Hersh: Bush Administration Conducting ‘Very Aggressive’ Special Operations Inside Iran
Hersh: Bush Administration Conducting ‘Very Aggressive’ Special Operations Inside Iran
Appearing on CNN’s Late Edition to discuss his new article, “The Redirection,” Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh warned that the Bush administration is “very far along” in its plans for a war with Iran.
Among the other highlights from the interview:
– Hersh said U.S. special forces and intelligence operatives have been conducting a lot of “very aggressive” activities inside Iran on the border of Iraq.
– Inside the military, they are planning “a 24 hour package” — that is, a plan to operationalize a strike on Iran within 24 hours of Bush’s order.
– Noting Bush’s steadfast refusal to talk with Iran, Hersh said, “Maybe we just have to really listen to what he is saying. And I don’t know what can stop him because he is president.”
Watch it:
Transcript:
BLITZER: And joining us now from Cairo, Sy Hersh. The article entitled, “The Redirection.” Sy, let me read one line from it. You wrote, “The Iran planning group has been handed a new assignment, to identify targets in Iran that may be involved in supplying or aiding militants in Iraq. Previously, the focus had been on the destruction of Iran’s nuclear facilities and possible regime change.” Based on all your reporting, how far along are U.S. military plans for a war with Iran?
HERSH: Well, of course, they’re very far along. They have been studying this forever. They’re constantly redesigning, retooling, but right now, as I wrote, the new — look, it’s pretty obvious what’s going on. In the last month or so, the president has been talking more and more about cross- border attacks and more and more about Iranian interference and threatening American lives. So it’s not surprising they would fine-tune the targeting to after suspected training sites et cetera across the border and inside Iran. That’s just normal, I think.
BLITZER: And you write that already, some special operations forces, some U.S. intelligence forces have crossed the line and have gone into Iran. Is that right?
HERSH: Oh, yes, that’s been happening for months. There’s been a lot of very aggressive cross-border activity. It’s more than just casual. There has been a lot of — of jumping over the border, chasing bad guys, or people we think are bad guys. That’s been going on quite a bit.
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BLITZER: And this is what the new defense secretary, Robert Gates, said on February 15th. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DEFENSE SECRETARY ROBERT M. GATES: We are not, you know, for the umpteenth time, we are not looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran. We are not planning a war with Iran.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: All right, that’s the Pentagon statement and the statement from Robert Gates. What do you say?
HERSH: Well, I guess Mr. Cheney, the vice president, did not get that message, because the other day in Australia, he once again publicly renewed the fact that all options are on the table, and pretty much made another strong threat against the Iranians.
It’s very possible, Wolf, that some of this is simply games being played by the administration that is simply designed to increase the political pressure on Iran, to jack it up. And a lot of this may be agitprop, propaganda. But inside the military, they are planning very seriously, at the president’s request, to attack Iran. And as I wrote in the article, one of the assignments they’d been given, contingency assignments — there is no operational order, no order to hit anything — but one of the contingency assignments would enable the president to at 2:00 in the afternoon say, “I want to hit,” and within 24 hours, targets would be struck — a 24-hour package.
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HERSH: You know, I have been writing the same story for a year, sort of like I would call up my friends and say, it is Chicken Little, you know, the sky is falling, in the last year.
And now, obviously, it seems to be much more serious. It is much more intent. My own instinct is, Wolf, that this president is not going to leave office without doing something about Iran. And he could always negotiate, it is always on the table. And he keeps on refusing to negotiate. He keeps on saying he will not. And he keeps on talking tough. And maybe we just have to really listen to what he is saying. And I don’t know what can stop him because he is president.
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Bush is predictable. He does exactly the opposite of what he says he’s going to do.
I saw this interview. CNN seems to be stepping up their crdibility factor by actually offering credible sources who use facts and evidence to support the information.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pmLAURA !!! YOU GOTTA DO IT, GIRL !!!
YOU GOTTA STOP YOUR CRAZY HUSBAND ! NOW !!!
MAKE HIM STOP !!!
February 25th, 2007 at 1:28 pmDon’t let these nazi lunatics have our sons and daughters. Period.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:29 pmWhat can stop Bush? Let’s see, IMPEACHMENT would do the trick. A military coup would do the trick. How about sending the twins on an all expense paid vacation to Iran?
February 25th, 2007 at 1:35 pmBush lover Seixon to appear and attempt to debunk Hersh in 3..2..1…
February 25th, 2007 at 1:36 pmWhere are the gun carrying schitzophrenics when you need them?
February 25th, 2007 at 1:37 pmImagine the scenario when the Iranians are attacked and they end up responding by killing Americans with missiles that Oliver North gave to them in the 1980’s.
-GSD
February 25th, 2007 at 1:37 pmGeez TP, I’m not allowed to refer to a certain anxiety drug in connection with Mrs Chimpy?
First deletion of the day….for me anyway.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:40 pmBush lover Seixon to appear and attempt to debunk Hersh in 3..2..1…
Comment by [B!]
No kidding. :)
Also: Vince P, michael, paul, valiant venus, ballslobber, etc.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:41 pmimpeachment would work!
send Laura and Barney to Iran for a visit …see how long they keep supporting him
with numbers like this it seems a crime not to impeach
February 25th, 2007 at 1:41 pmhttp://www.micropoll.com/akira/MicroPoll?mode=html&id=23186
Imagine the scenario when the Iranians are attacked and they end up responding by killing Americans with missiles that Oliver North gave to them in the 1980’s.
Comment by GSD
A Lockheed Martin CEO´s wet dream.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWhere are the gun carrying schitzophrenics when you need them?
Comment by Coffins
They are all Bush supporters.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:43 pmGSD – now that would be ironic… Ollie’s missles shooting American planes.
What I’m not hearing in the press is how will China react? If we attack Iran, we attack China’s oil interests. China has a much larger military than the US and an everygrowing population of males. China has the bomb, owns a big chunk of our debt, makes most of WalMarts goodies, has the ability to take out satellites and has dibbies on Iran’s oil.
China is quiet and I don’t trust their silence. A cat will patiently and silently stalk its prey. What is China planning if we attack Iran?
February 25th, 2007 at 1:45 pmWhy are we missing the REAL story about Hersh’s interview on CNN today. He said today in the last few minutes of the interview, the US is illegally funneling funds to anti-Shia groups throughout the Middle East, these groups the US is financing include 3 jihadist organizations with similar anti-western objectives of Al qaeda. HOW COULD YOU MISS THAT PART OF THE INTERVIEW? WHERE IS THE WHOLE TRANSCRIPT? It is much more important than the first portion of the interview, we know the US is planning to attack Iran, but we have never heard that the US is funding anti-US terrorists, its treason, its tyranny, its the most obviously impeachable offense to get Bush on. GET THE WORD OUT, find the last portion of the interview and POST IT EVERYWHERE. This could actually get him impeached. Can you imagine the headlines in middle America… US Funds Anti-US Terrorists Groups!!!
February 25th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAlso: Vince P, michael, paul, valiant venus, ballslobber, etc.
Comment by Zooey
I guess rachel’s in a ‘good’ mood today then.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:50 pm[B!]
rachel is trying to do what she’s good at these days — research and excellent links. :)
February 25th, 2007 at 1:54 pm…. US Funds Anti-US Terrorists Groups!!!
Comment by Dan
That’s probably where the missing 12 billion are going.
February 25th, 2007 at 1:56 pmrachel is trying to do what she’s good at these days…
Comment by Zooey
I know,and I’m happy for rachel.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI’m a firm believer in 4th and 5th chances.
Why are we missing the REAL story about Hersh’s interview on CNN today. He said today in the last few minutes of the interview, the US is illegally funneling funds to anti-Shia groups throughout the Middle East, these groups the US is financing include 3 jihadist organizations with similar anti-western objectives of Al qaeda. HOW COULD YOU MISS THAT PART OF THE INTERVIEW? –Dan
I saw the interview and was wondering about that myself. Bushco is funneling money to islamic terrorists through black bag operations. It is Iran/Contra all over again.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:01 pmWow, that sounds just like what he wrote almost exactly two years ago:
For all those who demanded the Bush administration prove that Iranians were meddling in Iraq, which they did, how many will demand that Hersh provide any evidence that we’ve been doing any clandestine reconaissance missions inside Iran?
Funny that is, Hersh contradicts his earlier reports today:
Wait, wait, wait. In January 2005, Hersh reported that the administration had been conducting reconaissance missions inside Iran since the summer of 2004. Now he’s saying that US intelligence forces have only been in Iran for months?
What’s it going to be Hersh? Were you right in 2005 (well, no) or are you right now (fool me once….)?
Oh well, the drooling liberal masses will eat it up without thinking, as evidenced quite easily here at Think Progress. Good job guys.
Don’t let Hersh’s contradictory record get you down. Believe. BELIEVE!
February 25th, 2007 at 2:04 pmThis is disturbing ………America justification for war against terror when all along America is supporting terrorists – this cannot be right
US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran
February 25th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAmerica is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme.
unbelievable,
I saw this interview. CNN seems to be stepping up their crdibility factor by actually offering credible sources who use facts and evidence to support the information.
Facts and evidence… Whereas the US military puts forth pictures of weapons caches manufactured in Iran, Hersh puts forth… eh.. hmm… gossip he heard from sources that have been telling him the same story for over 2 years…
Credibility is an interesting thing around these parts, apparently.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pmScary stuff…
I don’t know that Bush can be stopped either but I think we have to try.
Visit http://www.stopiranwar.com and use the tools there to make your opposition known.
This is really serious and we have to at least try to stop it before it’s too late…if it’s not too late already….
February 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pmFacts and evidence… Whereas the US military puts forth pictures of weapons caches manufactured in Iran, Hersh puts forth… eh.. hmm… gossip he heard from sources that have been telling him the same story for over 2 years…
Credibility is an interesting thing around these parts, apparently.
Comment by Seixon — February 25, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Yeah, Seixon, and they put forward pictures of WMD Vans that were also false. What you’re point frozen brain?
It took PNAC 4 years to pump up an invasion of Iraq with similar ‘claims of weapons’, and here fools like you are doing their lifting again. Tell me Seixon, why would any country have ‘weapons caches’, maybe because they have militaries? You’re a fool.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by Seixon
Some people are soooo predictable.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pmLaura Dear, the key’s are in the truck and it’s full of gas, you can do it…I’m counting on you….
rachel, great post’s and link’s every where from you..I appreciate your contrabutions..Blessings
February 25th, 2007 at 2:12 pmOK LETS WAIT FOR THEM TO KILL US!!? You pacifists are so Null and void of any intelligent reasoning….Apparently you all missed that Iran’s leaders goals are to eventually take the world over and rule by Islam Law and oppress all. You appeasing fools won’t get it until they have invaded our country or bombed our allies. How many innocent people must die while these lunatics suicide bomb and murder innocent people before you hippies understand that this is a world wide war that will not be over until one side has sustained so much damage that it’s unbearable to fight again!
February 25th, 2007 at 2:13 pmYOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HIPPIE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY THEORY WACKOS. PREEMPTION IS THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY AND FUTURE OF THE FREE WORLD……..
I’m a firm believer in 4th and 5th chances.
Comment by [B!]
Thank goodness, because so many of us need them. :}
February 25th, 2007 at 2:14 pmIran: U.S. is in no position to start war
Iranian Foreign Minister said on Saturday the U.S. was in no position to launch military strike against Iran, stressing that talks were the only choice to resolve the nuclear standoff.
Cheney ” all options are on the table” Cheney talk to iran “put up or shut up”
February 25th, 2007 at 2:14 pmYOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HIPPIE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY THEORY WACKOS. PREEMPTION IS THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY AND FUTURE OF THE FREE WORLD……..
Comment by PeteB
Bed-wetters to the right…..thank you.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:15 pmCNN seems to be suffering from multiple personality psychosis.
On CNN you have Seymour Hersh telling the truth about Iran.
and on CNN Headline News, you have Glenn Beck, foaming at the mouth and ranting like the reich wingnut psycho he really is.
CNN needs to fire Beck and hire Hersh.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:16 pmSo Seixon…..you believe that the “dear leader” will not invade Iran? Thats good to know. Surely the word of some hidden word monger means soooo much. I know that I feel better. Believe,Believe, Believe….you bushidiots know the world of faith. Believe, Believe….believe that bushit is not as dumb as he looks, not as stupid as he acts, not as illinformed as his actions prove. If only we could all stand on that pillar of faith and suck the kool aid. Good on you, seixon, for supporting the most vapid empty adminstration ever. Nice they have some hidden support. I clap for you dumbshit. Thanks for the country we now have.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:19 pmDoes anybody have John Binckley’s phone number? I hear they let him out on weekends now. He only winged Reagan but maybe his aim has improved.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:22 pmApparently you all missed that Iran’s leaders goals are to eventually take the world over and rule by Islam Law and oppress all.
Tell them to wait. I have to finish my ME Master´s degree.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:24 pmValiant,
Even Think Progress has made amends with Iranians meddling in Iraq, are you disavowing the official dogma now? Everyone knows that Iranians are meddling in Iraq, the only thing that isn’t certain is how far high up the authorization for that goes within the Iranian government, as Bush has even said himself.
There’s a difference between cartoon pictures of mobile weapons labs and actual photographic evidence of weapons caches produced in Iran in 2006, you bumbling fool.
Meanwhile, Hersh doesn’t even have any cartoon pictures, but you take him at his word, even though he claimed the same thing two years ago.
When will you guys get your heads out of your asses? When will you put your partisan bullshit aside and realize that you are being duped? When will you demand the same standard of evidence from your favorite mainstream media sources as you do of the Bush administration?
You’re all a bunch of partisan hack hypocrites.
The funny thing is that I’ll be back here one year from now telling you all “I told you so” and then Hersh will pop back up and tell the same story, and you’ll believe him all over again.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:25 pmIt seems appropriate to move this up from the “Kristol” thread just for Seixon:
You’re welcome, Seixon. Waiting for your wisdom…..
February 25th, 2007 at 2:27 pmPREEMPTION IS THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY AND FUTURE OF THE FREE WORLD……..
Comment by PeteB
Yeah, how is that track record working out for you?
How many innocent people must die while these lunatics suicide bomb and murder innocent people
You referring to the 70% of US troops killed by Sunni armed and backed by our ‘allies’ the Saudi? Do you bother thinking before hitting enter and embarrassing yourself?
February 25th, 2007 at 2:28 pmBed-wetters to the right…..thank you.
Comment by Zooey —
Now THAT was funny!
LMAO rotfl.
Crazily of course.
Sharon and Zooey,
Can you remember what the quote from Sharon was about something like this?
“Hello, I am slowski fuehrer something something,
I will be your new something something?
I wanted to save it for the laughs it generates eveytime I think of it, but I can;t for the life of me remember how it went exactly.
Sharon can you?
I thought it would be appropo for ball-knobber-sucker and of course not to be forgotten Stale-Dale
February 25th, 2007 at 2:28 pmPeteB is a typical Reichwingnut psychotic. He lives in a paranoid bizarro world where all 1.2 Billion Moslems are out to get him, and the Iraqis are all going to follow us home.
You Reich Wingnut Chimpylovers are all paranoid psychotics and need to be institutionalized until you stop supporting Chimpy and his thugs.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pmrachel,
I remember the slowski fuhrer, but nothing more. Sorry.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pmkerryinalaska,
So Seixon…..you believe that the “dear leader†will not invade Iran? Thats good to know. Surely the word of some hidden word monger means soooo much. I know that I feel better.
Well, I didn’t believe it 2 years ago, and I still don’t believe it. I’ve been right for two years. How’s your record? What’s a “word monger”?
I also did not believe 2 years ago that Bush would invade Syria or Venezuela, even though many around these parts did. Hugo Chavez has been spoon-feeding the Left a fairytale of Bush invading his country for years. The Left believes it. I don’t. It’s been several years now. Look at the result.
Believe,Believe, Believe….you bushidiots know the world of faith.
Says the person who has believed the same unsubstantiated story for two years….
Believe, Believe….believe that bushit is not as dumb as he looks, not as stupid as he acts, not as illinformed as his actions prove.
Some of us have the ability to look at a person based on their character and not their party identification. Try it some time.
If only we could all stand on that pillar of faith and suck the kool aid.
You truly don’t appreciate how ironic that is, do you? You’ve been believing in the same fishing story for years, and you still believe it. Think Progress has had coolers full of Kool Aid for years, and you’ve had your fill, apparently.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmSeixon
First off I mentioned it yesterday, did you ever consider the possibility that Hersh, by talking about the possibility of an invasion of Iran may have caused the administration to delay such a move?
Second, Iran is meddling in Iraq, that is a given. But who else is? Saudi Arabia most definitely is, and if they are not providing arms, they are providing millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents. So why do we not invade them? It is also likely that weapons companies from Russia and China are selling their products to insurgents, do we invade them? Turkey is meddling in the north, do we invade them? European weapons companies are selling their products to insurgents, do we invade them? And, oh my god, US weapons companies are supplying insurgents also, if not directly, their products still end up in insurgent hands, so do we bomb ourselves?
February 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmThe funny thing is that I’ll be back here one year from now telling you all “I told you so†and then Hersh will pop back up and tell the same story, and you’ll believe him all over again.
I will bet you my mortgage against yours. I live in Santa Barbara. Put up or shut your trap Rape-Public-Can.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmYou’re all a bunch of partisan hack hypocrites.You’re all a bunch of partisan hack hypocrites.
Comment by Seixon — February 25, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Having a little pot calling the kettle black moment? Why so angry, because we don’t bow down to your sheer genius? Get over yourself kiddo. I will be laughing my ass of when you claim to be middle of the road, even though it is very clear you are not.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmZooey,
So William Kristol speculating openly and wishing we’d be tougher on Iran is the same as Hersh claiming as fact based on information from anonymous sources that we are going to attack is the same thing? Why? I wish some people would go to school and learn how to compare things properly, seems to be a sorely lacking skill.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:34 pm” Everyone knows that Iranians are meddling in Iraq,..”
Comment by Seixon
So the hell are we.
“I’ll be back here one year from now telling you…”
Comment by Seixon
Please don’t;save your breath.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIran does not seem scared in the slightest ……………
They are NOT using Dollars for petrol anymore
They want an attack , they are proving a theory that America bullies non nuclear weak countries , Iran has many things up its sleeves ????
Whats the end game of an Attack …….. America loses
therefore would be better to talk ,
February 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSeixon is another reich wingnut troll, spouting the talking point lies about liberals all wanting to surrender and moslems all wanting to kill us.
The NIE says Iran is a bit player in Iraq. Iraqis don’t need to get shaped charge RPG rounds from Iran, they have piles of them all over Iraq that our troops never bothered to secure.
The reichwingnuts’ only solution to the mess we are in, is to make it worse by attacking Iran. Reichwingnuts like PeteB and Seixon are batshit psychotic and should be in a mental hospital with no computers.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pmTUESDAY, NOVEMBER 02, 2004
“All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.
This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.”
-Osama bin Ladin
February 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSo William Kristol speculating openly and wishing we’d be tougher on Iran is the same as Hersh claiming as fact based on information from anonymous sources that we are going to attack is the same thing? Seixon
No of course not retard. Kristol is a blow hard who has been nothing but wrong with his Nostrodamus predictions. Hersh has sources, verifiable, within the Pentagon that has not been refuted by the Pentagon. Good lord are you that stupid. Of course there is no comparison.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI would bet that Iran has canisters of Nerve gas smuggled though Chavez and in through Mexico and are just wating for the Nod ???? Bet you
February 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pmAshenShard,
First off I mentioned it yesterday, did you ever consider the possibility that Hersh, by talking about the possibility of an invasion of Iran may have caused the administration to delay such a move?
Yes, because that stopped Bush with Iraq. Golf clap. OK, I’ll play. Sure, it’s plausible. So what? Since when did plausible become the thing to hang your hat on?
Second, Iran is meddling in Iraq, that is a given.
Woe, careful there, it seems not everyone around here knows that… You might get called a neocon, fair warning.
But who else is? Saudi Arabia most definitely is, and if they are not providing arms, they are providing millions of dollars to Sunni insurgents.
Well, I haven’t seen any evidence of this, but it certainly is plausible.
So why do we not invade them?
Well, we’re not moving to invade Iran either, so why do you ask?
It is also likely that weapons companies from Russia and China are selling their products to insurgents, do we invade them? Turkey is meddling in the north, do we invade them? European weapons companies are selling their products to insurgents, do we invade them? And, oh my god, US weapons companies are supplying insurgents also, if not directly, their products still end up in insurgent hands, so do we bomb ourselves?
See above. Although, I would point out, that not all of the statements you have made here are in the least factually supportable at all. To you, is a person “supplying weapons” to someone else simply by producing weapons that end up in someone’s hands? In other words, is Apple “supplying” Kim Jong Il with iPods?
Krazny,
It takes a sheer genius to point out that Hersh has been trying to sell this story for over two years without it having appreciably changed at all? Hm. I thought it just took the ability to think critically. I guess that might be considered genius around these parts. See you in 6-12 months. We’ll see who’s kidding who.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pmHersh has been saying for two years that we are meddling in Iran.
He never predicted an attack on Iran, he just reported that the US was already messing around in Iran and now is planning to be able to attack Iran within 24 hours of Chimpy’s phone call.
The problem with the Reichwingnut psychosis is that it distorts reality so the Reichwingnut spins everything to fit their bizarro worldview.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI wish some people would go to school and learn how to compare things properly, seems to be a sorely lacking skill.
Comment by Seixon
But it’s TWO YEARS, Seixon!
Heh. I just love making you waste your precious “epic” responses on my bullshit.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pm-Osama bin Ladin
Comment by ren
He has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, eh?
Hey ren, I was over at AmericaBlog for a while last night, but didn’t see you. :)
February 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmIran’s president has refused to bow to western threats to freeze his country’s nuclear activities.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Sunday that Iran has “no reverse gear” on its programme to develop nuclear technology.
The fresh defiance was echoed by an Iranian official who said Tehran was ready for any possible scenario “even for war”.
These are strong words – they are not the least bit scared im telling you its a trap – why not try talking
February 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThe critical thinking you are missing, is that the takeover of Iran is mentioned in the PNAC, perhaps you should look it up. The Bush administration has made zero threatening moves to any other country in the region. Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Pakistan are not exactly the greatest guys in the world, but they are allies. Iran is not.
You seem to have far to much invested in making your rather absurd points, you are rude and abusive, why do you think people tell you to screw off? Get a clue kiddo.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmTom3,
Seixon is another reich wingnut troll, spouting the talking point lies about liberals all wanting to surrender and moslems all wanting to kill us.
I’ve never said any such thing, ever. But hey, when you don’t have the balls to admit you’re being hoodwinked, why not lie?
The NIE says Iran is a bit player in Iraq. Iraqis don’t need to get shaped charge RPG rounds from Iran, they have piles of them all over Iraq that our troops never bothered to secure.
The NIE says no such thing.
The reichwingnuts’ only solution to the mess we are in, is to make it worse by attacking Iran. Reichwingnuts like PeteB and Seixon are batshit psychotic and should be in a mental hospital with no computers.
LOL! I’m here saying that Bush is NOT going to invade Iran, and you accuse me of wanting to attack Iran. The insanity never stops here at Think Progress, apparently a mental asylum.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pm“So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah.”
-Osama bin Ladin ,2004
February 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pm#
Does anybody have John Binckley’s phone number? I hear they let him out on weekends now. He only winged Reagan but maybe his aim has improved.
Comment by Tom3 — February 25, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
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Tom3 – I was looking for Binkcley earlier or any schitzophrenic with a gun in an earlier post. Where are the Binkcleys of the world when you really need them. Reagon was less of a threat because he slept all of the time. Maybe boy Bush needs some stronger sleeping pills.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSeixon….Hello……you have been called out……you gave your word, your credibility that you were willing to wager ‘I’m game’ to back up your prediction.
Your being called out coward. My home in Santa Barbara vs. your trailer. Put up or forever be known as a coward hypocrite not worthy of credence or credibility. Contact me PLEASE. I will have a mutually agreed attorney draw up the papers.
cue crickets.
Yeah………thought so.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pmapparently a mental asylum.
Comment by Seixon
Yet, you are here until 3 am.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:48 pmSeixon… let’s how we are still around to chat in 6 months.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmTom3 & Coffins,
John Hinckley.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:50 pmOops… “let’s hope we are still around to chat in 6 months.”
February 25th, 2007 at 2:51 pmYour Conscience,
No of course not retard. Kristol is a blow hard who has been nothing but wrong with his Nostrodamus predictions. Hersh has sources, verifiable, within the Pentagon that has not been refuted by the Pentagon. Good lord are you that stupid. Of course there is no comparison.
OK, so Kristol and Hersh have been saying the same thing, but Kristol is wrong and Hersh is right. Ngggghhhh… Verifiable sources? And you evidence this how? The Pentagon has not refuted it?
Ehm, from Hersh’s article:
Oooops. I know you think that calling me stupid will enable to believe what you want without resistance, but now I’ve just proven you’re making shit up as you go along to further your BELIEF.
Tom3,
Hersh has been saying for two years that we are meddling in Iran.
And we still haven’t seen a shred of evidence. I hear Karl Rove got indicted last year. I guess we won’t find out the “truth” until 2123. Or something. You know. Whenever we are all dead and forgotten.
Zooey,
Heh. I just love making you waste your precious “epic†responses on my bullshit.
Well, I sure am glad that you take these issues seriously…….
February 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmThanks, Zooey.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmWhereas the US military puts forth pictures of weapons caches manufactured in Iran, Hersh puts forth… eh.. hmm… gossip
Comment by Seixon
Iran is a significant contributor to attacks on coalition forces, and also supports violence against the Iraqi security forces and the Iraqi people,” said a senior defense official, who was joined by a defense analyst and an explosives expert, both also from the military.
The officials said they would speak only on the condition of anonymity, so the explosives expert and the analyst, who would normally not speak to the news media, could provide information directly. The analyst’s exact title and full name were not revealed to reporters. The officials released a PowerPoint presentation including photographs of the weaponry, but did not allow media representatives to record, photograph or videotape the briefing or the materials on display.
Oh, the strongest evidence the US military could come up: PowerPoint presentation.
What did you say, Seixon?
Credibility is an interesting thing around these parts, apparently.
You got that right. Finally.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:54 pmAfter an Attack on Iran – That would be the end of any American empire , Bin Laden would be the real winner,
February 25th, 2007 at 2:55 pmDoes anybody have John Binckley’s phone number?
Comment by Tom3
Tom3 – I was looking for Binkcley earlier
Comment by CoffinsDrapedWithFlags
I think you all mean John ‘Hinkley’.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:57 pmYour Conscience,
My contact details are at my blog. Go right on ahead and get in touch. I’m sure we can work out a nice little wager.
Juan C,
Yet, you are here until 3 am.
Oh. No. 3AM?!?! What’s the matter grandpa, can’t keep your eyes open past 9PM on the weekends? What’s with all the personal attacks? Anyone? Shallow, ad hominem, mob rule. Think Progress: Where Shallow Hacks Go To Pretend They Know Shit. Hurray!
You’re right. Usually I’d be out at the club at 3AM on a Saturday. Unfortunately I got a visit from Mrs. Flu this weekend. Now… attack me because of that, somehow. Only Nazis get the flu! Yeah, something like that. Have at it.
February 25th, 2007 at 2:57 pmHinkley – yeah, that’s the name I was looking for. Getting old can be tough on the brain… names just slip by. Too much information in the old mental filing cabinet.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThanks for the correction. So where is he when we need him?
(Cheney’s office and the White House declined to comment for this story; the Pentagon did not respond to specific queries but said, “The United States is not planning to go to war with Iran.â€)
Comment by Seixon — February 25, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
They said the same thing in the run-up to war with Iraq. We are now in our fourth year in Iraq.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:05 pmSeixon, TP is blocking my message about your assertion that US military found Iran weapons in Iraq.
I was trying to say that those who said that were under anonimacy and made a Power Point presentation with pictures…
you know, solid evidence. /sarc
Now… attack me because of that, somehow. Only Nazis get the flu! Yeah, something like that. Have at it.
Comment by Seixon
Settle down, kid. And read what I posted. If you see an “attack” in what I say you are delusional. I will try to explain what really happens in a common sense world.
You said: The insanity never stops here at Think Progress, apparently a mental asylum.
Now, that sounds more like an attack in comparison with this: Yet, you are here until 3 am.
Dont be so sensitive if you are insulting first.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pm“It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone, the time when they most needed him.
But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers, we were given three times the period required to execute the operations – all praise is due to Allah.”
Osama bin Ladin, 2004
February 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pmUsually I’d be out at the [log cabin] club at 3AM on a Saturday.
Unfortunately I got a visit from Mrs. Flu this weekend.
Comment by Seixon
Enjoy.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pmLets hope Seixon gets the Super Flu and drops dead.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNat,
They said the same thing in the run-up to war with Iraq. We are now in our fourth year in Iraq.
That’s nice (quote?) but Your Conscience claimed the Pentagon hadn’t refuted it – they did. He was wrong. That is all.
Juan C,
Dont be so sensitive if you are insulting first.
Oh please. I never insult first. People call me Nazi and all kinds of lame things before I even get here. The fifth post here, before I even show up: “Bush lover Seixon to appear and attempt to debunk Hersh in 3..2..1…”
Treat others as you would like to be treated. You guys treat me like shit, you get the shit back. Simple.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmWell, I sure am glad that you take these issues seriously…….
Comment by Seixon
I take these issues very seriously, Seixon.
You are the one discounting them.
I just so enjoy laughing my ass off at you.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pmagain under the right article…
also, we are “very far along†towards Marshall Law here at home. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, an act which disallowed our military to take up arms against US, has been eliminated through a rider slipped into the defense appropriatons bill in Oct. ‘06. No links, heard it on Thom Hartman. We have also lost habeas corpus through the Military Commission Act.
The obvious take over of the Middle East and US is terrorizing.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIf ThinkPRogress is a mental asylum, thats only because of the reichwingnut trolls in here. Repukes are all insane.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAnd now we’re quoting Osama bin Laden. Alrighty then, I think it’s time I made myself some dinner and let you nuts sort yourselves out. The irony is that you guys will now be hoping that Bush attacks Iran only to be able to rejoice at being able to say I was wrong. That’s how it goes when you let the “rightwing media” take your mind to the woodshed regularly. Have a wonderful evening!
February 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pmfrom wikipedia:
WHERE’S YOUR OUTRAGE?
isn’t seymour myron hersh an america hater?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmLets hope Seixon gets the Super Flu and drops dead.
I’ve had death threats, now death wishes. You guys really are adorable. I was saying something about hypocrites…
February 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI treat all Repuke trolls like shit because they ARE shit.
Repukes support torture, treason, and lying to start wars.
Repukes support taking away our Bill of Rights and our Habeus Corpus.
Repukes are traitors.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI just so enjoy laughing my ass off at you.
We’ll see who’s laughing a year from now. ;)
February 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pmIt is spelled Martial law.
Chimpy thinks its Marshall law and he gets to wear a badge and a six-gun. Mister Cheney says he can.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSeixon, do the world a favor and blow your brains out.
Sick psychotic liars like you deserve to die painfully.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmA year from now, Seixon will be laughing…that’s because he will be working for Halliburton as a concentration camp guard…and making the rest of us into soap.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:22 pmMeanwhile, back in Iraq:
Open Question: Could our own “black ops” be responsible for some of the “terrorist bombings”?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:23 pmMy contact details are at my blog. Go right on ahead and get in touch. I’m sure we can work out a nice little wager.
Seixon.
So you are willing to back up your drivel with waging your house. You are on and I will contact you. Formal papers are required with signatures. Will be happy to take your trailer from you.
Your earlier comparison and claim Hersh is without credence is simple tripe and you know it. Your sourcing that the Pentagon is not ‘planning’ to go to war with iran as did Gates is laughable. The claim and verifiabled sources claimed by Hersh is that plans have been drawn up. You would admit that plans have been drawn up. Also you not so naive as to assert Hersh does not have verifiable sources do you?
BTW, don’t you ever grow wearing of carrying water and defending a failed administration and a failed war?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:25 pmWe’ll see who’s laughing a year from now. ;)
Comment by Seixon
Yes, we will.
I really hope it’s you laughing, Seixon, because I don’t relish the alternative.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThat’s nice (quote?) but Your Conscience claimed the Pentagon hadn’t refuted it – they did. He was wrong. That is all.
Comment by Seixon — February 25, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Alright they refuted it which doesn’t mean much.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pmRachel, sorry I can’t remember it today either…Short term memory on demand suck’s…Only remember had just seen the slowski turtle’s in a comcast commercial right at the time I wanted to wack a troll….Give me 5 year’s it will come back to me in the long term, this is if we all live that long…Blessings
February 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThe irony is that you guys will now be hoping that Bush attacks Iran only to be able to rejoice at being able to say I was wrong. Comment by Seixon — February 25, 2007 @ 3:17 pm
You think you’re that important.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pm“Bush lover Seixon to appear and attempt to debunk Hersh in 3..2..1…
Comment by [B!]
No kidding. :)
Also: Vince P, michael, paul, valiant venus, ballslobber, etc.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 1:41 pm”
What’s to debunk? He didn’t back anything up with any facts and you losers on the left are falling all over yourselves yelling the sky is falling!
February 25th, 2007 at 3:32 pmRemmeber this will be a war with NO Geneva conventions for a side
THE NO QUARTER WAR
February 25th, 2007 at 3:33 pmsiexon,
all the comments and opinions from the ‘think progress’ crowd are based on the smoke and mirrors the democrat party feeds them everyday.
case and point:
remember, the frenzy over Tom Delay, Karl Rove, Bill Frist and every other single false accusation and grandstanding by the democrat party for the last six years has gone no where.
Gimme a microphone, call a press conference and say something outlandishly false and unprovable, and i’ll show you a desperate democrat.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThank you tom3 for the spelling lesson…
Where is the outrage towards our lost rights? We can now be jailed without a trial, our military is now allowed to fire at us if so ordered by this idiot commander – a commander so reckless he will most likely go after Iran?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:38 pmremember, the frenzy over Tom Delay, Karl Rove, Bill Frist and every other single false accusation and grandstanding by the democrat party for the last six years has gone no where.
Comment by ballbuster — February 25, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
There were no false allegations made against anyone in the republic party.
February 25th, 2007 at 3:40 pmWhat’s to debunk? He didn’t back anything up with any facts and you losers on the left are falling all over yourselves yelling the sky is falling!
Comment by michael
Why, michael? How are you going to back up that statement?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:48 pmGimme a microphone, call a press conference and say something outlandishly false and unprovable, and i’ll show you a desperate democrat.
Comment by ballbuster
I’ll fix that for you, ballslobber — Gimme a microphone, call a press conference and say something outlandishly crazy and false and unprovable, and i’ll show you a neo-con troll.
Wipe your chin….
February 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pm“Why, michael? How are you going to back up that statement?
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 3:48 pm”
Gee zooey, having a tough time reading today? Where in that article did he offer any proof?
February 25th, 2007 at 3:59 pm“Where is the outrage towards our lost rights?
Comment by Goehl — February 25, 2007 @ 3:38 pm”
What rights have you lost? I haven’t lost any!
February 25th, 2007 at 4:01 pmGee zooey, having a tough time reading today? Where in that article did he offer any proof?
Comment by michael
Why?
February 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhat rights have you lost? I haven’t lost any!
Comment by michael
why do you say that, michael? Have you actually tested the limits of your rights?
February 25th, 2007 at 4:09 pmWhat rights have you lost? I haven’t lost any!
Comment by michael
I hope for all of us in the future that claim can still be made.
You have to admit the sneaky omission of rights may just catch up with you and I someday.
February 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pm“why do you say that, michael? Have you actually tested the limits of your rights?
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 4:09 pm”
Every day! I don’t do anything different today that I didn’t do yesterday and you can say the same for yourself. But if there is something that you were denied maybe you can share it with us?
February 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pm“I hope for all of us in the future that claim can still be made.
Comment by Goehl — February 25, 2007 @ 4:17 pm”
So why the dopey comment in #98?
February 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmSo why the dopey comment in #98?
Comment by michael
Oh Please.
You are the king of the dopey comments.
February 25th, 2007 at 4:52 pm“You are the king of the dopey comments.
Comment by trueblue — February 25, 2007 @ 4:52 pm”
Care to provide some?
February 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmBut if there is something that you were denied maybe you can share it with us?
Comment by michael
Nope. I’m asking you. Why would you ask me that question?
February 25th, 2007 at 5:10 pmtrueblue –
**arms crossed, foot tapping**
February 25th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWith regard to STOPPING CHIMPya, this requires a history lesson. Comment #2 above puts it very succinctly. Mine is a bit more involved, but infinitely MORE GRATIFYING…To wit:
February 25th, 2007 at 5:13 pmThe Fifth SHOGUN or “King” of the Tokugawa dynasty of Japan, Tokugawa Tsunayoshi(2/23/1646-2/19/1709) was moderately mentally retarded though of a precocious bent. He was the shogun during the famous 47 Ronin Episode of the Asano clan members. Tsunayoshi sentenced Asano Naganori to death unfairly for committing justifiable mayhem by drawing his sword and striking Kira Yoshinaka within the inner chambers of Edo castle. The clan members avenged their lord’s death by hunting down and killing Kira and telling off Tsunayoshi with their act and then they all committed ritual suicide, this episode in Japanese history famously dramatised in Kabuki plays, literature and film as CHUSHINGURA, or “The Treasury of Loyal Retainers,” the Tale of the 47 Ronin. In addition, Tsunayoshi was a capricious tyrant-despot, nicknamed “The Dog Shogun”(Inu-Kubo) because he passed a law that made it a capital crime to injure or kill a dog or animal, and people who even inadvertently threw rocks at scavenging dogs or animals could be beheaded or worse! Anyway, Tsunayoshi did these and other EXTREME, UNJUST acts until in 1709, his wife stabbed him to death and killed herself in a fit of unbridled rage. Tsunayoshi was BORN in the Year of the Dog in the Asian Animal Zodiac. ALSO BORN IN THE YEAR OF THE DOG(2 February 1946 to 21 January 1947) ARE
GEORGE W. BUSH and LAURA BUSH, his wife AS WELL! NEED I SAY MORE? LAURA, DO YOUR STUFF AND STOP CHIMPya Bushie NOW!!!!!WOOF! WOOF! Barney, bring the SAMURAI SWORD OF VENGEANCE!!!!!
“Nope. I’m asking you. Why would you ask me that question?
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 5:10 pm”
Because you asked me if I have tested the limits of my rights.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:14 pmZooey,
OK,OK!
I’ve been sick of the michael’s here, then went away for a little while. (Here in MA there are school vacations in Feb and April, not March.)
I came back to take a peek and friggin’ michael is still at it.
Jeesh. Sorry.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:15 pm(looking down, kicking imaginary rocks…)
#106, michael, check out:
It Can Happen Here
February 25th, 2007 at 5:16 pmhttp://www.alternet.org/rights/48246/
Jeesh. Sorry.
(looking down, kicking imaginary rocks…)
Comment by trueblue
**sniff**
February 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pm“I came back to take a peek and friggin’ michael is still at it.
Jeesh. Sorry.
(looking down, kicking imaginary rocks…)
Comment by trueblue — February 25, 2007 @ 5:15 pm”
What’s the matter? Can’t deal with me?
February 25th, 2007 at 5:28 pmWhat’s the matter? Can’t deal with me?
Comment by michael
Why, michael? Should she have to?
February 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pm“It Can Happen Here
http://www.alternet.org/rights/48246/
Comment by Amy — February 25, 2007 @ 5:16 pm”
First off I can’t give much credence to a website that has a “Draft Gore For President” link! Of course it can happen here, anything can happen. But thus far it hasn’t unless you are knee jerk liberal with a WILD imagination!
February 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pmCan you give me proof as to why I should have to put up with your endless questions-as-answers?
February 25th, 2007 at 5:39 pmMaybe Seixon and michael really do get paid to write their completely bizarre crap. It is perfectly rational to believe that Bush is planning to attack Iran. In fact, the path Bush is going down is paralleling Iraq so closely that it is damn near irrational to believe otherwise. Seixon’s idiotic theory, stated again and again, that liberal reporters are trying to make Bush look bad, has been blown out of the water by Kristol and the neocons at AEI, who have been saying they are “optimistic” that Bush will attack Iran, and have admitted (bragged) that they are urging him to do it. These are exactly the same people Bush has been relying on for advice all along. Yet Seixon and michael try to casually dismiss it all as though no is going to notice the complete disconnect between what they are saying and reality. Really pathetic. So who would stick with this garbage unless they were actually getting paid to write it? You would have to be a masochist otherwise.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:42 pmOr really, really stupid.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:44 pm“Can you give me proof as to why I should have to put up with your endless questions-as-answers?
Comment by trueblue — February 25, 2007 @ 5:39 pm”
If you can’t answer them then you don’t have to put up with me.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pmOr really, really stupid.
Comment by VerbalKint
That’s the one.
February 25th, 2007 at 5:49 pmFirst off let me state that I hope we do attack Iran, and then Syria! I was challenging you children on the left for using an article by Seymour Hersh as proof positive that a attack was imminent! I challenged all of you to provide one piece of evidence presented in his article to back up his opinion and you couldn’t!
February 25th, 2007 at 5:53 pmIn that case, michael, you’ll make sure your children or grandchildren are the first to land in that hellhole — because it sure as hell won’t be mine.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:11 pm“I came back to take a peek and friggin’ michael is still at it.
Jeesh. Sorry.
(looking down, kicking imaginary rocks…)
Comment by trueblue — February 25, 2007 @ 5:15 pmâ€
What’s the matter? Can’t deal with me?
Comment by michael —
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Yes she can, but I can too you little cut-n-run motherfu*cker!
I BEGGED you to debate my points yesterday and guess what?
5 fuc*king hours later and nothing but crickets. No Michael.
You’re little buddy vince P. vainly tried to defend you but it was to no avail, I shot his ass right out of the water just like I always do you.
So Michael, you and your “bottom-buddy” Vince P, and BallSucker and Dale and mandolin and seixon, you can all kiss my ASS!
PfFfFfFFfT…..PfFfFfFfT…….ahhhhhhhhhhh
Boy do I feel better now! I just farted Michael, I am sure there was a kiss in there somewhere just for you.
You sort it out.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:14 pm“I came back to take a peek and friggin’ michael is still at it.
Jeesh. Sorry.
(looking down, kicking imaginary rocks…)
Comment by trueblue — February 25, 2007 @ 5:15 pmâ€
What’s the matter? Can’t deal with me?
Comment by michael —
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Yes she can, but I can too you little cut-n-run motherfu*cker!
I BEGGED you to debate my points yesterday and guess what?
5 fuc*king hours later and nothing but crickets. No Michael.
About your bodycount/dot/org link remember?
You’re little buddy vince P. vainly tried to defend you but it was to no avail, I shot his ass right out of the water just like I always do you.
So Michael, you and your “bottom-buddy” Vince P, and BallSucker and Dale and mandolin and seixon, you can all kiss my ASS!
PfFfFfFFfT…..PfFfFfFfT…….ahhhhhhhhhhh
Boy do I feel better now! I just farted Michael, I am sure there was a kiss in there somewhere just for you.
You sort it out.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:15 pmDid someone just fart?
Oh never mind, it’s just Michael.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:16 pmThe way michael sees things, as long as someone else is arrested and held without a hearing for the rest of his/her natural life, michael’s rights have not been violated.
As long as someone else is waterboarded, michael’s rights have not been violated.
As long as someone else’s country is invaded on a pretext, michael’s rights have not been violated.
Michael is the perfect citizen for a totalitarian country; willfully ignorant.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:18 pmComment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Nice to know you hope we violate the right to life of countless innocent children, women and men.
“I challenged all of you to provide one piece of evidence presented in his article to back up his opinion and you couldn’t!”
You first. Bush has no problem insisting his opponents prove a negative, therefore I insist you do likewise. Prove Hersch wrong. If you cannot, then Hersch is right.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:22 pmMichael is a sheep in wolf’s clothing, all you got to do is cut his nuts out like I just did and he is perfectly harmless. Just like the “spoonfed goon” that he/she/it is.
———————————————
Briseadh na Faire,
Namaste!
February 25th, 2007 at 6:22 pm“Yes she can, but I can too you little cut-n-run motherfu*cker!
I BEGGED you to debate my points yesterday and guess what?
5 fuc*king hours later and nothing but crickets. No Michael.
About your bodycount/dot/org link remember?”
First of all, I wasn’t going to give up a wine tasting party to debate an amateur like you! I’m here now. Take your best shot?
February 25th, 2007 at 6:22 pmtrueblue, nice to hear from you again.
Trolls like michael will always be with us. They are the annoying bugs that keep flying towards the light.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:24 pm“The way michael sees things, as long as someone else is arrested and held without a hearing for the rest of his/her natural life, michael’s rights have not been violated”
That’s right! And if those someones who have been arrested were trying to kill Americans they can keep them there for 10 lifetimes!
“As long as someone else is waterboarded, michael’s rights have not been violated”
Right again! If this gets the info from them that we need, waterboard away!
“As long as someone else’s country is invaded on a pretext, michael’s rights have not been violated.
Michael is the perfect citizen for a totalitarian country; willfully ignorant.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Pretext? How about establishing a military presence right between Iran & Syria? I’d say this was a plan! Willfully ignorant? The fact that you have to even ask these questions shows who the ignorant amongst us is.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:29 pmComment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Ok. I pulled a Rune, just for you.
EOH: Change: Reversed.
Normally, Eoh means change for the better. In your case, it is reversed. A journey, not for pleasure, is on your horizon. Abrupt changes will not bring about desired results.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pm“You first. Bush has no problem insisting his opponents prove a negative, therefore I insist you do likewise. Prove Hersch wrong. If you cannot, then Hersch is right.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 6:22 pm”
Learn that type of logic in a public school?
February 25th, 2007 at 6:31 pmCome on michael. What’s the matter, not up to the challenge?
Prove Hersch wrong. If you cannot, then Hersch is right.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
February 25th, 2007 at 6:32 pmYes, BnF, michael is indeed the perfect stooge for a totalitarian government.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:34 pm“Michael is a sheep in wolf’s clothing, all you got to do is cut his nuts out like I just did and he is perfectly harmless.
Comment by rachel rj kinnardi — February 25, 2007 @ 6:22 pm”
You just did? Pretty desperate that you find a need to claim victory! I’m waiting?
February 25th, 2007 at 6:35 pmComment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Nope. That’s NeoCon logic. Since you support their cause, you should be well-versed in their tactics. What’s the matter, can’t prove Hersch wrong? I’m waiting?
February 25th, 2007 at 6:35 pm“Come on michael. What’s the matter, not up to the challenge?
Prove Hersch wrong. If you cannot, then Hersch is right.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 6:22 pm”
Read #138.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:36 pmTake your best shot?
Comment by michael —
You have taught me a lesson Michael, I spent all that time getting ready to debate with you yesterday and…crickets …no Michael.
I won’t be fooled again by you, nor should anyone else here at TP. When the going get’s a little too tough for you, 100% of the time, you run off leaving your potential debater holding an armload of books and links.
I won’t waste my time with you any longer. Not debating anyway. I have found shall we say, “other uses for you”
Heh.
I pity what you have begun with me you little turdsucking cut and runner.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:41 pmJust before michael pisses his pants, he plays the “public school” card.
Sad little troll. He’s got nothing.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:42 pmrachael – namaste.
Keep up the good work. Your efforts of late are being appreciated by others.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:42 pm“What’s the matter, can’t prove Hersch wrong? I’m waiting?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 6:35 pm”
First of all if you read all my posts you would know that I support invading Iran. I hope his article was accurate! The point I was making is that you lefties looked pretty silly insisting that an invasion was imminent based on a article that had no facts to back it up. Now I know this may be hard for someone of your intellect to understand so maybe you should read my response a couple of times. Sooner or later it will sink in. You know something like Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:44 pm“I won’t waste my time with you any longer”
A sure sign of desperation!
February 25th, 2007 at 6:45 pm“Sad little troll. He’s got nothing.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 6:42 pm”
You’re right up there in the intellectual void with Rachel!
February 25th, 2007 at 6:46 pmComment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Translation: I am incapable of presenting an argument consistent with my position following the rules of the President’s logic. I cannot prove Hersch wrong. I must therefore conceed that Hersch is right, and we will needlessly go to war and cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people because I am a bloodthirsty war-mongering coward who likes to sit in the safety and comfort of my home and cheer on those who support hatred of their fellow man.
Karma will repay you in kind for your attitude michael.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:48 pmmichael,
What is the benefit to this country if we invade Iran, and then Syria? What do you hope would be the goal? What is your definition of success after we attack these countries?
February 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI know you support war. That is what makes you one of the most contemptable creatures on this Earth.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmYou’re right up there in the intellectual void with Rachel!
Comment by michael
Actually, rachel is extremely intelligent — so, thank you.
If I were you michael, and thank goodness I’m not, I wouldn’t being broaching the subject of intellectual void. No need to draw more attention to yourself.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pm“Karma will repay you in kind for your attitude michael.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 6:48 pm”
Whatever! F*ck karma!
February 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIf I were you michael, and thank goodness I’m not, I wouldn’t being broaching the subject of intellectual void. No need to draw more attention to yourself.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
WELL SAID!!!
February 25th, 2007 at 6:54 pm“What is the benefit to this country if we invade Iran, and then Syria? What do you hope would be the goal? What is your definition of success after we attack these countries?
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 6:50 pm”
Duh! The leaders of those countries hate us and want to wipe us off the planet! Iran is on the verge of developing a nuke. Israel won’t let that happen if we don’t do it first. But I wouldn’t expect cut and run pacifists to understand what’s at stake here. And it is not something that will just benefit this country. It will benefit the entire world! The goal? To prevent Iran from arming terrorists with nukes!
February 25th, 2007 at 6:58 pmWhatever! F*ck karma!
Comment by michael
Ok. I hope you get everything you deserve in this life, michael.
February 25th, 2007 at 6:59 pmWELL SAID!!!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Thank you, sensei.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:00 pm“If I were you michael, and thank goodness I’m not, I wouldn’t being broaching the subject of intellectual void. No need to draw more attention to yourself.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 6:53 pm”
Oh my, you are scaring me! Rachel said she was looking for me last night with books and links ready! She needs books and links?
February 25th, 2007 at 7:01 pm“Ok. I hope you get everything you deserve in this life, michael.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 6:59 pm”
Actually I pretty much got everything I’ve ever wanted, thank you!
February 25th, 2007 at 7:02 pmWhatever! F*ck karma!
Comment by michael
It will be the other way around.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:03 pmDuh! The leaders of those countries hate us and want to wipe us off the planet!
A lot of people hate us, michael, are you hoping we’ll attack every country who might have a problem with us?
Iran is on the verge of developing a nuke. Israel won’t let that happen if we don’t do it first.
what if we just let Israel handle it?
But I wouldn’t expect cut and run pacifists to understand what’s at stake here.
Why don’t you try?
And it is not something that will just benefit this country. It will benefit the entire world! The goal? To prevent Iran from arming terrorists with nukes!
Comment by michael
Ok.
So what does success look like, michael? The end product? What is your utopia?
February 25th, 2007 at 7:04 pmNow I have to run out to the store so don’t thing you’ve scared me off.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:05 pmActually I pretty much got everything I’ve ever wanted, thank you!
Comment by michael
No, michael. I said deserve.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:06 pmComment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Unlike you, she does her research.
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
That explains your “F*ck karma” comment. You’re not a Christian! In fact, I’m suprised you have sufficient cognitive resources to type coherently.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:07 pmIt will be the other way around.
Comment by Juan C
You know it.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:07 pmThanks, BnF
I was pulled away for supper earlier; now my presence is requested for the Academy Awards.
Hopefully I’ll be back before michael has any more stupid questions for answers.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:11 pmNow I have to run out to the store so don’t thing you’ve scared me off.
Comment by michael
Do be careful of speeding trucks and open manholes….
February 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmTo prevent Iran from arming terrorists with nukes!
Comment by michael
The terrorists already have nukes. It just depends if you are hypocrite or not.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:14 pmWow, you folks are in hysteria over this. Do you hate our country that much that you want it on its knees at the mercy of nuclear iran?
February 25th, 2007 at 7:22 pm“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.†– Ayatollah Khomeini 1942
“The final goal of the revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€. – commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi
an advisor to the new Iranian govt says his country’s objective is the destruction of the evil in the world perputated by England and the nations derived from England
commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, said on state television, “The final goal of the [1979] revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€. “God willing, the 21st century will see the defeat of the U.S. and the Zionists, and the victory of freedom-seeking nations of the worldâ€.
Commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, said on state television. “God willing, the 21st century will see the defeat of the U.S. and the Zionists, and the victory of freedom-seeking nations of the world. The final goal of the [1979] revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€.
The [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils†– the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,†says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.â€
The IRGC chief warned that Iran was seeing through “critical days†and “fate-determining yearsâ€. He described the purpose of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution as the “Salvation of Muslims†from the hands of the “oppressive U.S. and Israelâ€.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:24 pmProgressives want Iran to get the bomb.. and Saudi Arabia, and Jordan and Syria, and Turkey and Egypt, and the UAE, and Oman, and Yemen
February 25th, 2007 at 7:25 pmProgressives want Iran to get the bomb.. and Saudi Arabia, and Jordan and Syria, and Turkey and Egypt, and the UAE, and Oman, and Yemen
Comment by Vince P
Prove it.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:35 pm“That explains your “F*ck karma†comment. You’re not a Christian! In fact, I’m suprised you have sufficient cognitive resources to type coherently.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 7:07 pm”
Ah insults in place of intelligence…………………..
February 25th, 2007 at 7:46 pm“Unlike you, she does her research.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 7:07 pm”
How long does it take and how much research is needed to know that Hersh didn’t present one shred of evidence in his article? Isn’t that what this thread is all about?
February 25th, 2007 at 7:49 pm“Hopefully I’ll be back before michael has any more stupid questions for answers.
Comment by trueblue — February 25, 2007 @ 7:11 pm”
And if you make any dumb baseless questions I’ll have plenty of questions.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:51 pm“The terrorists already have nukes. It just depends if you are hypocrite or not.
Comment by Juan C — February 25, 2007 @ 7:14 pm”
They do? Where? Who?
February 25th, 2007 at 7:52 pmZooey: try reading the news sometimes, geez:
Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.
This new threat of proliferation in one of the most dangerous regions of the world comes on top of a crisis over Iran’s alleged nuclear programme.
A strategy paper being considered at the highest levels in Riyadh sets out three options:
Saudis consider nuclear bomb
Ewen MacAskill and Ian Traynor in Vienna
Thursday September 18, 2003
The Guardian
Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.
This new threat of proliferation in one of the most dangerous regions of the world comes on top of a crisis over Iran’s alleged nuclear programme.
A strategy paper being considered at the highest levels in Riyadh sets out three options:
Article continues
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· To acquire a nuclear capability as a deterrent;
· To maintain or enter into an alliance with an existing nuclear power that would offer protection;
· To try to reach a regional agreement on having a nuclear-free Middle East.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/saudi/story/0,11599,1044402,00.html
February 25th, 2007 at 8:12 pm#177 – Vince P
How does that article prove that progressives want these countries to have nuclear weapons?
Keep trying.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:21 pmOh that’s right,, Regressives don’t believe in cause and effect… just cause and screw the effect.
How can I prove something that is so obvious any retard would understand it?
February 25th, 2007 at 8:24 pm“How can I prove something that is so obvious any retard would understand it?
Comment by Vince P — February 25, 2007 @ 8:24 pm”
Vince, it’s going to take another 9/11 for these dopes to wake up!
February 25th, 2007 at 8:29 pmmichael: I’m not convinced anything will convice these stupid people of anything. They deserve to die.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:31 pmThey certainly don’t deserve the safety and protection that the President has spent the past 6 years building.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:41 pmHow can I prove something that is so obvious any retard would understand it?
Comment by Vince P
Even if you call me names, Vince, it’s still not proof.
Keep trying.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:47 pmVince you might want to post a link to your 365gay profile for michael.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:48 pmHe likes you.
michael: I’m not convinced anything will convice these stupid people of anything. They deserve to die.
Comment by Vince P —
What a dumbfu*ck you are Vince, and this goes for you too Michael.
Not only did you spell “convinced” correctly once, but only TWO words later you spell it flat wrong.
Convice(?)
You are just like your GOP, you GOP BOTS- “Beavis and Butthead”
No wonder you and Beavis are only capable of patting eachother on the hindy, while on your laptops, snuggled in bed together,sipping a Starbuck’s Espresso Lite, laughing hysterically about your “secret mission” here at TP.
Why don’t you two just blow your wads already and get the fu*ck off of this site.
Trust me, it will be alot easier on you if you do.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:48 pmZooey: you might want to put your tongue in my ass.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:49 pm#134 – michael,
February 25th, 2007 at 8:49 pmHow was the Thunderbird?
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
You’ve yet to prove him wrong.
Besides, Hersch provides a plethora of evidence. You’re just too ignorant to recognize it as such.
And I’ve yet to insult you. I’m merely stating facts. Now, if you find the facts insulting… well, I guess the truth hurts.
February 25th, 2007 at 8:49 pmComment by Juan C — February 25, 2007 @ 7:14 pmâ€
They do? Where? Who?
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Juan included a link. Perhaps you don’t know how that works. You click on the word in red, the one that’s underlined; terrorists. It will take you to this site which would have answered your question. Are you really old enough to go to a wine tasting party, or did you just ride along with your parents?
February 25th, 2007 at 8:53 pm#180 – michael,
February 25th, 2007 at 8:54 pmI’m glad that you understood. At least you admitted that you are a retard.
Had to step away for a few minutes Ann Coulter was on Geraldo and now Glenn Beck is on……………….
February 25th, 2007 at 8:55 pm“Trust me, it will be alot easier on you if you do.
Comment by rachel kinnardi — February 25, 2007 @ 8:48 pm”
Why? Are you about to say something intelligent?
February 25th, 2007 at 8:57 pm“Juan included a link. Perhaps you don’t know how that works. You click on the word in red, the one that’s underlined; terrorists. It will take you to this site which would have answered your question.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — February 25, 2007 @ 8:53 pm”
The links sites COUNTRIES that have nukes! Juan said terrorists already have them and I asked him to identify them. Can’t you read?
February 25th, 2007 at 9:01 pmmichael I bet rachel will write some vulgar incoherent meth fueled rant spaced with plenty of dashes.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:05 pm#193 – michael,
February 25th, 2007 at 9:05 pmSo Iran and North Korea are not terrorist nations. When do we start trade with them?
Now Walt tries to have it both ways.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:10 pm#196 – Vince P,
February 25th, 2007 at 9:13 pmI believe that michael raised the issue in response to a post from BnF.
Already did, dum dum.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:19 pmAnd the post has the phrase “The links sites COUNTRIES”. There is but a single link and ’sites’ should say ‘cites’ (assuming the the singular is used for the noun).
February 25th, 2007 at 9:21 pmVince P. aka “The Gay Patriot”,
How bout I put my boot in your ass then my fist in your face?
And now a word from our “sponsor”
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POST # 38 Reads: On This Link: gaypatriot.net/2007/02/13/the-surge-is-working-al-sadr-flees-baghdad
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Pat: I have so many issues with Bush and the way he has led this country but with the voices from all the over world that tear him down, I feel that enough people have pointed out the errors, so I dont go out of my way to bring them up.
I think it’s funny when you ask a Leftist what they think will happen if we leave Iraq tomrorow and instead of answering they say something “Well Bush said 3 plus 3 equals 5 two years ago.
Past mistakes are in the past, I can’t get one Leftist to look to the future. None of them will say what the consequences will be if we leave. They are so backward looking and regressive.
Bush’s public leadership has been awful, I blame him for the collapse of support. But he is one of the few leaders in this country who realizes the seriousness of the threat we face and I have to support him. I cant expect perfection from human beings. From everything I know about Bush I know he’s a honorable person. THe attack he faces from everyone in Washinton is totally over the top. Lessor men than he wouldn’t be able to stand to it.
Comment by Vince P — February 14, 2007 @ 1:10 pm – February 14, 2007
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February 25th, 2007 at 9:22 pmAlready did, dum dum.
Comment by Vince P
Sorry Vince, it’s not proof just because you want it to be proof.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:23 pmSo that no one is confused by rachel’s stalking of me… that is not my blog, I merely comment on it, like I do on this one.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:25 pmComment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Sigh. Apparently you’re not old enough to know of the term Terrorist State.
Perhaps this will enlighten you, “The United States is a Leading
February 25th, 2007 at 9:25 pmTerrorist State.”
There is our Vincey Boy!
Vince?
Don’t you EVER talk to Zooey like that again, or anyone else here for that matter.
You on board yet Vince?
You got a link for that?
Heh. You pussy.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:26 pm“You on board yet Vince?
You got a link for that?
Heh. You pussy.
Comment by rachel kinnardi — February 25, 2007 @ 9:26 pm”
Hey Rachel, zooey says I shouldn’t mess with you because you are very smart. When are you going to start showing it?
February 25th, 2007 at 9:36 pmThis is what Juan said Walt.
“The terrorists already have nukes. It just depends if you are hypocrite or not”
February 25th, 2007 at 9:40 pm“So Iran and North Korea are not terrorist nations. When do we start trade with them?
Comment by WaltTheMan — February 25, 2007 @ 9:05 pm”
Walt, they don’t have nukes!
February 25th, 2007 at 9:41 pm205, rachel, I’ll handle vince. I have ways/realms he can’t possibly imagine.
Vince’s Rune is Lagu: Water: Reversed:
There is turmoil and confusion in your life. You have a fear of failure and rejection.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:44 pmWalt, they don’t have nukes!
Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
Prove it, toilet licker.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:45 pmHey Rachel, zooey says I shouldn’t mess with you because you are very smart. When are you going to start showing it? Comment by michael — February 25, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
When are you going to start showing you could recognize a smart person?
February 25th, 2007 at 9:46 pmSo that no one is confused by rachel’s stalking of me… that is not my blog, I merely comment on it, like I do on this one. Comment by Vince P — February 25, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Is that how you justify stalking liberals? We don’t hang out at your sicko KKK websites, why must you hang out here with people that aren’t stormfront sickos Vince? Why do you stalk us, terrorist?
February 25th, 2007 at 9:47 pmAlready did, dum dum. Comment by Vince P — February 25, 2007 @ 9:19 pm
Were you talking to michael, or yourself, catamite?
February 25th, 2007 at 9:48 pmall venus got is hate.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:54 pmhttp://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/25/video-ayaan-hirsi-ali-schools-darrell-issa-on-dhimmitude/
This is a good video.. Ayaan Hirsi Ali on Bill Maher’s show.
February 25th, 2007 at 9:55 pmOne more post from this link from our Vincey Boy.
http://gaypatriot.net/2007/02/13/the-surge-is-working-al-sadr-flees-baghdad
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The Surge might work, but Sadr is following the Democrats plan… just wait a little bit longer and we’ll leave.
We must project to the world that we are staying in Iraq for AS LONG AS WE NEED TO.. for a generation if we have to.
Instead, everyone in the Middle East is preparing for the day that we shamefully leave. Right now our presence is just something to endure the inconvience of. The Pause button has been pressed.
After the Democrats get their craven way, the Play X 2 Speed will be pressed and no one will be able to stop it.
Comment by Vince P — February 13, 2007 @ 10:35 pm – February 13, 2007
February 25th, 2007 at 9:59 pmAn act of war. Without Congressional authorization, approval or funding. What better example of a high crime and misdemeanor?
February 25th, 2007 at 10:01 pm… [gag] …From everything I know about Bush I know he’s a honorable person. THe attack he faces from everyone in Washinton is totally over the top. Lessor men than he wouldn’t be able to stand to it.
Comment by Vince P — February 14, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
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Comment by rachel kinnardi — February 25, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
that was quite a valentine, vince… you got it even worse than i thought…
really, we’re just not into you… you deserve to be with like minds…
… and this ain’t it…
February 25th, 2007 at 10:02 pmreally, we’re just not into you… you deserve to be with like minds…
… and this ain’t it…
Comment by katy
Right on, katy. It’s strange Vince doesn’t realize GWB would throw him under the first bus to come along, if it became convenient.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:05 pm“When are you going to start showing you could recognize a smart person?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — February 25, 2007 @ 9:46 pm”
Well except for Vince, myself and a few others there’s none here!
February 25th, 2007 at 10:05 pmall venus got is hate.
Comment by Vince P
Really? And your dream about someone´s tongue in your ass can be called what? Desperation at the endless night hugging your pillow?
Try an enema. Ok, that wont give you the love and appreciation you seek, but it will help you to clean your digestive system.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:05 pmmbbspdhil: Did congress approve the US war against Serbia?
Did Congress approve the US bombing of Iraq in 1998?
Did Congress approve the unilateral bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998 (around there)?
Did congress approve the US attack on the Chinese embassy?
February 25th, 2007 at 10:05 pmkaty: love is better than hate.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:06 pmRachel, I’m still waiting for you to display this incredible intelligence zooey claims you have?
February 25th, 2007 at 10:08 pmZooey: No Bush wouldn’t. You people are so blinded by your hate.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:09 pm>Really? And your dream about someone´s tongue in your ass can be called what?
You should try it.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:09 pm“It’s strange Vince doesn’t realize GWB would throw him under the first bus to come along, if it became convenient.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 10:05 pm”
And it’s strange that folks like Vince and I hang around here waiting for you to say something that makes sense!
February 25th, 2007 at 10:17 pmVince P,
February 25th, 2007 at 10:17 pmNorth Korea has already popped a nuke. Iran has the material to build at least 1 Plutoniun bombs and two Uranium bombs. Not the lightweight ones that the US and Russia have developed using highly enriched uranium, more like Little Boy and Big Boy. Delivery is a problem, but, the yeilds are around eight to ten kilotons. If W really pissses them off, take some barbeque sauce to Crawford, but be sure to wear a radiation suit.
And it’s strange that folks like Vince and I hang around here waiting for you to say something that makes sense!
Comment by michael
How would you recognize it, michael? You are one of the most stupid trolls to ever grace out presence.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:20 pm#226 – Vince P,
February 25th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI don’t know, how does it taste?
Zooey: No Bush wouldn’t. You people are so blinded by your hate.
Comment by Vince P
You are blinded by your out of control fear and misguided loyalty.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:21 pm#229 – Me,
February 25th, 2007 at 10:23 pm“Plutoniun bombs ” s/b “Plutonium bomb “
Bye bye Sweden
At the same time as immigration to Sweden increased, emigration out of the country also rose. During 2006, 44,908 people emigrated, an increase of 18 percent compared to the previous year.
The last time a higher number of people emigrated from Sweden was in 1892, 45,504 people packed their bags and left the country.
Bye bye Germany
Faced with poor job prospects, high taxes and an intrusive bureaucracy, more and more Germans are choosing to emigrate. Most of those who leave, though, are highly qualified [and young] – which could mean devastating economic consequences. [...] They are fed up with living in a country where all opportunities already seem to be taken: opportunities to succeed in one’s career, to own property and to achieve prosperity.
Bye bye Holland
In the first nine months of this year, almost 100,000 people left the Netherlands to settle elsewhere, 12,000 more than the same period last year. […] The net effect means the Dutch population was reduced in the 2004-06 period by 75,000. In the preceding three years, there was a positive net migration of 75,000. Despite the dramatic reversal, the number of immigrants is also on the increase.
Bye bye Britain
Apparently almost a million British citizens have left the country since 2000, to live somewhere else. Last year, according to the Office for National Statistics, 380,000 people left Britain, of whom about 200,000 were British citizens. At the same time, though, 565,000 immigrants arrived in Britain, the overwhelming majority from […] [Muslim] Pakistan and Bangladesh.
These facts were reported as if they were entirely unrelated. Nobody dared to venture that there was perhaps a very direct and causal relationship […] Even for our most free-thinking and dependable think-tank, Civitas, this was a bridge too far. Its spokesman, Robert Whelan, ventured that perhaps the parlous state of the [national] health service [NHS] was to blame for the exodus. You know, I suspect the majority of those who left had next to no contact with the NHS; they are, in the main, pre-middle-aged and healthy. No, it seems patently clear to me that an important reason […] that so many Brits are getting the hell out is that they think there are too many non-European foreigners here […]
February 25th, 2007 at 10:29 pmmichael: i have to correct something you said:
>And it’s strange that folks like Vince and I hang around here waiting for you to say something that makes sense!
I am not waiting for the impossible. I’m just here to confront the echo chamber with the truth.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWalt: I dont believe in appeasement. If we piss them off, to freakin bad. They should be worried about pissing us off.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:35 pmmore proof the left is tolerant and diverse.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
an endless supply of evidence that the left is tolerant and diverse, and progressive.
yes indeed folks, Think Progress does not allow hate speech of any kind.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:41 pmballbuster: The Left goes so far as to support the Theocracy of Iran if it means not having to agree with thier fellow Americans.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:41 pmmore proof the left is tolerant and diverse.
Vince you might want to post a link to your 365gay profile for michael.
He likes you.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Comment by ballbuster
How is that not tolerant, ballslobber? Vince volunteered the fact that he’s gay on the first day he came around here, and he put up a link to his 365gay page.
Vince is a f*cktard, but that’s not because he’s gay.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:47 pmI volunteered that info on the same I discovered a thread on here calling for the death of Glen Beck because he had said that someone else said the word ‘faggot’. Oh you should have seen everyone defending the world’s gays from having people say things about them.
Well no more. Since I said I was , it was open season on gays.
February 25th, 2007 at 10:53 pm“Three Arab states in the Persian Gulf would be willing to allow the Israel Air force to enter their airspace in order to reach Iran in case of an attack on its nuclear facilities, the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyasa reported on Sunday.
According to the report, a diplomat from one of the gulf states visiting Washington on Saturday said the three states, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates, have told the United States that they would not object to Israel using their airspace, despite their fear of an Iranian response.
Al-Siyasa further reported that NATO leaders are urging Turkey to open its airspace for an Attack on Iran as well and to also open its airports and borders in case of a ground attack.
According to a British diplomat who spoke to an Al-Siyasa correspondent, Turkey will not repeat the mistake it made in 2003, when it refused to open its airspace to U.S. Air Force overflights en route to attacking Iraq.”
February 25th, 2007 at 10:53 pmI don’t know, how does it taste?
Comment by WaltTheMan
That was smart. Heh.
BTW, what about the teleport experiment? I cant understand too much about it. Can you put it in human words for me? BTW, Niels Bohr was a lousy teacher but Rutherford excel at that. (Just throwing some anecdotes I recall when talking about science)
February 25th, 2007 at 10:54 pmAre you talking about the principle in subatomic quantum physics where some particles have correlating properties and that they somehow can communicate their state to each other instantaneously without regard to time and space?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:01 pmWell no more. Since I said I was , it was open season on gays.
Comment by Vince P
Yeah, right.
Dismissed.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:02 pm“How would you recognize it, michael? You are one of the most stupid trolls to ever grace out presence.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 10:20 pm”
Ah! Liberal name calling! A sure sign of defeat!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:03 pmWell no more. Since I said I was , it was open season on gays.
Careful Sally, your closet doesn’t have a whole lot of room.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:04 pmBall-Slobber-Robber?
Mind your own fu*cking business Ball-Sucker.
Or is it Bald-Knobber?
Is that tolerant enough for you?
Vince P. can be a Fu*cktard perfectly fine on his own, but if you however, feel the need to bolster his fuc*ktardness, then by all means keep posting for all the world to see your “intolerance” to humanity.
And as always, as I say to all NeoCons, and in the words of your fearless, fat bloated corpse, Dick Cheney, and in the name of the “sham” your Leader GWB has made of the Judiciary in this country, I say to you on behalf of Patrick Leahy, I give you a “Royal”
Go Fu*ck yourself.
Next troll!
Line em up!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:05 pmZooey: you’re the master on denying the reality of those things that you rather not have to think about.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:05 pm“Vince is a f*cktard, but that’s not because he’s gay.
Comment by Zooey — February 25, 2007 @ 10:47 pm”
And you are incapable of carrying on a coherent intelligent discussion! Where’s Rachel?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:07 pm#249 Sally, reality is fully on the liberal side.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:07 pmWhere is Rachel?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:10 pmWell no more. Since I said I was , it was open season on gays.
Comment by Vince P
Everyone “else” is exempt from this Vince, only YOU are affected.
Don’t you just love “leeching” off of both worlds ?
I mean you “need” Dems around to bolster your sexual affiliation, yet you LOVE war and battle and death, this obviously from the “Repugnican” ’side of you”
Make up your mind Vince.
Where do you stand?
Log Cabin Republicans?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:10 pmAh! There she is! When are you going to embarrass me with all this intelligence zooey says you have?
February 25th, 2007 at 11:14 pm#253 Michael, please, if you want to feel superior go to Redstate. You may be in the upper 50% there.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:16 pm“#253 Michael, please, if you want to feel superior go to Redstate. You may be in the upper 50% there.
Comment by JPark — February 25, 2007 @ 11:16 pm”
Not TRYING to feel superior here, it just happens!
February 25th, 2007 at 11:17 pm#255 Michael, I feel for you. Your obvious mental pain is a sad, sad affliction. Inferiority complexes CAN be overcome. Get help.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:26 pmVince & michael,
Thanks for staying here this evening and not stinking up the rest of the blog — not too much anyway.
Heh.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:28 pmAint that the truth. I love after I demostrate some aspect of Islam that is unique and particular to it and not very widely known that they start their howls of protest and tell me I need to a read a book,,, which is precisely what I had just finished doing. They speak with such certainty but from a place of total delusion. They’ll make good dhimmis.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:46 pmThanks for staying here this evening and not stinking up the rest of the blog — not too much anyway.
Heh.
- Zooey
Well for my own mental health I dared not go into the Oscars threads for fear the shallowness swallow me whole.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:47 pmThey’ll make good dhimmis.
Comment by Vince P
You will, too. It’s our ultimate plan, you know.
February 25th, 2007 at 11:52 pmNot TRYING to feel superior here, it just happens! Comment by michael
Don’t let Vince fool you. You’re just as inferior as he is, toilet lickers.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:17 amWell for my own mental health I dared not go into the Oscars threads for fear the shallowness swallow me whole. Comment by Vince P — February 25, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Low self esteem, and fear of your own weaknesses. Yep, you definitely should get mental help – sicko.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:18 amoh look schoolyard sally here to lower things to her level.
February 26th, 2007 at 12:21 amoh look schoolyard sally here to lower things to her level.
Comment by Vince P — February 26, 2007 @ 12:21 am
Yeah sally, why must you always lower things to your level?
February 26th, 2007 at 12:27 am#Comment Spew by PeteB — February 25, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
OK LETS WAIT FOR THEM TO KILL US!!? You pacifists are so Null and void of any intelligent reasoning….Apparently you all missed that Iran’s leaders goals are to eventually take the world over and rule by Islam Law and oppress all.
Source? And don’t say Big-Dick Cheney. He Lies.
You appeasing fools won’t get it until they have invaded our country or bombed our allies. How many innocent people must die while these lunatics suicide bomb and murder innocent people before you hippies understand that this is a world wide war that will not be over until one side has sustained so much damage that it’s unbearable to fight again!
Which people, the Iraqui civilians that hadn’t done anything to us?
YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HIPPIE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY THEORY WACKOS. PREEMPTION IS THE ONLY WAY TO INSURE THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY AND FUTURE OF THE FREE WORLD……..
And you have a bunch of foam around your mouth… pretty hard to take you seriously… you might want to wipe that off.
You, sir, are what is wrong with this country. The pre-emptive “1% Doctrine” is idiotic. By extension, since I have a 1% belief that you might try to harm me, I can blow your head off. Right? Brilliant.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:14 am“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.†– Ayatollah Khomeini
“The final goal of the revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€. – commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi
an advisor to the new Iranian govt says his country’s objective is the destruction of the evil in the world perputated by England and the nations derived from England
commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, said on state television, “The final goal of the [1979] revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€. “God willing, the 21st century will see the defeat of the U.S. and the Zionists, and the victory of freedom-seeking nations of the worldâ€.
Commandant of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, said on state television. “God willing, the 21st century will see the defeat of the U.S. and the Zionists, and the victory of freedom-seeking nations of the world. The final goal of the [1979] revolution is to create global Islamic rule and a regime of law to be led by the Imam Mahdiâ€.
The [Iranians] President’s chief strategist, Hassan Abbassi, has come up with a war plan based on the premise that “Britain is the mother of all evils†– the evils being America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, the Gulf states and even Canada, all of whom are the malign progeny of the British Empire. “We have a strategy drawn up for the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization,†says Mr Abbassi. “There are 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and in the West. We have already spied on these sites and we know how we are going to attack them… Once we have defeated the Anglo-Saxons the rest will run for cover.â€
The IRGC chief warned that Iran was seeing through “critical days†and “fate-determining yearsâ€. He described the purpose of Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution as the “Salvation of Muslims†from the hands of the “oppressive U.S. and Israelâ€.
February 26th, 2007 at 1:21 amThe bottom line is this .
Certain parts of our us government who truly hold power have over the years done the same thing!!!!!
They orcastrait terror attacks on there own people in order to go to war for power and oil !!!! The documents that are free to everyone in the information act that was passed proves this beond a shadow of a doupt….
They have done it in the past and our doing it again !!!!!
WAKE UP PEOPLE They want world domination!!!!!!!
We have enough evidence to inpeach the bastards and havent done it yet!!!! Why?????????
ohc bombing is proved to be fbi cia coverup.. it was funded by our government … And now the fbi has it seald to conceal it . Everyone look at the 9-11 news videos Its a fact there were placed charges ….
I have seen as have many other people , the pentagon servalence video of the suposed 757 hitting the pentigon . hmmmmm ive flown alot of 757’s in my time and that whitch hit the pentigon was by no means a 757 not even close to a 727 ….. The evidence is in our faces and we do nothing . I feel like moving to cuba to stay off the grid when this shit blows up in our faces . Hey theres another one …. john f kennedy was assasinated because he found out our government was going to stage attacks on us soil in order to go to war with ussr and cuba . And yes there is documents backing this up .This shit is proven to be true…….. The declassified documents proove it!!!!!!!
IMPEACH THESE SATANIC RITUAL HOLDING BOHEMIAN GROVE LUNATICS…….
February 26th, 2007 at 9:59 am“#
Where are the gun carrying schitzophrenics when you need them?”
Comment by CoffinsDrapedWithFlags — February 25, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
They only work for the right!
February 26th, 2007 at 12:52 pmWhy are we missing the REAL story about Hersh’s interview on CNN today. He said today in the last few minutes of the interview, the US is illegally funneling funds to anti-Shia groups throughout the Middle East, these groups the US is financing include 3 jihadist organizations with similar anti-western objectives of Al qaeda. HOW COULD YOU MISS THAT PART OF THE INTERVIEW? WHERE IS THE WHOLE TRANSCRIPT? It is much more important than the first portion of the interview, we know the US is planning to attack Iran, but we have never heard that the US is funding anti-US terrorists, its treason, its tyranny, its the most obviously impeachable offense to get Bush on. GET THE WORD OUT, find the last portion of the interview and POST IT EVERYWHERE. This could actually get him impeached. Can you imagine the headlines in middle America… US Funds Anti-US Terrorists Groups!!!
It would not surprise me if we are sending brain-washed Guantanomo Bay prisoners to Iraq as suicide bombers
February 26th, 2007 at 1:11 pm@ Chris, #269:
That is some of the WORST butchering of the English language I have ever seen. You give conspiracy theorists a bad name, dude…
Give this whole Iran scenario another year and a half. If it looks like a Democrat (who supports troop pull-out, mind you…) is going to win the Presidency, then you can bet that he’ll pull the trigger on, at the very least, expanding the war into Iran to attack sites supporting Iraqi insurgents. Then, using the still stalled “talks” with Iran regarding de-nuclearization as an excuse, he’ll launch yet another regime-change attack – this time directed at Ahmadinejad. We may NEVER get out of the middle east so long as Bushco is running the show…
February 26th, 2007 at 1:51 pmEvil Twins
When you closely examine 21st century Republicanism and Islamic extremism against the light of truth and the facts, there really is no difference. They are both evil twins.
One twin thinks that it is OK to hijack airliners and murder thousands of people by flying the aircraft into the twin towers of New York. The other evil twin (21st century republicanism) is OK with that event and actually lets it happen so they can use this tragedy to their self serving advantage. Both twins use God and religion to justify their lack of integrity, moral deficits and personal crimes against humanity. Both twins also use God and Religion as a shield to ward off criticism anytime someone exposes their shortcomings, lies and criminal activities. Both twins only represent a small minority of people and have sociopathic views not shared by the mainstream or majority of any religion or population of people. In short…they are evil twins and they will go to any extreme to get control over the lives and livelihood of others.
In retrospect, Bush’s keepers and handlers must have known to some degree that he was a total screw-up before he first became president. Bush and his daddy Cheney were both very clueless about being true political statesmen or leaders of this nation. As such, they did the only thing they knew how to do… fleece the middle and lower classes of the nation to make the rich even richer. It is no secret that Bush was the worst governor Texas ever knew and the tax payers of Texas continually got stiffed by Bush and his policies. Actually, there is nothing that Bush has ever touched that did not turn to crap whether as Governor of Texas or President of the USA.
And Cheney…he is the evil twin’s evil daddy. He is nothing more then a corporate CEO who likes to see rich corporations prosper from the sweat, blood and life of others. Thanks to Cheney, Halliburton Corporation has been allowed carte blanch to freely rake in billions in American taxpayer’s money, blood, & lives. Also, Cheney is the kind of guy who likes to approve and sign anti-gay legislation while at the same time…telling the world that it is out of line to make mention of his lesbian daughter, her lesbian lover or out of wedlock pregnancy. Pretty typical of most Republicans who like to have it both ways. They claim to be paragons of virtue and morality and this is somehow made manifest with anti-gay rhetoric and anti-gay legislation while they hide the fact that they have gay family members and gay members within their ranks.
Regardless of all the lies that Bush & Cheney made to the people of the USA during the 2000 campaign, the truth is that fact that they were simply liberal neoconservative puppets of the Project for a New American Century and those were the only interests they represented. In retrospect, it is amazing that the Republican Party was stupid enough to back these 2 idiots considering the damage they’ve done to the Republican Party. Money is what got these 2 unqualified maggots into the Whitehouse and that, just like absolute power, only attracts the absolutely corrupt. In retrospect, Bush & Cheney are both true cowards who never ever served their country which is partially why they run it like true hypocrites.
In any case, here is the timeline of events regarding the evil twin in the USA (21st century republicanism) from the moment it illegally stole the Whitehouse in 2000.
First line of business upon seizing political power in the USA was to ignore any and all credible information from the previous presidential administration regarding the real threat that terrorism posed to this nation. If that did not work then the other tactic was to lie about having all the facts and put the blame on various agencies. If that did not work, simply blame the previous president even though that president went to great lengths to educate and warn the new president of the dangers radical Islam posed to the USA. The Bush presidency has been the best friend that radical Islam and Islamic terrorists could ever have. These two evil twins just keep ratcheting up the problems with very little to no resistance.
Second line of business was to get a rubberstamp congress. Translated: Remove the legal divide that is supposed to exist between Congress and the Whitehouse so that Rove, Bush & Cheney will have no obstacles to promoting their self serving anti-constitutional goals. Bush took a very long vacation when he first became president and all he did was waste American tax payer dollars going around the country doing anything and everything possible to bolster Republican control of Congress. It eventually happened. From that point forward, democracy in this nation had become severely compromised as Congress had ceased to be the voice of the people and had become the Republican auction house for legislation to the highest bidder. Legislation to make tax cuts for the filthy rich minority of the nation were many of the outcomes here as that is exactly who pushed for the legislation. This met with little to no resistance when it went through each congressional hurdle.
Third line of business was to allow something horribly tragic to happen to Americans on American soil by foreigners. We all know this as 9/11. This was the so called “another pearl harbor” that Bush’s neoconservative handlers and keepers at the Project for a New American Century wanted. This was the flash point they had waited for in order to promote their murderous power and wealth consolidating plans and it is not a conspiracy theory. It is a known fact that Bush knew this attack against America was under way long enough to save the second twin tower and it is also a known fact that Cheney conveniently happened to be at NORAD while this attack was going on and that he grounded all military jets. Cheney personally grounded all available fighter jets so that they could not intercede with the events that were in progress.
After the destruction of the twin towers on 9/11, Rove, Bush, Cheney, the PNAC & their rich wealthy corporate elite knew they could get anything they wanted all at tax payer’s expense and taxpayer’s lives. From this point…they simply keep this up as long as they can maintain power and control over others. For the Evil Twin in the USA (21st Century Republicanism), this created the perfect smoke screen for them to get away with anything they wanted all under the disguise of God, Country, Patriotism, fear of terrorism and Protecting the USA. Raiding the national treasury and diverting upwards towards the rich and elite who did not need the money had never been easier.
For Republicans at the top of the food chain who got a chance to participate in this pathetic little circus, here was the pay off:
POLITICAL CONTROL & BIG MONEY!!!
1) Fleecing the middle and lower classes of the USA. Bush has quietly shifted this nation backwards to the dark ages of a “trickle down economy on steroids†and this one is far more destructive to our nation and to democracy then any past trickle down economy. This one cuts taxes on the rich, shifts that burden and more to the middle class and spends like there is no tomorrow all while claiming to be conservative. It’s amazing that the religious right wing buys into this non-conservative form of government. However, the one dimensional voting habits of the religious right wing are why they are liked by the Republican Party. The religious right wing never votes the big picture and always casts their vote for any pathetic waste of skin who claims to be moral or against abortion.
2) Consolidation of wealth towards the rich, wealthy & elite of the nation. This is a universal constant during war times and is always the outcome of war profiteering. History always bears this out and those who understand this always smell a profit to be made in the middle of the shed blood of our citizens.
3) Politicians who are not of, for or by the people but who are in the pockets of a wealthy minority of the country. Bush, Rove & Cheney are responsible for some of the most corrupt legislation and policies that money can buy. Bush pimped the presidency and made his republican controlled congress an auction house to the highest bidder. It worked! In retrospect, this actually exposed Republicans for what they really are as opposed to the ideology that they claim to stand for. It’s like claiming to believe that you are conservative while living a life that is a total lie and is the complete opposite of one’s stated conservative or family values based beliefs and ideology.
4) Legislation that cuts taxes only for the rich, wealthy & elite under the general lie of tax cuts for all. The only real beneficiaries of Bush’s tax cuts have been a very small minority of rich wealthy people who do not even need the cuts. This is typical of neoconservatives and to some degree…Republican political tactics regarding taxation. They claim to be for fewer taxes so the way they approach this is simply to redesign the tax tables so that the middle class pays more in taxes then those who are filthy rich. That way Republicans can say that they did not increase taxes on the nation.
The end result is still the same which ends up being increased taxation on the middle class to make up for the unnecessary tax cuts Republicans always make for the rich. In this case, it’s even worse because Bush’s administration has demonstrated Enron style accounting tactics with our nation and his administration has been a terrible steward with our nation’s resources, treasury and lives. This is truly Satan wearing the costume of conservatism and the face of the religious right wing and Republicans. Sadly…there is absolutely nothing conservative about this current generation of people who belong to 21st century republicanism.
5) Assurances that the rich and wealthy of the nation will not be paying for the financial indiscretions of the Bush / Cheney / Rove Republican circus that has created debt far exceeding all past Democrat presidencies combined. The way this presidency has being paying for their war mongering has been on wasting our nation’s resources, and largely doing so on credit. Bush even admits that he does not know who all his administration has borrowed money from in order to finance his daddy’s personal private war of greed and aggression. However, his administration goes to great lengths to hide this particular truth. Bush & Cheney have been mortgaging the future of the middle and lower classes of this nation and effectively hiding it.
Our nation currently owes hundreds of millions of dollars to other nations thanks to all the money that the Bush administration has borrowed to waste on war and other illegal, unconstitutional efforts. Throwing away our tax dollars while borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars from other nations and decreasing taxation on the rich and wealthy has created debt that our grandchildren’s children will most likely be stuck with. While economic indicators on Wall Street are constantly touted as evidence that our Nation’s economy is doing great, those numbers can easily dip into the negative in a New York minute if Bush is allowed to drive this nation into further debt.
Finito
There ya have it. One evil twin (radical Islam) loves to murder innocent people in the name of Allah and their radical beliefs that are completely outside of mainstream Islam. The other evil twin (The 21st Century Republicanism of Rove, Bush, his evil daddy Cheney, Neo-conservatism and the PNAC) actually allows the mass murder of their own citizens in the name of God in order to get what they want. They both got exactly what they wanted starting on 9/11/2001.
However, the evil twin in the USA probably got more then they wanted. One constant in this universe is the fact that those who have delusions of personal power and think that they are great usually do not require help from anyone in screwing things up for everyone. Bush, Cheney, Rove and their kind probably got exactly what their self serving, greedy hearts desired but they are probably clueless regarding the price that they personally will have to pay in the end. It’s not over and history will ultimately remember them for the spineless, gutless reptiles that they are along with their many right wing sycophants who share their un-American, un-Christian, un-Godly, un-constitutional views and ideologies.
February 26th, 2007 at 2:54 pmTasky: Your vast stupidity has no concept of what Islamism is. If anything the group-think america hating of you and your friends here are the American analog for Jihad. Totally unhinged, emotional, illogical, rapid automatons, who arrogantly think you’re everyone’s better. but you suck.
February 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pmem>Wow, that sounds just like what he wrote almost exactly two years ago:
The Administration has been conducting secret reconnaissance missions inside Iran at least since last summer. Much of the focus is on the accumulation of intelligence and targeting information on Iranian nuclear, chemical, and missile sites, both declared and suspected. The goal is to identify and isolate three dozen, and perhaps more, such targets that could be destroyed by precision strikes and short-term commando raids.
For all those who demanded the Bush administration prove that Iranians were meddling in Iraq, which they did, how many will demand that Hersh provide any evidence that we’ve been doing any clandestine reconaissance missions inside Iran?
Funny that is, Hersh contradicts his earlier reports today:
BLITZER: And you write that already, some special operations forces, some U.S. intelligence forces have crossed the line and have gone into Iran. Is that right?
HERSH: Oh, yes, that’s been happening for months. There’s been a lot of very aggressive cross-border activity. It’s more than just casual. There has been a lot of — of jumping over the border, chasing bad guys, or people we think are bad guys. That’s been going on quite a bit.
Wait, wait, wait. In January 2005, Hersh reported that the administration had been conducting reconaissance missions inside Iran since the summer of 2004. Now he’s saying that US intelligence forces have only been in Iran for months?
What’s it going to be Hersh? Were you right in 2005 (well, no) or are you right now (fool me once….)?
Oh well, the drooling liberal masses will eat it up without thinking, as evidenced quite easily here at Think Progress. Good job guys.
Don’t let Hersh’s contradictory record get you down. Believe. BELIEVE!
Comment by Seixon — February 25, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
—————————–Summer of 2004 was about 30 months ago. And I guess u never knew that 30 months could be described as “months.” Just as a person may very well describe something that happened 30 years ago as having happened years ago. Maybe try some good menatation, so that u might stregthen ur power 2 think critically.
February 26th, 2007 at 11:09 pmNeedless to say, I have still not been contacted by whoever was talking tough about making a wager.
Jexicon,
I do not know of a single (literate) person who would describe a period of 30 months as “months”. Nor do I know of such a person who would describe a period of 10,950 days as “days”. That was just about the most pathetic attempt to defend Hersh’s nonsense yet. He could have said nanoseconds and you would still say he was correct…. Golf clap.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:10 amhttp://the-gathering-storm.blogspot.com/2007/02/winds-of-war-is-there-light-at-end-of.html
Winds of War: Is There a Light at the End of the Tunnel?
All of us anti-jihadists have for several years blogged about the Islamist’s threat to our freedom loving civilization and those that appease and support that threat. Some of us have tried to educate the masses for many years, others for just a year or less. All of us wonder if we are doing any good or just ‘preaching to the choir’. So, we might want to stop and take a breather and see some of the advancement in the Muslim communities that the anti-jihadist bloggers is contributing to.
I’d like to submit that there may just be a light at the end of the tunnel – and that light is not from an oncoming train.
First, think about this fellow bloggers. Many of us have been at this for only several short years and this conflict between the Islamist ideology and that of the free world is just in its beginnings – really. It’s in its beginnings because we are only now fully understanding the threat that is unfolding and some of us are able to piece together and identify the actual tactics that they’re using. It’s becoming clear that there are more than one jihads in play here. Militant jihad is only the most well-known. But the litigation, media, institutional, cultural, demographic, and economic and financial jihads, and the Muslims that support them, are only now being identified.
Second, over the last year or so, there have been individual Muslims or scholars on Islam like Walid, Hirsi Ali, and Spencer who have risen to the challenge, regardless of the mainstream media’s ambivalence, and have voiced their opposition to the Islamist agenda.
To me, this is encouraging and should be seen as real progress in such a short time as seen thorough the anti-jihadist window of last few years. Here are some recent examples of why I mean.
Lately, there have been individual but not so publicized news items like these that prove that we are having some effect on the debate. This is an open letter sent by Ibrahim Abdul Mu’min, the NY Chapter President of the Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism.
==quote==
I am a Muslim, a Conservative, Patriotic, American-born, anti-terrorist, Muslim. I believe in Allah*, his mercy, and his prophets. I believe in the mission of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh)*. However… I care nothing for the phony fahtwahs* of mad-mullahs. I denounce the scholars-for-petrol-dollars, the jihad ravings of insane, homicide bombers, and the Wahabi House-of-Saud fraud. I will stand against all terrorist activities, completely, with no apologetic, leftist, misgivings.
It is a deliberate, heretical, misinterpretation of the Holy Qur’an by power-hungry, Islamic-Fascist gangsters who care nothing for the words of Allah or his prophets! It is Fascism*, I have been warned by other Muslims not to use this word… but the oppressive and brutal dictatorships that foster, aid, and abet terrorism can be called nothing else. In this repressive, terrorist view of Islam there is no communion of man and God…no beautiful mingling of soul and spirit…no soft, sweet smells so beloved by the Prophet (pbuh)…. Never. The smell of this type of Fascist Islam is the smell of violence and death…the smell of blood and burning.
==unquote==
Another article about Muslim’s who see the danger posed by their mosques.
==quote==
Gina Khan is a British Muslim woman who lives near the men suspected of a plot to kidnap and kill a Muslim soldier. She says that it’s time to stop the radicals, and to stop being afraid of them. Gina Khan is a very brave woman. Born in Birmingham 38 years ago to Pakistani parents, she has run away from an arranged marriage, dressed herself in jeans and dared to speak out against the increasing radicalisation of her community.
Over the past 15 years, she says, there has been an influx of jihadist thinking into her part of Birmingham. Bookshops sell radical literature and the mosques preach separatism and hatred. The Government and the white Establishment have allowed it to happen. And she is outraged about it. “It’s all happening on your doorstep,†she says, “and Britain is still blind to the real threat that is embedded here now.
“I truly believe that all these mosques here are importing jihad. The radical teaching is filtering through, and these mosques are not regulated. They are supporting everything that is wrong about Islam. We within the community knew this. People are lying. They are in denial. They knew they were bringing in radicals. “But there are still more English and British people, no matter what, and if they got together and wanted to stamp out this radicalism, they could. I am wasting my time talking to my own people; that is why I am sitting here talking to you, to open your eyes.â€
==unquote==
And this on the veil controversy in the UK.
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Britain’s first Muslim peer has condemned women wearing veils as “a barrier to integration” and called for an end to their use.
Reigniting the controversial debate over the wearing of the face veil, or niqab, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham said there was no religious reason why Muslim women should wear them and that they were now causing society more harm than good.
The Yorkshire peer, who last night spoke out over veils in a debate in the heart of the Arab world, stressed that a sensible discussion was needed urgently within Muslim communities about whether veils represented a danger to integration in British society.
He backed the motion “This House believes the face veil is a barrier to integration in the West” at a debate in Doha, Qatar.
He told the Yorkshire Post: “The veil is now a mark of separation, segregation and defiance against mainstream British culture.
==unquote==
Add these news stories to women questioning the second class status of Muslim women claiming sexism is rife in many Muslim communities, Muslim leaders in Australia back plan to fly the Australian flag outside mosques, and even a Saudi journalist and expert on Islamic movements and Islamic fundamentalism as well as Saudi affairs wrote that the Muslim Brotherhood should be disbanded.
Finally, there are real anti-jihadist organizations that have come into being that are not the mouthpieces of the Islamists.
The Islamic Forum for Democracy was formed in March of 2003 by a group of Muslim professionals in the Phoenix Valley of Arizona. The group’s founder is M. Zuhdi Jasser, M.D. He felt that AIFD could formally articulate the fact that in commentary and scholarship that many Muslims believe that they are able to practice their faith more freely and more Islamically in America than in any other place in the world.
AIFD seeks to make a small contribution to the body of thought which articulates an understanding of Islam which separates religion and state and is in complete harmony with the U.S. Constitution and our citizenship pledge.
In the wake of 9/11 and a series of terrorist attacks in Indonesia, President Wahid and the founder of LibForAll established the LibForAll Foundation – inspired by the methods used by President Wahid’s own ancestors to defend Javanese culture from religious extremism five centuries ago. Within Indonesia, they have formed a network of opinion leaders in the fields of religion, education, popular culture, government, business and the media working to preserve their culture’s enlightened embrace of religious tolerance and diversity in the face of a renewed tide of extremism that is sweeping the entire Muslim world.
Then we have CAIR and the MAS– that blatant supporter of the Islamist cause. But as it turns out, they may not speak for as many Muslims as they think. The 910 Group reports:
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“An inspection of CAIR’s most recent publicly available IRS Form 990 (2004) shows for that year they received $119,029 in membership dues for that year (line 3). But at $25 per membership (the current rate is $35), that would mean that in 2004, CAIR only had 4,761 dues-paying members – less than 5,000 members out of 8 million Muslims in America. This would mean that CAIR only represents 1 out of every 1,680 Muslims. Even if a lower 6 million Muslim population figure were assumed, CAIR could still only claim representation for 1 out of every 1,260 Muslims for that year.
“MAS is in even less representative than CAIR. In 2004, MAS received $87,299 in membership dues — a dramatic decrease in membership from 2003 ($366,613 in members dues received) and 2002 ($378,993 received). Membership has declined so rapidly for MAS that they have stopped offering memberships on their website altogether, though MAS has not publicly acknowledged, let alone explained, their stunning membership decline since 9/11.â€
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Are all these positive signs? Don’t know for sure. But there is some courage in the Muslim community when facing those who want to advance the Islamist agenda. It will take some time to see.
Or to quote Einstein, “Civilization is a race between education and catastrophe.â€
February 27th, 2007 at 10:13 amThe rhetoric being used in regards to Iran is the same rhetoric that was used in the pre-invasion to Iraq, only the reasons to attack is different. It is becoming more obvious that PNAC is the map that is being followed to implement foreign policy, regardless of how the american people may feel about it. Unless the mainstream media renews its reporting in the way it was intended ;asking the tough questions, giving voice to the voiceless, and showing all sides to a story, we will, as citizens once again find ourselves audience to a conflict , being fought in our name, that most never wanted to begin with.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThe Rhetoric that Regressives use to oppose the US defending itself against Iran is the same Rhetoric the Regressives use whenever the US does anything that is in its interest.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:58 pmi was reading the posts and i find it very disturbing, such deep hatred ,reasonless,thoughtless,people just saying the worst thing they can think of i suppose trying to show of their intellectual humor i think somthing has happened to us as a people because you see we no longer act as a people the polarization displayed here is not much different than what you will find in he middle east i am not at all happy with the war and i have told my congressman i for instance don’t think wars should be conducted to liberate anouther culture especialy if we don’t understand that culture i think wars should be a last resort and if war becomes inevidable then it should be devestating to the enemy i also think that the congress must declare war before this should happen . so you see i am not a bush butt kisser however i am not going to call the president names i’m not going to hope for something terrible to happen to him that would make me look like an idiot and minimize my position and like him or not i am an american and he’s the president i was born here i grew up here i went to school where they tought the children to think not like the middel east schools where the children are tought to hate . so who are you people whats your problem with the war all i have heard is that you don’t like bush ,you dont like the war have you contacted youre representitve i have or do you just shoot you’re mouthes off trying to sound so intellectual .
February 28th, 2007 at 3:54 amthere is something wrong with us i honestly dont think most of realy care that much about it and i know most of you are not acting like a single people like americans and that is even more disturbing more damaging than anything the bush administration can do you know a house devided
yes something is very wrong here and it is us.
China is Americas objective. Not Iran.
Iran is nothing but a stepping stone.
As I’ve been following the news on certain issues lately, i’m surprised none of you have seen a picture forming.
The US wants to place anti missile defences in UK and other parts of Europe, some are interestingly close to Russian borders.
I wonder why?
Iraq seems to be nothing more than a base of operations. First, go in take control of the region. You’ve then got yourself an unlimited supply to fuel any war machine.
Build your bases and defenses, hence a war that seems to be going on and on… Makes me wonder who the Americans are actually fighting over there… I suspect they’re fighting each other.
Let your allies pull out.. UK planning on withdrawing a large amount of it’s troops, even though they’ll be sending prince williams troop in…
Wonder if he’ll cop a packet too..just like his mother did.
So… once you’ve got everybodys attention, you then start getting everyone angry at you yourself and I until fever pitch reaches its maximum volume, and when the timings right you move onto your next objective, Iran, which will make China come into the fight.
Which, funnily enough, is what you wanted in the first place.
So everyone will rally to the cry of their allies, China will be helped by Russia and north Korea, America by UK and… well who knows..
It all stinks.. I’ve had enough. if i’m ever president or prime minister or whatever, i’ll make damned sure that war can never break out again.
February 28th, 2007 at 7:03 amI’ll ban it ..full stop.