Swift Boat Vets Reunite To Discuss ‘The Left’s Repeated Campaign Against The American Soldier’
Swift Boat Vets Reunite To Discuss ‘The Left’s Repeated Campaign Against The American Soldier’
On Thursday, the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) begins its annual conference. The Washington Times writes, “One of the more timely titles of CPAC’s slate of panel discussions: ‘The Left’s Repeated Campaign Against the American Soldier.’” The panel will reunite operatives from the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, a group that dedicated itself in 2004 to attacking Senator John Kerry’s record during and after his service in Vietnam.
CPAC’s website indicates that the panel participants will be: Ret. Col. George E. “Bud” Day, Mary Jane McManus, Carlton Sherwood, and Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX). Johnson was on the House floor last week attacking Iraq war critics relentlessly for “cutting funding of the troops,” while conveniently forgetting that he “wholeheartedly supported withholding funds” to end the U.S. involvement in Bosnia in 1995. Some background on the other panelists:
George “Bud” Day: He appeared in national advertisements for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign. Day said of John Kerry, “My view is he basically will go down in history sometime as the Benedict Arnold of 1971.” Following the 2004 election, Day signed on as President of the newly formed Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation, which absorbed virtually all the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth members and officers. Day claimed that “left-wing propagandists in the press” have told a “false history of Vietnam” that has been used to “demoralize our troops.”
Mary Jane McManus: A prominent and outspoken member of the Swift Boat Vets, she appeared in their national TV ad campaign and said, “John Kerry gave aid and comfort to the enemy by advocating their negotiating points to our government.”
Carlton Sherwood: A former Bush administration official, Sherwood was the producer of the television film “Stolen Honor,” which was broadcast by the Sinclair Group and contained a host of smears and lies. The film was “an anti-Kerry attack ad masquerading as a documentary.”
Among other prominent conservatives, CPAC will be hosting Vice President Cheney and White House Press Secretary Tony Snow. Does the White House endorse the view that there is a campaign by the left “against the American soldier”?
UPDATE: A major contributor to the Swift Boat Vets was nominated by President Bush to serve as Ambassador to Belgium. The hearing for his nomination was today. Click here for more info.
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They should ask those folks at Walter Reed building 18 that Jonah Goldberg called whiners about how the Bush Administration is campaigning against soldiers.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:50 amThere is a campaign on the left against the American soldier.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:50 amYou mean the same healthcare that liberals want for all Americans that the soldiers at Walter Reed are having to endure?
February 27th, 2007 at 10:51 amDoes the White House endorse the view that there is campaign by the left “against the American soldier�
Yes!
February 27th, 2007 at 10:52 amThis has been simple answers to simple questions.
punks that get a tax break for their extra limo do not have a platform to speak of the troops. but we appreciate your saying the things that allow you to live in your own personal world’o’shit.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:53 amDoes the White House endorse the view that there is campaign by the left “against the American soldier�
the WH has made that obvious many times…
February 27th, 2007 at 10:55 amoh, that must have been a rhetorical question… i see…
and what are/were the qualifications that brought
February 27th, 2007 at 10:56 ammary jane aboard the swift boaters in the first place?
real question…
The lying Swift Boat Veterans are back! The fact that these documented liars are required to shoot holes in the Democrats’ patriotic support of our troops — as opposed to Bush’s failed policies — shows once again why the majority of Americans support the Democrats’ plans: Democrats are the true supporters of the troops and the American way of life. Republicans support Halliburton and the oil companies while lining their own pockets with our tax money.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amWho really hates the military?? REPUBLICANS!!! open your f****** eyes you dumbass americans. Wlater Reed, Back door draft, re-deployments 2/3/4 times.
February 27th, 2007 at 10:58 amYa think the American people will swallow this regurgitated pap again? Yanno, there’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:00 am#3: We mean the same healthcare that Bush is responsible to provide. It is for our veterans, who Bush has allowed to suffer after serving honorably for our country. How could anyone support a president who has so blatantly ignored the needs of those he asked to serve?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:00 amIs surrender patriotic now in liberal 1984 speak?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:01 amThere is a campaign on the left against the American soldier.
Comment by Patrick1
Better check your diaper, pal, its full of shit.
By the way, don’t you find it curious that the “Swift Boat Vets for Truth” was made up largely by “vets” who never served in the Armed Forces, and that of those who did, only a handful were really Swift Boat vets? Wake up, numbnuts.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:02 amThese liars have no shame.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:04 am#12: Is failure to execute a winnable war the new mantra for the Republicans’ strategy for the “war on terror”?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:06 amYou’re a moron.
You guys, that’s the best thing to say to a person like this.
My brother is over there. I come from a military family, generations of tradition. I can tell you that this “troop-supporting” GOP nightmare that we have been living in for the past six and a half years has put our military at a crisis point the likes of which have never been seen. For all of you surge-supporting morons, a quick question or two: what about the families of those troops, including their children? What are they supposed to do? How do you think the “life sentence” deployments are going to affect military recruitment for generations to come? How do you justify “supporting the troops” by attacking their “leftist” families back home who simply want accountability from the * administration for their lies and for our loved ones’ lives?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:07 amThere is a campaign on the left against the American soldier.
Comment by Patrick1 — February 27, 2007 @ 10:50 am
That’s funny coming on a thread about a campaign on the right that was against any Democrat that served for the country!
February 27th, 2007 at 11:07 amFor example Al Qaeda operative and Senator Dick Turbin compared our troops to the Nazis, is that not a campaign against the American soldier?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:10 amWhat does the Republican Party do to support the troops? Patrick? Hello..?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:11 amThere is a campaign on the left against the American soldier.
Comment by Patrick1
Patrick1 represents a new low in the troll pool. There is a special crudeness to his dull, lifeless posts, a sort of glassy-eyed banality that I find disturbing.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:12 amIs surrender patriotic now in liberal 1984 speak?
Comment by Patrick1 — February 27, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Surrender?!? Isn’t that what you are doing right now? Surrendering to Bush’s policies and just accepting them as being the right thing to do?
Surrender?!? You mean you believe anyone that doesn’t support Bush wants American troops to walk up to the nearest Iraqi and give up his weapon and become a prisoner of war?
You are blind and lost Patrick1.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:13 amYou mean other than rebuilding the military after Carter and then again after Clinton?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:13 amThe Swift Boat Veterans should be counterattacked. Take no prisoners. Give no quarter. Have no mercy. These people are lying, manipulative, merciless corruptors of our political system, which makes them an enemy of the U.S.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:14 amPatrick, Rice says Bush should ignore Congress, is that not a campaign against the American Constitution?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:14 amPatrick-the-talking-point-robot (one liners only, please) is a 30 percenter now. Soon he will be a 20 percenter. This is a person I can picture comfortably existing as a 10 percenter, if it comes to that.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:14 am18
Another deliberate mischaracterization and smear.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:15 am#3 Patrick1
You mean the same healthcare that liberals want for all Americans that the soldiers at Walter Reed are having to endure?
What a dishonest piece of crap. You’ve gone way beyond spin with that one, Patrick. You’re well into total irrelevance now.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:16 amPatrick, you mean over extending the military so that any success brought about in Afghanistan over the Taliban has been lost?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:17 amHow come it takes only eight weeks to train a recruit into a marine or army private, but the Iraqi police can’t be trained inside of a two to three year period?
Who’ll stop the war?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:18 amPatrick, you mean the blood for oil program in Iraq?
February 27th, 2007 at 11:18 amDick Turbin calls them Nazis, John Kerry says they are idiots on and on but there is no leftist campaign against the troops? Surrender is a sign of patriotism but fighting our enemies is fascism? Up is down in this bizzarro world called liberalism.
The fact is that the left squeals about the Swift Boaters because what they say is true.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:21 amHow come it takes only eight weeks to train a recruit into a marine or army private, but the Iraqi police can’t be trained inside of a two to three year period?
Who’ll stop the war?
Comment by fromadistance — February 27, 2007 @ 11:18 am
They can and are being trained. The problem is, they use the training by becoming insurgents. I wonder how many that were trained two years ago are 1) still working alongside the US forces 2) on the other side (whatever side that is!) or 3) dead.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:24 amPatrick is a founding member of the Slow Boat Pets.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:24 amPatrick is a damn fool!!! IF the military was broken by Clinton how in the hell could we be fighting in two war at the same time?? You Bush rebuilt something that was never broken?? You republicans are such mindless idiots. Learn to think for yourselves and not be told what to think by the likes of “pill popper Limpbaugh”.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:26 am#18, Partick1 -
Are you refering to this quote from Durban (not Turbin, as you spell it):
Because as Andrew Sullivan put it:
February 27th, 2007 at 11:26 am“The fact is that the left squeals about the Swift Boaters because what they say is true.”
Please use “the Google” to find the debunking of what you call truth.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:27 amHere, Patrick. Spin this one:
Congress would leave an estimated 150,000 troops at risk for serious brain damage
Jonathan Powers, associate director of Veterans for America, and former Army Captain who served in Iraq, said:
“Cutting funding for traumatic brain injury is a moral outrage, and that’s the bottom line. As an Iraq War veteran, I believe there is no greater decision our country can make than to decide to go to war, so there should be an equally high priority for Congress and the American people to provide medical care for our soldiers both on the battlefield and when they return home.
Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) is a signature wound of the Iraq War, and given the 10 percent of soldiers already suffering from TBI, it is on the path to becoming one of the most frequent injuries suffered by our troops in Iraq. Our men and women who bravely serve in the U.S. armed forces are our Nation’s number one most important military asset, yet Congress cannot find $19 million dollars in a defense appropriations bill that is likely to cost upwards of $370 billion?
How can members of Congress claim to be ‘supporting the troops’ while at the same time cut funding for one of the signature wounds of this war? When thousands struggle at this hour with a traumatic brain injury; when an estimated 150,000 will suffer a brain injury in this war, Congress should be increasing support, not decreasing it. America supports our troops – the priorities of this Congress are wrong.â€
Did the Swift Boat Liars have anything to say about that? I didn’t think so. Support the troops, my ass!
February 27th, 2007 at 11:27 amhuh?
1. Walter Reed=Republicans
2. No body armour=Republicans.
this crap has got to stop.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:27 amJudging from the dull, plodding, dimwitted quality of Patrick’s comments, it looks like we are getting deep into the troll pool these days.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:29 am#30 - Patrick1
Kerry says they are idiots, “on and on”? First of all, I know that you know what Kerry meant. Yes he screwed up a really stupid joke - and I hate when people like that try to be comedians… but you know as well as I do that he didn’t mean the troops are idiots. Why do you even bother to make that argument? You know it’s false, and you know everyone here also knows it’s false. Why waste your time with that crap?
Secondly, Kerry CERTAINLY didn’t say it “on and on”. It was a one time botched joke.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amUp is down in this bizzarro world called liberalism.
Comment by Patrick1
I suggest crawling back under your dark, quiet, safe, little rock, Patrick Starfish. Even Bikini Bottom is too complicated for you.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:29 am#18 Patrick1
For example Al Qaeda operative and Senator Dick Turbin compared our troops to the Nazis, is that not a campaign against the American soldier?
Let’s see the quote. The whole thing.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amSo using that logic about “squealing about the truth” the rightwing must be up in arms over Al Gore because he is telling the truth.
Enough of the troll baiting for today though.
-GSD
February 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amRethugs love the troops
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ rushing_to_iraq;_ylt=AoSYEVLWoeQ1H4Z_voT0gDYDW7oF
February 27th, 2007 at 11:30 amIt would be a fine day and just day for the people of America (and the world) to put all these conservative ideologists and the followers of their rhetoric in Iraq, with as much (or in most cases as little) weaponry and protection as the soldiers that the apparent left are against. The media (meaning Fox News) can follow them around as they try to survive in this debacle, the “Vietnam of the 21st Century”. It is simply a fool’s argument to swallow their jagged little pill as truth, and is anti-American to blithely have faith in their rhetoric as the new religion. Creating resistance where there is none is what will shred this country apart, disintegrating any chance for coalescing a sum greater than its parts for the sole purpose of actually overcoming the “evils” our President claims to battle.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:32 am#39 VerbalKint
Judging from the dull, plodding, dimwitted quality of Patrick’s comments, it looks like we are getting deep into the troll pool these days.
This stuff is weak even by Patrick’s abysmal standards. He’s got nuthin’.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:34 amFor example Al Qaeda operative and Senator Dick Turbin compared our troops to the Nazis, is that not a campaign against the American soldier?
Comment by Patrick1
You need to turn off that crappy-breathed Sean Hannity for a while. The senator was not comparing all our troops to Nazis, but just those who were behaving badly.
Just curious: how would you compare conduct of the soldiers who were recently convicted for raping a young girl and then murdering her entire family to eliminate witnesses? I believe “Nazis” is less than appropriate, and murdering scumbags not harsh enough.
And don’t give me some horseshit rant calling me a leftwing, troop-hating liberal. I’m a proud, retired, military grunt with four years of college to back it up with.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:37 amFor example Al Qaeda operative and Senator Dick Turbin compared our troops to the Nazis, is that not a campaign against the American soldier?
Ummm…no he didn’t. Try getting your information from legitimate sources, rather than Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.
http://www.reachm.com/ amstreet/ archives/ 2005/ 06/ 17/ gop-calls-our-soldiers-nazis/
http://www.reachm.com/ amstreet/ archives/ 2005/ 06/ 22/ the-faith-of-our-fathers/
February 27th, 2007 at 11:39 amGuys, you really have to stop feeding Patrick1.
I mean, just look at the tripe he posts. No one possessing an IQ at least entering double-figures would honestly hold these beliefs. They are purely that this person can elicit all this attention.
As for the Slow-boat Veterans for Dummies, I look forward to perusing the reams of evidence they are about to submit in order to make such a bold claim.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:39 amI’m glad the Swift Boat Liars have raised their ugly head again, because this time it’s going to get knocked clean off. There are too many Iraq and Afghanistan vets back in the States ready to answer their bullshit with cold hard facts. The vets know who supports the troops and who doesn’t. And they know that the right doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anything that doesn’t either bring in lots of money or help them score political points. They know who’s been cutting VA funds and who’s been trying to screw them out of the benefits they were promised when they signed up.
Go ahead Swifties. Give it your best shot.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:40 amJesus, Mary, and Joseph…
I am so weary of this idiocy that equates supporting the troops with supporting the policy objectives that our forces are asked to achieve.
Listen up, trolls, and listen good:
American History 101
In the United States, a distinction exists between the civilian policymaking apparatus that formulates the objectives for American warfare, ideally supplies strategic plans for achieving those objectives, and then appropriates the necessary funds for same, and the military apparatus whose SOLE responsibility is to execute the strategic plan and achieve the objectives. Our uniformed men and women have NO VOICE in the construction of the policies that put them in harm’s way. They are given orders; they are expected to execute those orders. We call that “discipline.”
This structure was created to avoid the disaster created when the German General Staff was allowed to exert too much influence over the political apparatus prior to World War I.
It is therefore completely possible to OPPOSE THE POLICYMAKING APPARATUS—indeed, even the POLICY ITSELF—while SUPPORTING THE TROOPS by ensuring that they are well armed, well-equipped, and well-provisioned, thereby facilitating the swift and efficient fulfillment of their particular operational or tactical responsibilities.
Liberals all appear to understand this distinction, yet Bush advocates attempt to frame the discussion over leaving Iraq as a question of supporting the troops—a false choice that proceeds either from deliberation or ignorance. If the former, then those who employ that argument are morally bankrupt; if it’s the latter, those who employ that argument should educate themselves accordingly before they level such outrageous charges against those who oppose this war.
Enough is enough. I oppose the war in Iraq; I oppose the imperialist adventures of this woefully incompetent, corrupt, and uninformed administration, and I support the troops of my armed forces by demanding policies that ensures their SURVIVAL and their swift and safe return to their loved ones.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:46 amPatrick 1,
February 27th, 2007 at 11:47 amHow about backing up your statement about Durbin being a operative of Al-quida, and comparing our troops to Nazis? Can you do that?
What ever happened to John (Puffy Face) O’Niell the champion Swiftboat Bush Buttkisser?
Charging them for any equipment that gets broken when they get shot.
That whole bit about cutting funding towards veterans benefits.
Sending them into a warzone with sub-standard equipment.
Then, when they actually get a plan together to get decent stuff off their own bats, forbidding them to do that.
Yep. The Republicans sure do love those soldiers.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:48 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFDd5Yjn3w
See recently uncovered BBC report WTC7 has collapsed live, yet it’s still standing!!!
TP stop deleting this posts.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:49 am#50. American History 101.
Comment by BlueArkansas
Good take. Good post.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:53 amNames and frames are everything. Why can’t Murtha introduce his legislation under the title “Protect the Troops Act” and take it to the American people? At least that title correlates with the actual bill more closely than the so-called “Patriot Act” did with the atrocity that’s been passed into law twice now.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:55 amMay they slowly waste away having watch everything they care about taken away from them…
…powerless to stop it…
February 27th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot or others— that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.” ~ Dick “Head” Durbin
February 27th, 2007 at 12:02 pmthe “Leave no Lie Untold” Conference - I’m SO impressed.
Vets ought to check out who is trying to cut their benefits (Dubbie and Republican’ts) and whose fighting to improve them (Kerry, Cantwell, Murray (y, Democrats))
But Patrick won’t let the facts get in the way of his wildly biased misinterpretation of everything - will ya Patty? (ya big dittohead)
February 27th, 2007 at 12:05 pm*
thom hartmann just announced that he will be broadcasting his show
live from this CPAC gathering on thurs and fri…
you can listen on http://www.airamerica.com/…
he’s looking forward to it…
he assumes the invitation to him to broadcast at this conference was
offered to any other radio show… he took them up on it…
i’ll be listening!
February 27th, 2007 at 12:05 pmNew found video BBC reports WTC7 fell, before it actually has. It’s on that u t00b site. The cat is out of the bag, how does BBC know WTC7 will go down before it happens? Can they predict other future news events too?
February 27th, 2007 at 12:06 pmPatrick1 can cut and paste, but he can’t comprehend. Lunch is over.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:08 pmBankrupt Err America to be exact.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:09 pmComment by Patrick1 — February 27, 2007 @ 12:02 pm
What is your point, dear Sir? Durbin simply has pointed out the truth that some, not all, American soldiers have abused their power in certain situations. Abu Ghraib ring any bells. Here is a quote from “60 Minutes” (link here http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2004/ 04/ 27/ 60II/ main614063.shtml ):
“It was American soldiers serving as military police at Abu Ghraib who took these pictures. The investigation started when one soldier got them from a friend, and gave them to his commanders. 60 Minutes II has a dozen of these pictures, and there are many more – pictures that show Americans, men and women in military uniforms, posing with naked Iraqi prisoners.”
The acts of torture and “evil” that American soldiers risked their lives to battle become the very acts American soldiers committed. When the Bush administration re-enacted torture, America became EXACTLY what it claimed to fight. As a psychologist, I can assure you that torture is NOT effective in seeking truth, as most tortured either become complacent by stating what the torturers demand or die never saying a word. We, dear sir, have become the enemy. It is easy to turn a blind eye to the truth, it is much harder to be objective and stare that truth in the eye.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:14 pmdon’t waste your typing on Patrick folks - he’s just a plain ol’ dittohead troll - nothing more
February 27th, 2007 at 12:20 pmThe Republicans repeated campaign against our soldiers consists of sending them into a unwinnable war without a backup plan, and without the proper body and tank armor. The Republicans have cut veterans benefits and provided no oversight into the horrible conditions veterans suffered through at Walter Reed, and still support Halliburton who gave the troops tainted and unsafe water.
Republicans have repeatedly attacked Murthas plan to make sure the troops are properly rested, trained, and armed. They also fired translators who are crucial to this war, just for being gay. Lastly, the Repubs questioned the patriotism of the troops who opposed the war before and now the 1,000 active duty GI’s who just signed a petition to end the war.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:23 pm#58 Patrick1
FBI agent
Not “troops”. And no, he didn’t call them Nazis.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:38 pm#64 Cory
But he didn’t even get that right. Durbin said nothing about U.S. troops. He was talking about some FBI agents at Gitmo.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pmEvidently, the Bush cultists haven’t thought to ask real veterans of Iraq and Afganistan conflicts about this “war” on soldiers. If you want to know who really supports the troops, just go here: http://www.military.com/ opinion/ 0,15202,117439,00.html
I wonder if these marines will be invited to this event.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:41 pmEvidently, it is lost on Patrick that Durbin was reading something written by an FBI agent. Nice try, though, Bush cultist.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:43 pmWell, I say to the Swift Boaters, “bring it on”. We have pleanty of ammunition to fight their smear campaigns. All we have to do is to point out how many times the Republic party cut funding to the Veterans administration. Point out that a returning Vet committed suicide after pleading for help and being told that he was #26 on a list. Point out that the Republic party has participated in overextending our military to the point that it is broken. Point out the fact that many of our brave men and women in Iraq do not have adequate training and/or equipment to make them safe. I’m not exactly sure what they will come up with as their arguments, but we have lots of facts on our side of the balance sheet. I’m sure that the left is not going to sit idly by this time and allow the Swift Boaters to perpetuate more lies. And finally, it appears that the American public has finally awakened from their long sleep and they now get it (Election 2006).
February 27th, 2007 at 12:44 pmI forgot to add above, by using mercanaries and paying them four times more than our troops, for the same job, undermines troop morale.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPatrick1
What was your MOS?
What branch did you serve in?
What Unit were you assigned to?
What base were you stationed at?
February 27th, 2007 at 12:50 pm72- if something was going to hurt my morale, it would definitely be that, before it would be someone’s plan for me to get proper training and equipment.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI think Bud Day was severely psychologically and emotionaly damaged during his days as a POW in Vietnam.
There’s no other way to explain why a patriotic American would act like a traitor.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:55 pmSpudge - Patrick is one of those dim bulbs that doesn’t think Vets come around here - thinks they’re all righties in the service. Simple ideas for simple minds.
February 27th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI forgot to add above, by using mercanaries and paying them four times more than our troops, for the same job, undermines troop morale.
Comment by AkaDad — February 27, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
How can that be allowed to happen? Oh yeah, no bid contracts! BTW hundreds - HUNDREDS - of these mercanaries have also been killed. Who’s supporting or not supporting these folks? I’ll bet these people have a better health care package then the vets.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:01 pmBy the way, trolls, I don’t recall who it was that was bitching yeterday about the missing poll results and calling ThinkProgress liars, but the WaPo published them today:
Majority in Poll Favor Deadline For Iraq Pullout
Read ‘em and weep.
* 53% of Americans favor setting a deadline for troop withdrawals
* 45% want the withdrawals to be completed within a year
* Nearly half — 46% — support restricting funding for the war
* 58% support the sorts of restrictions on the troops favored by Jack Murtha
February 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThere is a campaign on the left against the American soldier.
Comment by Patrick
Wasn’t it a right-wing administration (our current one, in deference to your Attention Deficit Disorder) that sent troops in without proper equipment? And has left them in a slaughterhouse with no strategy for victory? We on the left want to bring them out this pointless conflict and SAVE THEIR LIVES and you say we’re against them?!
What was that you were saying about Bizarro World?
I’d call you an a$$clown, but that would be an obscene libel against a$$clowns.
Sorry, folks. I know you shouldn’t feed the trolls. It just turns to $hit.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:37 pmGreat post’s all, good to see your posts Joe Sixpack, I have missed you..Know I missed saying Bravo to one and all, here it is… Bravo….
I don’t have a lot to add this morning except for one thought that is a question realy….In skimming this thread I thought to my self……The administration must be realy anxious and upset that few are supporting their mass evil plan’s…Interesting isn’t it they pay to drag this bunch of swift loosers out once again?….Hummm. Is this interesting to you guy’s as well,? And do you wonder what new huge evil is being planned while they try to keep us busy bashing us, taking more life out of america and funneling more of our tax dollers to support more evil..Weird how this evil bunch work’s…..Blessings all
February 27th, 2007 at 1:38 pmGreat link here!
February 27th, 2007 at 1:40 pmabout our forgotten wounded…
81.
I read the account of Jonathan Schulze and couldn’t go on.
Oh. My. F*cking. GOD!!!!
Never listen to another troll (or warmongering gasbag a$$hat) tell you that you don’t “support the troops”. Give them a withering glare of contempt and move on.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:47 pmJ-Rock ~ U fing bet I will.
February 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAsshats, the lot of them.
It really saddens me to know there are people in this world that support this war, that don’t believe in climate change, and would rather allow their anger and rhetoric to cloud their judgment in a time when the world can not afford another George W. Bush. What ever happened to calmly and intelligently discussing an important topic in which lives and the planet are at stake? Bipartisan politics is KILLING the American way of life (whatever that is now), making enemies of what should be allies and instilling fear and anger in what should be hope and progress. Isn’t that what organizations such as “Think Progress” and our own government should be doing? It is a very sad day when we can’t even agree on a message blog. Hate and ignorance are our enemies, not each other.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pm84
I hear your words, Cory.
But how do I reach out to those who have allied themselves with hate and ignorance?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:07 pm#82 J-rock
Never listen to another troll (or warmongering gasbag a$$hat) tell you that you don’t “support the troopsâ€.
We have a tsunami of veterans’ health problems approaching and the worst one is going to be PTSD. It’s also the one that right-wingers will refuse to acknowledge. We’re already seeing problems of homelessness, joblessness, arrests, chemical dependency, domestic abuse, and suicide resulting from PTSD. And that’s just for starters. Consider the problems some Iraq vets will encounter just trying to re-adapt to driving in the U.S. I’ve already heard stories about some of them doing things such as swerving to avoid things they see on the pavement, or having to constantly check out the tops of buildings or bridges as they drive under them. We’ll be unleashing tens of thousands of ticking timebombs back here, and the Republicans will be saying there’s no problem because they can’t see it and can’t imagine it. Think of what the police departments are going to be dealing with. Domestic abuse cases are difficult to deal with as it is. Now imagine what the cops are going to see when they have to get a combat vet just back from Iraq to calm down. Good luck.
And that’s just the vets. How about their families? Think about kids trying to get through their school day knowing what awaits them at home. Dad might be there drinking, or getting violent, or just acting very strange. The ways that vets with PTSD will touch our communities are almost too numerous to count. And, instead of getting the help they need, the right will ignore it. You’ll have cowards like Limbaugh who never served telling the vets to ’suck it up’ or calling them crybabies if they try to get the government to recognize the problem. Dealing with veterans health problems, PTSD in particular, but all of the other ones, too, will probably end up costing us more than the war itself.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmIraq and Afganistan Veterans of America have graded lawmakers on their support of troops with respect to their voting records in congress.
Nancy Pelosi: B+
John Kerry: B
Ted Kennedy: B+
John Cornyn: D-
Rick Santorum: D-
Norm Coleman: D
Dennis Hastert: F
Talk is cheap. How did they vote when soldiers’ or veterans’ interests are at stake - that’s the issue.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmBluedog49, thanks for the info on how the vets graded Congress.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“In the first years of the 21st century, a third World War broke out. Those of us who survived knew mankind could never survive a fourth; that our own volatile natures could simply no longer be risked. So we have created a new arm of the law: The Grammaton Cleric, whose sole task it is to seek out and eradicate the true source of man’s inhumanity to man - his ability to feel.”
- “Equilibrium” - 2002
I wonder sometimes if premises such as those in the movies “THX 1138″ and “Equilibrium” are wrong, in that it is better to feel than not be numb and emotionless. Over the course of time humanity has repeatedly proven that human beings cannot get along, and that human emotion has caused more harm than good. Frequenting political blogs such as this has only proven that fact. Anger and resentment cloud reason and logic, and wars in the name of religion, greed and power are still destructive and prevalent.
February 27th, 2007 at 2:33 pmsorry, that should have read “feel than be numb or emotionless.”
February 27th, 2007 at 2:36 pmYou’re welcome, Karim. As Colbert said, “facts have a liberal bias.”
February 27th, 2007 at 2:48 pmCory
Equilibrium was a rollicking film.
However, it’s too easy just to tranquilize the entire human race, and I doubt it would work. Evil doesn’t need passion. Evil is not a feeling, it’s an action, and I don’t think it necessarily needs any great passion to inspire it. Anybody recall Hannah Arendt’s remarks about “the banality of evil”?
February 27th, 2007 at 2:49 pmThe Left has had contempt for the military since socialist/pacifists took to the streets in WWI.
Years of entitlement mentality have taken a huge toll on the psyche of too many Americans. I am ALL for veterans’ having the BEST of hospital care and rehabilitation services - and I expect our tax dollars fulfill this obligation. (Can you imagine how much money we could save and use for veterans if both Parties agreed to end earmarks?) To grade Ted “Breast Stroke” Kennedy a B+ is smirk-able.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pmWhat was the honorable mission?
Osama enjoys freedom.
Saudis smoke stogies with their neocon friends (cheshire cat smiles all around) without punishment for 911.
Bin Ladens flown out of USA without questioning on 911.
Fraud (forged niger documents) used against the soldiers and their fellow citizens to justify war.
So basically the soldiers died for a pet project while those behind 911 (and the Bush family neocon cabal) were let go scot free.
Then there is all the stuff about not being able to afford body armor but can afford to let Haliburton milk billions in wasted $$$. Neglected support systems for them here at home….
But hey! They neocons set them up so they got a chance to experience the world and shoot some people…. for some reason. Doesnt look like they are going to be able to tell their grandchildren (or at least the ones that live) about how on 911 America was attacked and they went out there and got the people who did it… nope … they just got saddam… Hope it was worth it.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pmBush gave them $40 million….of OUR tax dollars..
The Bush White House has denied any connection to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth[1] - the group that has been airing factually unsupportable smear ads against Sen. John Kerry’s war record.
But a new report today shows that one of the key accusers in the smear ads was a lobbyist for a company that recently received a massive federal contract from the Bush administration.
As the Washington Post reports, Rear Admiral William L. Schachte Jr., the man who claims Kerry was not under fire when he received his first Purple Heart, is a top lobbyist for a defense contractor that recently won a $40 million grant from the Bush administration.
According to a March 18 legal filing by Schachte’s firm, Blank Rome, Schachte was one of the lobbyists working for FastShip’s effort to secure federal contracts.[2] On Feb. 2, FastShip announced the Bush administration had awarded it $40 million.[3]
Schachte has other connections to the Bush administration.
The Washington Post notes David Norcross, Schachte’s colleague in the Washington office of Blank Rome, is chairman of this week’s Republican convention in New York.[4]
Records show that Schachte gave $1,000 to Bush’s 2000 and 2004 campaigns.[5]
Additionally, Schachte helped organize veterans’ efforts against Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and for Bush in the 2000 South Carolina primary.[6]
This is not the first member of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth who has been revealed to be connected to the President. The Bush-Cheney campaign’s top outside lawyer was forced to resign after he admitted providing legal services to the veterans group.[7]
The Bush-Cheney campaign’s veterans adviser was also featured in one of the smear ads.[8]
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Sources
1. “Press Gaggle by Scott McClellan,” WhiteHouse.gov, 8/20/04, http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52656.
February 27th, 2007 at 3:51 pm2. “A Swift Shift in Stories,” Washington Post, 8/31/04, http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52657.
3. “FastShip, Inc. to Receive $40 million in Federal Support for Marine Cargo Terminal in Philadelphia,” FastShipAtlantic.com, 2/02/04, http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52658.
4. “A Swift Shift in Stories,” Washington Post, 8/31/04,http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52657.
5. OpenSecrets.org, 8/04,http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52659.
6. Charleston Post & Courier, 2/17/2000.
7. “Bush-Cheney Lawyer Advised Anti-Kerry Vets,” Washington Post, 8/25/04, http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52660.
8. “Bush Campaign Drops Swift Boat Ad Figure,” Washington Post,
8/22/04, http//daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1281862&l=52661.
[…] it be that Jack Bauer is emboldening the enemy? Someone tell Five-Deferment Dick and Carlton Sherwood. It’s time to Swift Boat this terrorist-loving America hater. Permalink […]
February 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThose who opposed the GOP war are not responsible for American. coalition and Iraqi dead.
February 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThose who support the GOP war, are responsible.
Simple as that.
No if’s, and’s or but’s.
GOP lied to America and sent your sons and daughters to fight and die in Iraq for profit.
Liberals opposed that war.
GOP supporters are GUILTY. PERIOD.
LIBERALS SUPPORT THE TROOPS BUT NOT THE GOP.
“The fact is that the left squeals about the Swift Boaters because what they say is true.”
Comment by Patrick1 — February 27, 2007 @ 11:21 am
The fact is that the right squeals about the Secular Atheists because what they say is true.
February 27th, 2007 at 5:10 pmBREAKING NEWS : Swiftboat funder has been nominated for Ambass. to Belguim. Hearing was today, for most see rec. list at DailyKos
February 27th, 2007 at 5:15 pmJules - We feel sorry for the Secualr Atheists - they have enough stuff jammed down their throats. What ifthere is a God?
While I admire your confidence….I pity your narcissistic philosophy of atheism/ humanism.
February 27th, 2007 at 5:21 pmJules - We feel sorry for the Secualr Atheists - they have enough stuff jammed down their throats. What ifthere is a God? Comment by valiant venus — February 27, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
We feel sorry for the Toranimals, you spend all of your time trying to shove your stupid religious rhetoric down everyone’s throats and play the victim as you try to expel and/or genocide everyone on your ‘promised land’? Is that the kind of jamming down throats you were referring to Toranimal? Do you have proof of a God, other than that book of yours that Chronicles your Genocide of the people of Judea? If that’s your proof of God, st*pid c*nt, then no wonder you’re a Toranimal.
While I admire your confidence….I pity your narcissistic philosophy of atheism/ humanism. Comment by valiant venus — February 27, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Narcissism? You mean like the creator of a 15 billion year old universe would bother to come down and talk to a bunch of dessert Bedouin goat herders and tell them to Genocide the people of Canaan because they were ‘chosen’? Is that the kind of narcissism you were referring to Toranimal?
February 27th, 2007 at 5:35 pmLovely looking bunch- Dorothy and her friends?
February 27th, 2007 at 6:53 pmPatrick is fine with saying “SUPPORT THE TROOPS” while doing nothing to support them either with adequate care at WALTER Reed or body armor or Humvee armor. Apparently he believes his words and that of Bush’s have a magical effect of casting a barrier around our troops and that our protests against the injustices wounded vets suffer are only attempts to dispel the barrier. I think you’re playing too much WoW or something…Power Word Shield is not made up of GOP talking points…
February 27th, 2007 at 8:33 pmWhy in the hell don’t they ever want to discuss the Right’s campaign against the American soldier. Like right wing draft dodger and has been guitarist, and friend of the president’s, Ted no nut Nugent who admitted in an interview with the Detriot Free Press (July 15, 1990) to urinating and defecating in his pants to avoid serving his country during the Vietnam war. Now he earns as much as $30,000 a night preaching about patriotism and free speech across the country. This while over 58,000 men bled and died for his right to wave his guns around. Christ Swift Boaters he’s as big a coward as they come you damn idots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 27th, 2007 at 8:50 pmAh Yes, the swift boat vets–those VERMINOUS, VILE, STINKING, COWARDLY, YELLOW-BELLIED, JINGOISTIC, DEMAGOGUES, the unspeakable and horrendous, WARPED and DEFORMED FREAKS, “satanic progeny” of Karl Miss Piggy Rove and Torticola DICK-less B(ugger) Cheney’s MATING(with a little infusion of FOUL seed from Gannon/Guckert and CHIMPya’s RUTTINGS)!!!!! SMEARING the RIGHTEOUS with their typical LIES, INNUENDO and CALUMNY that no American with half their wits about them would either BELIEVE IN or listen to with any CREDULITY! These swift boat vets are SMELLY SKIDMARKS, BRING NOTHING BUT SHAME TO THE NAME OF HONEST, BRAVE, PATRIOTIC TRUE AMERICAN VETERANS, AND SHOULD BE FLUSHED DOWN THE CRAPPER OF PUBLIC OPINION WITH THE REST OF THE STINKING repugnant-repub rightwingnut crank TURDS THAT SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE THESE COWARDLY SELL-OUTS TO Bushland Uber Allies and GOOSESTEPPERS to CHIMPya, Torticola Cheney, Karl Miss Piggy Rove and THE REST OF THESE NAZI SCUM, WHICH THEY ALL ARE AND PRACTICE ASSIDUOUSLY AT SMEARING THEIR FILTH ABOUT!!!!!
February 27th, 2007 at 10:45 pmWho cares about these old farts, look at their pictures, they all have one foot in the grave. NEXT.
February 28th, 2007 at 12:12 amWHo has been worse for the troops than Bush-Cheney-Rumsfield and their stupid, callous, short-sighted, amateurish decisions in Iraq? Or for that matter similar decisions made in the mid to late 60’s to escalate the stupid needless war in Vietnam which was another foreign civil war we had no business being in the middle of.
February 28th, 2007 at 9:55 amjacobs 107 you are on the wrong side of the argument !
iraq is not the wrongplace to be for US Forces.To go
door to door in close police action is the wrong approach !
Hillary , probably dead wrong in allother takes , but here she
found the right answer.Split up the iraq for years to come in
their 3 parts,Kurdistan,sunny,sheat.
Bufferzones well dogg in , 14 miles Demilitarized zones
on all sides . Here we go , OIL revenue divided evenhandidly
to all parties baSED ON THEIR COORPORATION -WILLINGNESS
No flying anymore as 12 years before 2003
No driving across bufferzones . Bearhandedwalking yes ,after
fingerprint etc.
No discussions for a long time to come. No attempts of introducing
democraty and stuff like it .
Free education from satellites ,
especially history,economics,healthcare .
Us troops ,alike germany 1945 -1989 with families ,housings schools inthe deployed area .They can have a home and families.
ROE that make it impossible to survive to any aggressors.
ROE for Syria , theyh move agressions , we react and they
have to capitulate resulting for us to have
Mediteranian acces.
ROE Iran . We talk,why not . How ? iabout the same way we talked
to japan and nazi-Germany before they became willing to sign
total capitulation.
We can offer to Amandinashad Nukes. Anytime ,………………
dropped on him from 29000 detonating in about 6500 feet
above his and his followers head.
we are now in WWIII but iit is again the good against the EVILs
high level criminalisme shows upin many forms. WWIand WWII
March 3rd, 2007 at 8:19 pmit was the terror of U-boots etc. Now here we got islamonazi’s
upfront on the opponents side.
The true patriots on the right are only lying and makin’ stuff up to support ‘Merka and keep it strong. The left want to provide health care for everyone even though they don’t deserve it. If soldiers don’t have good health care, why do they insist on getttin’ shot?
The left just hates soldiers, and they show it by trying to keep them from killin’ people overseas that don’t have nuthin’ to do with 9/11. Killin’ is the right of every ‘Merkin and as true patriots, we should support killin’ overseas even if some of our soldiers die. BECAUSE I SAID IT, that proves the left hate our troops!
The only way to show we love our troops is to put them in harms way without the body armor they need, and when they get hurt, don’t give ‘em adequate health services. THAT’s how to support our troops. And thanks to those that rightfully hate it when the people get health care. Way to distract from the real issue of “supportin’ the troops!”
Joe Tex
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