ThinkFast: March 5, 2007
ThinkFast: March 5, 2007
Middle class Americans are increasingly unable to afford health insurance. “Today, more than one-third of the uninsured — 17 million of the nearly 47 million — have family incomes of $40,000 or more, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonpartisan organization. More than two-thirds of the uninsured are in households with at least one full-time worker.”
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s national security panel and the defense subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee will hold hearings today on the scandal at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.
The Washington Post writes of conditions at military and VA hospitals: ‘It Is Not Just Walter Reed.’ The Department of Veterans Affairs, headed by former RNC director Jim Nicholson, is “likely to come under scrutiny at the hearings.” He has been accused by some veterans and the organizations that represent them of “being primarily a mouthpiece for the Bush administration.”
According to the U.S. Climate Action Report, the Bush administration “estimates that emissions by the United States of gases that contribute to global warming will grow nearly as fast through the next decade as they did the previous decade.” Climate change experts “described the projected emissions as unacceptable given the rising evidence of risks from unabated global warming.”
Afghan President Hamid Karzai “condemned U.S. troops for shooting dead 10 civilians at the weekend as officials said nine more — five women, four children and an old man — had been killed in an air strike.”
There is no Plan B in Iraq, according to a group of governors who last week met with Joint Chiefs chairman Peter Pace to discuss the options if Bush’s escalation plan doesn’t work. “I’m a Marine,” Pace reportedly said. “and Marines don’t talk about failure.” “Plan B was to make Plan A work,” Gov. Phil Bredesen (D-TN) recalled Pace telling the group.
“Iraq’s Interior Ministry has fired or reassigned more than 10,000 employees, including high-ranking police, who were found to have tortured prisoners, accepted bribes or had ties to militias. … A soon-to-be-released internal inquiry also details 41 incidents of human rights abuse at the ministry.”
Jurors in the Libby trial will resume deliberations this week. The jury will start by receiving a response from Judge Reggie Walton to a question they submitted on Friday. “Is it necessary for the government to present evidence that it is not humanly possible for someone not to recall an event in order to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt?” the jurors asked.
And finally: He may not be Oprah, but FBI Director Robert Mueller “has started a new bureau reading list to help his G-men broaden their horizons.” Some “gems” include: Public Enemies, by Bryan Burrough, about the birth of the FBI, and Louis Gerstner’s Who Says Elephants Can’t Dance? about IBM’s historic turnaround.
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I saw the Foxnews parody of the Comedy Central parody of Foxnews for the first time last night. What pathetic garbage! It wasn’t even a half-hour. It signed off at 10:23.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:02 amDuhmerica’s soul has been lost in an orgy of death and destruction…
…those who support these despicable invasions of vengence…
…will pay a heavy price…
…Karma is everything…
March 5th, 2007 at 9:16 am…Duhmerican soldiers wiped out four generations of one family in firing on that crowd…
…a great grandfather, a grandfather, a father and his son…
…wiped out protesting in the DUHmerican made DEMOCRACY of Afghanistan…
March 5th, 2007 at 9:17 amApparently there is no Plan B for Afghanistan either. Just more of the same for both: slaughter followed by atrocity followed by slaughter.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:19 amThank’s for the up date Pete, I never watch fux new’s so would not of known..
On the what did we miss….How about posting something on the new H Bomb that is being worked on out in California and the fact it has been in the work’s for 2 year’s…Hello TP….Are you there?.Thank you…Blessings all
March 5th, 2007 at 9:20 amThere is no Plan B in Iraq, according to a group of governors who last week met with Joint Chiefs chairman Peter Pace to discuss the options if Bush’s escalation plan doesn’t work. “I’m a Marine,†Pace reportedly said. “and Marines don’t talk about failure.†“Plan B was to make Plan A work,†Gov. Phil Bredesen (D-TN) recalled Pace telling the group.
Seriously? I wonder how that logic applies to the rest of life:
“I only applied to one college because I will get into it. If they don’t accept me, I’ll just show up on my own and start going to classes.”
“Sorry we lost the project, boss. I thought my plan for the proposal would work, and when the client changed scope on us, I continued to ram down his throat my initial approach without adapting to the changing environment”
“As a now paralyzed trapeze artist, I felt that having a net to catch me if I fell was acknowledging that I was going to fail to catch the trapeze.”
March 5th, 2007 at 9:20 am“I’m a Marine,†Pace reportedly said. “and Marines don’t talk about failure.†“Plan B was to make Plan A work,†Gov. Phil Bredesen (D-TN) recalled Pace telling the group.
I don’t think it’s the military’s place to have a Plan B. They should commit themselves to executing Plan A. It is the Administration’s responsibility to have a back-up plans and ideas what to do next. But to ask this administration to take responsibility for an action is like asking the moon to jump into your pocket.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:21 amHe has been accused by some veterans and the organizations that represent them of being primarily a mouthpiece for the Bush administration.
I’m shocked. Really. Shocked.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:21 amProponents of our system of private health insurance seem unable to answer the following question: why do Americans pay fully twice as much for health care as the so-called welfare states of Europe, yet receive health care that is worse by nearly all quantitative measures of patient outcome? Does this kind of economics, paying twice as much for worse product, make sense to Republicans? I know it doesn’t make any sense to me, but, then again, I’m not a Republican, so perhaps I don’t experience whatever brain malfunction causes Republicans to believe the crazy things they say they believe.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:22 amDestructive reactionary government, what else would you expect. Break things, acknowledge they’re broken and spend the future on repairs that only your business friends can provide. Meanwhile the federal treasury gets a GOP policy suppository and who’s supposed to clean this up? This is the ultimate fate for Mr. President, sorta like Nixon forming the EPA, Mr. President will have created the single largest entitlement program in the name of Veteran’s affairs, FOREVER. Socialistic Militarism, by proxy of Veteran compensation. We need to vote for some correction.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:28 amPace’s remarks “Marines don’t talk about failure†and “Plan B was to make Plan A work†come across as sophomoric. If he doesn’t want to give a serious answer, he should demur and refer the question to policy makers.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:28 amBig Papa, You and I think the same….All this killing is heart breaking….To kill off entire famelies and entire tribes, leveling town’s is their goal, has been since before this administration got them selves installed…..All part of their plan….I grieve…….Blessings
March 5th, 2007 at 9:28 amDon’t look now but it appears the Chinese and the Japanese watched Meet the Press and saw Jack Murtha so they decided to dump their stocks again.
Dagnabbit Jack! What will Congressman Gomert say this week about Jack ruining the stock market?
-GSD
March 5th, 2007 at 9:29 amWFT is up with these Libby jurors?
What evidence could exist that would PROVE exactly what is in someones head?
Nothing.
It is “without a reasonable doubt” that if a man learns information from his Boss who happens to be Vice President, and discusses it repeatedly and at legnth with people, He “knows” that information.
If he is told a month later the same information, It is not reasonable to believe he could have forgotten it entirely and would now have to learn it anew.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:31 amComment by VerbalKint — March 5, 2007 @ 9:22 am
The challenge is, if we go to Universal Health Care run by the government, we’ll all be totally screwed if we EVER elect a Republican again. The Republicans have proven that we cannot trust them to do the right thing by the masses of the American people. They will, however, do the right thing by the ruling elite.
For example, Bush’s answer to rising health care costs? Turn the benefits you get from your employer into taxable income! More health care savings accounts (can you afford one of those?)
March 5th, 2007 at 9:32 amYou, Andrew Marvel,
Is the sun slowly setting on the American empire?
“Apparently there is no Plan B for Afghanistan either. Just more of the same for both: slaughter followed by atrocity followed by slaughter.”
This is why I say to the 9-11 conspiracy theorists, that’s impossible!
This administration has the stealth and surgical precision of Leatherface.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:33 amThe health-care companies have learned to do what every other American business does, which is minimize it’s risk and maximize it’s profit by making their products accessible only to those with relatively high incomes (a shrinking group). This is what happens when the “free-market” god is worshipped above all else, people suffer and die for the profits of a few.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:37 amIt looks like someones son might end up voting for Hillary or Barack Obama instead of his pappy.
“I got my values from my mother.”
– Andrew Giuliani, quoted by the New York Daily News, in an article about his troubled relationship with his father, Rudy Giuliani.
-GSD
March 5th, 2007 at 9:39 am#15
March 5th, 2007 at 9:39 amYes, they appear to be total morons, but like BnF has said, from an their standpoint, they have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are not morons, that is spin and excuse. They HAVE created the country in a manner that is supremely beneficial to them. 9-11 conspiracy is not so out there, either.
#9
US Citizens pay more for health care individually out of their own pockets. More for Drugs and proceedures.
AND
The US Government also pays more then any other Goverment for that care as well, out of your taxes.
AND
The high cost has nothing to do with lawsuits whatsoever. Drug Companies and Insurance firms have been given Carte Blance to rip off Americans by the Bush administration.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:39 amSo Afghan “civilians” (terrorists) come after our troops with bombs strapped to their backs, when our soldiers defend themselves they get blasted for ’slaughter and atrocity’.
The facts aren’t even in, yet all you can talk about is how are troops are committing atrocities. Tell me, klyde, how you support our troops?
March 5th, 2007 at 9:42 am#20 Same old *yawn*. Here is an idea; some of us (who believe differently from you) believe that all human beings deserve humann rights! We also believe that the best way for supporting American troops is to get them out of an illegal and immoral war so that other people who are having their rights violated do not get more angry and do unto us what we have done unto them.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:50 amYour whole “suport the troops” at all costs is the mantra of an unthinking and uncaring bootstepper. Get bettter dialog or go log onto a site that appreciates your blind faithfulness. chump
Our resident trolls would interpret 47 million uninsured Americans as “market forces”.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:52 amWhy do the trolls Hate America?
#21, this was in Afghanistan… is that an ‘immoral and illegal’ war also?
March 5th, 2007 at 9:54 amhttp://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view_article.php?article_id=52919
BASRA, Iraq — Iraqi special forces backed by coalition troops raided a government intelligence headquarters on Sunday and uncovered evidence of torture and links to bomb attacks, the British military said.
Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki reacted with fury to the raid and demanded that those members of the security forces who took part be punished.
Read all about it here.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:55 amIf you add what the government spends in hundreds billions on health
add to that what the states spend on health,
add to that what companies pay for health,
add to that what people pay from their pockets in way of health insurance policies …
and what they pay ‘after their insurance coverage’…from their own pockets.as co payments and medicine.
It is a huge …huge amounts of money,yet tens of millions of Americans still un insured…
The retirees checks are eaten up by this monsterous health system…
The trend is scary…the whole thing should be examined and corrected .
Last year estimated 550,000 Americans went overseas to have operations and medical treatments,because they cannot afford the system overhere anymore.
The rosy pitcure that the politicians put about the health system is not there; it is not accurate if not misleading.
Politicians should seek social justice toall. and health is the heart of all social justices…
Health system should not be hijacked by the medical enterprise system.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:57 amComment by Bluedahlia — March 5, 2007 @ 9:50 am
‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
-Edmund Burke
Good men are in Afghanistan trying to DO SOMETHING.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:59 am#23
March 5th, 2007 at 10:01 amIllegal- I guess that depends on what and whos definitions you go by. Immoral – absolutely. Did Afganistan invade the US? What is our mission in Afaganistan?
Comment by mparker #13
m,
If you ask me (and you didn’t)…
…there are bushites on that jury who are…
…looking for ways to either exonerate this guilty sombich altogether, OR…
…hang the jury and have a mistrial declared…
…EVERYONE knows how STUPID and underhanded the Repulsivescum Bush worshippers are…
March 5th, 2007 at 10:02 am23.
Consider that the guy we went into Afghanistan to get, Osama Bin Laden,(remember him,a tall guy Bush doesn’t think about much anymore) is actually in Pakistan and supported by Saudi Arabia.
What legal or moral reason do we have to be occupying Afghanistan today?
Protecting poppy fields?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:04 amHey Dale,
How is cutting funding for VA hospitals and creating hell-holes like Walter Reed supporting the troops?
Talk (and catch phrases) are cheap.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:04 am# What is that something? Killing civilians because we don’t know who is who? Come on, you can do better than that. Our administration doesn’t even know what to do. That is why we have been over there so long with nothing accomplished. Please.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:05 amOur resident trolls would interpret 47 million uninsured Americans as “market forcesâ€.
Why do the trolls Hate America?
Comment by RUCerious — March 5, 2007 @ 9:52 am
RUCerious, blame illegal immigrants for this issue.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:05 am#26 Can you also admit that some of those good men just might be Afgani?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:07 amRUCerious, blame illegal immigrants for this issue.
Comment by Daryll — March 5, 2007 @ 10:05 am
Huh?!?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:08 amAll life is important…It matters, every person on the planet should matter to every other person……The fact’s of these war’s are as ugly as the people that started them…..If indeed BenLaden was responsible why are we killing our’s and their’s and not looking for those responsible……The war on terra (bush’s) word,,,is foolish and deadly, much like going after a misquito with an ak47….Blessings
March 5th, 2007 at 10:10 am#26 Can you also admit that some of those good men just might be Afgani?
Comment by Bluedahlia
Yes, they are the Afghani’s that wish to rid their nation of the Taliban and Al Queda and govern themselves without fear.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:13 amDaryll… hey man, how’s they hangin?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:15 amSay, was that you in Indiana last week trying to cash the $50,000 check from god?
Daryll, you’re back – and as dumb as ever I see. We were worried maybe you’d been raptured.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:19 amAccording to the U.S. Climate Action Report, the Bush administration “estimates that emissions by the United States of gases that contribute to global warming will grow nearly as fast through the next decade as they did the previous decade.†Climate change experts “described the projected emissions as unacceptable given the rising evidence of risks from unabated global warming.â€
What a load of crap! Scientists aren’t buying into this greenhouse gases nonsense any longer. Here are a couple of examples of that—-
In addition, there are explanations of solar activity, planet wobble, volcanic activity under the sea, and don’t forget about the gobal warming on Mars. How do you explain that one?
The sad thing though is that you zealots of the religion of global warming will accept nothing but the man-caused arguments.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:19 amDaryll… hey man, how’s they hangin?
Say, was that you in Indiana last week trying to cash the $50,000 check from god?
Comment by Raven — March 5, 2007 @ 10:15 am
No, I’ve been on my honeymoon (Maui) for the last week and a half. Second, there’s a difference between receiving a blessing and forcing a blessing.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:21 am“I’m a Marine,†Pace reportedly said. “and Marines don’t talk about failure.†“Plan B was to make Plan A work,†Gov. Phil Bredesen (D-TN) recalled Pace telling the group.
Ok Gen Pace, don’t talk about failure. How about a little reality?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:22 amHey Daryll,
Congrats on the wedding. Keeping Mrs Daryll happy?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:23 am36.
The Afghani people do not govern themselves under a US militairy occupation and they have enough fear and hatred of US forces by now to want us out or dead.
Your reason for staying is what?
Blue fingers.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:25 am# 36
March 5th, 2007 at 10:25 amTrying to follow your line of illogic : 1) Ok, let’s play Where’s Waldo (Osama bin Laden) . 2)How many other countries are “deserving” of the US to come police them and take all the bad guys out of their country and free their people from oppression?
Great posts, Bluedahlia. :)
March 5th, 2007 at 10:28 amHey Daryll,
Congrats on the wedding. Keeping Mrs Daryll happy?
Comment by Zooey
And that is the 6 million dollar question. We can guess that Daryll is “rapturous” since his nupials. ;-)
March 5th, 2007 at 10:29 amSecond, there’s a difference between receiving a blessing and forcing a blessing. Comment by Daryll
And accomodating religious beliefs into government policy is trying to force the blessing of faith and discipleship. So, we won’t hear any more attacks on the separation of church and state from you now, shall we?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:29 am#45 Thanks Zooey :-)
March 5th, 2007 at 10:30 amHey Daryll,
Congrats on the wedding. Keeping Mrs Daryll happy?
Comment by Zooey — March 5, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Of course I will, she’s my backbone.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:34 amAgain, you would rather we were not there and HOPE that nothing happened again in the U.S. You would rather NEGOTIATE, instead of take action. That is a common position of those that have nothing on the line. If we are nice to the bad guys, maybe they will stop being bad.
I am sorry, HOPE is not a plan. If you do not confront evil, it grows. You have to hunt it down.
It is better to eradicate the scum (Taliban and Al Qaeda) at the source so the cancer does not spread.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:35 amAnd accomodating religious beliefs into government policy is trying to force the blessing of faith and discipleship. So, we won’t hear any more attacks on the separation of church and state from you now, shall we?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — March 5, 2007 @ 10:29 am
I will continue to be a witness for Jesus. Sure, Satan doesn’t want to hear God’s word, but I’m here to let you all know that you need to change your lives and live according to the Bible.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:36 amOf course I will, she’s my backbone.
Comment by Daryll
I’m hoping you ARE keeping her happy, and surely she must be more of your heart than your backbone?
March 5th, 2007 at 10:37 am#50 Man, true colors show. I don’t even have to answer that one. You spoke it all.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:40 amI’m here to let you all know that you need to change your lives and live according to the Bible.
Comment by Daryll
That’s a bit inconsistent of you, Daryll.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:43 amHave a good day all you wonderful posters at TP, I have a test to study for and class to go to. Have fun with the trolls. :-D
March 5th, 2007 at 10:44 amDaryll ~ We went to the Buddhist festival yesterday, the first full moon after Tet (New Year) It was quite the religious experience.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:46 amBest to you and your new bride!
“2/3 of uninsured with at least one full-time worker” - Who was the ill-informed “troll” last week who was mentioning how well our health care system if working??? Let’s dig him out of his hovel and throw these stats in his face.
This is deplorable and is further illustrative of just how badly damaged this country currently is. It’s rapidly descending into the status of a third-world country…..no health care (except to the illegal aliens who pay nothing and clog up our ER’s)…..(and don’t play a penny of tax!)….the job market is an abomination with wages slightly higher than that earned at a neighborhood kool-aid stand by a 5 year old…..we’ve shafted the victims of the Katrina strategy after Bush stood on Jackson Square and uttered more lies and deceit about what he planned to “DO” for them….just as he’s fed more BS to the public about the tornado victims (hah! who believes a liar?)…..we’re screwing our veterans by treating them like cattle in deplorable conditions like Walter Reed….and now we find (what a surprise) that our military cannot assist us in an emergency situation in this country and certainly does not have the heft to even function as a valid military in the case of war on another front. What the hell is happening here?
Where is our government? Where is our Congress in all of this? I’d never be a Rethug but the Dems seem to be so overwhelmed (or complicit themselves) in this high level of corruption and accountability for these actions that they are spinning their wheels…
The patience of the american people is waning….and their “mandate” at the polls is not being heard loudly enough by this congress. It’s been two months (61 days) which leaves only 39 days left to Pelosi & Co. to “put the pedal to the metal” and get something worthwhile done. Otherwise, the election of 08 may yield yet another political party choice to the voting american – and it probably couldn’t occur at a more opportune time!
March 5th, 2007 at 10:48 amBluedahlia,
Good luck on the test!
March 5th, 2007 at 10:50 am#51 Edmund Burke
I am sorry, HOPE is not a plan. If you do not confront evil, it grows. You have to hunt it down.
It is better to eradicate the scum (Taliban and Al Qaeda) at the source so the cancer does not spread.
That’s right. You’ve got to confront those evil civilians wherever you find them. In the market, in their homes, driving in cars, celebrating a wedding, anyplace that those nasty civilians congregate, they must be eradicated.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:56 amshe’s my backbone.
Comment by Daryll
According to your fairy book, she is your rib.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:56 amDaryll
You didn’t really answer my question in #48, but then I did not expect a direct answer.
And, seriously, congratulations on your wedding. Being able to commit yourself to the one you love is cause for celebration. Blessings to your marriage.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:57 amComment by Dale
By demanding that my elected representatives bring them home.
March 5th, 2007 at 10:58 amI am sorry, HOPE is not a plan. If you do not confront evil, it grows. You have to hunt it down.
It is better to eradicate the scum (Taliban and Al Qaeda) at the source so the cancer does not spread.
Comment by Edmund Burke
Just tell us when you stop making the Rambo impression, so we can advance into a fruitful discussion.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:02 amHey Burke.
The only one here running on “hope” is you.
The reality is that we are in Afghanistan and Iraq and have been “hoping” we’re not attacked here at home.
It will take a while before the 911 Comission recommendations are fully implemented after being ignored for YEARS by BUSH Republicans. Even implemented, terrorism is not a tactic that can EVER be prevented entirely. Lower priority, less defended targets are always available to a person who would employ such methods.
It took Democrats a day to actually DO something about implementing these reasonable protections.
And if it were true that invasion and prolonged occupation of any nation where a terrorist can be found is better somehow at killing them, then why does every estimate by our military and all 16 of our inttelligence agencies agree that we are making far more terrorists then we are dispatching?
Your right, “hope” is not a plan.
Going to war and hoping everthing goes according to the rosy picture you were promised while ignoring the reality of the growing disaster IS a plan for FAILURE.
Mission Accomplished.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:10 amAccording to your fairy book, she is your rib.
Comment by Juan C
Heh. :-D
March 5th, 2007 at 11:12 amI am fortunate enough to have good insurance. So far this year I have had $20,000 in billed medical costs, with my Out of pocket being about $1,800. Without insurance I would be absolutely screwed. That’s $20,000 in costs for testing to investigate a problem that turned out to be nothing. I can only imagine what it would be if I were not healthy. Just seeing the bills I got makes me cringe more and more when the republicans talk about their plans to end employer sponsored health insurance by removing the deduction.
And before the trolls say not so, yes it is true, just read a little bit and their own words will tell you that it is true. It’s a three pronged attack on health insurance. 1st prong MSA’s, allowing a fictional 401-K type account to exist. I say fictional because most people use theirs up paying employee portion of the insurance and their out of pocket expenses, so it carries a yearly $0 balance. Prong 2 is what the president has recently proposed and that is the tax deduction/credit for health insurance you purchase yourself. So with these two items they have in place what they consider the incentive for people to purchase their own insurance. The final prong is their desire to end the deduction for employer sponsored health insurance. I can easily imagine employers dropping coverage pretty quickly if this one took effect. Talk about impending health care crisis. I’m not sure if this is targeted at the middle class because the right seems to hold the middle class in contempt, or if the whole strategy is aimed at breaking Unions just a little more. Perhaps it is simply a matter of employers having that additional profit which would increase tax revenues because the program is not revenue neutral as they claim, or if it is simply aimed at increasing profits and dividends etc… What ever their reasons, the overall wellbeing of America is not in their picture.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:12 amZoo, how are you? Hows school?
March 5th, 2007 at 11:13 amAnd accomodating religious beliefs into government policy is trying to force the blessing of faith and discipleship. So, we won’t hear any more attacks on the separation of church and state from you now, shall we?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — March 5, 2007 @ 10:29 am
I’m not forcing the word on you. I’m being a witness for God, and I’m informing you what thus saith the Lord. I care about your souls. If our government decided to completely follow the word of God, our society would be better off.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:14 amDale…Are you angry at the Afghan Government for talking about the US troops bombing civillianns? Afterall apparently they don’t hhave the facts in yet. At least according to your sources. I’m assuming that you are waiting for the right wing spin before you even look at the facts that are in so far.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:16 amDaryll, you sound like a Christian Borat.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:16 amshe’s my backbone.
Comment by Daryll
According to your fairy book, she is your rib.
Comment by Juan C — March 5, 2007 @ 10:56 am
True, the word does say the Eve was created from Adams rib, but I used the term backbone because she protects me spiritually, emotionally, financially, etc. I do the same for for her (vice-versa).
March 5th, 2007 at 11:19 amDaryll,
The problem is that you don’t see your beliefs as it is.
A belief system.
You see it as absolute.
You are entitled to your beliefs and everyone else is entitled to theirs. If you are correct, let God sort it out.
This is the flaw with your thinking. You fail to understand that it is a belief system that you hold in your own mind, nothing more.
I told the fundies on the street passing out pamphlets that they are entitled to thier belief system. They actually paused and thought about it for a second.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:22 amRemember the rib joint “Adam’s Rib”?
March 5th, 2007 at 11:23 amIf our government decided to completely follow the word of God, our society would be better off.
Comment by Daryll
Yes all that stoning people to death would really bring the heathens around. Especially if they committed adultery or spoke bad aboout their parents.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:24 amIf our government decided to completely follow the word of God, our society would be better off.
Comment by Daryll
It would certainly make waging war easier.
Leviticus 18, 19, and 20 lists all the sexual offenses, but there is one way to have a sexual encounter and escape the death penalty, and that is to sleep with slave girls.
Levitcus 19:20 “If a man has sex with a slave girl he is not to be punished. She is a slave.”
You can also commit sexual hanky panky, and still be in obedience to God’s Word in the Bible, provided that, in addition to raping slaves, you also rape enemy women. When you are through abusing and raping them then you can just send them packing. (No really. Its Kosher. Its in the Bible!)
“When you go to war against your enemies and you see a beautiful woman and find her desirable, you may take her. If she ceases to please you send her away.” Deut. 21:10
In another passage, the Bible makes clear that when committing rape during war time, it is important to only rape virgins, and to kill the rest of the women, and the little boys as well. However, this is God’s Word, so naturally fairness and justice are emphasized in the following passage, which once again allows some sexual hanky panky.
“They waged war as god had commanded them and killed every male. But they kept the women as captives and took their wealth as spoil. Moses was enraged. ‘So you spared the women? Kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse and kill every little boy, but keep the virgin girls for yourself. Divide them up evenly.’” Num. 31:7, 14
March 5th, 2007 at 11:25 amZoo, how are you? Hows school?
Comment by Juan C
I’m doing ok. School is going well. Big test on Wednesday, and I should be studying. :)
Check my facebook page for a picture of Zoo Jr. You should put your nice picture on your page. :)
March 5th, 2007 at 11:25 amIf our government decided to completely follow the word of God, our society would be better off.
Comment by Daryll
Here is where your theology is out of whack. Only individuals, with free will, can “follow the word of God” – not an agency, a society, a nation, or any other group. Besides, what the “word of God” is is very open to debate and interpretation, as witnessed by the divisions within the “church” itself, to say nothing of the questions by non-believers.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:30 am#73 – I told the fundies on the street passing out pamphlets that they are entitled to thier belief system. They actually paused and thought about it for a second.
Comment by ForTruth
They didn’t yell at you to get in church? :}
Great post, Truth.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:32 amThere are two competing creations stories in the bible. In the first man and woman are created at the same time. In the second eve is created from adam’s rib. Mant chose to believe the second story because it puts women in a subservient position to men.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:33 amIt’s all about what people chose to believe in. They want to believe the stronger sex came fromt the guy’s rib, obviously they need to believe that. (We won’t tell them that all fetuses start out with estrogen, and the testosterone in male fetuses starts off as estrogen. Shhh…)
March 5th, 2007 at 11:41 amPoor Daryll, he also wants to fight the infidel arabs who have the same fundie mindset as he does. He can’t see that he’s the mirror image of the Islamic radicals. Wow.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:51 amYes all that stoning people to death would really bring the heathens around. Especially if they committed adultery or spoke bad aboout their parents.
Comment by dlet — March 5, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Hey, I wish adultery and being unruly toward your parents were considered punishable offenses. You have to many people breaking both biblical laws.
March 5th, 2007 at 11:53 amFT ~
March 5th, 2007 at 11:53 amAaaaaahhhhhhhhhh~!
(runs screaming from the building!)
Plan B = Hmmmmm… Where’d plan X go? Somebody go back and get a shitload o’ dimes!
March 5th, 2007 at 11:54 amI hope we don’t go to universal health care as we have good insurance. we were on an insurance that we were paying over a $1,000 a month. My husband got a differnet job and we have there insurance. It is in Madison WI. They need to leave the ones that have good insurance alone.
March 5th, 2007 at 12:05 pmMary Poplins
The differences in costs for insurance are based on the pool of insurees. If you are an individual or a small group, private insurance companies charge you higher premiums. If you are part of a group with a high number of people who have chronic conditions requiring treatment (cancer, for example) your rates are higher. Universal health care would pool everyone together, making the costs spread over more people and, thus, at least in theory, reduce the premiums.
March 5th, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by klyde — March 5, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Actually, my wife would say that you never get anything right on the first try.
March 5th, 2007 at 12:30 pmA note to BnF, sorry off topic…….I see some of our work is getting result’s…..Blessings
March 5th, 2007 at 12:39 pm#51, Edmund Burke
Complete straw man.
I have yet to hear anyone here advocate relying on mere hope. Negotiations, perhaps, but I would advocate negotiations with war-torn nations that produce terrorists, not terrorists themselves.
This whole cowboy routine has gotten us in this mess. We need to keep asking why the focus was taken off Afghanistan in the first place and moved to Iraq, which was not a terrorist training camp before the coalition invaded.
Moreover, how do you want to use that gun, cowboy? Hundreds of thousands of civilians have paid for this orgy of warmaking with their lives, and there’s no victory in sight. How can we say that we fight to save lives, when we seem to be killing more noncombatants than enemy soldiers? How long does this have to go on before everyone wakes up to the fact that the Cowboy Way is not working?!
I just read the WaPo article “No U.S. Backup Strategy For Iraq”. Everybody seems to have a strategy, but a no one a dam*ed clue if any of them will accomplish anything. In light of the abysmal failure of military intervention, why don’t we listen to the terrorism experts who have been advocating policing solutions? It can’t go any worse than things already are.
BTW: just read Kofi Annan’saddress to the International Summit on Democracy, Terrorism and Security. His outline covers both proactive and reactive strategies. I think this is the way we should be headed.
March 5th, 2007 at 1:37 pmAccording to the U.S. Climate Action Report, the Bush administration “estimates that emissions by the United States of gases that contribute to global warming will grow nearly as fast through the next decade as they did the previous decade.†Climate change experts “described the projected emissions as unacceptable given the rising evidence of risks from unabated global warming.â€
Well duh. We’re continuing to build coal power plants. We’ll have hundreds more in the years ahead. From CO2 emissions to radioactivity released into the air, coal plants have a little something for everybody. Unless we start building more nuclear power plants, we cannot get off this path.
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March 5th, 2007 at 2:00 pmUnless we start building more nuclear power plants, we cannot get off this path. Comment by muckdog — March 5, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
How long have you been employed by the Nuclear industry? Because your conclusion that nuclear is the *only* way off the path is ignorant and st*pid.
March 5th, 2007 at 2:13 pmHow about this? How about 47 million people get off of their welfarian asses, get a job and then buy some health insurance like everyone else. Do liberals have something against work? Why should I bear the brunt of someone else’s insurance? This social medicine you liberals are trying to implement is a very bad idea.
I don’t see anyone involuntarily volunteering to foot the bill for my health insurance. You know, goodwill only goes so far, and I am at the end of my rope with these government handouts to folks that are crippling not only them, but generation after generation. One generation get’s welfare, the kids are used to this welfare lifestyle, it is all they know.
After a couple of generations of this they seem to think it is their birthright to be given welfare and not go to work.
Welfare was intended to help on a short term basis in time of need. Not a generational thing covering like 40 years, all the same family.
If these clowns want health insurance, I suggest they go out and earn it like any other red blooded American has to do.
We need to take back our country. Starting with welfarians.
March 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pmYou know, goodwill only goes so far, and I am at the end of my rope with these government handouts to folks that are crippling not only them, but generation after generation. One generation get’s welfare, the kids are used to this welfare lifestyle, it is all they know.
We need to take back our country. Starting with welfarians.
Comment by corpus christi texas
Now we all know how you feel about welfare but could you please explain your opinion on corporate subsidies and corporate welfare?
March 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pmUnable to afford health insurance thanks to CHIMPya and Bushland Uber Allies FAVOURING THE RICH OVER the Middle Class and the Poor!!!!!
March 5th, 2007 at 2:38 pmBring that JERK-OFF Kiley before the hearing and GRILL that MISERABLE CREEP’S ASS!!!!!
Yes, TRIPLER here in Hawaii is ALSO FULL OF MOLD, MILDEW, SEPTIC BACTERIA, RATS and VERMIN! THEY SHOULD MAKE THOSE PIECES OF HYENA-SHIT Nicholson and Kiley CLEAN UP ALL THE MILITARY AND VA HOSPITALS WITH THEIR LYING, FLAPPING TONGUES!!!!!
ESPECIALLY THE FOUL POISON GAS THAT EMANATES FROM CHIMPya’s ANUS AND MOUTH–BOTH INTERCHANGEABLE!!!!!
Ah Yes, WHOLESALE SLAUGHTER–THAT’S THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE SURE THAT ALL TERRORISTS HAVE BEEN QUELLED–WHAT REMARKABLE FORESIGHT AND THOUGHFUL ACTION(sarcasm)!!!!!
What Pace MEANT to say was “as a TOADY and ASS-KISSING Marine to Bushland Uber Allies and CHIMPya’s bottom, I cannot talk about OUR FAILURE because that would mean that I would be DEMOTED and my STELLAR CAREER WOULD GO DOWN THE CRAPPER!”
Iraq’s Interior Ministry has HIRED Donald Trump to HELP in the WHOLESALE FIRINGS!!!!!
In answering the jurors’ question, the Bushland Uber Allies GOVERNMENT is NOT HUMAN, namely INHUMAN to BEGIN WITH, so it is not “humanly” possible for them!!!!!
Mueller should also read “How to Win Friends and Influence People” by
Dale Carnegie and “What Color Is Your Parachute?” by Richard Nelson Bolles, WHICH Mueller WILL BE NEEDING WHEN HE GETS BOOTED OUT ON HIS ASS FOR THE F*CKING LOUSY JOB HE HAS BEEN DOING!!!!!
So our Health care system works for 85% of America. The other 15% want insurance but can’t get it which is horrible. Luckily, we still provide them all care today and it costs the tax payer $100 billion each year.
It is time that we demand our Dem leaders stop with the pork earmarks and use that money for the 15%. They spend way more then $100 billion a year on pork, why not take that money and help the poor that need it?
It would provide even better care then they get right now, and would mean no American is without Insurance. This is a win win and wouldn’t even create a new tax. Who is with me?
March 5th, 2007 at 2:43 pmComment by dlet #94
dlet,
dumb a*s al Crackkker corpus christi texas…
…”don’t even know what you’re talkin’ ’bout”…
…corporate welfare and farm/corporate subsidies…
…ain’t even in his extensive catalogue of public policy knowledge…
March 5th, 2007 at 2:59 pmWe need to take back our country. Starting with welfarians.
Comment by corpus christi texas
Sorry you’re so hateful, there CCTX, chill.
How about this, I’m unemployed but I pay for student health. Is that ok?
I so desperately need your approval….
March 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pmR2Dumbtoo thinks that because many Americans are paying more for insurance than they can afford, having less to spend on food, that the system “works”.
March 5th, 2007 at 3:03 pmSure hope R2 never loses his job.
The deserving one get’s post 100
March 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pm#99 Would you rather have cheap health coverage? That includes a mdeical field that doesn’t spend much on research and developement. It also includes fantastic extras.
For instance, Dr. Kevin Fleming of the Mayo Clinic did an analysis of the Canadian government-run health care plan and found that on average there is a 17-week wait for referrals to specialists, nearly 60 percent of the diagnostic equipment, i.e. C.A.T. Scans, MRI equipment, etc. is outdated and many of the high tech diagnostic equipment taken for granted in U.S. hospitals is not even available. He also found cases of 18-month waits for bypass surgery.
Afterall, you certainly don’t see American’s flocking to India, Canada, or England for Health Care but you see them coming over all the time. I live in Minnesota so we constantly see foreigners coming to the Mayo Clinic.
March 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pm#93 Ultimately we all fund each others health insurance. My company picks up 80% of my cost. That 80% is passed along to consumers. That 80% also gets them a tax deduction so they ultimately end up paying 52% after federal tax effects. When I pay my bills I am paying for indigents who can not afford health insurance. I am paying for those who do not or can not pay their medical bills. I also pay 1.45% of my wages for Medicare, as does my employer. etc… In years where I pay insurance all along and have maybe a couple of dental trips and an annual physical I am paying for others as my insurance subsidizes others who do use insurance. So the whole notion of paying your own way just does not exist. If we went to a pay your own way 100% of the time system our life expectancy would drop dramatically.
Those who complain about national healthcare only seem to think of a) themselves and B) others free-loading off of them. Remember this your side is the side that says they have Christian values, also remember that Christ said whatever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me. Christ also did not care why people were in need, just that they were in need. Your attitude of everyman for himself is very un-Christian like. But mostly you are again raising a straw man argument. Suppose, and there are a lot of people in this boat, they just can not afford health insurance. How about people working two or three jobs where none of them provide insurance and all of their money is going towards food and shelter? How about a friend of mine who runs his own construction business, he makes enough to live on, but can not afford health insurance. He works 50 – 60 hours a week. Is he lazy? There are far more people like I described here, than there are lazy wolframs as you describe them. or how about those veterans who are getting sub standard care? They really can not afford to go out and get better care and they are not allowed to without approval.
Roger Roger, are you referring to the pork that ran out of fucking control during the republican reign in congress? I’m all for that.
However think about this. I pay my portion of the insurance, I pay out of pocket, I pay Medicare My company pays a portion of my insurance, they pay a portion of Medicare etc… I think if national health care went into effect annd they used all of these fund sources, the net effect to me would be close to $0.
March 5th, 2007 at 4:31 pmI live in Minnesota so we constantly see foreigners coming to the Mayo Clinic.
Comment by Roger_Roger
I’d rather all Americans have equal access to medical care. Silly me.
OMG, the Mayo Clinic! Yeah, no Americans ever go there for their specialized care. Oh heavens, foreigners appreciate their expertise, too.
Please….
March 5th, 2007 at 7:33 pm…and somewhere in the world tonight, George W. Bush is smirking.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:28 pm#103 I am referring to the pork that ran out of control under the repugs rule. It is probably the main reason that I am turned off by them as they had larger Fed budgets then anyone ever and there pork spending was out of control. Again, the repugs are heartless bastards so you can’t expect them to use that money to help those without healthcare right? Now the Dems on the other hand are supposed to care about the poor. You yourself are referring to the repugs in very harsh terms and most here seem to agree that the pork the repugs spent was flat wrong.
Is it wrong this budget cycle if the Dems spend untold billions on pork? I would say they are also just as wrong as the repugs. Furthermore, the Dem side is the one screaming about the uninsured. Last year it cost us roughyl $100 billion to get health coverage to the uninsured. Why not take the money the Dems are planning to waste on pork and simply use it for the uninsured? They will spend way more then $100 billion on pork so why not just shift it over? Are you cool with that idea or are you here to rip on the stupidity of repugs that aren’t in control anymore? We can agree that the repugs spending habits was horrible and they pissed away alot of money. Is this crowd going to let the Dems do them same thing?
Are you going to support and back them when they do even while we have uninsured Americans that could have got all the coverage they would need with the waste of congress? There are times to simply defend the party and times when you simply can’t. I can’t support the repugs spending and I hope this crowd won’t support the Dems if they waste money on pork instead of give it to the needy.
March 5th, 2007 at 9:53 pm#103 Oh and the government forcably taking your money away and giving to another group of people is not a christian thing at all. Giving to the poor through Charities on the other hand is. Repugs actually donate more then Dems to charities every year.
I am not against taxes per say, but I am against taxes that don’t make sense. YOur big speech was nice, but “giving” through taxes has problems. Did you know that the current social programs cost so much right now that the government needs to add $6,700 to each and every households taxes just to break even? How can we afford Universal Health care when we can’t pay for what we have?
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