Wilson: My Wife Wept When She Heard The Verdict
Wilson: My Wife Wept When She Heard The Verdict
Ambassador Joseph Wilson conducted his first post-verdict interview tonight with MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann.
Wilson described the reactions of he and his wife to the news, detailed how the CIA is currently holding up the publication of his wife’s book, and explained why the Bush administration should recuse itself from pardon proceedings and leave those decisions to a subsequent administration. Watch it:
Some key highlights:
On his reaction:
I take no satisfaction in this. I think that the idea of a senior White House official being convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury is something that ought to sadden everybody who believes in public service. … I think we can take some satisfaction that the Constitution has been defended by the prosecution, by the system of justice and by the jury of peers that decided Mr. Libby’s guilt today.
On his wife Valerie Plame’s reaction:
Well, I think she wept when she heard the news. I was actually at a restaurant in Washington D.C. and she called me up and she just said, “Four out of five, guilty,” and she was very relieved. I think she will sleep well tonight knowing again that this part of this ordeal is behind us. But I would just say that whatever the last four or five years have been like for us, it has been mere inconvenience compared to what this administration has done to our service people and their families, in the prosecution of a war that was justified on misinformation and lies.
On the CIA holding up Plame’s book:
The CIA is taking a look at it and they have no particular objections to the contents. They are trying to claim that she did not work for them before 2002, or cannot acknowledge she worked for them before 2002, which is sort of an Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass. We may have to litigate that. This is not the USSR. This is America and she has a right to tell her story.
On the possibility of President Bush pardoning Libby:
I think there’s a lot of ethical questions involved. After all, Mr. Libby was an assistant to the president, and so I think there is an implicit — an explicit conflict of interest in the president exercising his pardon authority on behalf of someone who worked for him. I think it would be appropriate for the president and indeed the entire administration to recuse itself, allow the wheels of justice to turn as they must, and if there is going to be a pardon discussed it should be by a subsequent administration.
Full transcript:
OLBERMANN: It has been 5 years this month since your trip to Niger. Is there any sense of personal vindication after all you have been through, after today’s conviction of Scooter Libby?
WILSON: Well, I think Valerie and I will both sleep easier tonight knowing that at least one part of this is behind us. I take no satisfaction in this. I think that the idea of a senior White House official being convicted of obstruction of justice and perjury is something that ought to sadden everybody who believes in public service. The responsibility of a public servant to uphold and defend the Constitution is besmirched when they are convicted of crimes like this. On the other hand, of course, I think it reconfirms that this is, in fact, a nation of laws and that no man is above the law, and I think we can take some satisfaction that the Constitution has been defended by the prosecution, by the system of justice and by the jury of peers that decided Mr. Libby’s guilt today.
OLBERMANN: Your wife clearly has believed in public service all this time. Share with me what you can of Valerie’s reaction today.
WILSON: Well, I think she wept when she heard the news. I was actually at a restaurant in Washington D.C. and she called me up and she just said, “Four out of five, guilty,” and she was very relieved. I think she will sleep well tonight knowing again that this part of this ordeal is behind us. But I would just say that whatever the last four or five years have been like for us, it has been mere inconvenience compared to what this administration has done to our service people and their families, in the prosecution of a war that was justified on misinformation and lies, and was undertaken not for the national security of the United States, but to prove an academic theory which wasn’t a very good academic theory at that.
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WILSON: Well, I can’t really talk about what Valerie was doing. In fact, we are hopeful that she will be able to get her book out. The CIA is taking a look at it and they have no particular objections to the contents. They are trying to claim that she did not work for them before 2002, or cannot acknowledge she worked for them before 2002, which is sort of an Alice in Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass. We may have to litigate that. This is not the USSR. This is America and she has a right to tell her story, particularly when everybody and their uncle has already tried to tell it on her behalf. So we’re going to litigate that. But neither I nor she would ever talk about what specifically she was doing, a lot of which I don’t know frankly.
OLBERMANN: I guess the ultimate Alice in Wonderland quality to this entire event would be if the end result of Mr. Libby’s conviction were not a sentence or a fine or it being overturned in court, but if he were pardoned by President Bush. Are you anticipating that as a possibility? Have you steeled yourself for that? Do you have a reaction to the prospect even of it?
WILSON: Well, the president obviously has the absolute right under the Constitution to pardon. But I think there’s a lot of ethical questions involved. After all, Mr. Libby was an assistant to the president, and so I think there is an implicit — an explicit conflict of interest in the president exercising his pardon authority on behalf of someone who worked for him. I think it would be appropriate for the president and indeed the entire administration to recuse itself, allow the wheels of justice to turn as they must, and if there is going to be a pardon discussed it should be by a subsequent administration. And there should be an appeal process as is normal. And Mr. Libby knows a lot about this because he was instrumental in fighting for the pardon of Marc Rich, one of the most notorious fugitive of justice in the 1980’s, for whom Libby was an attorney.
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Joe Wilson is more of an American patriot than the entire Bush cabal combined.
Too bad he isn’t Representing We The People…
March 6th, 2007 at 10:10 pmBravo to Wilson and his wife has been vindicated by Libby being found guilty. He will probably get a light sentence and pardoned as Bush leaves office most likely. Karl Rove and VP Cheney must be indicted too.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:14 pmJoe Wilson is a great man.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:15 pmJustice will flow as the dam has been comprimised, the trickle has begun.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:22 pmwow… some perfect commentary…
i was just talking to my daughter… told her how i was catching up, reading these stories about the libby verdict…
i told her that it was great news, for the law, for justice, the country, but that i felt a little bad feeling good about it…
because libby’s lies were a part of such an ugly thing that has and is happening… all the death… all the saddness those lies have created…
a bitter victory…
“The results are actually sad. It’s sad that we had a situation where a high-level official — a person who worked in the office of the Vice President — obstructed justice and lied under oath. We wish that had not happened.†- Patrick Fitzgerald
March 6th, 2007 at 10:24 pm.
[...] in Bush Administration, GOP, Government at 7:35 pm by LeisureGuy From ThinkProgress, which has the video. The third point is especially important, I think: On his reaction: I take no [...]
March 6th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThe man carries himself like a gentleman. How refreshing after watching the administration behave like a gang of street hoods for six years.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:28 pmwow… i posted a comment earlier, when the BARNES thread was the latest up… at around 9:30… wonder why it never made it to print…
to repeat, here, edited:
this is a good news day… and i missed it!
i spent all day with my mom and 2 winger sisters, visiting my aunt…
the only time that politics came up, and then gingerly, was a mostly positive exchange about a certain black presidential candidate, which then lead to the mention of the female presidential candidate and a short rant by my ditto head sister about the last president and all the pardons of crooks and felons…
i could just shake my head, but managed “they’ve got nothing on this gang now” in order to maintain a peaceful visit…
oh! how i wish i had known about this libby verdict at that time…
March 6th, 2007 at 10:48 pm…
Valerie’s gonna get the first good night of sleep in years.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:53 pmYeah Katy you gotta get some sort of mobile-talking-point-update device when with winger family members.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:54 pmWhat jumps out at me is the perspective that Mr. Wilson has on the signifigance of the event. While he and his wife have been hurt badly by what the Administration did to them, it is nothing as compared to what it has done to our Country and the great men and women who have had to fight in this missbegotten war that Bush and Co. got us into.
March 6th, 2007 at 10:57 pmI submit that Joe Wilson is a great man with more courage than all of the people in the Administration. Certainly more than Bush and 5 deferment Cheney.
katy,
I feel your pain. It’s from biting your tongue….
March 6th, 2007 at 11:06 pmWilson is a lying traitor.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWilson, the son of a pair of idiosyncratic foreign correspondents, was born in Bridgeport, CT, but raised mainly in California and France. With an irreverent and self-deprecating sense of humor, Wilson maintains he graduated in 1972 from the University of California – Santa Barbara with a degree in “history, volleyball and surfing.” In 1976 he entered the Foreign Service.
Putting his fluency in French to use, the State Department immediately put him to work in the African country of Niger – where French is the offical language. Says Wilson of that initial posting to Niamey, Niger, “It was the lowest possible job in the embassy in the most remote part of the world.”
Over the next dozen years Wilson made the long climb up the career diplomatic ladder. In 1988 he found himself as the Chargé d’Affaires – the #2 man – in Baghdad. In 1990, while the ambassador, April Glaspie, was out of the country, Wilson found himself in charge of the embassy. And while he was interim ambassador Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.
“The good news is we’ve been training for this all of our careers. The bad news is: Oh, shit, we’re in charge — what do we do now?” — Joe Wilson on his thoughts of being in charge of the American embassy in Iraq leading up to the Gulf War.
After Saddam invaded Kuwait hundreds of Americans and foreign nationals took refuge in the American embassy. To these potential hostages Wilson became a hero. At one point Saddam ordered the embassy to turn over all non-diplomats they were sheltering. Hussein threatened execution for diplomats that did not comply. Calling Hussein’s bluff, Wilson held a press conference with a hangman’s noose around his neck; telling reporters that if Hussein wanted to hang him, he’d bring his own rope.
Back in Washington, President George H. W. Bush was becoming impressed with Wilson’s abilities. As his aides and advisors presented plans and courses of action regarding the embassy standoff, the President seemed to always ask the same question: “What does Joe Wilson say?” The President would later call Wilson a “truly inspiring” diplomat who exhibited “courageous leadership.”
From http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1497427
March 6th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWeep no more, my fine lady Val
March 6th, 2007 at 11:18 pmJoe Wilson the Hero is your pal!
He BITCH-SLAPPED the Bushies
And DROP-KICKED their TUSHIES!
Isn’t that WONDERFUL, noble gal!
Wilson is a lying traitor.
Comment by goldwater — March 6, 2007 @ 11:17 pm
Yet, with a republican controlled justice department, it is Libby that’s now a ‘convicted’ liar. Are you sure that’s not koolaid, instead of gold-water you’re drinking?
You right wingnuts add a new dimension to st*pid.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:19 pmTerrytheTurtle, Thanks for that! I’ll have to check out the link for that story but I do remember that part of it when he was our man in Baghdad. And he was THE MAN!
March 6th, 2007 at 11:21 pmJoe Wilson acted the way True Americans are supposed to. He reported the truth knowing that it was important to the country and would be harmful to his own career. I don’t think he could have anticipated the lengths Cheney would go to the spiteful bastard. And it must be painful knowing that his work harmed his wife and her affiliates.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:23 pmAnd yet Repukes won’t accept responsiblity for this sad event either. Hopefully when we get a new president he will give Mr. Wilson a medal of honor.
Wow, what a well spoken, intelligent man. It is a sad day that hearing words spoken in an articulate and intelligent manner and being heard through the MSM is an exception instead of the norm. I seriously can’t remember when I have heard such lucidity and I was struck for a moment to wonder at it and had to comment.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:26 pmTerry,
I’ve heard that noose story before, it’s a great one.
It’s so lovely to see George H.W. Bush jumping to Wilson’s defense now.
Oops….
March 6th, 2007 at 11:28 pmYet, with a republican controlled justice department, it is Libby that’s now a ‘convicted’ liar
You have a good point: Clearly if this had been under Clinton, Fitzgerald would have been found in Lafayette Park with a bullet in his ear.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:28 pmWilson is a good example of integrity. That article from TerrytheTurtle is amazing.
I don’t think that anyone in the current administration would ever risk their lives to protect innocent people. All we hear is “I’m a war President!” (with a stupid smirk on his face.)
So Congress, is it time for more investigations? (hint! hint!)
March 6th, 2007 at 11:30 pmAnd then there’s this:
“I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.” George W. Bush
March 6th, 2007 at 11:32 pmAnd then there’s this:
“I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.” George H. W. Bush
Whoops… Although Chimpy did promise to sack the people involved… when ya going to sack the Organ Grinder and Your Brain, Chimpy? Not a man of your word, you spineless shite.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:34 pmOlbermann picked a fine time to cancel his vacation. But hey, who wouldn’t want to miss a chance to see Olbermann and Wilson kick Chimpy’s ass?
March 6th, 2007 at 11:41 pmWow, what a well spoken, intelligent man. It is a sad day that hearing words spoken in an articulate and intelligent manner and being heard through the MSM is an exception instead of the norm.
— Bluedahlia
Yeah, in contrast:
“That makes sense to me, don’t it?â€
~ George W. Bush, 2006-06-06 at the tail end of his speech about moving the National Guard to the Mexican border.
=D
March 6th, 2007 at 11:47 pmThere’s a light at the end of the tunnel and Joe Wilson is holding it to show us the way.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:47 pmYou have a good point: Clearly if this had been under Clinton, Fitzgerald would have been found in Lafayette Park with a bullet in his ear.
You are one of those tin foil hat wearing weirdos that believe Vince Foster was murdered…right? Get help.
March 6th, 2007 at 11:52 pmMr. Wilson seems to be under the delusion that this verdict somehow vindicates him. Unfortunately for him, a bipartisan Senate committee report has already determined he is a liar:
Wilson’s assertions — both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information — were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson’s assertions and even the government’s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush’s January 2003 State of the Union address.
Plame’s Input Is Cited on Niger Mission – Report Disputes Wilson’s Claims on Trip, Wife’s Role
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004;
Comment by Exley — March 6, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
March 6th, 2007 at 11:55 pmComment by Exley — March 6, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Mr. Wilson seems to be under the delusion that this verdict somehow vindicates him. Unfortunately for him, a bipartisan Senate committee report has already determined he is a liar: Comment by Exley — March 6, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Just because you posted something from a staff writer, doesn’t make it so. The verdict is about ‘justice’, for the government doing a hack partisan attack – a favorite of fools like you.
You’re fcuking idiot Ex-Lie!
March 6th, 2007 at 11:59 pmWhile he and his wife have been hurt badly by what the Administration did to them, it is nothing as compared to what it has done to our Country and the great men and women who have had to fight in this missbegotten war that Bush and Co. got us into.
I submit that Joe Wilson is a great man with more courage than all of the people in the Administration. Certainly more than Bush and 5 deferment Cheney.
I have four divergent reactions to all of this
1- The CIA is one of the worst things that ever happened to this country, it’s the cause of countless illegal operations in other countries, undermining governments, creating havoc, for the personal gain of the elite ruling class of this country
SO I have no problem with outing a CIA agent if it helps to undermine the CIA and its illegal and destructive effect on the world
2 – I am appreciative of Mr. Wilson’s honest reporting of the lies waged by Bush and company regarding the lead up to the war
3- I’m glad Libby has been convicted of lying
4- I think Fitzgerald could have and should have gone further in his indictments. He should have indicted the President and Vice-President of the US. I think he took a pass
March 7th, 2007 at 12:01 amare you guys retarded? libby wasnt convicted for being the friggin leaker. he was convicted for the same thinf Slick Willy did.
LIYING UNDER OATH.
stupid. valerie and joe are dc losers. kerry supporters. LOL
March 7th, 2007 at 12:04 amyou people didnt get enuf of algore’s koolaid, so you’re back at the cultists trough.
have four divergent reactions to all of this
1- The CIA is one of the worst things that ever happened to this country, it’s the cause of countless illegal operations in other countries, undermining governments, creating havoc, for the personal gain of the elite ruling class of this country
SO I have no problem with outing a CIA agent if it helps to undermine the CIA and its illegal and destructive effect on the world
2 – I am appreciative of Mr. Wilson’s honest reporting of the lies waged by Bush and company regarding the lead up to the war
3- I’m glad Libby has been convicted of lying
4- I think Fitzgerald could have and should have gone further in his indictments. He should have indicted the President and Vice-President of the US. I think he took a pass
March 7th, 2007 at 12:06 amAfter almost three years on the case? the guy knew all along libby wasnt the leaker. * ignoring that plame was never anything to leak.
living in denial.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:10 amAfter almost three years on the case? the guy knew all along libby wasnt the leaker. * ignoring that plame was never anything to leak.
In your own words, Libby was indicted and convicted of LYING NOT LEAKING. So should the VP and President been indicted for LYING NOT LEAKING. The president lied on many occasions about this and the war. He lied when he said he would fire anyone involved in the leak. He lied when he said no one knew about the leaks.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:12 amJoe Wilson has a great reputation?
http://slate.msn.com//id/2103795/
March 7th, 2007 at 12:14 am#32
THe President is a liar. He lied about the war, he lied about the leak, he lied about firing those involved in the leak, he lied about Abu Graib torture, he lied to Congress about the war, perhaps the MOST egregious and illegal of the lies. Lying to Congress is grounds for impeachment.
Fitzgerald did not go far enough. He took a pass.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:15 amare you guys retarded? libby wasnt convicted for being the friggin leaker. he was convicted for the same thinf Slick Willy did.
LIYING UNDER OATH.
stupid. valerie and joe are dc losers. kerry supporters. LOL
you people didnt get enuf of algore’s koolaid, so you’re back at the cultists trough.
Ballbuster, you retarded little moron. He was convicted of obstructing an investigation. Do you know what that means? The jury wanted Karl Rove and Dick Cheney blood because they knew they were traitors…just like you.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:15 am#33 You just linked to a drunk. Thanks for your input but Hitchens hasn’t been credible since he started in on the vodka. Not that he was ever a reporter.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:17 amBy the way, ballbuster, who liys under oath?
March 7th, 2007 at 12:18 amHow much do you think Libby has been paid to take the fall. Probably billions of our money.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:18 am#33
Hitchens is the disgraced ex-communist turned alchoholic right-wing sychophant sucker upper.
Can’t believe anything he says.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:21 amWe are all wearing the blue dress now.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:25 amThe jury wanted Karl Rove and Dick Cheney blood because they knew they were traitors…
Comment by JPark
I watched the jury foreman’s speech.
I got the impression of anger and contempt that the “big fish” got away.
They convicted Scooter on 4 Felony counts. Scooter Libby is from this day foreward, a Convicted Felon.
Now someone in Congress needs to order the court record be sent to congress. That is the record showing that Cheney ordered the outing of Plame.
Impeach Darth Cheney
March 7th, 2007 at 12:27 am#39
He has been well rewarded and he doesn’t even have to slit his wrist for this. He will be pardoned and will go off to spend his windfall on some island in the Bahamas. Or maybe Tahiti. Who knows. He is off scott free. Shame on us all.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:27 amIf Cheney leaves office under the cover of a blood clot in the leg. THen Bush is exposed to impeachment. Impeaching Bush would then lead to Pelosi taking over the Presidency. Not that I’m in love with Pelosi who represents the rich Democrats, however, Pelosi is better than BushCo.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:28 am#41 I disagree. Clinton never screwed us like Bush has. We are all wearing Jeff Gannon’s assless chaps.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:28 amCheney has an ever growing blood clot in his leg. Don’t be surprised if it forces him to spend more time with his family real soon.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:29 am#41 From what they said they were really not happy that they were convicting the fall guy. They would have loved to try the real criminals.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:29 amAll of this distracts from the most pressing issue – withdrawing the troops from Iraq and stopping the madness there
March 7th, 2007 at 12:32 amAll of this distracts from the most pressing issue – withdrawing the troops from Iraq and stopping the madness there
Comment by ChildrenofLir
That is not going to happen while Bush and Cheny are still in office.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:37 amThink about it.
We need congress to do their Constitutional obligation and impeach these criminals.
#48 It isn’t going to happen. There are 3 Dems with the balls to do it. The others are nothing but jelly.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:38 amSorry but Bill Clinton was never convicted of perjury…they didn’t have a case and they knew it…now I’ll concede that Clinton sure did pull a fast one but he never lied under oath..The question posed, for you Clinton haters, was ” Did you eve have sexual relationship with ML?” He responded by asking “to define sexual relationship?” Prosecutor said ” Have sexual intercoarse” he responded truthfully “No” Slick Willie? you betcha..but purjerer..nope sorry.Now Scooter is a convicted perjurer, a feloney fall guy for Dick Cheney,et al.. We can only hope that he has to spend some time in the big house, and he doesn’t run out the clock past the 2008 elections…Bush will pardon him, which he has every right to do..he just wont do it until after the elections…
March 7th, 2007 at 12:42 am#48
We need Congress to perform the mandate handed to it by the people in the last election. That is = withdraw the troops and stop the war.
THe fact that the Dems are not doing that is due to the degree to which they’ve been bought by the lobbyists like AIPAC and other neo-con money tanks.
The lack of action by the Dems is as shameful as the lies by the President
March 7th, 2007 at 12:46 amtry and keep up with current events, will ya?
and read this. it’ll be the best thing you could do for yourself.
http://www.doctor-horsefeathers.com/archives/000296.php#000296
see what your pals said YEARS before bush ever considered running for president?
March 7th, 2007 at 12:50 amyou are welcome.
Ballbuster
March 7th, 2007 at 12:52 amgo f’ck yourself
The lack of action by the Dems is as shameful as the lies by the President
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Do you see hearings being held in the news?
March 7th, 2007 at 12:54 amThe Democrats have already started investigating.
First congressional supeanas were issued by them, first ones in almost 6 years.
They are acting.
Joe Wilson has a great reputation?
http://slate.msn.com//id/2103795/
Comment by michael — March 7, 2007 @ 12:14 am
You post a link to that psychotic drunk Hitchens as a source for a ‘reputation’? BAHAHAHAA, michael, showing the world why ‘intellectual-conservative’ is an oxymoron!!!
BAHAHAHAHA – toidi!!!
March 7th, 2007 at 12:56 amsee what your pals said YEARS before bush ever considered running for president?
you are welcome.
Comment by ballbuster — March 7, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Welcome? For showing the world what a fcuking idiot you are? Sorry, but it’s tiresome when you’re an idiot every day.
You’re welcome for me pointing out you’re a fcuking idiot – ok?
March 7th, 2007 at 12:58 amAs far as Congress with a mandate to end the war…they don’t have it…yet!!! no way politically can congress cut off funding, yet..the people aren’t there yet…nothing would make the GOP happier than a congress cutting off funding..First what makes anyone think that Bush wouldn’t fund it another way and take it to the SCOTUS and try it up for a year.Second..get by a filibuster…I don’t think so….third..it would be used as political hay against the Dems..so although I’d admit it’s kinda chickensh*t , there’s no way the Dems can,could or even should defund the war..Just listen to the right wingers plead for the Dems to try it…The only people would would win a defunding effort is the GOP, not the troops, not the Dems, not the American people…so why would anyone want to do it…
March 7th, 2007 at 12:58 amWayne
Acting? Yes exactly. They are acting, like actors in a play, miming behaviors meant to look like they’re doing something. But the troops are not being withdrawn. The war goes on. Today 9 more soldiers died and over 100 civilians died in a blast. Meanwhile we dropped a one-ton bomb on a farm house in Afghanistan and managed to slaughter a handful of children. What the f’ck do you call that. Acting. That’s what this is Acting.
It’s disgusting.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:59 amTHere is a way the Democrats can. And they would have to force a constitutional crisis. Who controls the purse strings. THE CONGRESS. The Dems don’t have the guts to do what they have been told to do by the people. STOP THE WAR. THat’s what they’ve been told to do and they are not do it. Oh yes, there are all kinds of excuses. But the fact is the Congress has the authority to cut off the spending. And that’s what they must do. Must do it to save lives.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:01 amMust do it to save lives.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
You think Bush cares enough about the troops to pull themout if the funds are cuts?
March 7th, 2007 at 1:06 amYegads. Look at Walter Reed, look at the whole VA system.
Bush would keep them there making slingshots to fight with before he pulls them out.
Impeachment is the only remedy I see at this point.
Comment by ballbuster — March 7, 2007 @ 12:50 am
buster, you got anything that isn’t from an ultra-conservative writer…like maybe an impartial site that doesn’t cherry-pick quotes and present them out of context?
The trolls have been out in full force for this one, trying to apply standard Republican tactics of Deflect, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:09 amThere would probably have to be a constitutional crisis, where the COngress revokes war powers from the President and cuts of the spending. THen the PResident would be forced to either ignore the will of the COngress or acquiesce. If he ignores the Congress, the constitutional crisis would begin. It would be similar to the hours after the court ruled that Nixon had to turn over the tapes he’d refused to turn over. There were a few hours when no one in the government knew whether Nixon would comply. If he didn’t, no one knew exactly what the next move would be. WOuld he be arrested, would he resist arrest, would there be a standoff. SOmething like that would probably occur with BUsh. But ultimately the people – the Congress must prevail. If not, the republic is sunk.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:10 amI agree with you CofLir that Congress should do it..but I don’t think there are the votes yet to overide a fillibuster, than Bush could easily try it up in court, not sure an appelate court would rule in their favor and if they didn’t pretty damn sure the SCOTUS wouldn’t hear it..and even if the SCOTUS would, Bush can easily run out the clock…Yes I agree that many innocent people will die, but unfortunately that’s the landscape,,I don’t like it anymore than you do, and it’s not an arguement of excuses, but one of political reality.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:11 amAt some point, we the people must stop enabling the dictatorial behavior of the PResident. TO do that, we must cause an intervention. Congress is the vehicle for the intervention. Congress must revoke the war powers they gave to the President, and then Congress must cut off funding. If the President refuses, he must then be removed from office. If he refuses, he must be arrested, and the military must support the Congress in this action.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:14 amThe Congress must be made to realize if they don’t do what they’re told, the people will act.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:15 amJoe Wilson is a great man.
Comment by Zooey
Are u chanting this in the lotus position.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:26 amHeh.
Joe Wilson has balls. A man with guts and conviction. Can’t say that about many people in Washington, or in the US for that matter.
Stood up for his country and his wife against the VP and the President.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:30 amAnother reason for the conservative mindless to rant. See more here…
http://www.hatehannity.com
March 7th, 2007 at 1:30 amScooter Libby should get the same punishment Slick Willy got when he lied under oath and obstructed justice. Better yet, how about Libby get the same punishment as Sandy “Pants” Burger when he stole and destroyed secret documents. Oh yeah, I almost forgot… Slick Willy and Sandy Pants are nutty libs – different set of rules. Never mind.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:32 amAre u chanting this in the lotus position.
Heh.
Comment by Flaco
Are you mumbling this while bathing in Koolaide?
March 7th, 2007 at 1:36 amAre u chanting this in the lotus position.
Heh.
Comment by Flaco — March 7, 2007 @ 1:26 am
Yes, and when I wiggle my foot, can you feel it your bowels – dum bass?
March 7th, 2007 at 1:36 amOh yeah, I almost forgot… Slick Willy and Sandy Pants are nutty libs – different set of rules. Never mind. Comment by Stubain — March 7, 2007 @ 1:32 am
So now you say that a Jury is different under a republican president? You nutty right wing fcukheads are the st*pidest people on the planet. You destroy national security, and think it’s the same as an affair? Fcuking fools.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:37 amTo put it simply, Joe Wilson is the only man in this entire sordid affair that has spoken the truth. A real American of integrity, conducting himself with dignity. Anyone not able to admit this is delusional….
Bush, liar
March 7th, 2007 at 1:39 amCheney, liar
Rove, liar
Rumsfeld, liar
Rice, liar
Snow, liar
Libby, CONVICTED liar
ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus a true moonbat species.
If u need help
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I 800 IAM MOONBAT
Mr. Evil, your list is incomplete without Scott “grandslam breakfast” McClellan.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:44 amThat’s rich, hahahaha! Coming from Flaco the Whacko! Why don’t you go back to where you came from, your mommy’s basement and dream of following in Mark Foley’s footsteps. Maybe this number will work for you, 1-900-PEDOBOY.
March 7th, 2007 at 1:50 amDamn, buzzbomb, I knew I left somebody out! Thanx.
McClellan, liar (extraordinaire)
March 7th, 2007 at 1:51 amIf u need help
Call this 24hrs hotline
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Comment by Flaco — March 7, 2007 @ 1:41 am
Where did you find that number – when you called 1800DUMBASS and spoke to your momma? You’re a fcuking idiot.
March 7th, 2007 at 2:01 amSo now you say that a Jury is different under a republican president? You nutty right wing fcukheads are the st*pidest people on the planet. You destroy national security, and think it’s the same as an affair? Fcuking fools.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Boy oh boy, someone has issues. Dude, for real, get a grip. Destroy national security? I suppose that is why there have been no attacks inside the US since 911. Good point. Some warm milk and a nap will keep you from being eat up with all kinds of the crazies.
March 7th, 2007 at 2:15 amBoy oh boy, someone has issues. Dude, for real, get a grip. Destroy national security? I suppose that is why there have been no attacks inside the US since 911. Good point. Some warm milk and a nap will keep you from being eat up with all kinds of the crazies.
Comment by Stubain — March 7, 2007 @ 2:15 am
Boy oh boy, someone is an idiot. Dude, for real, get a grip. You fcukheads complain that Iran Nukes are the big security threat in the middle east and the world – and guess what Plame was working on?
As for the no attacks inside the US, there was 8 years between the first WTC and Bush. According to your dum bass logic, Clinton protected american for 7 years, and Bush fcuked things up.
A prescription to anti-anxiety medication will keep you from being a fcuking a**hole – give a try, will you skippy?
March 7th, 2007 at 2:21 amGod Bless PATRIOTS like Joe and Valerie Wilson.
Fkvc FAGGOTS like Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK…
Hey, just a “schoolyard taunt”, right Man Coulter???
God Bless America and the WORLD!
March 7th, 2007 at 2:27 amA prescription to anti-anxiety medication will keep you from being a fcuking a**hole – give a try, will you skippy?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — March 7, 2007 @ 2:21 am
Wow. You take me all the way back to third grade with your (non) logic and using other people’s material as your own… Sigh… Those were the days. Time for you to go night night little one – grown ups are talking.
March 7th, 2007 at 3:22 amThank you Mr. & Mrs. Wilson. How I wish more of us could display such courage.
March 7th, 2007 at 3:23 amhttp://www.actressesworld.org
March 7th, 2007 at 4:06 amHe says “him”. There is no doubt. The vowel usage between “him” & “whom” is quite distinct.
March 7th, 2007 at 4:08 amAn Impeachment resolution has just passed the New Mexico Senate Judiciary Committee.
New Mexico is going to vote SOON on whether or not to impeach George Bush for his crimes. That they have made it to the point of having this vote is a victory of sorts but they need more support. Action is required and it is simple enough to do in defense of our Country. The people who need to be convinced to act are conveniently listed with their contact information here.
Do your duty.
http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=455
Spread the word.
March 7th, 2007 at 8:42 amI guess reading the Constitution has never dawned on these handful of New Mexican moonbats.
March 7th, 2007 at 9:40 amWhile it’s good to read Mr. Wilson’s comments, it doesn’t compare with actually watching him & hearing him say the words. He’s very impressive. And he has his priorities straight.
March 7th, 2007 at 9:47 amHe is a liar and a fool. He testified before a Senate Committee and then wrote the exact opposite in an op-ed. His wife sent him to Niger knowing full well he would drink tea and screw around. The guy is a clown.
March 7th, 2007 at 9:54 amValerie Plame’s job had been managerial in nature (translation: Val was a desk jockey) – she was not serving in an espionage capacity. Joe Wilson, FORMER ambassador, is sent to Niger on the recommendation of his wife. Joe implies two different versions of the origins of the “mission”.
1.) “The CIA sent me.” (No Joe, your wife at the CIA sent you.)
2.) “The Vice-President sent me.” (You wish!)
When journalists asked about scenario number 2, a rumour started by Joe himself, they were told the guy’s wife was behind the “mission”.
Yep, I can see what all the fuss is about. Now if Scooter lied under oath – he got what he deserves. BUT, if the EXACT wording is not remembered….then conspiracy minded progressives got what they wanted – payback.
Who do you think is going to play Val and Joe in the movie version?
March 7th, 2007 at 9:58 amI fully agree with Wilson that Bush should not pardon Libby. Hell, I don’t believe a president should pardon anyone unless there is super strong evidence that they are in fact inicent. Can presidents pardon a death row inmate but still have them serve life in prison instead? I always wondered if that is possible. I am very much against the Death penalty but have never focused on the issue as neither side seems to take much interest in removing that horrible act. Can a president use his power to transfer a death sentence to life in prison?
March 7th, 2007 at 10:00 amJoe and Valerie Wilson are ALL-AMERICAN PATRIOTS!!
Bush is a FAGGOT and a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK who has committed MANY acts of TREASON, from outing a CIA spy to starting an illegal war.
Patrick1 worships the TREASONOUS faggot Bush the TRAITOR coxucker PUNK.
WHY does Patrick1 LOVE TREASONOUS scum like Bush?
And WHY does Patrick1 HATE America??
March 7th, 2007 at 10:04 amWow, the right wing nutjob theorists are out in force today with their discredited talking points.
I’d be sad too if 2/3 of the population didn’t believe as I do.
March 7th, 2007 at 10:08 am#90
The CIA said COVERT.
Fitzgerald said that Libby THREW SAND IN THE EYES OF THE FBI INVESTIGATORS,
who were investigating a CRIME of NATIONAL SECURITY.
FAGGOT Bush and his cronies are TRAITORS to the USA and WAR CRIMINALS.
Schoolyard taunts are protected by Ann Coulter, wingnuts, so I KNOW you don’t mind the TRUTH about your TRAITOR of a “president”.
God Bless America and the WORLD!
March 7th, 2007 at 10:08 am#92 – You and Ann Coulter seem to have a lot in common! Pssst….that’s not a compliment.)
March 7th, 2007 at 10:08 amWow, now they’re attacking one another…
March 7th, 2007 at 10:12 amOK — so Scooter got caught in a lie about not leaking the identity of a non-covert CIA agent.
Are all you progressives happy now that we have wasted millions of dollars on this stupid investigation?
Think of all the gun we could have bought or illegal immigrants we could have deported with that money!!!
March 7th, 2007 at 10:12 amI believe a President can pardon anyone of a federal crime or possible federal crime. Murder is a state crime in most cases. For example Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican terrorists and a Chi-Com bagman. Both convicted of federal crimes.
Bush should pardon Libby because this was little more than a DC show trial for the moonbats put on by a federal prosecutor who failed our nation in the time prior to 9/11.
March 7th, 2007 at 10:14 amThinkprogress has already dealt with the Wilson talking points:
http://thinkprogress.org/leak-rebuttal
I can only conclude that so many odious individuals have gathered to comment armed with their tqalking point faxes that this one really hurt…
Begone vermin…
March 7th, 2007 at 10:29 am#101 That is sad. This pardon talk got me to thinking about a president possibly turning all death sentences into life in prison sentences. If that was possible, the issue would hold much more weight. Why doesn’t the death penalty get much talk anymore? Doesn’t America care about that issue? The EU has even attemted to fine USA exports until we ban that cruel practice. I know the repugs have the bloodlust, but I thought the Dems were against the Death Penalty as am I. I actually wrote my Thesis titled “The Immorality of the Death Sentence in America”. It is a very large issue to me.
March 7th, 2007 at 10:41 amThink progress has rebutted with a bunch of lies. The facts are really not in doubt. Plame sent Wilson to Niger knowing his job was to not find anything. Plame was part of the CIA group of holdovers from the Clinton years who believed that terrorism could be managed, 9/11 showed them to be wrong. Fitzgeralds prosecution had nothing to do with Plame because there was no underlying crime. It is not against the law to talk to a reporter about a bureaucrat.
March 7th, 2007 at 10:50 amPatrick1braincell – you are drooling….
March 7th, 2007 at 10:59 am[...] And here. [...]
March 7th, 2007 at 11:00 amThis whole investigation is such a non-event
Eerily reminiscent of the Monica affair — someone nalied for lying about a non-crime
Yawn….
Thanks for perpetuating partisan waste progressives!
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March 7th, 2007 at 11:50 am#106; no, no; the difference here is that an investigation was being performed to determine if a crime was committed, this person lied in an attempt to…. to…. to what? to cover someone’s ass, about a non crime?
i think the real core of the story is the amount of deceit and intimidation going on and that went on in the bush admin. over the justifications for the invasion of iraq; are you standing by that as a non crime, ho hum, yawn, as well Cynicon?
March 7th, 2007 at 1:53 pmYou know, I think it would be a good thing for Pres. Bush to pardon Libby.
This would PROVE to the American Public beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Republican party will NOT take responsibility for ANY of their actions AT ALL!
This would be perfect for any opponent of a Republican: Do you want to vot for someone that “says” they’re for accountability but then REFUSES to hold ANYONE accountable?!?!?
It would also be great for history: what was Pres. Bush legacy (beyond the liews for war and the war for oil)? He refused to hold his administration accountable for their treasonous behavior.
March 7th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDem Sold – I answered your q. re: my military service on the other thread.
Would you now be so kind as to enumerate the vast number of Democrats with such high moral standards? Hillary Clinton? Ted Kennedy? Joe Biden? Barney Frank? Trust me, I KNOW Repubs I wouldn’t leave my kids with, but you might want to take off your RoseLaw Firm coloured glasses off – you sound like a hack.
March 7th, 2007 at 5:47 pm“#33 You just linked to a drunk. Thanks for your input but Hitchens hasn’t been credible since he started in on the vodka. Not that he was ever a reporter.
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