VIDEO: Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth Wins Best Documentary
VIDEO: Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth Wins Best Documentary
Tonight, Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth won the Academy Award for Best Documentary. Gore accepted the award, saying, “My fellow Americans, people all over the world — we need to solve the climate crisis. It’s not a political issue. It’s a moral issue. We have everything we need to get started with the possible exception of the will to act. That’s a renewable resource. Let’s renew it.”
Watch it:
Just as they blasted the Grammy-winning Dixie Chicks, conservatives are already claiming that An Inconvenient Truth won tonight simply because Hollywood agrees with Gore’s views.
The truth is, two years ago, global warming was still considered a fringe issue to many. Today, the debate is over — Americans overwhelmingly agree that the climate crisis exists and that we must act now to reverse it. An Inconvenient Truth had a profound impact on how Americans view the issue of global warming. Al Gore deserved this award.
UPDATE: A medley of the other Gore moments at tonight’s Oscars, including his “big announcement”:
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Congrats to Gore.
Now, will he start living by the advice he gave all of us?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:01 pmI went to the movie when it first came out, I cried for my grandchildren and then for their (unborn) children. We must cease this rape of our planet. Otherwise the human race is doomed.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:06 pmH.B. just when I thought some of your post were worth reading you had to go and spoil it, back to skipping over all..Some people just have to spoil every one elses parade no matter what…Blessings
February 25th, 2007 at 11:08 pmMeaning what, exactly Bob?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:10 pm#3 He is definitely one skippable troll.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:11 pm“We must cease this rape of our planet. Otherwise the human race is doomed.
Comment by WaltTheMan — February 25, 2007 @ 11:06 pm”
Walt, what rape?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:12 pm[...] ThinkProgress is rockin’ out with some quick video uploads. Click here for the video of Gore and Co. accepting the Oscar. [...]
February 25th, 2007 at 11:12 pmInteresting discussion about how politics and examples are different, depending on where you live…. http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8703017&CFID=106086993&CFTOKEN=580adfe-0659a2d0-7caa-4957-823d-f2496cf9b422
February 25th, 2007 at 11:13 pmWell deserved. This is devestating for the anti-GW croud so now watch the trolls come out in droves. They will spew their hate and lies. Anything to misinform American.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:13 pmOh goodie!! My friend michael is back. And with his nonsense in high gear. Michael, are you over that concussion yet?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:15 pm“They will spew their hate and lies. Anything to misinform American.
Comment by paland — February 25, 2007 @ 11:13 pm”
Yes, we will have a field day with this but it will be with the convenient truth!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:16 pm#6 – michael,
February 25th, 2007 at 11:18 pmCome down to Earth!
Al was totally teasing the audience with his “my fellow Americans” and that gag with Leonardo.
Which is very exciting, because I don’t think he’d do that if he weren’t planning to actually run. He’s gonna do it!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:18 pmCongratulations, Al Gore.
Now, will he start living by the advice he gave all of us?
Comment by hacker bob
How soon is soon enough, Robert? If he starts right this very second living up to your standards of non-hypocrisy, is it soon enough?
BTW, what’s YOUR carbon footprint? Mine is ZERO.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:19 pm#10 Michael, stop deluding yourself. Truth? From a righty? How…quaint.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:19 pmYes, we will have a field day with this but it will be with the convenient truth!
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Faith-based or fact-based?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:19 pm“My friend michael is back. And with his nonsense in high gear. Michael, are you over that concussion yet?
Comment by zeigel — February 25, 2007 @ 11:15 pm”
Some things just don’t change. I see you still substitute insults for common sense?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:20 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:10 pm
Maybe switch 1 or 2 of his homes the “green” power. Always fly commercial. Use public transportation, instead of limos and cabs. Maybe sell his holdings in Oxy Petroleum. You know, the same things Ed Begley(sp?) Jr does, and has been doing for years.
I am happy his movie won, because of the message. I just wish the messenger lived by the message.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:20 pmmelissa ethridge sond just won also…
7, 6, 5, 4, …
February 25th, 2007 at 11:20 pm“Come down to Earth!
Comment by WaltTheMan — February 25, 2007 @ 11:18 pm”
I have! Your point? Dry your eyes before you answer.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:21 pmCongrats! Linked on DKos.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:22 pmMalissa got it, another win, Wahoooooo.Blessings
February 25th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWalt,
Careful of michael. His debating skillz are stunning. Heh.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:23 pmHey, notice that foxnews .com in their article just now “and the oscar goes to…” doesn’t even mention the win. …
And Melissa just won for the title song!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:23 pm“Faith-based or fact-based?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:19 pm”
Fact of course. Stay tuned!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:24 pmHow about you Bob, do you live by everything that you believe in?
“Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone” —- Someone Famous
February 25th, 2007 at 11:25 pmComment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
You brought the charge, now prove it.
Oh, and prove you’re a Marine, and not just some wannabe. You show absolutely no concern for your commrades-in-arms. Not like a Marine at all.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:26 pm“Careful of michael. His debating skillz are stunning. Heh.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 11:23 pm”
Like you could handle me? Want to try?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:27 pmam happy his movie won, because of the message. I just wish the messenger lived by the message.
Comment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
Interesting that the message and Al Gore are inextricably linked – but only in the US…. what happens if you take Al Gore away… just like you listen to Alec Baldwin on Discovery Chanell and wonder about those “Alec beat me” stories from Kim Basinger – does the history of the dinosaurs change if Alec beats Kim or not?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:27 pm#27 Oh, Michael, I thought you could think of a better line than that, you cad.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:28 pmMichael – you were stuffed like a Christmas turkey last week…. be careful you might get what you wish for
February 25th, 2007 at 11:28 pmH.B. just when I thought some of your post were worth reading you had to go and spoil it, back to skipping over all…
Comment by Sharon — February 25, 2007 @ 11:08 pm
i have noticed, bob, you’ve been regressing…
February 25th, 2007 at 11:29 pmdoes it have anything to do with a friendly jab in jest at your (until then) increasingly progressive bend? … seems you’re trying very hard to fight that inclination by being more testy than normal…
just sayin’…
“Faith-based or fact-based?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:19 pmâ€
Fact of course. Stay tuned!
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
LOL – for what Michael – or are we in for another “I don’t have to prove anything evening”?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:29 pmI and many others would donate more money than ever before to get the presidential elections right this time. I sure hope he runs. And I hope the trolls hate on him a whole lot… it says something about them that I like.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:29 pmZooey, michael is sounding more and more like Ex-lie. Time to ignore this pest.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:30 pmLike you could handle me? Want to try?
Comment by michael
Yeah. Where do you want to meet?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThis was not a documentary. It is a propaganda movie. A documentary should document something, not set out to convince people of an idea. It ceased to be reflective and become just another media product.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:31 pm#27
Michael don’t worry about it Al Gore is far more effective in this capacity. It’s OK.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:32 pmI am glad the movie won.
What if the premise were wrong, but we acted upon it anyway? What would be the result? New industry would spring up, and practices that worked in harmony with the Earth would predominate. How would that be a bad thing for mankind?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:32 pmBob, Bite Me.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:34 pmComment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
If I remember correctly, I did the test on climatecrisis.com(.org) and I rated at about 4.75. I think the national average is around 5.5-6.0. I would go back and redo the test so I could be more accurate, but the computer crashed this morning and I am working off a PDA.
I do not have the luxury of public transportation where I live. I use florescent light bulbs. For trips to the conveniance store around the corner, I ride a bike or electric scooter when weather permits.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:35 pmFor Mikey, Bobo and the rest of the troll clowns.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:35 pmI hope you’re still alive when your grandkids tell you how f*cked up you must have been to allow this to happen on your shift, with your full backing.
Normally, such Z-list trolling would be tedious, but just this once, I’m enjoying their public pain immensely.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:36 pmThis was not a documentary. It is a propaganda movie. A documentary should document something, not set out to convince people of an idea. It ceased to be reflective and become just another media product.
Comment by Ian — February 25, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Fine contribution Ian – so if you could now weigh in with why this is a propaganda film, cite your sources please – peer-reviewed science works well here, then we have a debate.
Thought experiment for you – imagine the film is narrated by … ooh go with me here… John Wayne – what changes for you here?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:37 pm#19 – michael,
February 25th, 2007 at 11:37 pmI will make it simple. Jetties that I roved as a child are now awash. The seafront at high tide on the island where I live has advanced about 60 feet inshore in the last ten years and it is not from erosion. Polar bears are drowning in the Arctic. The North Pole is ice free during the summer for the first time in 60 centuries (according to ice bores taken in the last five years). The conifer line in the western United States has retreated about 1200 feet as invasive leafed trees have taken over. England is losing about 700 seaside homes a year to the advancing ocean. Some of these homes were built during the era of the Battle of Hastings(1066).
[...] in the show to tease the audience about making an announcement, Al Gore returned to the stage to accept an Oscar for best documentary. Ellen DeGeneres also referred to Gore at the start of the show, saying [...]
February 25th, 2007 at 11:39 pmFor trips to the conveniance store around the corner, I ride a bike or electric scooter when weather permits.
Comment by hacker bob
Good on ya, Robert. Our public transportation is only by the grace of the University and a grant. I hope it continues for the next few years, or I’ll be hoofing it — winter & summer.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:40 pm#36: A documentary should document something, not set out to convince people of an idea.
A good documentary, like a good research paper, makes an argument. I’m thinking here of Hoop Dreams, Grizzly Man, The Thin Blue Line, Super Size Me, Spellbound, and numerous other examples. If you want to see documentaries that don’t make an argument, I’m sure you can find some, but don’t expect them to win any Academy Awards.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:40 pmNormally, such Z-list trolling would be tedious, but just this once, I’m enjoying their public pain immensely.
Comment by DarkSyde
Aren’t they adorable? I see they brought a few friends this evening.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:41 pmToo cute.
Get off your V8 and buy a Prius
February 25th, 2007 at 11:42 pmBravo Mr. President.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:43 pmInteresting. hacker bob and michael have the same Rune today:
EOH: Change: Reversed.
Normally, Eoh means change for the better. In your case, it is reversed. A journey, not for pleasure, is on your horizon. Abrupt changes will not bring about desired results.
If you are in the Marines, as you claim, I advise you to update your will. Just a feeling I got…you’ve built up a lot of karma with your posts…your energy’s shrouded in darkness…or do you wear black most of the time?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:44 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
I am not the one railing about global warming, then jumping on Paramont’s private jet to promote my movie.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:44 pmTerry, good to see you posting again!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:46 pm“What if the premise were wrong, but we acted upon it anyway? What would be the result? New industry would spring up, and practices that worked in harmony with the Earth would predominate. How would that be a bad thing for mankind?”
Air pollution in our cities is increasing, more and more people are being treated for air-born illnesses. South Korea is going to have a record number of yellow dust days thanks to China’s coal factories. And that will impact here in Japan as well. So how is taking any action a bad thing?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:47 pmI am not the one railing about global warming, then jumping on Paramont’s private jet to promote my movie.
Comment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
bob, that’s not proof, that’s unsupported innuendo. And you know where you can stick it: inn-u-endo.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:47 pmLast year, the consensus was that we would have the worst hurricane season ever. In the 70’s, the consensus was that we were experiencing global cooling. At the beginning of the 20th century, the consensus was that if man ever went the speed of sound he’d disintegrate. In the 1800’s, the consensus was that we’d never be able to fly. At the beginning of the 15th century, the consensus was that the world was flat, and the Earth was at the center of the universe.
And now, the consensus is that man is responsible for global warming. What incredible hubris.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:47 pmHmm, I didn’t know Paramont had a private jet.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:48 pmComment by RUCerious — February 25, 2007 @ 11:35 pm
I am F-d up because I say Al Gore needs to practice what he preaches. Wow.
I agree global warming is an issue we all need to do something about. I am sorry that I think the “spokes person” should be leading by example..
February 25th, 2007 at 11:48 pmAwash. Who really says awash?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:48 pmOnly republicans would rather NOT pay to clean our skies using a couple billion dollars while spending a half-trillion on a lie-filled war.
Its freaking sick.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:51 pm“what happens if you take Al Gore away
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:27 pm”
NOTHING!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:51 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
I am not the one railing about global warming, then jumping on Paramont’s private jet to promote my movie.
Comment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Dude, Mr Gore professes to purchase ‘carbon-emissions-offsets’ to account for his travel by jet etc. Do you think the US military adopts a needy child for every ‘collateral damage orphan’ it creates?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:52 pm[...] – 9:02 PM PST Al Gore said the following tonight after An Inconvenient Truth won an Oscar for best documentary: “My fellow Americans, people all over the world — we need to solve the climate crisis. [...]
February 25th, 2007 at 11:52 pmHe should lead by example. But get around how? Bicycle? Glider? Hot-air balloon?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pm“Michael – you were stuffed like a Christmas turkey last week…. be careful you might get what you wish for
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:28 pm”
By who?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pmAwash. Who really says awash?
Comment by Dale — February 25, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Someone that’s literate, and educated – that rules out Conservatives like you!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pmAwash. Who really says awash?
Comment by Dale
Walt does. What’s your point, Dale?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pm“….Just as they blasted the Grammy-winning Dixie Chicks, conservatives are already claiming that An Inconvenient Truth won tonight simply because Hollywood agrees with Gore’s views…..” – TP
Liberals missed a wonderful opportunity tonight – IF the multi-facetted Al Gore had NOT won the Oscar tonight, millions of conservatives would have fainted, hit their heads and possibly expired. WE knew it was in the bag for the Veep – whew!
A question for TP – what could previous generations of our ancestors done to alleviate the threat of repetitive Ice Ages and subsequent Global Warmings??? Only the most “self-important” people believe they have the power to change the course of nature. You might have forgotten – oil is organic….humans are natural. Lighten up….
February 25th, 2007 at 11:54 pmNOTHING!
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Exactly! The message does not change one iota. Ooh, Michael made sense – what are we to do with that? Maybe the Rapture is coming tonight….
February 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Actually, I do wear black frequently. I am currently in a black t-shirt and black pajama bottoms.
I keep my will up to date as well. Goes with the job.
Now, you have leveled the accusation that I am not who I say I am. Prove it. You can look at my facebook account for some pictures of me in uniform. Discount the photographic evidence.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pm“what happens if you take Al Gore away
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:27 pmâ€
NOTHING!
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:51 pm
Projecting your own lack of value in the world again desk jockey? Just because you’re a personal failure, you think someone that’s been a senator, vice president, and is now an Oscar winner is – NOTHING?
HEHE, that’s funny coming from a NOTHING like you, stupid old f*rt.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pm#60 As opposed to you michael? The world would suffer a whole lot if you weren’t born? Kind of a stupid comment by you, wouldn’t you say?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pm“I and many others would donate more money than ever before to get the presidential elections right this time. I sure hope he runs. And I hope the trolls hate on him a whole lot… it says something about them that I like.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — February 25, 2007 @ 11:29 pm”
Right this time? They weren’t right the last time? And I hope he runs also. We will have a blast with him!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pmA question for TP – what could previous generations of our ancestors done to alleviate the threat of repetitive Ice Ages and subsequent Global Warmings??? Comment by valiant venus — February 25, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Barely survive them. But fatalist rapturist zionist fools like the organizations you belong to like that kind of evolutionary pressure don’t you? Oh wait, you don’t believe in evolution – and the earth is 8000 years old, there was no ice age – dum bass.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:56 pmAnd now, the consensus is that man is responsible for global warming. What incredible hubris.
Comment by Dale
Apparently you have not watched “An Inconvenient Truth”. The BIG chart shows empirical evidence. Not the guesses of scientists trying to predict what would happen from an imbalanced earth. All we really know is that the trends are clearly going off the charts and we dont know what will happen next. The unknown can be fun in a mystery novel… not so fun when mother nature is beating you down like a dinosaur.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:56 pm#65 Aww, give him a break, he would have said warshed.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:56 pm“Time to ignore this pest.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 11:30 pm”
Meaning? His questions are too hard to answer!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:57 pmAl Gore and the rest of the enviro-wacks don’t have to use private planes. They might not enjoy this “Inconvenient Truth” – but they could utilize commercial carriers – they choose not to from time to time. Remember, their convenience and time is far more important that the rest of the planet they’re trying to save.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:57 pmHe leads plenty by example. Don’t believe conservative smear-jobs.
Thinkprogress and americablog debunked them using the truth.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:57 pm“Yeah. Where do you want to meet?
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 11:30 pm”
Right here! You go first! I’m waiting?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:58 pmRight this time? They weren’t right the last time? And I hope he runs also. We will have a blast with him!
Comment by michael
No. Last time the will of the people was ignored. This time that must not happen. What could have been? Lets see. I bet it will be much better than Buuush presidency.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:58 pmOnly the most “self-important†people believe they have the power to change the course of nature.
Hmm, so that ozone hole and the link to man-made fluro-carbons was all bunk? There’s no ozone hole? Come on, I’ve seen your site MA, even you need to wear more sunblock with each passing year….
February 25th, 2007 at 11:58 pm#71 So michael, who is your candidate? Giuliani…McCain? I would love to get a handle on who the trolls support. There isn’t a Bush in the bunch, is there? Except maybe Brownback but he is a third tier candidate. Poor extremists.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:58 pmRight this time? They weren’t right the last time? And I hope he runs also. We will have a blast with him! Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
We? Are you part of the Chickenhawk liars for undermining american values through Swiftboating? Or are you being an armchair player again, you useless old fool?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:58 pm“Careful of michael. His debating skillz are stunning. Heh.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 11:23 pmâ€
Like you could handle me? Want to try?
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:27 pm
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Michael is like the freshman kid in high school who still looks and acts like a 6th grader and who goes around trying to pick fights with all of the older kids for “acceptance”
He get’s bitchslapped everytime, and to save face, the dumb pri*ck comes back for more and more. We just keep tossing him around amongst ourselves, us older kids do.
Ha. Too funny.
And as always Michael,
Go Fu*ck yourself.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYou might have forgotten – oil is organic….humans are natural. Lighten up….
Comment by valiant venus
So is arsenic, you twit.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:59 pmOh, by the way Mikey, he won last time too.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:59 pm“I hope you’re still alive when your grandkids tell you how f*cked up you must have been to allow this to happen on your shift, with your full backing.
Comment by RUCerious — February 25, 2007 @ 11:35 pm”
When what happens?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:59 pm#58 – Dale,
February 26th, 2007 at 12:00 amPersons with a command of the English language.
#48 – John Wayne,
We are a two Prius family. The gas bill is almost nil.
Meaning? His questions are too hard to answer!
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
Michael says: “Did so!”
February 26th, 2007 at 12:01 amA question for TP – what could previous generations of our ancestors done to alleviate the threat of repetitive Ice Ages and subsequent Global Warmings??? Only the most “self-important†people believe they have the power to change the course of nature. You might have forgotten – oil is organic….humans are natural. Lighten up….
Comment by valiant venus
I suggest you read books… or at least watch history channel. We humans can move mountains now. Hollow them out. Just about anything we want. Our industrial technology is completely underestimated by people like you.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:01 amWhen what happens?
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
We could say, when you grow a brain – but that will be never, won’t it st*pid old f*rt?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:02 amRight here! You go first! I’m waiting?
Comment by michael
No, michael, in person. I’m gonna kick the shit out of you. Where do you want to meet?
How tall are you anyway. Go ahead — lie.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:02 amI want to thank Al Gore for his concerns, vision and leadership in bringing the global warming issue to my attention. I also want to thank the “An Inconvenient Truth” film makers for documenting his slide show for everyone to see. And, finally, I would like to thank the Motion Picture Academy members for this Oscar.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:03 amTerry – As I do not have a “site”, you have not seen it. But sweeeet of you to be concerned. Spoken just like a guy who wears a shell.
I believe in holes in the ozone and global warming – unlike Progs, I attribute much of the phenomenon to that “thing” you profess to love and revere – nature! Please tell me what exacerbated the last heating/cooling CYCLES.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:04 amWas that Dennis Miller sitting just in front the director? Got a short shot and it kinda looked like a bad hack.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:05 amMaybe he got in with a job as a seat filler when others are occupied ala kramer.
Michael is like the freshman kid in high school who still looks and acts like a 6th grader and who goes around trying to pick fights with all of the older kids for “acceptanceâ€
Hate to disagree, but by comparing my son’s kindergarten schoolyard and Michael’s debating style last week we found that the “Did so”, “Did too” style of debating that Michael uses was effectively trumped by the average US first-grader. 6th grade is being generous…
February 26th, 2007 at 12:06 am“I will make it simple. Jetties that I roved as a child are now awash. The seafront at high tide on the island where I live has advanced about 60 feet inshore in the last ten years and it is not from erosion. Polar bears are drowning in the Arctic. The North Pole is ice free during the summer for the first time in 60 centuries (according to ice bores taken in the last five years). The conifer line in the western United States has retreated about 1200 feet as invasive leafed trees have taken over. England is losing about 700 seaside homes a year to the advancing ocean. Some of these homes were built during the era of the Battle of Hastings(1066).
Comment by WaltTheMan — February 25, 2007 @ 11:37 pm”
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Polar bears drowning? Here comes that photo used by you idiots again. Climates change and they will continue to change but hey algore says we are causing it so I guess we better listen up to this idiot? You go ahead walt, waste your time. I’m a realist and no proof has been presented that there is global warming. 40 years ago you loony liberals were predicting the next ice age. We’re tired of your sky is falling rhetoric!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:06 am#90
LOL!!!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:06 amGerald, Did you take your Gingko Biloba tonite? In any event, thank you for the Mountain Moving Lesson. Now please just answer the question I posed to Terry – what could previous generations done to prevent the natural shifts in the climatic cycles of the earth?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:07 amHe has to lead by example? He already is. Don’t believe conservative smear jobs.
We already showed them to be false. Gore leads by example. Even if there are some faults there, if we did even a little, we’d do a lot into saving this precious world.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:08 am“NOT pay to clean our skies using a couple billion dollars while spending a half-trillion on a lie-filled war.
Its freaking sick.
Comment by jake3988 — February 25, 2007 @ 11:51 pm”
What lies?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:08 amHehe, what lies! You are pretty funny Mikey.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:09 amComment by hacker bob — February 25, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Like anybody can’t copy and paste photos from the internet. Nice try.
You don’t give a rip if fellow Marines get blown up. You don’t give a rip if fellow Marines are mistreated by the military’s own hospitals. If you are a Marine, it’s amazing you haven’t been fragged. All you care to do is support Bush and post smack about anyone else. It doesn’t matter how many Marines die, as long as Bush doesn’t get embarrassed, does it?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:10 amOnly the most “self-important†people believe they have the power to change the course of nature. Comment by valiant venus — February 25, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
So destroying much of the rain forest, producing global warming that’s now confirmed to be humans warming the planet is just fantasy? Nope 23 Anorexic bimbo, what’s fiction is you and the crap you post.
You might have forgotten – oil is organic….humans are natural. Lighten up…. Comment by valiant venus — February 25, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Uranium and Asbestos are also natural, I suggest you go suck on a big rock of both – ok, right wingnut? Cyanide is also organic, would you care to consume enough in your body, like you’re suggesting we do in the atmosphere with Oil?
You people have to be the biggest dum basses in the ocean!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:10 amI believe in holes in the ozone and global warming
Oops, science is not a matter of faith….bad luck there…if that was the case, we’d still be sticking flowers in our noses to ward off the pox (hope you stopped doing that) and setting fire to our grannies (that’s against the law in San Diego, MA)
Please tell me what exacerbated the last heating/cooling CYCLES.
http://www.ipcc.ch/
These people think they have it about 90% certain…..
February 26th, 2007 at 12:10 amWhat lies?
Comment by michael — February 26, 2007 @ 12:08 am
When referring to your posts – all of them. Easy answer.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:10 amWhat lies?
Comment by michael — February 26, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Wow. Just wow.
Ok, for the umpteenth time for you morons:
February 26th, 2007 at 12:11 am1) Saddam having a connection with 9-11
2) Saddam having a connection with Al-Qaeda
3) Saddam having WMDs
4) Saddam actually being a threat.
All lies. And it distracted from the real war in afganistan.
Now please just answer the question I posed to Terry – what could previous generations done to prevent the natural shifts in the climatic cycles of the earth?
Er nothing, since previous generations had next to no responsibility for the Little Ice Age etc etc.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:11 amI’m a realist and no proof has been presented that there is global warming. 40 years ago you loony liberals were predicting the next ice age. We’re tired of your sky is falling rhetoric! Comment by michael — February 26, 2007 @ 12:06 am
There’s a great lie. A toilet licker combat dodger thinks there’s no proof of this! BWAAHAHAHA, now that takes a dum bass to post this!
That’s the lie, princess. You should pull your head out of vince’s G-Spot and read something toilet licker!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:11 amPresident Gore’s glorious win lends even more credence to the calls from all quarters demanding that his film be used for mandatory instructional purposes in our nation’s schools:
February 26th, 2007 at 12:11 amWhy is it humans don’t want to change anything until it they are left with no choice? Do we have to be standing knee deep in the ocean before we say. “Gee maybe we better do something about that global warming.”
February 26th, 2007 at 12:12 amYou go ahead walt, waste your time. I’m a realist and no proof has been presented that there is global warming.
http://www.ipcc.ch
I’m a realist
Oh I peed my pants there…. sorry everyone
February 26th, 2007 at 12:13 amComment by michael — February 26, 2007 @ 12:06 am
You’re right, of course. But then, why is my Jewish neighbor down the street is building a big-a$$ boat?
/sarc
February 26th, 2007 at 12:13 amTerry, good to see you posting again!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
The feeling is mutual.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:14 amYou might have forgotten – oil is organic….humans are natural. Lighten up….
Comment by valiant venus
As Zoo, cleverly pointed out, besides oil, there are other harmful substances like plutonium, which human body is 100% intolerant to it. Read this.
Do we have to explain why extracting oil is so harmful everytime a new troll comes in?…and Im talking about Dale.
Walt, wonderful post. Please, keep writing.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:14 amTerry – As I do not have a “siteâ€, you have not seen it. But sweeeet of you to be concerned. Spoken just like a guy who wears a shell. Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Spoken like a girl that needs to eat a tic-tac! You really shouldn’t ask Ann Coulter for dieting advice – it’s made her insane. Oops it sounds too late for you 23 Anorexia girl!
I believe in holes in the ozone and global warming – unlike Progs, I attribute much of the phenomenon to that “thing†you profess to love and revere – nature! Please tell me what exacerbated the last heating/cooling CYCLES. Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:04 am
So you’re calling michael a liar hear that michael? The conservative Anorexic thinks you’re a liar.
Heating and cooling cycles are natural, but this one has been scientifically shown to be largely human induced. What you believe isn’t relevant – as it’s the blathering nonsense of an Anorexic commodities trader.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:14 amOh I peed my pants there…. sorry everyone
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Laughing so hard at that one, TtT…..
February 26th, 2007 at 12:16 amwow, when did conservative become a synonym for stupid
February 26th, 2007 at 12:17 amwas it on denial that tobacco smoke is bad
was it on denial of the danger of asbestos
was it on denial that PCB’s are danderous
what a great track record to prove conservative = stupid
Jason – Answer the question – WHAT caused previous ice Ages and melt Downs – - and what could humans possible have done to stop it – commit mass suicide??
February 26th, 2007 at 12:25 amTo bad W didn’t stay up to see Al win his Oscar but we know he was rooting for him to win. Funny isn’t it W stold the election that Al won, but God had a plan. Al wins the Oscar and is nominated for a Noble Peace Prize. Now what plan did God have for the liar in chief oh yes the Iraq mess and world chaos. This explains born again Satan that was is, God had nothing to do with Bush but he took care of Al. Now we see the power of God.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:25 amThere is nothing so maligned, so cast off, so shunned as the truth, yet it is the only the truth which remains when all other energies are expended.
Grats to Gore and the little people who pointed cameras at melting glaciers, and a sincere thanks for pointing out how screwed we are.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:25 amWhy is it humans don’t want to change anything until it they are left with no choice? Do we have to be standing knee deep in the ocean before we say. “Gee maybe we better do something about that global warming.â€
Comment by catseye — February 26, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Makes you wonder (to paraphrase Jared Diamond) just what the Easter Islander who cut down the last tree on the Island was thinking….
February 26th, 2007 at 12:26 amum, i’m sorry, but WHO went to see it? cuz last i heard the box office attendance was the lowest of the year.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:30 amface it, everyone feels sorry for him and you’re trying to make it up to him for losing the election
Jason – Answer the question – WHAT caused previous ice Ages and melt Downs – - and what could humans possible have done to stop it – commit mass suicide?? Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:25 am
The previous ice ages occurred on a natural scale, and it didn’t result in a flooding of fossilized CO2. Those are all scientific terms though, so an underweight Anorexic with facial and brain deformation can’t be expected to understand it.
As for the effects of previous Ice ages, one of them almost destroyed our ancestors. We were down to a few thousand ‘people’ in the world. It’s estimated cause, global warming. If you knew anything about anthropology you would have known that.
Dum bass.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:30 amOnly the most “self-important†people believe they have the power to change the course of nature. Comment by valiant venus — February 25, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
I believe in holes in the ozone and global warming – unlike Progs, I attribute much of the phenomenon to that “thing†you profess to love and revere – nature! – Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Well this will be educational or I’ll be down another pair of boxers and jeans in the laundry…. what caused the ozone hole MA?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:31 amWell this will be educational or I’ll be down another pair of boxers and jeans in the laundry…. what caused the ozone hole MA? Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 26, 2007 @ 12:31 am
All of the hot gas, spewed out of her Anorexic little *ss maybe?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:32 amJason – Answer the question – WHAT caused previous ice Ages and melt Downs – - and what could humans possible have done to stop it – commit mass suicide??
Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:25 am
We answered that one already http://www.ipcc.ch – natural climate variation within the patterns established by the ice core record, sunspots, volcanic activity – who’s Jason BTW? Are you ignoring the links we provide by choice? How dishonest of you.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:33 amwhat could previous generations done to prevent the natural shifts in the climatic cycles of the earth?
Comment by valiant venus
How would I know? And why should I care?
We are not talking abbout natural climatic cycles. We have no clue what the cycles are going to be like until they start happening… we do know that CO measured in the air is a good measure for what happens in the worlds tempatures. And the CO measurements are going off the charts… once again the unknown on the scale of something like this can lead to “an equal and opposite reaction” because that is how nature works… the blow back from this change we have made and are making is unnatural… and the alternative is that we simply use technology and act responsibly and cut off our addiction to oil. So there is no downside to doing the right thing.
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February 26th, 2007 at 12:34 amWell this will be educational or I’ll be down another pair of boxers and jeans in the laundry…. what caused the ozone hole MA?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Too funny, oh my god.
I hope she tells you, but I gotta go to bed. Heh.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:35 am#95 – michael,
February 26th, 2007 at 12:38 amI do not know what planet you live on, but mine, the Earth, is at risk. The problem is that you can not simply have a moving van come up to the door and relocate. There are others facing a delema and room and time is running out. There are nations that are about to be inundated by the sea. How do you suggest we move an entire people? I simply can not be that crass and still live with myself.
Volcanic eruptions, methane, etc. Couple those with leaded gasoline in the economically growing third world and – - voila! Trying to maintain current landmasses as they are is as fruitless as Italians trying to prevent Pompeii or Vesuveus. Some things are the way they are – but adopting a “need to be needed” attitude helps those who think they can thwart Nature.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:39 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — February 26, 2007 @ 12:10 am
I hope your sorry ass is still around .
You can not even begin to tell me what I believe or what I care about. You do not drive by the Wounded Warriors barracks EVERYDAY. You did not have to walk by a STTP every day and see wounded kids, and Iraqis. You have not been part of a walking blood bank. Of been woke up at 0200 because you sleep 25 yards from a dust-off pad and three birds are coming in. You have been to one funeral, and I commend you for what you did. Wait until you have to attend 5 for good friends of yours. And countless others for people you don
t know or just kinda’ know. Wait until you jump every time there is a loud bang (like a balloon popping). Half the time I can not sleep in bed with my wife because the dreams I have make me shake in my sleep. Go through a little of that and then you will understand what anger is.
If this war is so illegal WHY HAVE THOSE COWARDS IN CONGRESS NOT DONE SOMETHING TO STOP IT. Because to them, to Bush, and to YOU we are just a number, a statistic, a pawn for political purpose.
The best thing I can do is to train my Marines to stay alive when they have to go into that hell, and help them
get the help they need once they get home.
I am sick and tired of people like you, or like to “pro war” croud telling me what I should feel.
Don’t even START to tell me what I care about. YOU DO NOT RATE.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:41 amOMFG I just watched the clip….look…it’s like he’s the president. he won!!!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:42 amguggenheim looked like he was going to cry.
omg, you guys are too funny.
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February 26th, 2007 at 12:42 amWell done Al Gore on the award and a very good acceptance speach
February 26th, 2007 at 12:42 amIs it any surprise that the incurious michael, already in thrall to Bush, is a global warming denier? Dumbass.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:43 am#128 – valiant venus,
February 26th, 2007 at 12:44 amThere is a slight difference between natural and man-made assaults on our environment – one can be prevented.
Bob – Thank YOU!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:47 amVolcanic eruptions, methane, etc. Couple those with leaded gasoline in the economically growing third world and – - voila! Trying to maintain current landmasses as they are is as fruitless as Italians trying to prevent Pompeii or Vesuveus. Some things are the way they are – but adopting a “need to be needed†attitude helps those who think they can thwart Nature.
Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Hmm, looks like you agree with the premise that Al Gore made a documentary about – human use of fossil fuel is changing the environment..
I guess that invalidates your earlier claim that Only the most “self-important†people believe they have the power to change the course of nature I confess I’m having a hard time staying with you though: you change you position more than Chimpy changes the reason he invaded Iraq…
voila! – That’s French and the French opposed you invading Iraq – why do you hate Amerika by speaking French, MA?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:48 amWalt – Do you think we can PREVENT the next cycle of Global Warming?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:48 amBob – Thank YOU!
Comment by valiant venus
Yeah, he did that for you, you ignorant twat.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:50 amComment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:47 am
You are welcome! It is MY honor.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:53 amMichael I guess your debating skills include sounding like a whiney adolescent whose class clownery is an embarassment to everyone but yourself.
Progressives can’t help being more intelligent, good natured, humorous, critical thinkers, objective, charming, healthy, and concerned than their right wing counterparts. These qualities are what make us progressive. I’m sorry you feel threatened by that.
Reading your rants has a positive aspect to it. It makes me glad I’m not you. It’s quite a spectacle reading your mimicry of the right wing pundits and the looney christian cultists with their convoluted logic often bordering on the insane. You should take a step back toward Earth and humanity.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:55 amMan, there’s nothing quite like Al Gore winning an Oscar to make right-wingers go completely insane with rage.
The Oscar was deserved–An Inconvenient Truth is one of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen. I’d rank it a notch below Hoop Dreams and Grizzly Man.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:56 amTerry – The politics of global warming is about POWER – nothing more – nothing less. The Left has decided the best way to be able to tell people how to live their lives in a politically correct fashion is to develop a a global angst – putting Western Civilization in the crosshairs. Knowing how your type admires the sensitivity and sophistication of the French, I thought I would show my multi-lingual side…
Buenos noches….
February 26th, 2007 at 12:59 am#136 – valiant venus,
February 26th, 2007 at 1:03 amIf you mean the current one, not with today’s technology. There is a big prize out there for anyone who can develop the technology to suck the CO2 from the atmosphere, but I can not think of a positive approach. The problem is that the concentrations are too low to allow an easy extraction method. The effects are logarithmic, however. We have to worry about the current cycle which will affect our children and generations after them.
That’s alll folks!
February 26th, 2007 at 1:04 amThe Left has decided the best way to be able to tell people how to live their lives in a politically correct fashion is to develop a a global angst – putting Western Civilization in the crosshairs.
Hmm sounds like how the Right has decided that there is something under your bed – first a Commie, now a turban-headed Terrorist… you know it’s only a dust bunny under there, don’t you?
Knowing how your type admires the sensitivity and sophistication of the French, I thought I would show my multi-lingual side…
My type? Wonder what that means? The French have proved themselves among the least ‘politically correct’ peoples on earth. The French are fiercely secular and don’t give a crap where you are from as long as you adopt the culture and speak the langauge when you show up. By blowing up ‘Rainbow Warrior’ they really hung their PC colors from their mast, eh? Do you think before you type? Ah don’t bother, I need to pee again, I’m not coming back.
Oh and ‘Buenos noches….’ – how’s that Mexican version of ‘Manifest Destiny’ working out for you? You are obviously trying to adapt to that – good for you..
February 26th, 2007 at 1:08 amGore looked very presidential at the Academy Awards show. Bush is an absolutely disgusting dunce who needs to go into exile in Paraguay soon.
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February 26th, 2007 at 1:15 amComment by hacker bob — February 26, 2007 @ 12:41 am
That’s the kind of post you need to be writing more often. When you get angry enough, you toss off your facade of support for everything Bush.
You might want to ask yourself, why does one who follows the path of a shaman see you in black?
Why does one who follows a path of peace seek to make you angry?
I care about you more than you can understand right now, bob. Perhaps someday you will understand. I have seen behind your mask, and can feel the despair that haunts you. Your greatest battle is the one within. I can help you, if you will let me. Ask Zooey. She understands.
You know how to reach me.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:20 amTerry – The politics of global warming is about POWER – nothing more – nothing less. Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:59 am
For right wingnut business interests – that’s true. For humanity, it’s about survival. But we all know that sickos like you don’t give a dam about anything but your Anorexic self hating selves.
The Left has decided the best way to be able to tell people how to live their lives in a politically correct fashion is to develop a a global angst – putting Western Civilization in the crosshairs. Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Liberal society is western civilization. You represent Occidental and Authoritarian right wingnut values. It’s you trying to destroy western civilization.
Knowing how your type admires the sensitivity and sophistication of the French, I thought I would show my multi-lingual side… Buenos noches…. Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:59 am
You mean a country that’s been a democracy almost as long as ours? A country that’s been at the heart of western civilization? Funny, all of the interests you seem to fight for are centered in the middle – east, especially the ‘oil’ interests. Dum bass.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:25 amDo you think we can PREVENT the next cycle of Global Warming?
Comment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 12:48 am
Some are saying it is already too late. With the release of methane from the permafrost regions of the northern latitudes, this cycle is self-sustaining. The best we can hope for is to mitigate its effects.
Nature has a way of balancing things. If human activity upsets the balance, then conditions change, reducing the numbers of humans. This planet is essentially a closed system. When things get out of balance, something has to give.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:25 am#140: …global warming is about POWER – nothing more – nothing less. The Left has decided the best way to be able to tell people how to live their lives in a politically correct fashion is to develop a a global angst – putting Western Civilization in the crosshairs.
Huh. That’s interesting. And all this time I thought that global warming was about science.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:27 amhacker bob, perhap’s it is you who need’s a change….From your post directed to BnF the rage is evident..May I suggest, directed at the wrong people perhap’s…You don’t know what all of us have been through either and you don’t have a true sence of who is fighting for who..Most here have been for our military all our lives and we have worked in saving their lives…..Given your rage you are not healthy..BTW you know nothing of other’s and least of all a Shaman….Suggestion 1 leave the site..2 leave the service , get help and surround your life with family and loved one’s….Untill you seem well, I will send good Blessings
February 26th, 2007 at 1:28 amThis planet is essentially a closed system. When things get out of balance, something has to give.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Worse yet. You changed the reference state, the environment and organisms adapt, others die and others are produced. That means new deseases.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:37 amSharon,
I have, and I am receiving help. Mainly from family. And I am healthier than you realize because of the help I have received. I do not like to be told what I should feel by someone that knows not my experience, and I do not like to be called a liar. Pretty simple.
I do not ask one, such as BnF, for his credentials. I take him at his word. I expect the same in return.
As for the rage. That is a response to several posts in the past few days where BnF was trying to provoke such an outburst. He got what he wanted.
Blessings to you
February 26th, 2007 at 1:42 amhacker bob, and so with out you even realizing it the Shaman’s work was started and will continue…Altho no one like’s to be told thing’s unfamilier or against what they have previously thought, witch’s and especialy Shaman’s have unfamalier way’s of bringing light to darkness……When the student is ready the teacher will appear…..Rage and anger are fear based, we all have them but when you can change the fear based thinking (rage,hate) to love based thinking no hate or fear like changing the temperature on a water tap your health may improve…..End of sermon…Blessings……PS….BnF has probably seen and felt every pain that has been yours and is now showing you in your frame of thought how to get rid of it..Just a thought of my own.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:57 amHe got what he wanted.
Comment by hacker bob — February 26, 2007 @ 1:42 am
It is what you needed.
“Half the time I can not sleep in bed with my wife because the dreams I have make me shake in my sleep.” You are not as healthy as you would like Sharon to believe.
And, if you re-read my posts above, I was not telling you what you should feel, but holding up a mirror to how you come across; as one who supports Bush and dismisses all others. The first post on this thread is a prime example. It is as if you are taking your anger at Bush out against eveyone except Bush. Part of you hates what you have become. And part of you is lost on an angry black sea.
You don’t like being called a liar, because you must lie to yourself every waking moment.
Get help, bob. And not just from your family. They are not trained, nor equiped to deal with all that you have become.
Pacem vobis.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:59 am#129: If this war is so illegal WHY HAVE THOSE COWARDS IN CONGRESS NOT DONE SOMETHING TO STOP IT. Because to them, to Bush, and to YOU we are just a number, a statistic, a pawn for political purpose.
I don’t know if you’re talking to everybody on this site, but I can assure you that neither you nor any other member of the military is “just a number” to me. And I suspect there are a lot of other people here who feel the same way. I’ll speak for myself and say I’m doing everything I can to help my Congressmen find some backbone on Iraq.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:01 amI wonder how many of the trolls on this thread who are ragging on Gore or who are denying the premise of human contribution to the global climate crisis have actually watched An Incovenient Truth? How many of those trolls who have actually seen the documentary have checked the peer-reviewed documentation behind it? Not many, I’m guessing.
Have a nice sleep under the bridge all you misinformed trolls! Nite, nite!
February 26th, 2007 at 2:06 amBlessings …Bnf, I know and I have seen….So glad you are back on site…..May all our dream’s be good and come true…Peace
February 26th, 2007 at 2:09 amThe help I receive is not just from my family. My family is my greatest source of strength. Also not from clergyman or mystics. It is from people trained for such things.
As for my first post, there was no projection of my feeling s about Bush involved. I have been anti-Gore for at least 20 years. Since the whole PMRC thing. And yes, I agree with his message, but I do not trust the messenger.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:17 amI have been anti-Gore for at least 20 years. Since the whole PMRC thing. And yes, I agree with his message, but I do not trust the messenger. Comment by hacker bob — February 26, 2007 @ 2:17 am
You blame Gore, for the work of his wife to protect children from excessive violence? What, are you a ‘beating’ parent? Beaten as a child? What in the hell is wrong with you?
As for you seeking help from professionals, consider upgrading who you’re using. It isn’t working.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:23 amGore/Obama ‘08
February 26th, 2007 at 2:29 amGore/Obama 08
Congratulations Mr. Gore!
February 26th, 2007 at 2:58 am#157: I have been anti-Gore for at least 20 years. Since the whole PMRC thing.
I don’t blame Al Gore for his wife’s admittedly misguided ideas.
And yes, I agree with his message, but I do not trust the messenger.
Frankly, I don’t see what’s not to trust about Gore. The whole narrative about Gore being a liar that marred the 2000 campaign was a story concocted by the right-wing media and repeated by the mainstream media.
But perhaps more to the point: we have a serious problem facing us right now, and that problem is global climate change. I think it’s great that Gore has made an effort to educate people on the issue, and I wish more people (politicians, celebrities, and regular folks) would do the same. I’m having trouble following your logic–you’re angry with Gore because he’s not pure enough to be the ideal spokesman on global warming? OK–so, who’s your ideal spokesman? And why isn’t he/she going public?
February 26th, 2007 at 3:01 amPoor widdle trolls, id President Gore hurt your widdle feelings? And did Melissa Etheridge steall the award from your precious Beyonce?
Well, in that case, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA.
I saw the movie on DVD and it was so damned informative and visually mesmerizing. You trolls who keep bashing this movie, us and the Oscars have yet to come out of your reality which comprises of listing to KKK loving pundits, listening to Toby Keith, watching reality TV and praising your new Jesus Christ, a dope named Bush.
BEGONE TROLLS!
Let us, the voices of America, enjoy this moment and the Oscar’s long overdue respect for Mr. Scorsese.
Meanwhile the voices of facism can try to put Michael Bay and Chuck Norris in the Oscar categories next year. No wait, there is a place for them: THE RAZZIES!
February 26th, 2007 at 3:28 amBEGONE TROLLS!
Comment by JIMBO
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:42 amThank heavens for the Internets, where sore GOP losers and other * enablers can go to troll websites of those who are smarter than they are.
The tide has turned, boys and girls…how does it feel?
February 26th, 2007 at 3:59 amFront Page Korean papers…
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February 26th, 2007 at 4:05 amAl Gore is the man who should be running America
Lets renew It ?
February 26th, 2007 at 5:34 amAnd remember this Planet is on loan from our children
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February 26th, 2007 at 6:02 amRemember that next time Bush talks of starting a war, this time with Iran, you memoryless monster. Go get yourself a brain that works and stop messing up the feable brains of your fellow-American(’t)s with your bull.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:36 amwhy even comment
February 26th, 2007 at 6:38 am#1. We don’t (!) have everything we need to start tackling global warming. We don’t have the political will, we don’t have the will of the people and we definately don’t have corporations willing to change their psychopathical behaviour.
#2. All (!) we need to stop the climate crisis: the wisdom, the will and the guts to say “we have everything we need”. We don’t need cars, xbox’s, private planes, speedboats, diamonds and other blingbling. Stop living like Americans and start thinking like sensible beings.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:47 am[...] “We have everything we need to get started with the possible exception of the will to act. That’s a renewable resource. Let’s renew it.” Words from Al Gore after his documentary, An Incovenient Truth, won the Oscar for Best Documentary. [...]
February 26th, 2007 at 8:03 amYou blame Gore, for the work of his wife to protect children from excessive violence?
He and Tipper were trying to protect children from lyrics in music. Remember the time waisted in the Senate hearings? Show me the conclusive link between musical lyrics and violence. Thank God for people like Dee Snyder and Frank Zappa.
What, are you a ‘beating’ parent?
Nope.
Beaten as a child?
Nope
What in the hell is wrong with you?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — February 26, 2007 @ 2:23 am
I am against censorship. I am FOR freedom of speech. Yes, that does apply to music and television as well.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:24 amOK–so, who’s your ideal spokesman? And why isn’t he/she going public?
Comment by Luke — February 26, 2007 @ 3:01 am
Ed Begley Jr. He has been living the eco-friendly life for years before it became fashionable. And he has been VERY public about it.
“This isn’t just a publicity stunt or an effort to be hip. Begley’s been driving an electric car since 1970. He recharges the current one, a Toyota RAV4, with the solar panels that provide all the electricity for his modest, two-bedroom home in sunny Studio City, Calif. He grows his own veggies and cooks them in a solar oven. He even powers his toaster with a stationary bike.”
February 26th, 2007 at 8:31 amComment by Jericho — February 26, 2007 @ 6:36 am
I have never said that I support a war with Iran.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:32 amWhat you atribute it to, and what science determines it to be actually caused by are totally different things. The delinquency of our youth was “attributed” by the religious right to games like Dungeons and Dragons 25 years ago, but that didn’t change the fact that that was a ridiculous, unfounded idea. In the end, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks on either side of the aisle. It only matters what’s true. It’s science versus the oil companies pocketbooks. You’ll excuse me if I take the science more seriously, won’t you?
February 26th, 2007 at 8:48 amnot from clergyman or mystics. It is from people trained for such things.
Comment by hacker bob — February 26, 2007 @ 2:17 am
The healing art of Shamanism predates the “training” of psychiatry and psychology by thousands of years. You might want to research it for yourself, before you dismiss it with another off-hand comment.
But for now, your suffering is of your own choice. There is yet something you are to learn from it.
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February 26th, 2007 at 8:53 amhis stupid stuff qualifies for best comedy of the century.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:57 amAl Gore made 100 million dollars with his Google stock.
Murkans are the biggest suckers on the dying planet.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:03 amI absolutely LOVE all the pent up frustrations and jealousy from the Righties toward Gore.
Anything to make you all self-destruct is pure comedy to us.
Keep it up.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:06 am… It only matters what’s true. It’s science versus the oil companies pocketbooks. You’ll excuse me if I take the science more seriously, won’t you?
Comment by O.L.
If this were truly science there wouldn’t be a consensus. To be called science, it would have to stand up under the scientific method. Your Global Warming falls down on the third step. You’re operating on the premise that the hypothesis must be true—so it is true. I hate to break it to you, but you are more aligned with religious zealots than you are with science.
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February 26th, 2007 at 9:39 am“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”
February 26th, 2007 at 9:40 am____________________
Nikola Tesla,
You shouldn’t post what you don’t know as gospel. Firstly, science is largely made up of hypothesis and theory. Very little can be proven beyond any shred of doubt, and when it can be it is called “laws” instead of “theory. (i.e. the Laws of Physics. Science operates all the time on the assumption that, if there is overwhelming evidence to support a theory, then that theory is likely true unless something disproves it. Again, I’m much more comfortable taking a consensus by the world’s leading scientists seriously than the unsupported, baseless beliefs of some uninformed souls who simply can’t get their mind around the idea of climate change, or the pocketbooks of the big corporations. Heaven forbid we do anything that isn’t for money, right? And, let’s just assume for a minute that global warming is a hoax, a laughable claim, but let’s just pretend…heaven forbid we give our kids a chance to breathe clean air, right? Because, awww, poor you, you can’t drive your gas guzzlin’ SUV.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:44 amWhen was the last time a right-wing slanted movie won an award?
I’ll tell you – never.
Wonder why?
It’s because the corporations can control the message by owning 90% of everything we hear, read and see through their ownership of TV networks, newspapers, magazines, and radio. But when it comes to Hollywood, with it being more independent and not being under their control they actually can get more of the truth out and are more closely aligned with the people’s feelings.
It’s ludicrous for anyone to think that mankind has not contributed to climate change. Unless you’ve been living in a mall all your life you’d have to notice the changes in the environment. Working on ways to curb this destruction, even if you don’t think it’s happening, is a situation where it would be better to do something than nothing.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:48 am*sarcasm on* Yup! Because it was mathematical equations that melted all that ice. *sarcasm off*
February 26th, 2007 at 9:49 amComment by O.L. — February 26, 2007 @ 9:49 am
February 26th, 2007 at 9:53 amComment by O.L. — February 26, 2007 @ 9:49 am
“Exact science, isn’t.”
February 26th, 2007 at 9:55 am________________
Nikola Tesla
“You know how to reach me.” Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 26, 2007 @ 1:20 am
Bob – Waaaay back when, BnF cordially invited me to correspond with him/her – I respectfully declined the offer, as I guard my privacy. Bam! (That was the sound of the Rune bag dropping after she got really nasty!)
February 26th, 2007 at 10:08 amWhat would be the motive for phony warnings on climate change?
I’m at a loss to understand the trolls comments about all the warnings, which has abundant scientific evidence to back it up, about mankind’s contribution to climate change. What would be the purpose of bringing up this warning if it didn’t exist? What would be the motive? Is there something wrong wanting clear air, water and a future? Or are all you trolls simply here to spew your hate against anything that isn’t in your “talking points” memos?
It’s like Gore said, this is not a Democratic issue, or a Republican issue, it’s about all mankind. We all breathe the same air, drink the same water, this is not a partisan issue – it’s about the survival of all mankind. What’s so wrong about that?
Or are all you trolls waiting for the “rapture” and praying for Armageddon?
February 26th, 2007 at 10:09 amAgain, I’m much more comfortable taking a consensus by the world’s leading scientists seriously than the unsupported, baseless beliefs of some uninformed souls who simply can’t get their mind around the idea of climate change, or the pocketbooks of the big corporations. Heaven forbid we do anything that isn’t for money, right? And, let’s just assume for a minute that global warming is a hoax, a laughable claim, but let’s just pretend…heaven forbid we give our kids a chance to breathe clean air, right? Because, awww, poor you, you can’t drive your gas guzzlin’ SUV.
Comment by O.L.
What was it you opened your response with? “You shouldn’t post what you don’t know as gospel.” Then you went ahead and posted nothing but pure speculation. If I were to do that I would be up to my arm pits in lefties calling me hypocrit. For the record I don’t own an SUV. Keep talking though, it’s entertaining to watch religious fanatics preach their false gospel. Your religion is environmentalism and your god is the earth. You are every bit as zealous for your beliefs as the religious, and every bit as intolerant of those who disagree with you as they are.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:10 amComment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 10:08 am
I have not decided whether or not to accept his offer. I know he means nothing ill for me in his offer.
That, I will maintain as a situation between BnF and I.
Thank you though.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:12 amPure speculation would have to have nothing to support it.
Oh, is there science to support your claims?
I thought it was pretty clear that comment was using the general “you”, but I guess that was lost on you…as in “you” specificly. :)
Last time I checked, religious fanaticism wasn’t backed up by the majority of the world’s scientific community. I’m glad I can entertain you though. Instead of spewing back what you hear from the rightwing propagandists, why don’t you try to supply some facts that support your beliefs. It’s sad that you put your conservatism above reality.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:32 am#183: Ed Begley Jr. He has been living the eco-friendly life for years before it became fashionable. And he has been VERY public about it.
Great. I’m all for it. And if Ed Begley Jr. makes a documentary, I’ll go see it. Nothing about Begley Jr.’s lifestyle, however, makes me respect Al Gore less.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:38 amComment by Luke — February 26, 2007 @ 10:38 am
The point is that Begley is “walking the walk” as well as “talking the talk”. Begley deserves much more respect, in my opinion.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:53 am… Instead of spewing back what you hear from the rightwing propagandists, why don’t you try to supply some facts that support your beliefs. It’s sad that you put your conservatism above reality.
Comment by O.L.
No one is disputing that there is a climate shift. The dispute is whether it is man-caused or not. The fact that you mentioned SUV’s in the comment I addressed, led me to believe that you believe global warming is man-caused. That aspect of global warming has not been proven scientifically. However, there are other contributors that are observable and measurable—volcanic activity that is heating the ocean floors and solar activity for example. As a rule I don’t make a habit of supplying facts to you guys because your minds are already made up. When your theories are refuted by hard fact, you are unable to process the true from the untrue because your feelings tell you otherwise—rage trumps logic so to speak.
February 26th, 2007 at 11:07 amAs a rule I don’t make a habit of supplying facts to you guys
Comment by 20wordsorless
Which is why you’re so often and easily ignored…
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February 26th, 2007 at 11:13 amThe only ones disputing whether or not global warming is caused by man are the measly percentage of scientists paid by oil corporations and the like and every single right wing pundit/propagandist who know absolutely nothing about science and made this a winning issue for liberals and are trying to knock the wind out of it.
I don’t know about you, but I’d agree with a majority of experts rather than a few profiteers and gasbags. Who do you think is more trustworthy? The vast majority, almost unanimous, scientists who do experimentation and research and come to these conclusions using the most objective means possible, or few profiteering scientists and a bunch of gasbags on fox who are paid to attack these findings?
February 26th, 2007 at 11:14 amFor all you liberals, how many celebrities (Al Gore included) would you estimate jumped in their private jets the next day so they could return to their movie sets or better yet campaign against “Global Warming”.
I am all about protecting the environment, but those of you who rely on Hollywood for your political education, need to wake up. It’s a bunch of hypocrites leveraging their fame and mass media (The Oscars which is totally unrelated) in order to get your vote.
It would be like the Conservative Party voicing their views on Gay Marriage at the superbowl. Oh, but wait, we wouldn’t do that because we have class and believe in morals.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:11 pmNot now that that argument doesn’t work anymore, anyway.
Oh, but you see, the only one disputing science is you. Did you hear me or anyone else in this topic suggest that volcanic or solar activity does not contribute to it? No. It is you, and those like you, who dispute the science that shows man is another contributor. It would interfere with your way of life, so it is your feelings that are trumping science, not ours. Mankind is exasurbating the problem. You’d think after the tobacco industry tried to sell the idea that smoking didn’t cause cancer, despite all the scientific evidence, y’all would’ve learned…but I guess not. And, if those of us who care about taking care of the planet for future generations aren’t worth showing facts to, why do you bother posting here at all? The truth is, you have no facts. The majority of the scientific community has reached a consensus that mankind is a huge factor in global warming, and there is no one but uninformed talkshow hosts and big oil companies that are saying otherwise. You dodge having to argue your case by offering up things like the solar/volcanic contributors, when in fact no one here is denying that science. The only people denying science, are those too weak to do something about the problem, or too ignorant to.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:16 pm*sarcasm on* Yup! Because it was mathematical equations that melted all that ice. *sarcasm off*
Comment by O.L. — February 26, 2007 @ 9:49 am
If you confound yourself too much with theories, You lose site of relevant facts.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:29 pm#211
Thanks for proving my point—you are unable to process the true from the untrue because your feelings tell you otherwise—rage trumps logic so to speak.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:31 pmFunny, isn’t it, that those on either side of the who yell loudest, “Back up what you on the (left/right) say with The Facts,” consistently provide the least backing for what they themselves have to say? Let me suggest one simple assignment to everyone who claims to care about “The Truth about Global Warming,” whatever that is. Take the time to READ what the IPCC’s latest “Summary for Policymakers” actually has to say on the subject–and note carefully what (although you’d never know it from the blather spewing from media outlets, politicians, and activists) it does not say. And then (here’s the big task), take time to look over the full report scheduled to be released in May. I make this simple prediction: As with past reports from the IPCC, so too this time, much of what the Summary presents in unambiguous, black and white language will not be supported by the full report. I expect that the differences will be telling. Now, how many of you who “truly care” about getting at “The Truth” will accept my suggestion?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:35 pmI am not going to bother reading what you loons posted. But I will say this is expected. After all Mike Moore won a few years ago for his pack of lies also. The Liberal Hollywood Elite patting themselves on the back for having not sense of morality or reality.
Documentary – ROTFL
February 26th, 2007 at 12:38 pmOh well. And for a moment I thought it would be possible to have a meaningful discussion with you. I’m using scientific data, you’re using emotions…so what is that you’re saying again? :) You have no science to support your assertions, only emotional responses and baseless accusations. If you want to show scientific data that specificly shows that man has no role whatsoever in global warming, which is supported by the majority of scientists, then we can have a proper discussion. As such does not exist, I won’t hold my breath.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:44 pmTo Happy Guy:
February 26th, 2007 at 12:46 pmSome of us who have little regard for what “The Liberal Hollywood Elite” has to say don’t necessarily think harshly dismissive statements like yours serve in any way to encourage open, honest inquiry and dialog. We might prefer that you keep your Happy little voice in check. Just a suggestion.
#210 Kelly, …”We have class and morels”……That is the funniest thing I have heard from the reich wingers of late…..ROTFLMAO…Yep! I’m LOL on that one, where ya been Kelly in one of the reich wing’s closet’s with Foley and several other’s?…Been in a bunker with masters of evil and death bush/ cheney/ rummy while they have been killing hundred’s of thousands of our’s and their’s.?…Oh! maybe you were out buying shoes with dead eyed rice or praising brownies poor performance right after a 5 day wait for cake eating chimp in charge to even show the f*** up. 1500 died in N.O…3,000 WTC Nearly 660,000 died in Iraq counting our troop’s…By design or neglect there is no class or morals in the reich winged administration or the 28% that march lock step….No fixing stupid….Death and distruction are a sad perminent legacy of this mad man…No class, no cowboy, no ranch, just a fool and failure…
February 26th, 2007 at 12:50 pmThe offer will always remain open.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI hope the conservatives who are so quick to dismiss global warming also pass over/ignore/never teach the part of the Bible that has do with Noah and the Ark.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:16 pmComment by likethat — February 26, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
So, are you implying that God created global warming as he did the great flood?
Remember, God said he would not let the flood happen again, next time is is supposed to be fire.
No, I am not disputing global warming, just carrying your arguement full circle.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:33 pm218…â€We have class and morelsâ€â€¦â€¦I guess it’s hard to have MORALS if you can’t even spell it.
Have you made a comparison as to how many soldiers were lost in previous wars vs. the war in Iraq? If so, then you would know that the number don’t even come close. I won’t disagree that war is tragic, but if it weren’t for these WARS that our country has fought in the past, you wouldn’t have the freedom you have today, would you?
What’s so unfortunate is that all these terrible wars have/are being fought in order to protect your safety and freedome so that you can sit on your computer and call our President “a fool and a failure”. Try going to the middle east and calling on of their leaders a fool or a failure. Unless you have a death wish, probably not such a good idea.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI posted this on another topic here, but it seems it might apply more to this thread…
I love how naysayers on global warming deny it. Think about this, what happens when someone runs his or her car in a closed garage? The world, like a small room, only has some much capacity for pollution. When humanity cuts down the very things that recycle CO emissions by unregulated and scrupulous logging and suburban sprawl, coupled with excessive pollution from automobiles and energy consumption, it is only logical for an imbalance of nature. When [not if] the ice caps melt, the oceanic belt WILL change due to swift alteration in oceanic salinity. Fresh, newly melted water will mix with warmer, denser salt water causing the colder fresh water to push the denser water down, reversing global temperatures between the equator and poles, as well as a rise in sea level (which is imminent now). Our rape of natural resources and disrepect for this planet, the very thing we all live off of and rely on for life, will be our downfall. Period.
The sad reality is, humans are living longer and healthier lives, with lower death rates and increased reproduction. Religion and other beliefs are blocking the general public from realizing WE’RE JUST ANIMALS, and as with any other species, we can and will reproduce for survival. Ironically, our survival instinct to reproduce is exactly what is killing us, coupled with our lack of environmental awareness.
In the end, who cares about the economy, the newest car or gadget, civil rights or even a war when THERE IS NO PLANET TO LIVE ON FOR THESE THINGS TO OCCUR? All the deniers beware; I would rather err on the side of caution than take such a huge risk. Keep in mind, this planet can purge humanity at any time, we’re just a blip on it’s radar. In the end, denial will be a glacier floating in your backyards.
PEACE.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:39 pmlong-gone:
Already have. Have you taken into account the accusations of corruption within the IPCC? Are you aware that this one organization is not the final word (or legitimate word) on global warming issues? Are you also aware that hundreds of independent scientists and researchers (and by independent I mean individuals who are experts in the field who do not receive funding from groups with agenda’s) have recently concluded with their own independent research reports that global warming IS occurring and the devastating effects ARE inevitable?
Examining the IPCC further will demonstrate a recent change. The IPCC has quietly changed its definition of its projected temperature rises to include all pre-industrial warming, not just warming from 1990 onwards. Our best information has it that the IPCC calculates that 0.8 degrees centigrade has already occured.
Subtracting that 0.8 from the projected temperature rises in the Fourth Assessment Report gives us a projected temperature rise this century of just 1.2 to 3.7 degrees centigrade. It also lowers the “best guess” for temperature rise to 2.2 degrees centigrade. This compares to the Third Assessment Report range of 1.4 to 5.8 degrees for 1990 to 2100. Yes, the IPCC has actually lowered even the lower band of its projections, despite all the hype that it has raised it upwards.
Interestingly, prominent “skeptic” Pat Michaels has been saying for years that the way the models behave coupled with real world data suggests a best guess of 1.7 degrees temperature rise this century. Pat’s projection is now clearly towards the middle of the consensus. In other words, the IPCC has moved towards the skeptical position, so much so that the IPCC’s lower bound for temperature rise is now half a degree less than prominent skeptics have been saying, while the skeptics’ best guess is half a degree less than the consensus best guess. This is chump change compared with previous disparities.
No wonder the alarmists are in a tizzy.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHave you made a comparison as to how many soldiers were lost in previous wars vs. the war in Iraq?
Comment by Kelly — February 26, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
I have made the calculation, and you won’t like it.
I normalized the data for the time spent in combat and compared WW2 to Iraq.
WW2: 23,000,000 combat-man-years, 292,131 KIA, 671,278 WIA, 4.22 casulaties per combat-man-year.
Iraq: 540,000 combat-man-years, 3,087 KIA, 22,401 WIA, 4.72 casulaties per combat-man-year.
This tells me two things:
1) Iraq is 12% bloodier for Americans than WW2, and
2) WIA in Iraq is about 3x better than WIA in WW2.
My sources are WW2 Almanac and globalsecurity-dot-org.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:22 pmSkimming through all these posts, it’s astounding to me that Al Gore brings out so much bile and hate among the conservatives. Maybe it’s the knowledge that Gore actually should have been president and their leader was installed through judicial coup. Maybe they’re feeling a little guilty.
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February 26th, 2007 at 2:33 pmReply to Cory:
February 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pmPlease recognize that I am only speaking my mind; I claim no authority for my statements, and have no power to make policy.
You said: “Already have.”
I take that to mean you’ve read the Summary, since the full report hasn’t yet been released.
You said: “Are you aware that this one organization is not the final word (or legitimate word) on global warming issues?”
Your question suggests to me that you think there IS such an organization or word. I don’t; no one has a corner on this topic, but I think few of us have attended closely enough to the few factual findings credentialed climatologists have put forward.
You wrote: “Are you also aware that hundreds of independent scientists and researchers…have recently concluded with their own independent research reports that global warming IS occurring and the devastating effects ARE inevitable?”
So many pieces there. First, I know not to whom and to which reports you refer. I might ask how many of these are recognized, respected climate science experts and how many have other specialties. Second, “concluded” in real science is always an ad interim state; all conclusions remain subject to further challenge or confirmation by one’s peers. Third, there is widespread agreement that earth is in a warming phase or cycle, and that this can in some measure be attributed to human activity. Beyond that there remain large areas of disagreement about the extent and duration of this cycle, to what extent it may be narrowed to localized land surface warming, the cause-and-effect linkages, the nature and extent of the anthropogenic effect, and exactly which direction the warming trend will take the system as a whole (e.g., will melting ice so desalinate high-latitude ocean waters as to trigger a cooling cycle, or will increased Antarctic snowfall result, offsetting ice loss and rising ocean levels). As for the Precautionary Principle (”Act now–better safe than sorry”), I have too much respect for the Law of Unintended Consequences to think that anybody already knows how to rein in this problem. And I, for one, am not in a hurry to see anyone make policy based on such precaution.
I really wish Vice President Gore would run for president again. only this time when he is doing a photo-op chopping wood he should not wear penny loafers like he did before. He was on his farm here in tennessee when that happened and I am convinced that cost him the state and, of course, the election.
Vice President Gore is a decent family man and has the intelligence and vision a leader needs to move forward in this complex world arena. President Bush is a great example to show when people say you just need smart people around you to make good choices. He has made poor choices because he has a poor understanding of the world around him.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:56 pm“Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone†—- Someone Famous
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — February 25, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
It was Jesus who said the above.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:05 pmlong-gone:
I don’t even know where to begin. Really. First, the idea that the earth is in a “naturally warming state” has been dismissed by many credible authorities in the field (and no, I’m not going to list all of them by name, that’s preposterous and a fool’s argument to have me list something you know is true, it just deflects from the facts and topic). Naturally occurring anything does not occur in such a short time frame. Not that historical changes in the earth’s climate have occurred over long periods of time, for example 1,000-10,000 years, NOT in less than a century or even a decade as the 1990’s have shown (the hottest decade in history: “Mean annual temperatures for three of the past eight years (1990, 1995 and 1997) are warmer than any other year since at least 1400,” said Michael Mann, who led the research, which is published today in the journal Nature. Commenting on the work, Philip Jones, at the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, said: “The data shows that the most dramatic change in temperature has come in the 20th century: it’s higher than in the past six centuries.”).
My reference to “already have” was referring to previous reports by the IPCC and how those reports have held up. Funny that you glossed right over the facts I stated in regards to the IPCC ever changing stance on global warming, especially when compared to critics and alarmists.
As for the reports I mentioned, here are a few links to those recent findings that state “the leading international network of climate change scientists concluded for the first time Friday that global warming was ‘unequivocal’ and that human activity was ‘very likely’ to blame. The warming will continue for hundreds of years, they predicted.”
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/02/news/climate.php
Interestingly, one of the reports that you claim criticizes global warming, the IPCC’s report due out was examined:
“PARIS, Feb. 2 — In a bleak and powerful assessment of the future of the planet, the leading international network of climate change scientists has concluded for the first time that global warming is “unequivocal” and that human activity is the main driver, “very likely” causing most of the rise in temperatures since 1950.
They said the world is already committed to centuries of warming, shifting weather patterns and rising seas, resulting from the buildup of gases in the atmosphere that trap heat. But the warming can be substantially blunted by prompt action, the panel of scientists said in a report released here today.
The report summarized the fourth assessment since 1990 by the group, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change of the United Nations, sizing up the causes and consequences of climate change. But it is the first in which the group asserts with near certainty — more than 90 percent confidence — that carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases from human activities have been the main causes of warming since 1950.”
-New York Times, Paris, Feb 2, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/science/earth/02cnd-climate.html?ex=1172638800&en=44a5bb19b6ae18a8&ei=5070
Further:
John P. Holdren, an energy and climate expert at Harvard University, said that the “report powerfully underscores the need for a massive effort to slow the pace of global climatic disruption before intolerable consequences become inevitable.†[Read a report by Mr. Holdren. (PDF format) http://www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1162/itgg.2006.1.2.3?cookieSet=1 ]
“Since 2001 there has been a torrent of new scientific evidence on the magnitude, human origins and growing impacts of the climatic changes that are underway,†said Mr. Holdren, who is the president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. “In overwhelming proportions, this evidence has been in the direction of showing faster change, more danger and greater confidence about the dominant role of fossil fuel burning and tropical deforestation in causing the changes that are being observed.â€
” And I, for one, am not in a hurry to see anyone make policy based on such precaution.”
Isn’t that what policy is for, protecting and ensuring that something does NOT happen (hence “precaution”)? There are many faults in your logic sir.
Question: why risk it? If you are so “moderate” in your stance, why just criticisms (which, in actuality, dictate that you are not a moderate)?
February 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmComment by hacker bob — February 26, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
I’m pointing out the hypocrisy that exists among conservatives. And global warming will have multiple effects in addition to flooding including droughts, massive heat waves, etc.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:28 pm#180 – “All (!) we need to stop the climate crisis: the wisdom, the will and the guts to say “we have everything we needâ€. We don’t need cars, xbox’s, private planes, speedboats, diamonds and other blingbling. Stop living like Americans and start thinking like sensible beings.”
Hmmmm….. I do recall mentioning the POLITICS of global warming was ALL about Political POWER – and of course, dictating the politically correct “way to live”.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThank you, comrade.
To Cory:
February 26th, 2007 at 4:23 pmI think you’ve misread my intention, and perhaps I am partly responsible. Maybe my skepticism (if you’ll pardon the term) toward both “sides” of the debate has confused you. Also, I chose to focus my remarks to you on the questions you posed to me, giving special attention the words you typed in CAPITALS.
I claim no label, including that of “moderate.” I am as yet compelled to take no “side” in the fuss; however, I do hold that extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence in support of those claims. At this point, it seems there is no end to citations each “side” has marshaled in defense of its position. As for my reading of the research, I have my biases, as does anyone. However, I choose to place weight on (a) the extent and quality of the research performed and (b) the sound basis for the conclusions put forward I find in the evidence presented, rather than (1) its “consensus” or “majority” quotient, (2) allegations of bias due to funding sources or associations, or (3) the tilt or degree of “skepticism” or “alarmism” expressed therein.
As for the Precautionary Principle, I define that as belief in the justification of policies and actions based upon not-yet-demonstrated suppositions that (a) a given trend exists, (b) its effects are in fact destructive, (c) its causes are well understood, AND (d) a path toward reversal has been established. To this principle I will not subscribe, even though it makes my logic “faulty” in your eyes.
Kelly, you realy don’t get it,, typical troll, pick up on a miss spelled word and make excuses for the death and distruction this administration has allowed or designed in an unnecessary war..Go back to your bush closet and I will run with the informed pack…There will be even fewer of the stupid by choice in 08…
February 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pmIf this were truly science there wouldn’t be a consensus. To be called science, it would have to stand up under the scientific method. Your Global Warming falls down on the third step. You’re operating on the premise that the hypothesis must be true—so it is true. I hate to break it to you, but you are more aligned with religious zealots than you are with science.
Comment by 20wordsorless
This is untrue. The hypothesis is backed up by many measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere and this is mapped across as long of a period of time as we are able to measure. This shows a trend when drawn out on a graph. The trend is very very startling. You can see a BIG picture of this graph in “An Inconvenient Truth”.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI was thrilled when Gore won. It was the only Oscar where I really cared about the outcome.
Congrats Mr. President (please!!)
February 26th, 2007 at 5:20 pmA gentle admonition for Mr. Gibson:
February 26th, 2007 at 5:23 pmI find it’s often possible to derive a number of mutually exclusive hypothetical models from the same body of data. One ought then to be reluctant to bow too quickly to one line of interpretation. Countless apparent correlations may be charted which in fact have no clear cause-and-effect relationship. Even where such a relationship does exist, it may prove difficult to sort out which is the cause and which is the effect. Just a thought.
Comment by long-gone
That is true over eveything in science and logic. That is what we have scientists for. Their day to day jobs include placing measuring devices all around and in orbit around our planet, recording measurements from these devices, comparing the results to past knowns, and then looking for facts that contradict the conclusions they come up with based on the observed facts.
This is exactly what has been done and published many times.
February 26th, 2007 at 5:58 pmhttp://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archive/200412/CUL20041202a.html
February 26th, 2007 at 6:08 pm20Wordsorless: “If this were truly science there wouldn’t be a consensus.”
Hogwash, as usual. Hey 20wordsorless, the general “consensus” among scientists is that there’s something to this theory of gravity, but it’s still just a theory. Does the consensus mean that the Theory of Gravity is not “truly science”???!!
You seem to think you know something about science. Where did you get that idea?
February 26th, 2007 at 6:20 pmhttp://www.cnsnews.com/ Culture/ archive/ 200412/ CUL20041202a.html
Comment by michael
You MIT source is not to be believed. He mischaracterizes the scientific method. That is elementary yet he gets it wrong. Something not right about that.
Oreilly says global warming deniers are “nuts”.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/14722/1/60Minutes-OReilly.wmv
February 26th, 2007 at 6:22 pmlong-gone: “I do hold that extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence in support of those claims.”
Nonsense. 80% of the scientists studying the issue say human activity is the main cause of the acceleration of global warming. This is not an extraordinary claim. It’s the common consensus.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:23 pmGore’s mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES). … The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:24 pmMr. Gibson:
February 26th, 2007 at 6:27 pmThis calls for discretion on the part of the scientific information consumer–which includes you and me. It is the job of scientists to collect, yes, and to interpret this raw data; to develop and test hypotheses; and to present findings. It is also the role of scientists to go over the data and the findings so presented with a view to critiquing this work. That said, I think we, you and I, as consumers of this processed information have an important responsibility to be informed consumers who employ our critical faculties as we examine the findings and claims. Leaving the facts and their interpretation entirely to an undifferentiated collection of personages we call “the scientists” is, in my view, risky business indeed.
Media reports, committee summary reports, documentary films, dramatic charts, activists’ pronouncements, and, yes, statements of opinion by individual scientists aside, what we now have is not unequivocal, monolithic agreement within the climatological community. Instead, we have a body of highly suggestive information that begs for critical examination as a prelude to informed action.
Alas, thinking and asking questions is dull; action is exciting, even sexy. I think that many forces driving the current debate are in effect short-circuiting this critical examination stage, leaping prematurely to a call for action.
#225 – Nice try pete – your stats sounded efficient and official. The fact you were comparing walnuts and pineapples (nation states vs. guerrilla warfare) renders your numbers meaningless. We’ve never been engaged in a war of this type even though we’ve been engaged in huge domestic and foreign wars.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:29 pmOf course Michael’s article mischaracterizes science. It’s from consumate right-wing propagandist Brent Bozell and his phony right-wing media group which tries to argue that the mainstream media is a left-wing conspiracy. Michael, I could go over to FreeRepublic and link to Daily Worker articles. What good do you think that would accomplish?
February 26th, 2007 at 6:29 pmTo Bluedog49:
February 26th, 2007 at 6:30 pmI previously commented on what I consider the measure of good, solid research–together with my take on “consensus science.”
Long-gone: “Leaving the facts and their interpretation entirely to an undifferentiated collection of personages we call “the scientists†is, in my view, risky business indeed.”
Who would you like to see evaluate scientific data? Priests? Shamen? How about the head cooks of all the great 4-star restaurants? The essense of the scientific method is that other scientists check the results of one’s scientific findings. You’re just not making sense.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:32 pmIn 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average.
Comment by Steve
And when we cut off our addiction for oil and replace it with other technologies then he and you and I can go right on using all the electricity we want without causing harm.
That is the point. Gore is not arguing that we become cavemen. He is arguing we need the political will to do what JFK did for the moon landing.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:33 pmAll you’ve done, long-gone, is provide evidence of a profound ignorance of science, scientists and the scientific method. The goal of your posts seems to be to obfuscate. I’m not buying any of it.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:34 pmTo Bluedog49:
February 26th, 2007 at 6:36 pmFurther, I think I made it clear to what I was referring as “extraordinary claims”–not that warming is occurring, nor that human activity is a factor. On these points, there is overwhelming consensus. Please take due care not to mischaracterize my remarks.
Correlations are not the same as causality, and it is important I defining such distinction. Yet I’m certain the environmental scientists and researchers who have conducted these studies are well aware of this discrepancy and take it into account when making their claims. However, pointing out the difference between positive and negative correlations and causality is not addressing the issue of whether global warming exists, to what extent it exists and its possible cause(s). Reiteration is effortless, understanding is not.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:37 pmLeaving the facts and their interpretation entirely to an undifferentiated collection of personages we call “the scientists†is, in my view, risky business indeed.
Comment by long-gone
This sounds like to me you are suggesting that you did not do any rsearch on your own even though the Internet has been available for many years now.
Well I have. When CO2 increasing dramatically in a short time things change on the entire earth in a bad way for life.
It is numerical fact that CO2 is increasing at a rate that is not natural. So when the equal and opposite reaction occurs from nature to balance things out how is that going to affect us? How is the acidification of our oceans going to play out as it breaks the chain of life that we depend on for food? A large part of the oceans coral is already dead. A large number of animals that we grew up taking for granted are on the verge of extinction.
Through all the cycles of humanity where we build ours selves uo and then burn our selves down we have never been this technologically advanced before. We are doing things that have never been seen before. We must be CONSERVATIVE and tread lightly in this new territory. And when we see signs of danger we MUST heed them for the consequences of doing so are small and the consequences of not doing so can lead to us being in the fossil record.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:38 pmTo Bluedog49:
February 26th, 2007 at 6:39 pmNo, my aim is not obfuscation; it is rather to encourage individuals to think critically about others are telling them.
long-gone:
Your points and concerns do not go unappreciated; my hesitation in prescribing to such theories is the general feeling of indifference that may lead to adopting such principles. I realize the importance of objectivity in any discussion, however it is imperative to realize change does not occur by merely observing and taking “no side”.
The inherit problem with environmental discussion is the passion of many environmentalists. The past forty years have produced many scientific reports on both sides of the debate, demonstrating the severity and emotional concern of the general population. Humanity has placed itself in a very serious predicament; do we adopt policies that recognize global warming and curb our lifestyles with possible disastrous economic and political results or do we blithely continue our lives? It is very noble and proper of you to place significance on the quality and context as well as basis for conclusions on any scientific research that has been conducted on any topic as failure to do so would create a world of reactionaries and extremists. While a Columbia U. PhD student in social organizational psychology I appreciate the respect and intelligence that is required for understanding and weighing the importance of any scientific research. All scientific research should be scrutinized and weighted against other facts. Yet at some point enough scientific research is done that strongly supports a certain hypothesis. As a very politically active American I have read numerous studies on both sides of the debate, and as someone who grew up in a household with democratic and republican parents I have learned to respect both sides of any argument. I must disagree with you on one point, the number of scientific conclusions are significant, especially when weighing the number of scientific data in support of global warming versus that in opposition. More data has been produced in support of global warming, and some from scientists who admitted to personal bias that global warming does not exist. I am perplexed that you would chose to quote the IPCC since you claim impartiality and weighing all facts before making decisions. Relying upon one report or one institution for any judgments or claims results in ignorance and slanted observations.
The Precautionary Principle is a slippery slope, one that has been traversed by philosophers and debaters for centuries. I concede your point that without solid scientific evidence, if global policy is established to curb energy consumption, a domino effect would more than likely occur. Stabilizing greenhouse gases at levels low enough to cool the planet may require drastic reductions in energy use (actually, I think this is a near certainty, but I’ll say “may” to preserve the parallelism with the pro-Kyoto argument). An energy-constrained world may be a poorer world (again, this is a virtual certainty, since energy is critical to manufacturing, transportation, telecommunications — you name it). A poorer world may be a world with more starving people (indeed, how could it not be?).
February 26th, 2007 at 6:39 pm(con’t)
Bear with me while I play devils advocate. During the pre-smoking ban era, there was plenty of scientific research conducted by cigarette manufacturers as well as independent institutions that demonstrated a strong link between cancer and smoking. Cigarette manufacturers concealed much of this early research in order to keep the public misinformed and smoking. This is strikingly similar to the Bush administrations harrying of environmental scientists and manipulation of conclusive research that strongly supported the hypothesis that global warming is occurring and that humanity is primarily at fault. Had the general population been made aware of the actual effects of smoking, millions of lives might have been saved or in the very least the general populations health would have benefited (and insurance companies wouldn’t have spent billions on health care and the tobacco companies would not have lost millions in lawsuits). Smoking is one instance in which adopting the Precautionary Principle would have been wise. It is the responsibility of the general public to make decisions based on all the facts, and the first step is properly informing the people of such facts. If there is no credence to any of this scientific evidence in support of global warming, then why has the Bush administration taken pains to suppress such evidence while putting scientists into place that the Administrations policy makers may manipulate? If all these reports are simply conjecture, then the Administration would have nothing to worry about, correct?
Humanity can be a very arrogant species by assuming our significance and dominance over other species and this planet. Assuming that any negative repercussions (economic disaster, poverty, etc.) from adopting environmental policy (reduced energy consumption, alternative energy sources, etc) overshadow the general state of the earth is conceited and erroneous. Recent environmental disasters such as hurricane Katrina, the tsunami that devastated Sri Lanka, Thailand and Indonesia, the European heat wave of 2003, record heat in the U.S., London’s first tornado, record droughts and hurricanes, etc. are reminders that humanity is just a spec on this planet.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:44 pm…meanwhile…
February 26th, 2007 at 6:44 pmAl Gore flies around in his private jet condemning SUVs.
…and the hypocrisy continues…
To Bluedog49:
February 26th, 2007 at 6:48 pmHere you go again. Yes, scientists interpret and test the work of other scientists. Let’s not drag the shamans, chefs, and the priests into this.
To make my points clearer, I say (1) the responsibility does not end with the scientists, but rests in part with us, the information consumers, as well–we’re not off the hook; and (2) there are climatologists, there are other scientists with other specialties, and there are yet others who permit others to assume they are scientists and quote them as such–let the information consumer beware; and (3) there is on the one hand such a thing as agreement within the scientific community, and on the other a manufactured consensus–but perhaps you get what I’m saying.
Your gravity analogy is most telling. No reputable scientist disputes the existence or the effects of this phenomenon, but no reputable scientist (so far as I know) has claimed to have satisfactorily explained what makes it work. It’s one of the greatest remaining enigmas in science.
…meanwhile…
Al Gore flies around in his private jet condemning SUVs.
…and the hypocrisy continues…
Comment by majdvmphd
I cant keep typing the same stuff over and over… here is my response to people like you….
A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never beaccurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears intosomething he can understand. – Bertrand Russell
February 26th, 2007 at 6:49 pmOoops, um, please forgive (and forget) my double posting. When I didn’t see it I assumed it wasn’t accepted due to its length and posted it in segmented parts.
February 26th, 2007 at 7:04 pmTo Cory:
February 26th, 2007 at 7:04 pmThank you for acknowledging my respect for the scientific method. I think the method is one of the greatest things we human beings have going.
A clarification is in order. When I cited the IPCC report, I wasn’t endorsing it; instead I intended to call attention to (1) the unfounded statements published in the world media about the summary, and (2) the politicization of the issues within the committee itself. As with the past reports, I think you and I will again have opportunity to hear from more than a few contributors who think the Summary for Policymakers departs from their findings.
Warming happens. Humans contribute. No argument here. The devil, as always, is in the details. So far–and this is my reading of the situation–I think the case has yet to be made for a number of alleged cause-and-effect linkages between specific human activities and measured temperature changes, between measured temperature changes and observed climate patterns, and between these observations and the more dramatic climate changes some have projected.
I’ve been enjoying our exchange. Thank you again.
RAH! RAH! RAH!
February 26th, 2007 at 8:19 pmSIS BOOM BAH!
GO Al, GO!
GORE those repugnant-repubs!
You have shown what a dignified and class-act WINNER you were so those repugnant-repub rightwingnut cranks can take their SOUR GRAPES and SHOVE ‘EM UP THEIR LOATHESOME ASSES ONE GRAPE AT A TIME!!!!! OUCH!!!!!
SO WHO HAD THE LAST LAUGH, repugnant-repubs?
NEXT FOR Al Gore–THE NOBEL PRIZE!!!!!
GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT GLOAT!!!!!
HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!
(con’t)
February 26th, 2007 at 8:23 pmUtilizing the Precautionary Principle, let’s examine the issue of cost-benefit analysis in environmental policy. Many objections to the Precautionary Principle state the negative ramifications in reacting to claims by adopting policies that may negatively effect other variables not taken into account, such as the economy, while not preventing any disaster or there not being any disaster to prevent (a “the sky is falling†argument so to speak). I will attempt to debunk the Precautionary Principle in regards to economic disaster from adopting environmentally conscious policy. When it comes to assigning economic value to functioning ecosystems, the problem is not that the values are low or undefined, but rather that they are so high as to be almost beyond calculation. James Lovelock (among others) suggests looking at the Earth as a worker presenting us a bill for services rendered. Such services include air conditioning, water purification, irrigation, and humidification. Lovelock calculates that an acre of tropical rainforest is worth £10,000 just for the value of air conditioning and irrigation alone. For the tropical rainforests as a whole, the cost of replacing such services with our own would far exceed the gross international product. Similarly, entities such as lakes, fish populations, and coral reefs can be viewed as “natural capital” into which it is unwise (according to conventional economic wisdom) to dip. The problem, of course, is that the negative effects of degrading the ecosystem’s capacity to render beneficial services and of dipping into natural capital are delayed and nonlocal rather than immediate and local, and so are likely to get short shrift from shortsighted policymakers. But this problem is endemic to policy-making in any case, and so should not be held against the cost-benefit approach.
[Please pardon if this is a double-post.]
February 26th, 2007 at 8:45 pmMr. Gibson,
You misunderstand my remarks if you think they suggest of me “you did not do any research on your own even though the Internet has been available for many years now.”
Although I’m no scientist, I’ve been engaged in the process of reading and sorting out the published science concerning the environment for more than 35 years now. As I’ve followed the debates over the last 20 or so years, I’ve been saddened to see many truly concerned and engaged climate scientists effectively sidelined by ill-informed activists, marketing specialists, and lawyers who’ve stolen the podium from them.
I do confess no small measure of resentment toward the upstarts who seek primarily to advance their own interests at the expense of responsible science.
OK, I’ll step down from my soapbox now and let someone else speak.
The environment is so important to Gore that he sucks up more electricity in a month than an average household does in a year. He travels by Jet all over the world. Award was purely political just like the Dixie Chicks grammys.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:35 amBesides cutting back on carbon emissions, Gore should probably cut back on the groceries.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:59 am[...] It was a big night for An Inconvenient Truth. The film won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. The Oscar was accepted by (from left to right) former Vice President Al Gore, Laurie David, Davis Guggenheim, Scott Z. Burns, Lawrence Bender and Lesley Chilcott. You can see a video of their acceptance, here. [...]
February 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amSeriously? He is the worst offender. Maybe when he invents something new, like his internet invention, we can all rest!
February 27th, 2007 at 11:37 am$30000 per year for gas and electric bill just for 1 year in 1 house. add that to all the fuel his private jet burns, and all the CO2 he produces, and i would say that adds up to some serious hypocricy.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by valiant venus — February 26, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
I knew you wouldn’t like it. I thought you’d have a rational complaint about the data or the method. But no, you just reach into your ass and pull out “walnuts and pineapples.”
How is this war different? People kill, people die. Are you suggesting that German and Japanese soldiers fight less well than Iraqi insurgents? Or, that Iraqi GIs fight less well than WW2 GIs?
Maybe you think German and Japanese soldiers “fight fair,” unlike their Iraqi counterparts. I doubt any veterans from Malmedy or Bataan would agree.
February 27th, 2007 at 7:15 pmCongrats to the hypocrite. He uses more electricity in one month in one of his three homes than most use in a year. I might take him more seriously if he practiced what he preaches.
February 27th, 2007 at 7:29 pmI agree Lance. Finally somebody on “thinkprogress” who actually thinks…progress! Actually, thanks to all the commenters from 266 on down.
February 27th, 2007 at 7:34 pmhey guys, being the last one to piss on the thread doesn’t mean you “won” the thread, mm’k?
that’s ok though – you can regroup for another surge, and stay the course.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:10 pmoff ya go now, little stormtroopers…
#271 – “People kill, people die.”
Wow, pete…..very deep! You may have noticed through your diligent study of history and warfare there were not many German or Japanese soldiers without uniforms or commanders. Both enemies were brutal, yet both were trackable. Your comparisons and massaging of the numbers do not bolster your argument.
February 28th, 2007 at 11:02 am[...] Al Gore related news since I saw "An Inconvenient Truth". First, the movie won an Oscar! Congratulations, Al! Secondly, I’ve run across a couple of positive articles [...]
February 28th, 2007 at 8:00 pmAn Inconvenient Truth wins two Academy Awards…
The 79th Academy Awards, popularly known as the Oscars, were awarded today. An Inconvenient Truth, Al Gore’s documentary about global warming, was nominated for best documentary. Melissa Etheridge wrote the excellent and apropos “I Need to Wa…
March 4th, 2007 at 2:54 amCongratulations to Vice President Al Gore on his Oscar win!
Perhaps now he can start an example by reducing the 221,000 kilowatt-hours of electricity his home consumed in 2006, Twenty times the U.S. average. Gee, think of all those greenhouse gases pumped into our atmosphere just for a single home!
March 8th, 2007 at 11:45 pmAs a 25 year oilfield Drilling Engineer, I watched the Al Gore movie for the first time on 15.03.07 in a hotel room in Stavanger in Norway at 03.00 hrs in the morning. I was stunned. A) As an Englishman, I had no idea this guy was so bright, B) To have witnessed a USA Presidential election whereby the ignorant bible belt voted for Bush remains utterly amazing to the educated world, C) The bible belt, of which I am a Scientist and a Believer, will be confused in your country because they are so dumb that the rest of the world is utterly fed up with your American version of religion, D) Vote this man for President and get some BRAINS in your leadership, E) If you believe in his Ice Cores then you are completely screwed on your +/- 4000 yr Biblical calculation. F) The World needs a Leader and you guys in the USA are so Stupid, you couldn’t see when you had one. What did you give us… Bush…Are you proud ? Good…. well noone else on this planet actually is. Fellow Americans.. change your diet, or disappear and give the world a break.
March 16th, 2007 at 2:00 pm