Lieberman: Criticism Of Administration’s Iran Intelligence Is ‘Unwarranted’
Lieberman: Criticism Of Administration’s Iran Intelligence Is ‘Unwarranted’
Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) said today that he is upset that critics have been questioning the administration’s intelligence on Iran, calling the reaction “unwarranted.” Lieberman said the “danger point” learned from the criticism is that the media and politicians reacted with “suspicion.” “I wouldn’t start with suspicion,” Lieberman said.
Lieberman also encouraged the intelligence community to push their conclusions further and complained that there has been a reluctance of people in the administration to do so. He spoke out against what he sees as “a kind of defensiveness — I dare not call it timidity” of the intelligence community due to incorrect judgments made in the lead-up to Iraq.
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Skepticism is entirely justified. The White House stated without evidence that the highest levels of the Iranian government were responsible for weapons transfers to Iraqi insurgents, but later conceded that the intelligence went “a little too far.” Prodded by bloggers, the media has begun to assert “intelligent skepticism” on Iran.
A Senate Intelligence Committe inquiry on pre-war Iraq intelligence found that more action was needed to “challenge assumptions and group think.” Lieberman’s approach dooms Congress to repeating its previous failure.
Transcript:
LIEBERMAN: I thought that the reaction to the briefing first given in Baghdad, and then later here, about Iranian involvement in Iraq showed two danger points.
The first was that a lot of people responded both in government and the Congress and in the media with a suspicion to the intelligence that came out that I thought was unwarranted. We give a lot of money to the intelligence community, taxpayer money to the intelligence community. Doesn’t mean you are flawless. You make mistakes, but I wouldn’t start with suspicion towards what you are recommending.
And the other part which was troubling what Senator Levin referred to before is the reluctance by the people in the administration to draw a conclusion that I would call highly probable. In other words, a kind of defensiveness — I dare not call it timidity — based on previous criticism of conclusions drawn from intelligence.
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So it would be, to me, shocking if the Quds force was carrying out this mission in Iraq without Ayatollah Khamanei knowing it. And I think we have to count on you on moments like that to tell us what may not be certain, but is highly probable based on everything we know.
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February 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pmPlatform criticism of the Oil Law
PLATFORM, a founding member of the Hands off Iraqi Oil coalition, has issued a series of criticisms of the draft oil law approved by the Iraqi Cabinet yestarday:
• PSAs under another name: The law allows Iraqi oil to be developed by foreign companies under long term contracts which will give them exclusive rights. These are likely to be contracts known as Production Sharing Agreements. Due to the surrounding controversy, the term Production Sharing Agreement has been dropped in favour of Exploration and Risk Contracts. ERCs are thought to be the equivalent of PSAs under a different name.
• A Surrender of Sovereignty: Article 41 legislates for any disputes between foreign companies and Iraqi authorities which cannot be resolved through negotiation to be resolved ‘through arbitration or the competent authority’. In practice this means through a secretive and remote international arbitration tribunal – over riding domestic law. Iraq will not have the power to intervene using its own judicial system.
• Parliament By-passed: With revenues (article 11) as with contracts, there is no provision for Parliamentary scrutiny. Fields such as West Qurna and Majnoon could each alone account for up to 10% of all government revenue. As such, the terms of these developments should be subject to Parliamentary debate as they are in many other countries.
• No Guarantee of State Participation: No minimum level has been set for state participation in contracts. For a country as well endowed with resources and technical skills as Iraq, a high minimum threshold would have been expected. Article 35 allows companies unlimited transfer of profits outside of Iraq. This could restrict the government’s ability to manage financial crises.
• Sectarianised Decision-Making: The newly created Federal Oil and Gas Council will decide which contracts are accepted. The Prime Minister, in consultation with the main parties is likely to decide its composition. All decisions on the fairness of the contracts and whether they serve Iraqis’ interests will be completely removed from public or parliamentary scrutiny. As with the structure of the current government, grown from the original sectarian composition of the Governing Council of June 2003, the Federal Oil and Gas Council will be sectarianised, leading to regional and sectarian agendas impacting on national economic policy. Iraqi oil union leader Hassan Jumaa comments: ‘We believe this law to be more political than economic; it threatens to set governorate against governorate and region against region’.
• Iraqi Companies Undermined: Foreign companies are only ‘encouraged’ to co-operate with Iraqi companies and purchase goods and services from them ‘whenever they are competitive’ (Art 9) Iraqis should only be employed ‘to a reasonable extent’. Normally contracts specify minimum Iraqi content and employment and minimum levels of training and technology transfer.
• Lack of Transparency: The previous requirement to have contracts published 2 months after signing has been dropped, requiring only ‘financially significant’ contracts to be published, with no time limit.
• Limited Regulatory Space: The definition of ‘good oil field practices’ (Art 4. Def 4) including relating to health and safety and environmental standards is equated to what oil companies think is right. This could seriously restrict the regulatory influence of the Iraqi government.
THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL A PUPPET GOVERMENT
February 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmSTFU, Joe, you little treasonous pr*ck.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmFu*k you Liberman, you traitor.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmThere isn’t a shred of credibility that you or the administration have after the lead up to Iraq. You’ll excuse me jo jo if I take anything that comes from this admin. with a healthy dose of skepticism. Shouldn’t you be ordering some nuclear subs that the navy doesn’t need? gotta keep that conn. military industrial complex runnin’ huh phuqface.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI can’t say this enough: Thanks again CT.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAccepting the assertions of unamed Pentagon sources as gospel is umwarranted given the failed administrations track record
—Droopey
There ya go, I fixed it for you. Continue with the water carrying.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pm“I wouldn’t start with suspicion,†Lieberman said.
After what I’ve seen from this administration these past 6 years, I think it’s entirely warranted to start everything with suspicion.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pmI wouldn’t start with suspicion,†Lieberman said.
Of course not, he starts with asking which boot, and how much spit!
February 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmThe administration of smoke & mirrors/fiction & hyperbole cannot be believed at this point – ON ANYTHING! The people have been scammed by them and now will not believe a word they say. They’ve brought it all on themselves with their twisting of truth, blatant lies, grossly exaggerated situations and usurpation of unchecked power. This administration appears to stop short of nothing – regardless of it’s level of amorality. It’s going to be two very long years unless/until Congress begins to cut them off at the knees – in the only way that they can and that is “financially”! Without funding this blitzkrieg cannot continue.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmLieberman. What a joke. What a pussy! Al Gore, what were you thinking? Gore must choke down the vomit every time he hears the name Lieberman. Obviously, Lieberman has no character, no balls, and no common sense. He has gone over to the Dark Side, never to return. He is a lap dog for the idiot president. It’s sick.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmDear Droopey,
February 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmWhen you lack objective critical thinking it would be ’shocking’ ‘troubling’ and ‘unwarranted’. You see there are consequences for selling ones soul.
Come 2008, Dems will pick up at least 8 more Senate seats and Joe will be unceremoniously dumped in the trash bin. He’ll lose his committee chairmanship and be relegated to a back bench. He may turn repub, but nobody will care. Hopefully, he will be humiliated and decide to resign.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#8 TripMaster – how can anyone begin with anything BUT total “suspicion”??? Does Liverlips Lieberman really think anyone is going to listen to his perpetual drivel. He’s a scam artist extraordinaire and the people now know it. Liberman’s political days are drawing to a rapid conclusion with his “mouth” leading the way.
I would say that the people have every justification for outright “suspicion” versus “blind faith”. We’ve seen where our “blind faith” has gotten us – into a war based on lies, into a administrative usurpation of our civil rights….how can people think otherwise at this point…unless they are as deluded as those in power.
Perhaps the only thing that Dubya has said and we’ve all taken to heart is: Once fooled, shame on me! Twice fooled, shame on you!!
February 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pmLieberman: Criticism Of Administration’s Iran Intelligence Is ‘Unwarranted’
Yeah Joe,
After the WMD report fiasco, I’ll just “take your word for it” /sarcasm
February 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pmbased on everything we know.
It has been demonstrated you know very little. Thank you for proving our point.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pmis LIEberman cheney’s separated at-birth twin or what?
all lies all the time glaringly in the face of contrary reality. Wow – its inhuman to be that outrageously disconnected from reality and either not know it or care about the disconnect.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pm.
#13 Who is the blue Muppet who lives in the trashcan? Is it Ernie? Maybe that needs to become Lie-er-man’s middle name?
February 27th, 2007 at 1:25 pmSeeing as how everything the administration says has been 180 degrees off from the truth time and time again, I’d say that suspicion is most certainly warranted no matter what the issue is. Even many republicans are sceptical nowadays.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:26 pmYeah sure Joe,
Your word is good after the WMD report. No problem honorable one.
/sarcasm
February 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmWhat a P.O.S.! Heckuva job, Connecticut!!!!
February 27th, 2007 at 1:28 pmI think what he was pointing out is that we cannot be timid with Iran when it comes to there desire for nuke weapons. Currently, we are standing around doing nothing while the Terrorist leaders of Iran are building nukes, which is very dangerous.
We need our intelligence community to quickly gather information about potential bombing targets. Iran has proven over and over that they are not interested in diplomacy. If they were interested, they would have stopped enriching Uranium. Sadly, they are not only still enriching, but have moved to full scale production of enriching Uranium. We cannot wave threats around that we won’t follow up. We asked them to stop enrichment so we could talk and they have proven that they aren’t interested in talking. This leaves us with only 2 options. 1, we bomb every single nuke site, weapon site, and government site. Or 2, we opt for full scale invasion to overthrow the government and shut down every nuke site. Option 1 would be a good start and something we need to move on very quickly. We need our intel community to gather intel on all possible nuke sites so we are prepared when we start the bombing and/or the invasion. Currently, Leibermann is frustrated at the slow pace. Hopefully someone of his status can prod the intel community to get in gear. He understand how dire this situation is. The terrorist leaders of Iran are threathening us and our allies. That cannot continue to happen while they develope nukes. Leibermann is simply doing his job and demanding that our people get their jobs done quickly so we can move to destroy all possible nuke sites, etc.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pmI don’t understand these pointless ridicule that Lieberman is a joke, lier, pussy, traitor, etc. We are the joke. He gets away with murder and accessory to murder on daily basis because no one is actually willing to connect the dots and hold people like lieberman, cheney, bushm, et. all accountable. We are the pussies.
Thanks CT for adding more things to worry about and adding more distractions away from main issue. Rule of Law and committing internation crimes.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pm“Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, well OK”* Joe Leiberschmuck
February 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pmLieberman’s two dangers:
1. People question government propaganda.
2. The government isn’t convinced by its own propaganda.
What. A. Schmuck.
Ps. #6 – we threw out a basically decent guy in Lincoln Chafee only to watch our retarded neighbors re-elect this lying jerk. Heckuva job, Ct.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pmIt seems like everything Lieberman says these days boils down to “shut up and obey”.
His personality is fundamentally unamerican. I can think of several dictatorships where he’d fit right in, though.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmUS’s Iraq oil grab is a done deal
“By 2010 we will need [a further] 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize lies.” – US Vice President Dick Cheney, then Halliburton chief executive officer, London, autumn 1999
US President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney might as well declare the Iraq war over and out. As far as they – and the humongous energy interests they defend – are concerned only now is the mission really accomplished. More than half a trillion dollars spent and perhaps half a million Iraqis killed have come down to this.
But there was not much to be debated. The law was in essence drafted, behind locked doors, by a US consulting firm hired by the Bush administration and then carefully retouched by Big Oil, the International Monetary Fund, former US deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz’ World Bank, and the United States Agency for International Development. It’s virtually a US law (its original language is English, not Arabic).
Scandalously, Iraqi public opinion had absolute no knowledge of it – not to mention the overwhelming majority of Parliament members. Were this to be a truly representative Iraqi government, any change to the legislation concerning the highly sensitive question of oil wealth would have to be approved by a popular referendum.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmThere is an agenda here, and like bush lie..berman is not to be trusted to lay out the truth.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmGive it up joe.
It appears that Joe Lieberman IS the Democratic party. Who’d a thunk it???
February 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmComment for #18
That would be Oscar, and he is green.
Oscar the grouch is not a traitor nor does he flip flop, so bad refference!
BeneDick Arnold would be better.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmThe Muppet of which you speak is Oscar the Grouch and he is green, but I always thought that was a better fit for Cheney. They both do that “Grrrrrrr” out the side of their mouth thing.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmWhere is Connecticut??? Seriously, he works for you guys! Put him back in line.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmI love all the verbal diahrrea of politicians. A lot of words, so little meaning.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pmjoe mistook his steak for chicken
February 27th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI’m gonna call that one a draw.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:39 pmLie-bermannn’s shilling for these neocon sluts is what is unwarranted!
February 27th, 2007 at 1:41 pmA draw it is Spudge_Boy……
February 27th, 2007 at 1:42 pmi’m sorry about being crass, but seriously. what a douche bag.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:43 pm“I wouldn’t start with suspicion� this entire iraq mess is because of that one sentence. a man with no credibility giving credibility to an administration that has shown over and over it does not deserve any.
THINK ABOUT IT AMERICA WILL NEVER LEAVE IRAQ
Most people in Iraq assume the U.S. invasion was about oil. When the people of Iraq learn that the majority of their oil fields are being turned over to foreign private production … it worries me. I wouldn’t want to be a soldier on the ground when the law passes.”
February 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThe DLC is going to regret not supporting Ned Lamont – pandering to Lieberman (R-Tel Aviv) will cost the US dearly.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:45 pmLieberman’s blather, summarized:
“Don’t you worry your pretty little head. Just trust me. Like last time.”
February 27th, 2007 at 1:47 pmJoe’s right, we shouldn’t start with suspicion, we should start with outright disbelief. Maybe, the lying bastards can provide enough evidence to raise that to the level of suspicion, but we shouldn’t give them the benefit of the doubt.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:47 pmGo to hell LIEberman!
February 27th, 2007 at 1:50 pmYou lying, traitorous bastard whose word is shit.
You sanctimoniously go to temple on Saturday, observing your sabbath, but your actions through the week are far less holy – you self-centered, egotistical hypocrite, you defender of evil, you who betrayed those who trusted you. Go to hell.
Great post’s all, you all are so good I have nothing to add but ,,,Blessings
February 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pm“Beltway Joe” is living proof that republicans are mindless idiots who will vote for anyone with the letter “R” behind thier name. Republicans and some dumbass Democrats in Connecticut sent this ass back to Washington.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:54 pmRoger_Rhetoric is still trying to spew his lies, I see…
Roger_Rhetoric sez:
Please present evidence that Iran is attempting to build nuclear weapons, RR. At present, we’ve seen zero such evidence from you (or anyone else).
That’s just plain retarded. Iran refused to stop enriching uranium because that’s a violation of their rights under the NPT.
I can only assuming you’re referring to the February 19th London Financial Times article, in which Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said that Iran could be as little as six months away from being able to enrich uranium to fuel-grade level on an industrial scale.
Quick question, Roger: Do you understand the difference between fuel-grade and weapons-grade uranium? I doubt it.
There’s more to your post, but it doesn’t merit a reply.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pmTrip – Roger Rabbit also claims that Iran refuses to talk but neglects to mention the numerous times that Iran has approached the US since the Afghan invasion of 2001 and has been rebuffed, ignored and its intermediaries ‘reprimanded’ by Cheney, or their overtures ‘lost’ by the lying, incompetent Secretary Rice…
Yes there is a country that prefers not to talk – it’s not Iran.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIran has proven over and over that they are not interested in diplomacy.
Comment by Roger_Roger — February 27, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Wasn’t there an Iranian written offer for negotiations that the Bush administration brushed aside? Didn’t Sec Rice claim she had no knowledge of it?
If anyone seems to have no interest in diplomacy, is this White House. And not just regarding Iran.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pmGregor – that was spooky dude.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:11 pmHey, guys, whenever Patrick1 shows up, let’s all ignore him. We (I include myself) waste too much time responding to his ignorance and stupidity. From now on, no matter what he says, let’s just move on – that should drive him crazy (and if we’re lucky, drive him away.)
February 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pm“Iran has proven over and over that they are not interested in diplomacy”
“after the U.S. overthrew their democratically elected prime minister in the ’50s.” is the end of that sentence. moreover, that has no relevance to leiberman’s ridiculous attitude.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pmAnyone catch the display of captured bomb-making gear in Iraq today? The US said it proved the Iranian link but the gear had the names and phone numbers of small businesses in Qatar, Dubai and so on stamped in the metal….
February 27th, 2007 at 2:16 pmpowkat ~ sounds like the plan.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:17 pmMost attention seeking trolls piss their panties when ignored.
Roger Rabbit needs to put away his Risk board…. and get back to forecasting gasoline prices…..$1.15 a gallon by March 21st…..right Rog?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:19 pmTripMaster,
It sounds like you are just peachy with the terrorist leaders of Iran enriching Uranium and producing nuke bombs. You don’t happen to be from Iran by any chance? I ask because only a fool or someone completely against the USA would be ok with the terrorist leaders of Iran enriching Uranium and producing nuke bombs.
Leibermann is correct on this one. Iran needs to stop enrichment right now. If they do, we certainly should hold talks with them. If they fail to stop all enrichment activity, they leave us with no option but to stop them ourselves. The UN has even put sanctions on Iran. These will only get worse and will certainly lead to regime change if they continue enrichment.
We aren’t the bad guys. We went as far as to say we would hold talks with them. They simply have to stop enrichment. Since they refuse, we can only assume that they are pushing hard to complete there first nuke bomb. We need to stop them.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmTHINK ABOUT IT AMERICA WILL NEVER LEAVE IRAQ
Comment by Tobey Tall
I’ve said this since day one will and continue to say it. The stakes for our masters are just to high.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:23 pm47,
We laid out the conditions for talks very clearly. They need to stop enrichment completely and we will be happy to talk. All those times they came to us, they were still working towards there nuke bomb and enriching. They can’t hold talks in good faith while they are still developing nuclear weapons. So, I am more then happy to achknowledge that they tried to talk with us but it wasn’t in good faith.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmOf course, Iran is willing to talk. But that’s all they’re willing to do. Oh yeah…that, and destroy Israel and the “Greatest Satan”, the US.
I suggest economic thumbscrews and advocate a shutdown of refined gasoline to Iran – they won’t dare hold back oil as they need the cash due to their horrific unemployment rate.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:26 pmsounds more like a robot all the time. should we require it to submit to a physical?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pmIt sounds like you are just peachy with the terrorist leaders of Iran enriching Uranium and producing nuke bombs.
You can’t make bombs from fuel-enriched uranium. And that’s all Iran is doing. Iran’s supreme jurisprudent had issued a fatwa against acquiring the bomb.
Why do you keep peddling lies?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pmRoger, are you aware of the fact that Haliburton has sold nuclear enrichment technology to Iran? Are you aware of the fact that Iran’s first offer of help to us included the promise that they would suspend their nuclear program?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:29 pmValiant Venus: “I suggest economic thumbscrews and advocate a shutdown of refined gasoline to Iran – they won’t dare hold back oil as they need the cash due to their horrific unemployment rate.”
I see, so your suggestion is to create an atmosphere in which they desperately need to step up their nuclear enrichment program for nuclear power. Hmmmmm.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:31 pmRoger_Rhetoric sez:
You really are quite dense, aren’t you? This entire post is predicated on the assumption that Iran is actually pursuing a nuclear weapons program…an assumption you have yet to provide ANY substantiation for.
I asked you in my last post whether or not you knew the difference between fuel-grade and weapons-grade uranium.
This paragraph is proof that you don’t know the difference between fuel-grade and weapons-grade uranium…to the contrary, it demonstrates that you aren’t aware that any difference exists at all. Thanks for playing, though.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:32 pmDear GOD, Roger’s STUPID has heavily infected this thread….
Roger_Rhetoric sez:
No, they don’t. Iran’s current uranium enrichment activities are just starting to produce fuel-grade uranium in industrially significant quantities, which they are allowed to do under the NPT.
WRONG, MORON. Enriching nuclear fuel != enriching nuclear weapons material. There’s a fundamental difference, but you’re clearly too willfully ignorant to grasp it.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:37 pm“It sounds like you are just peachy with the terrorist leaders of Iran enriching Uranium and producing nuke bombs”
one word: pakistan.
moreover, iran’s degree of “evilness” notwithstanding, leiberman saying there’s no need for suspicion is disingenuous to a huge degree. i’m not “peachy” with a senator proudly proclaiming his willful ignorance. if you like that kind of thing, let me know what flavor the kool-aid is.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pmAccording to the CIA World Fact Book, Iran has only 11.2% unemployment.
Iraq on the other hand has an unemployment rate of 25-30%.
According to your dear leaders, the British are leaving because everything in Iraq is so peachy. Using their definition, then things are roughly 3 times as peachy in Iran.
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February 27th, 2007 at 2:49 pmI’m sorry, but the next person that I see from CT is going to get a punch in the nose for subjecting us to this POS. Accountability starts at home, and the whole state of CT is responsible for this abomination.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:56 pmDoes he have a private plane? I bet that someone can make him a great offer.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmMay he be the ONLY Jew on record…
…to die from eating Gefilte fish…
…where they left in a HUGE bone…
February 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmLieberman has become irrelevant.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pmOf course, Iran is willing to talk. But that’s all they’re willing to do. Oh yeah…that, and destroy Israel and the “Greatest Satanâ€, the US.Comment by valiant venus — February 27, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
That sounds more like Israel than Iran. Last time Iran talked to us, we got our hostages back. Last time Israel talked, they invaded a country over a couple of men they never recovered.
So why do you Toranimals think Iran is the Great Satan?
I suggest economic thumbscrews and advocate a shutdown of refined gasoline to Iran – they won’t dare hold back oil as they need the cash due to their horrific unemployment rate. Comment by valiant venus — February 27, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Sure you are Toranimal. That’s just like the murdering, torturing and economic screws you applied to the Palestinians. Tell me Mighty Aphrodite, how have the Palestinians responded? Are you best friends yet after the decades of oppression and killing?
You’re on stupid Toranimal.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pmIsraeli Mole
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February 27th, 2007 at 3:46 pmAny country that sits on top of one of the world’s largest lakes of Oil does not need Nuke energy. Then again, anyone with half a brain can see that farse. The only reason that Iran has for nuclear power is truly for a bomb. Why would anyone waste the time and investment when you could take a shotgun and shot a hole in the ground and watch crude come flying out?
February 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmObviously, it’ common knowledge now that LIEberman is just a pawn for the GOP… the fact that he became independent and entered the race, even though he lost the democratic nomination, and also his hinting at possibly switching sides proves it. I can understand the frustration that everyone feels because he was elected, but please try to understand that not every person in CT voted for him. I personally voted against him and feel just as much disgust as everyone else does when I hear the verbal diarrhea that he promotes as “intelligence” or “facts”. I guess all I’m trying to say is just try to remember that not everyone in CT is for this traitor, and if it’s needed, I’d like to apologize for all the idiots in CT that actually did vote for him.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:51 pmAny country that sits on top of one of the world’s largest lakes of Oil does not need Nuke energy.
For starters, oil generally does not run electrical power plants – though gas does. Secondly, Iran’s production is dropping – peak oil has just hit them (like it hit us in the ’70s). And third, even if neither of the above were true, petroenergy expended for domestic use can not be exported for a profit.
So, in short, Roger_Roger, you are clueless.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:00 pm#70: I WISH that it was that easy. Unfortunately, he still gets airtime–how is this possible for someone who has so consistently proven himself to be an out-of-touch douchebag? Anyway, more of my $.02 here if anyone’s interested…
February 27th, 2007 at 4:02 pm#74 If you are trying to tell us that Iran doesn’t have enough Oil or Natural gas for there own energy needs, you need to wake up and pull your head out of your arse. Honestly man, you couldn’t pay people to believe that. The country exports Oil for heavens sake!! Are you also going to try and tell us that Iran would spend billions researching and investing in Nuke Energy so they could sell a few more barrels of Oil abroad? That doesn’t even kinda make sense.
Try all you want, but one of the most Oil rich countries in the world doesn’t need Nuclear energy for anything but a bomb. If you are fine with them building and owning Nuclear bombs, then you need help. I understand this is the ‘Hate America” first crowd, but at some point you really need to grab yourself and ask if you or your friends really want to be nuked today.
I would think that we would be discussing how to make sure Iran stops enrichment. Rather, you are trying to sell us that the terrorist leaders of Iran should be able to have Nuclear Warheads. Honestly, wake up.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pm“Any country that sits on top of one of the world’s largest lakes of Oil does not need Nuke energy”
so why was the u.s. helping them with nuclear technology in the ’50s, ’60s, and ’70s? and how bout that huge dam on the karun river? is that a big decoy?
February 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmAny country that sits on top of one of the world’s largest lakes of Oil does not need Nuke energy. Comment by Roger_Roger — February 27, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Yet in 1975, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld argued the opposite in order to sell Iran the Plutonium Nuclear facilities you have your panties in a bunch about.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
I understand this is the ‘Hate America†first crowd, but at some point you really need to grab yourself and ask if you or your friends really want to be nuked today. Comment by Roger_Roger — February 27, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Don’t be so hard on yourself, you were raised and taught to hate america, like all fascist idiots. You can’t help but hate america, that’s why you right wingnuts overthrew democracy in Iran in the 1950s, installed a dictator, sold them nuclear facilities in the 1970s, and negotiated with their extremists and sold them weapons with Reagan. You right wingnuts have always hated america – it’s what you do, old *ss licker.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:21 pmI would think that we would be discussing how to make sure Iran stops enrichment. Rather, you are trying to sell us that the terrorist leaders of Iran should be able to have Nuclear Warheads. Honestly, wake up.
Comment by Roger_Roger
What do you care for? Terrorists already have nukes. One of those terrorists have already used a nuke. Get a F*CKING CLUE.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:22 pmAny country that sits on top of one of the world’s largest lakes of Oil does not need Nuke energy. Then again, anyone with half a brain can see that farse. The only reason that Iran has for nuclear power is truly for a bomb. Why would anyone waste the time and investment when you could take a shotgun and shot a hole in the ground and watch crude come flying out? Comment by Roger_Roger — February 27, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
So now you claim that Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz don’t have half a brain? Well on that account, for once in your stupid old *ss licking life, you’re right, dog man.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Honestly, wake up.
Comment by Roger_Roger
i don’t think that’s what senator lieberman (I-Willful Ignorance) wants us to do.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:35 pmAny country that sits on top of one of the world’s largest lakes of Oil does not need Nuke energy.
Comment by Roger_Roger — February 27, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
I have posted this before, and I will again since Roger*2 is bent on ignoring it:
If this is your rationale for a military action against Iran, then you better gear up for an attack against Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and Argentina: All these countries are oil producers and have nuclear energy programs.
Also, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez has disclosed interest in developing a nuclear energy program for civilian use.
You have a very tough, long road ahead of you, Roger*2 -so many countries to bomb, so little time.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:44 pmSomebody needs to tell Lieberman the reason the Aitola Khomani (end of clip) doesn’t know about Iranian defenses is because he died in 1989.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
February 27th, 2007 at 4:48 pmI would think that we would be discussing how to make sure Iran stops enrichment. Rather, you are trying to sell us that the terrorist leaders of Iran should be able to have Nuclear Warheads. Honestly, wake up.
Comment by Roger_Roger —
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Rodger Codger,
For the umpteenth time. Everytime you make that stupid statement, I am going to most my reply.
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Roger x 2,
I would walk away and let them have access to “peaceful†under IAEA supervision of course, enrichment.
Then I would “take it from thereâ€
Not this hardline “no enrichment ever†stance and policy of this administration. Stop enrichment completely or will will take your country over.
What’s to stop India (whom we glorify as our enrichment partners),
What’s to stop them, or Pakistan, or North korea from giving Iran the technology?
We are ALL FOR those countries having enrichment capabilities,(except NK) but not Iran.
Israel doesn’t need enrichment capabilities because WE sold them the bombs they currently have in their arsenal.
No wonder the Iranian President is paranoid and feels threatened.
Pakistan, India and Israel. All of our allies. They have nuclear bombs.
Iran has none. Can a reasonable person NOT feel like they were being threatened by the US and it’s regional allies if even by proxy?
The Iranain President is right in demanding enrichment capabilities. And that is all he ever asked for. Bush says NO.
Know why? Because Iran has been on the PNAC “drawing board†for a long long time.
Iran knows this and they smell a conspiracy between the US and it’s “nuclear partners†in the region.
It is only natural.
No wonder they feel threatened by us. They believe it is some kind of conspiracy no doubt.
And all of that “talk†by the Iranian President, is just talk.
He is trying to keep us from being the “agressor†to his country.
They bel;ieve and rightfully so in my opinion, that there is an unlevel playing field between the US and Israel.
Wouldn’t you be really nervous about this kind of threat to a country you were the President of?
And SAY ANYTHING to make the agressors stand up and take notice that you were not just going to lie down and take it?
The Iranian President deserves a fu*cking medal in my book, for telling the western imperialists and Israel, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
The corporations did the same thing with Hitler in the 1930’s and 40’s. They built Hitler and the region up to the hilt, war profits of course, and then purposefully tore him down.
Then moved on to Korea. Then Viet Nam. The Iran Contra. Then Gulf War I. Now this Gulf War II.
Sadly, this is the ONLY way America knows to keep fiscally afloat.
There has to be a better way.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pmActually, Roger_Roger, if you didn’t know that Iran, with 70 million people, heavily subsidized gasoline, and rapidly increasing car ownership, wasn’t having to import gasoline to meet its needs – or that its oil production rates were slipping, you’re unqualified to participate in this discussion. As I said before, you don’t burn oil to make electricity – and even with you did, every drop you burn domestically is a drop you can’t sell internationally. Were you aware that other oil-rich gulf states were looking at nuclear power for the same reasons? If not, have a heaping cup of STFU until you educate yourself.
February 27th, 2007 at 5:25 pmJoe Lieberman, you are either an idiot or a liar. Of course, it’s possible you’re an idiotic liar. You want us to blindly accept the word of an administration that has been shown to lie to us.
We find out now that the Bushies have lied to us very recently in saying that Iran is behind attacks in Iraq. But Lieberman has a big blind spot when it comes to neocon deceit.
What to expect from someone who lied to his own voters? Joe Lieberman has NO integrity and has lost the benefit of the doubt.
February 27th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWell, well, well… I see that Joe “Israel First” Lieberman is at it again.
February 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pmNow the covert agent working in Iran on Weapons information was exposed by the White House because they didn’t want the truth about the illegal invasion to come out. Now we have no one to give us information and we can thank Bush/Cheney for that. Notice how the media never says a word about Plame getting the US the information we need but will talk about her as if she was a low level employee of the CIA. We could have gotten the information if only Bush/Cheney/Libby hadn’t committed TREASON. Not many people are willing to do that job now that they know the White House will leak their name to cover their lies.
February 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI don’t know about anyone else here, but I really enjoy Joe’s happy energetic face, every time I see it.
It reminds me that it is near my bedtime.
Also, the significance and gravity of his statements: unwarranted.
WOW is that strong! I feel like I’ve drank some expresso.
Thanks, JOE!!!!
February 27th, 2007 at 9:06 pmOh CT voters, with all due respect – how could you let this guy have another term???
February 27th, 2007 at 9:28 pmI hope this a*hole is appointed by the next president(obviously Democratic) along with the Conn. governor(if that is what it takes) and then both should be immediately fired. I don’t even care if its only done to Lieberwhore and Rell appoints a Repub Sen.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:15 pmtired old Joe. Why is this fool still around and getting media attention ???
February 27th, 2007 at 10:20 pmBush has lied about everything, Iraq. Is it not impossible that the reasoning for everthing after 9/11, which is a lie, that the event that is known as the official story is a lie.
Without 9/11 there is no afghan invasion. Does anyone care about finding bin laden?
Without 9/11 there is no fear tool and lies of links to Iraq.
The basis for this entire military complex comes right out of documents written by the very men in the bush administration. Libby, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Wolfawitz all a part of PNAC. -> http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
Download the pdf that PNAC released titled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”. Search that pdf for the term pearl harbor.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:36 pmThrow him out of the Caucus. Let him represent the Liberman for Lieberman Party. We don’t need him, the organizing rules of the Senate will remain in Democratic control until 2008. Then he’ll be totally irrelevant.
What a pompous, ignorant ass.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:54 pmHELLO, CONNECTICUT? YOUR Bush LAP-DOG LIE-berman IS LAPPING CHIMPya crotch and Torticola Cheney’s BALLS and YAPPING at the INTELLIGENT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO OPPOSE CHIMPya, Cheney and Bushland Uber Allies’ FOLLY!!!!!
February 27th, 2007 at 11:05 pmLIE-berman, STOP MOUNTING Barney! NOW THAT’S DISGUSTING!!!!!
Not, apparently, to Joe LIE-berman–THERE’S NOTHING HE WOULDN’T DO FOR HIS DEAR CHIMPya and Cheney!!!!!
Lieberman is one of many politicians and pundints who have been wrong about Iraq continuously and are still listened to. This has resulted in timidity by the Dems in devising a stratagy to end this war. Even with a majority of Americans favoring Murtha’s plan to deny more troops if the are not properly fitted and trained and not enough time between tours of duty they have permitted the Republicans to frame the debate as the Dems not supporting the troops. This last election was supposed to have sent a message to this administration. The public is beggining to hold the Dems responsible for not acting on the basis of the election.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:07 pmHuh? What? Joe, are you still here?
Sorry, your droning woke me up.
Nothing to say? I didn’t think so.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:59 pmjew bleederman needs to STFU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2007 at 12:55 amTraitor Joe LIE-berman is a Trojan-Horse GOP agent, so ignore him!
February 28th, 2007 at 1:10 amLieberman: ‘Iraq is a bit more complicated.‘
Should read: “We don’t honestly know what the fu*ck to do anymore nor have we ever”
Should read: “If we would have told the troop strength “truth” in the beginning, the people wouldn’t have accepted it and would have begun to ask all sorts of “nasty” questions”
Should read: “Bush assured us in the beginning this would be a “slam dunk”
Should read: “They are tough little fighters and well, to be truthful, we are getting our asses kicked”
Should read: “If we used some sort of nuclear device this would be much easier. And quicker too.”
Should read: “When I signed off on this war I was privy to “closed session” senatorial proceedings, but I went along with this gaff anyway.”
Should read: “My corporate sponsors and corporate controller’s tell me that I am going along with this war and I am going to do whatever they tell me to do, after all this is what a Senator does, make deals.”
Should read: “I have sold my corporate soul to the Zionist devil and well, it is just out of my hands now.”
February 28th, 2007 at 1:28 amHoly Joe is a senile old git. He looks senile, his voice sounds senile, his discourse is that of a person who has lost reason.
You have to wonder what sort of hold his corporate masters have over him that made him run again when he is clearly set for the retirement home for the mentally diminished.
February 28th, 2007 at 4:47 amLIE-berman is an idiot. Period. Anyone who does not approach anything that comes out of this Administration without suspicion is an idiot.
February 28th, 2007 at 11:00 amLieberman. A spokesperson for the warmongering side of the Israelis. Keep a constant flood of disinformation coming to the 25% percent of the idiots that watch Fox. Keep America spending its blood and money to create chaos in the middle east, thereby fending off any coordinated attacks on Israel. Use the American middle class to fund this operation and the lower class to die for it. Perfect plan. And it works. Many Jewish folk here in this country don’t know what the hell to do about Israel. If you talk to some of them, they secretly say that all the Muslims should be killed. (Mmm, lessons learned from WW2 are…) Its 200 B.C. all over again, nothing has changed. How the fuck did we get stuck in the middle of this shit ? As long as there is no draft and the U.S. keeps sucking out $100s of billions (oh yea, we are borrowing it) on this losing strategy, they don’t really give a shit about real solutions, just write a check and get a deduction every year and brag to their friends that they did something. Throw money at lobbyists and people like Lieberman and Shays (and he isn’t even of the faith). I don’t get why some of these people instead don’t embrace with full force the notion that if we adopt a policy of destroying the value of oil, Israel will have a better future. With oil at 60, there is little future now. It doesn’t really matter how many fucking billions they suck out of this country (allowed by a whore Congress), it just ain’t going to extend the life of that country, or the planet for that matter. They are just ultimately throwing more fuel on the fire. Israelis on the ground over there, aside from the religious freaks, just want peace. They want to live in peace, period. Yet the Jews over here like Kristol love the Chimpy regime (its just too god damn dumb to be true !!!). And speaking of religious freaks, the even more treasoness Americans are those in the Christian religious right who are truly evil warmongers, talking about the second coming in Israel and all that crap. Does anyone ever hear anything Jesus-like in there sermons ? If he were alive, he’d have to cry after hearing their crap. They have created another level of selfish insanity, wrapped in the continuation of a 2000 year old religious war. I am with the average Israelis over there, I just want a strategy for sustained peace. Use the brains people – cut off the oil revenues or you’ll kill us all. Comprende ?
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