Tony Snow: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Bin Laden Is The Leader Of Al Qaeda
Tony Snow: ‘I Don’t Know’ If Bin Laden Is The Leader Of Al Qaeda
On Sunday, it will have been 2,000 days since the 9/11 terror attacks — 2,000 days that Osama bin Laden has spent on the loose, living in freedom.
Yesterday, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow was asked about new U.S. intelligence showing that bin Laden is in Pakistan actively re-establishing al Qaeda training camps.
At first Snow claimed that this was “an intelligence matter that I’m not going to be able to go into,” despite the fact that the new National Intelligence Director had testified about this topic the day before. He then suggested that bin Laden may now be “marginalized.” A reporter responded, “Isn’t he the leader of al Qaeda?” Snow answered, “Well, I don’t know. It’s a real question about who assumes operational command.” Watch it:
Last month, Vice President Cheney referenced the #3 leader of al Qaeda “underneath Osama bin Laden and Zawahiri.” In December, Snow himself referred to al Qaeda as “the bin Laden organization.” Moreover, President Bush, Tony Snow, and other White House officials frequently quote bin Laden as proof that al Qaeda considers Iraq “the central battlefield in the war on terror.”
Only when the Bush administration is asked to face the truth about the threat that bin Laden poses do they pretend he might be a bit player. Otherwise, they’re happy to use his propaganda to justify their failing policies.
Transcript:
Q Tony, yesterday the President’s new Director of National Intelligence testified on Capitol Hill for the first time, and said, U.S. intelligence believes that Osama bin Laden and his number two are alive in Pakistan and reestablishing training camps. If you really have bin Laden on the run, how is he reestablishing training camps?
MR. SNOW: Well, that’s a question — that’s an intelligence matter that I’m not going to be able to go into.
Q But how can you continually say the leadership is on the run and –
MR. SNOW: Well, you take a look also at statements that have been made by generals in recent days — General Schoomaker the other day had a comment that I was asked about, which is he thought bin Laden had been marginalized. The question is whether al Qaeda — I think the bin Laden question may be separable from the al Qaeda question. It’s clear that al Qaeda is trying to gain strength –
Q But isn’t he the leader of al Qaeda?
MR. SNOW: Well, I don’t know. It’s a real question about who assumes operational command. One of the things we’ve found is that the command structure has been degraded significantly and that remains the case. But in terms of trying to characterize precisely how the command structure looks or how it operates, it would be inappropriate to comment from the podium.
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…or if he exists at all except in the minds of the warmongers….
March 1st, 2007 at 9:35 pmSnowflake is in charge of stepping up the stupid.
March 1st, 2007 at 9:44 pmThis is actually a good strategic move for the republicans. Even if Bin Laden is proven dead, captured or killed, they can marginalize who he is and drag out the new, more mysterious boogeyman. They know that the name ‘bin Laden’ will be a central figure in the ‘08 elections, as always, and they are wanting to distance themselves from that failure. Soon trolls will start appearing here saying that republicans are looking at the “larger picture in the war on terror”. The whole thing is complete bullsh*t, but to a dishonest political machine like Bush, who couldn’t care less, it is still a great strategy.
March 1st, 2007 at 9:48 pmha!!!
March 1st, 2007 at 9:48 pmWith Tony Snow as the PR jester Bushco is now so extremely farcical that it begs the question of why even hold press conferences because they are so lame and pathetic. I never thought I’d see the USA devolve into such a sorry state of affairs.
March 1st, 2007 at 9:50 pm“Even if Bin Laden is proven dead, captured or killed, they can marginalize who he is”
how is that different from what they’ve already been doing?
March 1st, 2007 at 9:52 pmhow is that different from what they’ve already been doing?
Comment by pgw — March 1, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
GOOD POINT
March 1st, 2007 at 9:54 pmAh yes…there once was a day when the WH briefing session/press conferences meant something other than pure comedy! Yawn….yawn…who cares what nonsense snowjob spews now! He’s totally irrelevant - just like the guys he works for. All totally irrelevant on the american landscape.
March 1st, 2007 at 9:55 pmThe fact is that we’ve had years to locate Bin Laden and have failed miserably. Of course, we couldn’t even get water to the victims of Katrina in the SuperDome for 5 days so go figure! It makes perfect sense that if we can’t manage to get water to dying people, we certainly can’t find someone hiding in underground tunnels. We’re fools to believe that we can. Our track record is horrendous and the american public now know that “no one is minding the store” in this administration.
March 1st, 2007 at 9:57 pmPresident Bush’s past utterances about Bin Laden could suggest Dubya’s frustration with the elusiveness of the Al Qaeda leader, still at large over five years after the 9/11 attacks. Or Bush’s “he loves me, he loves me not” statements could just be the product of unrequited love:
“All I would ask them to do is listen to the words of Osama bin Laden and take him seriously. When he says he’s going to hurt the American people again, or try to, he means it. I take it seriously, and the people of NSA take it seriously.” (January 25, 2006)
“So I don’t know where he is. You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you…I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.” (March 13, 2002)
“Gosh, I just don’t think I ever said I’m not worried about Osama bin Laden. It’s kind of one of those exaggerations. Of course we’re worried about Osama bin Laden.” (October 13, 2004)
“There’s an old poster out west, as I recall, that said, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.’” (September 17, 2001)
For more on President Bush’s take on Bin Laden, see:
March 1st, 2007 at 10:15 pm“Bush’s Bin Laden Fantasy.”
Damn, it’s quiet around here tonight….
March 1st, 2007 at 10:19 pmWe know who’s in charge of Bin Laden & Al Qadea — C.I.A.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:27 pmTranslation: We can’t catch the bastard, so don’t talk about him. Its the war on terror, stupid.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:31 pmI’m sorry, I couldn’t get past the title, I’m still laughing and shaking my head (I loved the comment Zooey posted in the previous thread - something about head hitting keyboard lmao - priceless).
So I suppose when you can’t make things better, changing the facts is the best way this administration can handle the mess it has created. Tony Snow should do PR for the devil, after all he can convince the world he doesn’t exist.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:33 pmIt’s easy to elude capture when you’re dead…
March 1st, 2007 at 10:36 pmThe CIA ? Why the hell would the CIA be in control of Bin Laden ? Oh, you mean its all a Dr. Evil-like plot ? I mean, I think oil and the defense businesses have a good handle on Chimpy and our whore Congress but you’ve really got to show some goods in order to make that statement.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:36 pmDamn, it’s quiet around here tonight….
Comment by Zooey — March 1, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Definitely is, but a peaceful quiet. I rather like it. None of the negativity, hate and anger from the right.
Patrick’s mother must have taken his keyboard away, and Michael probably passed out drunk around five o’clock.
Haven’t heard from ValiumVenus or ValientVehemence or whatever. Maybe the bar association called and laughed when they heard she’s a “lawyer”.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:37 pmCory,
**banging head on desk**
I seem to do that a lot these days. :}
March 1st, 2007 at 10:39 pmDamn, it’s quiet around here tonight….
Comment by Zooey
Well, I’m here for a little while. Let’s go crazy! ;)
It’s been difficult accessing TP today.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:43 pmTo quote Porter Goss, “I have a very good idea of where he is.”
Right.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:44 pmSaid it before but not taking down Bin Laden with a far, far larger bounty was a massive error on Bush’s part. $50 million ? Try $2 billion. Then you’ll get every retired SEAL, KGB, M3, Mosad teams going after the f__cker. I’d write a check for $100 right now for that bounty. How easily we all forget how he he was laughing in that video that came out in Dec of 01. He was sitting around talking with some Arab shiek about how they were actually surprised at how fast the towers came down. (Ahhhaaahaaha) The point is that Cheney wants us focusing on how unpatriotic 3/4 of the country is for not supporting the hellhole that Iraq is now. Wow, we really are friggin sheep with no hope.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:46 pmtony snow: professional LIAR…
March 1st, 2007 at 10:47 pmYeah, he’s on Bush’s payroll…
March 1st, 2007 at 10:48 pmi just get here, and now it’s time to go…
time for my jon, then stephen, then dave and/or keith…
MY INTERNETS WAS DOWN ALL DAY … AAAAAAAARGH!!!
i feel better now… :-)
later, maybe
March 1st, 2007 at 10:50 pmmaybe, g’nite…
Cory,
I just wish that when the trolls are staying away — I probably just summoned them — that more of our regulars would turn up to enjoy it.
I love your names for the Mighty Hag. Here’s the thumbnail version of that story: She used to post here as Mighty Aphro-dite (minus the -, that may be why my previous post about this didn’t show). Her persona was that she was a high priced lawyer, owned her own firm, married with children, veteran — you name it, she did it, and she did it better than anyone on earth every had. You know the type. We didn’t believe it, but how could we know for sure? One day she told an “amusing” story about one of her children who had died. It was disgusting, and every commenter here who is a parent knew it was a blatant lie. One of the commenters found her MySpace page and blew her out of the water. She stayed away for a while, but now she’s back with her charming style. She’s a complete waste of skin, in my opinion, and I don’t usually say that about people.
I’m sure michael is preparing for his debate with me. Heh.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:51 pmLater sez:
Take another look at that video. There’s no way the person in the ‘bin Laden confession video’ is actually Osama bin Laden.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:52 pmIt’s been difficult accessing TP today.
Comment by trueblue
They changed out their server this morning.
Ever thought of checking your email? I sicked Juan & Briseadh na Faire on you. Sharon has been asking about you. We’re all just heartsick missing you!
**sniff**
March 1st, 2007 at 10:54 pmUmmm,
Later,
That video was debunked.
“Osama” was wearing a gold ring, and was shown writing with his right hand.
Osama is Left-Handed, and his religion forbids such displays (the ring)
March 1st, 2007 at 10:54 pmWasn’t him.
Snow Job,
Well who trained OBL in the first place to fight Russia? What a nice double cross to have him pull off 9-11 too, so much to be gained by 9-11. All that missing money, collected insurance money, a cheap cleanup of WTC asbestos, a reason to go to war. All the MIC contracts. Firing of judges, stolen elections, BBC reporting WTC 7 collapsing 20 some minutes before it does…
There’s something wrong in wonderland!
March 1st, 2007 at 10:55 pmGood, Tony. Now back to the suitcase.
March 1st, 2007 at 10:55 pmZooey -
Wow, that is really sad. I feel a little sorry for her. It seems she doesn’t have very much self esteem. Attention seeking (mostly negative), sociopath behavior, manipulation, distorting reality, sympathy craving, etc. Apparently she must regard her own life as being substandard to this other life she has created, or she simply wants to place herself on an imaginary pedestal in order to deem herself superior to everyone on this board. I wonder if politics aren’t necessarily something she believes important but choose to frequent ThinkProgress as an outlet to make herself seem important and influential. Regardless, she seems young and impressionable.
March 1st, 2007 at 11:01 pmNope.
Not falling for the guilt trip tonight, Zooey!
;)
TP chugs along just fine without my disgust of trolls; and I do appreciate being missed.
:)
March 1st, 2007 at 11:02 pmCory,
You have a big heart — you should have that checked, we don’t want any surgery messing up those abs.
All of those things may be true about our Hag, but she’s so heartless and vicious that none of us care enough to try to find out.
Psych major?
March 1st, 2007 at 11:06 pmtrueblue,
Crap. Now I have to pull out the big giant bag of emotional blackmail. When did you get so damned tough?
March 1st, 2007 at 11:09 pmTo quote Porter Goss, “hey look over there!” [followed shortly with a puff of smoke and a Porter Goss–shaped hole in the wall]
March 1st, 2007 at 11:13 pmZooey: Bingo (hides head in shame of being “owned” lol). I have been studying for my PhD at Columbia in social organization psychology, although I am taking a leave of absence. Re-thinking the Corp. Psych route - not much of a “Corp. USA” supporter myself, really want to have a private practice but with HMO’s and the lack of private mental health coverage, most Psychologists spend half their time filling out paper work as insurance companies require extremely detailed notes on patients for coverage. It’s pretty insane. I/O psychologists make very good money either with a company or as an associate with a private firm, but most of your career is spent traveling 75-80% of the time.
Wow, sorry for the rather boring description of my private life lol. If you’re still awake, what’s your story? =)
March 1st, 2007 at 11:14 pmHey guys,
I haven’t been able to pull up TP or more than a week. Thought some crazy hacker troll actually followed up on those stupid/weird threats to hack mayhem into TP. I feel so isolated. I haven’t been able to get any news at all except my progress report. I see some new trolls (or old trolls with new names) have sprung up like turds in a litter box.
Back on topic…. I think one reason they are distancing themselves is because he is probably dead by some totally inane thing like an infection from a cave scratch or some stupid thing. It would be too anticlimatic and non-beneficial to them in any way, so they are distancing themselves to find the new “Mr. Terror” that will work the best for them.
March 1st, 2007 at 11:15 pmAlmost Dr Cory,
How did I know? Hmmm…? You’ll get it all figured out soon.
I’m just a woman who likes to do everything all backwards — married too young, two sons, happily divorced, career, empty nest, fired from a job I hated (thank you, great spirit in the sky), and just started my first semester of college in January. I totally love it.
Wake up!!
March 1st, 2007 at 11:27 pmCaption Contest:
“And then I pulled my index finger out oF George Bush’s ass, like this.”
March 1st, 2007 at 11:28 pmHmmmm……..I am suspcious of this Tony Snow character. Seems the Taliban are waiting for a sign from him to begin their spring offensive. They say they’ll attack when there is no more Snow.
-GSD
March 1st, 2007 at 11:42 pmZooey: I can relate. I took a few years off between education area’s, lived life a little, traveled. Didn’t get married though but I’m sure your children are the light of your life. Congrats on starting college, it must be a mix of excitement and nerves (I miss those days a little). What are you studying?
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March 1st, 2007 at 11:54 pmThe Bushland Uber Allies Court Jester Tony Colostomy-Bag Snow-JOB man is at his WIT’S END, which DOESN’T SAY MUCH–Snow NEVER HAD HIS WITS OR SANITY FOR THAT MATTER, ABOUT HIM!!!!!
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:00 amRachel:
“Pull my finger”
or
“You wanna smell Condi?”
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:01 amRachel:
“Pull my fingerâ€
or
“You wanna smell Condi?â€
Comment by Cory —
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Huh?
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:15 amCaption Contest:
“And then I pulled my index finger out oF George Bush’s ass, like this.â€
Comment by rachel kinnardi — March 1, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
I was responding to that, unless there are two Rachels? :(
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March 2nd, 2007 at 12:35 amhttp://www.vcnv.org/ project/ the-occupation-project
The Occupation Project
THE OCCUPATION PROJECT is a new effort initiated by UFPJ member organization Voices for Creative Nonviolence. The plan is to unfold a campaign of sustained nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at ending the U.S. war in and occupation of Iraq. The campaign begins with occupations at the offices of Representatives and Senators who refuse to pledge to vote against additional war funding.
Several UFPJ member groups, including CodePink, Peace Action, Veterans for Peace, After Downing Street, and a host of local groups from North Carolina to Alaska are all involved in this effort. United for Peace and Justice, as a national coalition, has also endorsed The Occupation Project.
Your group can find out more about this initiative, including how you can get involved, by visiting their website. Or you can contact the organizers via phone at 773-878-3815 or via email, occupationproject at vcnv.org
—————————————————————–
And if you haven’t already:
Click here and sign Peace Action’s “No War with Iran!” petition today!
http://www.peace-action.org/Iranpetition.html
This petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice rejects any U.S. military action against Iran and demands direct negotiations. Copies will go to Chairs of the Senate
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 am… unless there are two Rachels? :(
Comment by Cory
There are about,oh,say,18 of those.
March 2nd, 2007 at 12:50 amThis is a sitcom. A joke. 9/11 was an inside job.
March 2nd, 2007 at 1:13 amSo… Osama hates us, and that’s why we went after the Taliban in the first place. And the hijackers were mostly Saudi, so to corner Osama in the mountains of Pakistan we had to take down Iraq. Weapons of mass destruction needed to be ruled out, Hussein had to stand trial, and if you don’t like low taxes and high gas prices, you don’t support the troops.
(I love it when people say this stupid sh*t like is was assembled with refrigerator magnets.)
March 2nd, 2007 at 1:13 amI guess that it all really depends on what the definition of is is. I really miss Bill. He was many times as good as what we have now. I am so tired of the arogant wingnuts whose only response to problems is TAX CUTS and whose only response to criticism is SUPPORT THE TROOPS. They are bunch of selfish sphincters.
March 2nd, 2007 at 6:35 amWhere’s Waldo Bin Laden?
http://soc.hfac.uh.edu/ artman/ publish/ article_161.shtml
March 2nd, 2007 at 8:02 amIt really doesn’t matter if bin Laden is the leader of al Quida.
Both bin Laden and al Quida LOVE Pres. Bush!
Both bin Laden and al Quida HELPED Pres. Bush get re-elected!
Pres. Bush has returned the favor by NOT getting bin Laden, even though he promised “dead or alive”. Yet another in a long list of promises that Pres. Bush has failed to keep.
Pres. Bush has returned the favor by making sure there’s plenty of recruiting available to al Quida by invading Iraq based on lies and WAG’s (wild a$$ guesses) and fabricated information.
Pres. Bush LOVES bin Laden and al Quida! Without these two helping, Pres. Bush would NEVER have been re-elected!
March 2nd, 2007 at 8:29 amBum intelligence on Iraq - as well as N. Korea - and now they not only don’t know where bin laden is but can’t even figure out if he’s the leader of aQ or not. But by all means let’s give them the benefit of the doubt on Iran, right? After all, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day. Of course that same clock also gets it wrong 1438* times a day.
*Clarification for Trolls: 60min/hr x 24hrs/day x 1 day
March 2nd, 2007 at 8:47 amI already said this earlier on in the thread, but it bears repeating:
Osama bin Laden will forever elude capture, as he has been dead since December of 2001.
If Osama is not dead, and is in fact operating even now in Pakistan, why is it that we haven’t seen a single verifiable communication from him since 2001? Beginning with the phony ‘bin Laden confession video’, all the ‘communications’ from ‘bin Laden’ have been obvious frauds.
So, why would this administration work so hard to perpetrate the fiction of bin Laden alive and well? Because he’s too useful as a bogeyman…a focus for our anger and fear…to discard.
Briseadh na Faire sums it up quite succinctly with the following simple statement:
Osama Bin Laden = Emmanuel Goldstein
(P.S.: If you don’t understand the ‘Emmanuel Goldstein’ reference, you can look here for information, but I highly suggest you visit your local library and check out George Orwell’s 1984…after all, it’s one of the books this administration is using as an instruction manual…)
March 2nd, 2007 at 9:04 amGood day Mr. Snow.
I ahve but one question for you. Weapons of Mass Destruction were a highly publicized issue. Phots wwere dislpayed, prominent politicians reafirmed theis mancae, to mention .
March 2nd, 2007 at 10:24 amPlease eomment on this situation, after all it was the rigimes motive for invadin Iraq.
I realize that this is far from you topic of Bin Landen, hower I feel confident he is fairing well.
Thank you for you time anf for your concern.
Cdhristop heric Jones
If there are errors, the print is sot samll itis diffuclut to read.
Republicans keep saying we can’t leave Iraq until “the job is done” Well lets see… the troops where sent to look for WMD’S they’ve done that. They were sent to capture Saddam..They’ve done that, which means that job was finished a while ago. Why didn’t Republicans have a problem with us cut and running from Afghanistan? Obviously with the resurgent of the Taliban and Al Qaeda..That job wasn’t done. Shouldn’t we have moved every stone, rock and pebble until we found the man responsible for 911? It’s totally INSANE for anyone to think that Iraq war will make America safer. If anything it’s just the opposite. FYI Bin Laden is’nt in Iraq..SO WHY IN TH EHELL ARE WE STILL THERE? The former head of the “Bin Laden Unit” Michael Scheuer said that “Al Qaeda is going detonate a nuclear device inside the United States … and we’re going to have no one to blame but ourselves.” ”
“The war in Iraq broke our back in the war on terror,” said the former official, Michael Scheuer, it has made everything more difficult and the threat more existential.”
Scheuer, a former counterterrorism expert with the CIA, is one of more than 100 national security and terrorism analysts who were surveyed this spring for the nonscientific poll by Foreign Policy magazine and the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning research group headed by John Podesta, who served as White House chief of staff in the Clinton administration.
Of the experts queried, 45 identified themselves as liberals, 40 said they were moderates and 31 called themselves conservatives. The pollsters then weighted the responses so that the percentage results reflected one-third participation by each group.
Asked whether the United States is “winning the war on terror,” 84 percent said no and 13 percent answered yes. Asked whether the war in Iraq is helping or hurting the global antiterrorism campaign, 87 percent answered that it was undermining those efforts.”
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0630-06.htm
March 2nd, 2007 at 10:38 amOsama Bin Goldstein. why do I feel like im living in a novel these days?
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:27 amIn a review of a new biography of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli paper Ha’aretz included this purported exchange between President Bush and the now-comatose Sharon:
Speaking of George Bush, with whom Sharon developed a very close relationship, Uri Dan recalls that Sharon’s delicacy made him reluctant to repeat what the president had told him when they discussed Osama bin Laden. Finally he relented. And here is what the leader of the Western world, valiant warrior in the battle of cultures, promised to do to bin Laden if he caught him: “I will screw him in the ass!“
All hail our first psychotic gay President
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:43 amAs Bin Laden was our guy in the late 80s when we formed Al-CI-aida, we ought to know something don’t we??
March 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pmA press corps with balls would unanimously refuse to show up for these things, and Tony could get paid to just stand there by himself like the idiot/c*cksucker he really is.
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmIs bin Laden wanted for 9/11?
Why doesn’t the FBI say so? Check this link:
http://www.fbi.gov/ wanted/ terrorists/ terbinladen.htm
He is wanted for the embassy bombings of 1998. But why doesn’t the FBI post the marquiz crime of all time - 9/11? Is it because they don’t have enough evidence?
I’m not saying we shouldn’t catch him. But wake up. 9/11 Was covered-up and possibly an inside job.
No one in our government has been charged with criminal negligence, no one has been fired, or even demoted as a result of 9/11.
The elephant is right in front of our faces.
March 2nd, 2007 at 2:54 pmRemember this? It’s on TP somewhere…
Reporter: Are we winning the war in Iraq?
Tony Snow: I don’t know…how do you define “winning?”
March 2nd, 2007 at 4:19 pmThe fact is Bin Laden is coming back stronger than ever. The Taliban and Al Qaeda has tripled in size. Meanwhile we’re stuck in this mess in Iraq. Bush should have stayed in Afghanistan until Bin Laden was captured or killed. Iraq isn’t a threat to America, they didn’t attack us on 911. The Iraqis are engaged in a civil war and we should not be in the middle of it. Tony Blair knows where the threat is, that’s why he pulled some of his troops out and put them in Afghanistan. Michael Scheuer served in the CIA for 22 years before resigning in
March 2nd, 2007 at 4:22 pm2004; he served as the chief of the bin Laden unit at the
Counterterrorist Center from 1996 to 1999. I think he knows how Bin Laden operates better than anyone else. People need to sit up and take notice to what this guy is saying. IF there’s a chance that he’s right..We’re in deep $hit! This is not about the Iraq war it’s about protecting America, and so far Bush has done a piss poor job at that.
“The CIA ? Why the hell would the CIA be in control of Bin Laden ? …but you’ve really got to show some goods in order to make that statement.”
Here it is: Like it or not, 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. That’s all you need to know. Google on it, do your own research, I would say it’s worth a little investment of your time. The evidence is scientific, unmistakable, and overwhelming. It’s a closed case. Yeah, you may have to revise your whole world view to accomodate this, but the truth is inconvenient like that sometimes. And of course they’ll never find bin Laden as long as they need a bogeyman. Wake up sheep.
March 2nd, 2007 at 6:40 pmThe audio doesn’t sound convincing, where the reporter asks the
question “Q:”
MR. SNOW: Well, you take a look also at statements that have been made by generals in recent days — General Schoomaker the other day had a comment that I was asked about, which is he thought bin Laden had been marginalized. The question is whether al Qaeda — I think the bin Laden question may be separable from the al Qaeda question. It’s clear that al Qaeda is trying to gain strength –
Q But isn’t he the leader of al Qaeda?
MR. SNOW: Well, I don’t know. It’s a real question about who assumes operational command. One of the things we’ve found is that the command structure has been degraded significantly and that remains the case. But in terms of trying to characterize precisely how the command structure looks or how it operates, it would be inappropriate to comment from the podium.
(The audio sounds dubbed over the video, or the video looks a bit
edited)…
Anyway, 9/11 was definitely an inside job. Just watch 9/11 Mysteries
and Loose Change 2 (movies) at:
http://www.truth911.net
http://www.911weknow.com
and watch the unmistakable explosions along the sides of the WTC
buildings as they collapsed at FREE-FALL accelerating speeds, as if
the lower materials were as weak as air, offering no structural strength
or support at all… you cannot convert strong engineering materials to
zero strength powder and molten liquid steel, just from air fires…
Air fires burn at between 233 C to 300 C (depending on the breeze),
no matter how much fuel you have available… it is the rate at which
available oxygen can react with the hydrogen from the fuel, which
determines the combustion reaction rate and flame temperature… and
every scientist and engineer knows, there is not enough oxygen in the
air we breathe to get hydrocarbon fuel air fires hotter than 300 C…
and there is no way that steel, which melts at 1532 C, can lose all its
strength when exposed to atmospheric pressure hydrocarbon fuel air
fires… there is no way 300 C fires can bring the metal temperatures to
above 1532 C to weaken the steel, so that it all fails instantly, even
for the lower unburned levels that were not affected by any fires.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS:
All WTC 1, 2 and 7 buildings that collapsed on September 11, 2001, fell “into themselves” or into their foundations at close to free-fall, zero-resistance, accelerating speeds, and did not damage nearby buildings significantly. (This is the path of highest resistance, and the least likely way a building could collapse… just like if you were to chop a tree, and rather than leaning over on an angle and bend about a hinging point, it disintegrates into fine sawdust powder from the top, all the way down to the roots, even below the point where you chopped or cut the tree… the area where it was weakened)
Melting point of steel (when steel displays zero strength) = 1532 C (Celcius) or 2790 F
Temperature of jet fuel fire in open air = 233 C (451 F) to 300 C (depending on breeze)
A metal object can never get hotter than its heat source, eg. the flames…
Even up to 300 C, steel loses no strength. The Twin Towers stood strong for over 56 minutes…
Another important fact about the WTC 1, 2 and 7 basements…
The emergency and clean-up crews reported seeing large pools of MOLTEN METAL in the basements of all 3 WTC buildings that collapsed. Firefighters described the basements as “red hot” and full of molten steel, just “like a foundry” (which can also be seen in photographs). The basements remained at super-hot temperatures, hotter than air fires, for up to 6 weeks after September 11, 2001, and many clean-up workers had gone through up to 5 or 6 pairs of boots, because their boots had melted due to the hot ground conditions, even several weeks after 9/11…
Videos shows hot steam gushing out of the WTC ground zero, as water was pumped into the basements in order to cool down the molten steel… (note that steel and iron only melt at temperatures above 1532 C, and that if fuel-air fires can melt steel, then your motorcycle engines and car engines would all start sagging and turning all soft on you due to explosions! )
Don’t forget… everytime you use a steel cooking pot (exposing it to gas flames), or a steel grill or barbeque hotplate, to cook your steak and sausages … you are proving to yourself that fire cannot melt steel… because open atmospheric air pressure cannot supply enough oxygen to react with the available hydrogen in the fuel (eg. gas, propane, paper, wood, etc) to get temperatures much hotter than 250 C to 300 C.
You also prove this true each time you use an aluminium frying pan, because the melting point of aluminium is about 600 C… So if you do not notice your aluminium frying pan melting, or even aluminium foil, turning into liquid, when exposed to air fire, then you are not getting any hotter than 600 C. At 600 C, steel is still at about half of its full strength, and still able to carry the weight of a mostly empty building that has a 600% or 6 times overdesign safety factor for extra strength; even at half strength, the steel was still 3 times stronger than necessary to hold up the WTC 110 storey towers at maximum loading capacity.
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