President Carter Rips Cheney Over Iraq: ‘His Batting Average Is Abysmally Low’
President Carter Rips Cheney Over Iraq: ‘His Batting Average Is Abysmally Low’
Last week, Vice President Cheney attacked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) for supporting Iraq redeployment. He charged that their plan would “validate the al Qaeda strategy.”
Today, former President Jimmy Carter rejected Cheney’s charges, stating that calls for a change of policy in Iraq are “not playing into the hands of al Qaeda or the people who are causing violence and destruction over there.” He added, “If you go back and see what Vice President Cheney has said for the last three or four years concerning Iraq, his batting average is abysmally low. He hasn’t been right on hardly anything.” Watch it:
Transcript:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Vice President Cheney this week has been very harsh on those kinds of measures in the Congress.
[CHENEY CLIP]: If we were to do what Speaker Pelosi and Congressman Murtha are suggesting, all we’ll do is validate the al Qaeda strategy. The al Qaeda strategy is to break the will of the American people.
CARTER: If you go back and see what Vice President Cheney has said for the last three or four years concerning Iraq, his batting average is abysmally low. He hasn’t been right on hardly anything and his prediction of what is going to happen, reasons for going over there and obviously this is not playing into the hands of al Qaeda or the people who are causing violence and destruction over there, to call for a change in policy in Iraq.
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The President who allowed Iran to become an Islamic Republic and did nothing in their invasion of our embassy shouldn't be throwing stones from his glasshouse.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:53 amNonsense Vince. Iran went Islamic because that's what their people allowed. Carter ensured we didn't go to World War III over it.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:56 amI think carter should have started with;
"how on earth can a man be so detatched to as to claim is depraved and failed strategy in Iraq has anything at all to do with "al qaeda's strategy"
it's the vice president that has played into al qaeda's strategy and he needs to stop acting like he has a military clue"
if he started is line with that, man that would have gotten news
February 25th, 2007 at 10:58 amOSAMA/BUSH WORKING FOR THE SAME GOALS
1 - Both have policies which will ultimately bankrupt the US
2 - Both have fighters in the Middle East giving their lives to insure that Muslim Theocracies thrive.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:02 amI for one voted for Carter and was sad when he didn't make the second term....I felt then as I do now he was to good for the post...He is and has alway's been a man that quietly walk's the talk...A good man and a peace keeper.....His legacy as president may be slight but his donations and hard work for humanety is huge, he is a statesman and has done much quietly and with out pomp and ceramony....Blessings to you Mr. President and first lady Carter and Thank you for you on going service to humanety...We do listen to what you have to say and inregard's to cheney and many other matters you are correct....
February 25th, 2007 at 11:04 amOBL TELEGRAM TO W; THANK YOU THANK YOU
Dear Georgie,
February 25th, 2007 at 11:05 amTHANK YOU for letting up on the hunt for me.
THANK YOU for creating new orphans and Jihadists everyday.
THANK YOU for supporting my family and whitewashing the 9/11 investigation (guess we both were dirty)
THANK YOU for invading Iraq for that I will always be thankful.
THANK YOU for spending all your resources and children to die in the optional war of Iraq .
THANK YOU FOR LEAVING OFFICE WITHOUT GETTING ME.
AS A GESTURE OF MY APPRECIATION I WILL OR AL-ZAWAHARI WILL PUT OUT TAPES FROM TIME TO TIME TO HELP YOUR POLL NUMBERS LIKE WE HELPED YOU GET ELECTED IN 2004
HUGS AND KISSES,
Osama Bin Forgotten
Jimmy Carter - a master of the understatement.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:08 amBravo to Jimmy Carter, but WHY does Bill Clinton remain silent about Iraq Fiasco War? Americans are beginning to wonder if Bill and Hillary are in bed with the Bush family, since Bill hangs out with Bush Senior almost on a daily basis, and Hillary hardly ever says anything bad about Bush Junior.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:09 amThis peanut farmer should not be taken seriously on anything. With the exception of his Habitat for Humanity work, he has not done anything worthwhile. (Unless you consider his support of dictators world-wide).
As Vince said, he sat on his friggin' hands while 52 people from our embassy were held hostage for 444 days. It was only when Pres. Reagan took office that they were finally released; the terrorists who did this knew that only Reagan would have the cojones to go after them.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:10 am#8, Bill's in bed with anybody who'll say yes.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:11 amWhy didn't Cheney listen to......................Cheney?
"Now, you can say, well, you should have gone to Baghdad and gotten Saddam, [but] I don’t think so. I think if we had done that, we would have been bogged down there for a very long period of time with the real possibility we might not have succeeded."
- Dick Cheney, 1996
February 25th, 2007 at 11:11 amVince; we forced the Shah onto the Iranian people in a CIA coup in 1953.
Dick Cheney: the banality of evil
February 25th, 2007 at 11:12 amDale > Reagan cut a secret deal with the Iranians to release the hostages, so stop twisting facts on here. Ronald had no cojones.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:15 amBill’s in bed with anybody who’ll say yes.
Comment by Dale
I'd say yes.
Just sayin'
February 25th, 2007 at 11:16 amThis peanut farmer should not be taken seriously on anything.
Comment by Dale — February 25, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Nor should Dale be taken seriously on anything.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:16 amDale > Bill Clinton wants to be liked, but what is the excuse for Bush Senior hanging out with Bill going golfing almost daily? You are not insinuating they are lovers? LOL.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:19 am#9. Reagan committed traitorous acts to get those hostages and we have been paying for that blunder ever since.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:20 amWhy are the Neocons trying to destory America? :[
February 25th, 2007 at 11:20 am#9..he sat on his friggin’ hands while 52 people from our embassy were held hostage for 444 days.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:23 amAll 52 hostages came home...I guess Carter could have started a war costing billions of dollars and thousands of American lives while ruining our image abroad....Wait a minute ...that sounds familiar for some reason!!!
Vince: It's surprising that you would bring up Reagan in your comments. Reagen is the guy who SOLD ARMS TO IRAN. Of course, then his administration illegally funneled those funds to the Contras. The relevant point here is that your hero Ronald Reagan Sold Arms to Iran.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:24 amoops. I meant to address #19 to Dale, the guy who believes Reagan was a great president. I wonder why we have a paid-for "Reagan Legacy Project" then?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:26 amJust as the ones who thought that there were WMDs, the ones who thought US would be greeted as liberator, the ones who thought Saddam was a threat to Western civilization (super sic!), the ones who thought that killing civilians and children would help to control terrorism, the ones who thought that mission was accomplished, the racists who thought that a 300 y/o fast food civilization would teach 5,000 y/o civilization what kind of regime should it has, the racists that 650,000 people is nonesense, that 3,100 are but a number, the haters that after the crumbling of the Soviet State, see Muslims as the new hating target to satisfy their pitiful lives, the hypocrites that cry mommy when Iran protects its right to develop nuclear energy but say nothing about the jewish nuclear arsenal, the hypocrites that think waterboarding is ok, but find beheadings a savagery, the hypocrites that say nothing about Abu Ghraib, Qana, Fallujah but are shocked about some "info" of some iranians aiding iraqi insurgency, the hypocrites that would like bombing Iran but sh*t their pants when NK makes a nuclear test.
War supporters should be hanged.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:28 amVince P. : The USA forced the Shah onto the Iranian people in a CIA coup in 1953, a brutal dictator.
Dick Cheney: the banality of evil
2nd posting of this comment, first time went ?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amQuestion for all the Carter haters: If no one in the Regann administration did anything wrong, regarding Iran Contra, why did Cap Weinberger have to be pardoned?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:33 amYes, President Carter is correct. Richard Cheney has demonstrated he is consistently wrong on Iraq. The kicker is that the MSM repeat what Cheney and George W Bush say as if they are reliable sources when have shown they are not. The MSM need to account for the fact that Cheney & Bush are not even randomly incorrect, they have a consistent bias to their estimate and prediction errors.
What would a mathematician make of Cheney & Bush's estimates of WMDs or of the cost, outcome, causalities, or duration of the US-Iraq war, progress against global terrorism?
What would a mathematician make of Cheney and Bush's similar predictions about Iran (state of nuclear program, influence in Iraq, effect of US nuclear or conventional bombing of Iran, Iranian retaliation, effect on global terrorism, effect on global economy and oil and unseating vs cementing in place extremist government in Iran)?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:34 amJames Earl Carter, Jr. was a bit more than a peanut farmer. He grauate 59th in his class of 820 at the Naval acadamy. He was a key member of the Navy's nuclear submarine development pogram.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:37 amLook at that grin on Carter's face. He is loving dragging Cheney's bloated corpse through the "political streets"
A little "payback and karma" for when the then Congress thwarted his every attempt at meaningful legislation.
Enjoy yourself Jimmy. You have earned it!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:52 amHave to fix only one word in Carter's statements about Cheneyburton
"He hasn’t been right on hardly anything...."
Corrected Version
"He hasn't been right on anything"
And reply #6-Excellent post, It should show up at other sites as well
February 25th, 2007 at 11:52 amCarter is an antisemtic loser whom all of us in the nuclear submarine navy laughed at.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:54 am#27 Doug
RIGHT ON BUDDY!
February 25th, 2007 at 12:00 pmfrom Bangor, WA.
Douglas > get real you were too busy chasing fellow submariners for sex to care about Carter who is straight.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:01 pm#27 - Douglas G.,
February 25th, 2007 at 12:05 pmYou must be an old salt - Carter left the Navy when his fatherr died in 1953. The fleet was kind of small then consisting of one boat that happened to be under construction.
Carter is an antisemtic loser whom all of us in the nuclear submarine navy laughed at.
Comment by Douglas G.
The talking points have been distributed to the sheep.
**yawn**
February 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#25 rachel: "Cheney's bloated corpse"? You certainly hit the nail on the head there. The guy has destroyed his political career and any credibility he may have had left. He has been wrong and wrong on Iraq. Cheney is a lousy bloated corpse.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:08 pmDale.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI suggest you bone up on the Iranian Hostages Situation,because your're dumb as rock! Secondly,Reagen "Cut and Ran " in Beruit! That's what helped to embolded the terrorists!
My suggestion to you Dale is,Quit drinking the Kool-Aid,Turn off the Fox Noise Network ,then do a little research before showing the entire world how ignorant you are!
Boy the trolls got chased off easy today or they are in a emergency Internet meeting with Karl Rove getting new talking points for TP?!
February 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pmAs Vince said, he sat on his friggin’ hands while 52 people from our embassy were held hostage for 444 days. It was only when Pres. Reagan took office that they were finally released; the terrorists who did this knew that only Reagan would have the cojones to go after them.
Comment by Dale
No, more like he was "prevented" from doing so by GHWB Sr. and cronies as Bush Sr. (intelligence CIA Bush Sr.), was operating the CIA "puppet strings" and his reward for all of his "behind the scenes shennanigans?"
The Vice Presidency after Reagan "released these hostages" when seemingly no one else "could"
I wonder how that happened?
Yeah right.
You really are a lame ass punk-troll are you not?
We as Americans, know how that "really" went down.
Sorry junior.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:23 pm#12, do you have a reliable source for that? Or is it just another paranoid moonbat theory?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:23 pmThen, the "weapons sales" began.
Then Iran-Contra.
I just love the "selective memory" of these GOP BOTS like Dale.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pmGee, if the CIA was able to prevent Pres. Carter from doing wanted he wanted, that's pretty good proof that he was ineffective, no, abysmal, as a President.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pmCarter's comment on Cheney was, in fact, generous.
a "low batting average" is a euphemism for oftern being incorrect. In reality, Cheney is a soul-less promoter of human carnage for profit and is a bald face liar.
Cheney is not merely incorrect, he is as cunning a deceiver as any man has ever aspired to be: Beelzebub is his mentor.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pm#37, Rachel, the first arms sale did not take place until 1985. Are you telling me that the Iranian gov't said "yeah, we'll release the hostages, then if you get relected, you can sell us weapons".
Is that really what your little brain is thinking?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pmTHere really is no question that "Al Quaeda" and Cheney are in cahoots.
Al Quaeda has supported keeping these hardline jokers in office all along.
That's why we focus on OIL rich countries instead of AL Quaeda.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:37 pmAbout CIA in Iran. Keep it up, Dale.
February 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pmCarter is an antisemtic loser whom all of us in the nuclear submarine navy laughed at.
Comment by Douglas G. — February 25, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Hmmm... That contradicts your patronizing remarks about respecting the office of the President - especially when you were under his command.
So you're okay with being a hypocrite then?
February 25th, 2007 at 12:47 pm#9 - "It was only when Pres. Reagan took office that they were finally released;"Comment by Dale — February 25, 2007 @ 11:10 am
You forgot to add that then-Director of the CIA George HW Bush was the one that made the deal with Iran to NOT release the hostages until AFTER Pres. Reagan entered the White House.
Then again, regressives like you only look at part of history instead of all of history.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:03 pm#35 Pinky,
Read wikipedia's history on Jimmy Carter. uh huh. he IS to blame for the mess we're in, per the left leaning wiki.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:06 pmJuan C; good link, but I thought the coup putting the Shah in power occured in 1953.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:17 pm#47 - ballbuster,
February 25th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThen you are claiming that every single president since Carter has been totally ineffective.
pinky
Beirut had nothing to do with it.
The bit that really emboldened terrorists was the Iran-Contra affair. Yep, the same Ronald Reagan who got in on his advertising calling Carter soft on terrorism - and weak in the crisis - then promptly went on to sell weapons not just to any old terrorists, but the very same terrorists that took those hostages.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:25 pmper the left leaning wiki.
Comment by ballbuster
Ha ha ha!!! This has to be the funniest post today. Everything is left leaning if it describes something I dont like.
Hey, go and make your room!
Dont be a left leaning mom, mom!
Oh, the simplicity found in ignorance is such a bliss.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:31 pmOh, the simplicity found in ignorance is such a bliss.
Comment by Juan C
Mr Ballslobber must be a very happy person. :P
February 25th, 2007 at 1:36 pmZoo. :)
February 25th, 2007 at 1:47 pmAbout CIA in Iran. Keep it up, Dale.
Comment by Juan C —
Thanks Juan C. for having my back.
I owe you plenty.
Namaste!
February 25th, 2007 at 1:53 pmDemSoldier, pay attn to what you're reading. First, Rachel made the silly claim that Pres. Reagan made a deal to sell arms to Iran in exchange for the hostages going free. Patently false.
Next, you really think Bush '41 made the deal w/Iran? He left the CIA in 1977. (yes, BEFORE the hostages were taken).
Idiot. Get your facts straight.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pmTorticola Cheney is an ARROGANT MORON, a BOMBASTIC IMBECILE, a LUDICROUS WINDBAG, a PUTRID FOSSIL, a SHIT FOR BRAINS and LUMP OF COAL HEARTED, SOULLESS, EVIL FREAK, TWISTED IN BOTH MIND AND BODY and a REMORSELESS, CONSCIENCELESS SOCIOPATH and MASS-MURDERING PSYCHOPATH--and these are his GOOD qualities! HOW DARE YOU repugnant-repubs, rightwingnuts MALIGN former President Carter! Compared to the LOATHESOME DEVIL-CREEP Cheney, Jimmy Carter IS JESUS CHRIST IN ALL HIS GLORY!!!!!
February 25th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThanks Juan C. for having my back.
I owe you plenty.
Namaste!
Comment by rachel kinnardi
Just dont fill the thread with long posts or repeat one when you get pissed by trolls. Heh. :)
February 25th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe problem with Iran is not Carter's fault, it is US policy towards the middle east since at least the World War II era. Carter inherited the mess, and he did his best to handle it. BTW, the hostages were released the day Reagan was sworn in, so Carter had more to do with getting them released through peaceful negotiation than Reagan did. Iranians just waited so they could snub Carter.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:59 pmHave I told all the progressives I love you today.? Think I forgot, well here it is, I love you...
Hay, ballwasher for bush, take a hike, be gone, your polluting a good site with senceless trivia,,,,Blessings all
February 25th, 2007 at 2:06 pm#59, and God Bless you also.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAshenShard, one just needs to go to this sickening webpage (no, no gory stuff) and see what just about every US government has put its hands on. Search for Mossadeq and some 16 documents will be listed for one to search. But most of them are just general descriptions of political situations in other countries.
I wonder how US citizens would feel if Guatemala or Iran had the same documents and the same plans of toppling US governments just becuz they had profits from them. I wonder Dale has never asked himself that question.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pm#61, the Islamofascists in Iran already have plans of toppling the U.S.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:14 pm#62 Dale
Every country has some plan for toppling those they perceive as their enemies. What counts are not their plans but their ability to carry out those plans, which most lack.
If we were willing to talk with Iran directly, we could easily solve our differences and then we would not be enemies anymore. Problem is, we won't do that because they nationalized their oil industry, and our oil corporations don't like that because it means they cannot go in there and rape the country for profit.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:26 pmthe Islamofascists in Iran already have plans of toppling the U.S.
Comment by Dale
And I really was thinking to do my PhD in Florida...
Maybe thats why Iran has 4 carriers near Brownsville. Oh, wait...
February 25th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWatching that doddering, anti-Semite "has-been" might engender compassion in some and pity in most. Knowing how he gutted our intelligence communities and takes domestic quarrels off-shore, I have neither. I forgive a senile old man his ramblings, but I cannot forgive how he weakened our country.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pm[...] Former President Jimmy Carter, on ABC News “This Week” 2/25/07, replying to Cheney’s harsh criticism of Democrats from Australia last week. “I would [...]
February 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmI forgive a senile old man his ramblings, but I cannot forgive how he weakened our country.
Comment by valiant venus
Oh please. Stick to lies about your imaginary dead child.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI didn't expect a substantive argument extolling the "successful" Presidency of Jimmy Carter.
(Pssst...Zoooey, Stick to your lies about your imaginary "live" child.)
February 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pm(Pssst…Zoooey, Stick to your lies about your imaginary “live†child.)
Comment by valiant venus
You weren't asking for an argument of the merits of Carter's presidency, Haggie, you were just dropping your usual shit bomb.
Two actual sons, my dear, who are decent, loving men.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI wish your own parents had any reason to be so proud of you.
No, Zoooey, I was commenting on the irony of a failed President criticizing on something he neither had the stones or brains to do - BUT he was very good at buttoning up those cardigan sweaters.
And I should care (or believe) you have multiple children....because?
February 25th, 2007 at 5:13 pmAnd I should care (or believe) you have multiple children….because?
Comment by valiant venus
No reason at all. Go back to your sad life of lies, you poor creature.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:29 pm“If you go back and see what Vice President Cheney has said for the last three or four years concerning Iraq, his batting average is abysmally low. He hasn’t been right on hardly anything.â€
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Reminds me of what Joe Biden said during his appearance on Fox News Sunday a few weeks ago (January 21, 2007): "...the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Iraqi Study Group, every single person out there that is of any consequence thinks, knows the Vice President doesn't know what he's talking about. I can't be more blunt than that. He is yet to be right one single time on Iraq. Name me one single time he's been correct."
February 25th, 2007 at 5:54 pmI am trying to follow the train of thought of this discussion, but some of the comments cloud the picture. The writer of posting #29 claims to speak for all members of the U.S. nuclear navy and refers to Jimmy Carter as "antisemtic." The writer has a wider vocabulary than I do. What does antisemtic mean? Has any other president been antisemtic? If so, did he manage to recover?
February 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmCarter is an anti-semite because he hates Jews and he distorts their history as evidenced by his latest book and the title he picked for it "Peace not Apartheid"
February 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThe Semites were a people who occupied the areas of the middle east in pre-Roman times. People of the Hebrew persuasion were a subset of these peoples. The current occupiers of the region in the west bank and Israel have been geneticly linked to the Indus region. Net result is that to be anti-Semite is equalvalent to being anti-Palistinian, anti-Arab, anti-Egyptian, etc., but pro-Pakistani.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:18 pm#73, I now realize you were trying to say "anti-Semitic," not "antisemtic." Thank you for clearing that up. I read the book to which you refer on an airplane ride and found it to be a chore to do. What parts of the book did you find particularly anti-Semitic? I'm wondering if I saw them to be biased, too.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:19 pmI have some understanding of the term "anti-Semitic," but the term "antisemtic" made it sound as though he kept himself clean. Perhaps that word is "antiseptic."
February 25th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWhat specific parts of Jimmy Carter's book did you find to be especially anti-Semitic? My reading of the book on an airplane made think that Carter was fairly even-handed, but the book was not exactly beach reading. I may have missed some parts that were particularly biased, so please point them out. I fully admit that I often miss things during an attempt to get through a book in one sitting.
WaltTheMan invents a definition for the term. Unfortunately for him he's wrong.
The term has a specific meaning, being coined by German political class in the 1800s.
"Antisemitism (alternatively spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is discrimination, hostility or prejudice directed to Jewish persons as a religious, racial, or ethnic group, which can range in expression from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution. While the term's etymology may imply that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, it is in practice used exclusively to refer to hostility towards Jews. The highly explicit ideology of Adolf Hitler's Nazism was the most extreme example of this phenomenon, leading to the Holocaust."
"German political agitator Wilhelm Marr coined the related German word Antisemitismus in his book "The Way to Victory of Germanicism over Judaism" in 1879. Marr used the phrase to mean hatred of Jews or Judenhass, and he used the new word antisemitism to make hatred of the Jews seem rational and sanctioned by scientific knowledge. Marr's book became very popular, and in the same year he founded the "League of Antisemites" ("Antisemiten-Liga"), the first German organization committed specifically to combatting the alleged threat to Germany posed by the Jews, and advocating their forced removal from the country."
February 25th, 2007 at 7:28 pmAh, but the DNA trail does not lead to the Middle East.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:37 pmWhat parts of the book did you find particularly anti-Semitic? I’m wondering if I saw them to be biased, too.
Comment by Paul H.
Vince P didn't read that book.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:38 pmAnd I have no intention of reading it.
Anyone calling Israel an apartheid state has already ceded the argument.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:16 pmVince P: What the heck makes you think that its up to Carter or any other citizen of the United States to 'allow/disallow' what type of government takes hold in Iran? Did you actually take yourself seriously when you wrote that? What a moronic self-centered (and false) view of the world! Where did you people *ever* get the notion that it is the United States' responsibility or privilege to control the world's states and their government? Utterly comical! :)
February 25th, 2007 at 8:24 pmReading these post only confirms that right winger's really don't lesson to reason.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:24 pmI recall that then then-CIA Director William Caey made a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages until Reagan was elected and inaugurated...they were released on the day Reagan was sworn in...the hostages remained in captivity so Reagan could be elected. Remember too that we aremd the iranians...illegally once more...to support the Contras. Bill Gates was at the CIA then...ask him...he remembers.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:26 pmNetmonger: what country are you from?
February 25th, 2007 at 8:27 pmBill tells one of the many stories that try to blame the US. You guys are inventive with your american-hatingness.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:32 pmJimmy Carter for President!
February 25th, 2007 at 8:51 pm#85 - Blame the US for what? What Carter did or what Cheney has done?
February 25th, 2007 at 9:05 pmFor those who complain about President Carter not doing anything to get the hostages released, they apparently are too young to have been "there" and don't remember that a crash of a helicopter caused the military rescue mission to be aborted.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:27 pm"A helicopter".. oh it was worse than a single helicopter.
"An unforeseen low-level sandstorm caused two of eight helicopters to lose their way en route to Desert One, but only after men and equipment had been assembled there. A third helicopter suffered a mechanical failure and was incapable of continuing with the mission. Without enough helicopters to transport men and equipment to Desert Two, the mission was aborted. After the decision to abort the mission was made, one of the helicopters lost control while taking off and crashed into a C-130. In the ensuing explosion and fire, eight US servicemen were killed: five USAF aircrew in the C-130, and three USMC aircrew in the RH-53. During the evacuation, six RH-53 helicopters were left behind intact (5 of their serial numbers are 158686, 158744, 158750, 158753, and 158758). These six helicopters now serve with the Iranian Navy. In their haste to quickly evacuate the RH-53s, the aircrews inadvertently left behind classified plans that identified CIA agents within Iran. Wounded personnel, mostly with serious burns, returned with the rest of the Joint Task Force (JTF) to the launch base in Oman. Two C-141 Medevac aircraft from the rear staging base at Wadi Kena, Egypt, picked up the injured personnel, helicopter crews, and Delta forces. The C-141s then returned to Wadi Kena. The injured personnel were then transported to Ramstein Air Base, Germany."
The Iranians seized our embassy in Nov of 1979 and this failed operation was in April 1980. How embarassing.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:31 pmHey Dale. Sounds like you're a little out of touch re Regan and the hostages. Remember Iran-Contra? It's funny how Bushies like to forget inconvenient facts. No. President Carter is right. Cheney has a very low batting average. As Barak Obama said the other day, When Cheney says things are going well, the exactopposite is happening. He still tells the lie that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:54 pmLiberals say "Iran-Contra" and we're supposed to quake in our boots. Big deal!
February 25th, 2007 at 9:56 pmLiberals say “Iran-Contra†and we’re supposed to quake in our boots. Big deal! Comment by Vince P — February 25, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Selling drugs, fighting a terrorist war (yes we backed terrorists), in violation of the core tenets of the Constitution - and Vince says 'big deal'.
Vince supports terrorism - you heard it here folks!
February 25th, 2007 at 10:09 pmYou guys are inventive with your american-hatingness.
Comment by Vince P — February 25, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
You're the one hating the constitution - american-hatingness c*nt.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:28 pmVince, does it ever occur to you that Iran is an entire whole nother country and that, whatever paranoid delusional fantasies to the contrary that you might possess, it was not up to Carter that they became an Islamic Republic? Did you also fail history and not learn that they became that Republic to throw off the US Puppet dicator we installed when we overthrew their democratically electedc government? No, I guess that's beyond you. Have a nice day.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:35 pmMark: Has it occured to you that when a threatening menance takes over a nation that it does no good to let it be established, grow, gain strength , begin to meddle around the world, and then at last, break out like a virus against other nations?
Iran undermines Lebanan, has Syria as a stooge, is trying to take control of Iraq, is exporting instablity to the Gulf states, is creating satellite states in Latin America, and finally. it believes it must initiate a war of vast destruction so that the Imam they are waiting for can emerge.
And you make snarky comments. How quant.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:40 pmNow i'm sure I'm goign to get lectured from the moral equivilence crowd.. but consider the message by these ladies.. they are from the culture of the Middle East and they risk their lives to speak out . They deserve to be listened to:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=17EAF5B74BC133D5
Videos 1 - 2 are introductions, Video 3 is the start of the meat.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:49 pmHey Vince. Sounds like you get your info from Rush Limpballs and Faux News, the "fair and balanced " news who brainwashed it's kool-aid drinking viewers into believing Iraq was responsible for 9/11. My own theory an Bush/Cheney tagteam: Both are having guilt pangs about their avoidance of service in Vietnam. Bush with his AWOL drug problem and Cheney with his 5 deferments. Both are trying to recreate in Iraq what they missed out on in Viet Nam.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:50 pmBush + Cheney deserve the same outcome as Sadaam.
"Three Arab states in the Persian Gulf would be willing to allow the Israel Air force to enter their airspace in order to reach Iran in case of an attack on its nuclear facilities, the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyasa reported on Sunday.
According to the report, a diplomat from one of the gulf states visiting Washington on Saturday said the three states, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates, have told the United States that they would not object to Israel using their airspace, despite their fear of an Iranian response.
Al-Siyasa further reported that NATO leaders are urging Turkey to open its airspace for an Attack on Iran as well and to also open its airports and borders in case of a ground attack.
According to a British diplomat who spoke to an Al-Siyasa correspondent, Turkey will not repeat the mistake it made in 2003, when it refused to open its airspace to U.S. Air Force overflights en route to attacking Iraq.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pm"
Dale, everybody except for you and Michael "Savage" Weiner have quit using the "islamofascist" word since the ignorant have been enlightened. Even Rush. In case you were out of the loop, we have rediscovered the definition of fascism. It is the marriage of government and business. As an example of fascism, you could look to the Bush neocon administration and the Halliburton billion-dollar ham sandwich concession, with the Vice President enjoying many thousands of stock options that grow with the value of his former company, the only contractor the neocon government claims can make ham sandwiches for our troops - no one else has the capability! The "islamofascists" have nothing to compare with the fascism that is taking place in the US.
Regarding Iran, the Iranian revolutionaries would have been much better off having Carter re-elected. He was a pussy president, right? Why would the Iranians have humiliated him, only to be faced with your heroic figure Reagan, who wouldn't take any crap from them? Barring an inside deal, which Bush, Sr has been suspected of brokering on the tarmac in Paris, it doesn't make any sense at all. With Carter in a second term, the Iranians could have continued to humiliate the US. Before the election, they could have feigned caving in to pressure from Carter and released a few hostages, and they could have thrown enough of a bone to get him reelected. So why did they choose to support Reagan - the tough guy - through their actions...and then be forced to let the hostages go after the election? You weren't born back then so you should check with your history books and people who were adults at the time before you start displaying your ignorance for all to see.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pmRick: You must listen to Rush and watch Fox more than I do .
When I do listen to the radio (which not the hours that Rush is on), I listen to NPR. And I dont have cable.
So much for your stereotyping.... what other lies about me do you want to tell?
Seeing how you're comfortable with slandering people you dont know, why should I take anything you say seriously?
February 25th, 2007 at 10:55 pmIslamic Jihad is the marriage of Islam to Warfare, Government and Business, and community, and international relations, and ...
Islamofascist is perfectly appropiate.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:56 pmThe way I remember it being reported was that it was sand in the engine air intakes of the helicopters that did the rescue mission in. The crash occured on the way out - as they were leaving. At the rendezvous point, at least one chopper was out of commission and many if not all of the others were obviously not going to make it through the mission. They had been flying low to keep below the Iranian radar, and their own propwash was churning the sand that was getting into the intake.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:03 pmIran becoming Islamic was a natural outcome of Bristish and U.S. contempt for their democratic elected government so that its oil resources could be continued to be harvest by British Petroleum. We overthrew their democratically elected governmnent and installed Shah as our boy who ruled Iran for 25 years in the style of Chilean dictator. Of course, we always like our dictators even while we pay lip service to democracy, which is code for corportacracy.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:08 pmBy all means, Vince, continue putting the "islamofascist" word in your diatribes. It helps people understand who you are and the level of your education.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:08 pmDidn't care for Carter. Compared to everyone, but Clinton, scince then, he was a brilliant President. Even his "bad move," cutting the B-1 bomber has been shown, with historical hindsight, to have been the correct one.
Add in ethics and courage. Head and shoulders above the phoney Republican warriors.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:10 pmVince--I just looked at your web page. Sadaam/ Bin Laden connection??? Come on--give that thinking up and come up to 2007. Everyone knows that reasoning was a lie. I just checked out the newspaper you cited re Arab states allowing Israeli's to use their air space to attack Iran. I couldn't find the article. I suspect it's made up as there was no link provided.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:10 pmTurkey, as were the Dixie Chicks, was right in its backing away from Bush.
Sorry Dale but you are an idiot! Don't you know that Bush 41 was holding back the release of the prisoners until Reagan was installed as the release had been negotiated while President Carter was still in power. What Bush senior did was treasonable but in the U.S. anything is fair in politics!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:19 pmoh Kevin, spare us the false emotions. Everyone on here is gnashing thier teeth because we got rid of a dictator.
Cant do anything right, no matter what we do.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:37 pmRick meet google,, google, rick:
No permission for Israel to cross Arab airspace to strike Iran
People's Daily Online, China - 3 hours ago
Arab League (AL) chief Amr Moussa on Sunday denied reports that Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Oman have agreed to allow Israeli warplanes to cross ...
Arab League refutes Israeli reports on using Arab airspace against ... Kuwait News Agency
all 7 news articles »
‘Gulf states to aid attack on Iran’
Daily Times, Pakistan - 5 hours ago
... on Saturday said Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates have told the United States that they would not object to Israel using their airspace, ...
3 Gulf states agree to IAF overflights en route to Iran
February 25th, 2007 at 11:40 pmJawa Report, TX - 6 hours ago
"Three Arab states in the Persian Gulf would be willing to allow the Israel Air force to enter their airspace in order to reach Iran in case of an attack on
Rick: take up the issue with ABC News if you think they filed a fake story back in 1999. The reason I have that video there is to demostrate that the notion that AQ and Iraq had connections preceded the Bush administration.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:42 pm[...] Watch the Video Carter [...]
February 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pmVince--I think the 911 Commission final report overrules the ABC 1999 report that demonstrates a "notion", not a fact. Remember those mobile biological labs found in Iraq that were actually sand toilets ? Bush loves to present questionable notions to fix his evidence as the Downing Street Memos revealed.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:02 amOnce again, Frank Rich hits the nail on the head.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022507C.shtml
February 26th, 2007 at 12:05 amRick: are you obtuse.... let me repeat myself..
The reason I have that video there is to demostrate that the notion that AQ and Iraq had connections preceded the Bush administration.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:08 amAnother Repub Pres, Eisenhower, overthrew the democratically elected President, Mossadegh, and installed a dictator, the Shah. The Shah was eventually overthrown. To blame Carter for these errors by the US is simply a lie.
A Repub lie, by the traitors who oppose democracy anywhere and everywhere!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:24 amVince, I just don't think you get it.
It doesn't matter if that supposed link was presented in 1999 or 2002/2003.Regardless, it was a lie.In 1999, Clinton was smart enough not to believe it and invade Iraq.
The difference is that Bush/Cheney et al presented that link, along with Fox News, as "fact". There was an interesting study presented in the movie "Outfoxed". A poll was done asking viewers of different news sources if there was a connection between 911 and Sadaam Hussein. Fox viewers overwhelmingly believed that link while Public Television's viewers overwhelmingly did not drink the kool aid .
In a similar vein, check out the video to witness Bush's sleaze.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=9%2F11+Press+For+Truth
February 26th, 2007 at 12:50 amYou can tell me it's a lie all you want.. I wasn't arguing that it was true. You keep arguing against a position I never made. Do you read what I write?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:55 amVince. Then why have you posted a lie on your site. You must believe something is there to have posted it.You spin like the White House. Don't spew the garbage that you have to present both sides of an argument. When one side is clearly false and has been disproven, it loses its right to be presented. Look at your own page. Everything that is on it gives a consistent bigoted message blindly supporting+justifying Bush's actions which have destroyed America's credibility in the world. I knew in 2003 Bush was lying. I look at person's character and consistency always shines through. . Based on how he was unelected twice, one can expect nothing but sleaze, lies, smoke and mirrors from him.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:12 amRick: I explained my reason twice already.
I can only talk to someone who insists on ignoring me for so long.. bye
February 26th, 2007 at 1:20 amVince P, the dum best catamite the right wingnuts have. No wonder they fcuk everything up they touch!
February 26th, 2007 at 2:56 amCarter has is right about Cheney, this man who uses the F word regularly, when discussing his opponents. Cheney is the most evil man in politics in the USA, he's a liar, and War Profitter, and a mass murder, He should be brought up in the Haig for War Crimes, against the entire world. He will be its just a matter of time. DICK CHENEY
February 26th, 2007 at 3:01 amHey vince what did reagan do when the marine barracks in beruit was bombed tough guy?>
February 26th, 2007 at 4:03 amThey will greet us as liberators. The insurgency is in its last throes.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:39 amIraq is an enormous success. These are all quotes from Dick Cheney.
None of them have panned out. He is a liar and war profiteer.
Iran went Islamic not because of Carter, but because of Republican approved CIA overthrow of Iran's only democratically elected leader in 1956. This occurred because Exxon and BP were angry since that leader nationalized Iran's oil to keep the profits where they belong, in Iraq. Vince P and others should read their history before blaming Carter for anything. Carter did more for energy independence than any president since. Instead, we've been military whores for the oil companies and are losing our American lives in an area we don't need to belong in.
February 26th, 2007 at 5:39 amHey Dale Reagan made a deal with the terrorists to have the hostages released in 1980. It is Carter that is the steadfast one. The Carter administration was the first to try to wean us off oil and that of course was resisted. We would be driving electric cars by now and have no need for arab oil had he been reelected.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:38 amWhy are neo-cons un-ameican?
February 26th, 2007 at 7:28 amCORRECTION! For the record, Carter did NOT say of Cheney, "He hasn’t been right on hardly anything.†Carter said, "He hasn’t been right on [pause] anything.â€
February 26th, 2007 at 7:54 amIt defies rationality that people should be attacking Carter.
Let's see... Iranian students took over the American embassy and
2 people died... a rescue attempt killed 26 people, was it?
Iran became an Islamic republic because the brutality of the American-imposed Shah was to severe that Iranians across the political spectrum
were sick of the brutality of the SAWAK --the Shah's secret police.
The hostages that were held are alive today and have Carter to thank for it. Iran has Reagan to thank for dealing with terrorists and working
a deal behind the scenes with the ayatollahs... Remember James Baker
going secretly to negotiate with Ayatollah Khomeni with a birthday cake and a Bible... (it doesn't get weirder than that)!
Carter was a GREAT American president... and he's been GREAT ever since.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:19 amThe morons who are dissing Carter on this site are the type of war-mongers and war-lovers who can never say "no" to blowing people up.
What they don't understand is that every time you blow someone up...
you get blow-back in your own face... 9/11 was a minute little bit of pay-back for incessant American meddling in the internal affairs of the middle east. Considering what horrors we've caused in the middle east in order
to get the oil there... I'd say that 9/11 was payback to the order of 1 cent to the dollar. But critics of Carter think other people around the world
are supposed to allow American to use coups to install pro-American-business dictators, steal their natural resources, and threaten their people --and critics of Carter believe that the people in these other countries are supposed to be passive while America usurps power and steals resources. That's why these Carter critics are angry... they cannot abide the notion that people will fight back when they are being exploited by US business interests. (One thing of thousands of things that critics of Carter do not understand is that the interests of US corporations IS NOT THE SAME as the interests of the American people... believe me! ExxonMobil will just as happily screw you Carter critics out of an additional dollar for a gallon of gas as they will screw a German, a Brit or a Japanese).
#55 - Dale, I was working with bad info about then-Diretor Bush, but you're working with false info about the sale of arms to Iran that Pres. Reagan was responsible for:
"The affair connected two quite disparate matters; on the one hand was arms sales to Iran, and on the other funding of Contra militants in Nicaragua. Direct funding had been made illegal through the Boland Amendment. The affair emerged when a Lebanese newspaper reported that the U.S. sold arms to Iran in exchange for the release of hostages by Hezbollah. Emails sent by Oliver North to John Poindexter support this.[6] However, the then Israeli ambassador to the U.S. claims that the reason was to establish links with elements of the military in Iran. Moreover, the arms sales apparently were underway already by 1980.[7] It is also noteworthy that the Contras did not receive all of their finances from arms sales, but also through drug trafficking of which the US was found to be aware."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
Maybe you should get YOUR facts straight, dumb-a$$.
Maybe if you didn't cherry-pick you information, AND ADMIT WHEN YOU'RE PATENTLY WRONG, you'd be considered something other than the neo-con water-boy that you are.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:21 amCarter's just stating the obvious. Just compare the two. Carter has done more good than any 10 men whereas Cheney has done more harm than any 10 men. Carter tells the truth. Cheney always distorts or lies worse than a used car salesman; what an embarrassment. Book him Danno.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:09 amThe greatest achievement of Carter was the election of the greatest President of my lifetime, Ronald Reagan who ushered in the renewal of our economy and military.
February 26th, 2007 at 10:14 amThe President who allowed Iran to become an Islamic Republic and did nothing in their invasion of our embassy
Comment by Vince P #1
...is STILL (and always will be) a BETTER, more globally revered, and respected PRESIDENT and HUMAN-BEING...
...than the two TRAITORS, mass murderers and war profiteers (Bushiva and L'il Dick) that you worship...
...Jimmy Carter is a GREAT HUMANITARIAN...
...a Nobel PEACE Prize winner...
...and your dumb Bush ballickin' a*s can't change that...
...any YOUR gods Bushiva and L'il Dick will go down in history as POLAR OPPOSITES of the GREATNESS of Jimmy Carter...
February 26th, 2007 at 11:51 amSo Vince, who do you have fighting over there for your cause? Why aren't you over there? You could go civilian if your too old. Do you have grandkids/kids that you are encouraging to sign up? You believe strongly in the cause, so just who/what exactly are you contributing besides the typical repug troll rhetoric?
February 26th, 2007 at 11:59 amCheney's a fun guy, and I love to hear from him. Ever since he shot his friend in the face and went for a meal without even accompanying him to the hospital I've realized that our vice president is very, very special. Next I want him to tell us what we can do to make taxpayer donations to Halliburton even more streamlined.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComment by Vince P #132
...and may you forget who YOU are...
...like he forgot who HE was...
...only may it happen to YOU...
...a lot sooner...
February 26th, 2007 at 12:05 pmWho Vince? Who have you sacrificed for your cause? Are you just another chicken sh_t chickenhawk who knows nothing but hate and war?
Who have you lost? When are you shipping out?
You know, if we leave Iraq (and we may have to without you there), those guys are gonna crawl up out of their caves and catch United Airlines flights to the US to attack us...only reason they haven't been able to attack us is because we have the "contained" in Iraq, right?
When you heading over?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:16 pmEverybody please listen,
Carter is a descent human being. He tried all negotiations possible but along the way the republicans always blew up his effort to free the hostages. There has been deals betweem mullahs hard liners and republicans to delay the negotiations for freeing the hostages specifically to discredit Jimmy Carter and win the presidential election, which they did.
You can go back and read the news then regarding Republican agents having meeting with mullahs in Germany.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:16 pmVince, you big pussy, where'd you go, no comment?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:21 pmVince says "oh Kevin, spare us the false emotions. Everyone on here is gnashing thier teeth because we got rid of a dictator.
Cant do anything right, no matter what we do."
So Vince, does that mean that we'll be invading ourselves soon to get rid of that cowboy wannabe dictator that we have?
And Vince, please read the definition of a conservative, "the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change" as opposed to the definition of a liberal, "marked by generosity : OPENHANDED b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way c : AMPLE, FULL; not literal or strict : LOOSE
5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms." Now which do you want to be intellecturally associated with. We would still be saying "God Save the Queen" if it wasn't for liberals. Conservatives are a drag on culture, science and advancement. Name me five accomplishments of conservatism in the United States? I'll give you five liberal accomplishments: 1) Woman's right to vote, 2) Civil Rights, 3) Social Security/Medicare, 4) Dept. of Education, 5) Dept. of Energy. There are countless others, all forward thinking, all good for the whole. Conservatives believe in Social Darwinism and as a result of their "let them eat cake" values, we breed a culture of haves and have nots. Conservatives complain about immorality, breakdown of traditions and crime, yet their very economics and beliefs cause them. Most are against birth control, sex education, public assistance programs and then wonder why there is gang voilence, robberiesand other crimes. Conservatives think that any effort to change America, to try things to make it better, ais unamerican. Conservatives think they are more patriotic then liberals yet when it comes to war, it's the poor, overwhelmingly democratic kids who get killed while the conservative chickenhawks stay at home and run the propaganda machine like Fox. It's hysterical to note the number of conservative "so-called leaders and media" failed to do service for their country when they were asked to but now sit in judgment of who has the most patriotism with those that did service.
Vince: If you're stupid ass is still sitting in front of a computer tying those dumb ass, narrow minded comments, turn off the computer and go to your nearest recruitment office. They'lll send you to a place where like other Republicans, you'll get a chance to drive that Hummer you always wanted to so as to offset the smallish phalleic profile that you probably have. Then after serving three tours there and if you live, drag your sorry ass back here and then sit in judgement of who is unamerican and who is not.
One last thing, check the number of divorces, the educational levels and the rankings of schools in the United States. You will find that in terms of educational, income levels and any other measurement of cultural and social success, the highest ranked states are almost all Blue, and that the bottom ranked are almost all red. So, if that doesn't bother you, then sit back, drink your Pabst beer and continue watching the Sun rotate around this flat earth, you idiot.
By the way, if by some small chance you did go to college, I would sue them for their complete failure to teach you anything.
"
February 26th, 2007 at 12:22 pmPresident Carter Rips Cheney Over Iraq...
President Jimmy Carter has gone on the record as saying Cheney’s charges against Nancy Pelosi are off the mark, and that Cheney's track record of believability is really bad....
February 26th, 2007 at 12:22 pmGo on Vince, if you hurry, you can enslist with Fathead Rove's jobless, uesless, futureless certainly fathead son...he's 17 and never worked a day in his life on anything, military discipline is EXACTLY what he need.
Jeez, even the Brits are sending in Prince Harry! Half of America would fall over in heart failure if a Bush/Cheney/Addington or Rove ever actually went to battle.
When you shipping out Vince? Surely you can guard convoy's or hand out $127,689 Haliburton Ham Sandwiches?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:30 pmDang, Vince must have had to leave for his high paying factory job the Bushie Admin's economy has created....assembling Big Macs and Quarter Pounders....don't forget the special sauce Vince!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:35 pmJimmy Carter the worst prez of all time.Why would anyone listen to him?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:42 pmBesides Vince, you shouldn't be frightened, things in Iraq are going swimmingly, the enemy is in the throes of defeat, the parades for us liberators are sure to start any day now, dancing in the streets.
Heck, you can be liberator parade organizer? You could probably squeeze out a couple billion budget just for that???
February 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pmRuss: Why in the name of your politics do you think it's right to deny my rights to speech and why are againt civilian control of the military?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:48 pmWHere did I go? um.. my job.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:49 pmRuss: the constant themes in your comments are
- your hatred of people you disagree with
- your selfishness
- your cowardace
Lilliputians like you b&m a lot, but really have nothing to add.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI'm not denying your rights to speech, just questioning your overwhelming stupidity.
I didn't say ANYTHING about civilian control of the military...more evidence of your confusion I assume.
I ask "What is your direct contribution to the war in Iraq since you believe/support it so vehemently?"
February 26th, 2007 at 12:53 pmWhat's your contribution Vince? Besides your votes for what will go down in history as the worst set of corrupt Repugs/Admin in history.
What's your contribution to the war in Iraq?
Your correct, I do hate Dick Cheney, Bush, Addington, Rove and all the other traitors to America (including you if you fall into that category).
I'm surprised you haven't brought up Clinton's BJ, it's normally the only talking point you guys have. Thank god Cheney has never had one so the country is still secure.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:00 pmRuss: None of your business what I do. In any case, my argument's validity are not dependent upon my behavior. So I see you can't discuss things factually and instead switch the topic to me personally. So you lose.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:00 pmActually Vince, your losing, you lost in the elections and still haven't figured it out.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:02 pm#90 -- Yeah, our botched attempted rescue of the hostages was a dark day, for sure. I do seem to recall President Carter going on TV that night and taking full responsibility for the disaster (even though it obviously wasn't his fault). It is unimaginable that W. or Cheney would ever show the same kind of class. Carter wasn't the best President but at least he possessed dignity, a sense of responsibility, and genuine compassion -- three things utterly lacking in the Chimp-In-Chief & Company. These guys refuse to take responsibility for anything.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:18 pmI find it interesting the number of people that worship Pres. Reagan's rising deficits and massive debt.
I guess these people don't mind future generations paying for their excesses.
Pres. Clinton was the only one that re-introduced surplus budgets. It was the Republican controlled congress that refused to use that surplus to begin paying off the debt. "Your tax dollars" stopped being "yours" when Pres. Reagan, Pres. Bush (Sr.), (for a very short time) Pres. Clinton, and the entire span of Pres. Bush's (Jr.) budgets show deficit spending.
"Your tax dollars" are not being used to secure this country financially. It's China that's supporting our country by buying all our debt. Thanks a lot, Pres. Reagan, for selling the US to China!
February 26th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThe "american hatingness" label does not apply to those critical of the Iraq war. I am an old man and love this country, BUT I have lost respect for those who have brought shame to the once admired country the USA was. The aggressive bunch who are defined by the Project for the New American Century are irresponsible bullies drunk with power and who, like Obama and Carter said have not been correct in any of the calls they have made since questionably coming to power by being selected and not elected in 2000.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:37 pm#153, excellent point. Carter's biggest fault was he was to nice of a guy. People forget that it was an oil embargo that caused large gas lines and sky high interest rates, things that Carter couldn't control because he wasn't having incest with the Arob oil barons like the Bush family and Reagan did. 30 years later, you still have Republicans driving Hummers, getting nine miles to the gallon and asking poor kids to go to the middle east and die so that they can protect their right to own a hummer. Anybody that wants to own a hummer should be made to go to Iraq to test drive it, including rich bitches with big hair.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:51 pmJimmy Carter a "great humanitarian?"
"Jimmy Carter a "great American President?"
"The hostages that were held are alive today & have Carter to thank for it?"
"Add in ethics and courage. Head and shoulders above the phoney Republican warriors?"
Just which Jimmy Carter are you people talking about? There must be more than one.
The Jimmy Carter I know produced double-digit inflation, unemployment & interest rates; a phenonenon thought to be impossible by even LIBERAL economists.
Burt Lance comes to mind. You know, as in "Lancegate?" One of Carter's big buddies.
Carter was courageous when he claimed to have warded off a rabbit attack while paddling a canoe. One of a kind heroism.
My personal favorite though was when Carter appeared on TV & told us all to wear cardigan sweaters INSIDE our own houses because America no longer had the ability to heat our homes. Damn what a man! Charge!
You know, you're right. Can't imagine why he was not re-elected. And it was so close! A real cliff-hanger. (What was it? 49-1, or was that Mondale? I never can remember.)
February 26th, 2007 at 2:18 pmJohn Kemp, surely you are not inviting a listing of Republican corruption, current and past? There's not enough bandwidth on the Internet to accomodate that effort.
Do you happen to know where the $27 to $40 Billion currently un-accounted for has gone in Iraq? What about all the treasures that were stolen during our initial occupation? What about the planes full of Saddam's cash that flew out and mysteriously dissappeared at the beginning of the war?
What about all the Iraq re-construction projects that were completely BS or in the least half-ass done and grossly overcharged.
This is a war that was based on completely false pretenses, indisputably false pretenses now fact and is a war for profit and control of oil. This is not because of the valent, moral America coming to the rescue of the Democracy hungry Muslims.
Cmon dude, pull your head out.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:44 pm#157, Apparently you don't read very well, because I just outlined the reason for the high interest rates, a-hole. There was a frickin oil embargo and the american auto industry was putting out gas guzzlers so again, idiots like you, who think they can drive hummers until all the earth's resources are used up, caused the embargo. Carter constantly warned us about having the Oil Industry with their feet on their throat.
And, in e: to the wearing sweaters comment, at least that made more sense than the Bush Homeland Security team telling us to "use duct tape" to keep out toxic poisons", you idiot.
And whewwww, Lancegate, yea, that's something everyone is familiar with. That was huge compared to Watergate, Iran-Contra Gate, Plamegate, Enron and all those other frickin republican scandals. How many congreemen went to jail because of Lancegate? How many democratic congress have been indicted or convicted compared to republicans. That just shows what an idiot you are to bring up such a small burp in ehtics (Lancegate) compared to those Iceberg scandals that the Republicans have been caught in the past 30 years. Mention Plamegate or Iraq and the conservatives start shouting White-Water or , err, Lancegate". You people are incedible. And as for the rabbit, at least Carter didn't make his travel plans and state visits affter consulting with an Astrologer. You people are incredible, great revisionists of history and fact.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:45 pmDale-
February 26th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThe Iranians released the hostages because Reagan negotiated with terrorists (REMEMBER IRAN-CONTRA?) Carter wouldn't do it. You could take the best of Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 and they wouldn't amount to a hair on Carter's ass. He is truly a great American, unlike Bush who trashes the middle class at every turn. The middle class is AMERICA! When they're gone, America will surely follow. Also remember that Ronnie backed a Marxist dictator in Central America.
#159 -- Better a president who seeks the wisdom of astrologers than a president who seeks the wisdom of Pat Robertson ...
February 26th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWell, almost.
When listing "scandals," I always find Waco TX amazingly left out - you remember, right? When Clinton & Janet Reno for no reason firebombed dozens of innocent women & children which of course led one year later to the OK CIty bombing?
Watergate is unquestionably the most overblown "event" in modern history, and certainly unlike Chappaquidick, Vince Foster & Waco, no one died.
Just like to keep the historical record straight.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pmRonald reagan is responsible for the jihadists of today...
...he funded Bin Laden and his group in during his term...
...in a counter to the then Soviet Union...
...the SU went bankrupt bec of Afghanistan (and the Bin Laden group)...
...now it looks like the Russians have a chance (and are taking it) to return the "favor" in Iraq and Afghanistan...
...now who's being bankrupted?
...so THANKS Ronnie Raygun...helluva job...
February 26th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe vice president is in his last throes. Let him say whatever stupid things he wants tosay.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmernieson: i have a hard time respecting people's opinion when it comes packaged in cliches... especially cliches that go back decades.
You might be ashamed that this country took action to bring down a dictator who was a global threat and in the process offer the glimmer of hope for a better life to the Iraqis, but I'm proud that we did. That some arabs are fighting so hard to prevent stability makes me even more resolved to stay there and fight them for surely they are willing to pay a heavy price for thier agenda, it must be pretty significant agenda they have in mind. (they being the arabs)
February 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pmHow about the JImmy Carter who complained there were too many Jews on a holocaust related board of directors.
Or the Jimmy Carter who calls Israel an apartheid state.
February 26th, 2007 at 3:59 pmDale,
"The Iranians released the hostages because Reagan negotiated with terrorists (REMEMBER IRAN-CONTRA?) Carter wouldn’t do it."
The Iranians released their hostages which had been held for 444 days during the Carter administration on the day Reagan became President for his first term. "Iran Contra" occurred during Reagan's second term.
"Also remember that Ronnie backed a Marxist dictator in Central America."
I assume you are referring to Daniel Ortega whom Democrat Congressmen frequently brought to the US & took on shopping sprees. Reagan hated Ortega, as his did all communists, & Reagan backed Ortega's overthrow which is part of what "Iran Contra" was all about.
I have always been amazingly disappointed at Democrat love-ins with dictators; Castro, Ortega, Chavez, Akmadinejad, etc. Never could quite understand it.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pmfinally someone saying it like it is , great work and words president carter, keep up the good work of getting the truth out there
February 26th, 2007 at 4:10 pmgreat work and words president carter,keep up the good work and words of getting the truth out there
February 26th, 2007 at 4:12 pmJack: I love how the Lefties expect everyone to quake at the mention of Iran-Contra.
It gets a big yawn from me.
So they sold some weapons in Iran to support anti-communist fighters in central america. they act like those weapons were like some magical force that kept Iran alive. I do note that the kidnappings in lebanon did stop.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmToo bad the US didn't have another Canal that Jimmy could give away.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pmTerry B:
"Apparently you don’t read very well, because I just outlined the reason for the high interest rates, a-hole. There was a frickin oil embargo and the american auto industry was putting out gas guzzlers so again, idiots like you, who think they can drive hummers until all the earth’s resources are used up, caused the embargo. Carter constantly warned us about having the Oil Industry with their feet on their throat."
Not quite sure what you mean. The original oil embargo occurred in 1973 when Nixon was President; the 1979 oil crisis resulted from Khomeni's takover in Iran and was exacerbated by Carter's price controls. Carter's installation of a woodstove & solar panels at the White House amazingly proved insufficient in combatting the fuel shortage.
Not quite sure how gas guzzlers like Hummers (I drive an old pick-up truck) could drive up interest, inflation AND unemployment to DOUBLE-DIGIT levels at the SAME time, but I stake no claim at being a rocket scientist.
Sincerely,
A-hole (aka - idiot)
February 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmRuss,
"Do you happen to know where the $27 to $40 Billion currently un-accounted for has gone in Iraq?"
Maybe it's in William Jefferson's freezer?
February 26th, 2007 at 4:47 pm"The greatest achievement of Carter was the election of the greatest President of my lifetime, Ronald Reagan who ushered in the renewal of our economy and military."
You could skip everything else he's posted.
February 26th, 2007 at 5:52 pmThis quote explains everything -
he belives trickle down and star wars worked.
I wonder how much money Congress has wasted on Non-binding resolutions?
February 26th, 2007 at 5:55 pmStar Wars did work. The Soviets thought we could do it, and made themselves go broke trying to counter it.
February 26th, 2007 at 6:18 pmAfter reading what many of the Righties have to say here, all I can do is shake my head and think: WHAT F-ING PLANET have these people been living on?????? The current Admin (Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld) have got NOTHING Right. NOTHING. PERIOD. The lot of them must have a collective IQ of less than room temprature. Fool 'em once.... Can't get fooled again, to paraphrase your dim-bulb leader. My Dear Right-Wingers... the World is NOT FLAT... even if the Talking Points say that it is... The Sun does NOT Rise in the West....
February 26th, 2007 at 7:59 pmIt's easy to blame people with the 20/20 clarity of hindsight. It's especially easy for Democrats to blame Republicans because the Democrats have yet to propose anything on how they will fight the Jihad. As if obstructing the government is a plan somehow.
Where are teh Democrat ideas, so that they can be evaulatated? Oh there aren't any.
Until you people start contributing to the solution, you have no right to criticize those who are trying.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:24 pmIf what you mean by "trickle down" is full employment, negligible inflation, low interest rates, record-setting home ownership, record-setting stock market participation, record Dow Jones averages and small-business start-ups reaching new levels each & every year, I'd say that it worked pretty well.
Star wars? Certainly the greatest foreign policy initiative in American history; the fall of a monstrous communist empire which had enslaved millions of Eastern Europeans for decades and which had kept Kennedy, Johnson & Carter "shaking in their boots" during their administrations, without the firing of a single pistol shot? Yeah, I'd say that worked pretty well too.
Much better than peeing in your pants while two of our helicopters crashed together in Iran while you were trying to abort their mission. The sixty imprisoned & abused American soldiers in Iran that Carter did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help for 444 days probably wished "star wars" had come along sooner.
We could use more "trickle downing" & "star warring" & a whole lot less of Jimmy Carter's heroism & economic guidance.
Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize? Give me a damn break.
February 26th, 2007 at 8:50 pmA solution would be to just say 'no' to this adminstrations selling out of america, no to sending anymore troops, no to additional funding, repealing the miserable deeds done by the previous congress, and demanding that attention be paid to the results of the November elections, demanding that the people of this country be listened to, ignore the lobbyists and their very special interests (money), get on with investigating the crimes commited by this administration and previous congressional members. It's a no-brainer, very simple.
February 26th, 2007 at 9:32 pmAnd what of the Jihad?
February 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pmErrr...
From a distance (Australia) it is very interesting watching Americans go at each others throat :)
We just had the misfortune of a visit from your beloved VP and he managed to upset many people here without saying a word!
All he had to do was drive down the street of Sydney (one of our biggest cties for those that don't study geography) and for this seemingly inocuous action, the authorities deemed it necessary to close most of the city AND the harbour bridge.
All so that one man can go around telling mistruths! Idon't think so :(
February 26th, 2007 at 11:29 pmFor those who doubt Carter, and what he did to facilitate the rescue of the Iran hostages, read Col. Charles Alvin Beckwith's book about Delta Force. He insists that Carter was on top of the situation the entire time and that he gave Beckwith complete control of the mission. If i recall correctly Carter said develop a plan, tell me when you are going in, and if anything goes wrong I got your back and I will take all the flak for it. Which he has continued to do to this day.
Carter Rulez!!!
February 27th, 2007 at 5:42 amCarter is right, and, Cheney has been wrong about foreign policy
forever. Cheney was one of the idiots who wanted to build nuclear
reactors for the Shah!
"The Shah is our ally". The Shah was YOUR ally. OBL was YOUR ally.
Saddam was YOUR ally. Karimov is YOUR ally. I get so sick of these
idiots saying their stupidity at the time was justified because someone
was supposedly "our" ally. Hey chump, "YOUR" ally.
What national security strategy formulator who loves America
February 27th, 2007 at 12:12 pmwouldnt give all the tea in China to have Mossadegh back.
Its the same idiots, folks, stupid time and time again.
Err, John Kemp, I don't know if you like fell through the cracks of the public education system or you are just pretending to be that damn dumb. Who do you think felt the aftermath of the 1973-1974 oil embargo? The following administration. It's funny that if the country has a poor economy on a Republican's watch, it's the prior administration's (Clinton's) fault but if it happens on a Democrats watch, it's because of the that administration. Again, Republican hypercrites, you can't have it both ways. In 1978, OPEC raised the price of oil 50%; the U.S. had to pay an extra $20 billion. Now take your little mouse thinig that came with the puter and look up the 1979 oil crisis and it's impact on our economy, you moron. Now, take a few brain cells, if you have any to spare and imagine the impact of that on interest rates. And the reason that I brought up Hummers is because it's the upper middle class and their insistence to use every resource on this planet in their lifetime, which are Hummer drivers as well as Escalades, Navigators and all the other land "ships" that are exhausting these resources.
Now, as far Carter. the person, I believe he, unlike the chickenhawk we have in office, served and completed his service as a Naval officer for 7 yrs. Carter has worked since leaving office for world peace and human rights. Please don't try to drag a person like that into the gutter with the likes of a party that has produced the likes of Calvin Cooledge, Herbert Hoover, Joseph McCarthy, Spiro Agnew, Richard Nixon, Neil Bush, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Mark Foley, Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham, Jack abrahmoff, Karl Rove, Ron Zieglar, John Mitchell, Caspar Weinberger, John Haldeman, Oliver North, Gordon Libby and the hundreds of other crooked Republicans. As it was commented before me, there isn't anough bandwidth to outline all the Republican scandals and rememeber, it's the conservatives and Republicans who alledge to have the moral hhigh ground, nothing but hypercrites.
The country that you and the Bushies are trying to change the U.S. too is not the America that my father fought for in WWII. It's more like the country that he fought against. You want a fascist theorcracy so I suggest you emigrate to Iran, it will be more to your liking. You won't have to worry about dissenters, the "liberal press" or moral decline. You'll need to do that if that is what you want, because it was liberals, progressive thinking, that founded this country and it's been the middle and lower classes of this country who have fought the wars to preserve it and we are not about to allow a bunch of narrow-minded, greedy, bottom dwelling, authoritarian elitists chicken hawks steal our country. Do yourself a favor, read a book or newspaper now and again. The world goes through changes and tings don't stay static, unlike a conservatives thought process.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:30 pmJ. Kemp & P. Vince -
So -
you believe that bluffing is a valid forgien policy?
"Star Wars did work. The Soviets thought we could do it, and made themselves go broke trying to counter it."
"When Gorbachev's key scientific advisor told him that SDI was not viable, Gorbachev saw no point in making it a bone of contention. In other words, when the Soviets took SDI seriously, as Reagan had hoped, it only caused Gorbachev to be less willing to engage in serious arms reduction agreements."
"The Reagan-era defense buildup did contribute to ending the Cold War, but the causal connection is more indirect than described in the conventional wisdom...The Soviet Union never increased its military spending to match the rate of the Reagan buildup and hence avoided exacerbating the defense burden on the Soviet economy."
Fear of a rocket shooting laser didn't cause the collapse of the U.S.S.R. -
that is ridiculous, our Pres. posturing in Germany didn't cause the collapse either -
very simplistic, black and white, thinking to explain such a massive global struggle.
(Ignore reality while burying your head in rhetoric.)
"Millions upon millions of soldiers, refugees, diplomats, activists, saboteurs, reformers, union members both behind the iron curtain and in the west, intellectuals, freethinkers, environmentalists, protesters, writers, artists, most of all innocent bystanders, and on and on and on, of ALL political stripes (even communists themselves) fought, agitated, where tortured and died in the battle of attrition to bring down the dark age known as communism. "
A long struggle caused the breakup of the U.S.S.R. along with the concept of a "correlation of forces." -
but that would take a more complicated view of an intricate society,
stick with your laser theory,
ignore that they were in the red long before the arms race because the U.S.S.R. bankrupted itself over many issues and over many years, Gorbachevs appointment, his reforms, glasnost, perestroika, democratisation, ethnic unrest, economic inefficiency, historical atrocities, the war in Afghanistan, Chernobyl, formation of NATO, the Marshall Plan, the Truman Doctrine, the Berlin Airlift, subversive activities, Pope John Paul II, Lech Walesa, high oil prices of the 1970s, backward industrial base, Reagans masive spending which dramatically increasing the U.S. federal deficit, SDI (it played a part in falsely demonstrating U. S. technological superiority), the Reagan administration’s support for the mujahideen (that's working out great), drastic fall in the price of oil in the 1980s, grassroots activity, an "inefficient internal mechanism that sold goods to its people at a price that had no relationship to the cost of development, manufacture, and distribution", lost touch with the workers, -
"Reagan contributed positively to the end of the Cold War, but his role was just one of several essential factors and his positive contributions were not always the result of taking a hard-line stance." (Jeffrey W. Knopf), -
support for a military buildup pre-dated Reagan coming to office, Reagan increased our risk of going to war because of the massive arms build-up (not the opposite), protest on behalf of peace and arms control, the peace movements of the 1980's (succeeded in moderating Western policy in a strategy of reciprocity) -
failure to integrate computer technology into their economy, rising alcoholism, -
and you're claiming it was a laser,
should I go on?
"If you're talking about inflicting sheer military and economic costs, Hitler did far, far more damage than Reagan..."
Saddam and Iraq...etc...on ans on...
"Communism failed because communism is a failure...notice how little they talk about communism now that they have terrorist bogeymen to replace it!"
RightWing history:
"We must arm the Taliban! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must arm Iraq! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must go to Beruit! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must flee Beruit! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must bomb Iraq! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must not assist the enemies of Saddam as they're slaughtered! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must fight drug lords by arming drug lords! Disagree and you're a traitor! Bush must go to Somolia! Disagree and you're a traitor! Clinton must leave Somolia immediately! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must not go to Rwanda! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must blame Clinton for Rwanda! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must not bomb Bin Laden, that distracts from Clinton's sex life! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must be nice to Sudan even though it's harboring Bin Laden, we have oil companies there! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must not fight Milosovich! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must bomb China, Vietnam, the entire third world, no wait, we must export our jobs there! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must never apologize to China, I'm sorry, China! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must send foreign aid to the Taliban! Disagree and you're a traitor! I failed to stop the Taliban from attacking us, it's all YOUR fault! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must invade North Korea! No, we must invade Iraq! The rebels we allowed to be slaughtered will help us! We'll all be dancing in the streets within days! Disagree and you're a traitor! We must invade Syria and Iran, no, never mind! We WILL find WMD, but we never said Iraq had WMD! Disagree and you're a traitor! The UN is evil, evil, evil, hey, why won't the UN to send us cannon fodder? Disagree and you're a traitor! Did I call you an axis of evil, Iran and North Korea? Sorry, that was only because you couldn't threaten me with WMD at the time!"
Jimmy Carter is finally calling their bluff...
Would you like to go over "tricle down" next?
How Reagan tripled the national debt.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pmHow his policy had nothing at all to do with conservatism.
George Bush was right, -
Reaganomics was all "smoke and mirrors" based on "other people's money."
WOW, Terry B. & davidbkk,
February 27th, 2007 at 6:03 pmWOW, Terry B. & davidbkk,
At the risk of bordeom, let me explain something to you.
In 1976, I was a HUGE Jimmy Carter supporter; contributing to his campaign, trying to convince my friends & co-workers of his potential & even visiting his damn peanut farm in Plains, GA. I thought that Carter was "providential;' having been sent to us for delivery from the Watergate era.
In four short years, I "morphed" into a Republican conservative with no hesitation. Carter was "on top of the hostage situation," just as he was "on top" of the economy; that was his PROBLEM. He had absolutely zero management skills & could not delegate cleaning of the toilet to a subordinate which of course was his main weakness. The only person in the Carter entourage who knew what he was doing was Brother Billy who spent most of his waking hours drinking "Billy beer" & urinating on the White House lawn.
You people can bloviate all you want; you have no idea what you are talking about. Reagan made more decisions in a day having had two naps than Carter did in a month. Whoever wrote "paralasis of analysis" knew Carter pretty well.
The number of communist countries increased during each decade of the twentieth century until the one begining in 1980. During Reagan's eight years, the number of communist countries ACTUALLY declined.
The deficit, which is the only thing you amateurs can hang your hat on, was caused by the Congressional Democrat geniuses that Reagan had to work with; George Mitchell, Tip O'Neill, "Scoop" Jackson, etc. Reagan's legend is all the more remarkable because of the morons he had to work with.
"Revisionism" is a hallmark of Democrats. As Lincoln said, "you can fool most of the people some of the time." I hate to tell you, but you are not fooling me.
Not to confuse you with facts, a disease for which you evidently are terminally afflicted, but you might just possibly ask yourselves how Carter could go from 297 electoral votes in 1976 to 49 in 1980. Believe me, if you are anywhere close to my age (55), it ain't too difficult to figure out.
Wake the hell up & smell the damn coffee. If you lack the damn sense to get in out of the rain, buy an umbrella. Quit blaming the rest of us because you're always wet.
February 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pmHey John -
well thought out reply,
had about as muck content as you last three.
Take it easy
February 28th, 2007 at 8:44 amSorry bat Terry mad me laugh wit his bad gramm-er rips...
February 28th, 2007 at 8:46 amWOW, Terry B. & davidbkk,
Thanks for your replies. Enjoyed our conversation. Seriously.
I'm sure we'll "talk" again.
Regards,
John Kemp
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