National Journal’s Hotline reports that a recent fundraising letter issued by Scooter Libby’s Legal Defense Trust includes the following quote from former Cheney aide Mary Matalin:
This loyal soldier in the War on Terror doesn’t have to go at it alone.
Scooter Libby knowingly exposed the cover of a CIA operative. He did it to exact political revenge on Joseph Wilson, who had revealed that intelligence was “twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.” The damage from the leak was serious enough to warrant a CIA investigation. Arthur Brown, a CIA division chief who retired in 1995, described Libby’s action as the “moral equivalent to exposing forward deployed military units.”
Libby is no “soldier,” let alone a “loyal soldier.” A different label for him was offered by President George H. W. Bush: “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”
Nico,
February 24th, 2007 at 10:38 amWhy don’t you post some stories about Richard Armitage’s role in all this. I’d like to know more about his involvement.
One of the few times I agree with Bush.
Libby committed treason by outing Mrs Plame
Now let’s go after the rest of these treasonous war criminals in the Bush Administration!
February 24th, 2007 at 10:38 amLibby committed treason by outing Mrs Plame
Now let’s go after the rest of these treasonous war criminals in the Bush Administration!
Comment by Deniz Yeter
Libby was ordered to by Cheney. Cheney told Libby Bush said it was ok… I really wonder if Cheney ever really asked Bush.
February 24th, 2007 at 10:54 amlet’s not forget who she’s married to, and who she’s married to works for… it’s just a bit too cozy for me…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
February 24th, 2007 at 10:55 amCheney outed Plame, number 1,387 reason he is unfit for office. Libby is a slag. The quote by Matalin represents a glimpse into the Straussian agenda of the perpetual war required for the neocons to oppress their sheeple.
We are not dining on such poison.
February 24th, 2007 at 10:59 amOT> Sorry…..New charges have been filed against Watada by the military…I thought there was laws against double jeopardy. Any one know the law’s on this.? Damn…..Oh hell this entire administration changes and ignores the constitution and all law’s….Untill we can get these basterd’s out of office any thing (bad) can happen..Blessings
February 24th, 2007 at 11:01 amLets keep it simple folks and not be distracted by Brittney fodder. Cheney ordered the CIA to ingvestigate the ‘claim’ of enriched uranium in Africa. That report came back neative after it was offered to Bush as validation and justification for war.
Cheney scrambled to cover his ass when Wilson made the falsehood public. Besides Mathews no one in the MSM is asking for proof that Cheney got the report back and what he did with it.
Cheney and Bush lied before Congress, a felony, and an impeachable offense.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:04 amNew charges have been filed against Watada by the military…I thought there was laws against double jeopardy. Any one know the law’s on this.? Damn…..Oh hell this entire administration changes and ignores the constitution and all law’s….Untill we can get these basterd’s out of office any thing (bad) can happen..Blessings
Comment by Sharon
Good morning Sharon,
Watada’s trial ended in a mistrial, which means the Judge stopped the case in the middle for whatever reason. There was no acquittal or conviction, hence, no double jeopardy. It’s a do over — from the beginning.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:14 amWar on Terror Vs. War on Terra.I suppose he means the latter.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:15 amA “loyal soldier,” as in “I was just following orders.”
February 24th, 2007 at 11:16 amWhich he was.
Defense Trust Hails Libby As ‘Loyal Soldier In The War On Terror’
Just gotta love that media lawyeryized rhetoric.
A forgetful non-soldier in the war of political ideology, experimentation and nation buidling.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:19 amThank’s for the info Zooey, all I can say is damn….Off to the rock and gem show in Everett this morning…..Then home to take a nap…LOL…If I get lucky will have lot’s more rock’s to throw at the reich….Blessings all
February 24th, 2007 at 11:20 amGet some pretty rocks to throw, Sharon!
February 24th, 2007 at 11:23 amConcerning Watada, Bush, and the military have an invested interest in making sure he is tried, and convicted. If he was to found not guilty, or acquitted. If he is able to make a convincing argument, the war is illegal, it would provide a legal basis for every military person to not go to Iraq.
Opinion on Libby, please the right wing needs to keep their boy on the payroll, so he doesn’t spill the beans. Remember what a heck of a guy Ollie North was for breaking US law, and selling arms to Iran.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:24 amFunny, he forgot to enlist to serve as a “loyal soldier” in Vietnam, back when he was of age. Enlistment must be one of those things he tends to forget — not one of the things he remembers very clearly, such as most definitely not talking about Joe Wilson’s wife’s CIA connection. That he certainly did not leak to any reporter…
February 24th, 2007 at 11:27 amThink Progress forgets that violating the trust of the United States is no vice when defending and upholding the Right Wing and the GOP are concerned.
Party and Power are all that matter to today’s Right Wing. The good of the country and the American People are a distant second.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:28 amA little greasy bearing forever revolving and spinning, loaded then unloaded, heated then cooled, slathered by greasy invisible hands, a network of balls, coming into contact in this dark world we exist within.
Libby, folks, was but one greasy ball of many greasy balls, an integral part of a much larger machine. A job that does not require great memory, but performance. Go Now! Stop Now! Slip there! Slide here! Spin! Revolve! Rest! Spin!
Balls have a hard job folks, they don’t need great memories. Does a thorobred horse need a great memory to run in circles? Does a great driver need a great memory to turn in one direction? No, they need balls. Lots of balls. Balls have no mind of their own, ask any man, or woman, seated on this fine loyal American Jury.
If I was a lawyer thats what I would say =)
February 24th, 2007 at 11:33 amYeah but Bush Senior probably means Democrats and not GOP creeps like Libby who betray sources to get revenge for his worthless son Junior.
February 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amWhich would that be? Joe or Valerie?
February 24th, 2007 at 11:57 amThe CIA Leak/PlameGate Resource Center features all the latest Libby trial news, legal documents, timelines and other essential materials surrounding the Bush administration’s outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame and its politics of payback against Joseph Wilson.
For more, see:
February 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmThe CIA Leak/PlameGate Resource Center.
how can someone, during a supposed ‘time of war,’ refer to that man [who’s on trial, no less] as a soldier. they’re sending 20,000 real soldiers to iraq in the next few months. maybe if ’scooter’ gets acquitted, he can go along.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pmNo question Libby is guilty as Wells only defense was to cry and bag to jurors to let this guilty man go free to commit more crimes. I wonder if Daddy Bush gave to the Libby fund as Libby was protecting not only the Dickster but baby Bush too. This scandal is so much bigger then just leaking a CIAs name. It’s goes to the heart of the bigger crime invasion, killing, torture and stealing. The Bush/Cheney players are world wide. Notice how a criminal like Chalabi did his part to get the US in this fake war, Bush backed stabbed him and he ran to Iran. Now Chalabi is back and most likely wants what he set out to get the first time Saddam’s job. Now that the pipe lines aren’t finished yet Bush/Cheney have to keep this going until it’s complete. No one gives a damn about our troops. If anyone wanted to know what Support our Troops means to the White House and the GOP. Take a look at the Taco Bell in New York with the rats/mices running free as they do in the housing of our injured troops. Oh yes the roaches party too. But only the low level people are blamed and all the White House/Military leaders knew what was happening for 5 years. Like true lies they said it’s only been happen for two weeks, never mind the reports from day one. Like Bush said he lives in the White House and really doesn’t care what’s happen to the rest of America or the troops.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmLoyal soldiers are only carrying out orders.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:18 pmSo in this sense, Libby is a loyal soldier carrying out Bush and Cheney’s order to out CIA NOC Valerie Wilson in order to smear war intel critic Joe Wilson.
http://newsmine.org/
News and Document archive source for uncovering and exposing
February 24th, 2007 at 12:30 pmwith over 10,000 articles and documents
This loyal soldier in the War on Terror
On whose side?
February 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmThird Try at posting this
For anyone trying to spin the usual neocon talking points about this case, and make it seem like no big deal in outing a CIA operative, answer these questions, in a way that’s logical and positive for Libby and this Administration, then we’ll talk
Valerie Plame’s job was to track and disrupt the transfer of WsMD to rogue regimes, groups and individuals, with Iran the focus of her attempts at the time of her outing
In the course of her efforts, she used a CIA front operation called Brewster Jennings, which meant that she had various dealings with undercover operatives, and double agents in other govts, around the world
So…..
How did outing Plame make this country safer as a result?
How did outing Plame make it easier to recruit the best and the brightest to help keep WsMD out of the hands of rogue regimes, groups and individuals?
When Plame was outed, it was inevitable that her CIA front of Brewster Jennings would be disclosed as well, thereby exposing all those undercover operatives and double agents in other Govts
How did outing Plame, and then Brewster Jennings make it easier to recruit the foreign operatives and double agents needed to keep WsMD out of the hands of rogue regimes, groups and individuals?
How did the Administration’s DELIBERATE outing of Plame increase the trust level between the White House and the CIA’s intelligence analysts?
Good luck answering those questions in a way that’s logical and positive for Libby and the Bush Jr Administration, as it’s just not possible
February 24th, 2007 at 12:44 pmCheney scrambled to cover his ass when Wilson made the falsehood public.
Not quite accurate, or at least misleading, I think. What came out as evidence in the trial shows that Cheney was acting PRIOR to publication of Wilson’s op-ed, to discredit Wilson. As I understand it, Nicholas Kristof’s earlier piece, though not naming Wilson, gave enough clues that it was Wilson out there telling the truth (privately, not publicly), and Cheney’s gang was putting together their smear plan even before Wilson went openly public.
I think this point is important because it shows how involved Cheney was earlier, and that Cheney was lying when he pretended not to know who Wilson was. It also explains the timeline to get Libby and others out there leaking to reporters.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIts Cheney not Libby. Libby is just a tool.
February 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThey’re just trying to gather some compensation for making sure Scooter doesn’t spill the beans on his Uncle Dick.
George H. W. Bush spawned the sleezeball that has been killing thousands for the last four years. And he likes it.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:12 pmGive him a daisy bb pistol and kick his ass outa the green zone.
Loyal soldier in the War on Terror.
Lying to the grand jury makes one a “loyal soldier” in the mafia, in criminal gangs, and now in the GWOT. The GWOT excuses all criminal behavior, whether perjury or torture, kidnapping or murder. Once again a GOP president is using the claim of “national security” to turn the White House into a den of crooks.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:15 pmNice spin, just a few mistakes. First, Richard Armitage outed Valerie Plame. Or check here. Or here. Or here. Or here.
And Scooter Libby is on trial for lieing to the investigative authorities (I believe the CIA).
A different label for him was offered by President George H. W. Bush: “I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.â€
This spin makes it sound like Bush ‘41 was talking about Scooter Libby. He wasn’t. He was talking in general about traitors, and the CIA’s role in exposing them.
Other than that, a very accurate story /sarcasm
February 24th, 2007 at 1:16 pm“loyal soldier”? This sounds like a mafia description, but, after all, this is a gang of criminals.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:18 pmSorry, the next to last link for Armitage’s role should be this.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:18 pmDangit, I’ll get it right this time.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:30 pm… crickets chirping …
February 24th, 2007 at 1:41 pmIf outing an expert on WMDs in the face of having waged a war on a country that did not posses them in the first place is not an act of treason, I don’t know what is.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:43 pm“Oliver North is a great warrior whose crimes are forgiven by his goals of bettering the world for freedom lovers of every nation.”
February 24th, 2007 at 1:48 pm~Abraham J. Lincoln
Libby, Rove, Ari Fleisher — they were all furiously leaking Valerie Plame Wilson’s CIA connection. The only reason Armitage knew it to gossip about it with Woodward and Novak was because he’d seen the memo that the State Department had prepared laying out the details of Joe Wilson’s trip in order to respond to an urgent demand by Scooter Libby for all the information they could provide. (Just like the demands that Libby was also making of the CIA at that time). Libby and Cheney were hot to “get” Joe Wilson because he was telling everyone the awful truth: the WMD rationale for the invasion of Iraq was bogus, utter b.s. manufactured to feed Cheney’s war fever.
February 24th, 2007 at 1:58 pmDale,
Numerious serious crimes were committed. Read Fitzgerald’s indictment. It is compelling.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pmPlame used her job at CIA to get Wilson a contract, which is illegal. She was leaked by Aimes and the concern was she was using Wilson like Aimes and Howard were used by their CIA trainer. Aimes pattern and the five year law were two things Plame followed to the last detail.
JOM should be back up now…………………..
February 24th, 2007 at 2:19 pm#38, verbalkint, yes, serious crimes were committed; but leaking Plames’ name by Libby wasn’t one of them. This TP article is serious spin and the facts bear that statement out.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:21 pmNico, Nico, Nico.
Of all the evidence that has been revealed through this trial, there is not one single bit that substantiates this Wilson-written narrative.
Patrick Fitzgerald has stated that he has no evidence that anyone knew of Plame’s actual role at the CIA, or whether that role was simply classified or covert. There is ZERO evidence that this was done to exact political revenge on Wilson. There is a PREPONDERANCE of evidence showing that Wilson lied to the media and that the OVP sought to correct that misinformation, which can be clearly summarized by the talking points released during trial, written up for Cathie Martin. Absent from that list? Plame.
Not to mention that it was Richard Armitage who dropped it to anyone who would listen, not because he knew she had some kind of protected status at the CIA and wanted to get back at Wilson by outing her, but because he (like Wilson’s friend Marc Grossman), thought there was a stench of inappropriateness in Plame being involved in her husband being sent on behalf of the CIA on a mission that only the CIA seemed to see any value in carrying out.
But hey, Nico, keep on gulping up the fabulist tale sold to you by Jason Leopold and Company. Maybe some day you’ll realize the truth.
Joe Wilson, June 14, 2003:
Ballgame.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:23 pm[…] Watch Video […]
February 24th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWith regard to “INSIDIOUS TRAITORS,” don’t forget your sonny-boy CHIMPya W. Bush, Poppy Bush! Or for that matter, Karl Miss Piggy Rove, Torticola Dick-LESS B. Cheney, Condom-LESSER Rice, Tony Colostomy-Bag-Man Snow-JOB, Alberto VO5 Gonzales, Stephen CADley, David Poison-Adderington, Don DUMBsfailed, Paul WolFARTwhizz, Richard (Pustulent)Boil, John Yoo-hoo, other creeps of Bushland Uber Allies, and OH YES, your own Bush Crime Family of which YOU, Poppy H.W., are the CURRENT DON! YOU SHOULD ALL STRIP NAKED AND YOU CAN LEAD THEM ALL TO The Hague, WHERE YOU WILL BE GIVEN A “Fair Trial” by a MILITARY TRIBUNAL–no defense witnesses or evidence NOT APPROVED by the KANGAROO COURT will be ALLOWED–NOW ALL OF YOU Bushes CAN EXPERIENCE FIRSTHAND WHAT Lt. Ehren Watada is GOING THROUGH, nicht wahr?
February 24th, 2007 at 2:27 pmNot to mention pulling out and dusting off old links without checking them first. The link for the Bush ‘41 quote was from the http server at CIA, not the https server. CIA’s http server hasn’t been active for a while.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:30 pmDale the fact that Armitage also spoke to Novak doesn’t change a SINGLE lie that the Libby told…
It doesn’t remove Shooter’s notes nor directions.
IT certainly doesn’t change the FACT that they purposely tried to SILENCE a former ambassador for speaking out by going after his wife.
So give it up. Its pathetic.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:31 pmowlbear1,
1. A jury is still deciding whether or not Libby lied. Do you appreciate the legal precedent of innocent until proven guilty or not?
2. None of Libby’s notes show any directions to out Plame.
3. They tried to silence Wilson? Well gosh, that certainly backfired now didn’t it? Why, he ended up with a book, on the cover of several magazines (one with his wife) and became a media star overnight. Why, it’s almost as if it only got worse for the Bush administration that Plame’s occupation was leaked. Oh, here’s another ironic twist: the guy who actually outed Plame was never charged with anything, even when he failed to disclose a conversation he had with Bob Woodward for over a year. Ooops.
But yeah, besides everything you said being ass-backwards, you’re 100% right! ;)
February 24th, 2007 at 2:38 pmCheney claimed he did not know who Joe Wilson was, just as he claimed he had never met John Edwards. Who he had his picture taken with no less than four times on the Senate floor shaking hands.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:44 pmDick Cheney=big, fat, pustulent, _________ (fill in the blank)
A true warrior always “hoof it” alone into battle. But not Libby. Libby is yellow-belly coward. In other words, a conservative. All conservatives either mob on you or run off, sniveling like the wimpering mutts they are.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:52 pmBelieve in “Innocent until proven guilty”? I did until Bush Administration made it an anachronism so spare me your false indignation.
Of course they didn’t, not a one of them said “Go get Wilson’s Wife.”
That makes it all alright then?
I guess that means they are failures at judging Wilson as well as how to run a democracy?
But its moot, ain’t Seixon? Scooter’s on trial and the world is just CHOCKED full of injustice. Poor you having to suffer so much injustice at the hands of EVIL LIBERALS.
and STILL there is that pesky FACT that Cheney attacked a critic because he exposed the LIES concerning the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq and the Bush Administration’s knowledge of Saddam’s capabilities. FACT.
February 24th, 2007 at 2:54 pmLet’s not forget. Libby is a member of PNAC.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:02 pmIts really hard to argue (rationally) that Dick and George “BELIEVED with all there hearts” that “Saddam was about to give WMDs to Al Qaeda and therefore we HAD to invade immediately!” when there are court records showing them possessing CIA documents detailing Saddam’s LACK of capability.
Pesky pesky pesky
February 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pmActually, owlbear1, we’re a representational republic, not a democracy.
and STILL there is that pesky FACT that TP (and most of the comments here) are attacking Scooter Libby for leaking Plames name when it was SOMEONE ELSE. FACT.
can you admit that FACT owlbear1?
February 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pmhaha, got ya Sparky. I’ll remember that. America is NOT a Democracy so whatever lies Republicans Representatives want to tell that makes it OK.
Scooter was one of many. Why is that SO hard for you to understand? Scooter was the one shopping around trying to get a reporter to bite. That article you posted doesn’t make mention of Armitage calling up a half dozen reporters. Or changing his story 3 times.
And Armitage wasn’t involved in any of the meetings.
He wasn’t making claims about Mushroom clouds over American cities.
He wasn’t accusing critics of being ‘terrorist sympathizers’.
He wasn’t abusing his power to frighten CIA analyst.
He wasn’t trying SELL a war based on NEOCON FANTASIES of WORLD DOMINATION!
Can you admit FACT Dale?
February 24th, 2007 at 3:23 pmStale Dale,
Are you a member of PNAC?
Scooter Libby is.
Just wondering.
You sound just like a PNAC’er.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:31 pmCheney: All options open for Iran
Brilliant shall we start with talk then ?????? Duh
February 24th, 2007 at 3:41 pmTHE NATION spikes the most important story of our time:
The story of how this line of investigation was suppressed, both in the law enforcement community and in the media, is a saga in itself. I know that Ketcham worked on this story long and hard, and had supposedly firm commitments from both Salon.com and The Nation to publish his work. Both projects were killed at the last minute, in one case an hour before it was scheduled to run. What’s particularly stupid, in the case of Salon, is that they ran his previous piece, on the “Israeli Art Student Mystery,†years ago- and now refuse to follow up their own story.
As for why the government investigation into the Israeli connection was scotched, Ketcham cites a former CIA counter-terrorism officer: “There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House.”
I have to tell you that it hasn’t been easy following this story over the years. I was told in the beginning, and in no uncertain terms, that this line of investigation is forbidden, that it’s “too hot to handle,†and, implicitly, that the truth and the facts have to take second place to political correctness. To even mention this story, in certain quarters, is considered prima facie evidence of anti-Semitism. Case closed.
In spite of a determined effort on the part of some to redifine anti-Semitism to constrain critics of Israel government actions, there is an equally determined pushback- a real movement to treat Israel as a nation like any other. That is, a nation with its own interests, which, if truth be told, it pursues aggressively, and not only in the occupied territories and Lebanon, but also right here in the U.S. The story of Israel’s underground army in America- and its foreknowledge of the 9/11 terrorist attacks- is based on facts, not fantasies, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism—and everything to do with establishing the full context of the worst terrorist attack in our history.
9/11 was the opening shot of a battle we are still fighting to this day, as our soldiers fall in Iraq, and the hints of a new front in our endless “war on terrorism†– Iran- are hardly subtle. That signal event launched the war hysteria that only lately has begun to peter out.
One of the major reasons why the public has turned against the Iraq war has been the revelation that the “intelligence” we acquired about Iraq’s alleged “weapons of mass destruction” was manipulated, cherry-picked, and outright falsified in order to make the case for the invasion. If it turns out that the Israelis really did know – that they picked up “chatter” from the groups they were watching, and gained fairly detailed knowledge of the hijackers’ plans – it will alter how we think about 9/11, and change our perception of the perpetual war that ensued.
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2638.htm#001
How dare they?
February 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pm#51, that’s it Rachel, ignore the facts I presented and resort to labels.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSeixon,
You’re an idiot. Always have been, always will be. By the way, what happened with those election predictions you were making last year?
February 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmDale,
Just what have you written that addresses in any way the fact that numerous serious crimes were committed by Libby?
Right. Nothing. Just what I thought.
February 24th, 2007 at 3:56 pmhmmm, who should i believe? a u.s. attorney general? or someone with an obvious bias posting comments? sorry, dale.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:05 pmand sorry, but scooter is not a soldier. if he were, he’d be in iraq.
Bush and EVERYONE affiliated with (supporting) him…
…is going to hell…
February 24th, 2007 at 4:12 pmDale…
…is going to hell…
February 24th, 2007 at 4:13 pmPapa Bush and Barbara…
…are going to hell…
…like…
…Seixon, Dale and their inbred kind…
February 24th, 2007 at 4:23 pm#8 you are 100% INCORRECT. Jeopardy attaches at the ONSET of criminal proceedings against the defendant, despite the outcome.
New charges may be levied that are neither duplicate charges, nor lesser included offenses previously charged.
If the core conduct that supports the new charges is identical to the core conduct that gave rise to the initial charges, those new charges WOULD BE BARRED by double jeopardy.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:31 pmowlbear1,
and STILL there is that pesky FACT that Cheney attacked a critic because he exposed the LIES concerning the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq and the Bush Administration’s knowledge of Saddam’s capabilities. FACT.
What did Wilson reveal? He falsely claimed that Cheney knew about his mission and ignored it anonymously through Nicholas Kristof and other journalists, then in his op-ed he maintained in insinuating that Cheney’s office must have known about his mission - even though the CIA did not tell Cheney’s office about it, a fact Wilson would easily have known had he checked with, drumroll please, his CIA wife.
Wilson made several claims, none of which were true. Get with the program, dupe.
VerbalKint,
You’re an idiot. Always have been, always will be. By the way, what happened with those election predictions you were making last year?
Oh, well, that’s a good rebuttal, “You’re an idiot.” Yeah, I guess that direct quote from Wilson kind of made you mad because you couldn’t call Wilson a liar for lying about having lied. Ouch.
What election predictions? I don’t remember making any predictions.
For the sheer fun of it, let’s roll back the tape on Glorious Joe one more time:
Joe Wilson, June 14, 2003:
…that American ambassador who has been cited in reports in the New York Times and in the Washington Post, and now in the Guardian over in London, who actually went over to Niger on behalf of the government–not of the CIA but of the government…
Wilson lied. Game. Set. Match.
February 24th, 2007 at 4:43 pmCheney was acting PRIOR to publication of Wilson’s op-ed, to discredit Wilson. As I understand it- tubino.
You do not understand it. Correct your timeline and refer to #7
February 24th, 2007 at 4:46 pmHey big papa, do you crave attention that badly that you always have to post in bold? What’s the matter, your mommy wouldn’t give you anything but a bottle?
February 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pmLibby –>Cheney –> Bush
February 24th, 2007 at 4:49 pmImpeach, imprison, punish
Let me point out this:
This was part of the article above, yet I posted links that show it isn’t true. What is so hard to understand about that?
February 24th, 2007 at 4:49 pmAbout the tenth time I’ve tried to post this
Valerie Plame’s job was to track and disrupt the transfer of WsMD to rogue regimes, groups and individuals, with Iran the focus of her attempts at the time of her outing
In the course of her efforts, she used a CIA front operation called Brewster Jennings, which meant that she had various dealings with undercover operatives, and double agents in other govts, around the world
So…..
How did outing Plame make this country safer as a result?
How did outing Plame make it easier to recruit the best and the brightest to help keep WsMD out of the hands of rogue regimes, groups and individuals?
When Plame was outed, it was inevitable that her CIA front of Brewster Jennings would be disclosed as well, thereby exposing all those undercover operatives and double agents in other Govts
How did outing Plame, and then Brewster Jennings make it easier to recruit the foreign operatives and double agents needed to keep WsMD out of the hands of rogue regimes, groups and individuals?
How did the Administration’s DELIBERATE outing of Plame increase the trust level between the White House and the CIA’s intelligence analysts?
February 24th, 2007 at 4:55 pmwho actually went over to Niger on behalf of the government–not of the CIA but of the government…
Wilson lied. Game. Set. Match.
Comment by Seixon — February 24, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
The CIA isn’t part of the government? Wow, and people call you stupid - wonder why?
February 24th, 2007 at 4:59 pmThis was part of the article above, yet I posted links that show it isn’t true. What is so hard to understand about that? Comment by Dale — February 24, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
How you can so easily believe a debunked lie? That’s what’s hard to understand.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:00 pmhe was indeed a soldier — for the other side.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:03 pmComment by Dale #64
Dale,
I am so gratified to know that you DO read my posts…
…I believe that if you continue that wise practice…
…you may yet save your lost soul…
…the racism, misogyny, homophobia, and fascism you practice…
…is your passport to hell…
…change…
…keep reading my posts…
…live- and let live…
…all who recognize evil…and shun it…
February 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pm#8 you are 100% INCORRECT. Jeopardy attaches at the ONSET of criminal proceedings against the defendant, despite the outcome.
New charges may be levied that are neither duplicate charges, nor lesser included offenses previously charged.
If the core conduct that supports the new charges is identical to the core conduct that gave rise to the initial charges, those new charges WOULD BE BARRED by double jeopardy.
Comment by getaclue
Sorry getaclue, but you might want to get a clue, or change your name.
I’ll stand up straight when I say it this time:
Double jeopardy applies only to charges that were the subject of an earlier final judgment, there are many situations in which it does not apply despite the appearance of a retrial. For example, a second trial held after a mistrial does not violate the double jeopardy clause, because a mistrial ends a trial prematurely without a judgment of guilty or not guilty.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pm“Scooter Libby knowingly exposed the cover of a CIA operative.”
ThinkProgress, would you PLEASE stop lowballing this crime?
Scooter Libby knowingly exposed the cover of an entire CIA brassplate operation in maybe 30 cities.
Brewster Jennings is the REAL casualty, and any of the 50 or more spies associated with it, and ANY of the sources or contacts who ever did ‘business’ with Brewster Jennings — sources of HUMINT which is the hardest form of intel to gather.
The level of the damage from the taking down of that entire operation is unknown to date (by the public). The CIA was supposed to do a damage assessment — whether they did or not was never made public (TMK).
PLEASE start focusing on the real story, and stop helping the AP and other Muffled Media lowball the damage to our national security by this CONSPIRACY in the Shitehouse. Thank you.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pm” For example, a second trial held after a mistrial does not violate the double jeopardy clause, because a mistrial ends a trial prematurely without a judgment of guilty or not guilty.”
It’s not that simple and you (probably) know it.
• The military has already agreed to drop two of the charges. Can they recharge on charges that they have already essentially dismissed?
• The judge tainted the case. Declaring a mistrial on the basis of a faulty pretrial agreement that he approved and then later disapproved has an impact on the military’s ability to try Lt. Watada. Can the defendent get a fair trial? That’s part of any consideration of double jeopardy.
• Getting a legal trial without being able to introduce evidence of the true basis of the officer’s actions — barred by the judge in the first action — is questionable. The Nuremberg Principle is in play, whether or not the military wants to acknowledge it. So it’s questionable whether Lt. Watada could have gotten a fair trial under those rulings in the first place.
Unless you are a JAG officer, f’get about being able to count the spots on the dice. The military is not able to dispense UCMJ justice by closing its own eyes when it follows illegal orders and commits warcrimes. Lt. Watada should be given a dishonorable discharge at best.
Imprisonment, when murder and other heinous crimes against the UCMJ have been left unpunished ‘because the soldiers have left the service’ shows what a FANTASY it is that the military can even court martial anyone under the circumstances with anything approaching justice, in any case.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:16 pmMary Matalin:
This loyal soldier in the War on Terror doesn’t have to go at it alone.
without reading the whole thing, it appears ms.matalin hasn’t
designated which side libby is soldiering for…
for sure the war mongers are grateful for the resulting foldup of plame’s intelligence gathering, making it far easier to fix the facts about iran’s nuclear capabilities… among others…
February 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pm.
Paul in LA,
It was a simple answer to a simple question. When dealing with the law, especially military law, there are always many ins and outs. Yeah, I know it’s more complicated. That’s not what Sharon asked me. Lighten up. I’m not on the jury.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:27 pmGame. Set. Match.
Comment by Seixon
Well, I guess thats it if you say so.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:29 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus,
When it was the CIA, specifically, that sent Wilson, you don’t find it a bit of a lie to say that the CIA, specifically, did not send him? LOL!
Who did Wilson go on behalf of? The CIA. What did Wilson say?
who actually went over to Niger on behalf of the government–not of the CIA but of the government
Wilson did not go on behalf of anyone other than the CIA. The only other entity that even knew about his mission, INR, strongly advised against the mission. So, in your pursuit to dig yourself farther into the ditch you now find yourself with Wilson, how can you try to spin this?
Talk about stupid.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:30 pmThey don’t ‘Believe’ anymore than we do. Their goal is simply to make sure “Dissent” exists so any wingnut who likes to can pretend to rationality and say “See, people disagree” and that is enough.
Form over substance.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:33 pmFantasy over Reality.
Comment by katy #74
…good food for thought katy…
…but given their (Bushites’) incompetence…
…I wonder if this (Plame’s outing)…
…and confusion about Iran’s nuclear progress/purposes…
…may fall under “unintended consequences”?
…in other words, did they (Bushites) KNOW of Plame’s sensitive assignment within the CIA?
…Matalin and Carville are a case study in political gamesmanship vis-a-vis how serious IS the political polarization factor…
…to the manipulators who run the game?
February 24th, 2007 at 5:33 pmJuan C,
Well, I guess thats it if you say so.
I think the simple English phrase “on behalf of the government–not of the CIA but of the government” speaks for itself.
While Venus what’s his/her name tries to warp the English language to get Wilson off the hook, I’ll be enjoying some delicious chicken wings.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThe only other entity that even knew about his mission, INR, strongly advised against the mission.
Comment by Seixon #77
Why Sickone?
…and let’s put EVERYTHING in perspective BEFORE you venture an answer…
…the intelligence apparatchik were locked in an internecine “information-vs-misinformation” battle royale…
…involving forged Italian intelligence documents from whence the “Niger-yellow cake” connection originated…
…viability of the aluminum tubes as nuclear missile components…
…and the unreliability of “intelligence” garnered from CIA (Iraq) informant “curveball”…
…could it be they (INR/Bush administration) already KNEW what Wilson would find?
February 24th, 2007 at 5:48 pm“Lighten up. I’m not on the jury.” –Zooey
Clearly not. The MCM and the UCMJ are not like civilian courts. Different standards definitely apply.
“Jackson, in The Army Lawyer, July 2005 - “Rather than flout the laws of war, coalition forces have generally held to the policy that the Geneva and Hague Conventions are applicable in any armed conflict, no matter how characterized.”
Since the Hague Conventions bar most of what Bushco has done in its illegal invasion of Iraq, it is clearly the case that Lt. Watada has the right to argue that orders to deploy violated those conventions. Since the court martial barred that, it is hard to see how he CAN get a fair trial.
But more to the point, the judge himself, by accepting and then later denying the plea agreement, has tainted the case. How that will work out is more in the province of a specialist. But the UCMJ is quite clear that EVIDENCE of crime, not plea agreements, has to be the basis of charges. So the military, by profering a plea agreement that specifies criminal acts, and receiving it signed and presenting it to the court martial, and having it accepted by the judge — all of that prejudices Lt. Watada’s right to a trial ON EVIDENCE only.
I’m not an attorney, but it isn’t as simple as drawing conclusions from civil law.
http://www.au.af.mil/ au/ awc/ awcgate/ awc-law.htm#mcm
February 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pmSince Seixon is here defending the Shitehouse for outing Brewster Jennings and destroying a big part of our national security — those ‘chicken wings’ are the appropriate food.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWhen it was the CIA, specifically, that sent Wilson, you don’t find it a bit of a lie to say that the CIA, specifically, did not send him? LOL! Comment by Seixon — February 24, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Seixon still believes the CIA isn’t part of the the US Government!
The most dum bass swimming the frigid streams of Norway!
February 24th, 2007 at 5:57 pmI’ll be enjoying some delicious chicken wings.
Comment by Seixon — February 24, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
An appropriate meal for a chicken hawk.
February 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pmI think the simple English phrase “on behalf of the government–not of the CIA but of the government†speaks for itself.
While Venus what’s his/her name tries to warp the English language to get Wilson off the hook, I’ll be enjoying some delicious chicken wings.
Comment by Seixon — February 24, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Says the moron that doesn’t believe the CIA is a part of the US government! Don’t be a cannibal Seixon, don’t eat those wings!
February 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pm#85 - ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus,
February 24th, 2007 at 6:32 pmPerhaps Seixon will go to hellinabucket. That would make the Kentucy Colonel happy.
Future fact in a history book:
Republicans supported traitors to the United States of America and actively defended them.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:42 pmMy #86 - Kentucy s/b Kentucky.
February 24th, 2007 at 6:46 pm…in other words, did they (Bushites) KNOW of Plame’s sensitive assignment within the CIA?
Comment by big papa — February 24, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
my gut, intuition, and past experience with these criminals’ ways, says PROBABLY… why not? (pappy bush’s prior job?)…
yes, quite possibly unintended consequenses, but imagine the delight when bushco realized they could “kill two birds with one stone”: revenge of wilson, and open the door into iran…
yea, i gotta go with “they knew”…
February 24th, 2007 at 6:55 pm#87 - Vincennes,
February 24th, 2007 at 7:03 pmLincoln, Eisenhower? I’ll give you Nixon, Ford(close), Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 - don’t condemn an entire party for a few malcontents.
big papa,
Oh, so all of a sudden there was a nexus between INR and the Bush administration? That’s odd, especially considering the INR dissented on both the aluminum tubes and the uranium issue, whereas the CIA and the rest (save DOE) backed them up. Try to get those talking points straight now, you lookin the fool.
Paul,
I haven’t even mentioned Brewster & Jennings, and I haven’t heard a shred of evidence that anyone in the White House knew anything about it. Where did Novak get the info from? Find the answer to that first, then start pretending you know what the hell you’re talking about.
Valiant,
Let’s pretend you work for a large company. You work for a specific department of that company. Let’s say that your boss at this department decides to do something without running it by their boss at the company. Now, in explaining how this decision came to be made, would it be genuine to say that “my department did not make this decision, the company did”? Or would that be, how should I put this, a direct lie? Chew on it a bit.
Oh, and for the Young and the Restless, there are no KFC restaurants in Norway.
Gasp, to think, a world exists outside your precious sphere (bubble) of ignorance.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:03 pmkaty,
Read David Corn’s book? In it, it says Plame was working on, alakazam, Iraq. Not Iran. Ah, what use is it, the Jason Leopold School of Journalism has cleaned the tables around these parts.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:04 pmComment by katy #89
…completely forgot about Papa Bush having been a biggie w/CIA years ago…
…Cheney’s been a viper (in the gov’t) for waay too long as well…
…yeah they knew…
…I’d say TRASON in the Bushite WH is a part of their domestic policy…
…and the “patriotic” DUHmerican Bushite cultists choose to turn a blind eye…
…go figure…
February 24th, 2007 at 7:05 pmComment by Seixon #91
…as bushiva’s recent blitz of appointments in civil service agencies of his own personal troops shows…
…EVERYTHING in the BUSH gov’t has a “nexus”…
…when one “creates reality” one must be able to control EVERYTHING within one’s purview…
…in other words in Bush’s world trust none of what you hear and even less what you see…
…and to borrow your phrase (with a minor adjustment of course)….
Gasp, to think, a (totally manufactured) world exists outside your precious sphere (bubble) of forced ignorance…
…If you get the chance to grow up you may understand…
February 24th, 2007 at 7:14 pmbig papa,
OK, so you’re saying that Bush made sure INR dissented on the aluminum tubes, while also making sure that they advised against the CIA sending Wilson, while Wilson was still let go by the CIA. So Bush can’t control the CIA, but they can control the INR, but can’t control the INR to support the intelligence they liked from the CIA, who they apparently can’t control because they sent Wilson.
Man. Must be quite a trip taking a ride through your brain.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI wouldn’t think Armitage was involved in it, as an active proxy. He may have mistakenly pointed her name to the reporter, but certainly not as an instrument of changing the political Dialogue.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:21 pmComment by Seixon #92
Sickson,
What book?
…and even IF this is true…
…for how long had Plame-Wilson been working on Iraq?
…the weapons inspectors weren’t allowed to complete THEIR mission…
…was Plame?
…given that there was little if any “on the ground” intelligence assets in Iraq at that time…
…(which is why your gods Bushiva and L’il dick got wmd SO WRONG)…
…how effective could Plame-Wilson have possibly hoped to have been?
…again IF your assertion is correct…(personally I don’t trust sh*t you post)…
…seems the Jason Leopold School of Journalism has been discredited again around these parts.
February 24th, 2007 at 7:24 pmbig papa,
What book?
Seriously? Man… You anti-Bush goons don’t even read the anti-Bush literature? You’re really that lazy?
and even IF this is true
As opposed to the Raw Story-David Shuster “truth”? LOL!
for how long had Plame-Wilson been working on Iraq?
Not sure if they got into details about that in the book, have only read some excerpts, but it said she got to choose between North Korea and Iraq. And thus history was written.
the weapons inspectors weren’t allowed to complete THEIR mission
You’re right. Saddam never let them finish it between 1991 and 1998, he wouldn’t even let inspectors in between 1999-2002. Their mission wasn’t going to solve the problem in Iraq, something everyone knew. Even The Goracle.
was Plame?
She’s got a book coming out. Let’s all wait in squeamish anticipation!
how effective could Plame-Wilson have possibly hoped to have been?
Indeed, good sir, how? Perhaps that was not their concern… The INR thought it completely foolish to send Wilson, but Mr. Ego thought otherwise.
again IF your assertion is correct…(personally I don’t trust sh*t you post)
So you won’t trust David Corn either? The guy who runs bushlies.com? Alrighty then. Take care.
seems the Jason Leopold School of Journalism has been discredited again around these parts
Leopold discredited? OMG really? When? ;)
February 24th, 2007 at 7:42 pmsupport the intelligence they liked from the CIA, who they apparently can’t control because they sent Wilson…
Comment by Seixon #95
…perhaps you have you forgotten…
…Cheney didn’t KNOW WHO Wilson was…
…or WHO sent him…
…I think it’s safe to assume that if CHENEY wasn’t in the loop…(on the CIA Wilson mission to Niger)…
…Bushiva wasn’t…
…you constantly use the term “control”; as in, “but they can control the INR, but can’t control the INR to support the intelligence they liked from the CIA”…
…my post refers more to the “control” of perception/ the message…
…not so much the entity…
…the Bushites KNEW that dissent (from the INR and others) was out there on the record…
…and that it would be used in future debate, and chose to charge full steam ahead with their lies, and half-truths anyway…
…they’re seasoned at controlling perception/the message by muddying the waters…
…like Bush/Rove did with the forged document about Bush’s desertion that got CBS’ Dan Rather in hot water …
…even though the letter’s content and overall premise was factual and correct…
…the very fact that it was “forged” overshadowed (discredited) the information…
…try riding through YOUR brain sometimes…
…I know it’s a short ride and boring, but perhaps you can expand it a bit…
February 24th, 2007 at 7:49 pmHey, you used my YT video! Great!
Now check out the rest by searching on “BI30″.
http://www.bi30.org
February 24th, 2007 at 7:51 pmblog.bi30.org
1) Saddam never let them finish it between 1991 and 1998, he wouldn’t even let inspectors in between 1999-2002.
2) Not sure if they got into details about that in the book, have only read some excerpts,
3) So you won’t trust David Corn either?
4) Leopold discredited? OMG really? When?
Comment by Seixon #98
…1) Bushiva told the inspectors to leave just before shock and awe…
…2)so your touting the fact that she worked on intelligence related to Iraq’s wmd (and implying that SHE had a hand in promoting the Bushite wmd meme)…
…has little to no value in this discussion…
…3) IF your assertion is correct…(personally I don’t trust sh*t you post)
…4) when YOU decided to cite them in YOUR retarded post that btw proved NOTHING…
February 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pmbig papa,
So what you’re saying, channeling Larry Johnson and the Left, is that the president of the United States should have listened to the Minority Report, the one INR and DOE filed on the aluminum tubes and uranium, and ignored all the other intelligence agencies that backed the conclusions in the NIE? Can I ask why?
Larry Johnson, and the Left, know full well that it was the intelligence agencies that screwed all this up. Perhaps they did so on purpose, who knows. So in order to blame Bush, they had to allege that the Bush administration had pressured the intelligence agencies into making stuff up for them. When not a single intelligence officer would testify under oath to having been pressured, that fell apart quite quickly.
The CIA had it wrong during the Clinton administration. The CIA had it wrong during the Bush administration. It’s pretty simple, really.
Your belief that Bush/Rove set up CBS seems to cement your position as a form of “Truther” that will believe just about anything if its written by the right people. Do you have a single piece of evidence, even circumstantial, to suggest that Rove/Bush had anything to do with the forged TANG documents? Sheeeeesh.
Try starting with facts and evidence, and then working your way towards a conclusion, and not the other way around.
February 24th, 2007 at 8:01 pm#101
1. Yes. Removing Saddam Hussein was the key. Read some Gore.
2. No, I’m trying to teach you that the whole “Plame worked on Iran” was a lie sold to you by the Leopold Front Company LLC. Plame was working on Iraq, which, surprise surprise, was why she was involved with meetings relating to issues concerning Iraq and uranium back in 2002. Bush was promoting CIA’s WMD meme, not the other way around. The sooner you figure this out, the better.
You may now realize that the CIA, and former agents thereof, have been playing a game ever since the WMD story went up in smoke to put the blame on the Bush administration instead of on the ones who screwed it up - the intelligence agencies, specifically the CIA.
3. The assertion is from David Corn, not me. Give it a rest.
4. It did not prove anything, because it has already been proven that Wilson and his cohorts have lied numerous times. Jason Leopold was working the pro-Wilson storyline for Larry Johnson. Remember?
February 24th, 2007 at 8:09 pm#102 - Seixon,
February 24th, 2007 at 8:19 pmAnyone who posts such drivel at 2AM is certifiably insane. The CIA had it right, the Cheney administration chose to ignore it.
the president of the United States should have listened to the Minority Report, the one INR and DOE filed on the aluminum tubes and uranium, and ignored all the other intelligence agencies that backed the conclusions in the NIE? Can I ask why?
Comment by Seixon #102
Sickson,
I REALLY believe you’re toying with us…
…and I’m also almost convinced that you realize that the criminal Bushite junta had ulterior criminal TREASONOUS motives in going into Iraq…
…but let’s answer you question…
…besides the knowledge that other NATO leaders had utmost faith in the regimen of economic sanctions, weapons inspections, and (illegal) no-fly zones in keeping Saddam contained…
…George W. Bush had the benefit of the best counsel any president could’ve asked for, his own father…
…it’s been WIDELY reported that Bush 41 (himself former CIA) was dead set against this stupidity…
…but the “angry”, spoiled, recalcitrant, ambitious son was (among OTHER things) going to SHOW his father how “successful” his (41’s) chronically “failed” son could be…
…EVERYONE in the intelligence community (Tenet especially) knew that Iraq/Saddam was a toohless tiger militarily…
…and THAT’S exactly why Bushiva and L’il Dick chose them for attack…
…they are degenerate gamblers who made a geopolitical bet that they could topple a weakened dictator and garner political/historical immortality in the wake of 9/11…
…set up a forward military spearhead in a region they want to control…
…control the world’s 2nd largest oil fields…
…and make a buck for Bushiva’s and L’il Dick’s cronies and themselves…
…I won’t go into the military ramifications like testing weapons, tactics and force numerology…
…I DO hope this helps…
February 24th, 2007 at 8:36 pmYou may now realize that the CIA, and former agents thereof, have been playing a game ever since the WMD story went up in smoke to put the blame on the Bush administration
Comment by Seixon #103
I would personally kill and eat the hearts of my loved ones for my gods…
…Bushiva and L’il Dick…
…I pray to them five times a day in the makeshift shrine (in my livingroom) to their glory and honor…
…I have offered small animals as burnt offerings, but have plans to kidnap, molest, then sacrifice some of the minority children (in particular Muslims) in my town…
…All HAIL Bushiva and L’il Dick! HAIL! HAIL!strong>
-Seixon (the faithful Bushite disciple)-
February 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pmAwww…
…methinkst me struck a nerve…
February 24th, 2007 at 9:10 pm#104
Anyone who posts such drivel at 2AM is certifiably insane. The CIA had it right, the Cheney administration chose to ignore it.
Eh. You’ve read the October 2002 NIE, yeah? Please say no, because otherwise you need to call your dentist as you just blew out some teeth by trying to push a big whopper of a lie through them. I guess this the Larry Johnson School of Cover Your Former Employer’s Ass. I cannot believe, in 2007, that there are still people who believe that the CIA got it right on Iraq. The sheer insanity of it. Astounding.
big papa,
I’m seriously not joking around. And yes, they chose to attack Iraq precisely because Saddam was a pushover. You’re absolutely correct. That’s one of the reasons why Iraq was the target and not Million Man North Korea or Quagmire in the Mountains Iran. Among others. You can continue to believe the simplistic “war for oil” slogan, but that’s what it is, a shallow simplistic farce of a notion. Oil played a part in this war, but not quite what the simpletons believe. This thing is a bit more complicated than all of that. Of course, having to sit down and think of something complicated is too much to ask of most Americans, or other citizens of the world, these days, so there it is.
It’s simple as pie to see the fighting between the CIA and the Bush administration on who gets the blame for the intelligence failure, but in the end, those who are wiser know that the CIA has been around far longer than the Bush administration, and their intelligence on Iraq had been around longer than the Bush administration, and they were the ones who came up with it, not the Bush administration.
Only suckers like you fall for their psy-ops using progressive alternative media.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:20 pmIn spite of a determined effort on the part of some to redifine anti-Semitism to constrain critics of Israel government actions, there is an equally determined pushback- a real movement to treat Israel as a nation like any other. That is, a nation with its own interests, which, if truth be told, it pursues aggressively, and not only in the occupied territories and Lebanon, but also right here in the U.S. The story of Israel’s underground army in America- and its foreknowledge of the 9/11 terrorist attacks- is based on facts, not fantasies, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism—and everything to do with establishing the full context of the worst terrorist attack in our history.
I completely believe that there is so much more to the 911 story that implicates our own government’s knowledge of what was coming, and that it was allowed to happen. It justified so much of what followed, in their minds and the propaganda that continued. These so-called “conspiracy theories” are the only ones that are really beginning to make sense, when you start following those dots. This is an incredibly dirty business, and on the part of the U.S., it mostly revolves around oil…pipelines, ports, etc. For the Israelis, it’s their conception of survival, and it’s obvious they are willing to take the whole planet down, if necessary, to survive. These are NOT the Jews of the Holocaust that we are talking about here. The U.S. failed those people many years ago when we had a chance to do so prior to WWII. And they are also not the ancient people that Moses supposedly led out of Egypt. These are a modern, and extremely militarily well-equipped nation, with a very aggressive government. A government that has inordinate influence in Washington, D.C.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:22 pmWow, this place is whacked with wingnuts.
One of my favorite wingnut Plame stories is that since Armitage leaked the info about Plame + CIA, then anyone else revealing classified information, even PRIOR to Armitage, is automatically innocent! It’s magic! It’s rightwing! It’s stupid beyond belief!
And that’s their best card.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:26 pmOkay, I looked it all up. I’m right, and you’re wrong. Wilson’s op-ed was published July 6, 2003, but Cheney’s gang started after Joe in May, 2 months earlier. And the evidence from Libby’s trial showed just HOW hard they went after him in June.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:40 pmhttp://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Plame_Leak_timeline
tubino,
No, see, now you’ve misunderstood. Probably purposefully.
The Left claims that Cheney instructed his minions to out Plame as revenge against Wilson. Richard Armitage was not a minion of Cheney’s. He does not fit that narrative one bit. That he was the one who got Plame’s name into the media by blabbing about it to at least two reporters… well… that doesn’t fit the storyline the Left has created, created without any evidence, I might add.
None of these people talking about Mrs. Wilson knew of any classified or covert position. Her employment at the CIA was casually included in a memo from INR to the State Department.
No one has been charged with the leaking of Plame’s occupation. Think about it. Thanks.
February 24th, 2007 at 9:40 pm#
Future fact in a history book:
Republicans supported traitors to the United States of America and actively defended them.
Comment by Vincennes — February 24, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
You didn’t finish the end of the history lesson. “As a result, they were tried, convicted and hung as traitors themselves because they failed to uphold their vow to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, while providing aid and comfort to the “enemy within.”
February 24th, 2007 at 9:40 pmThe Wilson NYT OpEd was vetted by the State Department starting in March/April 2003. Sections were blacked out, but Wilson arrived at a point where there was no reason to redact any of its content in July. That’s when the poop hit the fan.
February 24th, 2007 at 10:12 pmYou can continue to believe the simplistic “war for oil†slogan, but that’s what it is, a shallow simplistic farce of a notion. Oil played a part in this war
Comment by Seixon #109
Sickson,
Thanks for making my point about your deluded schizophrenic nature…
…on the one hand you deride and criticize:
“You can continue to believe the simplistic “war for oil†slogan…a shallow simplistic farce of a notion.”
…THEN you contradict your own critique:
“Oil played a part in this war”
…and for your information…
…you should try reading the ENTIRE post…
…you’d see that the “war for oil” rationale was ONLY a part my “why Bush attacked Iraq” synopsis…
…seems like we’re all guilty of seeing/hearing ONLY what we want to see/hear from time-to-time…
February 24th, 2007 at 11:50 pmHow can someone attend college and yet be so STUPID at the same time? A look at our friends(and enemies) across the aisle and the dogshit they convey about Democrats or anyone “Not Like Them” for example and to wit:
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College Republicans Apology letter
To Whom It May Concern:
I would like to express my sincere and deepest regret to Dean of Seaver College, Dr. David Baird, Professor Dan Caldwell, Republicans, Democrats, and everyone else who was affected by a recent Facebook message that was sent to members of the Facebook group “College Republicans.†I would also like to make clear that I was not speaking for the Pepperdine College Republicans club, but on my own. The message was careless and inexcusable and I humbly ask for forgiveness from anyone who was hurt by my words.
Specifically, I’d like to apologize for the following actions:
1. A statement about “chastising†the Dean of Seaver College, Dr. David Baird. If I had it to do over, I would have made clear that I was suggesting to our officers and members that they contact Dr. Baird and respectfully recommend speakers that share our beliefs. I now understand that my words were disrespectful to the Dean and I am very sorry.
2. My comment about making John Kerry feel “unwelcome.†Although I do not agree with Senator Kerry politically, he is entitled to respectful treatment at all times and I do not condone any kind of disruptive or disrespectful behavior. I realize now that someone could use my statement to justify improper behavior and I sincerely apologize for not choosing my words more carefully.
3. Insinuating that John Kerry is a traitor. Just because someone has a different opinion does not make them a traitor and I am sorry for using that label.
4. My use of implied profanity. I understand that this is not consistent with the Christian mission of Pepperdine University.
While I wrote a good deal of the message in a joking and non-serious manner, I realize that not everyone viewed it in the same light. I have definitely learned from this experience. It is important to always speak and act professionally and respectfully, especially in correspondence that can enter the public forum. I will not make these same mistakes again and I am truly sorry for the way I came across online.
Sincerely,
Ben Seale
Submitted 09-07-2006
February 25th, 2007 at 4:12 am“Paul, I haven’t even mentioned Brewster & Jennings, and I haven’t heard a shred of evidence that anyone in the White House knew anything about it.”
Seixon, research the phrase “knowingly or unknowingly”.
IF you are claiming they didn’t know, then why are you pleading their defense HERE?
Save it for the judge. Whether or not they knowingly outed Brewster Jennings is moot to the criminal act itself.
• Failing to guard Al-Qaqaa’s 380 metric tons of (previously under seal) high explosives — in effect handing it out to hostiles — is either gross criminal negligence or treason.
• Outing Brewster Jennings knowingly or unknowingly is STILL treason, as the Constitution notes:
Section. 3.: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
Giving the enemies of our troops a mountain of high-explosives — that’s aid. While Bush AND YOU have been attacking his critics as unpatriotic, the plain evidence is that Bush and Rumsfeld FAILED to guard those munitions, and by their illegal invasion of Iraq released them to the enemies of the United States.
• Informing our enemies that the persons who have gone into Brewster Jennings offices around the world WERE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CIA is again, aid to our enemies.
Both are counts of treason. These could be gross criminal negligence crimes as well, but they both qualify as giving aid to our enemies in ways SO much more damaging than any citizen criticism that your stance is bizarrely unpatriotic to say the least.
• Failing to capture and bring to justice Osama Bin Laden by gross underdeployment of US troops to Tora Bora (1,500 troops, not enough for an intramural squash tournament, much less to capture Bin Laden) was also an act of giving aid to our enemies.
Gross criminal negligence in the crime of treason is still treason.
February 25th, 2007 at 4:13 amSunday, February 25, 2007
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Virginia Legislators Vote to Apologize for Slavery (1:46 am)
Larry O’Dell for AP reports:
RICHMOND, Va. — Meeting on the grounds of the former Confederate Capitol, t