BREAKING: Libby Guilty On Four Of Five Counts
Scooter Libby has been found guilty on four out of five counts:
Count 1 - Obstruction of Justice: Libby intentionally deceived the grand jury about how he learned, and “disclosed to the media,” information about Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment by the CIA.
Count 2 - Making a False Statement: Libby intentionally gave FBI agents false information about a conversation he had with NBC’s Tim Russert regarding Valerie Plame Wilson, who is married to Joseph Wilson.
Count 4 - Perjury: Libby knowingly provided false testimony in court about a conversation he had with Russert.
Count 5 - Perjury: Libby knowingly provided false testimony in court about his conversation with reporters regarding Valerie Plame Wilson’s CIA employment.
Libby was found not guilty on count 3, a charge that he gave false statements to the FBI about his conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper.
UPDATE: Fox News reports from inside the courtroom: “Scooter Libby had a rather sad, resigned smile on his face. The kind of smile you get from resignation, not happiness, obviously.”
UPDATE II: Washington Post: “Under federal sentencing guidelines, Libby faces a probable prison term of 1 1/2 to three years when he is sentenced by U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton. … As the jury forewoman read each guilty count in a clear, solemn voice, Libby was impassive, remaining seated at the defense table, gazing straight ahead and displaying no visible emotion.”
UPDATE III: Fox news legal analyst Andrew Napolitano spins the verdict for the defense, arguing that there is a basis for Libby’s defense counsel to say the jury “misunderstood the nature of the charges” and was “hopelessly confused.” Watch it:
UPDATE IV: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) calls on President Bush to pledge not to pardon Libby:
I welcome the jury’s verdict. It’s about time someone in the Bush Administration has been held accountable for the campaign to manipulate intelligence and discredit war critics. Lewis Libby has been convicted of perjury, but his trial revealed deeper truths about Vice President Cheney’s role in this sordid affair. Now President Bush must pledge not to pardon Libby for his criminal conduct.
UPDATE V: Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) says the problem is not just Libby.
Today’s guilty verdicts are not solely about the acts of one individual. This trial provided a troubling picture of the inner workings of the Bush Administration. The testimony unmistakably revealed — at the highest levels of the Bush Administration — a callous disregard in handling sensitive national security information and a disposition to smear critics of the war in Iraq.
When is Tom Delay’s trial?
March 6th, 2007 at 11:59 amTime to rat out the rest Scooty. You can do it.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:00 pmWow - there is a God and I think he’s got his EYE on the Repugs now!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:00 pmLet the Pardons begin!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:00 pmBuckle up, Dickhead, you’re next buddy!!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pmVictory!
But Bush pardon him, I’m sure.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pmWhen is Bush’s 1st comments coming? This is no longer an ‘ongoing investigation’.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pmWonder how them Aspens are doing now.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pmI think a pardon should lead to impeachment.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pmPardon? ;)
March 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWhen is the Trial of Cheney & Bush?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWOO-HOO…! it’s FITZMAS…!
And, yes, I DO take it personally
March 6th, 2007 at 12:04 pmBush will pardon him on his last day in office, which is why we need to impeach. So, his last day comes much sooner and he can’t pardon anybody else involved.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:04 pmLegal analyst Dan Abrams of MSNBC News believes Libby will probably not be in jail for more than a year. He may do less if Bush decides to grant him a pardon.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:05 pmInteresting…20 minutes and zero trolls.
Amazing, what a guilty verdict will do…
March 6th, 2007 at 12:05 pmIf Bush pardons, he could be riding that Scooter down hill to an approval rating of about 10%.
Now, let the investigation continue. Don’t forget, this trial was about the obstruction of an investigation into the leak of an undercover CIA agent’s identity. It was not the end of that investigation.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:05 pmBombs, clots,and verdicts…..oh my. Suck it cheney.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:06 pmBush better not let this solider in the War on Terror hang dry. Pardon him for this politically tainted conviction. I’m sorry, the Bush administration is not the Clinton administration, they don’t commit crimes.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:06 pmIf there’s a pardon, I think it would lead to a revolt. And I have dibs on “apprehending” Cheney.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:07 pmAfter the verdict was read, Libby was overheard saying, “Pardon me?”
March 6th, 2007 at 12:08 pmc’mon irving time to roll on some folks.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pmNow Cheney will resign for health reasons and retire to South America
March 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMeans nothing unless VP Cheney is indicted and impeached!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pm#15, bingo. Now we have Cheney’s role in outing a CIA agent in sworn testimony. This thing is not over.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pmFirehead,
You’ve gone cold.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:10 pmfirehead sez:
Still have yet to hear from the trolls on this one (sorry, firehead, but parody trolls such as yourself don’t count).
March 6th, 2007 at 12:10 pmI’m sorry, the Bush administration is not the Clinton administration, they don’t commit crimes.
Comment by firehead
Every day another comedy gem
March 6th, 2007 at 12:11 pmDon’t you mean let the investigation get started, now that Fitzy isn’t being obstructed?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:11 pmAAAAaaaaaaa ha ah ah aha hahahaha ha h aha ha ha ha hah ah ah ah ahahahahahhaha aha ha ah ahahahahah.
I just blew coffee out my nose that was so funny.
Better trolls please.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:13 pmIs Fitzgerald still a US Attorney in Chicago or was he appointed an Independent Prosecutor? Because if the former, you know the DOJ will be gunning for him now!!!!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmYes I was wondering if Cheney’s recent spate with “health issues” is a lead-up to his resignation.
I would expect Cheney to bail out well before things even get warm in his direction.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI summon Seixon for better troll-quality.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmOh, the sentencing process should be the REAL hoot. Scooter will probably be given the opportunity to sing the “praises” of Rove and Cheney with his payment being a major reduction in jail time. “I fought the law and the law one” vs “Jailhouse rock”. Bring it on!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pmNo matter how much troll de-railing there is here,
LIBBY IS STILL GUILTY.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pmHow does that Bitch Slap of reality feel Water carriers?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pmBe patient for the troll entertainment. Their handwringing disrupts the typing.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmQuick, Blofeld Cheney is escaping in a helicopter for his private tropical island paradise.
Go get him Fitz. Book ‘em Danno.
-GSD
March 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“Scooter Libby had a rather sad, resigned smile on his face. The kind of smile you get from resignation, not happiness, obviously.â€
Awwwwww. So is he sad that he lied and deceived or that he got caught and brought to justice. My guess he’s sad he got caught so no pity from me. Hope this adds a few wrinkles to that forehead.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmDoes this mean Cheney is in his last throes?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmOh thank God, I was so scared he’d get off.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmDon’t you mean let the investigation get started, now that Fitzy isn’t being obstructed?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Technically, no, because the obstruction and lying came during the investigation, albeit very, very early. But, practically, yes you are correct that the investigation never really got out of the station. Nonetheless, you and I are in agreement - let’s get the justice party started.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:18 pmScooter Libby: Just another criminal member of the Bush White House.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:19 pmwonderful! there is justice afterall!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:19 pmhahahAHAhahah. ah Libby’s wife was crying.. hahahaha. dumb c#nt … cry b!tch cry.. your war criminal husband actions has brough tears to the eyes of hundreds of thousands
March 6th, 2007 at 12:20 pmAny volunteers to be Cheney’s attorney? Flak jacket required.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:21 pmUnder federal sentencing guidelines, Libby faces a probable prison term of 1 1/2 to three years
Wow 1.5 years for lying in federal court and impeding a federal investigation. Someone should have slipped a couple of joints in his pocket then he would serve some real time. I mean puffing a joint is so much worse than this.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:21 pmBush has an emergency refuge in Paraguay. His father purchased a 100,000 acre ranch guarded by 10,000 American special forces troops. His daughters are already living down there now. Cheney would probably flee to the UAE where he has millions stashed in bank accounts.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pmBush better not let this solider in the War on Terror hang dry.
Hon, the soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Libby is a criminal. Big difference. Huge.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pmHe got Sh*t for a possible prison term. He’ll go to some low security facility and will be taken care of. At least he’s not at Walter Reed!
All this time and money, and he’ll be out before Bush. Take that and shove it you libs!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pmSpudge - you’ve got to remember that fireant is the same wingnut who doesn’t realize the Colbert Report exists to make fun of HIM (oops, maybe I shouldn’t have said that. If his bubble bursts, it might endanger his family or coworkers)
March 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pmFox news legal analyst Andrew Napolitano spins the verdict for the defense, arguing that there is a basis for Libby’s defense counsel to say the jury “misunderstood the nature of the charges†and was “hopelessly confused.†Watch it:
He meant to say: “We are hopeless at getting the public to misunderstand the truth, and we can no longer confuse the issues”
March 6th, 2007 at 12:23 pmBringv on the Cigvil suit. Pardon may or not come. Crush him finacially. Ruin his life and make him pay millions.
VICTORY
March 6th, 2007 at 12:23 pmscooter will be ratting out dick here in the next few months. this verdict is more important to dick than scooter. it just shows how scooter was dicks little lost puppy.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:24 pmRedneck,
It’s an idealogical victory, and a victory of principle. Scooty and the rest, including you, have been embarrassed and ashamed. The general public only will hear that VP Cheney’s man is guilty of someing connected to outing a CIA officer. Lots of “Cheney”, “White House”, and “guilty” in the same senteces. Yes.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pm……but than this is going to go all the way to the top. and who sits there…..? well all of gorgys buddies. this is where it will get interesting. and i believe he will get a slap on the wrist when it is all done.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:27 pmSubpeonas, lots and lots of Subpeonas. Next criminal please.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:27 pmLibby’s wife obviously hasn’t seen the little kids in Iraq with holes in their foreheads next to thier dead mothers. I have no sympathy.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:28 pmYou don’t suppose the Administration was eaves dropping on the verdice and that’s why Cheney clotted yesterday.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:28 pmDickhead “Ooooh I think I’m coming down with something when there’s a guilty verdict.”
Just another preemptive strike.
Truth and CONVICTIONS hurt, don’t they Redneck? hahaha
March 6th, 2007 at 12:29 pmFitz on Fox
Fox interview with Fitz just went blank… they can’t take the speaking of truth to power
March 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pmNow Scooter Bush and Cheney all have criminal records.
Do most Americans know Bush Cheney are the first President & VP to enter office with criminal records?
Feces does not fall far from the toilet.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pmHarry Reid sez:
Well said, Harry. Make it clear that Cheney is next in the crosshairs.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:32 pmLibby is free on bail pending appeal. His attorneys will make sure that the appeals process drags on until Bush leaves office and pardons him. Libby won’t spend a single day in jail.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:32 pmRedneck
And Scooter could still face an indictment for actually leaking the name of a covert CIA agent, if he was the culprit. This trial did not address that issue. THAT’S why Scooter needs to start singing like a canary, to avoid further jail time as the fall guy for higher ups.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:32 pmAnd the jury was nice enough to announce a verdict on a Tuesday, instead of a Friday. How nice.
There is a great market in helping GOP criminals avoid “crisis”. Lets start a business.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:33 pm“Fox news legal analyst Andrew Napolitano spins the verdict for the defense, arguing that there is a basis for Libby’s defense counsel to say the jury “misunderstood the nature of the charges†and was “hopelessly confused.â€
LOL Hopelessly confused alright. spin spin spin around we go where we stop nobody knows.
The trolls are just waiting for Rove’s spin orders. Napolitano was speaking out of turn and really meant the he himself is “hopelessly confused”
Real RedNeck, you are funny and don’t even know it. How about all that time and money wasted on Clinton? Take that and shove it up your pickups tailpipe.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:34 pmScooty spending jail time is irrelavant.
He has been stripped of his job, nationally disgraced, embarrassed, and we are one step closer to getting at the real criminals. This also sends a loud and clear message to the corrupted ones.
He’ll be working for a lobby firm soon enough.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:35 pm#49,
He’ll be taken care of alright. I can guarantee it.
And being a veteran, I don’t think that joking about the Walter Reed atrocity is funny. If the dishonoring of American veterans and the horrific mistreatment of America’s wounded soldiers is funny to you, then you’ve got some serious psychological issues and make yourself totally irrelevant.
Party above the country. Politics above your fellow citizens. Loyalty to liars and thieves above the welfare of your wounded soldiers. These are your “values” RRN, but not the rest of us. Enjoy your solitude. With your “values” I would suspect that you are used to it by now.
Good riddance.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:36 pmFirst question asked by Fox:
“What are the next steps for Libby’s Defense Team?” Translation: How do we get him off?
The only ones “hopelessly confused” are the traitors still defending this criminal junta.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pmBe sure to vote in the CNN poll, “Do you agree with the verdict?”
http://www.cnn.com
March 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pmEven Tony Snow is hiding and can’t comment on verdict.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pmROFLMAO
Is anyone keeping track of just how many Bush Administration officials have been convicted of major crimes?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pmWell, what’s the next step for Patrick Fitzgerald?
Is there any doubt that he’d like to now go after Rove and Cheney?
President pardons Libby and then pulls the plug on the Special Prosecutor?
God this feels like Nixon all over again!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pmOkay, now that we’ve gotten through the preliminaries, when is congress going to subpoena Cheney to hearings on the clear and compelling evidence of criminal conspiracy in the Whitehouse?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:45 pmwhy doesn’t reid get down on his knees and promise favors for the president?
such a statement is some of the most pandering BS I have ever heard.
why in the hell wouldn’t he announce impeachment hearings to being immediately?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:49 pmI am sorry, this is one of the most lame statements in history. rather like neville chamberlain perhaps.
Now y’all might have won the battle, but y’all never win the war!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:52 pmAnd for anyone who still blathers the BS about how this case is actually “criminalizing politicsâ€, I offer the following
Valerie Plame’s job was to track and disrupt the transfer of WsMD to rogue regimes, groups and individuals, with Iran the focus of her attempts at the time of her outing
In the course of her efforts, she used a CIA front operation called Brewster Jennings, which meant that she had various dealings with undercover operatives, and double agents in other govts, around the world
So…..
How did outing Plame make this country safer as a result?
How did outing Plame make it easier to recruit the best and the brightest to help keep WsMD out of the hands of rogue regimes, groups and individuals?
When Plame was outed, it was inevitable that her CIA front of Brewster Jennings would be disclosed as well, thereby exposing all those undercover operatives and double agents in other Govts
How did outing Plame, and then Brewster Jennings make it easier to recruit the foreign operatives and double agents needed to keep WsMD out of the hands of rogue regimes, groups and individuals?
How did the Administration’s DELIBERATE outing of Plame increase the trust level between the White House and the CIA’s intelligence analysts?
There’s no way to answer those questions in ways both logical and positive for this Administration
March 6th, 2007 at 12:53 pmJ U S T I C E ~~~!!!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:53 pmNow impeach Cheney, then try him for treason.
I agree, oldtree. Harry is starting to get on my nerves.
Ask yourself always: if the parties were reversed, what would the GOP be doing right now? That’s right. OWNING the situation. Why do our Beltway Dems fail to understand that that is how politics work now?
March 6th, 2007 at 12:54 pmNow y’all might have won the battle, but y’all never win the war!
Comment by Real RedNeck
Hey keep on topic. Go to the Iraq thread if you want to talk about that.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“Now y’all might have won the battle, but y’all never win the war!”
‘Cause everything is a war for you freaks!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:56 pmThis isn’t justice for Plame and her co-worker who were undercover protecting us. Rove and Cheney should be hauled into court next. I call now on congress to investigate this matter. Bring the Bush administration before the congress to anwser question regarding this matter…OUR NATIONAL SECURITY!!!
March 6th, 2007 at 12:56 pmHe’ll be taken care of, all right. I’m betting his health will precipitously degrade before he has a chance to roll over on Bush & Cheney Co.
And you’re right about the trolls. They haven’t been spoon fed their talking point regarding the verdict, so they don’t know how to respond.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:56 pm#
Is anyone keeping track of just how many Bush Administration officials have been convicted of major crimes?
Comment by TonyC — March 6, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
I am wondering the same thing. If anyone finds a blog on this, please let TP know.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#76,
We “all” already won the war. What you haven’t figured out is that you lost the war long ago.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:59 pmSo much for the preliminaries, now to the main event!
Libby will, of course, be pardoned, and I expect Cheney’s resignation due to “(political) health reasons” within six weeks or so. On the other hand, I’ve hoped for Darth Cheney’s resignation before, so I won’t be holding my breath.
Whatever happens now, this is a victory for justice. These people fancy themselves above the law, and this is a welcome rebuke.
My hearty congratulations to the prosecution for their excellent work.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:00 pmRRN finally speaks without forked tongue. The Bush Criminal Cabal HAS declared war on the people of this great nation.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:00 pm#76
Now y’all might have won the battle, but y’all never win the war!
Comment by Real RedNeck — March 6, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
A better summing up of W’s ego-driven crusade into Iraq I have yet to see, and from a righty no less
Good Job Lil’ Trooper
March 6th, 2007 at 1:03 pm#76
I tried to refrain myself from this, but I just didn’t have the self control.
Do you realize how truly un-American your comment is?
This isn’t a conflict of ideology.
This is one of the top people working for the President of the United States who has committed MULTIPLE felonies while performing his duties. He’s guilty of obstructing justice, amongst other things! Go back and try to understand what that really means.
This isn’t a game.
If you cannot trust the office of the President to uphold and enforce the Constitution then let’s simply turn this into an anarchy free for all.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThe White House would need a deli counter for all the people that SHOULD be charged. “NEXT, #666, please…where’s Dick? #666?” We’ll see, though…
“An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.”
March 6th, 2007 at 1:04 pm– Thomas Jefferson
FITZMAS! FITZMAS! not fitzmas¡ FITZMAS! FITZMAS!
March 6th, 2007 at 1:04 pmA possible (but not unlikely) scenario : Cheney resign for “health reasons” but still operate from his Evil Bunker Plotting and Planning behind the scenes. Then the Rethuglicans Install a handsome Senator as VP and groom him over the next 2 years and voila! he becomes a brand name.
Then they have to create another disaster (9/11) but on a much bigger scale. Then this person becomes a household name — we have the next prez.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:10 pmLibby was what they call in the cities, an ‘Admin Assistant’. He wasn’t no big shot in the WH.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:10 pmUS President George W Bush “said that he respected the jury’s verdict. He said he was saddened for Scooter Libby and his family,” said White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.
But he isn’t sad for the corruption of a high level government official or the AMerican people who were misrepresented by him. Just sad for Scooter and his family. How thoughtless and trite. We will see how long he respects the jury’s verdict. I think about as long as it takes to get a nice “Pardon” stamp made up from Staples. Lord knows he couldn’t write it out.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:11 pmIt’s probably going to be all these ‘gas odors’ ya read about in NYC. When the scent less gas is released and countless innocents die, the WH will blame it on Al Qaeda.
Boy you guys are full of conspirit theorys.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:12 pmSo Fox must think that congress was confussed about the Clinton prejury charges!
March 6th, 2007 at 1:14 pm#76. looks like your still talking about the Civil War. Could you remind me what war you are thinking of?
March 6th, 2007 at 1:15 pmLame talking point alert, #92
March 6th, 2007 at 1:15 pmLibby was what they call in the cities, an ‘Admin Assistant’. He wasn’t no big shot in the WH.
Comment by Real RedNeck
You’re funnier than firehead
March 6th, 2007 at 1:15 pm[…] ThinkProgress: Count 1 - Obstruction of Justice: Libby intentionally deceived the grand jury about how he learned, and “disclosed to the media,†information about Valerie Plame Wilson’s employment by the CIA. […]
March 6th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHow the hell did RedNeck get left behind? Oh yeah, No Child Left Behind. Not No Adult Left Behind!
March 6th, 2007 at 1:17 pmSorry, can’t get enough Jefferson today, can’t believe how relevant these are to everything going on today:
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ” (Congress circa 2003)
“Delay is preferable to error. ” (Iraq war)
“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” (Bush presidency, Jan. 2001 - present)
“For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead.” (Libby Investigation)
and finally…
“Every generation needs a new revolution.” (2008 elections)
March 6th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI am confused! As usual. An earlier post about CNN’s announcement indicated that he faced a THIRTY year sentence if convicted on all five counts. The WaPo now claims a THREE year sentence for four counts. That fifth charge must have been a good one. But it was the same as the second charge-lying to the FBI-except it was about Cooper of Time rather that Russert of NBC. If I were Russert I would be raising hell for discrimination. The end is in sight and if I were “Scooter” I would be real concerned about who was doing the sighting of my end. “The Dick” Cheney will be aiming his shotgun while some shotgun inmate will be aiming something else.
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March 6th, 2007 at 1:28 pmI am happy that justice was served. Luckily the crimes didn’t lead to injury or death of Plame. I do think that congress should investigate this matter further. Currently, Reid is just guessing and making assumptions as is Pelosi. I have little doubt that Cheney is involved in some way, but our Leaders in Congress are being brash in saying that without any investigation or proof. Furthermore, it is damn funny listening to this crowds expectations.
Do any of you for a moment honestly think this will lead to Impeachment of Cheney and Bush? If they could somehow prove any of this with factual information that perfectly shows Cheney or Bush knew and instructed Libby to do this, they may have a case to reprimand Cheney or Bush but the crime certainly wouldn’t lead to impeachment.
Reids other charge however would. He is claiming, like many of you, that the administration intentially manipulate intelligence that they provided to congress for their vote on the Iraq war. If any of that was true, that certainly could lead to impeachment. Currently, there is no evidence of that and its scary seeing leaders of Congress publicly acting like this crime happened when they have no clue.
Lastly, Pelosi and Reid must think it is some type fo crime to disagree with critics of a war. The are sadly mistaken as disagreeing and poltically discrediting your opponent is what this country is all about. Free Speech is paramount to this country. While it is very nasty poltics, at the end of the day that is all it is. Both side are famous for doing it on almost every single issue.
Again, they certainly should hold hearings and see if their rhetoric has and true standing. It would serve the country well to finally figure out if congress did in fact get the same intelligence the adminstration did and no crime was truly commited like the American public currently have to believe as we assume everyone inicent until PROVEN guilty. If they find evidence that Bush manipulated evidence, then impeach the bastard.
Of course I don’t understand why they are getting all worked up about it. Afterall, the Dems are now on board and fully supporting the war by working towards voting yes to the current Iraq war money in front of them. Why do they care now why we are there if they are now supporting the war anyways?
March 6th, 2007 at 1:31 pmLibby did a lot of damage. When Plame was outed, everyone associated with the Brewster Jennings cover was outed. This group was responsible for tracking weapons of mass destruction around the world, and may well have foiled a plot to smuggle WMDs into Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Mexico or even the US.
This at best severely damaged CIA covert operations and national security and at worst got some agents killed.
Feel free to argue the trivia of legality but this did severe damage to our safety as a nation and the safety of all the other agents under the Brewster Jennings cover. How any American can defend this is beyond my comprehension.
Libby got off light. He should be hanging from a rope IMO.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:32 pmRogRog - that’s not rain, it’s Dubbie’s pee runnin down your leg, and attacking democrats ain’t gonna dry yer pants, any more than its going to save Dubbie’s punk ass. you sit back, and in 5 or 6 years, then you can bring whatever you got re: democrats - for the meantime, doing what you’re doing just makes you sound like every other semi-literate pill popper in the dittohead brigade.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:49 pmthis is a shallow victory. libby had the on/off switch for cheney’s pacemaker in his pocket and didn’t use it at the trial.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:55 pmThe trail will end at Libby. He’s the firewall to protect the administration. He might get off on the challenge or the appeal, but if he goes to jail there will be no pardon. He’s the fall guy.
The investigation into the leak is over, that’s all we get.
Now watch Fitzgerald get fired in the next prosecutor purge.
Herr Bush and his cronies have all this power because half the American people are morons and GAVE it to him. Like the Trolls on this board, the blissfully Sh*t-headed American Redneck Peasants have flushed this once great country down the toilet. There are very hard times ahead, they will suffer and they DESERVE it.
March 6th, 2007 at 1:58 pmIn the immortal words of Doonseburys Mark (on the conviction of John Mitchell) ‘That’s Guilty, Guilty, Guilty!”
March 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#104 Tom Baker. I am suprised that even you are going to allow the Dems to pull a 180 and now support the Iraq war. Reading your previous posts, I assumed someone like you would be principled. I figured you would be upset seeing your Dems now working to vote YES to the Iraq spending bill. These people campaigned for you vote by telling you they wanted to go to washington to end this war and bring the troops home. Now they vote in support of the war simply because they feel it will net them more seats and more political power. Of all people, how are you cool with this? Honestly.
When the repugs campaigned 2 cycles ago with the promise to reduce government and then went to Washington and created the largest budget ever. You bet I didn’t support them.
If Gore ran for president and promised that he would reduce emissions by 30% in the USA and then proceeded to not touch Global warming, you but I would be upset.
So, how can you brush this off? Are you too just a party loyalist eager for more seats and power?
March 6th, 2007 at 2:06 pmRog - I’m taking a “principled stand” just like the administration. You should try it, too.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pmPOOR Lewis Libby–”SCOOTING” AROUND and SCUTTLING FOR COVER LIKE THE EXPOSED FILTHY COCKROACH HE IS BEFORE HE IS CRUSHED BY THE HEAVY FOOT OF JUSTICE AND RETRIBUTION–YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO ESCAPE MORE JAIL TIME IS TO RAT ON Cheney, Rove and CHIMPya SO THEY TOO SHARE YOUR FATE, Libby–AFTER ALL, THERE IS ENOUGH BLAME TO GO AROUND!!!!!
March 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pm“For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead.†(Libby Investigation)
Comment by drew_ill
I shall add 9/11.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:22 pmNo RR I don’t think this will lead directly to the impeachment of Bush or Cheney. But the more stamina this story has (I’ m betting Fox heavily de-emphasizes it by the end of the day) the more it will contribute to an atmosphere where impeachment becomes a more palatable option.
Also you are glad the crime did not lead to the death of Plame, but we have no idea if any of her contacts have been liquidated. You wonder if she had sources inside Iran who are no longer feeding us info for one reason or another. But lets assume no one has died as a result of this. What if this case lets informants/associates know that at any moment they could be revealed by high ranking US officials for political reasons. Would you continue to work for us? If you did not work for us would you even start knowing that this is a possibility? Heck no.
As to the intentional mis-representation or twisting of intelligence by the administration, it is coming out little by little exactly that they did. Heck last week they admitted that they fudged the Korean intelligence, what do you think of that? Don’t you think it is possible for them to do that multiple times? What they did with Iraq was looked for intelligence that served their purpose. As the Vice president said he wanted to see the intelligence in it’s original unfiltered format. In other words, he did not want the CIA/NSA/State Department/ Pentagon to vet the intelligence. So a crack pot claim easily disproven under normal conditions, such as the yellowcake assertion, or the Atta met in Prague assertion gets the VP’s attention because it fits his needs. Normally this stuff is vetted and only passed on when it is real intelligence about real possibilities, such as “Bin Laden determined to strike in the US” That is where the VP and the administration fixed the intelligence around the policy, they did not let the intelligence agencies work, they in essence broke our intelligence services. Heck the State Department did not agree, and I can’t think of the guys name right now, but he was shocked when Powell made his UN presentation because even then he knew that it was full of crap.
I think you are intentionally mis-representing Pelosi and critics of war critics. It is a crime to lie to congress/the courts/the FBI etc… It is a worse crime (IMHO) when you do it for political purposes. Criticizing Murtha or Pelosi because you do not agree with their stance is no crime and Pelosi ahs ever said it was, unlike the right wing who try to paint the exercise of democracy as treason.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:31 pmTom, the administration takes that stand because someone is on trial. You trying to dodge answering my question is weak. You may not like me or some of my ideals but I at least tell you what I think. So many of you here simply back away and refuse to answer when it is a difficult one. I understand how difficult it must be for you libs. You got all excited to see your Dems in power and both houses for heaven’s sake. Man, I remember the weeks right after the election and how all you folks talked about was all the change and how Bush finally will have to deal with congress. You guys and gals just loved the fact that your Dems were coming to washington to end this horrible war. Now they’re in Washington and now have decided to support this war and extend the war.
When that crap happens to me, I get pissed and I certainly don’t defend or support them.
If you notice. I disagree with certain ideals you folks have but I am also not a repug supporter. I believe the Iraq war was wrong, Bush is a horrible President, and the 109th spent way to much money on the wrong things while not spending enough on Vet Healthcare or the Military (As TP has pointed out). For these reasons, I was actually excited to see what the Dems could do. Reading what you folks had to say, I expected the Dems to basically be corruption free and I expected them to come to Washington to fix the problems they pointed out.
Now they are in Washington. One of the very first bills Pelosi provides a handout to 2 corporate friends. Furthermore, they are not pushing for the Iraq war to end. Rather, they are encouraging the war to go on longer and longer by voting yes to the spending bill that actually increases money for the Iraq war. And finally, they are now bogging themselves down in hearings and investigations, which is fine if you are also working to pass bills to fix the problems your investigating but their not. They are simply holding hearings for political gain as they currently haven’t even talked about possible fixes and more needed money for our Military.
This is a replay of the rethugs 109th congress sadly.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:34 pm#113 sorry RR but they have not had trouble commenting on other cases in progress, ony this one, and that can only be attributed to the FACT that this case directly involves them, they have contradicted themselves repeatedly before the gag and they don’t want to be called on theri bullshit any more.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:46 pmBush will pardon him. One year tops. And if he does, let the impeachment hearings commence.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pmMark,
Cheney wanting to look at evidence unfiltered doesn’t mean he misrepresented it at all. His judgement may have been off as he isn’t a intel expert, but I see nothing wrong with wanting all the info. Furthermore, didn’t the CIA claim to fudge the intel. The Administration never said or did that. Now if you want to blame the CIA for misrepresenting the evidence against Iraq, Fine (still need some proof). In that situation, the CIA is as fault, which looks likely, but the Administration alone with Congress both got bad intel. That is only the CIA’s fault.
You are correct about the CIA and Plame though. If this plame leak by Libby got anyone killed, he should be facing much more jail time. Furthermore, it certainly hurt the CIA deeply. I don’t think his punishment is long enough but I don’t have a say in it.
Lastly, I didn’t misrepresent anything about Pelosi. She is in fact working other Dems to gain more support for a yes vote in the new Iraq Spending Bill Bush presented her with. If the Dems vote yes to extending this war when they had the simple chance to end it, they certainly lied to get elected. The only real question is do they now truly support the war or are they simply voting in a way that will garner them more seats and more power? Either way, it is completely unacceptable and I thought you folks would agree with me.
March 6th, 2007 at 2:54 pmRoger,
The head of the CIA at the time, ol whats his name, knew what the boy king wanted to hear, and didn’t want to hear. So he told him what he wanted to hear.
Everyone’s protecting the Prezident, and even taking the fall for him. That’s why they get medals for “heck of a job”.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:19 pm#117 So your saying the head of the CIA is the one who misrepresented the evidence to Bush and Congress? Again, I would need to see some proof but that at least makes sense.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:27 pmGreat article on Vanity Fair by Michael Wolff on why Libby lied.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIs Roger_Roger spending hours and hours writing long winded excuses for his masters again. And to think that yesterday he wanted people to believe that he had turned a new leaf and admitted that republicans have screwed up a lot of things.
Now, we get bcak to the real Bush cabal water carrier.
Way to flip flop Roger_Roger.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI thought you folks would agree with me.
Comment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
I agree the Democrats should de-fund the occupation of Iraq; the sooner, the better.
What I think is rather weak, is your suggestion that Democrats only want “more seats and more power” -as if that were a bad thing. Duh. They are a political party, that’s what they do. If they want their policies to be implemented, they will need “more seats and power”, obviously. Otherwise, they might as well retire and leave the political arena altogether.
What I completely disagree with, is your silly notion that the Democrats are not doing anything at all. American troops have been in Iraq for six years now, in an occupation that has proven disastrous for everyone involved but specially for the Iraqis -and all I read are your whines that the 100th Congress hasn’t done in two months what the 109th couldn’t (or wouldn’t) do in six long years. Puhleeze.
May I suggest you get a grip and hold accountable the people who got the US (and Iraq) in this mess in the first place. Send your long-winded rants to those in the position to hold them accountable; spare the rest of us the pain of having to sift through them.
March 6th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#121 LOL, you folks for some reason assume the repugs in the 109th viewed these “issues” as problems and tried for 6 years to solve them. They certainly didn’t try because I highly doubt they viewed them as issues that needed to be solved. THIS IS WHY THE DEMS ARE IN POWER. The repugs became out of touch and power hungary. We the people want our elected officials to vote the same way they talk. We want them to look out for us and our troops abroad. It is simply wrong to use dying soldiers as a tool to gain political power.
If you believe this war is wrong and its killing American troops, you damn well better vote no to extending this war through the Iraq War budget Bush gave them. If they vote yes simply for political power gain even though they think its wrong, they are then pure evil. They would be voting to extend a war that kills Americans simply because they are focused on power. This is the kind of stuff that you folks despised when the Repugs were in power and so did I. Now your crew is trying to pull it and I watch you defend that behavior all day. Enough with the party loyalty, maybe it is time to let them know that dead americans is not an issue to play politics with. Could you honestly look at a congressmen in the face that you fully know thinks the Iraq war is wrong and we should get out ASAP yet voted YES to extend the war?
March 6th, 2007 at 3:58 pm#119 RR Libby was not the leaker, he was, as the trial showed, merely a cog in the leaking machine. He was one among many who participated in a coordinated affair.
Sorry but you are dead wrong about the VP. He wanted to see the intel uunfiltered because that was the ONLY way to “fix the intelligence around the policy” Unfiltered also means unproven, unvetted and ultimately it has nothing to do with actual intelligence gathering or analysis and iit has everything to do with looking for anything, regardless of its veracity, to support a pre-concieved desire to go to war. If even half of the stories I’ve read in thhe legitimate press are true then Iraq was a foregone conclusion from day one of the administration. Thhat my friend is fixing intelligence, it is manipulating intelligence. And whhat exactly does the VP know abotu real intelligence analysis? Nothing, all he knew was the policy he wanted to push.
#121 no I think wahht he is saying is thhat George Tenant went along for the ride with Bush and co and did not make waves. Haeck he coudln’t stop Cheny, Cheny set up his own office to get the intelligence they needed. Example: Aluminum tubes. The intelligence presented to congress was that the tubes only use was aa centrifuge. Of course that was te conclusion of a low-level politcal appointee. The real scientists and intelligence analysis that these tubes were not suitable for uranium enrichment annd that their only use was for field artillery rockets was withheld from congress. Ditto for the buying urannium froom niger claim being de-bunked pretty early on. Nope they definatley fudged the intelligence and made up theiir own facts. Heck the VP even today sticks to his Iraq was devloping and had WMD and Iraq was involved in 911 because Atta met in prague, even though both of those were disproven very effectively long ago. Why fudge the facts? Because it is exactly what they wanted all along. If you do not belive it too bad, reality is what it is and fantasy is where this adminsitration aperates.
March 6th, 2007 at 4:05 pmNo we don’t. We think the republicans knew about these problems and covered them up for the other republicans that caused these problems.
Are you dumb or are you just stupid?
March 6th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThe repugs became out of touch and power hungary. We the people want our elected officials to vote the same way they talk. We want them to look out for us and our troops abroad. It is simply wrong to use dying soldiers as a tool to gain political power. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Yet that’s exactly what you re-pukes are doing, using dying soldiers for political purposes. That’s why you want to cut funding, so bush can leave them to starve and die without supplies and you can cry - Dems don’t support the troops, like some Nazi propagandist.
If you believe this war is wrong and its killing American troops, you damn well better vote no to extending this war through the Iraq War budget Bush gave them. If they vote yes simply for political power gain even though they think its wrong, they are then pure evil. Comment by Roger_Roger — March 6, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
You’re a fcuking id*ot. If they vote no, Bush will leave the troops to die, and not act responsibly - while blaming Dems for his failures. Sorry fcukhead, this is Bush’s problem to solve - and so far it’s 100% the failure of you st*pid fcukheads. You are pure evil - you sick fcuk!
March 6th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#126 Neither. Just pointing out that for you to suggest it took 6 years for the repugs to mess things up and not fix them is factually incorrect. Many of these problems were simple defunding problems which easily can be fixed by increasing funding.
Is your resistence simply the fact that you folks can’t stand increasing the militaries budget? Kinda have to this time as it was you folks that are pointing out the problems and needs they have.
How could you possibly identify vet health care needs and military readiness problems based on lack of equipment and resources and then turn around and not increase their funding?
Do the math, add it up:
1) Dems indentify that Vets and troops are lacking resources and find out it is because the rethugs defunded them.
2) To easily fix this problem, you simply INCREASE funding.
WOW, easy. Doing that gets you alot too. You get to go on national TV and point out the failures of the Rethugs and also show how your the hero and fixed it. It’s a win win
March 6th, 2007 at 4:21 pm#127 You can’t possibly believe that a sitting president would allow roughly 200,000 troops to starve in the desert because his funding got cut off. No sane person believes that. Bush hasn’t been a good president, but you cut the funding and he’ll bring the boys home. If he didn’t and let them starve, he would get the death penalty.
BTW, nice try at a defense for why your Dems are now supporting the war. Just admit it, they are going to vote yes for a political power grab. They care more about gaining seats then they do about the war.
March 6th, 2007 at 4:24 pm#129-R2,
Almost a valid point, but horrible logic. Let me enlighten you:
- You would not have believed that a sitting president would lie to a nation to engage in an invasion of another sovereign nation. But it happened.
- You would not have believed that a sitting president would call the Constitution of the United States of America just a “damned piece of paper”. But it happened.
- You would not have believed that a sitting president would play a banjo (I know it was a “geetar”) and stay on vacation while one of the nation’s largest cities was literally drowning. But it happened.
- You would not have believed that a sitting president would sit dumbfounded in front of school children for SEVEN MINUTES doing nothing but looking stupid upon being told that “Mr. President, the nation is under attack”. But it happened (and it’s on video).
- You would not have thought that a sitting president would allow for the wounded troops from his invasion of choice to be provided treatment that 3rd world nations would be embarrassed by, forced to live in squalor, and sleep in their own excrement. But it happened.
What this sitting president has proven is that there is no limit to the depths that he and his administration would sink to in order to advance their dubious agenda.
Your ignorance is chosen. Don’t get your knickers in a twist just because everyone else chooses not to be as ignorant as you.
March 6th, 2007 at 4:57 pm#130
1) I am still waiting for you Dem party loyalist to show me evidence that Bush himself intentianally lied so he could invade another coutntry. I simply see no proof whatsoever. I guess being the type that believe Repugs are always wrong and Dems are always right, your just assuming.
2) Please provide a link to the quote from Bush saying “damned piece of paper”
3) Bush was a loser for staying on vacation over Katrina
4) Bush isn’t bright but this doesn’t make him a bad person, just not a bright one.
5) I have been to many third world nations and I have seen their hospitals. I am sorry but your horribly wrong. If our hospitals had running water they would win. But you are correct that Bush defunded Vet healthcare and he should forever be ashamed of such an act. I hope Dems provide the funding the vets need ASAP.
So you have proven that this president has done a bad job and isn’t bright. that certainly doesn’t put him on a level that he would intentially kill 200,000 American’s just to fight with the Dems. You reason and logic is misguided and weak. Honestly, I understand it is hard to have to defend everything the Dems do even when they are in the process of making a HUGE mistake. At some point, even party loyalists need to back off and realize what is going on. Your party, the ones supposidly against this war, are preparing to pass a bill that will extend and support the war. This is an indefensable issue for anyone against the war. They are doing this for 1 simple reason. The calculated that they will gain more political power/seats by voting in favor of the war.
It is pure evil for people to allow a war they are against to continue killing Americans simply to gain a little extra politcal power. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
March 6th, 2007 at 5:22 pm#130
1. Please provide proof that Bush knowingly lied. Your just making this up out of thin air.
2. Please provide a link where Bush called the Constitution a “damned piece of paper”. If your referring to the illegal wire tapes, I agree that Bush was wrong.
3. Your correct. Bush should have left vacation early. Either way, I am not sure what he could have done at that very moment. Fema is in charge of that stuff. It was Bush’s fault for not hiring the right man and not funding it properly.
4. Bush is not bright. That doesn’t make him a bad person, just not a bright one. I am not sure those 7 minutes changed anything anyways.
5. I 100% agree and that is something he should forever feel ashamed of. Anyone who promotes or cuts military spending should be ashamed of themselves.
So, you have proven that Bush is not bright and wasn’t a good president which I agree with you on. This stuff doesn’t prove he would let 200,000 americans starve to death over a fight with the Dems however. Furthermore, we wouldn’t allow that to happen as a country and you know that.
Lastly, please just admit already that your party continues to support and extend the war simply for politcal gain. Rest assured, Pelosi isn’t concerned that Bush might leave 200,000 Americans to starve to death if she voted no to continued Iraq war money. This is simply a political party not caring about the issue, rather they are simply caring about themselves and the potential political gain.
It is sad when the repugs do this too. It is also the reason the repugs lost control of this country. Good luck going down that path.
March 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pm#131 R2,
I don’t belong to a political party, I’m an independent thinker which, unfortunately, is frowned upon in both of the current “traditional” parties but especially in the current “republican” party.
Beings that I have many conservative values, I can say for certain that it is a horrible mistake to throw good money after bad. Therefore, your statement that the Iraq atrocity must continue to be funded just “because†is antithesis to core conservative values and to common sense as a whole.
And to excuse Bush because of your claim that he is not “bright” is a cop out of extraordinary measure. 600,000 murdered Iraqis, 3,200 dead American Soldiers, 50,000 wounded American soldiers, and countless thousands wounded and terrorized Iraqis, deserve a much greater respect than that load of horse pucky. Not to mention the countless Americans who have died and suffered due to the neglect and incompetence that you applaud.
It is sad that you so devalue human life. I wonder how you would feel if it was your family who was murdered for a lie. The really sad thing is that folks such as you are willing to look past these “indiscretions†in order to be loyal to your party. Yet, you will be the first to whine and cry foul once the ax falls in your direction. And then you’ll try to blame someone else, of course. That is your modus operandi.
When that day comes, look in the mirror and see the co-conspirator to murder of your loved ones. Just like you, your ilk, and the administration keep saying “Who could have foreseen…?†The answer: The very people that you so cavalierly and baselessly call “traitors†and “unpatriotic†and “liberalsâ€. Yes, everything that you all say couldn’t have been foreseen has been predicted by those that you continue to disparage. Odd when you think about it.
The only thing that disgusts me is that we, the reasonable and intelligent and moral, will be the ones bailing your ass out when the time comes. It’s not that which disgusts me so much, but rather the knowledge that such wouldn’t happen if the shoe was on the other foot. Good ol’ republican values.
It will be tough to resist the temptation to let you suffer a little first, but we will resist. Remember that when the time comes.
March 6th, 2007 at 6:43 pmIn order to maximize the effect of the verdict against Libby, the Court should not allow Libby to be out of prison on bail pending an appeal. The Appeal will take over a year if not until the end of bush’s term at which time I expect he will pardon Libby. By putting Libby behind bars now the court will force bush’s hand to pardon Libby now with its consequential fall out; or better yet get Libby to talk about cheney, rove et al. It is within the court’s discretion whether to allow Libby out pending an appeal. If as everyone suspects, and I wouldexpect Jd. Walton would believes as well, Libby was doing cheney’s bidding. The Court should be interested in getting to the bottom of this entire affair.
March 6th, 2007 at 7:38 pmAccording to Shawn Insanity the Jury was flawed and judged politically.
March 6th, 2007 at 7:59 pm#72 One can not keep up with all the convictions in this administration. Good thing they are the party of family values. The link is the top 25.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/execcorruption/
March 6th, 2007 at 8:12 pmYawn.
We all knew this was going to happen a year ago. Now lib blogs, or libbys, as I call them, are messing themselves because they think this is a new revelation.
There’s no news like no news.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe sad fact is, the Cowardly Democrats will WIMP OUT yet again. The Rethuglicans understand that politics is about power and money, and they will gladly send even their own off to Siberia as long as ‘the team’ makes a forward move, as for example Al D’Amato going down to defeat in his re-election bid, but doing his fair share to champion investigations and the impeachment of Pres. Clinton.
Democrats, on the other hand, now wait for a “Mother May I?” before they do anything. WHY isn’t Bob Novak BEHIND BARS… why is he still free to rant his treasonous, undercover organization outing column from behind his Fox ‘news’ desk?
Well, the answer of course is that the Democrats ALLOW the media - Fox, the Washington Post, the major networks - to get away with it. Representative Waxman is doing his level best to hold the Bush-Cheney White House feet to the fire.. but WHERE are the damn Senate Democrats? Oh yeah.. hoping “Fitzmas” will just go away, and that Traitor Novak, Druggie Limbaugh, “moral values” Bill Bennett and Bill O’Reilly, and even “female child forced to have caged sex with wild bear to train her to be a good prostitute” author Lewis “Scooter” Libby get to keep spouting their nation-debilitating screed free of charge and free from any accountability to anyone….
Clearly, the Senate Democrats WILL let the wider Cheney-Rove-Libby conspiracy go UNNOTICED and UNMENTIONED, and just as clearly, not a single senator is anywhere near presidential material.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:16 pmMaybe they should send him to the Walter Reed to do his time rather than some country club fed prison. He looks like he’d fit right in with all the mold.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:25 pm[…] impede the investigation.” Count 1 on the jury’s verdict ruled that Libby had obstructed the investigation, preventing special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald from conclusively determining why he disclosed […]
March 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pmOh Boy! Another conservative with a criminal record I can listen to on the radio or watch on TV.
March 6th, 2007 at 9:20 pmThe Post needs to recheck the Federal Scentencing guidelines;
Two obstruction of justice = 2x base level 14 offense.
Two perjury = 2x base level 14 offense, potential for +3 on each for interference with the administration of justice.
2 level 14’s minimum 1 year each, no greater than 5 years, assume 3 years each.
two level 17’s minimum 5 years, maximum 10 years; likely to come near the upper end of the range.
between 18 and 26 years total sentence under Federal guidelines.
March 6th, 2007 at 9:31 pmWhat about Karl Rove? Didn’t Scotter’s trial implicitly implicate Rove in revealing Plame’s identification? Shouldn’t Rove be fired now, then tried and convicted? I couldn’t believe how many people knew about Valerie Plame - it was absolutely terrifing. Peace
March 6th, 2007 at 9:37 pm…that picture of libby “at the courthouse today”…
what a smarmy looking little man…
yea, deborah, NObody should know about valerie plame…
March 6th, 2007 at 10:08 pm…
It ain’t just Fox. Wolf Blitzer’s CNN’s Situation Room started its discusion of the verdict by asking whether the Democrats would overreach. WTF kind of question is that? A key White House figure is convicted of a felony, and the question is about whether the other party will overreact?
March 6th, 2007 at 11:00 pmI posted bout Sen. Fred Thompson’s second fundraiser for Libby on my fundraising gossip blog:
http://www.donttellthedonor.org
March 6th, 2007 at 11:03 pmFox news is as corrupt and one sided as newsbusters is!
March 6th, 2007 at 11:05 pmfox news is almost as bad as newsbusters.
Blonde threatens blackmail.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWho really care what Fox News espouses. Bush only has as much validity as Fox News has, and that is less than 30%, and dropping. I have more respect for John Daily, thirty minutes a night, than Fox News, 24-7. Their commentators are the living jokes of the entertainment world and tend to give Hollywood total legitimacy, while making the Republican Party look like total fools. As any comedy writer knows, making fun of oneself is the highest form of humor and intelligence. While bullying the weak and poor, and defending the rich and powerful is the lowest form of humanity. Guess where Bush and Cheney, and their pals at Fox News fit into the equation?
March 6th, 2007 at 11:18 pmThe grand marketing promotional plan for The GOP is hemoraging. Ann Coulter has gone over the edge as she desperately trys to remain on the attack, For the last eight weeks, Glen Beck has been doggedly attempting to make a career switch from conservative pundit to stand-up comic which will probablly result in returning to his addiction for comfort. The question is, what will Roger Ailes do after abandoning Fox News?
March 7th, 2007 at 12:21 amPresident Bush should pardon Libby and fire Patrick Fitzgerald. From the very beginning of the investigation, Fitzgerald knew that there had been no criminal violation since Plame wasn’t a covert agent.
Fitzgerald knew that Richard Armitage told Robert Novak about Mrs. Wilson, before Libby testified. Fitzgerald knew that before he questioned anyone before the grand jury. Fitzgerald knew everyone was innocent, before he started questioning them. This made the whole grand jury investigation into a politicized fishing expedition. Fitzgerald‘s actions from that point on were illegal. The perjury trap that he set up was illegal.
There should have been no referral, no special counsel, no indictments, and no trial. This trial was a politicized prosecution. Justice demands that Bush issue a pardon and fire Patrick Fitzgerald.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:36 amThanks, Mark (#149) for that articulate re-articulation of Lush Limpball’s sermon since day one. It’s so refreshing to learn that every once in awhile in America, the bullies do lose and appropriate referrals, special counsels, indictments, and trials do in fact occur!
OH HAPPY DAY!
March 7th, 2007 at 1:03 am(ref #150) And sometime bullies like Patrick Fitzgerald win. And when they do we all lose.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:18 amOne of the few things I remember from high school is that the constitution provides that the penalty for treason is death. Sadaam Hussein was tried and hanged for acts against his own people. The Bush administration is responisble for the deaths of thousands of Americans, tens of thousands of Iraqis, numerous constitutional violations, perjuries, racketeering, global security destabilization, deteriation of the global econ