Comments on: 7,000 more troops. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:09:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: canadian federal government grants http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-4761674 canadian federal government grants Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:51:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-4761674 <strong>government grants for woman starting a business</strong> Hello. I just dropped by. I've gotta say, you have I like your information. Come check out my government grants for home owner webpage. government grants for woman starting a business

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]]> By: Raymond Funamoto http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1976215 Raymond Funamoto Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:30:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1976215 Poor soldiers, they're going be sent to the front time and time again because of Bushland Uber Allies' STUPIDITY, GREED, MALICIOUSNESS, UNCARING SOCIOPATHIC MINDSET, LACK OF COMPASSION, and PURE EVIL! DEATH TO Bushland Uber Allies!!!!! Poor soldiers, they’re going be sent to the front time and time again because of Bushland Uber Allies’ STUPIDITY, GREED, MALICIOUSNESS, UNCARING SOCIOPATHIC MINDSET, LACK OF COMPASSION, and PURE EVIL! DEATH TO Bushland Uber Allies!!!!!

]]> By: Erroll http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1974907 Erroll Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:15:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1974907 Rachel Very well said. It has been a mystery to me why Think Progress, supposedely a liberal web site, refuses to acknowledge the existence of Lt. Ehren Watada, one of the most vociferous critics of the war/occupation in Iraq. Lt. Watada has been one of the most courageous voices to speak out against U.S. policy in Iraq but yet Think Progress, to the best of my knowledge, has not devoted one post in support of what the lieutenant has done. The best way to stop an illegal war is to have it happen from within [as demonstrated in the 2006 documentary Sir! No Sir!, which focused on the GI resistance during the Vietnam War] and the lieutenant is doing his best to make this a reality. But there is a better chance of this happening if the liberal blogs will [finally] lend their support to the cause that he has undertaken. Rachel

Very well said. It has been a mystery to me why Think Progress, supposedely a liberal web site, refuses to acknowledge the existence of Lt. Ehren Watada, one of the most vociferous critics of the war/occupation in Iraq. Lt. Watada has been one of the most courageous voices to speak out against U.S. policy in Iraq but yet Think Progress, to the best of my knowledge, has not devoted one post in support of what the lieutenant has done. The best way to stop an illegal war is to have it happen from within [as demonstrated in the 2006 documentary Sir! No Sir!, which focused on the GI resistance during the Vietnam War] and the lieutenant is doing his best to make this a reality. But there is a better chance of this happening if the liberal blogs will [finally] lend their support to the cause that he has undertaken.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1974156 RUCerious Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:38:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1974156 And by this time next year, the number will be 280,000 troops and the Bushites will be spinning it as, well, you missed the number of zeroes we needed./.. And by this time next year, the number will be 280,000 troops and the Bushites will be spinning it as, well, you missed the number of zeroes we needed./..

]]> By: Scooter http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1974047 Scooter Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:24:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1974047 <em>Quadrajet</em>, You're right, I forgot Nixon. Sorry Quadrajet,
You’re right, I forgot Nixon. Sorry

]]> By: rachel http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1973993 rachel Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:13:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1973993 http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=3456 -------------------------------------------------------------- War Resisters -- Support the Troops Who Refuse to Fight The Army has re-filed charges against Lt. Ehren Watada, the first commissioned officer to refuse deployment to Iraq, following mistrial. Find out the latest developments in his case and how you can help. It takes courage to say that you will not fight -- especially if you are a soldier. As more members of the U.S. military step forward for peace, the peace movement must step forward to support them. Large numbers are now refusing to serve: The Department of Defense estimates that there are about 8,000 AWOL service members. The GI Rights Hotline http://www.girights.objector.org/ (800-394-9544) is currently receiving about 3,000 calls a month. Most importantly, a growing number of soldiers are speaking out, against the illegality and immorality of the Iraq war and the orders they are being told to carry out. These brave men and women are risking jail time and their futures to stand up against the war. Click here http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=3456 to find out how you can support them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=3456
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War Resisters — Support the Troops Who Refuse to Fight

The Army has re-filed charges against Lt. Ehren Watada, the first commissioned officer to refuse deployment to Iraq, following mistrial. Find out the latest developments in his case and how you can help.

It takes courage to say that you will not fight — especially if you are a soldier. As more members of the U.S. military step forward for peace, the peace movement must step forward to support them.

Large numbers are now refusing to serve: The Department of Defense estimates that there are about 8,000 AWOL service members. The GI Rights Hotline http://www.girights.objector.org/

(800-394-9544) is currently receiving about 3,000 calls a month.

Most importantly, a growing number of soldiers are speaking out, against the illegality and immorality of the Iraq war and the orders they are being told to carry out. These brave men and women are risking jail time and their futures to stand up against the war. Click here http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=3456 to find out how you can support them.
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]]> By: rachel http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1973942 rachel Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:04:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1973942 http://www.vcnv.org/ project/ the-occupation-project The Occupation Project THE OCCUPATION PROJECT is a new effort initiated by UFPJ member organization Voices for Creative Nonviolence. The plan is to unfold a campaign of sustained nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at ending the U.S. war in and occupation of Iraq. The campaign begins with occupations at the offices of Representatives and Senators who refuse to pledge to vote against additional war funding. Several UFPJ member groups, including CodePink, Peace Action, Veterans for Peace, After Downing Street, and a host of local groups from North Carolina to Alaska are all involved in this effort. United for Peace and Justice, as a national coalition, has also endorsed The Occupation Project. Your group can find out more about this initiative, including how you can get involved, by visiting their website. Or you can contact the organizers via phone at 773-878-3815 or via email, occupationproject at vcnv.org —————————————————————– And if you haven’t already: Click here and sign Peace Action’s “No War with Iran!” petition today! http://www.peace-action.org/Iranpetition.html This petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice rejects any U.S. military action against Iran and demands direct negotiations. Copies will go to Chairs of the Senate -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.vcnv.org/ project/ the-occupation-project The Occupation Project THE OCCUPATION PROJECT is a new effort initiated by UFPJ member organization Voices for Creative Nonviolence. The plan is to unfold a campaign of sustained nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at ending the U.S. war in and occupation of Iraq. The campaign begins with occupations at the offices of Representatives and Senators who refuse to pledge to vote against additional war funding. Several UFPJ member groups, including CodePink, Peace Action, Veterans for Peace, After Downing Street, and a host of local groups from North Carolina to Alaska are all involved in this effort. United for Peace and Justice, as a national coalition, has also endorsed The Occupation Project. Your group can find out more about this initiative, including how you can get involved, by visiting their website. Or you can contact the organizers via phone at 773-878-3815 or via email, occupationproject at vcnv.org —————————————————————– And if you haven’t already: Click here and sign Peace Action’s “No War with Iran!” petition today! http://www.peace-action.org/Iranpetition.html This petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice rejects any U.S. military action against Iran and demands direct negotiations. Copies will go to Chairs of the Senate http://www.vcnv.org/ project/ the-occupation-project

The Occupation Project

THE OCCUPATION PROJECT is a new effort initiated by UFPJ member organization Voices for Creative Nonviolence. The plan is to unfold a campaign of sustained nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at ending the U.S. war in and occupation of Iraq. The campaign begins with occupations at the offices of Representatives and Senators who refuse to pledge to vote against additional war funding.

Several UFPJ member groups, including CodePink, Peace Action, Veterans for Peace, After Downing Street, and a host of local groups from North Carolina to Alaska are all involved in this effort. United for Peace and Justice, as a national coalition, has also endorsed The Occupation Project.

Your group can find out more about this initiative, including how you can get involved, by visiting their website. Or you can contact the organizers via phone at 773-878-3815 or via email, occupationproject at vcnv.org
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And if you haven’t already:

Click here and sign Peace Action’s “No War with Iran!” petition today!

http://www.peace-action.org/Iranpetition.html

This petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice rejects any U.S. military action against Iran and demands direct negotiations. Copies will go to Chairs of the Senate
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http://www.vcnv.org/ project/ the-occupation-project

The Occupation Project

THE OCCUPATION PROJECT is a new effort initiated by UFPJ member organization Voices for Creative Nonviolence. The plan is to unfold a campaign of sustained nonviolent civil disobedience aimed at ending the U.S. war in and occupation of Iraq. The campaign begins with occupations at the offices of Representatives and Senators who refuse to pledge to vote against additional war funding.

Several UFPJ member groups, including CodePink, Peace Action, Veterans for Peace, After Downing Street, and a host of local groups from North Carolina to Alaska are all involved in this effort. United for Peace and Justice, as a national coalition, has also endorsed The Occupation Project.

Your group can find out more about this initiative, including how you can get involved, by visiting their website. Or you can contact the organizers via phone at 773-878-3815 or via email, occupationproject at vcnv.org
—————————————————————–

And if you haven’t already:

Click here and sign Peace Action’s “No War with Iran!” petition today!

http://www.peace-action.org/Iranpetition.html

This petition to Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice rejects any U.S. military action against Iran and demands direct negotiations. Copies will go to Chairs of the Senate

]]> By: mbbsdphil http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1973912 mbbsdphil Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:58:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1973912 WHAT? This administration intentionally understating the risks, resources, and time required to achieve its objectives in Iraq? They couldn't possibly be so irresponsible, deceitful or incompetent. Could they? WHAT? This administration intentionally understating the risks, resources, and time required to achieve its objectives in Iraq? They couldn’t possibly be so irresponsible, deceitful or incompetent. Could they?

]]> By: Chris http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1973741 Chris Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:43:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1973741 more British tactics of expanding FOBs outward to better integrate with the population will help the mission. 17. Comment by Dissident — March 2, 2007 @ 11:35 am Bad idea. I was at FOB Italy near Dogwood, just outside of Baghdad. For one, American troops can't stand the Iraqis. Any of them. We never know who the enemy is from one week to the next, and frequently get shot at by our "allies". Any integration with the population will be a bad thing. more British tactics of expanding FOBs outward to better integrate with the population will help the mission.
17.

Comment by Dissident — March 2, 2007 @ 11:35 am

Bad idea. I was at FOB Italy near Dogwood, just outside of Baghdad. For one, American troops can’t stand the Iraqis. Any of them. We never know who the enemy is from one week to the next, and frequently get shot at by our “allies”. Any integration with the population will be a bad thing.

]]> By: Dissident http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1973611 Dissident Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:35:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1973611 Comment by Chris — March 2, 2007 @ 11:24 am I agree with you that we have tried sending more troops before and it failed, but perhaps as someone that was there for 18 months you can shed some light on whether the new, more British tactics of expanding FOBs outward to better integrate with the population will help the mission. While I agree that a Shia-Sunni overall accord or memo of understanding won't be possible from a religious perspective I guess I'm looking for the once-relatively secular Iraqi people to go back to that mindset. If they no longer have to choose a side because things are better secured, I think that there would be significant domestic pressure for an end to hostilities between the groups. Perhaps it's wishful thinking at this juncture, but I can't seem to think of another alternative that wouldn't have us back there in about five years anyway. Comment by Chris — March 2, 2007 @ 11:24 am

I agree with you that we have tried sending more troops before and it failed, but perhaps as someone that was there for 18 months you can shed some light on whether the new, more British tactics of expanding FOBs outward to better integrate with the population will help the mission. While I agree that a Shia-Sunni overall accord or memo of understanding won’t be possible from a religious perspective I guess I’m looking for the once-relatively secular Iraqi people to go back to that mindset. If they no longer have to choose a side because things are better secured, I think that there would be significant domestic pressure for an end to hostilities between the groups. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking at this juncture, but I can’t seem to think of another alternative that wouldn’t have us back there in about five years anyway.

]]> By: PoliticalCritic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1973023 PoliticalCritic Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:32:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1973023 These numbers have been all over the place. At one point, I read the actual troop 'surge' was 48,000. Where is the truth? These numbers have been all over the place. At one point, I read the actual troop ’surge’ was 48,000. Where is the truth?

]]> By: Chris http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972939 Chris Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:24:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972939 Comment by Dissident — March 2, 2007 @ 11:17 am The surge is nothing new. We have tried the same thing 3 times before, and it backfired on us every time. Every General has said that more troops means more violence, not less. We have proven it. I was there for Operation Desert Scorpion Fallujah in '04. We have done the same thing two more times since then. As for a political settlement between the Shia and Sunni ... good luck, we'll be there for generations waiting for that. Comment by Dissident — March 2, 2007 @ 11:17 am

The surge is nothing new. We have tried the same thing 3 times before, and it backfired on us every time. Every General has said that more troops means more violence, not less. We have proven it. I was there for Operation Desert Scorpion Fallujah in ‘04. We have done the same thing two more times since then. As for a political settlement between the Shia and Sunni … good luck, we’ll be there for generations waiting for that.

]]> By: Dissident http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972904 Dissident Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:17:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972904 I'm surprised that everyone is rejecting the surge so handily. Combined with a new battle plan sending additional troops will help to accomplish the mission. No definition of military victory? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the mission is to facilitate the provision of relative security for a period of time (say a year) so that Iraqis feel more confident in their government, Iraqi security forces are better trained to fill in for redeployed US troops, and so a political settlement between Shia and Sunni can be attempted. Sure, bitch at Bush all you want, fine and dandy but try and read between the lines on some of this stuff. We're there now (due to Bush's idiocy) and we have a mission to carry out. Stop complaining about Bush and the right and start supporting a plan for relative success. Hint: It's not "cut funding" or "whine until we're blue in the face." I’m surprised that everyone is rejecting the surge so handily. Combined with a new battle plan sending additional troops will help to accomplish the mission. No definition of military victory? It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the mission is to facilitate the provision of relative security for a period of time (say a year) so that Iraqis feel more confident in their government, Iraqi security forces are better trained to fill in for redeployed US troops, and so a political settlement between Shia and Sunni can be attempted.

Sure, bitch at Bush all you want, fine and dandy but try and read between the lines on some of this stuff. We’re there now (due to Bush’s idiocy) and we have a mission to carry out. Stop complaining about Bush and the right and start supporting a plan for relative success. Hint: It’s not “cut funding” or “whine until we’re blue in the face.”

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972848 Jay Randal Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:09:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972848 Chris > the invasion and occupation of Iraq has always been to secure and control the oil fields in that country. The so-called mission is to guard the oil infrastructure till every drop of oil is sucked out of the ground, so 20 to 30 years of more death and destruction. US soldiers should be told they are dying so Big Oil companies like Chevron can get more profits. Chris > the invasion and occupation of Iraq has always been to secure and control the oil fields in that country. The so-called mission is to guard the oil infrastructure till every drop of oil is sucked out of the ground, so 20 to 30 years of more death and destruction. US soldiers should be told they are dying so Big Oil companies like Chevron can get more profits.

]]> By: ◊Ω◊ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972811 ◊Ω◊ Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:04:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972811 ...and we don’t have a definition of a military victory, then how will sending more troops help? Comment by Chris DUH;You got me there. GWB.. …and we don’t have a definition of a military victory, then how will sending more troops help?
Comment by Chris

DUH;You got me there.

GWB..

]]> By: Chris http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972738 Chris Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:59:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972738 Fine. He can send as many troops as he wants as long as he can answer three questions: 1. Who is the enemy these troops will be fighting? I spent 18 months in Iraq not knowing the answer to that one. 2. What is the mission, and how will more troops be able to accomplish that mission? 3. How will these troops know when victory has been achieved and it is time to come home? If we don't know who the enemy is, or what the mission is, and we don't have a definition of a military victory, then how will sending more troops help? Fine. He can send as many troops as he wants as long as he can answer three questions:
1. Who is the enemy these troops will be fighting? I spent 18 months in Iraq not knowing the answer to that one.
2. What is the mission, and how will more troops be able to accomplish that mission?
3. How will these troops know when victory has been achieved and it is time to come home? If we don’t know who the enemy is, or what the mission is, and we don’t have a definition of a military victory, then how will sending more troops help?

]]> By: DMom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972717 DMom Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:56:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972717 Bush lied..... What's else is new? Do we even have that many troops left? I don't think people are still signing up to go. Bush lied….. What’s else is new?

Do we even have that many troops left? I don’t think people are still signing up to go.

]]> By: ◊Ω◊ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972673 ◊Ω◊ Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:51:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972673 Scooter, don’t forget Nixon Comment by Quadrajet If I were God,I'd consider redeeming Nixon and Reagan,just to be sure there is room in Hell for Bush and Cheney/et.al.. Scooter, don’t forget Nixon
Comment by Quadrajet

If I were God,I’d consider redeeming Nixon and Reagan,just to be sure there is room in Hell for Bush and Cheney/et.al..

]]> By: R http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972664 R Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:50:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972664 Apparently, the Dems are relunctant to cut funding for the troop surge because they are afraid Bush will "play chicken" and send the troops anyway without the needed armor, weapons and protective gear they need. If the truth be known, troops are being sent without proper training anyway and I don't know if they ever had the gear and protective gear they needed since day one. What is the alternative; to let Bush have his way because we are afraid of what he may do? I think we should cut funding and be done with it. Never let a madman have the upper hand. We cannot argue with a sociopath, nor should we try. Cut funding, commence with impeachment and get the bastard out of the White House, for Christ's sake. Write your Congresspeople and hastle them. Be a pain in thier respectives asses, until something is done. Apparently, the Dems are relunctant to cut funding for the troop surge because they are afraid Bush will “play chicken” and send the troops anyway without the needed armor, weapons and protective gear they need. If the truth be known, troops are being sent without proper training anyway and I don’t know if they ever had the gear and protective gear they needed since day one. What is the alternative; to let Bush have his way because we are afraid of what he may do? I think we should cut funding and be done with it. Never let a madman have the upper hand. We cannot argue with a sociopath, nor should we try. Cut funding, commence with impeachment and get the bastard out of the White House, for Christ’s sake. Write your Congresspeople and hastle them. Be a pain in thier respectives asses, until something is done.

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/comment-page-1/#comment-1972619 Jay Randal Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:45:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/02/7000-more-troops/#comment-1972619 Bush lied about number of troops because escalating the Iraq Fiasco War means sending more troops without an end > perpetual warfare. Bush lied about number of troops because escalating the Iraq Fiasco War means sending more troops without an end > perpetual warfare.

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