human race…
Did you do something for someone you love today, how about the country you love.? The people of the world., For Peace.? If not how about tomorrow.One thing a day can make a diffrence.Hug someone..Plant a tree..Blessings all…..End of sermon, for now.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 amMore and more, watching the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is like watching the “good guys†and the “bad guys†in WWE
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
that is exactly the way I see them. We have a president breaking the law on a daily basis and all we get is a play fight with no one doing crap to stop it.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:32 am#111: Try as they might, they will never be able to match the present and longterm damage we have ensured with our depleted plutonium alone to say nothing of the rest. Iraqis will be fee alright, free to go to hell.
You know, there is a very good reason we do not define terrorism beyond a vague innuendo.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:34 am“I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we’ll do is validate the al Qaeda strategy,” Cheney told ABC News.
Is this what passes for a ’smear’?
Cheney fundamentally disagrees with Pelosi and Murtha. What was he supposed to say?
I agree with Cheney.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:34 amSharon, glad to hear the good news.
RU, keep me posted. You can find me on the facebook site. I’ll help any way I can.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:36 amCITIZENSHIP Democracy:
A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of “direct” expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic–negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy
CITIZENSHIP Republic:
Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the “standard form” of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of
(1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.
Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.
Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the “direct” rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They “made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic.”
“Did I say “republic?” By God, yes, I said “republic!” Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive.”
Welcome back democrats!
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 amComment by paul — February 22, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Have you enlisted yet? Or do you, like Cheney, have other priorities, and are quite content to let someone else die for your beliefs?
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:39 amtaken to blowing up chlorine tankers.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
We used to make smoke bombs as a kid with detergent and pool tablets. I don’t think Chlorine is WMD actually, Hell I inhaled a bunch of chlorine smoke and look at me. NErMael as can Bea.
Did you do something for someone you love today, how about the country you love.? The people of the world., For Peace? -Sharon
Well, ah kennot lie, it tweren’t lurv. It was shock asorbers. And he was a Republican, but I helped em out anyway.
I am doomed to hades, O’ lawd forgive me!!
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:40 am120, Chlorine itself is bad. Chlorine gas is very bad:
“To understand the effects chlorine gas has on the body, we first need to understand the chemical properties of chlorine, particularly its valence, or number of chemical bonds chlorine can form. Chlorine is in the seventh of the traditional groups of elements, one before the group of inert gases, which, as their name suggests, are almost completely unreactive. Chlorine has seven electrons in its outer electron shell.
“The Octet Rule states that all elements try to fill in their outer electron shell until they have eight electrons. When a chemical has eight electrons in its outer shell, it is then stable. Being so close to having 8 electrons in its outer shell, chlorine is quite desperate to get that one last electron – and will literally rip other atoms apart to do so. This is what happens to your respiratory system when you inhale chlorine gas. The gas tears into your nasal passages, trachea, and lungs by causing massive cellular damage. Obviously, chlorine gas causes a very painful death.”
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 amThank’s BnF,…I’m working on it as well..Healing thought’s work miracles and now many of us are working on them for you RU..
Thank’s Spudge I appreciat the compliment….Blessings and good night all.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:45 am“The Octet Rule states that all elements try to fill in their outer electron shell until they have eight electrons.
Yeh, and it burned too =)
Hey, did you see where they figured out dark matter? 3 trillion times a second it goes from matter to anti-matter. Mesons (Baryons)
That what is is only that what is not.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 am(wink)
FLASH!
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 amIn a freak serendipitous accident right out of the pages of POPULAR SCIENCE(tm) president of VICE Richard B. Cheney’s titanium heart sprocket malfunctioned and suddenly burst out of his chest while Cheney was conversing with commander-in-thief CHIMPya W. Bush. Cheney died instantly, as did Bush, who received the sprocket right between his beady little eyes. Services are pending.
Meanwhile, the Honourable Nancy Pelosi was being ushered by the secret service as next in the line of succession to assume the role of First Woman President of the United States. She who LAUGHS last, LAUGHS best, EH, Cheney? FICTION is less strange than TRUTH and TASTIER, TOO!!!!! Chances are Torticola Cheney and CHIMPya Bush both won’t survive until 2008, and this is more probable then everyone thinks!!!!!
122 – “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.â€
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 amRobert McCloskey quotes
OT.Sorry…All went well for my test’s today, the big guy said no cancer..Thank you one and all for your support and concern’s..Blessings..Peace..
Comment by Sharon — February 21, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
I know this is late, but that is the best thing I have heard all day! We may not always agree, But I am very happy for you.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:02 amFLASH!
In a freak serendipitous accident right out of the pages of POPULAR SCIENCE(tm) president of VICE Richard B. Cheney’s titanium heart sprocket
Oh Man, we are gonna have to fire Jetson from Cogswells Cogs.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:03 am122 – “I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.â€
Robert McCloskey quotes
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Sure I did. Electron shells, quarks, muons gluons, spin, half spin..
Chlorine gas is bad news
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 amChlorine itself is bad. Chlorine gas is very bad — Briseadh na Faire
Yes it is:
Chlorine gas is a pulmonary irritant with intermediate water solubility that causes acute damage in the upper and lower respiratory tract. Chlorine gas was first used as a chemical weapon at Ypres, France, in 1915. Of the 70,552 American soldiers poisoned with various gases in World War I, 1843 were exposed to chlorine gas.
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Cellular injury is believed to result from the oxidation of functional groups in cell components, from reactions with tissue water to form hypochlorous and hydrochloric acid, and from the generation of free oxygen radicals.
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Pathologic ……. include severe pulmonary edema, pneumonia, hyaline membrane formation, multiple pulmonary thromboses, and ulcerative tracheobronchitis.
http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic851.htm
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 amRichard B. Cheney’s titanium heart sprocket
And the latest updates contend its a piece of coal!
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:13 amThe right wingers deny the carbon dating of Cheneys cog
while the left wing berkley students have proof of the date of, this lump of coal, er Hearts mfg.
That what you typed was understood, but I’m not sure you realize that what you typed is not what I read, but intentionally misunderstood, as your misunderstanding was expected.
BRS Quote =)
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:23 amTranlated transcript of Speaker Pelosi’s comment to President Bush:
“Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh”
President Bush’s response:
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 am“Nan, If you can’t stand the heat…get out of the kitchen.”
I am sorry that I am not a Democrat for you.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Hehe, paul does not realize that it is the 40% of the voters, who are independant are the ones that decided the election. Realize also, by the numbers, the republican base turned out, they just got beat. Because the independants swung to the democrats this time.
Most independants also know alot of the Democrats are bought and paid for as much as the Republicans. Hopefully that willchange and the Democrats will eventually do something other than symbolic gestures.
**cough**non-binding resolution **cough***
Yes, Paul, I am registered independant on my voter registration as well.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 ami’m sorry, but this story is pathetic. first of all, saying that a policy validates al-qaeda’s strategy is not impugning patriotism. it just means it is a poor policy which makes our enemy’s strategy successful. the fact is, the bush-cheney policy of remaining bogged down in iraq validates al-quaeda’s strategy — and i’m not impugning their patriotism in saying so, it just a fact (i would impugn their patriotism, but i didn’t just do it).
also, how is it unacceptable for cheney to say pelosi is “acting against the national security of our country”? what was the disagreement supposed to be about, after all? doesn’t pelosi think (rightly) that cheney is acting against our national security?
i admit, i didn’t follow the links, so perhaps there’s something outrageous there. but what thinkprogress reported is pathetic, whiny, crap.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 amIs this what passes for a ’smear’? Comment by paul — February 22, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Yes. Especially when the ‘plans’ of Al Qaeda say their goal is to get us to come and bog doing in foreign wars. The truth is that Republicans fall into the plans of Al Qaeda, so this is nothing more than a smear.
Cheney fundamentally disagrees with Pelosi and Murtha. What was he supposed to say? Comment by paul — February 22, 2007 @ 12:34 am
He’s supposed to say that he “disagrees with them”. You haven’t heard Pelosi point out that the Republican strategy is the Al Qaeda strategy – despite this being reality. Why? Because we know you aren’t smart enough to handle the truth – it’s why you lie.
I agree with Cheney. Comment by paul — February 22, 2007 @ 12:34 am
You would, you’re a tool of Al Qaeda, and like to smear other people.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 amTranlated transcript of Speaker Pelosi’s comment to President Bush: “Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh†Comment by valiant venus — February 22, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Translated transcript of Cheney’s comments:
“Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghâ€
Translated transcript of Might Aphrodite/Valiant Venus’s comments
“Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh†“Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghâ€
President Bush’s response:
“Nan, If you can’t stand the heat…get out of the kitchen.â€
Comment by valiant venus — February 22, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Translation of Bush’s response:
Don’t blame me, Cheney is in charge, and I’m to squishy and cowardice to handle criticism.
Translation of Valiant Venus’s response:
I can’t stand my president to be criticized, so I’ll whine about it Wahhhh, while pretending that’s what others are doing.
You’re such a hypocrite, eat a tic-tac Aphrodite – you’re arguments, whining and childish behavior is tiresome, baby girl.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:06 amPaul, care to explain why the terrorists are funding the GOP, if they support liberals?
A New York man accused of trying to help terrorists in Afghanistan has donated some $15,000 to the House Republicans’ campaign committee over three years.
Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari pleaded not guilty Friday in U.S. District Court in Manhattan to charges that include terrorism financing, material support of terrorism and money laundering.
GOP donor hit with terror charges
Sorry paul, but this proves that Al Qaeda supports the GOP, and that the GOP is funded by terrorists.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:14 amruttiger. I agree.
Cheney fundamentally disagrees with Pelosi and Murtha. What was he supposed to say?
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 amSo Domina Pelosi actually expects the Executive
Branch, to behave in an Honorable manner???
Oh Christ thats a rich one.
After everything that has been said and done,
and lied about for the past 6 years.
Nancy you jest.
But we love you none the less.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 amYou certainly are a breath of fresh
air, after 12 years of fat, ugly, foul
mouthed, cultureless, white men.
#134
Is this what passes for a ’smear’? Comment by paul — February 22, 2007 @ 12:34 am
Yes. Especially when the ‘plans’ of Al Qaeda say their goal is to get us to come and bog doing in foreign wars. The truth is that Republicans fall into the plans of Al Qaeda, so this is nothing more than a smear.
You don’t understand the meaning of the word “smear”. To smear someone you have to do more than say falsely that they are advocating poor policies. You have to impugn their motives. You’re correct that Cheney is mistaken and that in fact his policies benefit al-qaeda. But he did not say that she wanted al-quaeda to win, and so did not smear her.
He’s supposed to say that he “disagrees with themâ€. You haven’t heard Pelosi point out that the Republican strategy is the Al Qaeda strategy -
He did not say her policy is the al-quaeda strategy. He said it validates their policy, which means it makes their strategy turn out to have been the correct one. There is a HUGE difference.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:19 amYes, Paul, I am registered independant on my voter registration as well.
Comment by Wayne —
Well then, that explains it all.
No more needs said really.
Nuff said.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 amruttiger. I agree.
Comment by paul — February 22, 2007 @ 2:17 am
So you agree with ruttiger, when he says that us bogged down in Iraq is Al Qaeda’s strategy?
That sure does correspond to the terrorists funding the GOP.
Tell me paul, how long have you been an ally of Al Qaeda, and a terrorist?
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:21 amHe did not say her policy is the al-quaeda strategy. He said it validates their policy, which means it makes their strategy turn out to have been the correct one. There is a HUGE difference. Comment by ruttiger — February 22, 2007 @ 2:19 am
How could he say her policy is the Al Qaeda strategy, the GOP strategy is the Al Qaeda strategy. It’s why terrorists are funding the GOP.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:23 amYou don’t understand the meaning of the word “smearâ€. To smear someone you have to do more than say falsely that they are advocating poor policies. You have to impugn their motives. Comment by ruttiger — February 22, 2007 @ 2:19 am
Associating someone’s ‘motives’ with terrorists is a smear, skippy. What, were you born on the same turnip truck as paul? Or do you lack the basic command of the english language that so many of your Rube friends like Bush do?
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:24 amNo more needs said really.
Nuff said.
Comment by spectator y — February 22, 2007 @ 2:20 am
So the prissy loser michael is back under another alias? Figures. Losers.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:25 amIndependents = A “safe” political “fence-jumper”
A coward really, with no gumption to take one stance or another, always fluttering in the political winds and just “another day at the office”
They aint worth the powder to blow themselves up.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 amIsn’t it time for someone to point out that “slow bleed” isn’t just a term made up by the right wing, but it more aptly describes what Bush has been doing to our armed forces since “Mission Accomplished”?
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:43 amPS: Have you ever thought of depleted uranium as a dirty bomb?
Comment by Worried chemist —
I get the feeling Potato in the Ass Boy Spudge_Boy would probably be getting his jollies mounting one and trying to hump it in the ass however.
And Potato in the Ass Boy Spudge_Boy?
You aren’t supposed to address me remember your pledge?
Not to respond?
Not only are you a political fencejumper, you are also a liar because you promised Juan C. You would and I quote,
“Never address that Rachel loon again” closed quote.
Idependents are not worth the powder to blow themselves up.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:51 amA coward really, with no gumption to take one stance or another, always fluttering in the political winds and just “another day at the officeâ€
They aint worth the powder to blow themselves up.
Comment by spectator y
Now how is dividin the nation during this freedom operation, now civil war, helping America?
What was it George said, cmon I know you can repeat it. Something about not being a divider but a uniter?
And you folks is here being dividers.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:52 amA coward really, Comment by 101st Keyboarder and Chickenhawk spectator.
I fixxxed yer typo tuberhead.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:55 amThey aint worth the powder to blow themselves up.
Comment by spectator y
Watched a few too many Tonto and Kimosabi, Bonanza movies as a child?
Rachel, I have heard they have lost whole warheads off’n that smelly swamp pastureland you grazing your louse on honey girlfriend.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:59 amValiantVenusGrewFromUranus. He’s supposed to say that he “disagrees with themâ€.
That’s the most laughable thing I’ve heard here. I understand if you disagree with Bush. I can also understand if you have bitten off on the propaganda that Bush stole the election(s), lied about WMD, manipulated intelligence, carried out 9/11? (well, that’s crazy), that Cheney uses foreign policy to get rich, etc, etc, etc. The point here is that Republican’s have heard that junk for 6 years and importantly, much of it supported by Democratic leaders.
Gore: “He betrayed this country!”
“He played on our fears! He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure dangerous to our troops, an adventure pre-ordained and planned before 9/11 ever took place!”
On her first campaign swing thru Iowa–Clinton accused the president of “the height of irresponsibility” in Iraq.
Here’s Harry Reid: “I really do believe this man will go down as the worst president this country has ever had.”
Do you ever wonder how/why Bush stays above the fray?
I’m not complaining. Politics is a big boy (or girl) sport. It’s just ridiculous to suggest that in the face of a steady drumbeat of democrat slur, Cheney should say “he disagrees with them.”
Your posts are funny.
P.S. You’ve called me a liar a couple of times. (I still don’t know what for). I’ll bet you probably call Bush a liar alot. And you probably think that anyone who disagrees with you, is a liar. It’s a free country, do what you want. But just like the boy who called wolf, noones going to listen to you when you try to point out someone who is actually lying. Good Luck with that.
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:04 amSmear tactics differ from normal discourse or debate in that they do not bear upon the issues or arguments in question. – wikipedia
Keep that in mind when you review the exchange:
Cheney also had harsh words for Democratic leaders, including Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., who says he wants to stop the surge of more U.S. troops into Iraq.
Cheney said Pelosi and other Democrats were pushing a policy in Iraq that would “validate the al Qaeda strategy.”
“I think if we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we’ll do is validate the al Qaeda strategy,” Cheney told ABC News.
Call me a liar, but you may misunderstand the meaning of the word smear.
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A WARNING NOTE from Traditional Values Coalition Chairman Rev. Louis P. Sheldon on this special report:
Dear Reader: This report is a very explicit and disturbing eyewitness account of what occurred at the San Diego “Gay Pride†parade and festival on July 29, 2006. The event was covered by San Diego-based pro-family activist, Allyson Smith, who writes frequently on the homosexual agenda.
The descriptions in this report are graphic, but what is perhaps more disturbing are the numbers of key San Diego political leaders who marched in this parade—and the numbers of colleges, businesses, and churches that sponsored this display of aberrant sexual behaviors on the streets of San Diego.
New York State Court Of Appeals Rules Against Same-Sex Marriage
A majority on the New York high court has ruled that the state Constitution and a 1909 Domestic Relations Law do not mandate homosexual marriages in the state. The opinion was issued on July 6, 2006.
Federal Judge Boots Ministry From Iowa Prisons
June 2006 – Federal Judge Robert Pratt issued a ruling on June 2, 2006 declaring that the InnerChange ministry, part of Prison Fellowship, had to be removed from the Newton Correctional facility in Iowa and repay more than $1.5 million to the state for services it received from Iowa’s correctional system.
What If Liberals Win Control Of The Congress?
During the past few months, I’ve been wondering what will happen to our nation if liberals gain control of the Senate and/or the House of Representatives in 2006 or 2008.
Pastor Jim Wallis: Liberalism’s ‘Religious’ Strategist
Pastor Jim Wallis, founder of the leftist Sojourners organization is a darling of secularist liberals who attempted to use him in the 2004 elections to seduce evangelical Christians into voting for presidential candidate John Kerry.
Wallis is also a darling of the liberal media. He is often quoted in articles critical of conservative Christians or of President Bush’s faith.
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:46 amCritical of bush’s faith? Exactly how is this ‘faith’ made manifest?
murder
false witness
theft
idolizing wealth
oh, must be six other ways too
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 amSpeaker Pelosi is a true Patriot in that she speaks the truth as she sees it.
Vice President Cheney would do well in a dictatorship. I am sure if he had his way, the Speaker would be in jail. Mr. Cheney is not a friend to the American way of life. If the VP is such a Patriot, why did he not serve in Vietnam when it was his time to go?
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:35 am>If anyone here wants real change in this country, rather than bickering over which Democrat has done more or less in supporting or hindering the Bush administration,… Vote Nader.
I agree. Nader ‘08!
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:36 amPaul: No amount of logic will get regressives to realize how consistently they help the enemies of this country with their useful idiocy.
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:41 amNewsflash to Cheney: the troops’ presence in iraq emboldens the enemy. Other countries stating they are withdrawing troops suggests they understand this.
February 22nd, 2007 at 6:38 amNewsflash to Buzz:
While fighting the Jihadis does rally those so-inclined to the Jihadi cause, the fact is , surrendering to the JIhadi draws to them way more recruits as each surrrender validates thier ideology.
The more they gain, the more it gets put out there that Jihad is the true Islam.
Every concession to them is a deadly mistake.
Israel is good example of this… every pull back Israel does it followed by attacks from those newly occupation-free zones. With the intent to get Israel to withdraw even more. It’s not about Muslim defense. It’s about Jihad advancement.
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:26 amPaul: No amount of logic will get regressives to realize how consistently they help the enemies of this country with their useful idiocy.
Comment by Vince P — February 22, 2007 @ 5:41 am
I agree with you, but don’t forget that regressive is a synonym of conservative
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:43 amModern usage of the words Liberal and Conservative have strayed far from thier original coinage. I dont see the vector of movement as being the distinguishing criteria instead ,its the ideas.
The Conservatives today are the Liberals from yesterday. The Conservatives who spearheaded the 1994 Republican win of Congress were the leaders of a Reformist movement. The Democrats all want a return to the welfare state of the past. The geopolitics of the past. The protest movement of the past. They want all the current Federal entitlement systems to stay in place. They oppose any major reform. The Leftists are not for progressing anything that I can see. The way they use the few things they know about me should dispell any notion about respect amongst people, tolerance or open mindness they claim to adhere to. instead they just use these things as convienent weapons when it suits them
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:59 amThank you Nancy Pelosi.
And isn’t it nice to have a Democratic majority to stand up to the relentless stream of bullsh*t.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:12 amThe conservatives of today are the fascists of yester-year.
They want to surgically remove the right to free speech (”free speech zones” anyone?) and they want their opposition to shut the hell up while they do it.
They want to make it illegal to question any Republican President, and go out of their way to lambaste any and all opposition to the egregious over-reach of power that Pres. Bush is trying to bring to the office of President.
Of course, they don’t want to think about a Democrat being in the office of President with the same powers that Pres. Bush has taken. That scares the crap put of neo-cons!
What it boils down to is the heart of the conservative movement has been lost to the fascist-like neo cons. It’s a painful truth, but the truth none the less.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:17 amGood for you, Madame Speaker. Cheney was out of line with that statement and there he is outside of our nation and trashing our elected officials. Wonder if the “C & W” roulette set will censor Cheney like they did the Dixie Chicks?
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:18 amUm, we don’t know what terrorists think, but having said that, after 6 years of Bush, what would Islamic militants have to fear from Republicans? I mean, Republicans talk tough, but somehow I doubt that any terrorist listening to Cheney is going to feel discouraged, any more than listening to some Taliban wacko ranting against the US is going to discourage an American.
They’re not afraid of Democrats, but they sure as heck aren’t afraid of Republicans. Invading Iraq emboldened, encouraged and continues to motivate the fanatical sections of Muslim populations any more than any American’s criticism of the Iraq war. Not effectively securing Afghanistan before moving on to Iraq was an incredible break for the Taliban.
The “liberals embolden terrorists” thing sounds incredibly lame to and really seems like a desperate, bottom of the barrel argument. The US actions speak louder than words, and so far, most of the actions have nicely provided the “provokation” the fanatics want and, more importantly, need. This administration is great at enboldening terrorists.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:21 amdamned tired of the man’s irritating condescension.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:23 amI bid you all a good morning, I woke up, that’s a good start. First..Thank you Hacker Bob for your kind thought’s…We rarely agree but still I appreciate the thought’s…
Next…Today I will practice an attitude of gratitude…The internet and all here have opened up my world imensly..Yes I do get pissed off at some troll’s and fire back some and I vent often with out the troll’s causing it..This administration has made me a maniac and fighter on the home front more times than I can count..
I never thought I would live to see so much evil and division in my country and around the world.. I never thought my own would allow so many of her citizen’s to drown and then treat the incident like a lost football game..I never thought another president and his cohort’s would plot and plan to dismantel my beloved country and send our service men and women into a war for profit again…I never thought (after Viet Nam) that we would march on a country and distroy it for the profit’s that could be aquired from (our oil) under their sand…Who would of thought, not me, that all the polluters we use to watch and moniter would be installed in high offices and now dismantel all regulation’s that protected our air, water, soil and food supply…I never thought my country would again be devided to the brink of a civil war here by relegious zelot’s with no tollerance for all others and their faith or lack there of….Mostly I never thought I would see our constitution spit on by polaticians that were swarn to protect it…
Today I am grateful I woke up one more day to run the Bear, plant some flowers and trees and read all your post’s…I’m also grateful I can do some more work to stop the madness, end the war’s and boot out the bad guy’s if at all possible…..
Finelly…To all the critical…I don’t care if some one is an independent, Rep.,Dem, Green..I also don’t care color, relegion, sex….What I do care about is (race) the human race..That is all on the planet..We may not agree but we are suposto be the custodians of our planet #1 and lately we have been doing a piss poor job to our home and all living thing’s..There is no do over, this is it folk’s…Hundreds of thousands are dieing all over our planet and we must fight (non violance if possible) to end the war’s….Most of these poor countries and their people are fighting out of desperation..Remove the hunger and hatred and we will get Peace….Remove the evil and greed from our own polatician’s and it will also stop the war’s……Thank you for allowing me to spout off…Don’t forget to hug someone today, even tree’s are huggable and most importantly do something good for our country, her people and the world….Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:28 amyou go girl! now someone ought to point out to Bush that his policy of draining the US military is playing into the hands of terrorists, not anti-war opinions…
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:30 amHiding in Australia, dickhead?
I hope the masses have a surprise for your humble selfcentered ass. Like a big demonstration with placards of you scowling face. You can run dickhead but you can’t hide.
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 amDavid Carlisle assumed:
>Um, we don’t know what terrorists think
Perhaps you dont know what they think. but a lot of people do. because you see, the terrorists are among other things, scholars of their religion. They produce a vast body of work in the forms of writings, papers, white papers, etc.. If you were to take a few minutes from protesting emanuel goldstein and look for these documents you might understand them better
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:44 amHere’s a few items worth reading:
“The management of barbarism” – Abu Bakr Naji
“Myth of Delusion” – Muhammad Khalil al-Hakaymah
Current Taliban field manual/Rules of engagment – The Taliban in Pakistan
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:54 amSharon,
Glad to hear your good news from the doctor. When we face our own mortality, it has a way of making us look at what is truly valuable in life. It’s not things… it’s those we love.
Your “good morning” post today is very inspiring.
As you would say… “Blessings”
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:57 amI’ve always wondered why the terrorists wanted the Republicans to win in 2004?
Could it be that they’ve gotten us bogged down in a country where we refuse to define what “accomplishing the mission” is and we can claim we’re there for any reason at all whatsoever? When there are no goal posts at all, claiming that we can’t hit them is an easy task. When there are no milestones, how can we tell if we’re accomplishing anything? Don’t forget, Then-Sec. Rumsfeld threatened to fire any general that made any plans for Iraq after the invasion.
With the US in Iraq, we make such great targets for terrorists and an even better recruiting tool for the terrorists. Read their liteerature if you doubt this!
Usama bin Laden wanted Pres. Bush re-elected. He knew the Pres. Bush would give up on his promise “dead or alive” and let him walk out of Afghanistan without any attempt to find him. Pres. Bush had decided to attack Iraq in 2000, before he was elected. Being in Afghanistan just gave him the excuse he needed.
If Pres. Bush had been serious about change in Afghanistan, don’t you think the Taliban would be gone, instead of taking back entire regions that we don’t have the man-power to protect?
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:59 amDemocrat Soldier is calling for the American invasion of Pakistan.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:00 am#158 – “Current Taliban field manual/Rules of engagment – The Taliban in Pakistan” Comment by Vince P — February 22, 2007 @ 8:54 am
Don’t you mean “The Taliban in Afghanistan”? You know, the place we 9supposedly) kicked them out of, but they’re taking control back from the very few forces we left there?
We did it in the 80’s to Afghanistan, and we did it again in 2002. We said “We’ll help!” and then we run away before we can put a real working democracy in place.
The US has a crappy record of sticking around to finish the job. Just look at what Pres. Reagan did, and what Pres. Bush has done.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:02 am#161 – Vince P is calling for the invasion of Saudi Arabia.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:03 am#160 – perhaps they are heavily invested in defense stocks and we are inadvertently funding their side through our increased military activity.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:04 amDemocrat Soldier: Do you know anything about Waziristan? I dont think you do , otherwise you wouldn’t have just made the stupid statements you have.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:06 amVince P, what about your incredibly stupid statements of me claiming to want to invade Pakistan?
Methinks the man shoudl put his brain in gear before he shoots off his mouth.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:09 amFinally! Someone begins to hold Bush accountable for letting his DOG(!) Cheney loose to do poo-poo all over everyone’s lawn (and worse)
Finally!
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:10 amok, so you dont know anything about waziristan. so basically you dont know what’s going on today yet still think what you think is pertitant. Why are Democrats so intellectually non-curious?
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:11 amTerrorists support Bush:
Associated Press
GOP Donor Hit With Terror Charges
A New York man accused of trying to help terrorists in Afghanistan has donated some $15,000 to the House Republicans’ campaign committee over three years.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:13 amThank You Coffin’s……Democrat Soldier, just a note…..I love your post’s and appreciate your service….Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 amComment by Sharon #37
CONGRATULATIONS Sharon!
and God continue to bless…
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 am#167 – Vince, why is it that you read something on Wikipedia, and think you know what’s going on in the world?
Why do Republicans think they know everything when they learn one or two minor details that are not widely known?
Waziristan is a relatively small are of mountains that border Afghanistan. it’s also the name of the region that was “annexed” by Pakistan in 1947.
In 2006, Pakistan agreed to autonomy of North and South Waziristan and ended military operations against them in exchange for an end to cross-border attacks into Afghanistan.
Waziristan is a a refuge for Taliban and Al Qaeda after they were initially overthrown in Afghanistan, but the Taliban has moved back into Afghanistan and taken control of a number of regions that we no longer have the military people to control.
Now, why do you think the US has such a crappy reputation in our efforts to help Afghanistan, oh wise one?
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:21 amSo President Bush refused to take a phone call from Speaker Pelosi. That speaks volumes about the attitude inside the Whitehouse. It also confirms that Cheney was speaking on behalf of Bush. This tells us it is still stay the course on my way or the highway. Leadership obviously will be a major issue in 2008. We certainly have been lacking in that area for the last 6 years and this tells us that the streak will extend for 2 more years.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:23 am#167 – Two last questions, Vince P.:
If we were supposed to fully remove the Taliban from power, why did we let them take control in another region with no effort expended to stop them?
If we were supposed to remove them from power in Afghanistan, why are we doing nothing at all about their resurgence in Afghanistan?
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:25 amThank you Big Papa, have I told you lately I love your post’s and read them all..Here goe’s …I love your post’s…..Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 amDemocrat: haha. you dismiss what I know as being from wikipedia and then you use wikipedia to show that you dont know anything because had you known about it, you wouldn’t have gone there.
So what makes you think I’m goign to waste my time with you.. Lilliputians like you should be ignored when they forget where their place is and think they’re bigger than others.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 amSharon
I add my congratulations on your good news and wish for many, many more blessings to you.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 amCongrats, Sharon.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:42 amThank you PLC….I count you and most of the poster’s here among my many Blessings…
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 amThank’s Shlomo…Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 amI believe that the US has done more than enough to “validate al Qaeda”…Cheney is living proof.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 amSo President Bush refused to take a phone call from Speaker Pelosi. That speaks volumes about the attitude inside the Whitehouse.
Comment by DallasNE #172
All the more reason Dems should take off the “velvet gloves” of civility…
…these are snake pit vipers we’re dealing with, and we have to treat them as such…
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:51 am#175 – “Lilliputians like you should be ignored when they forget where their place is and think they’re bigger than others.” Comment by Vince P — February 22, 2007 @ 9:33 am
Translation: I don’t really know what I’m talking about, and someone called me on it, so I will ignore the question.
Wow! You aren’t just a Republican, you’ve proven that you’re really a neo-con at heart!!!
Now, run away before yet another veteran gives you the smack-down.
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 amI love your post’s…..Blessings
Comment by Sharon #174
I know Sharon…
…i’m a bad boy and a…
…TERRIBLE influence… :)
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:53 amYou are correct big papa…We need a hurd of mongoose types to rid us of these viper’s..No more playing nice…Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 am#169 – Sharon, Sorry for not responding sooner. I was giving Vince P. the smack down, and he was busy completely ignoring my questions. I guess it’s too much to ask the neo-cons to support their actions when they haven’t been given the talking points to repeat.
I’ve enjoyed reading your posts as well. We need more level headed people such as you to counter the right-tards that spew their hateful bile on this site. You’re a welcome breath of fresh air compared to them.
I look forward to future postings with you! Peace!
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amfrom #156
“David Carlisle assumed:
>Um, we don’t know what terrorists think
Perhaps you dont know what they think. but a lot of people do. because you see, the terrorists are among other things, scholars of their religion. They produce a vast body of work in the forms of writings, papers, white papers, etc.. If you were to take a few minutes from protesting emanuel goldstein and look for these documents you might understand them better”
Based on the actions of this Presidency, I’d make the assumption (that’s what it is, true enough) that there are some very important people in this country who DON’T know how terrorists think. Bush and his people doing what the terrorists want them to do doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that this admin. “knows the enemy”. It would be nice if they did.
All right- I’m going to protest Emanuel Goldstein! Oh, wait a minute. Who is this man I want to protest? If he knows how terrorists think, it doesn’t sound like the Bush admin. knows who he is, either.
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 amCheney still thinks that the year is 2003 and he can get away with saying that garbage.
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 amBig Papa, I love bad boy’s, keep up the good work.
D.S., lot’s of luck with the vince peeee…a while back I went a round with that one and asked a question, never did get an answer.( can’t remember what it was now) like all neo con’s v.p. slimes the messenger’s and never answers….I just skip over all that one’s post’s, don’t have enough time to bother with some of the reich winger’s but I applaud you for trying…I can’t fix stupid and loose my patience trying..LOL…Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 am#187 – Sharon, Yes, it’s a standard tactic of the neo-con brainwashed:
Squeeze out your talking points, and when refuted by evidence and knowledge, run away.
I’m always surprised by the lies the neo-cons allow themselves to believe in.
Thank God for Speaker Pelosi and her inability to “suffer fools gladly’!
Then again, with the vast number of fools in the current administration and their dependence upon even more foolish people, Speaker Pelosi has her work cut out for her! I think she’s up to the job, though. ;-)
February 22nd, 2007 at 10:46 amPaul and vicious vagina – pls. see post #10 – thanks for playing into AlQaeda’s plans, you witless wonders.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 amBush can’t say that? Really? Was she born yesterday and completely oblivious to every single action Bush has done since becoming president?
WE’re talking claims of not planning war when he is amping up the war rhetoric…saying you can’t like 9/11 to Iraq while doing exactly that…saying he wants bipartisanship while promoting attacks against the opposition…going on listening tours before doing whatever he wants…saying he supports getting off oil while gutting the EPA and giving massive handouts to oil companies…saying he supports the environment while staffing environment groups with oil men…
Are the democrats this naive?
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 am#190 – “Are the democrats this naive?” Comment by Rosencrantz — February 22, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Actually, I think the Dems and Speaker Pelosi are actually beginning to call Pres. Bush on the lies and inconsistencies of his past and current statements.
Go, Speaker Pelosi! Give the neo-cons the smack-down!
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:19 amI agree Democrat Soldier, what bother’s me though is the 6 year’s of silence from the Dem’s and the slow response now…I sent emails two numerious to count to the Dem’s, kicking and screaming all that time and most were enabelers and voted with the Rep’s and never responded to me and my concern’s.
My feeling were and are, even and especielly when you know you are going to loose vote the proper way true to one’s concious for the betterment of the country and what the voter’s (employer’s) request…
Got the same response from the bush white house, no response..No suprise there…The Dem’s seldom respond now except for fund raising request’s…All along I have reminded them I have put in 45+ year’s of working with and for most of their ajenda….
When Clinton was in I recieved an answer to every letter and email I sent. Granted the response was from an aid I am sure but I alway’s got a response with good answers….
I collect vothing data for my representatives and let them know what I think and how I wish they should vote in my behalf, when they dont they get a little mark after their name and a note from me of disaproval…When they do good I send a thank you note for that vote…Enough check mark’s next voting time and I pick some one else or skip if no one suitable is running…I take voting very seriously and am well informed before election day…
People like you have kept that right for me and I will not throw it away..What we need now is to Impeach bush / cheney and rice…Stop the war and fix the messes this administration has caused…A mighty big ajenda, if not I will vote them out ….My patience is thin and getting thinner as I age.. This unnecessary war and losses of all our’s and their’s has made me crankie, suspect that will not change untill the killings stop…..Blessings
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 amThe killings wont stop until the Jihad is over.
When will that be ? Either when there are no more nonbelievers to Jihad against, or the Jihad is delegimatized.
Otherwise, we’re in for a Centurties-long conflict. The only thing that gave us a some quiet in the past was the West’s overwhelming supremacy. Oil allowed them to get resources.. and instead of building up their societie they funded the foundations of Jihad.
Democrats better wake up to this reality. THough they wont since that requires a reexamation of basic things like worldview, and there’s one thing Democrats dont do is reexamine what they do, or look at the past to learn how to keep from making the same mistakes or examine the consequences of thier fanciful wishful thinking.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 amDemocrat Soldier is a good example of wishful thinking over reality,. THe fact he thinks he “won” by countering what I said earlier with silly rantings demostrates the bankruptcy of analysis the regressives are afflicted with.
rachel: “Why would such an accomplished American woman be so savagely and viciously trashed and dishonored…”
Because she has lied to the American people many times about the most important of matters. Because, by her own testimony to congress, she is either the most incompetent National Security Advisor in history guilty of lying to Congress. Remember, she testified that she didn’t read all of a 90-page report on Iraq’s missing nuclear program right before we invaded Iraq. That’s either astoundingly incompetent or just another flat-out lie.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmis there anyone out there who sees that what cheney said was mistaken but not a smear? that he did not impugn her patriotism and, while mistaken, was entirely within acceptable discourse?
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmA Democrat: The Taliban is still strong in Afganistan, al Qaeda is getting stronger there with new Taliban support, so the administration’s policy in Afganistan and Pakistan is, by definition, failing.
Vince P’s reasoned response: “Do you know anything about Waziristan? I dont think you do…”
Arguing with Bush cultists is like taking a trip to the acute schizophrenic care ward.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmThe Emperor is naked.
Yet he walks gallantly, like a robed prince.
With his hairy-ass bear and filthy -
the proud pig prance around with pride.
His envoys and entourage keep their nose over their heads,
With eyes tightly closed to his fault,
Walking arrogantly beside him; praising, singing -
chanting to him what he adores.
Elected to live in his dreams,
Like Bacchus: the Emperor drinks, but of power.
Belching laws of caprice,
His nakedness to him is eligance, fashion & grace.
With criticism shunned in applause.
Error cloaked in grandiosity,
Insanity inscribed on marble & gold.
His tyranny is hailed as leniency.
Warriors die for his qualms.
Millions slaughtered to appease his ungodly indignation.
His wrath, a living hell for the offender,
Death and blood is the myth & glory he seeks.
Do we heed the higher arrogance of the Bush and the Dick?
Do we sing along with their jesters?
& dance & tumble along like their bought slaves & fools?
Do we tell the emperor what he adores?
The emperor is naked, and-
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 pmhe needs to be told.
The emperor needs a mirror – to seesth his shame,
his blindness, and flawless idiocy.
ruttiger: The Regressives abide not with any criticisms of the Party (may peace be upon it)
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmPelosi should thank her lucky stars that Cheney was a gentleman about the whole thing. He usually just shoots you in the face.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:22 pmWhat do you expect when ya get ruled,
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmby a Bush and a Dick?
ruttiger: “is there anyone out there who sees that what cheney said was mistaken but not a smear?”
Dick Cheney: “Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam has reconstituted his nuclea weapons program.”
Is there a Bush cultist out there anywhere who will admit that this statement was a flat-out lie?
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:28 pmit’s double (or triple) standards day again in rightieland
Seriously, vince, rutt, and crew – if i wanted to hear rightie propaganda, i could sit here and make it up myself – that really is how transparent and predictable you guys are, and why it’s so easy for islamic wackos to make you go flailing away in the dark, wasting lives and money every day. you dolts would spend the last $ and the last soldier’s life on this fool’s errand, and drag the US into bankruptcy (which would be administered by Chinese communists, ’cause that’s who you’re borrowing all your precious war-makin $ from)
Hey righties – who do you want to ship a planeload of cash to this week?
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmShe deserves a hero tag.
February 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmGive em hell, Nancy, and never back down!
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmNow we’re finding chemical weapons being made in Baghdad. This is your fault… the terrorists have sensed our defeat (as projected by the Democrat). so now they are probably thinking that if they go to these extremists the Democrats will start shrieking like girls demanding we save our troops from chemical attack.
See once you start to show weakness, the Jihadi wolves go into a frenzy. you are making them go into frenzies by supporting them and attacking teh US. You will be responisble once they figure out how to make thier new weapons work.
Hey,, that’s something you’re Progressive on, finally.
February 22nd, 2007 at 1:40 pmfrom #209
Now we’re finding chemical weapons being made in Baghdad. This is your fault… the terrorists have sensed our defeat (as projected by the Democrat). so now they are probably thinking that if they go to these extremists the Democrats will start shrieking like girls demanding we save our troops from chemical attack…”
Yes, all those Iraqis who have loved ones killed in this attack in this civil war are cursing and blaming the Americans who were against this optional war in the first place, saying “If only so many Americans hadn’t criticized the policies of their President, the terrorists in our country wouldn’t have been emboldened to do this to us!” Yeah, those terrorists would never have done this otherwise.
This isn’t about caring for the lives of Iraqis, and it never has been. The most important thing is that Bush must NEVER be held responsible for the results of what he’s done.
Weakness?
The terrorists have sensed weakness since 2003. It’s not new. They saw weakness when their army was disbanded. They saw weakness in the Provisional Authority’s overlooking corruption in rebuilding. They saw weakness when it was demonstrated that the pipelines would need more protection. They saw weakness when the provisional authority packed up and left. They saw weakness when Iraqis started losing faith in the ability of their state to protect them. They saw weakness when American soldiers had to improvise their own armor. They saw weakness when Falluja needed to be re-taken. They saw weakness when car bombs started killing dozens in Bagdhad virtually every day. They saw weakness in the growth of the militias and the descent into civil war. The terrorists have seen weakness all around them since 2003. It would be hard to miss it. Whose weakness is it which has been on display all that time? Who was supposed to be in charge? Where does the buck stop? Whose idea was this optional war? Who executed the invasion? Who was supposed to have a plan for the aftermath?
Answer those questions, and you’ll see where the terrorists see weakness coming from.
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:29 pmVince, here’s how your logic works: your guy disturbs a hornets nest. Chaos insues. Your guy’s policies increase the chaos instead of dealing with it. Things get worse. Then you demand that those who didn’t create the chaos come up with a solution to it and refuse to blame your guy for creating it in the first place. On top of that, you call the concern for safety of our own troops “shrieking like girls.” I’m sure the troops appreciate your support for them. Vince, it is not weakness to admit that we have made a huge mistake. That’s actually strength.
And, again, I point out that you conveniently ignore the many examples people have given you above that illustrate LIES that Bush and his people have told the American people. Do you think anyone should be held accountable for these lies, Vince?
February 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 pmDemocrats are having a bad week. Pass the popcorn.
Divided govt is going to prove a savior to the Bush Administration. The Democrats have come off like such a bunch of crybaby whiners with Hitlery and Nancy leading the way.
February 22nd, 2007 at 3:01 pmHA HA Righties – enjoy your final days out from under your slimy rocks.
LHT – you’re a puss, and I could totally kick your ass in a fight, if you weren’t too big a puss to fight me.
All this fuss you’re a-puttin out is just more proof that you’re losing and you know it. Decent people don’t want to be associated with hateful trash like you – never did.
All getting swept into the dustbin of history, with the Klan, Joe McCarthy, and eugenics
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:31 pmHey righties – who do you want to ship a planeload of cash to this week?
(f’in idiots)
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:32 pmGood story Shirley.. You know how you can tell that terrorist wasn’t a Democrat? He didn’t criticize America once in the whole interview.
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pmTom: Which group of people do you want to leave in bondage and depravation when it’s in your capacity to free them from it?
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:47 pmTom baker applauds:
ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — An Egyptian blogger was convicted Thursday and sentenced to four years in prison for insulting Islam, the Prophet Muhammad and Egypt’s president, sending a chill through fellow Internet writers who fear a government crackdown.
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:48 pmAbdel Kareem Nabil, a 22-year-old former student at Egypt’s Al-Azhar University, an Islamic institution, was a vocal secularist and sharp critic of conservative Muslims in his blog. He also lashed out often at Al-Azhar — the most prominent religious center in Sunni Islam — calling it “the university of terrorism” and accusing it of encouraging extremism.
“Al Qaeda leaders and the jihadist movement in general always have taken a long view of the war, and discussion of a U.S. withdrawal from either Iraq or Afghanistan has long been anticipated. In planning the 9/11 attacks, al Qaeda leaders clearly expected that the United States, once drawn into a war, eventually would weaken and lose heart. A study of al Qaeda’s philosophy, mindset and planning — conveyed through the words and actions of its leadership — is a reminder of just how the current U.S. political debate fits into the jihadist timeline and strategy.
It also is an indicator that a U.S. withdrawal from Muslim lands is not al Qaeda’s ultimate requirement for ending attacks against the United States or American interests abroad.“
February 22nd, 2007 at 4:51 pmA world without America from UK
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pmVince – you, and Fox viewers.
get a cardboard sign and take it down to the streetcorner, chicken little.
we’re in hock up to our eyebrows to Communists in China to fight a war against some loudmouth religious wackos from the middle east. That’s just STUPID, no matter which party you belong to.
If you want to hear from some homegrown wackos that want to kill a bunch of people Google “white pride” one time, and check out some of those sites – those are our fellow citizens – would you want someone in another country judging YOU by what THEY have to say? Kinda doubt it.
Maybe you’ll get really lucky and your right-wing buddies won’t find out you’re gay, and beat you into a coma, ’cause that’s what they’re all about. Quit hating yourself, and link up with people who don’t want to segregate and discriminate you.
In the meantime, quit taking up so much goddamned space with your tedious cut-and-paste bullshit.
February 22nd, 2007 at 5:27 pmLittle Vince has a Bad Day
Poor little Vince is having trouble sleeping. He worries that the big bad islamacists are going to take over the capital and fly the crescent flag above the whitehouse. It’ll be the end of our way of life, dammit! He stamps his feet, clenches his little fists and, tears in his eyes, screams to the heavens, “it’s all the fault of those damn liberals.”
February 22nd, 2007 at 6:16 pmTom and Bluedog, your hysterics are typical as is your lack of objective information. Keep crying pusses.
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:33 pmVince at 1:40: “This is your fault… the terrorists have sensed our defeat (as projected by the Democrat). so now they are probably thinking that if they go to these extremists the Democrats will start shrieking like girls demanding we save our troops from chemical attack.”
Vince, 4 hours later: “Tom and Bluedog, your hysterics are typical as is your lack of objective information. Keep crying pusses.”
Hey, Vince, you just keep feeding us that “objective information.” Your thoughtful input is greatly appreciated.
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmI provide plenty of objective information. That I don’t do so in every post is unremarkable. Too bad you dont inspect those other messages and follow the information and learn about the Jihad.
Oh well i’m sure your little 6 year old type sniping makes you feel better.
February 22nd, 2007 at 7:47 pmA good response would also be, “I think if we were to do what (Vice President Cheney) and (President Bush) (have) suggest(ed), all we’ll do is…end up stuck in a quagmire in Iraq and be $500 billion poorer.
February 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmCheney continues to pimp the idea that if we don’t keep ourselves in the middle of Iraq’s civil war, then we will be doomed to fight those guys on the streets of D.C. or Coeur D’Alene Idaho.
The only downside to Cheney’s Worldwide Rhetoric Tour is that it could go on for 22 more months.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pm