“CBS has a bias. We don’t.â€
By on Feb 24th, 2007 at 2:58 pm
“CBS has a bias. We don’t.â€
– Sean Hannity, who is upset about this 60 Minutes report on active duty soldiers protesting the war. Apparently he never saw this.
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Bias as in telling the truth?
February 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThis just days after private-jet loving Hannity did a completely unsupported hit piece on Al Gore’s supposed use of private planes…
For the details, see:
February 24th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“The Plane Truth: Private Jet-Setter Hannity Attacks Gore.”
It would be truly something if Hannity had the integrity (and more) of a Pat Tillman, and marched his rear end down to an Armed Forces Recruiting office, since he is so deeply invested in the Iraq war. Of course, that will never, ever happen.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pmSean Hannity should look and think before he opens his yap-trap and ends up putting his own big foot into his even bigger mouth! When the brave soldiers who HAVE ACTUALLY SERVED OUR COUNTRY and KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AT FIRST HAND VOICE THEIR HONEST OPINIONS, Hannity should step out of the way and keep his 2 cents worth of useless opinions to himself!!!!!
February 24th, 2007 at 3:18 pmhey hannity! fcuk you…
February 24th, 2007 at 3:32 pmSean Hannity has never let facts get in the way of what he says.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:33 pmSean should stick to covering Anna Nicole Smith.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pmCheney: All options open for Iran
Brilliant shall we start with talk then ?????? Duh
February 24th, 2007 at 3:42 pmSean Hannity is a Nazi propagandist. People like him are a disgrace to this country and the human race.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmSince we are losing this bogus war, ALL people the “support the troops”, should do exactly that. Go sign up and fight. Quit telling me I should do this and that, if you cant practice what you preach.
Please send Sean Hannity to Iraq, as a soldier! I bet his tune changes real quick.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmWell, one thing’s for sure. Hannity has realized that if he gives the military regular on-air blow jobs it makes him look like a real tough guy.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmhannity is to bias as white is to rice.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:58 pmCan anyone, anywhere name one ph*cking thing this a$$wipe has done for this country? Breathing doesn’t count, trolls!!!
Sean Hannity = CUA (Completely Useless American)!!!!
February 24th, 2007 at 4:05 pmSean Hannity should go to sleep…
February 24th, 2007 at 4:06 pmdid anyone notice the FOX TOP VIDEO?
Kill for the Thrill?
Teens murdering homeless people for sport
that says alot…
February 24th, 2007 at 4:21 pm“CBS has a bias. We don’t.†— Sean Hannity, who is upset about this 60 Minutes report on active duty soldiers protesting the war. Apparently, he never saw this…
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It also appears that he never saw the European edition of the Wall Street Journal on May 20 of 2005 — because according to an article in Slate from 2005, the London Bureau Chief of Fox News essentially admitted that Fox News is slanted. Here’s a quote from the article (which can be found at this link: http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/)
Here is what Norvell fessed up to in the May 20 Wall Street Journal Europe:
“Even we at Fox News manage to get some lefties on the air occasionally, and often let them finish their sentences before we club them to death and feed the scraps to Karl Rove and Bill O’Reilly. And those who hate us can take solace in the fact that they aren’t subsidizing Bill’s bombast; we payers of the BBC license fee don’t enjoy that peace of mind.
Fox News is, after all, a private channel and our presenters are quite open about where they stand on particular stories. That’s our appeal. People watch us because they know what they are getting. The Beeb’s institutionalized leftism would be easier to tolerate if the corporation was a little more honest about it.”
Norvell never says the word “conservative” in describing “where [Fox's anchorpeople] stand on particular stories,” or what Fox’s viewers “know … they are getting.” But in context, Norvell clearly is using the example of Fox News to argue that political bias is acceptable when it isn’t subsidized by the public (as his op-ed’s target, the leftish BBC, is), and when the bias is acknowledged. Norvell’s little joke about clubbing lefties to death should satisfy even the most literal-minded that the bias Norvell describes is a conservative one.
It appears that Hannity also hasn’t heard this recent quote from the big cheese himself, Rupert Murdoch, during a recent appearance at the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum (the quote comes courtesy of The Hollywood Reporter, and the link can be found here:
“Asked if his News Corp. managed to shape the agenda on the war in Iraq, Murdoch said: ‘No, I don’t think so. We tried.’”
Those last two words speak volumes. Attempting to shape policy is neither the responsibility nor the prerogative of a news organization — or at least, certainly not one which honors the ethical standards of the journalistic profession. The responsibility of a reputable news organization is supposed to be reporting the facts and doing so accurately rather than favoring one side over the other in the attempt to manipulate policy or public opinion.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:26 pmKill for the Thrill?
Teens murdering homeless people for sport
Comment by katy #15
katy,
Duhmerica’s children…
…have learned well the lessons from their evil parents…
…life for the least, weak, defenseless, forlorn, down-and-out…
…is not as worthy as your privileged, spoiled, prideful, arrogant life…
…have sport with them as they are your play things…
…All elitist cultures throughout history (from the Romans to the New World interlopers)…
…have callously, needlessly and with mindless murderous debauched fury…
…snuffed out innocent lives who did no harm to them…
…their (the victims’) only crime was being defenseless…
…but ultimately justice prevails…
…and those who commit such heinous acts are held to account…
…if not by man…
…then by God…
…their Karma demands it…
February 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHe also is apparently unaware of Lt. Watada, whom the Army is attempting yet again to prosecute because he has dared to point out the obvious, that the war/occupation in Iraq has been based upon lies, and the IVAW [Iraq Veterans Against the War] who are calling for the immediate withdrawal of the troops from Iraq.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHannity is a clueless idiot.
But we all knew that. Moving along….
February 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmAnother propaganda announcement brought to you by the folks at Fox Stupid.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:54 pmHannity… this guy is still around?
February 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmTruth has a liberal bias.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:57 pmWhy doesn’t Hannity offer to do a show on the good mold and rat droppings do for the morale and health of the great Americans he loves so much.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:34 pmso other than schoolyard progressive name calling , do any of you contend that CBS doesn’t have a bias?
February 24th, 2007 at 5:44 pmso other than schoolyard progressive name calling , do any of you contend that CBS doesn’t have a bias? Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
So other than schoolyard right wingnut name calling, do you contend that CBS has a bias, and that fox doesn’t? Otherwise no one here can understand why a dum bass mouth breather would post the crap you just did?
February 24th, 2007 at 5:54 pmHannity is a clueless idiot.
Comment by Zooey #18
…which makes him PERFECT for his target audience…
…Vince P and the gang…
PROOF:
“do any of you contend that CBS doesn’t have a bias?”
Comment by Vince P #23
No Vince,
…I don’t…
…CBS is owned by a huge corporation…
…that contributes HEAVILY to the Repulsivescum Party…
…as a matter of fact Bob Schieffer has said that he’s a Bush family “friend”…
…I’d say that makes CBS biased towards…
…the Bushites…
…and that forged letter on Bush’s desertion…
…was probably planted by Rove…
…to destroy Dan Rather…
…but the document’s premise was factual…
February 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pmCBS has a bias toward journalism. It is an art, not a science, and the professionals at CBS work toward finding and reporting the truth. They are very frequently right on target.
Faux “News” has a bias for spinning stories to reflect a right-wing, neocon agenda. It is an art, but they are not very artful at it. They are so far from reporting the truth that their viewers can’t even see the target-them.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:01 pmHere’s a great piece from one of Minnesota’s weeklies about “supporting the troops,” how it is and isn’t done:
http://www.pulsetc.com/article.php?sid=2999
Troops suffer from non-support
Wednesday 21 February @ 17:09:08
By Chante Wolf
Cheryl Fields, the widow of John Fields, a Vietnam combat Marine who died on Jan. 15 from his exposure to Agent Orange, told me about her husband’s transformation after Vietnam: “John went to Vietnam believing in God, country and the American way. When he came home, he believed in none of it. That is when he was rejected by the very clergy, friends and family who said it was OK to go and fight in Vietnam in the first place … PTSD [post-traumatic stress disorder] is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. It is what makes us human, and John worked hard most the rest of his life to get people to understand that about war veterans. He started rap and AA groups in the 1980s so there was a place the vets could gather, talk, get angry, cry, grieve and heal their emotional and spiritual wounds from the war that raged inside them. But then all of that changed as the VA has now started to move away from the rap groups and into … psych ward[s], administering medications instead of letting the vets talk and heal from the spiritual aspect of their trauma.”
February 24th, 2007 at 6:02 pm…
Comment by chimpeach #27
you’re right chimp…
…GREAT post…
…ALL DUHmericans should read it…
February 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmDear Vinous P(enis)
“do any of you contend that CBS doesn’t have a bias?”
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
You are right Pee!
CBS is absolutely biased in favor of Corporate Facists, Repugnicans and troll SuckUps, that are HELL-BENT on PH*CKING EVERYONE on any rung of the LADDER beneath their BLOOD CLOTTED SHOES!!!!
February 24th, 2007 at 6:11 pmComment by emerald #26
….emerald you do a grave disservice to CBS…
…when you attempt to defend them in comparison to…
…the Fox (conned’self-servative) Propaganda Network of TREASON…
…but CBS has (like all MSM) played along with the Bushite “war on terror”…
…con…
February 24th, 2007 at 6:13 pmAs Paul Harvey used to say, “And now, the rest of the story”
Hannity stated that 60 Minutes was doing a story about 60 “troops” that signed a petition speaking out against the war in Iraq. In order to give both sides he asked that if you are in the military and would like to see us stay in Iraq until the “job is done” to e-mail him. He wants to see how many “troops” support our being there vice the 60 that signed the petition. I am willing to bet he has more than 60.
Showing the other side. Point and counter point. What a concept.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:14 pmre: 23 “do any of you contend that CBS doesn’t have a bias?” CBS has a bias for the mundane. Do you contend that Hannity and the Faux News gang doesn’t have a bias? Whatever bias CBS has is nothing compared to the Fascist News Stenographers.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:14 pmVince,
then why do they lie about Barak Obama? Why were they so worried about perjury when it was a Dem and so dismissive of it when Scooter is in trouble? Why do they still lie about WMD in IraQ? Answer one of those questions honestly or go away troll boy.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:17 pmI’d have some respect for Hannity’s support the troops meme if he organized and encouraged his loyal listeners to demand why our troops are fighting tooth and nail with the Army to get the disability benefits they deserve and to fix the Walter Reed’s outpatient facility and the VA. And while they are supporting the troops perhaps it would behoove them to use their particular influence to demand that the troops coming home plagued with DU illnesses not be swept under the rug.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:29 pmPoor Vince. Cowering in his log closet, so afraid, so angry, so full of self-loathing. What’s the matter this time little one? Did CBS run a story critical of one of your masters? Not surprising you’d find something like that to be ‘biased’ considering you’d never hear anything like that on RNC, oops! I mean FNC. Are you claiming that Fox doesn’t have a ‘bias’?
February 24th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWell, obviously, Hannity is on an opinion show. If you want to point to bias, you must point to bias in thier standard news shows, not the opinion shows.
CBS and Dan Rather are known for thier blantant bias in the news room.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pmQuadrajet: Why lace your statement with gay statements? Do you have a problem?
February 24th, 2007 at 6:38 pmCBS and Dan Rather are known for thier blantant bias in the news room.
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
Vinous P(enis),
Your bias is in the MEN’S ROOM!!
February 24th, 2007 at 6:44 pm“When Progressives Gay-Bash, just like their religion, Islam” – Think Progress â„¢
February 24th, 2007 at 6:52 pmAnd like a cloud of locusts, whom the South
Wafts from the plains of wasted Africa,
The Mussulmen upon Iberia’s shore
Descend. A countless multitude they came;
Syrian, Moor, Saracen, Greek renegade,
Persian and Copt and Tartar, in one bond
Of erring faith conjoin’d, … strong in the youth
And heat of zeal, … a dreadful brotherhood,
In whom all turbulent vices were let loose;
While Conscience, with their impious creed accurst,
Drunk as with wine, had sanctified to them
All bloody, all abominable things.
- Vision of Judgment
February 24th, 2007 at 6:52 pmByron
Yes, Fox News never shows bias in the news room
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/04/fox_news_identifies_.html
February 24th, 2007 at 6:55 pmI don’t see why anyone cares what someone like Hannity has to say. One look at him and this country man knows he sees a slick kid who paid his way to a good education, has no morals, and has just enough contact with and admiration for men of power and insatiable greed that for a slice of the pie (crumbs off their plate) he is willing to say anything, regardless of the content or consequence. He is the devil’s advocate, and there is no changing him, for his soul is already sold.
Only cities have room for a guy like this to thrive. You have your loopholes and contradicting morality police that can’t decide on what’s good for anybody.
In small towns we don’t have dogcatchers. When a dog goes rabid we deal with it ourselves.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:56 pmDM
are you implying that we ought to treat hannity like a rabid dog?
February 24th, 2007 at 7:01 pm“Where Sean Hannity is possessed and We will kill him like Rabid Dog. We know because we watch Fox” – Think Progress â„¢
February 24th, 2007 at 7:01 pmYou people are liars when you say you’re concerned about media bias. Almost all news channels show bias yet you only complain about a channel that is not left-biased.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:02 pmHannity would know nothing about bias, he is always fair and balanced
February 24th, 2007 at 7:03 pmyo vinnie
i was talking about the faux new network not hannity. faux news has a bias. however, in hannity’s original comment he said “we don’t have a bias” so he is claiming that he does not have a bias. instead of responding to specific charges of bias on faux news you argue something else. perhaps you’re too stupid to answer the question, that would explain why you’re a faux news fan.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:05 pmvinnie you’re a ninnie.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:08 pm“You people are liars when you say you’re concerned about media bias. Almost all news channels show bias yet you only complain about a channel that is not left-biased.
Comment by Vince P”
Can you spell transference? Or, to say it in terms vinnie can understand “I know you are, but what am I?”
February 24th, 2007 at 7:11 pmI know what Hannity is. He’s the ultimate wannabe. He reminds me of a kid I used to know when I was younger. As a kidda, I used to run with a soccer Hooligan firm, the CSF. As with any proper firm, it was about clothes, passion for the team but, most of all, being able to steam in on a Saturday regardless of the odds. Hell, we had so many boys who wore the clothes and gave the noise but ran off when there was a sniff of trouble. We hated those little swines. Sean is that little boy for the Bush agenda. He sits behind his desk, makes a lot of noise in a safe environment but would never throw a punch in anger. He’s a no mark scummer.
Incidentally, I’m older and wiser these days and don’t condone Soccer violence. I use the example to illustrate what a coward the man is.
Oh what the Hell – I’m City till I die!! :-)
February 24th, 2007 at 7:11 pmThe Credit Card Society
I learned something new today: we can now “buy” a degree. I was expecting this kind of non-sence one day or another but now it is real and happening under our very eyes. I noticed that many of my ex-engineering student partners would have been idiot enough to send 10 000$ to their faculty to “buy” their certificate if they could. Well, you can now legally obtain the fake stamp. How could the human race could have reach that level of weak-mindness. People justify their level of achievement according to the size of the stack they gathered. Dad buy his son a brand new japanese convertible and pay his Princeton’s tuition… or Yale, Queens, McGill or you name it. I’ve been -screwed- in the academic process for such a long time to notice that when you’ll get out, nobody will ever give a damn about who you are, they will hire you for your Harvard papers and your ability to kiss other people’s butt. Maybe we should take care more about the educationnal issue but we are too busy building brand new state-of-the-art archologies where we teach our already-dead children where to build a plant in order to minimize the production cost of the little plastic phone plug and where to sell it to maximize the benefits, or in which Carribean island an executive should build his trust. And of course we tell our kids to “Stay in School”. After all, the sooner you hook them, the more slaves you will end up with to wax your shoes. The true beauty of this “freedom-oriented” continent in which we live is that for every one who survive, thousands are sent to pasture, feeding an artificial hero who post his synthetic face-lifted smile in another best-selling magazine who promotes slow-wit.
After “Grease”, they finally released “Greed”… That just says it all. KittScchhink…
Rachel – aka – The Crimson King
February 24th, 2007 at 7:28 pmVince,
Until you’re able to recognize the right-leaning bias of the corporate news media, your constant “liberal media bias” rant is nothing but propaganda. The right has been hammering away at this phoney issue for so long that the news media are frightened of saying anything critical of the administration for fear of being hounded as “liberals”.
If the news media had a liberal bias, they wouldn’t have given Bush a free pass for as long as they did. They never laid a glove on him during the 2000 campaign. There was only one news outlet that bothered to report on his missing National Guard years and the ease with which he was able to chicken out of serving in Vietnam.
None of the news media reported on the great Florida felon purge scam of 2000 that made the election close enough for Bush to steal until at least six months after the election was over. Greg Palast had the story and had an agreement from CBS to air it shortly after the election, but then CBS talked to Jeb and chickened out. Since they were so scared of reporting on it, you probably never heard that the NAACP sued Jeb Bush and Katharine Harris for kicking tens of thousands of eligible, African-American voters off the rolls, falsely claiming them to be felons. Jeb and Harris settled with the NAACP for an undisclosed amount.
All of the network and cable news outlets were cheerleaders for Bush’s war. Fox News even aired footage of artillery and rocket attacks on Baghdad set to orchestral music. You choose to ignore all of the support that the MSM gives to the right, how the RNC can get reporters to repeat their talking points without batting an eye. As long as you do, you can’t engage in a serious discussion of media bias. You don’t know what it is.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pmLet’s see, from Hannity’s reaction it appears that he expects CBS to “suppress” the story. Isn’t that bias? What an idiot.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pmA View Of The Radical Threat Of Islam and Those Who Simply Want To Ignore It
There are three books that are must reading for anyone who wants to understand the war we are in whether we like it or not.
This trilogy may be the most important reading of recent decades. It will convince any reasonable mind that our lives are at stake and so is our civilization.
Of course, those who believe that war is an elective even if you are under attack, and believe that you can say “I’m not participating†and the war will go away, will not be convinced. Furthermore, those who believe in the approach of current French government, “negotiate, appease, retreat, and surrender,†will also not be convinced. Finally, those who think we should conduct wars by opinion polling and then micromanage wars in an attempt to run, cut and capitulate will also not be convinced.
The rest of us will, and should read:
Mark Steyn, America Alone: The End Of The World As We Know It (2006),
Melanie Phillips, Londonistan (2005), and
Bruce Bawer, While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam Is Destroying The West From Within (2006).
[Vince comments: I have read all three]
The books pretty much demonstrate Europe is already gone, and has committed cultural suicide while surrendering to radical Islam. The United States may not be far behind unless we change our approach. The three books describe the problem and offer solutions.
All three should have received nothing but readers and prizes, but a funny thing happened to Bawer.
[Vince comments: By the way Bawer is a gay guy too. Maybe us gay guys are smarter than the Progressives. Bawer lived in the US, and after a while couldn’t take the oppression by Christian Fundamentalists so after writing a book about that , he fled to Europe and discovered not a abstract theological threat but a real physical , political threat of exponentially greater magnitude]
It was nominated for a National Book Critics Circle Award from a prestigious book group, but some involved in the process accused Bawer of being a racist, apparently because he offered criticism of radical Islam.
One board member of the Circle, Eliot Weinberg, said the book was “racism as criticism.†The President of the Circle said, “It’s hyperventilated rhetoric slips from actual critique into Islamophobia.†As far as I can tell such critics themselves did not speak to substance, but spoke only in their own hyperventilated and irrational rhetoric by condemning the book in hollow generalities, ignoring the most threatening facts and realities of our time.
Bawer had the perfect response: “As I and many others have pointed out a few million times, radical Islam is not a race…But it’s easy – and in some circles highly effective – to fling the ‘R’ word instead of trying to respond to irrefutable facts and arguments.â€
He continues, “One of the most disgraceful developments of our time is that many Western authors and intellectuals who pride themselves on being liberals have effectively aligned themselves with an outrageously illiberal movement that rejects equal rights for women, that believes gays and Jews should be executed, that supports the cold-blooded murder of one’s own children in the name of honor, etc., etc. These authors and intellectuals respond to every criticism of that chilling fundamentalist code – however cogent and correct the criticism may be – by hurling the ‘R’ word. I will not be cowed by such dangerous, duplicitous rhetoric. Civilized, tolerant, pluralistic values are at stake – values that affect freedom loving individuals of all races.â€
Then Bawer exposes his critics for the hypocritical, left-wing loonies and phonies they are: “Some people think it is terrific for writers to expose the offenses and perils of religious fundamentalism – just as long as its Christian fundamentalism.â€
Ron Dreher, who has written a book critical of Christian fundamentalist, writes that this is the standard approach of the left – to yell bigotry at any ideas they don’t want to confront, or perhaps can’t logically respond to.
Because the left views criticism of radical Islam as bigotry, it has failed to rationally respond to this existential threat to our civilization. For that reason, Europe has virtually surrendered its civilization to the on-rushing Islamic fundamentalists and the demands of Islam.
Dreher makes another point deadly to the critics of Bawer: “It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that this sort of liberal hates political conservatives and orthodox Christians more than he loves his own liberty.â€
These liberal types are in fact totally intolerant of ideas they don’t like, and instead of considering such ideas they simply reject them out of hand by branding them as racist, as bigotry, or by applying some other pejorative. It is ironic indeed that the great bastions of liberalism – our colleges and universities, our mainstream media, and Hollywood – have also become the bastions of intolerance and the closed mind. Observe the ex-President of Harvard, who was driven from office, by making the claim that there may be differences between men and women.
If it is not politically correct, you can’t talk about it or believe it. The list of things that are sacred to the left – such as global warming – are now considered beyond discussion and dispute.
Unless we consider the ideas of the Bawers, the Steyns, and the Phillips of this world, we will not be able to consider or even think about ideas other than those imposed by radical, fundamentalist Islam. I challenge anyone to read the trilogy on radical Islam – by Steyn, Phillips, and Bawer – and not be convinced of their thesis.
Herb Denenberg, a former Pennsylvania insurance commissioner and professor at the Wharton School, is a longtime Philadelphia journalist and consumer advocate. He is also a member of the National?Academy of Arts and Sciences. His column appears daily in The Bulletin. You can reach him at advocate@thebulletin.us.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI dont have cable, so unlike you folks I dont spend all day watching Fox. Maybe if you watched other channels you would notice their bias too.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:42 pmHoly hell in a hand basket:
2000 Islamic Terrorists Plotting in UK
Britain faces worst terror threat since Sept. 11, report says
UK leaked intelligence document says more than 2000 British Islamists believed to be plotting attacks
Associated Press Published: 02.25.07, 02:09 / Israel News
The threat of homegrown terrorists attacking Britain is greater now than any time since the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States, a British Sunday newspaper reported, citing a leaked intelligence document.
More than 2,000 British-based Islamic terrorists are believed to be plotting attacks, according to a government threat assessment prepared this month, which The Sunday Telegraph said it had seen.
“The scale of al-Qaeda’s ambitions towards attacking the UK and the number of UK extremists prepared to participate in attacks are even greater than we previously judged,” the newspaper quoted the document as saying.
The newspaper said the document was being circulated between the Home Office, defense ministry, M15 intelligence agency and Scotland Yard’s Anti-Terrorist Branch.
The Home Office declined to comment on the report, but said in a statement that security arrangements are under constant review.
Threat of terrorism ‘very real’
“As (MI5 Director-General) Eliza Manningham-Buller has stated publicly, the threat of terrorism in the UK is very real and includes the intent to kill people and damage our economy,” the statement said.
Manningham-Buller said in November that 1,600 people were suspected of involvement in terrorist plots against British targets.
Four suicide bombers killed 52 commuters in July 2005 transit attacks in London and security officials say they have foiled at least six other plots. Officials expect the number of plots to increase this year, the newspaper said.
The report also said Afghanistan is expected to increasingly become a magnet for Islamic extremists seeking to fight Western military forces. NATO and the alliance are fighting a growing Taliban insurgency there that left 4,000 dead last year.
“With violence in Afghanistan intensifying, and therefore receiving greater media attention, the country may well become more attractive as a venue for foreigners wishing to fulfill their Jihad ambitions,” the newspaper quoted the report as saying.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:52 pmVince P
Thanks for pointing out that the UK has already “committed cultural suicide” to Islamic extremists. I must have missed it, what with me going to the Football today, drinking a few pints and not having to follow Sharia law.
Yes, we have committed cultural suicide. I’ll remember how screwed up we are the next time I go for a pint with Mukesh. Of course, all the joshing we have about him being an Arsenal fan is simply an expression of how I’ve committed cultural suicide. In fact, when me and him try (and naturally fail) to chat up a couple of ladies it’s just a further example of how I’ve committed cultural suicide.
You really don’t have a clue do you?
February 24th, 2007 at 7:53 pmYou folks waste your time on your Right-wing-hatred, and all this is going on in the world.. SO insignificant are your worries.
“Pathetic Progressives” – Think Progressâ„¢
February 24th, 2007 at 7:54 pmUKDenial:
You being in denial doesn’t make me the one with a mental problem.
Watch this and tell me there isn’t a problem
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EA0270E133DC8334
Dispatches – UK Channel 4, aired 15th January 2007. Radicalisation of UK mosques by Saudi Wahabbism
February 24th, 2007 at 8:00 pm“Just because we volunteered for the military doesn’t mean we volunteered to put our lives in unnecessary harm and to carry out missions that are illogical and immoral,” Madden says.
The petition reads: “As a patriotic American proud to serve the nation in uniform, I respectfully urge my political leaders in Congress to support the prompt withdrawal of all American military forces and bases from Iraq . Staying in Iraq will not work and is not worth the price. It is time for U.S. troops to come home.”
This is all that needs to be known, and if we truly “support our troops” this is what we should do. Period.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:01 pm55. Vince P
Yeah, we know people are trying to kill us. Shit, I’ve lived with it all my life. For the first 20 years of my life it was Irish republicans trying to blow me up. Today it’s Islamic extremists. Big deal. Next year it could be Welsh separatists for all I know. So what? Life is too short to be scared of stuff like this. Jesus, if you do let them get to you then the terrorists win. I’m still going to head out, sink a few pints, go to the match, try and pull, get on the plane and head to Europe for the stag bash.
Stop being scared. Just get on with it. Life is too short to be as scared as you are.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:04 pmHannity is an idiot.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:06 pmComment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
As I say, so what? Another bunch of people are trying to blow me up. If Channel 4 can expose it I’m sure MI5 are all over it. Whilst your filling your boots I’ll get on with my life.
Stop being so scared hey? I know it’s hard to accept risk but I’m sure you can do it.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:07 pm“You people are liars when you say you’re concerned about media bias. Almost all news channels show bias yet you only complain about a channel that is not left-biased.
Comment by Vince Pâ€
Smakkety smakkety smakkety.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:09 pm#
It would be truly something if Hannity had the integrity (and more) of a Pat Tillman, and marched his rear end down to an Armed Forces Recruiting office, since he is so deeply invested in the Iraq war. Of course, that will never, ever happen.
Comment by whack — February 24, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Unfortunately, he’s a couple of years too old to enlist now..he’s 46, and the maximum age is 44 (Federal law), but each service has their own guidelines for max. age…mostly 42 for the Army-active, reserve and guard. The other services have lower ages as their maximum. So Hannity is free and clear. Typical chickenhawk. Too old to enlist, and never served even during peacetime.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:10 pmStop being scared. Just get on with it. Life is too short to be as scared as you are.
Comment by UKBristolDave
Nail on head, Dave.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:10 pmVince P.
Since you seem to be convinced that Islam is a problem, I would like to hear your solution for the problem.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:15 pmUK: So what you’re saying is Peace in Our Time ? You guys tried that last time.
I’m not “scared”, if I was I would be silent, or would have caved to constant demonization this earns me.
You’re the one who is scared, because you obviously haven’t used your brian to see where the Muslims in UK are going to take your country. To compare them with your neighbors is absurd.
Not to mention your indifference to the brutality being imposed on the women stuck in those communities.
“More Moslems came, and soon a small mosque was built, which attracted yet others. As long as Zoroastrians remained in the majority, their lives were tolerable; but once the Moslems became the more numerous, a petty but pervasive harassment was apt to develop. This was partly verbal, with taunts about fire-worship, and comments on how few Zoroastrians there were in the world, and how many Moslems, who must therefore posses the truth; and also on how many material advantages lay with Islam.
The harassment was often also physical; boys fought, and gangs of youth waylaid and bullied individual Zoroastrians. They also diverted themselves by climbing into the local tower of silence and desecrating it, and they might even break into the fire-temple and seek to pollute or extinguish the sacred flame. Those with criminal leanings found too that a religious minority provided tempting opportunities for theft, pilfering from the open fields, and sometimes rape and arson.
Those Zoroastrians who resisted all these pressures often preferred therefore in the end to sell out and move to some other place where their co-religionists were still relatively numerous, and they could live at peace; and so another village was lot to the old faith. ”
February 24th, 2007 at 8:15 pmBoyce, A Persian Stronghold of Zoroastrianism, pp. 7-8;
Comment by Zooey — February 24, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
Damn right bud. I’m off to an event tomorrow that is a major terrorist risk. Chelsea vs Arsenal final of the Carling cup. The only thing I’m worried about is that the British Transport Police have banned alcohol on the train to Cardiff. Jesus, it’s a cup final! Half the point is a cup final is that the 80,000 in the stadium should be “tired and emotional”.
It surprises me about the right. They are always so gung-ho but are also terrified of a minimal risk. Sounds like therapy time to me…
February 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pmStop being scared. Just get on with it. Life is too short to be as scared as you are.
Comment by UKBristolDave — February 24, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Vince P is the perfect representative of the 30% who continue to support Bush. They are SCARED. They bought the whole thing, and think it’s ok to allow wiretaping of AMERICANS without warrants…because it’s “keeping us safe.” It’s OK for the government to read our mail, or eliminate habeus corpus, or put chips into our bodies to track our movements because it “keeps us safe.” This is the legacy of the Bush Administration, and anyone who thinks this “legacy” represents the America that most of us want to live in and be proud of has another think coming. Ben Franklin said this…and I agree with him 100%. Only a coward would make the other choice.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:25 pmThose Zoroastrians who resisted all these pressures often preferred therefore in the end to sell out and move to some other place where their co-religionists were still relatively numerous.
And the longer we keep viewing our future thru the past the better the chance to repeat it.
Yes, I understand what your saying, and sorry, but the large majority of people simple cannot divorce themselves of past religious wars, and hate. They can no more divorce themselves of the color of their skin as they can their idiotic hatred of skin color.
Humans, for whatever f’n reason, cannot see themselves as being from one simple atom, a smaller part of the big picture, no, they don’t have a clue from where they came, or where they are going.
Mankind, because of his beliefs, is his own worst enemy.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmVince, you are nothing more than a bigot spewing hate speech against a religion that you think is weirder than yours.
News Flash– All religions are weird and their texts advocate murder of others with a different religion. Koran, Torah, Bible: All 3 are based on the Abrahamic followers in the middle east.
You are a bigot that is scared of a religion based on the same historical tree that yours is. You fear so much that you hate.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmYou are irrational.
Ashen: I have no solution.
There are defenses though.. ending all Muslim immigration to the US. Monitoring all Mosques. etc..
February 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmVince P
Bang on, I haven’t used my “brian” on this one. I know, comparing British Muslims with the British Muslims I know is clearly insane. I should use me “brian” more and listen to someone who knows no British Muslims. He’s obviously a master of his “brian”.
Don’t try and change the subject. Yes, I disagree with a fair bit of Muslim teaching on how to treat women. However, your point is about how scared you are. Don’t worry, whilst you hunker down in your sofa fort the rest of us will get on with our lives
February 24th, 2007 at 8:28 pm“The Minimal Risk of Jihad since 2003″
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February 24th, 2007 at 8:29 pmhmmm … you know how Iran has its Islamic government? Zoroastrians still live in Iran, and they are not persecuted. Funny that, isn’t it.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:31 pmmpeachcheneythenbush
Didn’t some bloke at your end, in that dirty revolutionary war you forced on us god fearing English ( ;-) ) say something along the lines of sacrificing freedom for security meant you deserved neither?
February 24th, 2007 at 8:31 pm#72 Vince P.
Should we give all Muslims an armband with a crescent moon on it? You know, for security purposes.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:32 pmComment by Wayne — February 24, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
I disagree. Vince P is scared. It’s OK to be scared. I’ve been scared before. Hell, if you’re a Bristol City fan and dodged the police escort on your way to Cardiff City you know the real meaning of fear!
However, Vince doesn’t seem to understand the probability of anything happening to him. I know terrorists have been exploding bombs in the UK since I was born. Given the fact that the UK population is around the 60 million mark, it’s a minimal risk. However, being in a mob of thirty, unescorted by the police on the way to Ninian Park with 400 Soul Crew after your blood is a real risk.
Yeah, it’s a British Football (Soccer) thing
February 24th, 2007 at 8:39 pmComment by Vince P #55
“They’re coming to get you Vinnie….ooooohhhhhhh!!!”
racist bi*ch…
February 24th, 2007 at 8:39 pmThere are defenses though.. ending all Muslim immigration to the US. Monitoring all Mosques. etc..
Comment by Vince P
Ya know Vince, extremism is extremism.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pmTim McVeigh was an extremist, got any ideas on that?
Comment by AshenShard — February 24, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Of course all Muslims should be. I mean, all Muslims are a homogenous group. OK, I drink with Mukesh, I used to date Amirah, Umran used to sell weed and Kirsten is very devout but all deserve to be all treated the same.
Jesus……replace Muslims with the word Jews Vince. Then think about what you’re saying.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:43 pmZoroastrians still live in Iran, and they are not persecuted. Funny that, isn’t it.
Comment by AshenShard
I still find it peculiar that man puts his beliefs, that what he has yet to prove, metaphysically or physically, above his design.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:46 pmComment by Valiant Vince — February 24, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Fella, I hope you didn’t think me earlier post refered to you.
Vince P is a little crybaby. He has no concept of risk analysis.
BOOO!
Was that the ghost in your closet Vince P or not? It could be an IslamoFascist or something. You best vote on the the scared ticket next election. Or you could grown a pair….
February 24th, 2007 at 8:48 pmIt surprises me about the right. They are always so gung-ho but are also terrified of a minimal risk. Sounds like therapy time to me…
Comment by UKBristolDave
Have a great time! I have a feeling you can handle yourself in any situation.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:48 pmDont accuse me of being a Nazi for merely noticing that whereever the number of Muslims increase, so do the attacks on Jewish people. As is happening all over Europe. I am noticing the racist behavior of members of a religion that calls for its religion to kill all the jews.
Me racist? Hardly. religion isn’t a race. You defend the people who attack Jews, women, gays, non-members, etc.. How can you?
February 24th, 2007 at 8:49 pm>However, Vince doesn’t seem to understand the probability of anything happening to him
I work in the Sears Tower in Chicago. The threat is real to me every day I have to go through the x-ray.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:51 pm#
mpeachcheneythenbush
Didn’t some bloke at your end, in that dirty revolutionary war you forced on us god fearing English ( ;-) ) say something along the lines of sacrificing freedom for security meant you deserved neither?
Comment by UKBristolDave — February 24, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
Yes, as I stated above noting that Vince is a prime coward: Ben Franklin said this…and I agree with him 100%. Only a coward would make the other choice.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
However, I can’t agree on that “dirty revolutionary war” comment. I do believe we were fighting against a crazy King named George at the time…much like we are today.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:53 pmQuadrajet: Why lace your statement with gay statements? Do you have a problem?
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
No Vince I don’t, I’m fairly certain it’s you whose got the problem my friend. There was only one reference in my post that had to do with gay anything – that would have been the one about your log closet – unless you’re reading some unintended meaning into the ‘your masters’ line. The others were references to the emotional problems you obviously suffer from and you’ve since displayed, once again, in your subsequent postings.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:53 pmThats right Vince, Islam isn’t a race. So you how do you propose to stop “muslim immigration”?
February 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pm#84 Vince P.
Racism is more than just ‘race’ in the biological definition. It is a rather flexible, and is also used to label bigots like you who single out a group of people only for their religion. Its also a simplification of the label for you since there is no one word to explain what you are. But if you want an accurate description of people like you, I can try my best:
bigoted, xenophobic, bed wetting, anti-Muslim, hate mongering, sheep.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pm#
Me racist? Hardly. religion isn’t a race. You defend the people who attack Jews, women, gays, non-members, etc.. How can you?
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
#
Now this is funny. Replace “Jews” with “blacks” and you’ve just called out the far right of the Republican party.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThe UK guy quoted a Founding Father, Franklin.. here are some more quotes by notable Americans of days yore, with exception of perhaps Ted Roosevelt, all of these are from the 1700s and 1800s before the Revival of Islam in the 1900s.
John Quincy Adams wrote:
In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams’s capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.”
Theodore Roosevelt wrote:
“The Greeks who triumphed at Marathon and Salamis did a work without which the world would have been deprived of the social value of Plato and Aristotle, of Aeschylus, Herodotus, and Thucydides. The civilization of Europe, America, and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization, because the victories stretching through the centuries from the days of Miltiades and Themistocles to those of Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.â€
“During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today nobody can find in them any “social values” whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influence. There are such “social values” today in Europe, America, and Australia only because during those thousand years the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do – that is, to beat back the Moslem invader.â€
(Honorary American) Winston Churchill, wrote in 1899:
“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticismâ€.
John Quincy Adams wrote in 1829:
“The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force”.
John Wesley (1703-91) wrote,
“Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it…have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind”.
William Eaton, US Consul to Tunis, wrote in 1799:
“Considered as a nation, they are deplorably wretched, because they have no property in the soil to inspire an ambition to cultivate it. They are abject slaves to the despotism of their government, and they are humiliated by tyranny, the worst of all tyrannies, the despotism of priestcraft. They live in more solemn fear of the frowns of a bigot who has been dead and rotten above a thousand years, than of the living despot whose frown would cost them their lives…The ignorance, superstitious tradition and civil and religious tyranny, which depress the human mind here, exclude improvement of every kind…”
February 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pmQuadra: Just come out and say it… you hate gay people who dont follow you.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:58 pmForget it Vince, I’ll answer for you…turn all “darkies” away. That’s what you and your ilk are really driving at isn’t it?
February 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pm#88 erock
heh, maybe we should all convert to Islam just to piss Vince P. off … or is that make him piss his pants?
February 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pmFella, I hope you didn’t think me earlier post refered to you.
Of course not. =)
February 24th, 2007 at 9:01 pmI work in the Sears Tower in Chicago. The threat is real to me every day I have to go through the x-ray.
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
No Vince, that isn’t understanding risk. You go through a security measure everyday. The two are very different.
I go on the London tube at least 30 times a month. We’ve actually had bombings there. Should I be scared Vince P? Or should I just go on with my life?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:01 pmUKBristolDave,
I imagine Vince wants you to for a lynch mob and clean out all the Arab neighborhoods within driving distance. Then you can stop being scared and go on with your life. A win-win.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:03 pmComment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
The “UK Guy” is called UKBristolDave. Are you to scared to call me that as well. Jesus, do you still need a night light on or something?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:04 pmWhen Vince is losing ground, he starts posting the long-assed crap, and playing the “you have a problem with teh gay” card.
Piss-soaked troll.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:05 pm>Tim McVeigh was an extremist, got any ideas on that?
As a rule, I dont answer questions that are really logical fallacies or those that are lame.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:05 pmUK go on and keep attacking that straw man. Deflect deflect deflect.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:06 pmerock: turn all the darkies away
Huh? Are you aware that islam is a universalist religion and not specific to any ethnicity or race.
Are you a racist by implying that only “darkies” are Muslim?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:07 pmUKBristolDave : it’s easier to type the shorter name, but I’ll use your full name if you wish.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pmThere is another one, any time we make logical points, Vince Piss in Pants claims are points are illogical, lame, or irrelevant.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI know what Vince is driving at, because of where he works.
Yes Vince, I worked at and have security clearance badges, used too, for many airports across the country. I worked on the ramps of the airports. We watched films about such things, many of them.
You are doing a fine job Vince, keep your eyes open, be alert. If you see something report it.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:09 pmre 102,
Yes Vince, I am aware of that. So how do you propose to stop “muslim imigration” or muslim conversion for that matter?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:10 pmUnless any of you claim to be the equal of any of the Americans I quoted above, I think I’ll give more weight to thier opinions than the comments made by you lot , all of which are the result of your faulty politically driven minds.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:10 pmComment by erock — February 24, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Seriously, Vince P is such an easy target. An example – a couple of years ago the threat risk of an terrorist bomb at a game of football was meant to be really high. As such, attendancies at games were higher then average. Us Brits have an awful lot of flaws (yes are teeth are sh1te) but we don’t let someone bully us.
Would Vince show and join in with a chant that went “Al Quadi, give us a show because you know your f*ck all”? Course not.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:10 pmAshen decides to have a metadiscussion on how I discuss. How noninteresting.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:11 pmAnything but address the facts.
UKBristolDave : Wow, how brave. Yelling in a big mob of people.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:12 pmComment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
How am I being strawman? You have presented these risks. I’ve said that they are nothing to be worried about if you look things rationally. That isn’t a strawman. If your facts are irrelevant then it’s you that’s all over the place.
To repeat – We aren’t scared. You shouldn’t be either.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:14 pmThere is another one, any time we make logical points, Vince Piss in Pants claims are points are illogical, lame, or irrelevant.
Comment by AshenShard
Naw, Vince, if speaking truthfully, is concerned for the place, and people he works with, in New York. No harm in that.
Yes Vince, your a typical Yankee, okay?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:15 pmVince P,
Better than having 300 million people cowering in fear as you would like.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:15 pmUnless any of you claim to be the equal of any of the Americans
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Good point Vince P, I am inferior and should have kept quiet.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:16 pmvinnie hates jesus. it’s obvious. I beet he loves ted haggart though.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:16 pmVince P
We address the facts, you ignore them. You are just obsessed with Muslims and afraid they are out to kill you. The vast majority aren’t, but you are paranoid, so it doesn’t matter.
Once you start taking into consideration the valid points we make, then we will treat you like an intelligent adult worthy of conversation. Otherwise we are just gonna ridicule stupidity and call you what you are, fascist.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:18 pmUKBristolDave: You can speak, I believe in Free Speech.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:19 pmAshen: What “valid points”.. I’m surprised I didnt get my bible lesson yet from all the Progressive Biblical Scholars .
February 24th, 2007 at 9:21 pmComment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
Yeah, looking at it, I was a bit weak. I should have gone in with cruise missles and advanced shock and awe tactics. Bravery is more pronounced at 50 miles.
Seriously, you’re telling me that going to a match after a suicide bombing was weak? No please, seriously
Of course, the difference is that I didn’t sit at home and be paralysed by terror like yourself.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:21 pmQuadra: Just come out and say it… you hate gay people who dont follow you.
Comment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
I’d respond to your assertion that I ‘hate gay people who don’t follow you’ if I knew how you’d gotten that from anything I posted. Comming from a gay republican, it’s kinda funny you’d accuse someone else of hating gay people. And now that you’ve brought up being followed, it reminds me that I neglected to mention paranoia in the list of emotional defects you suffer from.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:22 pmVince,
you can’t pick and choose which rights among the bill of rights you wish to honor. I believe there’s something about freedom of religion in there too.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:23 pmI know where your coming from Vince, I think.
You Vince, care much for those people, even if you do not know them, that enter your building?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:28 pmIt’s really bizarre how you people defend a religion which holds to just about the opposite of everything you believe in. Is it because I’m saying this stuff, and therefore you hate me more than it? Is it because you just dont know anything about it and are content with platitudes like ‘every religion is the same’. Do you support it? Are you happy it has declared war?
Read those quotes that I posted above very carefully. It describes today’s world very well… re-read the one about the Persians… that describes a lot of European capital cities today. You are living in the time of Islamic conquest and are oh so unconcerned about it. Yet get so wilded up about Sean Hannity some of you express the will to kill him like a rabid dog.
“Suicidal” – Think Progress â„¢
February 24th, 2007 at 9:28 pmComment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
It’s good we both agree on this!
Seriously, don’t be scared. That’s what the terrorists want you to be. Give them the two finger salute and go on.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:28 pmerock: Islam is more than a religion , it’s also a political ideology. When Muslims are small in number and unable to overcome a society, then those aspects of the political nature are dormat. Once the proper threshold is reached, things fall apart. This is the historical pattern and is on-going in Europe now. To a smaller extent here… groups like CAIR are one part of that.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:30 pmVince,
Watching you get crushed this badly is making me sad. I wish you’d make a valid point soon.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:30 pmVince,
Your most recent quote was from the late 1930’s. You must come from the George W. Bush school if intelligence. You know, the same one that used 5 year old intel reports to wage a pointless war.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:33 pmVince, I think your doing a helluva job.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:34 pmMost people don’t know the quiet security we offer.
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.†– Ayatollah Khomeini 1942
February 24th, 2007 at 9:34 pmre #125,
Then just answer the question Vince, according to you Islam is both a relgion and a political ideology. While I don’t technically agree with the latter, I will acquiesce to make this point: How do you intend to stop “muslim integration” as you proposed earlier? It seems that this would be tantamount to stopping catholic immigration or socialist immigration (by your definitions).
February 24th, 2007 at 9:35 pmIslam is more than a religion , it’s also a political ideology. When Muslims are small in number and unable to overcome a society, then those aspects of the political nature are dormat. Once the proper threshold is reached, things fall apart. This is the historical pattern and is on-going in Europe now. To a smaller extent here… groups like CAIR are one part of that.
Comment by Vince P
Vince, we see.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:36 pmChristianity can be a political ideology also … any religion can be. There are Muslims in our country and others who are completely content, and agree with, the separation of Church and State.
The problems in Europe mostly have nothing to do with Islam. The problems are with immigration and how immigrant populations are discriminated against. This of course makes them angry, and once a certain extreme of suffering and frustration has been reached, they riot. Same happens with any minority population, in parts of Europe they just happen to be Muslim because a large portion of the areas European colonized were Muslim (yes, there is a correlation between former colonies and the composition of immigrant populations in Europe).
So, your singling out Muslims as a group of people who are different from any other is irrational. They are human and as such are vulnerable to the same passions and outbreaks of violence as any other group of humans are.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:39 pmre #125,
Vince, according to you Islam is both an ideology and a religion. If one accepts either or both of these to be true. How do you propose to go about stopping “musim immigration” as you suggested earlier. Wouldn’t that be tantamount to stopping catholic immigration or socialist immigration?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:43 pmComment by Vince P — February 24, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Please, how is Islam undermining the UK?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:44 pmVince P,
Are there any other voices in your head besides Valiant Vince?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:51 pmLeave Vince alone, he’s protecting his domain as he knows it to be.
I ask you here, who the greatest, yet cursed, man on this earth is and why he is so.
Is he the rich? Is he well known? Can you ever know him? Can you find him? Is he wise? Is he poor? Is he my friend? Is he a foe? What is he?
February 24th, 2007 at 9:53 pmVince P,
Are there any other voices in your head besides Valiant Vince?
I am not Vince P. Nor am I a sound in his head. Nor do I work in Sears Tower.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:55 pmVince P. is the same kind of person that lived in Germany, during the rise of Hitler. They (he) were told that the Jews were dangerous and the cause of all harm in the “fatherland.” Vince P. has had Muslims identified for him, by his mind-masters, as the “enemy.” Not just radical Muslims of course….but all of them. Said it before and will say it again. Vince P.’s real problem is one thing: he is a coward. This kind of defect of the spirit leads to what happened in Germany. Dictatorship, facism, death camps, war. FEAR is a killer. FDR said “we have nothing to fear but fear itself.” He knew how destructive an emotion fear is. And we’ve seen this at work in our own country, and around the world. Fear of the “other,” fear of the “identified enemy.” Used by any government to control it’s own people. More people die in auto accidents or the flu every year than die due to terrorism. Do we therefore never get into a car, or avoid people so we don’t get exposed to the flu virus? Of course not…we use precautions. But we go on with our lives. People like Vince P. think we need to stop all forward motion in our lives, until we’ve killed or suppressed to the point of death, all those he believes are the enemy. That guy would never have survived the pioneer days in America. Total wimp.
February 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pmVince P. is the same kind of person that lived in Germany, during the rise of Hitler
Then, you know Vince?
How, thru fonts, do you know this?
February 24th, 2007 at 10:04 pmWhat!? They don’t have a bias? He’s as delusional as Cheney.
February 24th, 2007 at 10:17 pmWhat!? They don’t have a bias? He’s as delusional as Cheney.
Comment by Marie
Name one human, yourself included, that has no bias, trained or learned.
February 24th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by Marie
You have great wings Marie, do not deny your words flight with oddly weight.
You shall hear natures call, clicks upon the wall, thoughts unthought and from things inert, do not fear it, for that is your thought, finely filtered, pierced by time, here, naught and forward, allowed to alter mankinds course, for what reasons are yet undefined.
Do not question how or why, accept it, do not obsess on it. Do not try to command it. Do not forsake it. Do not covet it. Do not use it for harm. Do not use it for material gain nor self empowerment.
If you find the path, I think you will, it is to be, and you are smiled upon =)
February 24th, 2007 at 10:52 pmValiant Vince, is it?
Oy.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:03 pmName one human, yourself included, that has no bias, trained or learned.
Comment by Valiant Vince — February 24, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Thank you. Well said.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pmI am biased toward the unbiased. :)
February 24th, 2007 at 11:19 pmReplace “Jews†with “blacks†and you’ve just called out the far right of the Republican party.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush #90
…a minor correction impeach…
…simply add “and”…
as in: “Jews” and “Blacks”…
…right now the right wing fake christians are on this doomsday kick…
…so they want to “save” Israel” and the Jews so that Jesus can come back…
…and God can destroy them…
…so the right wing conned’self-servative DUHmericans and their right wing zionist counterparts…
…have formed a “temporary” alliance of mutual convenience…
…the Jews get DUHmericans to keep the Muslim hordes off of their backs…
…til the return that is…
February 24th, 2007 at 11:33 pmZooey, let me ask you this.
Does Hannity have the right to ask troops that support staying in Iraq to e-mail him so he can present the numbers as a counter arguement?
February 24th, 2007 at 11:34 pmShowing the other side. Point and counter point. What a concept.
Comment by hacker bob — February 24, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
And that is exactly what the 60 Minutes report is: Showing the other side.
It seems I need to remind you we’ve been told time and again that speaking against the war “undermines the troops’ morale”, “aids and abets the enemy”, “and plays into the hands of the terrorists”, etc.
In general, criticizing the Bush administration’s policies is met with vitriol, and the Bush sycophants invariably use the troops as little more than rhetorical tool -cowardly so, I might add- to quell dissent.
This is the other side: Are these troops undermining the troops’ morale? Are they aiding and abetting the enemy? Are they also “cowards”, “traitors”, “terrorist sympathisers and appeasers”?
February 24th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThank you. Well said.
Comment by hacker bob — February 24, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
So, do you agree that Hannity’s statement is simply not true?
February 24th, 2007 at 11:39 pmIn general, criticizing the Bush administration’s policies is met with vitriol, and the Bush sycophants invariably use the troops as little more than rhetorical tool -cowardly so, I might add- to quell dissent.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 24, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
I think we all agree that this line of reason is BS. My attitude is go ahead, criticize the ADMINISTRATION, just leave the troops out of it.
So, do you agree that Hannity’s statement is simply not true?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 24, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
I will be the first to say that Fox has a bias to the right on their opinion and commentary shows.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:45 pmDoes Hannity have the right to ask troops that support staying in Iraq to e-mail him so he can present the numbers as a counter arguement?
Comment by hacker bob
He has the right.
Do you honestly think that if he gets a shitload of emails saying we need to get the hell out of Iraq, he would present them? No, he would not.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:45 pmComment by Zooey — February 24, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
But I bet he presents a shitload saying we should stay.
Here it the point. 60 minutes is going to show one side of the arguement, Hannity is going to show the otherside. And honestly, I watched him last night. He did not seem mad or upset at all.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:57 pmHe wants to see how many “troops†support our being there vice the 60 that signed the petition. I am willing to bet he has more than 60.
Comment by hacker bob — February 24, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
I wouldn’t even take the bet -although I am not sure where you got that number; the article in CBS mentions “thousands” without giving any specifics.
At any rate, you know better than I do that active duty troops are walking on a fine line just by speaking out, criticizing, and asking questions like this. It is very brave. It is far easier for those who support the administration to make their opinion known.
Does Hannity have the right to ask troops that support [...]
Comment by hacker bob — February 24, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Of course he has the right. However, he took the opportunity to accuse CBS of “bias” (I assume he meant to say “liberal bias”) when, in fact, FoxNews has covered the same exact story. So, does FoxNews have a “liberal bias”? And why is covering these stories equal to having a bias? Don’t the troops have th right to make their voices heard?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by hacker bob
hack,
I have ONE final question for you…
…in your soul…
…do you believe that Bush attacked Iraq…
…because he REALLY believed Saddam was a military threat to the U.S.?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:05 amAnd honestly, I watched him last night. He did not seem mad or upset at all.
Comment by hacker bob
Hannity’s brain would fly out if he sneezed hard. He is a moron and toxic to this country. He dismisses the concerns of the troops appearing on 60 Minutes, out of hand. Is he looking into what they’re saying — at all?
Basically, I don’t need “fair and balanced.” That’s not a journalists job anyway. If I hear a story and want to know more about it, I’ll check it out myself, and none of my sources will be Fox. Then I’ll make my own decision.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:06 amHannity is going to show the otherside.
Comment by hacker bob — February 24, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
We’ve been hearing the “other side” since the invasion began. That is pretty much all we’ve heard. We know it, we know that anyone who opposes the Bush administration’s policies will be labeled, and called the worst names. We know that all too well already.
CBS’ is actually the counter argument: If anyone who is critical of the Bush administration “undermines the troops’ morale”, do these troops undermine it too?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:08 amComment by big papa — February 25, 2007 @ 12:05 am
I appreciate the tone of your question.
I will give the 100% honest answer it deserves. I DO NOT KNOW. Honestly. It is an internal conflict for me.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:13 amComment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 12:06 am
actually, a journalist is supposed to report the FACTS of the news with no bias one way or the other. But as soon as you put a person into the equasion, there is going to be some bias, even the smallest bias. Remember what I said about reality the other day?
Besides, Hannity is not a journalist, he is a commentator.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:16 amComment by Gregor Samsa — February 25, 2007 @ 12:08 am
the most Ironc part of your post is that you say anybody that opposes the Bush admin is labeled and called all sorts of names. the other side of that coin is that anyone that supports the Bush admin recieves the same treatment.
As a person, I am more likely to listen to the people that have actually been there. Not the ones that have not. Not the ones that go over for 3 days, or a week. But the ones that have been there for months. the ones that have done 2-3 tours. THEY are the ones that know the real story on tthe ground.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:19 amBesides, Hannity is not a journalist, he is a commentator.
Comment by hacker bob
That’s why I want the journalist to do his/her job — reporting the facts — then I’ll check it out myself, because humans are human. Fox people are not human. They are f*cking water carriers, who support the continued meat grinder in Iraq — Iran coming soon! They all have hard-ons for nuclear war, for f*ck’s sake.
Don’t make excuses for for Hannity. He’s one of the worst of the worst and you know it.
I shouldn’t take a Tylenol PM and stay online.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:23 amI will give the 100% honest answer it deserves. I DO NOT KNOW. Honestly. It is an internal conflict for me.
Comment by hacker bob
Why, Robert? Why is that an internal conflict for you AT THIS POINT? Saddam was not a military threat to the US in any way, shape or form. If you didn’t know it when we attacked, why don’t you know it now? You were lied to and used in the most horrifying and disgusting way. Why do I say YOU in particular? I mean YOU as a military person, Robert, because when I was lied to there was no possiblity that I was going to Iraq to get my ass shot off. This administration was willing, no, EAGER to put YOUR life on the line — for no legitimate reason on earth. And they are eager to continue to do so. I see no reason for any internal conflict, Robert. Be honest. If not with us, with yourself.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:30 amComment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 12:23 am
Hannity is as much of a journalist as Franken. Nothing against either of them, but they are both quack radio guys, not journalists.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:32 amthe other side of that coin is that anyone that supports the Bush admin recieves the same treatment.
Comment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Right, Bob -now name a lefty commentator (or “liberal”, or whatever else you want to call it) that has published a book claiming that war supporters are traitors to their country, and calling for .
How many of these left-leaning commentators are on national TV, have syndicated radio shows, or syndicated newspaper columns, and use them as platforms to question the war critics’ patriotism, civic values, love for their country, or accuse them of being in bed with the terrorists?
That is the rhetoric I was talking about, and it definitely takes things to a whole different level. It is not the same thing to be called names in a blog like this one, as being labeled the worst of the worst from radio, TV, newspapers, books by all these talking heads.
THEY are the ones that know the real story on tthe ground.
I am not sure what you meant; do you mean the people who haven’t been there -or have been, but not long enough- should shut up and do as told?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:33 amHannity is as much of a journalist as Franken. Nothing against either of them, but they are both quack radio guys, not journalists.
Comment by hacker bob
I’ve never heard Franken on the radio, since — surprise! — he’s not on the air around here, but I have heard Hannity, and the big difference between Franken and Hannity is that Franken is smart and he cares about people. Hannity is stupid and cares about his paycheck.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:37 amThe first paragraph in my previous post should end “… and calling for a revival of political witch hunts?”
Slow fingers…
February 25th, 2007 at 12:39 amI am not sure what you meant; do you mean the people who haven’t been there -or have been, but not long enough- should shut up and do as told?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — February 25, 2007 @ 12:33 am
If you have never seen snow before, how can you acurately describe it to a blind man. All you would have as reference would be words in a book, but no real understanding. wehn I first saw pictures of southern Thailand, it looked like a shithole to me. Once I went there, I thought it was paradise. The experiance was stronger than the images I had been fed.
My point was that the opinion of people that have been there has a lot more weight with me than those that only have MSM as a reference. No people shoul dnot shut up and do as they are told, but thay also need to realize a certain amount of ignorance as well.
And yes, this standard applies to those that support the war and have not been there as well.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:44 amIt is an internal conflict for me.
Comment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 12:13 am
You know, Bob, whatever the answer you might be formulating in your head -I think Pres Bush will not come out looking too good.
And even if you manage to find an answer that does make him look good; you still have to get over the next hump: The US’ continuing occupation of Iraq, and the fighting of the same people the White House claims to be liberating.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:48 amComment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 12:37 am
Again, that is your reality. But what is that based off of?
What do you base your claims about Franken on? You do not hear him on the radio? What research staff does he have? Who rights his script? Who does his fact checking? I am not saying that Franken is not smart or that he does not care about people, but these things need to be concidered as well. same for Hannity. Fox writes his check, and he dances the dance. Same for Franken.
They are both performers and portray an image. I am a magician. My stage persona is quite different than my real personality.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:50 amI DO NOT KNOW. Honestly. It is an internal conflict for me.
Comment by hacker bob #154
…fair enough…
February 25th, 2007 at 1:23 amReligion is the industry of manufacturing policy from emotion.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:12 amHow long is an army enlistment for? Is it fair to say that anyone in the army now has volunteered after the invasion of 2003?
I think fight the war is precisely what the troops signed up to do.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:13 amFacts and Dear Ol’ Sean are mutually exclusive
February 25th, 2007 at 4:07 amThe issue for Fox and Hannity on the table is not the environment or flying jets,it is simply Al Gore himself ; he is the issue.
Hannity and Fox could care less about the Global Warming,Instead, ‘Target :Al Gore….’
Hannity type of journalism never meant to inform,but rather to smear. The attack on Al Gore is a pre empt ,should Al decided to run for 2008 elections. He will be unstoppable among the big list of contenders.
Fox and Hannity feel that the Global Warming is helping Al, because he and the subject are getting more airtime and recognition during the Oscar nomination television coverage seen by millions.
Hannity is simply trying to smear Al.
Hannity claim that he is fair and unbiased is just simply a joke…
February 25th, 2007 at 6:24 amSunday, February 25, 2007
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Virginia Legislators Vote to Apologize for Slavery (1:46 am)
Larry O’Dell for AP reports:
RICHMOND, Va. — Meeting on the grounds of the former Confederate Capitol, the Virginia General Assembly voted unanimously Saturday to express “profound regret†for the state’s role in slavery.
Sponsors of the resolution say they know of no other state that has apologized for slavery, although Missouri lawmakers are considering such a measure. The resolution does not carry the weight of law but sends an important symbolic message, supporters said.
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How the U.S. military would remove Bush-Cheney
There’s a term for when the military replaces its Commander-In-Chief – coup d’etat — but there are lesser practical steps that have been taken by Pentagon brass several times in modern American history to deal with Presidents viewed as incompetent to carry out their duties as CIC. Here’s how it works in practice.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff have developed a range of options to deal with domestic political crises. These contingencies include major military or terrorist attacks, natural catastrophies, insurrections, civil disturbances, and the partial or complete cessation of civilian goverment. By far, the most difficult for the national command staff is confronting and managing the threat posed by a manifestly imcompetent or incapacitated CIC who issues launch orders without proper procedures. Under no circumstances short of actual hostilities or a confirmed threat of attack, could the military carry out launch orders committing the military to war on the sole authority of the President. George W. Bush can not just pick up the phone in the middle of the night and begin a nuclear strike. That order has to be countersigned by others within the chain of command.
The Pentagon carries out strategic planning for all possible contingencies. The staff of Joint Chiefs and the combat commands attempt to prepare reponses to all possible threats or orders they may receive. Somewhere in a locked file in the D-Ring of the Pentagon, the JCS staff have developed contingency planning for how top military commanders would respond to manifestly illegal or irresponsible orders issed by a deranged President. These responses would always involve consultation with civilian agency and Congressional leaders and range up to and include plans for the use of troops to forcible remove the President from the White House, depending upon the circumstances.
Political Containment
One doesn’t contemplate the involuntary removal of elected civilian leadership lightly. Civilian control over the military is the cornerstone of the American constitutional system, and all actions must serve that end. Therefore, the military brass will not act independently and will seek out responsible elected and appointed officials for any action prior to removal of a President. Prior to any direct intervention in the political process, Pentagon commanders would have to be convinced that all normal procedural and political options, including Impeachment or succession under the 25th Amendment, had been exhausted or were futile.
An active plan of containment by civilian political institutions is the preferred means to deal with a dangerously unstable CIC. If normal political checks and balances break down, however, then top military commanders face a series of more difficult choices that must be made in order to uphold their oaths to protect and preserve the U.S. Constitution.
Removal in Place
Romoval in Place is an option to forcible removal of the incumbent from office, or may be employed as an intervening step pending the resignation or involuntary removal of the President.
Removal in place has been seen in “figurehead” presidents in the past, employed due to illness or temporary physical or mental impairment during the terms of Presidents Wilson, Nixon, and Reagan. Historically, this option has been carried out more or less informally by measures such as confinement to hospital of the President, the removal of the CIC’s access to the nuclear “football” containing launch codes, and the heavy medication and close supervision of the President by aides.
The removal in place option requires the cooperation of key figures within the White House inner-circle along with civilian agencies to effectively keep the President from exercising undesirable command decisions of consequence. The effective maintenance of this option ultimately depends upon at least the passive acquiesance of the CIC and his immediate staff and family.
This option has the advantage of maintaining the public appearance of normalcy, avoiding open conflict between civilian and military authorities, and the attendant political and economic crises that open, formal, involuntary removal would entail.
Involuntary Removal
When it becomes apparent that an incompetent or psychologically impaired President can not be countered by normal political means or contained in place, military and civilian leaders must cooperate to insure that the CIC is disconnected from the mechanisms by which he might be able to issue launch orders to the national command system.
This option is a matter of last resort exercised only when by the consensus of the Joint Chiefs, after consultation with civilian heads of agencies and Congressional leaders, that the incumbent President presents extreme danger to the national security that can not be contained by alternatives, including those outlined above. The proper procedure would then be for alternate civilian leadership within the Line of Succession to invoke the 25th Amendment declaring the incumbent President incapable of carrying out his duties. If the Vice President is also judged incapable of carrying out succession duties in a responsible manner, he too is also subject to immediate removal under the 25th Amendment.
Involuntary removal may only be considered as a last resort in the face of grave, imminent threat to national security, such as to prevent the exercise of unlawful orders committing U.S. forces to hostilities. An example of unlawful launch orders would be issuance of a preemptive nuclear strike orders against a foreign state or power that poses no realistic, imminent, and grave threat to American forces or interests. Of particular concern would a launch order issued without Congressional consultation or approval initiating a conflict that foreseeably holds a high potential for large-scale U.S. military casualties or retaliatory attacks on civilian targets within the United States that can not be effectively defended against.
Given the escalating tensions in the region, and the vital U.S. interests at stake in South Asia, the top military commanders have forcefuly articulated their positon on various options. They have opposed implementation of plans for a preemptive attack on Iran. If the President were to issue a launch order for a preemptive attack on Iran without first obtaining a Congressional resolution of war, that action — in effect, an illegal order — would require the national command authority and civilian leadership to implement plans to contravene such an order, sever the CIC’s command authority, pending the removal the President and Vice President under the 25th Amendment.
Do not be deceived by the rhetoric and sabre-rattling. The United States will not go to war with Iran just because George W. Bush or Dick Cheney order it.
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171- rachel > [....Do not be deceived by the rhetoric and sabre-rattling. The United States will not go to war with Iran just because George W. Bush or Dick Cheney order it. ]
Surprise that you mentioned..or Dick Ceney !!. Didn’t Bush say ..that he is the ‘decider”……Was that rhetoric and sabre -rattling ?!!!
February 25th, 2007 at 8:16 amMy email to FOX
To Whom It may Concern:
My name is Vincent, I am currently serving on active duty with the United States Air Force. I have been stationed overseas for two years now and I have an exceptional military record of conduct. I would like to express to you my opinion about news coverage regarding the war in Iraq. I do not feel personally hurt when the media tells me that we are losing the war, after all it is the duty of the media to inform the populace about current events. Militarily speaking, this is not a war that the United States can lose, we are too well trained and to well motivated to be defeated by our enemies in Iraq. That does not mean we can’t still lose the war. I believe it is clear to the intelligent volunteers that i serve with every day, that open debate about the United States’ role in Iraq is part of our Democratic process. This debate by CBS and other news agencies is not to the detriment of the troops. Please do not be so callous as to assume that by telling the troops that they are “winning” you will help their moral and keep them moving along during a long and often extended deployment. If you truly want to “support the troops” write Congress and tell them to support the Veterans Administration and to allocate more funding for disabled soldiers. Recently a budget was proposed that would cut back on Veteran’s services and entitlements. It is acts such as that, that hurts the moral of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines. Please, if your network wants to support me and my fellow service members, spend more time covering the lack of funding for the VA and spend less time attacking other networks.
Thank you for your time,
V/R
Vincent Hnat
February 25th, 2007 at 8:31 amUSAF
Handittome is another scum-sucking, CHICKENHAWK, un-educated tool of the NeoCon war machine and apologist for the cheney administration. That this loser still has an audience speaks voloumes re: the sheer idiocy of the ‘Merkin “news” consumer.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:00 amDavid is another anti-Constitutionalist who denies others the right of speech, and would demand the military not be under the control of civilians.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:02 amI really don’t get this “Muslims are taking over Europe” thing. It must be a more popular thing to say in the US, but over here it seems kind of a weird thing to be afraid of. They’re not afraid of being overthrown by Muslims for the same reason they’re not afraid of being overthrown by robots- it doesn’t seem likely to happen. Come on over to Europe, everybody, and see for yourself.
Yes, there are Muslims in Europe, and there have been Muslims in Europe- large amounts of them- since the 8th century. Often they came as conquerors of European lands and forced their religion on the population, the same way that other European countries took over other European lands and imposed their preferred religion.
Yes, among the Muslims in Europe there are extremists. Among the Christians in Europe, there are extremists, and those people actually have a chance of getting into power. Fanatical Muslim Europeans kill people every year. Fanatical Non-Muslim Europeans kill many, many, many more Europeans. (Europe IS concerned about far right parties, the ones who are trying to whip up fear over Muslims) As a rule, Europeans aren’t scared, because the majority of Muslims in Europe haven’t given them any reason to be more scared of them than of other Europeans.
Will Europe turn Muslim? It could happen. That’s what happens over time. 2000 years ago, there were no Christians in Europe. 600 years ago there were no Protestant churches in Europe. 500 years ago there were almost no Christians in the Western Hemisphere, but now that whole, gigantic swathe of land is majority Christianity. Maybe Europe will be taken over by Evangelical Christians- they’re way more active in trying to convince people that they’re right. So far, the the majority of European Muslims are behaving themselves and haven’t given the majority of non-Muslims Europeans a reason not to trust them.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:07 amIraq Veterans Against the War; Vietnam Veterans Against the War support you.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:15 amWhere in Europe do you live?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI live in the Czech Republic.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:11 amCzech has a very low population of Muslims, so I can understand why your ancedotal evidence is what it is.. Last year I watched a show from Czech R. where they went undercover to one of the few mosques inthe country and discovered they preach the same jihad/anti-western hate as they are in the UK
February 26th, 2007 at 9:14 amThis is that video..
I, a Muslim
Ceska Televize , Televizni studio ostrava
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7489128737211826486
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