I got up this morning and read more of the crap this miserable bush administration was dishing out to our vet’s and I was so livid it’s a wonder my body didn’t spontaniously combust,,…After what I had seen and knew to be true, bush and his merry rat basterd war mongers were treating our troop’s like trash to be thrown away from a fast moving
G.D. hummer. As usual. Our troop’s have been wasted for his greed, sent home in secret coffins abandoned in substandard hospital’s and the hipocrit lies saying he is for the troop’s..George W. Bush you and all your little followers are liers, spinless pieces of shit and a cancer on our country and the world. You show no respect for our troops or any life…You and your ilk have brought genocide to us and the world….All of you are responsible for entire generations of people, men women and children dieing….I don’t hate you I dispise the evil you have done and the spewing of your hate…Like the terrible oil spill Exxon valdes spread over the the shores you are scum and it will take year’s to clean up your mess…..The lives you have taken can never be replaced, NEVER,,,650,000 by design and neglect…You are guilty and your souls are black as the oil spill’s…..

Then I hear our vet’s are expected to get up to a drill and house keeping in the A,M. while trying to recouperate in this terrible hospital.. This evening I did hear since the light’s are being turned on by the media they stopped the drilling and are making some slight clean up’s…It’s about damn time.

Here we go, all our troops are sworn to defend our constitution and country, the same swearing in the dildo in charge is suposto abide by, fat chance, everything this insane mad man does is opposit of what should be..

Now they can’t speek out and have never been allowed to..Some thing I was not aware of untill recently..What part of the constitution are they only allowed to uphold, just the part that (doesn’t )say you volenterred so you have to fight an illegal war for a chicken shit AWOL self imposed dictator?….Because of his ego or vendetta or greed you take the bullett’s and bombs but your not allowed to speak.? WTF is that, a constitutinal right. Oh that’s right I forgot the evil one’s have said “It’s just a G.D. piece of paper”, that from the mouth of the lieing suposed christian…I am pissed and I’m not going to play nice ever…When it comes to our veterans I have in the past and will in the future fight like hell. So to the troll’s I say shut the F*** up and get the hell outta my way cause I gonna continue to flip ton’s of shit on you and all you black hearted reight wingers…

Then the lid flew out of my hand as I read R,R, dreadful post’s….You know the one #23 I think …where he write’s so flippingly about the Iraq people are lucky they lived where they lived and now they can look forward to a future full of promise, freedom and hope because they had oil…..I say to you R.R you are a stupid evil fool, 650,000 are dead..They do not have nor will they have in the near future what you spoke of, you lieing sack of bush crap…..A huge number are DEAD..THE country is in shambles the dead one’s got eternal peace and bush get’s their oil Theire’s not our’s, dumbass..Then in another post while trying to make out like you are a centerest and good little republican you infer we are socalist’s and friend’s of the european eletists..All your speels like bush are both deadly and sad….You have no empathy no heart or soul for all the people who have died, theirs and our’s….Untill you have lost all your family, all your tribe, everything you own and have no food or water, living in your car like some of our soldiers, you do not have the right to come on our thread and bash those of us that do work to save lives and make posative changes here and over there….To you R.R. I pile on the most Blessings I have ever sent any one..The blessings I send are so huge you will bury your self with geed and want’s for more and in the end all you will have is want’s…..Be gone I say to you and all the black heart and soulless pukes that spew your hate……..To every one else I send Blessings and Peace……

Yet there still is self-censorship; family members not speaking out for fear of retribution against the relative in the military.

I personally know of one who will not speak out because it might damage a relative’s security clearance.

And, considering the harsh steps this Administration takes against whistleblowers, their fears are well-grounded. I can understand bob’s reluctance to speak out against this Administration. (Granted, I cannot understand his willingness to comment supporting this Administration, but that debate is for another time.)

I just had to do that… :)

Not much. Especially Schmendrick Romney.

Are you really that st*pid, c*nt? It was Bush that *proposed* cuts! Why are you people so fcuking st*pid?

As Sharon so wisely is fond of saying:
Blessings, and Peace to all (even Exley…heh!),

Dan!

Sharon, blessings to you too. I understand. I do not hate either, the level of unjustice and misery in this planet make my blood boil.

But, our “compassionate” conservative President dumps the wounded as trash to be thrown out and let’s make their lives even worse than they are now if they speak up. This is so disgusting I can’t even think clearly!

Strom Thurmond is related to Al Sharpton?

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Zooey,

I enjoy viewing your excellent posts. They are always filled with candor and intrigue, that makes me want to read further.

Your posts are also a necessary stimulus in that they stimulate more debate on the issues, while your perspective is spot-on and always well reasoned.

A rare quality indeed.

Great posts as always Zooey.

Keep up the great and important work that you do.

Rachel
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Troops/Veterans

Mental disorders: 73,000
Diseases of nervous system: 61,000
Signs of ill-defined conditions: 7,000
Diseases of musculoskeletal system: 87,000.
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The numbers speak for themselves.

War is no good for absolutely anything.

It eats your mind and body up and spits you out, then it goes looking for more.

War is always hungry.

War never rests, never sleeps, never eats.

When will we, as a worldwide people, learn?

congratulations!

Peace and Blessings,

Briseadh na Faire

I mean look at it, they essentially have a “gag order” on these troops.

It’s like they(military) are saying to them (troops), “We don’t need your feelings or your opinions, all we need is a hot body to pull the trigger and if you can”t do that “like a man” then we don’t want to hear from you either way. You are in the military. We Own You. Now shut the fu*ck up and get better already, we need your skills on the front lines again.”

Comment by Shlomo — February 28, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

The military has no authority over the families.

Virginia Legislators Vote to Apologize for Slavery (1:46 am)

Larry O’Dell for AP reports:
RICHMOND, Va. — Meeting on the grounds of the former Confederate Capitol, the Virginia General Assembly voted unanimously Saturday to express “profound regret” for the state’s role in slavery.

Sponsors of the resolution say they know of no other state that has apologized for slavery, although Missouri lawmakers are considering such a measure. The resolution does not carry the weight of law but sends an important symbolic message, supporters said.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×234561

How the U.S. military would remove Bush-Cheney

There’s a term for when the military replaces its Commander-In-Chief – coup d’etat — but there are lesser practical steps that have been taken by Pentagon brass several times in modern American history to deal with Presidents viewed as incompetent to carry out their duties as CIC. Here’s how it works in practice.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have developed a range of options to deal with domestic political crises. These contingencies include major military or terrorist attacks, natural catastrophies, insurrections, civil disturbances, and the partial or complete cessation of civilian goverment. By far, the most difficult for the national command staff is confronting and managing the threat posed by a manifestly imcompetent or incapacitated CIC who issues launch orders without proper procedures. Under no circumstances short of actual hostilities or a confirmed threat of attack, could the military carry out launch orders committing the military to war on the sole authority of the President. George W. Bush can not just pick up the phone in the middle of the night and begin a nuclear strike. That order has to be countersigned by others within the chain of command.

The Pentagon carries out strategic planning for all possible contingencies. The staff of Joint Chiefs and the combat commands attempt to prepare reponses to all possible threats or orders they may receive. Somewhere in a locked file in the D-Ring of the Pentagon, the JCS staff have developed contingency planning for how top military commanders would respond to manifestly illegal or irresponsible orders issed by a deranged President. These responses would always involve consultation with civilian agency and Congressional leaders and range up to and include plans for the use of troops to forcible remove the President from the White House, depending upon the circumstances.

Political Containment

One doesn’t contemplate the involuntary removal of elected civilian leadership lightly. Civilian control over the military is the cornerstone of the American constitutional system, and all actions must serve that end. Therefore, the military brass will not act independently and will seek out responsible elected and appointed officials for any action prior to removal of a President. Prior to any direct intervention in the political process, Pentagon commanders would have to be convinced that all normal procedural and political options, including Impeachment or succession under the 25th Amendment, had been exhausted or were futile.

An active plan of containment by civilian political institutions is the preferred means to deal with a dangerously unstable CIC. If normal political checks and balances break down, however, then top military commanders face a series of more difficult choices that must be made in order to uphold their oaths to protect and preserve the U.S. Constitution.

Removal in Place

Romoval in Place is an option to forcible removal of the incumbent from office, or may be employed as an intervening step pending the resignation or involuntary removal of the President.

Removal in place has been seen in “figurehead” presidents in the past, employed due to illness or temporary physical or mental impairment during the terms of Presidents Wilson, Nixon, and Reagan. Historically, this option has been carried out more or less informally by measures such as confinement to hospital of the President, the removal of the CIC’s access to the nuclear “football” containing launch codes, and the heavy medication and close supervision of the President by aides.

The removal in place option requires the cooperation of key figures within the White House inner-circle along with civilian agencies to effectively keep the President from exercising undesirable command decisions of consequence. The effective maintenance of this option ultimately depends upon at least the passive acquiesance of the CIC and his immediate staff and family.

This option has the advantage of maintaining the public appearance of normalcy, avoiding open conflict between civilian and military authorities, and the attendant political and economic crises that open, formal, involuntary removal would entail.

Involuntary Removal

When it becomes apparent that an incompetent or psychologically impaired President can not be countered by normal political means or contained in place, military and civilian leaders must cooperate to insure that the CIC is disconnected from the mechanisms by which he might be able to issue launch orders to the national command system.

This option is a matter of last resort exercised only when by the consensus of the Joint Chiefs, after consultation with civilian heads of agencies and Congressional leaders, that the incumbent President presents extreme danger to the national security that can not be contained by alternatives, including those outlined above. The proper procedure would then be for alternate civilian leadership within the Line of Succession to invoke the 25th Amendment declaring the incumbent President incapable of carrying out his duties. If the Vice President is also judged incapable of carrying out succession duties in a responsible manner, he too is also subject to immediate removal under the 25th Amendment.

Involuntary removal may only be considered as a last resort in the face of grave, imminent threat to national security, such as to prevent the exercise of unlawful orders committing U.S. forces to hostilities. An example of unlawful launch orders would be issuance of a preemptive nuclear strike orders against a foreign state or power that poses no realistic, imminent, and grave threat to American forces or interests. Of particular concern would a launch order issued without Congressional consultation or approval initiating a conflict that foreseeably holds a high potential for large-scale U.S. military casualties or retaliatory attacks on civilian targets within the United States that can not be effectively defended against.

Given the escalating tensions in the region, and the vital U.S. interests at stake in South Asia, the top military commanders have forcefuly articulated their positon on various options. They have opposed implementation of plans for a preemptive attack on Iran. If the President were to issue a launch order for a preemptive attack on Iran without first obtaining a Congressional resolution of war, that action — in effect, an illegal order — would require the national command authority and civilian leadership to implement plans to contravene such an order, sever the CIC’s command authority, pending the removal the President and Vice President under the 25th Amendment.

Do not be deceived by the rhetoric and sabre-rattling. The United States will not go to war with Iran just because George W. Bush or Dick Cheney order it.
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Comment by ForTruth — February 28, 2007 @ 12:36 pm

If the right Mormon(LDS) comes along, why not?

Its ok, Sharon. Allow yourself a little hate. They deserve it.